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Zorn: Suisham's 'situation had been building'

Former Redskins place kicker Shaun Suisham connected on 18 of 21 (85.7 percent) field-goal attempts this season, but Suisham missed twice (from 39 and 50 yards) in the 7-6 loss to the Dallas Cowboys and failed to convert a 23-yard chip shot in the 33-30 overtime loss to the New Orleans Saints. The bottom line is that kickers are paid to perform in the clutch, and the Redskins could no longer depend on Suisham, Coach Jim Zorn said today.

"That's a large part of it," Zorn said. "Those particular situations and especially the last one. That's hard. I suspect he'll be on a team this week because he was 18 for 21. But that combination ... hurt us in a real critical way."

The situation had been building, Zorn said. "As we've gone along there have been little frustrations along the way in those [clutch] situations."

But it still was difficult to release Suisham.

"Shaun has been the kicker here since I've been here," Zorn said. "To have a guy do so well in a lot of situations, it kind of takes you back a little bit [to release him]. It's always difficult to cut a guy. This particular change is probably going to help him a little bit as much as we hope it helps us that we have somebody fresh in here."

By Jason Reid  |  December 9, 2009; 6:57 PM ET
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Comments

Panties.

With a TW logo.

He gives them out as replacements.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

We're still talking about this?

Posted by: edvar | December 9, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

JR still sad to see his little FG missing quote machine get the axe. Suishy was his mole.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ross_tucker/12/09/practice.squad/index.html

Posted by: skinswest | December 9, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice article. Hopefully those fans that want to cut Rhino will read this. Many OL players need a few years to develop. A little patience is needed.

Also tells me that if there is a 1st rd OL that can start in his rookie year you have to take him as we do not have years to develop a tackle. Take another OL to start in '11 and continue this process over the next few years.

Thanks again for the link.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

it just seems like when your rollin' your kickers rollin' and when you aint your kicker aint.

Blaming a kicker is the weakest excuse in the book.

If he was 21 for 21 we'd be 4-7 and in last place

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm full into

Anyone by the cowboys mode

And

Anything buy a QB mode

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

If he was 21 for 21 we'd be 4-7 and in last place

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 7:14 PM


Actually, we'd be 5-7 and still within shouting distance of the playoffs.

I've said this before referencing what feels like the never ending Mason vs. Betts/Cartwright debate, but it applies with the kicker too: I'm all for cutting a guy if you're replacing him with a guy who's better. If Gano came in and out-kicked Suisham, he should be the kicker. If this was a knee-jerk reaction to him missing a 23-yarder, then it's a dumb move. Personally, I think it was a good move because he's missed some very makeable clutch kicks over the last 3 years and this is a trend for him, not an isolated incident. Based on his college career and his UFL stint this year, he seems to have what Suisham doesn't: a stomach for the big kick in a pressure situation.

Here's hoping that's true...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 9, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I just think that the mgmt's focus on kicker/punter magnifies the lack of focus on O line, etc.

novak makes a clutch kick against Dallas...cut

Frost makes clutch tackles and fakes on the '07 playoff run...cut

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

There is no gurantee that the Redskins would have won the Cowboy and Saints games if Suisham had made the FGs. There was still plenty of time for the Cowboys to try and make two scores if the Skins had been up by 12 and it took the Saints all of 33 seconds to score the tying TD. I would not have bet against them being able to score again the way the defense was playing at the end of the game. Suisham should have made both of the shorter kicks and would have made a win more likely but by no means a sure thing.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 9, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Snyder may be an idiot but he does listen to the fans outrage....remember when he planned to bring in Fassel and the fans were livid and let it be known?

Posted by: Lisa_R

Yeah, about that one. Can we get a do-over? 'Cause the voice of the fan was loud there, but not wise.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"If this was a knee-jerk reaction to him missing a 23-yarder, then it's a dumb move."

Suisham always looked like a deer in headlights to me.

Let's turn that around...what games did Shuisham win for the Redskins???

Exactly.

Things can't get any worse around here unless Snyder doesn't fire Ceratto and they draft a QB with that first pick.

Oops! Sorry. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 9, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Any1 remember former Redskin and accurate kicker: David Akers.

I wonder how his career turned out?

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, about that one. Can we get a do-over? 'Cause the voice of the fan was loud there, but not wise.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2009 7:37 PM |

What, you think Fassel as HC and Zornkus as OC would have been any better? Z wearing 2 hats instead of 3 is still pefectly capable of doing bad real good.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 9, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Off the top of my head Suisham won the Rams game (9-7)and TB (16-13, 3 FGs). I don't recall last year. His first year under Gibbs he won the opener against Miami with an OT kick and the Jets game with a late FG. Not sure about other games. I also question the idea that he can't make clutch kicks. Were the two he made against Dallas and the 3 against the Saints not clutch kicks? BTW the three he missed all occured when the Redskins had the lead, so they didn't exactly lose the games although they certainly didn't help.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 9, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pabrian,

Hav you seen this article yet?

Don't worry I'm not trying to start anything, but I know your stance and was a bit shocked not to see a comment from you. Same with Alan4 and DCwun

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 9, 2009 7:54 PM

Not to mention the OL and Blatche's let the other team score enough to win scheme.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pabrian,

Hav you seen this article yet?

Don't worry I'm not trying to start anything, but I know your stance and was a bit shocked not to see a comment from you. Same with Alan4 and DCwun

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 7:58 PM |

You know sometimes a dead horse has more lives than live cat.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 9, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the players really like Jim Xorn and the fact that we are still playing hard is a reflection of that.

[*Shocker*]

[I vote to keep Xorn and Campbell one more year and give many Soup Slurpers and Campbell a chance to prove me wrong! Maybe a better O-line or being in the same system is the way to go]

Anything to get those mainstream/thrive-on-negative-coverage-of-the-team fans will hush for a sec.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

SS is gone get over it, his KO's sucked anyway, maybe now we will actually get some touchbacks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

You have to make sure he's dead first Al!

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

JR still sad to see his little FG missing quote machine get the axe. Suishy was his mole.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 7:11 PM |

Probably one more reason why he was cut.

Posted by: League-Source | December 9, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

SS is gone get over it, his KO's sucked anyway, maybe now we will actually get some touchbacks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2009 8:05 PM |

Give him credit though, when he shanked 'em they were shanked high. Makes sense. Shank 'em high then hang 'im high.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 9, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse


Give him credit though, when he shanked 'em they were shanked high.

Posted by: ElevatorAl


Only an opposing fan would give credit to a missed FG.

Your snark-mode is not as good as say TheCork or T_E, But it's very aggresive.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44,

How is it going for you posting during the day?

lemme guess. You find yourself constantly repeating or defending your comments?

I've found that Aspirin and Coffee don't mix.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Hav you seen this article yet?

Don't worry I'm not trying to start anything, but I know your stance and was a bit shocked not to see a comment from you. Same with Alan4 and DCwun

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html

Posted by: Vicc

Yes you are trying to start something but I'll refrain from taking the bait.

I can't disagree with much of it. As Berg said, the blame should be shared and JC has to be better in those situations.

Posted by: dcwun | December 9, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes you are trying to start something but I'll refrain from taking the bait.

Posted by: dcwun


I stand corrected.

I thought the article was posted 2day. My bad. I don't mean to bring up old material.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Where's rickyroge when you need 'im?

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

dcwun,

Do you agree that if we keep Campbell, we should keep Xorn?

I mean, otherwise he will have to learn a new system and we know how that has worked?

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:23 PM

I really should find something better to do with my time. In the meantime I've learned 3 things.

1. I've learned you can't argue with an idiot because they will wear you down and beat you with experience
2. Opinions are like elbows, everyone has one.
3. There are apparently 4 players beyond reproach- 17, 26, 92, and most recently Suishy


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

either we keep campbell AND zorn or get rid of both.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 9, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Any QB w/ almost 50 starts that wins 35%, should not start. Unless you love watching DC lose or love watching a loser continue to lose in spite of the greater good of the team winning. The wants of the team are greater than the wants of the individual. No more excuse and lose; more step up and win.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 9, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I really should find something better to do with my time. In the meantime I've learned 3 things.

1. I've learned you can't argue with an idiot because they will wear you down and beat you with experience
2. Opinions are like elbows, everyone has one.
3. There are apparently 4 players beyond reproach- 17, 26, 92, and most recently Suishy


Posted by: Diesel44


`
LOL

1. I remember that one. Clever.

2. Unfortunately this applies to both of us.

3. I'm actually a huge CP26 fan. I'll defend him b/c he's been great for us. The others I have yet to see.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

either we keep campbell AND zorn or get rid of both.

Posted by: BMACattack


Thank You. It makes sense.

Every1 calling for Zorns head should realize that Change is what Synder is about. Since Synder ain't goin no where.

The only Change I wanna see in Synder is consistency.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Give him credit though, when he shanked 'em they were shanked high. Makes sense. Shank 'em high then hang 'im high.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 9, 2009 8:14 PM |

The high shank remark is acutally an astute observation that unfortunately you misinterpreted somewhat. He put way too much leg into those chip shots and as a result he lost control and they were shanked high. It was almost like he was trying to win the game and compensate for all those limp dick KOs in one fell swoop. Trying too hard in what obviously is a stressful situation. It is comparable to a golfer's shot out of a sand trap coming out hot. You know, like what Tiger seems prone to do. The STC, who happens unfortunately to go by the name Danny (on this team that is a sure jinx), should have corrected this problem after it happened the first time. So in a sense if Sweezy is going to walk the plank then Danny should also. Then, if that happened, our buddy JR would be able to banner one of his posts with the title "Danny forced out" and all the RI hamsters would nod their little heads in approval. Hah!

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 9, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

The high shank remark is acutally an astute observation that unfortunately you misinterpreted somewhat. He put way too much leg into those chip shots and as a result he lost control and they were shanked high. It was almost like he was trying to win the game and compensate for all those limp dick KOs in one fell swoop. Trying too hard in what obviously is a stressful situation. It is comparable to a golfer's shot out of a sand trap coming out hot. You know, like what Tiger seems prone to do. The STC, who happens unfortunately to go by the name Danny (on this team that is a sure jinx), should have corrected this problem after it happened the first time. So in a sense if Sweezy is going to walk the plank then Danny should also. Then, if that happened, our buddy JR would be able to banner one of his posts with the title "Danny forced out" and all the RI hamsters would nod their little heads in approval. Hah!

Posted by: ElevatorAl


`
wELl done Al.

You show some personality after all. What's your drink of choice?

I thought you were one of those d0uchebag posters like mack1. I was wrong again. DAm that's twice 2day.

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 8:53 PM

I was a huge fan, didn't like the trade to get him but with Champ leaving we had to get something for him. The 2nd rd pick we threw in was criminal. That's always the disclaimer I use with CP26.

Having said that (Larry David), I'm not convinced he has anything left and with his salary of 7.2 mil next year, I would cut him and move on if it's an uncapped year.

He has been more than fairly compensated and I will look forward to him coming back in a few years when he is inducted into the ring of honor.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Its that circle jerk love that keeps Cerrato around. I heard Danny Boy is really excited after Cerrato showed him how to bukake him. My only question is, when Cerrato and Snyder are going at it with some hardcore dirty Sanchez action, who gets the moustache? Danny or Vinnie. I would assume Danny probably draws it right on Vinnie's face with his thumb and gives him a little goatie. Danny needs to get all R. Kelly on Vinnie and give him some golden shower juice all over his face. I would settle for Danny going Chris Brown and smacking his little boy Vinnie down.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 9, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Any QB w/ almost 50 starts that wins 35%, should not start. Unless you love watching DC lose or love watching a loser continue to lose in spite of the greater good of the team winning. The wants of the team are greater than the wants of the individual. No more excuse and lose; more step up and win.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 9, 2009 8:51 PM

There have been outstanding and HOF QBs with winning percentages like that. Archie Manning and our own Sonny J come to mind. Football is still at TEAM game, above all.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 9, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I was a huge fan, didn't like the trade to get him but with Champ leaving we had to get something for him. The 2nd rd pick we threw in was criminal. That's always the disclaimer I use with CP26.

Having said that (Larry David), I'm not convinced he has anything left and with his salary of 7.2 mil next year, I would cut him and move on if it's an uncapped year.

He has been more than fairly compensated and I will look forward to him coming back in a few years when he is inducted into the ring of honor.


Posted by: Diesel44


`
Well Done. And tasteful. Unlike some here who trash him unfairly. Those inconsistent fools!

I disagree about him being done, but either way I too look forward to him being inducted into our Ring of Honor. There will be a lot of fans there that day to cheer him, ...and our win for that day; Hopefully against Dallas. F Dallas!

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

ElBigChroizooooooooooooooo,

tell us a joke

~

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

JReid, this must be painful for you.

Gano last year was perfect inside 50 and 5-7 at 50+. hope he can bring that kind of production to DC. I'd bash Suisham now but it's becoming poor form. Hope it works out for all.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 9, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

AdamCr,

You look familiar..

Have you poste..uh huh..I mean read this article?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html

Posted by: Vicc | December 9, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

AdamCr,

You look familiar..

Have you poste..uh huh..I mean read this article?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html

Posted by: Vicc | December


I read it. I think Campbell will be clutch and we should stick with him by the stats don't lie thus far. If he can keep playing like he has in recent weeks, we will win plenty of games.

The whole clutch thing is overdone anyway. Everyone isn't clutch until they are. Look at the manning bros. They were both the most unclutch until they had their defining drives, now no one questions them.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 9, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Any QB w/ almost 50 starts that wins 35%, should not start. Unless you love watching DC lose or love watching a loser continue to lose in spite of the greater good of the team winning. The wants of the team are greater than the wants of the individual. No more excuse and lose; more step up and win.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 9, 2009 8:51 PM

There have been outstanding and HOF QBs with winning percentages like that. Archie Manning and our own Sonny J come to mind. Football is still at TEAM game, above all.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 9, 2009 9:13 PM

No more excuse and lose; more step up and win. They could both read a D and throw the ball on time; that is the difference. Please don't compare HOF'ers w/ a loser.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 9, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

The whole clutch thing is overdone anyway. Everyone isn't clutch until they are. Look at the manning bros. They were both the most unclutch until they had their defining drives, now no one questions them.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 9, 2009 9:34 PM

Disagree on Eli. He is nowhere near as clutch as his brother. Like other QBs before him, the jints D won that SB for him. He made a brilliant play but IMO is more like JC than PM.

The difference between Eli and JC is the continuity that Eli has had. With a little more stability JC would have a better record than Eli.

For the right QB, I would jettison JC, but the QB is not Eli.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 9, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you 100%, skins930. I think Eli is way overrated but some say different. Peyton was widely considered the biggest choker though. Not anymore. Hope Jason is a redskin when he crosses the rubicon. All the doubters will scurry off into the shadows like they did with Vince.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 9, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Canning the kicker was silly, altho SS has nothing to complain about. He's below average on kick-offs and in the clutch.

The problem is, as always, the F.O. If Snyder finally finds the balls to hire a decent GM, the new guy's decisions may surprise us. Drafting an OL is a no-brainer -- the shocker may be keeping Zorn and JC. Strange thing is, it might work out.

Posted by: chris_zz | December 9, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and not wanting to get into the ole comparing JC to Peyton or anyone else, but something has to be said for having the continuity that some of these QB have had.

I have issues w/JC, but to have the same staff around you your whole NFL career has to make your job somewhat easier.

And as much I would like to see Zorn walk, if he can relinquish all of his play calling duties I would be OK with him staying as it seems that the players have his back.

These next four games will be telling for many players and maybe even Zorn.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 9, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Vicc drinks out of a jar and has no teeth.

Posted by: mack1 | December 9, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Based on this analysis, the skins will be in the market for 4-5 OLmen this offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | December 9, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 9, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

vicc, i just read it, you missed my post about my feelings about steinbog

he sux balls, what does he know of the game of football?

like I say about every player, unless you have someone better to put in his place you go with what you got.

if you think one of these rooks can come in and do better, good 4 you.

the team has improved since Levi and sherm 2 got here. I don't think Campbell will suddenly turn into a superstar, but we have bigger problems.

steinbog brings up vince young who was benched for over a season, almost committed suicide and now he's an example of a winner.

half of my points are that these writers don't know s hit about s hit, i'm sticking with that

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

In order to have continuity you need to have the right people picking the people you intend to have patience and establish continuity with.

That's not the case here and continuity for continuity's sake is garbage.

Zorn was a bad hire and needs to be shown the door. Zorn has been an absolute failure at everything except the "team not quitting".

Enough of this nonsense of "do you really want to blow this up."

YES, 3-9 is all you need to know.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

There have been outstanding and HOF QBs with winning percentages like that. Archie Manning and our own Sonny J come to mind. Football is still at TEAM game, above all.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 9, 2009 9:13 PM

No more excuse and lose; more step up and win. They could both read a D and throw the ball on time; that is the difference. Please don't compare HOF'ers w/ a loser.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 9, 2009 9:38 PM

Your posts are contradictory. Is winning the most important stat for a QB, or is it reading and shredding top defenses? Do you prefer Sonny, or do you prefer Trent Dilfer? Personally, I think there's a middle ground. Oh, and JC will be a winner with a better supporting cast... just like Dilfer and Rypien.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 9, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

a completion is one of the most difficult things to accompolish in all of team sports, because it requires 2 people to work as one unit.

neither WR or QB can learn the subtleties of each other or the play without tons of repitition, if you change the plays every year, and change the WR's, it prevents the timing and subtle details from gelling.

Is it JC's fault? is it? so, vinny's right then? really? Vinny's right.

look at cutler-chez's rating, proof is in the pudding

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

look at cutler-chez's rating, proof is in the pudding

Ah, that's where it is. I have some downstairs, I'll take a look.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

anyone hear GRuden commenting about aaron rodgers, holding the ball too long, and standing strong in the pocket, to a fault?

rodgers had years to develop and a solid receiving corp.

you can't judge a QB simply by stats or w/l record, but if your going to judge a player you should have something solid to back it up.

campbell's improved every season with hardly any weapons or continuity, he's stating fairly well under major pressure from defenses, fans, mgmt.

it should turn your stomach to know that Vinny and Danny are looking at QB's, blame the player or the coach, that's their m.o. when does Vinny get held accountable?

look at grilliams D, turnovers that's what we wanted and we had it and we squandered it so Danny and Vinny could play fantasy jersey salesman

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Nope, took a look, I think the proof's actually in the liquor.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:44 PM

You throw up so many stats but the stat that you need to digest is W's & L's.

If it was all about a completion % then 65.9% would translate to better than 3-9.

JC is on the list of things wrong with this team but he's not in the top 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

deez, if a guy can stat well on this crappy team that means something to me.

sonny's w/l record, archie manning?

w's are the most importnat thing, but we got bigger issues than QB, you just said it yourself?

you need to digest, a rookie's w/l record, they are all the same.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

YES, 3-9 is all you need to know.


Posted by: Diesel44

take that marvin lewis and the bengals

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

when does Vinny get held accountable?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:51 PM

Why would Dan hold Vinny accountable for doing what Dan tells him? Vinny is still here because he does what Dan says. duh!

Posted by: Skins930 | December 9, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

campbell's improved every season

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:51 PM

Well yeah, when you start with crummy numbers, it is not hard to improve incrementally every year.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 9, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks up these frickin' polls? How the hell does anyone, least of all GANO, know how he's going to perform on clutch kicks? He hasn't booted his first ball in a live game for the REDSKINS at this point.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 9, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 11:03 PM

Dude, I want to resign JC. Let's just call him average and while we're at it call him better than any FA or potential draft pick disaster.

He's proven nothing and when the team loses, he's not beyond reproach.

I'm 30, maybe I'm old and I look at 7, 11, and the real 17 as winners and couldn't care less about a QB with a losers record's stats.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Why would Dan hold Vinny accountable for doing what Dan tells him? Vinny is still here because he does what Dan says. duh!

Posted by: Skins930 | December 9, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The bag-man, get it?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 9, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

RE: GANO

Let's see some frickin' KO's consistantly to the end-zone instead of the fifteen.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 9, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

YES, 3-9 is all you need to know.

Posted by: Diesel44

take that marvin lewis and the bengals

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 11:07 PM

So is Carson Palmer coming here next year, are we going to have a NFL caliber OL, and are we going to have a RB go over 1200 yds.

If so then I'll prescribe to your nonsense.

C'mon Man, Zorn is not the right guy

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, if GANO pans out, we've got our first move toward improvement for 2010. Now for a LT, RT, FS, CB, OLB and some o-line depth. We can do this. Lets go REDSKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 9, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, you keep harping on JC's record with your bizarro logic. As someone else mentioned, Sonny Jurgensen had a losing record--he had a career 69-73-7 record. Is he a loser, too? You and Dan Snyder would get along well because both of you have the mind of a simpleton.

Posted by: bendan2000 | December 9, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, you keep harping on JC's record with your bizarro logic. As someone else mentioned, Sonny Jurgensen had a losing record--he had a career 69-73-7 record. Is he a loser, too? You and Dan Snyder would get along well because both of you have the mind of a simpleton.

Posted by: bendan2000 | December 9, 2009 11:35 PM

I won't call you a name. I will ask you to listen...

JC has a losing record, this is a fact. I'm not comparing him to HOF'ers, you are.

I'm saying they should resign him because he is better than any FA or potential draft pick when there are more pressing needs.

Does that make sense? If not then I will be force to call the name you unfairly called me.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Graham Gano is a quality prospect. I have covered his career here in FL since high school and he is first rate. He is a great competitor and will do well in the NFL. I really feel sorry for him that he he has ended up with such a SORRY organization as the Redskins. having grown up in DC and watching their recent demise is somewhat demoralizing. Maybe Graham can help them out a bit. But really .. do you think you'll ever succeed with a jerk like Snyder ...and neophytes like Zorn? ... I live near NOLA now and life is good...Oh and thanks for Gregg Williams.... go Saints!!

Posted by: gmccracken1 | December 10, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh, so now Diesel44 is calling Campbell a Hall of Famer?!?!

What a simpleton!!!

Duh!!!

What is with your manlove for JC17?

Hall of Famer? Jason Campbell? You're crazy as a loon, Diesel44.

That's all I got to say.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 10, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 10, 2009 12:12 AM

So the guy with the handle te Thinker_ can't read.

This is what I wrote..............

JC has a losing record, this is a fact. I'm not comparing him to HOF'ers, you are.

I'm saying they should resign him because he is better than any FA or potential draft pick when there are more pressing needs.

posted by: Diesel44 | December 9, 2009 11:43 PM |

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not beyond reproach, but if you're going to come at me, come hard, come strong, and know wtf you're talking about. Don't misquote me and admit when you're wrong and I will do the same.

Yours truly

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

SkinsinSichuan

As zeke said on a previous thread, a handful of us are indeed heading to the game in Oakland. There will be tailgating. Also, maybe a drinky-poo in SF Saturday night.

Drop me a line at nateinthepdx at gmail so we can connect down there. It's ON.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 10, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps for the front office Jason Campbell -- warts and all -- now represents what Mr. Rumsfeld would have referred to as "known knowns" and "known unknowns," whereas any potential free agent or draftee represents "unknown unknowns."

Such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 10, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

you cannot succeed if you do not know how it is to fail. jeez, haven't you guys ever watched the mighty ducks?

Posted by: BMACattack | December 10, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bendan2000 | December 9, 2009 11:35
Posted by: Thinker_ | December 10, 2009 12:12 AM

I guess you've both passed out. I hope you have sweet dreams and when you awake your cognitive function has restored.

Next time you bother to take time out of your busy schedule to read what I've written please read it thoroughly. We all share opinions, I’m just tired of being misquoted. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

There is no gurantee that the Redskins would have won the Cowboy and Saints games if Suisham had made the FGs...

Posted by: lifelongfan

Yeah well, according to Hugh Everett’s Many Worlds Interpretation, The Redskins not only won those games but also all their other losses. Everett ‘s relative-state formulation of quantum mechanics is an attempt to solve the quantum measurement problem by dropping the collapse dynamics from the standard von Neumann-Dirac formulation of quantum mechanics, but then you probably already knew that.

Posted by: TheCork | December 10, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Just read the Ross Tucker piece and while he has good points, I don't think its a blueprint that will work that often.

There are plenty of good OL from lower rounds of the draft and even undrafted guys. But its a lot easier to get 1 or 2 longshots to pan out than 4 or 5. Get 3 or 4 OL guys with talent and determination (via draft, FA) and it becomes much easier to find a longshot for the other spot on the line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Its so tough to read Zorn's comments on Suisham since its the pot calling the kettle black.

Jim Zorn has choked in clutch situations this year more than Suisham. A lot more than Suisham. Zorn's coaching error gave the Saints an extra 45 seconds to drive the field. Zorn could have run the clock down to around 1:10 to go before Brees would have seen the ball -- if he'd been just a little more on top of things. And that change might have made a difference in the outcome.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2009 3:28 AM | Report abuse

when does Vinny get held accountable?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 10:51 PM

Why would Dan hold Vinny accountable for doing what Dan tells him? Vinny is still here because he does what Dan says. duh!

Posted by: Skins930 | December 9, 2009 11:07 PM


This is true.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 10, 2009 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: League-Source | December 10, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey - if Gano can just come in and give us a chance outside of 50 yds, make chip shots and boom it on kickoffs then we are better off this way regardless of his accuracy or converting %

Posted by: scottmando | December 10, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

folks look sometimes you have to change the holder, all of the kicks that the kicker missed will not be his fault, all iam saying is that the transition wasn't smoot from snapper, to the kicker and why is it that throughout, this time the skins haven't found a new snapper, to replace the one they have and it, was the snapper that cost the team, the win which eventually cost him his job.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | December 10, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

It's ironic that figurehead coach Zorn is speaking out on the need to cut Suisham. He's 4 games away from the same fate. Maybe Suisham and Zorn can confer on real estate agents and moving companies....

Posted by: randysbailin | December 10, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Fock suisham

Posted by: jiza32 | December 10, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Saints fan and am quite happy of the results of the game, but.... Agreed the kicker missed the kick, but didn't your coach pretty much say they were lining up for the game winning field goal? Why the hell did the running back not run between the hashes and set up the kick instead of having the kicker kick from the far right hash mark? Sounds like it was a coaching error, whomever is calling the plays for you guys.

Posted by: Voodude | December 10, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

What kind of a question is that? Will Graham Gano perform better in the clutch than Shaun Suisham? Hell we haven't seen him do anything yet so how on earth could anyone answer that question.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 10, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What everyone fails to realize is that when he missed that chip shot, WE WERE STILL WINNING..... our defense gave up 70 yrds in 6 plays and our inept Safety got exposed for the 2nd time in the game! Should he have made that kick... damn right but he did not lose it for us. He is the scapegoat and nothing else! What if Kareem more did not get punked on his Interception return... would we still be talking then ?? I mean, come on people, look at it for what it is worth. Blame the coach for not going for the TD, on the 13 yrd line with 2 minutes to play. Play to win the game!

Posted by: rvanags | December 10, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"If he was 21 for 21 we'd be 4-7 and in last place

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 9, 2009 7:14 PM"

Ummm, no. That'd be 5-7 [Cowboys would have been a win, Saints would have been a win], and the team would be still alive for a WC spot...

I know, I know...math is hard...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 10, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Is winning the most important stat for a QB, or is it reading and shredding top defenses?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 9, 2009 10:42 PM"

I'd take either. Campbell provides NEITHER. Which, while only one letter different, is worlds apart in meaning.

BTW, re; "shredding top defenses"

Was the 7-9 loss to Dallas "shredding top defenses"?

I'd say not...

How about 24-27 loss to the Iggles, with 1 starting CB, and 1 healthy S, with Assante Samuel playing/gimping along dinged most of the game...still OWNING Campbell for TWO picks

not so much...

How many of New Orleans' starting DBs were active, much less played Sunday in the 30-33 overtime loss?

Yeah...hmmm...1...

If Campbell dominated (or for that matter was even good consistantly) against GOOD or even HEALTHY secondaries, I'd see supporting his cause.

Campbell hasn't been "good" or even really stable, under any system he's played in here at the pro level. Even when the competition SHOULD be at a disadvantage if he has "skills".

EVEN if he just won ugly consistantly, I'd STILL have his back, but he doesn't even have THAT going for him.

And why can't he shred junk defenses, or good defenses in dissarray?

STL, DET, Carolina-so injured it wasn't funny, KC...all teams Jason made BAD choices against that helped cost him credibility and the team wins.

JC wasn't the ONLY offender in these games, but his play surely magnified any other mistake's effect on the games.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 10, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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