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Falcons coach fined $15,000, reports say (updated)

Atlanta Falcons Coach Mike Smith has been fined $15,000 for his role in the sideline fracas Sunday involving the Redskins, according to multiple reports.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports, citing a league source, that the amount of the fine is double that given to Albert Haynesworth. LaRon Landry was fined $5,000, according to Schefter. Landry said Wednesday that he had simply forwarded the envelope to his agent without checking the amount and that he plans to appeal; Haynesworth said Wednesday that he would pay the fine. "It's all right," Haynesworth said. "We make money here, so I can pay it."

Schefter reported that DeAngelo Hall was not fined and that Falcons director of athletic performance Jeff Fish was fined $2,500.

The incident occurred after Landry's late hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan. Hall, who formerly played for the Falcons, found himself on the Atlanta sidelines, caught alone amid the shouting and shoving until Haynesworth entered the fracas.

"That's my teammate. I'm not going to let my teammate get jumped or beat up or anything like that," Haynesworth said Wednesday. He cracked a smile and continued: "I mean, Mike Smith did have him pinned up over there. I can't let the old man beat up my cornerback, so I had to go over there and save him."

The next generation

In a down season at the University of Virginia, Jared Green, son of Darrell, is making a name for himself, Zach Berman writes.

By Jason Reid  |  November 12, 2009; 11:38 AM ET
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JR, I posted on the last link that PFT reported per Schefter LL was fined $5000.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Damn, is the discussion of the JT trade over already? There was so much more to say about it.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I hope that the Mayor is “allowed” to bring this (the Taylor trade) up again in April when there isn’t a 6th rounder to use…..bunch of crybabies.
Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 12, 2009 12:20 PM

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 12, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

See, you go on the radio and call yourself 'disheartened' by your teammates, and they get to reply: "I can't let the old man beat up my cornerback, so I had to go over there and save him."

At least Albert didn't say that Deangelo tackles like a sissy.

But he could have.

Posted by: daggar | November 12, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

So I guess Haynesworth was worried that D'Angela couldn't tackle Mike Smith...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

IF Big Albert could only play on the offensive side of the ball and protect Campbell

Posted by: ccwbambam | November 12, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

In a down season at the University of Virginia, Jared Green, son of Darrell, is making a name for himself, Zach Berman writes.

By Jason Reid | November 12, 2009; 11:38 AM ET

Huh? Making a name for himself? It looks like the name he's making is "son of Darrell Green."

He will have made a name for himself when Darrell Green is known as "father of Jared."

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

repost*


Your observation is why drafting based on need rather than BPA (best player availiable) makes sense.

The skins a tackle, and should take one.

But Vinny drafts what he thinks is the BPA.

And who knows who that could be in a year like this?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse
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I've brought this up before, but I don't think you can ignore the 'best available' option in the 1st round, maybe 2nd as well.

The reason being that you have to get value for your draft spot. Now, if you don't think that your spot aligns with needs, than you can try to trade down, but for the most part you want to get the most bang for your buck.

Now later in the draft, I think best available is a fools errand simply because it is impossible to compare talent that deep. So the best you can do is honestly evaluate what you need and look for a solution.

The problem with all this is that it simply doesn't matter what strategy you use if you don't scout well. Because either you aren't getting the best available or you aren't getting the need filled. And in our case we see evidence of both.

Last years draft was a wonderful example. We picked up 3 guys who seemingly graded well AND were needs. We see how well that has gone. Perhaps they will end up being productive somewhere along the line, but at this point is seems our evaluation was off the mark.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember cringing through most of Jared’s introduction of Darrel at the HOF ceremony…..seemed like he was more concerned about coming off like a “playa” and impressing his VA teammates than he was with honoring his dad.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 12, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember cringing through most of Jared’s introduction of Darrel at the HOF ceremony…..seemed like he was more concerned about coming off like a “playa” and impressing his VA teammates than he was with honoring his dad.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 12, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse
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Art Monk stole that show. I'm sorry, but DG's "I belong here because I know what to do wit it" wasn't worth the deer marks in the briefs that Monk wore to the ceremony.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse


Now we're rehashing Jason Taylor? You're living in the past this week, Mr. Mayor.

Posted by: League-Source

Your dismissive comment of the Mayor's well researched and informative piece is not what one expects frmo a frequently spot-on poster.

It's also wrong-headed, since Reid updated the story. Most of us thought Taylor would just slide off into the sunset after the disastrous trade, but no, not only did Parcells hornswaggle Snyderatto with the initial trade, but he fooled him twice by getting Taylor back at bargain basement rates.

It further reminds readers o the importance of a great GM, something is team is TILL lacking in spades. That'snot a rehash, that's a public service reminder for 'skins fans.

It further illustrates that Snyderatto, despite all their years in the cold weather NFC East, had no clue that a 240 pound dancer could not be plugged in to replace a runstuffer like Daniels, and how far behind the rest of the league the Redskibn suits were..

However, tho not specifically addressed, it shows progress in that the team didn't just plug in their prize rookie Orakpo at left defensive end to ge chewed up, but have used him wisely as a hybrid, keeping the 300 pound Daniels at LDE on run plays.

Be it snyderatto or Blache, the redsins are pretty professional on D overall.

As an offensive juggernaut, they'd be an embarrassment to a good Pop Warner organization.

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

seem to remember cringing through most of Jared’s introduction of Darrel at the HOF ceremony…..seemed like he was more concerned about coming off like a “playa” and impressing his VA teammates than he was with honoring his dad.

Posted by: dlhaze1


Why is that? Because he wore diamond studs in his ear?

On another note:

Been doing a little reading, and I'm assuming in addition to the non-stop 'Skins ripping (giggty) the Post does, I'm willing to bet that he was already two minutes off the WaPost for a certain article written back in 1995 on Scientology.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

theCork

"It further reminds readers o the importance of a great GM, something is team is TILL lacking in spades. That'snot a rehash, that's a public service reminder for 'skins fans."


Without a great picker, we'll keep getting what we got.

Somebody should point out to Snyder that there are more teams finding success with GMs than not.

Anybody from the Colts/Ravens/Steelers/Eagles/Patriot talent acquisition departments would be embraced at this point in the game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Some guy named NotZorn wanted me to pass this along....It's pretty self-explaintory...so here is what NotZorn wanted me to post:

Tom Coughlin: "I'm responsible" for Giants' loss
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 12, 2009 10:43 AM ET
The New York Giants' defense has been criticized for the way it squandered a late lead in Sunday's loss to the San Diego Chargers, but the offense has been criticized even more for giving the defense a lead small enough to squander.

Leading 17-14 with the ball deep in San Diego territory in the fourth quarter on Sunday, the Giants played it safe, ran the ball and settled for a field goal to go up 20-14 with 2:07 remaining. The Giants lost 21-20, and many fans and media members have criticized quarterback Eli Manning and offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride for that cautious approach.

But head coach Tom Coughlin made it clear on Wednesday that anyone who wants to criticize the team should criticize him.

"I thought it was perfectly clear, but let me express it so no longer does anyone else receive any type of blame," Coughlin said. "The blame goes right here. That's all. . . . I'm responsible for all of the decisions that are made with our football team."

Coughlin's comments come after the Giants' fourth loss of the season, and they're reminiscent of another Giants coach, Jim Fassel, making an impassioned speech after the Giants' fourth loss of the 2000 season.

''I'm raising the expectations. I'm raising the stakes," Fassel said in that 2000 speech. "I'm driving the train and all they have to do is listen and follow. I'm redefining the season. I'm responsible and no one else is. We're in a horse race and we're coming around the last corner. I want to get this team to the finish line. That's my whole goal in life right now.''

Fassel's comments were repeated over and over again when the Giants got to the Super Bowl two months later. Coughlin can only hope his speech yields similar results.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

It further illustrates that Snyderatto, despite all their years in the cold weather NFC East, had no clue that a 240 pound dancer could not be plugged in to replace a runstuffer like Daniels...

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 12:39 PM

Big problem, Cork, was that Taylor was seriously injured and missed most of the season. This year, healthy in Miami, he's a player again.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

good post Cork

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Last years draft was a wonderful example. We picked up 3 guys who seemingly graded well AND were needs. We see how well that has gone. Perhaps they will end up being productive somewhere along the line, but at this point is seems our evaluation was off the mark.Posted by: mattsoundworld"

This is one of those debates that probably has no endpoint. Partly that's because of some logic flaws.

First, there's no clear way of defining the BPA. Let's say you're in the middle of the first round looking at three players graded roughly even -- a tackle, a LB, and a CB. You could draft any one of them and claim he was the BPA. Who'd know the difference? Meanwhile you would actually be drafting for need and still taking the BPA.

The problem emerges when your 'need' is so pressing that it overwhelms your better judgment. That often happens with struggling clubs that don't have QBs. They take a chance on some young buck who's a current fave of the hype machine and discover later he's not all he was cracked up to be. Think Alex Smith and Jamarcus Russell. But the same thing can happen with 'game-changing' defenders and 'sure-fire 10 year All-Pro' linemen.

Need can easily overcome good judgment. That's what the BPA philosophy was intended to accomplish: keeping GMs out of trouble.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran admits it's his damn fault the Redskins stink in his latest column on NFLDraftdog.com. And he has evidence.

"Folks, I have The Curse. I have the ability to cause human pain and suffering. I have a talent for making Talent disappear. Because of me players for teams I root for get injured. I’m sorry, Redskin fans, this year’s rash of injuries is all on me—same as usual."

read it ALL at:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

4th, great post...shows what a coach is supposed to do, as opposed to JZ who is whining to ESPN that he wishes he could still call plays...

ls, just ignore him...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

You have to balance BPA and need on a case by case basis.

We should have drafted Oher based on need. With Oher we might have a serviceable OL and our season wouldn't be over once Samuels went down (as it was last year too).

While Orakpo is awesome, our defense isn't winning us any more games than it did last year.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Be it snyderatto or Blache, the redsins are pretty professional on D overall.

As an offensive juggernaut, they'd be an embarrassment to a good Pop Warner organization.

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse
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Probably should err on the side of Blache, since it was Dear Leader who dropped the soap in front of Parcells, Dear Leader who ran Arrington outta town, Dear Leader who let Pierce go to our rivals, and Dear Leader who let the guy go who subbed for a hurt M Wash last season (K. Campbell).

Then you start to see this cycle of not having adequate depth/replacements repeat in other areas which were once strengths, like DBs, who could use a Leigh Torrence or a Ryan Clark these days. The Oline could use a Sam Baker in the 1st 2 years ago.

Our running backs could use a battering ram with that 3rd pick wasted on TJ Duckett, or with the 2nd for JT (as mentioned).

Credit Blache. I think you are safe to do so.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/12/dan-daly-all-the-coaches-of-redskins-past-haunting/

Interesting read on the skins and the Coaches burned by Snyder. I like how he undercut another coach,similar to how did Zorn.

"After all, Greg Blache may not be aware of this, but Dan didn't always spoil his defensive coordinators with expensive shotguns. In '99, in fact, when the Redskins' defense was struggling, Nolan returned to his office to find three canisters of melting ice cream. (The owner's not-so-subtle message: "I do not like vanilla [defenses].") Later that year, Snyder gifted Nolan with a defensive adviser, Bill Arnsparger - undercutting him in much the same way Zorn has been neutered by Sherm Lewis. "

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Folks, I have The Curse. I have the ability to cause human pain and suffering..."

Cork

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Happens every time you post...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

For all you Russ Grimm advocates:

"I remember going to training camp up in Carlisle in 1992, Grimm's first year as an assistant to Gibbs. Just prior to practice players were milling around the end zone catting and joking around. Out of nowhere a huge Ford Bronco--not the little one the big curb stomping mini-monster truck-- drives up right into the middle of end zone. Players scatter and stare. Grimm steps out of the driver's seat, pulls a wad of chewing tobacco from his mouth, chucks it to the ground and says "let's hit it." The players jumped to attention and got to practicing."


http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Russ-Grimm-as-next-Redskins-head-coach

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Later that year, Snyder gifted Nolan with a defensive adviser, Bill Arnsparger - undercutting him in much the same way Zorn has been neutered by Sherm Lewis. "

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 12:57 PM


Personally, I don't think Zorn was "neutered" by Sherm Lewis. If anything, I'd say he was enlarged.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

YEAH!!!! Glad he got the fine handed to him more than the others!!! by the way, did anyone see Jason La Canfora trashing D Hall and putting the who incident on him on the NFL network? La Canfora is such a lazy eyed D bag.

Posted by: erleach | November 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It further illustrates that Snyderatto, despite all their years in the cold weather NFC East, had no clue that a 240 pound dancer could not be plugged in to replace a runstuffer like Daniels...

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 12:39 PM

Big problem, Cork, was that Taylor was seriously injured and missed most of the season. This year, healthy in Miami, he's a player again.

Posted by: League-Source
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Sorry L-S, but I'm siding with Cork on this one. Taylor was not effective when he was healthy and then the injury came. I remember Blache being highly upset with the man because he was free-lancing (hmmm... sounds familiar) instead of staying home and taking care of his assignments. Plus, Jason Taylor's success this year is partly attributable to him playing outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. Washington, probably wrongfully, tried to use him as a defensive end.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

who cares if zorn is upset about getting the play calling taken away, I mean, scoring 6 against the chiefs kind of precludes you from complaining....doesn't it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I got a theory too on what's what...

For most of youse guys, you want the Redskins to LOSE all of their remaining games to have Vinny fired.

If they go 4-4 or better, than Vinny will point all fingers as Zorn being the problem. He will say he pulled some old guy off the streets who hasn't been on a team in over 4 years calling plays better than Zorn.. Vinny took the play calling away to save his own job.

So, will you root for your team go 0-8 just to get rid of Vinny? I won't, but not because of Vinny......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

smutsboy

"While Orakpo is awesome, our defense isn't winning us any more games than it did last year."

The NFL draft sometimes a conflict where what you need battles what you want.

Most teams set themselves up to satisfy their needs.

The skins have fallen into the trap of selecting what they want.

That's why 3 pass catchers are picked when 1 pass catcher and linemen were needed.

This past year, a linebacker was wanted when a tackle was needed.

Maybe next year, this vicious cycle of futility will end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

who cares if zorn is upset about getting the play calling taken away, I mean, scoring 6 against the chiefs kind of precludes you from complaining....doesn't it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse
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This is why I have come to agree that JZ is part of the problem.

If it's not play calling, then hand the play sheet to the towel boy and spend the entire game in your players ears till they get it right. Right?

It doesn't make sense to say, 'Im good at play calling' when the team needs you to do something else more.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

From the redskins blogger. Levi Jones on Stephon Heyer:

But he also added one thing that was a little unexpected.

It was something that he didn't have to say, and something that really stood out to me: Jones went out of his way to defend Stephon Heyer, a guy who's been on the receiving end of a ton of criticism for his performance at left tackle.

"Well, if you look at what went on with the left side," Jones said, when asked about the game against the Falcons, "with the left tackle, I was helping all I could and telling him everything I knew about it because I've faced [John] Abraham a lot, and Stephon [Heyer] went in there and did a good job – he blocked Abraham. He did something last week that I haven't seen one tackle in the league do this year, and that was block Abraham and get him frustrated, and Stephon did that. They were talking a lot about stuff that had happened in the past, and now that the guy did something did something good, nobody wants to focus on it, nobody wants to talk about it. He went in there and locked up Abraham."

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Again with the drafting for need thing; it goes deeper than that. You have to look at your entire roster when making a choice.

If you draft a game changer, than obviously he can improve spots around him. If you draft for need, you don't necessarily get that.

Actually, let me diverge for a second and say that I'm saying this in the context of a long-term strategy. There are a lot of people who are saying we should draft for need, and I can see where that would make sense in the short run, but without that qualifier, I still think you have to look at how a potential pick will improve your 53 man roster

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

For all you Russ Grimm advocates:

"I remember going to training camp up in Carlisle in 1992, Grimm's first year as an assistant to Gibbs. Just prior to practice players were milling around the end zone catting and joking around. Out of nowhere a huge Ford Bronco--not the little one the big curb stomping mini-monster truck-- drives up right into the middle of end zone. Players scatter and stare. Grimm steps out of the driver's seat, pulls a wad of chewing tobacco from his mouth, chucks it to the ground and says "let's hit it." The players jumped to attention and got to practicing."


http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Russ-Grimm-as-next-Redskins-head-coach

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 1:00 PM

I would love Grimm as head coach. Just not with the current front office.

Posted by: skinswest | November 12, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"I was helping all I could and telling him everything I knew about it because I've faced [John] Abraham a lot, and Stephon [Heyer] went in there and did a good job – he blocked Abraham."

This is true.

All week long, I kept thinking John Abraham would eat Heyer aline, but he didn't.

Mike Williams' collapse at right tackle is what doomed the offense last week.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

That makes sense. Most of the pressure was on the other side. The 3 man rush went inside on BMW and Will Montgomery was busy blocking air again.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 12, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope Mike Smit's fine was the largest in the group. I higher standard should be set by coaches vs. players. What he did was totally uncalled for. I think he is lucky to not get suspended for a game. In soccer, he would have likely been "red carded"!

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | November 12, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

That's why 3 pass catchers are picked when 1 pass catcher and linemen were needed.
So if Rinehart busts as a mid-second round pick, at least we tried?
This is what I don't get. If we had not traded with ATL, and picked Sam Baker at LT (started 5 games last year, got hurt) he would've been labelled a bust, and injury prone. By skipping from mid-second to end-of-third, there were, if I recall, 2-3 justaguy OLs picked.
I don't claim to understand the TE part of WR-TE-WR, but I do understand the WR part (Moss, ARE, and... Reche Caldwell??).

And now, the standard-of-adequacy for Hamster Nation is that we have to use 6 picks on the OL?

Posted by: daggar | November 12, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So if Rinehart busts as a mid-second round pick, at least we tried?

not ready to call him a bust, after they gave him a whopping 2 starts, combined with the current make up of the coaching staff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Apparently I spoke too soon from the Times:

Just got back upstairs from the locker room and there was actually a little news.

Will Montgomery, the starter at right guard the last three games, said he's been replaced by Chad Rinehart.

Coach Jim Zorn doesn't talk until after practice so if he doesn't confirm, I'll change course. This has been a wild year in terms of players not being informed of promotions/demotions/new roles.

Rinehart, the former third round pick, started the Detroit and Tampa Bay games after Randy Thomas was lost for the year with a torn triceps.

"I’d rather be playing than not be playing for sure," Montgomery said.

Rinehart wasn't spotted during the open locker room period.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

And now, the standard-of-adequacy for Hamster Nation is that we have to use 6 picks on the OL?

Posted by: daggar | November 12, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that is stupid. Why use 6 picks on OL? We already have 10 OL. We have backups for OL. The issue is that we don't have starters. You would have to cut most of them. I want starting caliber 2 tackles. Then a center. Then use the later round picks on BPA. We need starters on the line. You get starters in the first 2 rounds. After that it's a toss up.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 12, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

i think we need to consider signing vick for next year and develop a qb behind him then we should trade our 1st rounder fo a lower 1st rounder and a second or 3rd. okung is the oly ot worth a top 15 pick!! so we should draft spiller with our 1st rounder then pick up ol with the rest of our picks. vick and spiller would be explosive!! the sign the olb johnson from the chiefs and sign 2 top ol in free agency!!! what do you guys think

Posted by: jtbowhunter | November 12, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"...not ready to call him a bust, after they gave him a whopping 2 starts, combined with the current make up of the coaching staff..."

When a team is not willing to give a guy the chance to play himself into form, who knows how good he is?

Rhinehart, Marko Mitchell, Chris Wilson, and Anthony Monetgomery could all have the same beef: "How do you know what I can do until I get the chance to grow into an NFL player?"

Grooming a guy you drafted isn't a bad thing.

For good teams, it's the only thing.

A guy like Reggie Wayne spent a lot of time just running deep while M Harrison was in his prime. Now, Wayne is in his prime and Harrison replaced.

And think about it: is Chad Rhinehart so bad that Mike Williams is better at guard or tackle?

It seems like we'll never know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

CHAMP BAILEY DEAL....JASON TAYLOR DEAL!!!!

WHEN YOU'RE LOSING, EVERY DEAL LOOKS BAD...WHEN YOU WIN, YOU'RE A GENIUS!!!!

THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THESE PILE-ON JACKAZZEZ IS THAT YOU HAVE SELECTIVE MEMORY!

THIS FRANCHISE IS MEDIOCRE, BUT WHERE WAS ALL THIS SNYDER BASHING WHEN WE WERE ON THE 5 AND 6 GAME WINNING STREAKS TO GET TO THE PLAYOFFS in 05' and 07'?

God knows this team has made some awful personnel moves, but good grief...all of them weren't bad.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Very glad to see Smith and Fish were fined, but did I read it correctly that Hall was not fined? He definitely should have been, because he had very limited business being over there since Landry had already started walking back to the huddle. Smith and Fish definitely deserve bigger fines for their role it, but I thought Hall deserved to lose a little knucklehead money too.

As for the drafting BPA argument....I think it holds when one player is clearly better than the rest of the choices, but I think if it's close you have to have a strategy to fill your needs with quality players. Especially in the situation we have where one critical unit is aging and talent-poor.

Plus, to the idea someone posted about drafting players who can have a bigger impact on the team as opposed for need.... nothing helps a team more than having a dominant o-line and a dominant d-line because it makes everything easier and many more things possible. This seems to get missed when looking at flashy RBs / WRs / KR specialists and other 'game-changers'. So if you are going to draft for 'biggest impact', then you consistently should draft o-line and d-line players to keep replenishing and upgrading that talent pool.

All of that being said, the Skins under Snyder / Cerrato should henceforth be banned from using the BPA strategy because it is clear that their relative evaluation of talent sucks. If I hear Vinny use the "the wasn't a player we liked there better than the one we drafted" line one more time.......

Posted by: ts35 | November 12, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Fish should have been fined more. He grabbed Hall and kept him on the sideline, actually pulling him deeper into the sideline.

In my opinion, Fish is the guy who started it, Mike Whatshisface, the Coach, escalated it, and Haynes worth basically put a quick end to it.

Haynesworth should get Fish's check to the league and we call it even.

PS - rickyroge has a point. But inept coach, cerrato, neglect of O Line, overpaying wrong positions, Front Office blaming all on Campbell... there's plenty of issues here. Starts at the top. Again, Why The West Coast Offense? OH, right, Vinnie "earned" his rings in SF. Good point. Good reason. That must be why he's such an expert on building a high-powered offense. Must not have appreciated those SF O Lines, I guess. Vinnie thought it was just Montana and Rice the whole time. Genius, pure Genius.

Good Riddance.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 12, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This is money well spent by Hotlanta. IT took this jerk completely out of his game and he could not tackle anyone after it. Nice work Hotlanta. you needed someone to fire up the troops. Here is the next Adam Arhuletta signing that will be a bust for the Redskins. Keep up the good work Vinny. How much money can you waste on guys like this.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | November 12, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

MeAngelo should stick to missing tackles and getting beat on almost every play. He is the most worthless overpaid CB in the NFL. When the Raiders cut him, that said it all.

Posted by: martin6 | November 12, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how much Fish makes, but they might have scaled his fine to take into account that he's not making as much money as everyone else on the sideline (if he is, though, they should have fined him more).

Posted by: ts35 | November 12, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Uh, HelloNewman1, I don't know if you've been watching, but Hall couldn't tackle anyone BEFORE it, either. Atlanta could have saved their money.

Posted by: ts35 | November 12, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Kind of weird...the headline is "Falcon's coach fined 15,000. but the article doesn't discuss the coach being fined. It talks about Hall and Haynesworth. I wanted to know what he did to get fined and what his side of the story was.Why would you lead in with coach but then not talk about him?

Posted by: terkopauldiner1 | November 13, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

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