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A helping hand from Haynesworth

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache has dismissed reporters who have asked whether defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth seems to have helped to make his teammates better. Blache acknowledges that Haynesworth does his job well, but says that he has no affect on anyone else's success on defense.

It's hard to buy that when you consider the type of season defensive end Andre Carter is enjoying. After having only four sacks in 16 games last season, Carter has 6.5 in seven games.

Carter has re-emerged as a productive edge rusher, and it seems like more than a coincidence that he experienced a major career turnaround as soon as Haynesworth lined up next to him. Haynesworth draws double teams because of his size and skill, and Carter, I believe, has benefited most from Haynesworth joining the Redskins defense.

But Carter is not the only one boosted by the big fella. After a rough rookie season, second-year nickel cornerback Justin Tryon has shown encouraging signs in coverage this season, and as everyone knows, an effective pass rush is a defensive back's best friend. Haynesworth has helped to improve the pass rush, and the Redskins' defense overall, by doing the things he does.

This is not to suggest, however, that Carter, Tryon and other defensive players do not deserve most of the credit for their success/improvement. Obviously, they do.

It's just that, through Washington's first seven games, it seems clear that Haynesworth helped to make things happen on defense and helped his teammates. Of course, Haynesworth also freelanced more than the coaches (especially Blache) preferred, and there often seemed to be a lot of drama when he would leave the field because of an injury he later returned from or simply when he needed a break.

But $41 million guaranteed or not, Haynesworth has been a difference-making addition. "He's definitely played well and he's helped us," middle linebacker London Fletcher said recently. "Obviously, he's been a good addition to our team."

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By Jason Reid  |  November 3, 2009; 6:50 AM ET
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But is he a $12M a year difference maker?

If we had an offense that was NFL-adequate, I think the answer would be yes.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

The offense is not getting done what it should, based on their personnel. Their O-line stinks. They got all their money in underachieving skill players. They got a second-round tight end (Fred Davis) who can't get on the field because he is too dumb. They have a first-round quarterback who is just as dumb as the tight end. They can't knock anyone off the ball."-pfw

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

*REPOST*

Should Abstinence be filed right next to abortion and homosexuality under 'Govt. Conspiracy' for population control?

Posted by: Vicc | November 3, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | November 3, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Somebody on the radio yesterday was joking about something on Redskins.com -- the 'vote for the pro bowl' article; then, in thinking about it, picked two guys he thought were actually deserving: Fletcher (a no-brainer), and Carter.
I'm not sure I agree with Carter -- the slot might be better described as 'the guy next to Haynesworth' -- but his stats are very good. He's also a guy that plays 16 games a year, almost every down, and with the automatic elimination of any o-line talent that might appear 'injury prone', I'm surprised that there are Hamsters who want to get rid of him.
Haynesworth's been in the pro bowl the last two years... if the fan base Up Here had any enthusiasm for the team, a third trip would be very likely.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

dag, agreed on fletch, and if carter gets in the 12-15 range of sacks, then I think he gets in...he's playing well this year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Didn't emperors of old hire eunuchs for jobs they wouldn't trust, due to risks of temptation or usurpation, to others who still possessed a complete package? That makes me think Danny goes classical next year and hires the best eunuch head coach available to replace Zorn. My guess is the difficulty of the search based on these parameters lets Billy Jean King slip into the running. Talk about a plash.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | November 3, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

But is he a $12M a year difference maker?

If we had an offense that was NFL-adequate, I think the answer would be yes.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 7:24 AM


Therein lies the problem: there's no possible way you get proper return on that investment. Paying $41 million guaranteed to a DT is outlandish. Especially one that only stays on the field 3/4 of the defensive plays. And if your offense is good enough to stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time, your defense won't be on the field long enough for you to need a dominant DT...at least not for QB money.

Spending that kind of money on ONE guy when you have so many holes is completely stupid. And to do so at the one position where you have a pretty good rotation is even dumber. They could have had at least 3 guys for the price they paid for Haynesworth and bolstered that O-line so that it at least wouldn't be as horrendous as it currently is.

But hey--that would make sense. Which means it never crossed Danny's mind. Hard to sell jerseys when you spend your money on O-lineman, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Greg Williams looked a little tubby last night. Must be the loss of stressing out over your defense having to win the game EVERY time.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 3, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Greg Williams looked a little tubby last night. Must be the loss of stressing out over your defense having to win the game EVERY time.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 3, 2009 7:43 AM


We mock him a lot up here, but I picked the Saints at the beginning of the year to get to the Super Bowl because he's coordinating that defense. If they win any less than 14 games, I'll be stunned.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

We mock him a lot up here, but I picked the Saints at the beginning of the year to get to the Super Bowl because he's coordinating that defense. If they win any less than 14 games, I'll be stunned.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 7:48 AM |

There defense is no where near as good as ours, without that high powered offense that defense stinks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Big Al is good, but I think we payed too much for him. Also, we still do not have a defensive TD. There was a fumble sitting there against Philly and as usual we didn't get it. I recall the same thing against the Chiefs too. We are immune to getting turnovers. It's so weird. I see other teams in the league score on Defense. I thought Hall and Haynesworth would change that, but low and behold it hasn't. The curse continues.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 3, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I thought Blache wasn't talking to the media anymore?

...Haney definitely helps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Well on the bright side of things, I remember weeks past there were discussions as to whether or not we would beat the likes of (STL, DET, TB, CAR, KC). Now those games are over, and we got + .500 teams now till OAK. I think it's safe to say no one expects us to win anything the rest of the way. Could be really go 2-14? I would have never thought that going into this year.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 3, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Who's coachin' that D, Flounder? ;-]

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

From todays post:

Though Davis, a second-round pick in the 2008 draft, had 78 yards and a touchdown after Cooley went down against Philadelphia, Davis knew he'd need to improve his pass-blocking. So he cancelled plans to fly home and instead called tight ends coach Scott Wachenheim, asking him if he'd remain in Ashburn during the bye week. The two met for 2 1/2 hours Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, putting in extra work to prepare Davis.

These are the professionals? Wait until I'm in there, then improve my weaknesses?

WTF?

Posted by: pv1999 | November 3, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

The Browns GM got fired, just after the owner made an empathizing statement to the media. The fans are pleased. How do we get Snyder to pay attention to that?

Posted by: REXskins | November 3, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Moral of the story is:

Average offense + Great Defense --> Playoffs. Skins dont qualify because of their high school level personnel on offense

Posted by: BacktoGlory | November 3, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

If Danny lands a big name, it'll be someone who made that big name in college. Or he'll have to settle for another no-name assistant just like Jim Zorn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 6:42 AM

He can get a big name. There will be a contract with a monster-sized early termination clause and other clauses to prevent meddling by the owner. Plus a stake through Vinnie Cerrato's heart.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Big Al is good, but I think we payed too much for him.

Who's "we"? You've got Dan Snyder in your pocket? If so, tell us where you are, there are a group of us who'd like to hold an impromptu "meeting".

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Why would Blache say something so obviously stupid?

Of course Al is making guys around him better.

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

These are the professionals? Wait until I'm in there, then improve my weaknesses?

Well, Davis spent most of training camp trying to pronounce "Wachenheim". And you wonder why he has a giggling problem.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

After a rough rookie season, second-year nickel cornerback Justin Tryon has shown encouraging signs in coverage this season, and as everyone knows, an effective pass rush is a defensive back's best friend. Haynesworth has helped to improve the pass rush, and the Redskins' defense overall, by doing the things he does.

By Jason Reid | November 3, 2009; 6:50 AM ET

How did Haynesworth make Carlos Rogers worse but Justin Tryon better?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

There defense is no where near as good as ours, without that high powered offense that defense stinks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, they suck.

Of course they had that high-powered offense last year too and weren't playing nearly this good on defense, but who cares about that...

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

He can get a big name. There will be a contract with a monster-sized early termination clause and other clauses to prevent meddling by the owner. Plus a stake through Vinnie Cerrato's heart.

Posted by: League-Source
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A lot of people have been saying things along the line of "If you offer money, they will come". I didn't think so before and I still don't. Who came in 2007? And now the offer looks even worse. Plus you already got the top 3 speculations indicating disinterest.

You got Shanahan allegedly turning down the job mid season, Holmgren publicly dissing the management, and Gruden saying he like the job he has. I just think any "big name" coach is going to prefer 31 other organizations before the redskins, regardless of money.

Remember the "big names" already have money, what they probably want is a chance to win the superbowl, or at least a STABLE job in a nice location. None of that describes the Redskins.

Posted by: REXskins | November 3, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Economic Boycot, Rex.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Paying $41 million guaranteed to a DT is outlandish. Especially one that only stays on the field 3/4 of the defensive plays.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 7:41 AM

There were some stats up here the other day -- I think the Mayor posted them -- that Haynesworth is playing more defensive plays than the Skins' other DTs. But if you've got numbers that show he's not, or that he plays less than other elite DTs in the league, then it would be great to see them.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Maybe there's a disease that afflicts RFAs-in-an-uncapped-year.
Campbell is playing himself into a "they won't even tender me" position, and Carlos continues to play with his Hulk Hands.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

A lot of people have been saying things along the line of "If you offer money, they will come". I didn't think so before and I still don't. Who came in 2007?

Posted by: REXskins | November 3, 2009 8:39 AM

The only one they even looked at in 2007 was Cowher, and he'd just retired and is waiting for the Carolina vacancy. All the others were little-money assistants. There weren't any others on the market then.

Also, at the time Snyder had a lot of confidence in Vinny and himself. If he still has that confidence, then you're right, no one will come under the working conditions he was offering -- "Here, I've picked your assistants and your QB."

But the point is that if he wants to change and attract a big name coach, he can write a contract that will overcome his past history. It will cost him -- he will pay for his past mistakes -- but it can be done.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The Haynesworth deal is not one that upsets me. Pricey? Yes but the dude can play.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 3, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Maybe there's a disease that afflicts RFAs-in-an-uncapped-year.
Campbell is playing himself into a "they won't even tender me" position, and Carlos continues to play with his Hulk Hands.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 8:42 AM

Hmmm. Maybe the disease is called "War Eagle"?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Maybe the disease is called "War Eagle"?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Ronnie Brown is balling. Maybe it's War Eagle and Redskins that don't mix. Marcus Washington fell apart after he got here, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 3, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The Browns GM got fired, just after the owner made an empathizing statement to the media. The fans are pleased. How do we get Snyder to pay attention to that?

Posted by: REXskins | November 3, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Never going to happen. Snyder does what he does b/c he cares about himself first and foremost. Yes, he says he loves the team and wants to win, but to quote someone on here from yesterday, 'he wants to win his way'.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Except for the fact that Hatch Green Chile is the best thing ever!

Posted by: Devo2 | November 3, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

This is not to suggest, however, that Carter, Tryon and other defensive players do not deserve most of the credit for their success/improvement. Obviously, they do.

By: JReid

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Huh?? Whaaa?

But that's exactly what you're saying.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Wrong Flounder, grilliams has made a huge impact on the saints. Wanna explain how they have the same exact offense as last season...almost to the man...but vastly different results? Wanna explain how the pick 6 was basically the difference in yesterdays game?

Also outside of sharper, the saints D really didn't upgrade their players that much.

c'mon people...thinking caps...I swear watching redskins football makes us all dumber overall NFL fans....we all have a little snyder inside us now. OK fetal position time...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

But the point is that if he wants to change and attract a big name coach, he can write a contract that will overcome his past history. It will cost him -- he will pay for his past mistakes -- but it can be done.

Posted by: League-Source
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I acknowledge that it CAN be done, but to think it actually will is insanely optimistic. We all know this guy Snyder pretty well now. We can judge him by his actions and they present an unwavering mindset of control, meddling, and narcissism.

Since we know exactly who this guy Snyder is, I think it's safe to say he's not willing to give up the kind of power he would have to in order to write that contract. To suggest that his entire character will change is very optimistic, and I just don't see it happening.

Posted by: REXskins | November 3, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

From NFL.com:

"General manager George Kokinis is "no longer actively involved" with the Cleveland Browns organization, the team said in a statement Monday night.

Earlier in the day, several reports surfaced indicating that Kokinis had been fired by the 1-7 team. Citing unnamed league sources, the Cleveland Plain Dealer and NBC affiliate WKYC-TV3 in Cleveland said Kokinis was escorted out of the Browns' headquarters by security on Monday."

HEY, DAN! DOES THIS GIVE YOU ANY IDEAS??? I THINK THIS GM ALSO GAVE HIS TEAM A PLAYOFF (chuckle) CALIBER GROUP OF PLAYERS...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Greg Williams looked a little tubby last night. Must be the loss of stressing out over your defense having to win the game EVERY time.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead

I noticed the weight gain as well but attributed it to the good Cajun cooking in Nola.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 3, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

These Browns/skins analogies are false...that dude was hired by Mangidiot and was on the job like what 6/7 months. Lerner fired him to put mangini on notice and b/c he had no relationship with the dude. That is hardly applicable here.....but hey I am sacrificing goats daily that Snyder cans Vinny.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

mmm goat.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 3, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a joke. How many O lineman could they have signed for his slary cap number? Has Fat Albert made even one play that changed the outcome of a game?

The positive contributions he has made is he increased Halloween candy sales in the DC area by double digits and he helped Giant increase their market share by 1 percent. And the training staff is in better shape from running onto the field to take care of his fake injuries! And the cleaning crew at Redskin's Park is busy cleaning up the head when Fat Albert's steaming bowl fillers cause the the toilet to overflow!

Someone needs to come with bootleg Hey, Hey here comes Fat Albert Redskin T shirts!


Posted by: vaherder | November 3, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

herder, man...

step

away

from the

sheep.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

herder, man...

step

away

from the

sheep.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I thought Blache wasn't talking to the media anymore?

...Haney definitely helps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

__________________

The quote from Blache on Haynesworth is from the first few games of the season. Not a new quote.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 3, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

vaherder you're not a very observant person are you? Anyway you're entitled to your opinion of Mr. Haynesworth.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

but hey I am sacrificing goats daily that Snyder cans Vinny.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 9:26 AM |

Wrong species. A sacrificial vaherder might get it done.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Greggg Williams Also has Darren Sharper, the current year's Defensive MVP.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Coach blache wants to pick this battle. if Haynesworth sits out a few weeks, his defense will be exposed. Give the credit where its due Blache. I don't think you are aggressive enough with your Blitzes and being conservative fails to cause turnovers...Get rid of Blache too...

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"...if carter gets in the 12-15 range of sacks, then I think he gets in...he's playing well this year..."


All things in football are interconnected.

Carter is playing well because Haynesworth eats up extra blockers which also improves Golston's game.

If the FO realized this as apart of the decision to bring in Haynesworth, then perhaps it should've seen there was no need to draft another defensive end/linebacker like Orakpo.

But it didn't, suggesting the Haynesworth addition was just another '..get a big name..' move.

Hopefully, the FO will make the same mistake with the offensive line in the off season, and just '..get a big name..' free agent tackle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of Blache too...

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 9:44 AM

We'd be undefeated this year is Blache hadn't screwed up the defense so badly. Only reason we can't win is the D is not putting enough points on the board.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe - I hope they do too...and I hope they actually draft OL in the early rounds too..otherwise WTF

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

lets get rid of everyone except dan snyder, he can then live out his dream to play all 22 spots on the roster.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 3, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

original_etrod

"The Haynesworth deal is not one that upsets me. Pricey? Yes but the dude can play."


The guy most upset about the Hayensworth deal is Anthony Montegomery.

You have to imagine he thought he'd get more time of the field and thus, a big pay day due his over all improvement since he became a redskin.

But with Big Al in the house, Montegomery doesn't really get field time, and thus, may not get the paycheck that come with that.

He'll get released, wind up else where, and after all his redskin grooming, become a player for another franchise: I call it, the Redskin Way of doing business.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

He'll get released, wind up else where, and after all his redskin grooming, become a player for another franchise: I call it, the Redskin Way of doing business.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 9:53 AM

The Leigh Torrence story all over again. Saints sign him and now they're the number one defense.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of Blache too...

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 9:44 AM

We'd be undefeated this year is Blache hadn't screwed up the defense so badly. Only reason we can't win is the D is not putting enough points on the board.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 9:48 AM | Report


I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or genuine but i do think our defense should be more of a difference maker. if cut loose they could get us some points and turnovers..this team makes no sense...they draft WR/TE early last year and then dont use the guys hardly...then they need OL help and a scat back and they go for defense help and then play conservative..i got news for you..conservative sucks.. we have been conservative too damn long. we had Lavar and wouldnt let him freelance, we have fat Albert and a playmaker CB now and they arent aggressive. We keep ARE and rock returning on ST and dont play DHall or DThomas. What the hell?? use your pieces that you have to win !! Look at Baltimore, they put arguably the best safety ever back to return on ST and gamble to win...quit being such a bunch of sissies and stick your neck out and make something happen....BTW coach that doesnt mean go for it on 4th and goal from the 5 in the first quarter...thats just stupid..no wonder you lost your playcalling duties

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

True, Moe, but Monty's had plenty of opportunities here to prove himself and he hasn't done it.

If he goes to another team and becomes a player, good for him, but he won't reach his potential as a Redskin.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 3, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

BTW coach that doesnt mean go for it on 4th and goal from the 5 in the first quarter...thats just stupid..no wonder you lost your playcalling duties

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:00 AM

So, stay medium except when not staying medium works. Be bold, if bold works, and conservative if conservative works.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

How did Haynesworth make Carlos Rogers worse but Justin Tryon better?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Albert Haynesworth can't help the fact that Carlos Rogers has five thumbs all made of stone.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | November 3, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

scott

"...and I hope they actually draft OL in the early rounds too..otherwise WTF."


This brings back yesterday's beef about philosophy.

If the skins are committed to the WCO, then free agent lineman from WCO systems--a tackle/right guard--would be necessary.

The best tackle in the draft, Ok State Russell Okung, is more of a power game right tackle.

So which choice should the skins make?

And take into account Levi Jones, Mike Williams, and Stehpon Heyer.

I'd use money to get a tackle and starting right guard--release R Thomas.

I'd give Jones the chance to 'takeover' the best tackle spot for him--release Heyer.

Mike Williams would have to prove he's more than 'just a guy' to be on the team.

But again: it's all about philosophy.

And like with philosophy and the redskins, but usually amount to a lot of b.s..

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I swear watching redskins football makes us all dumber overall NFL fans....we all have a little snyder inside us now. OK fetal position time...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 9:21 AM


Which is exactly why I haven't watched a single minute of Redskins football since the Lions loss. I can't even tell you how much more enjoyable football is when you don't care who wins.

And when you're watching teams that can actually put the ball in the end zone more than once a month.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

BTW coach that doesnt mean go for it on 4th and goal from the 5 in the first quarter...thats just stupid..no wonder you lost your playcalling duties

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:00 AM

So, stay medium except when not staying medium works. Be bold, if bold works, and conservative if conservative works.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 10:10 AM |

No, it means use the pieces you have to win but don't pass up 3 points early in the game when you dont hardly score as it is!! Let your playmakers have the ball as much as possible and use your dominant players to dominate - not to stay within the scheme. because correct me if im wrong but we were in virtually the same position last year defensively as far as statistics go, so what the hell did we gain by spending what we did on defense? I am glad we got them but USE them dammit!

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

hanyneworth is worth every cent of his contract... carter's production is up... sacks are up... london fletcher is not getting double teamed... griff is healthy... stop complaining about about 3/4of a game... anybody watch john abraham sitting on the falcon's bench... it's called a rotation... and if monty can't get healthy and get his act together and beat out lorenzo alexander then it's monty's own fault for not playing... could have rebuilt the whole o-line in and had them ready in 2weeks by signing runyan, keydrick vincent, pete kendall, and moving levi jones to left tackle, heyer to the bench, and worked big mike williams in at tackle and guard... and signed jonas jennings for depth former bills and niners starter...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 3, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Players make plays and win games...bottom line..systems don't. When joe gibbs came here the first time he was OC under Air Coryell in SD. he had Dan Fouts passing for 4000 yards when nobody was doing it..he came here and after starting 0-5 he realized that we had a bruising FB and personnel for more of a ground it out game and he adapted. I like JZ but he isn't using what he has wisely. He doesnt have the tools to do what he wants to do but he has tools..he apparently doesnt know what to do with them and neither does the DC..so we have a good defense but not a dominant defense..we have some great athletes on this team who could do well in space but for some reason on Special Teams all of these athletes are treated like eggs and they won't risk using them to return kicks and punts..the DC seems afraid to all out blitz when he has the best speed rushing DE available in the draft and Laron Landry as a safety and Fat Albert in the middle...DHall can actually catch and we could make some stuff happen..but lets just play it safe and be good with top 5 defense...sorry but yards per game dont win football games, points do

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

could have rebuilt the whole o-line in and had them ready in 2weeks by signing runyan, keydrick vincent, pete kendall, and moving levi jones to left tackle, heyer to the bench, and worked big mike williams in at tackle and guard... and signed jonas jennings for depth former bills and niners starter...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 3, 2009 10:17 AM


If that's your definition of rebuilding the line, you're no better than Vinny. Rebuilding the line is drafting big nasties and coaching 'em up. Not stockpiling other team's scraps.

And regardless of whether Haynesworth is a beast or not, it's never wise to sign one guy to a huge contract when you could get 3 quality starters for the same price. I don't care if Haynesworth goes to the Pro Bowl or even the Hall of Fame...if signing him is at the expense of fielding a competitive offense, that's a lousy signing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

There is not one player on this Redskins offense that is not expendable!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 10:19 PM

Last year, when Mangini was announced as the new head coach for the Browns, he said the only players on the roster with safe spots were Joe Thomas (OT) and D'Quell Jackson (LB).

I dunno if the Skins are a complete tear down and rebuild ... myself, I figure that the players on the dcsween safe roster would be Landry, Orakpo, Jarmon, Haynesworth, Tryon (yes, Tryon), Dockery, Rabach, Cooley, Fletcher, Carter, Albright, and Hunter Smith ... recognizing that Fletcher SHOULD, at some point, be running low on fuel and after market spare parts.

On my safe roster, Heyer, Fred Davis, Suisham, Malcolm Kelly, Lozo, Golsten, Yoder, and Marko Mitchell are on the bubble ... leaning toward keeper. The bubble leaning toward expendable is RockyMac and Kevin Barnes.

Everybody else is expendable and temporarily occupying a jersey with a number on it, including Santana, Portis, DeAngelo Hall, and Devin Thomas.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

And regardless of whether Haynesworth is a beast or not, it's never wise to sign one guy to a huge contract when you could get 3 quality starters for the same price. I don't care if Haynesworth goes to the Pro Bowl or even the Hall of Fame...if signing him is at the expense of fielding a competitive offense, that's a lousy signing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 10:31 AM

Hayneswoth's signing didn't preclude the team from better addressing the OL. Vinny chose not to address the OL in the draft, or at anytime in the offseason. It's a belief with Vinny that the OL can be pieced together without any real investment. The team is paying the price for that misguided belief.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

we all have a little snyder inside us now.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 9:21 AM

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I feel a bowel movement stirring.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Also, Carlos Rogers would be a bubble lean keeper, if not safe spot on the dcsween safety roster. Forgot about Rogers.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Greggg Williams Also has Darren Sharper, the current year's Defensive MVP.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse


Their secondary is completely overhauled. It's what was killing them last year.

Darren Sharper
Jabari Greer
Tracy Porter is healthy

The only one that was their last year was Roman Harper.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 3, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

we do have some good players but we have some overpriced heavily mortgaged used up players too...a ship won't sail on yesterdays wind

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

we do have some good players but we have some overpriced heavily mortgaged used up players too...a ship won't sail on yesterdays wind

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I posted Randy Lerner's statement regarding his intention to seek outside help, and the dismissal of his General Manager in Cleveland.

While I respect the contrition displayed by Lerner, upon rereading the owner's statement, and with the help of Nate:

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"I think my highest priority is to have a stable figure that represents the voice that explains the decisions."

Okay, so Lerner is seeking someone whose job it will be to represent the voice that explains the front office's decisions. So to draw a parallel, this would be like Dan Snyder's deciding that Redskin media mouthpiece Larry Michael needed a legal spokesperson for himself. Or something.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 2:18 AM

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Are they any NFL owners that are not complete dunder heads?

The Green Bay Packers are publicly owned, and they call them cheese heads, right?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The only one that was their last year was Roman Harper.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 3, 2009 10:37 AM

They also have Prielaou....

And that Notorious LT....

Did anyone see Leigh Torrence playing?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

They also have Prielaou....

And that Notorious LT....

Did anyone see Leigh Torrence playing?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I saw Pierson make a tackle on teams but no Lee superawesomeguy Torrence. He probably just got his cape stuck in the phone booth again.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 3, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Also, Carlos Rogers would be a bubble lean keeper, if not safe spot on the dcsween safety roster. Forgot about Rogers.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 10:37 AM


Apparently it is considering you listed a dozen players as "safe". I'd tear this whole thing down, no questions asked. The only ones I'd build around outside of this year's draft/FA class is Chris Cooley. That's it. That's the list. Everybody else either gets cut or gets traded for picks. That's what a TRUE rebuilding is.

And TWISI: for the same money they paid for Haynesworth, the Skins could have had Jason Brown and at least one other quality lineman (if not two). And this team needed more O-line help than they did a DT by a wide margin. Regardless of his play, AH is the embodiment of what ails this team...a flawed philosophy on how to build a team. No matter how much impact he has, THIS TEAM DIDN'T NEED HIM. This is the same as putting a cherry on top of a turd...sure the cherry is tasty, but it's essentially useless because it's sitting on crap.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm one of those who think that rather than trying to minimize Albert's contribution, Blache should do more to maximize it. I suspect that if Grilliams were still here, Hayneworth would be freelancing a lot more. You can't argue with Blache's results, except to say the pressure on the QB is still average to below-average, and opponents are still converting too many 3rd downs. I imagine Blache would agree.

Blache in Chicago was a turnover genius. Not any more. You have to wonder...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 3, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

etrod's safe list: Orakpo (as a defensive end!), Jarmon, Haynesworth, Hunter Smith, Golston, Dockery and Cooley (although I would trade him for good enough value). Everyone else can go.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 3, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The only ones I'd build around outside of this year's draft/FA class is Chris Cooley. That's it. That's the list. Everybody else either gets cut or gets traded for picks. That's what a TRUE rebuilding is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 10:50 AM

That's not "rebuilding." It's urban renewal.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Whither Chris Cooley, sween? Seen enough from Davis to make Cooley expendable, have you? Hmm...

Chia, that was a fine example of corporate babble from Lerner, meaning nothing and yet perhaps something. Gave myself a headache trying to parse that... I do love the notion of Larry Michael having his own spokesperson, like who would be the guy for that job? A stable figure to represent the voice that explains the decisions that chased the cat that swallowed the rat that ate the malt that lay in the house that Dan built.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"And regardless of whether Haynesworth is a beast or not, it's never wise to sign one guy to a huge contract when you could get 3 quality starters for the same price."

What 3 quality starters could have been had for the same price?

People that see $41 guaranteed and think 'preposterous!' don't really understand how that affects the salary cap. Haynesworth's salary cap hit is $7 million. Chris Samuels' salary cap hit is $7 million. Moss' salary cap hit is $6.75 million.

Next year, Haynesworth's hit will be $8 million. London Fletcher's will be $7.1 million. Portis' will be $12.1 million.

Even an average player like, say, Derrick Dockery, has a cap hit of $3.2 million this year. Casey Rabach has a $3.65 million hit.

So what's better, 2 average linemen like Derrick Dockery and Casey Rabach, or one dominant player Albert Haynesworth?

I'll take Haynesworth 7 days a week.

Now if only Vinny could get locked out of the war room, and the team could spend some draft picks on linemen, this team could get somewhere.

Posted by: psps23 | November 3, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

i feel so sorry for Soup and the team he ends up with next year....Another system he has to learn...woe is me

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is faaar from safe.....

He's peaked.....Not a good blocker.....such as....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"AH is the embodiment of what ails this team...a flawed philosophy on how to build a team. No matter how much impact he has, THIS TEAM DIDN'T NEED HIM."

I'd argue they did, and by some margin. Last year's D got virtually no pressure on the QB and relatively few turnovers. Albert and Orakpo were specific remedies. And they helped -- and would help more if Blache used them more effectively. But they're already paying benefits.

The reason the team can't take advantage of those defensive improvements has to do with the other side of the ball. The offense has regressed. Special teams, probably the weakest of the three last season, is better in terms of kicking but still not much in the return game.

Would I tear this team down and start over? No. In fact, I think that would be a dumb move.

Now the offense alone, that's a different story...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 3, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Saying that skins don't have the personnel to run a wco is an invalid point. One could argue that they didn't have the personnel to run the power running / vertical passing game. Shoot, the skins offense was only a little bit better than it is now. Who's fault is that, Jim Zorn's? Joe Gibb's? Nope. With Moss and Randal El the passing game should be stellar. But it's not, because we have a good college qb, not a pro. We also have a journeyman o-line, which can't even get our running game going. We also rewarded our overrated FB mike sellers with a contract extension who drops crucial throws and was requested to be benched by our running back. Yeah, this is great personnel management. *Palm to face*

Posted by: BMACattack | November 3, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Cooley's not on anybody's safe list til he does something about that hair.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Cooly has peaked, huh?

For the Redskins, maybe...

Trade Chris Cooley and watch him flourish.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

You get an actual coach in here, and you'll see how talented this team actually is. Prime example (as stated earlier) Gregg Williams in New Orleans. All of a sudden those high draft picks start looking like high draft picks down there (Will Smith, Charles Grant, Sederick Ellis, Jonathan Vilma, Tracy Porter, etc.). That was a talented defense last year. They just didn't have the coach to put them in the proper position.

Conversely, check out the Baltimore defense that lost Rex Ryan. They were neck-and-neck with Pitt last season for tops in the league, now they're hovering around the middle of the pack. All that talent is still there, but the mastermind behind it is gone.

No other sport is as affected by coaching than football. And it's evident with this team.

Posted by: psps23 | November 3, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Blache is an a-hole. Haynesworth CLEARLY makes the D better and has a direct effect on guys around him (Carter) producing more. Why can't he just give the man credit. These coaches are egotistical, whether he's going off the field or not when he's in there he's full throttle and wreaks havoc! Blache needs to attack more, move his corners up and let his BEST pash rusher put his hand in the dirt every down instead of trying to force him to play LB, which Orakpo has clearly stated he's not comfortable with! Another aspect of dumb & dumber's mis-managment when it comes to decisions. There's no reason why Gregg Williams shouldn't be doing what he is doing in New Orleans here as the HEAD COACH! It's Sickening!

Posted by: LaLa12 | November 3, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

About Cooley's hair.

His wife is a professional hair stylist, correct?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

LaLa12 is sick.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If we had WRs who were performing well....Cooooley's #s wouldn't be where their at. He's used to much as a dump off.

He was much better as an H-Back coming out of the backfield. Same as Sellers...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Note: that theory applies to both sides of the ball. I wasn't using GG and Rex Ryan to insinuate a criticism of the defense. That point was more about the offensive inefficiency.

Posted by: psps23 | November 3, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I think cooley's # s would be better if the team had a better line and JC would get the ball to him down field more.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 3, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Saying that skins don't have the personnel to run a wco is an invalid point. One could argue that they didn't have the personnel to run the power running / vertical passing game. Shoot, the skins offense was only a little bit better than it is now. Who's fault is that, Jim Zorn's? Joe Gibb's? Nope. With Moss and Randal El the passing game should be stellar

You cant be serious are you? I dont know how much JC would be with a better o line, but his receivers are average on a good day.You build your system around your personnel. The attempt to move to the WCO without making serious upgrades shows the arrogance and ignorance of the FO. Moss/Randle El and stellar passing game...Priceless

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | November 3, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

If we had WRs who were performing well....Cooooley's #s wouldn't be where their at. He's used to much as a dump off.

He was much better as an H-Back coming out of the backfield. Same as Sellers...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that Moss is really a #2 masquerading as a #1. He just isn't big enough to challenge defenders for the ball. Moss has to be wide open in order to make a play. Almost every other team in the league has a primary receiver over 6 foot. Most of them are 6-3 6-4. If they are in single coverage they are open.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 3, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate, Cooley was on my safe roster.

4th, you're wrong about Cooley being a bad blocker. [Also, did you notice I had last night's game right both ways? Saints to win, but Atlanta to cover in the Coffee Flats?]

brownwood and etrod, Landry at strong safety would be sick. You guys have lost all lust for mayhem. In an uncapped year, Skins can rebuild, but its straight trad (is that euphemistic enough?) to unload players that function (right attitude, not too old, consistent or at least young and major upside). Uncapped means dead cap space doesn't matter. Peyton Manning to start, Tom Brady to back him up.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse


"He was much better as an H-Back coming out of the backfield..."


Well, he's gone for now.

And it's time for the Fred "The Flying Tight End" Davis Show.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Why would Blache say something so obviously stupid?

Of course Al is making guys around him better.

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2009 8:35 AM |

It's the dude's meds talking. He'll retire after 2009 and team up with Sherm to call Bingo games instead of D and O plays.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | November 3, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Moe, that thing about Fred Davis jumping just looks straight trad. I will take a caught ball with an unnecessary jump over a dropped ball any day of the week though.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

i feel so sorry for Soup and the team he ends up with next year....Another system he has to learn...woe is me

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 10:56 AM

First off has he ever really "learned" any system? And, second, maybe this time he'll end up in the system that is right for his style: One where you look at a receiver from the time the ball is snapped until he gets open, then after he proves he's open for three steps you throw it .... three yards over his head.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"About Cooley's hair. His wife is a professional hair stylist, correct?"


And after looking at her hair--and everything else on her--I'm sure that's why he married her, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm not that serious about The Owner being able to really open up his wallet in an uncapped year. I still think that this team is so over-leveraged that he HAS to charge, overcharge, and sell ad space and naming rights for everything. ["And now its time for the Cialis First TV Time Out of the 2nd quarter ...."] Next year's roster will be charged to the guy's Discover Card.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 if you are referring to getting FA OL players then you are correct. What I'm saying is that they could've signed Haynesworth and still drafted OL players (Oher, Meredith,etc), which is the way that most thought they should've done. All I'm saying is that the Haynesworth signing didn't exclude the skins from having a more dynamic OL.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

But is he a $12M a year difference maker?

If we had an offense that was NFL-adequate, I think the answer would be yes.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 7:24 AM

The theory behind the AH $$$ hire was that with him the D would get more turnovers, something they were lacking in 2008. Unfortunately the turnover pic has worsened in 2009.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | November 3, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Even Cooley has been making fun of the blond hair I hear. Maybe she did it for practice.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 3, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

You cant be serious are you? I dont know how much JC would be with a better o line, but his receivers are average on a good day.You build your system around your personnel. The attempt to move to the WCO without making serious upgrades shows the arrogance and ignorance of the FO. Moss/Randle El and stellar passing game...Priceless

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | November 3, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

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The front office knew they needed to make serious upgrades to receiving squad. IMO the jury is still out on the players they drafted to do so. Because it going that route they neglected improving an aging and injury prone offensive line. Which is definitely the major over-riding problem with the offense.

Difficult to run any system in the NFL if you can't block.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 3, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Both Cooley and Yoder bleached their hair white ... didn't really work out so well for Cooley though, luck-wise.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm not that serious about The Owner being able to really open up his wallet in an uncapped year. I still think that this team is so over-leveraged that he HAS to charge, overcharge, and sell ad space and naming rights for everything.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:19 AM |

Agree to agree on this! The guy has had some serious financial setbacks -- Six Flags bankruptcy and Johnny Rocket's has to be losing money. I think one of the reasons he chose Zorn for coach is that Zorn would work for the league minimum for coaches. And he refused to give Blache a salary increase after he made him DC.

This is where the Post could actually do some serious reporting, although I guess it's a lot easier to rehash the 2008 draft and quote "league sources." Like me.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

So what's better, 2 average linemen like Derrick Dockery and Casey Rabach, or one dominant player Albert Haynesworth?

I'll take Haynesworth 7 days a week.

Posted by: psps23 | November 3, 2009 10:55 AM


You do that.

Let me know how that works out.

Right now it's working out to the tune of 2-5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the jury ever came in on Devin Thomas. I think that drafting him where they did was an unnecessary flyer ... same thing with Fred Davis (except with the benefit of hindsight). Malcolm Kelly should have been the only receiver picked there. The other two should have been turned into choices for a defensive end or an offensive tackle or even a corner. Jansen was on his down side well before that draft (as was Springs) ... and we all remember the Jason Taylor debacle.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Maybe there's a disease that afflicts RFAs-in-an-uncapped-year.
Campbell is playing himself into a "they won't even tender me" position, and Carlos continues to play with his Hulk Hands.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 8:42 AM |

The disease is called "I wants out real bad".

Posted by: BlackBagOps | November 3, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Even Cooley has been making fun of the blond hair I hear. Maybe she did it for practice.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 3, 2009 11:22 AM

I hope he didn't pay full price for it.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Would I tear this team down and start over? No. In fact, I think that would be a dumb move.

Now the offense alone, that's a different story...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 3, 2009 10:59 AM


What would be dumb about it? By the time you have the offense anywhere in the neighborhood of efficient, the defense will be past its prime (you know, the whole "building thru free agency" thing) and in need of a rebuild. So why not just save yourself 3-5 years and just blow the whole thing up?

This team doesn't need a band-aid. It needs surgery. Anything less than a FULL rebuilding is just lying to yourself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to change my tone on the WR corp. I think MK12 is still a long way from being a good player, but Devin Thomas looks to be adequate, and Fred Davis is showing that he's a very talented receiver from the TE spot. Shocker, Sherm Lewis calls plays, and Devin Thomas and Fred Davis both found themselves wide open in the endzone. We hadn't had a wide open receiver in the endzone since Terence Newman slipped and fell while covering James Thrash at Dallas last season.

Of course, that still doesn't justify the simple fact that Davis still can't see meaningful playing time until Cooley gets injured.

Posted by: psps23 | November 3, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

You do that.

Let me know how that works out.

Right now it's working out to the tune of 2-5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 11:26 AM

It takes an imbecile to try to pin the 2-5 record on Haynesworth. Oh, never mind.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

poop poop

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

dfbovey


I agree with you concerning the blocking. I also think that Santana always get a pass because of JC's inconsistency. He dropped a great td pass that hit him in the hands. If nothing else may have made the game more interesting. The good news is that DT11 showed some signs of life. Hopefully they will go o line in the first next year instead of Bradford/Clausen.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | November 3, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

This team doesn't need a band-aid. It needs surgery. Anything less than a FULL rebuilding is just lying to yourself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

We don't have the resources for a full rebuild. We would have to have some players that we can trade for picks. The only guys we have that are worth anything are guys we wouldn't want to get rid of. I'd rather just rebuild the offense in the next two drafts and make a run.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 3, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Right now it's working out to the tune of 2-5.

Posted by: brownwood26"

Which suggests that if the skins had brought in two more Rabach/Dockery caliber players, this team would be better off.

I'll be the first to give a NFW to that notion.

You want to put blame somewhere, put it on the guys being paid and NOT performing. I'd venture a guess to say there are 50-100 players in this league with at least as big of a cap hit as Haynesworth for the Redskins. Signing him was not the problem. It's the guys being paid like stars but playing like garbage that's making the difference.

Posted by: psps23 | November 3, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This is not to suggest, however, that Carter, Tryon and other defensive players do not deserve most of the credit for their success/improvement. Obviously, they do.

By: JReid

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Huh?? Whaaa?

But that's exactly what you're saying.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 9:20 AM

ditto...WTF...please put someone on this beat that knows something about football and they can articulate their opinion!!!!! better than me!!!!!!!!!!!

also...it does seem like skins has become a cash cow for wapo...but it feels like we're stuck with second stringers when it comes to reporters and columnist aside from mr. boz of course. c'mon!!! wapo's sports editor=vinny!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 3, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

People asking how would camp be with a better line, he has had 3 different quality lines this season. Here are their stats.

Line was healthy games 1 and 2 JC's stats were:
42/61 passes complete 68% 7.4 yards per attempt 1.6 TD% 1.6 Int% 226 yards per game 89 QBR 3 sacks

Then they lost Randy Thomas. And for the next 3 games he was:
56/86 passes complete 65%, 7.6 yards per attempt 5.8 TD% 4.6 Int% 218 yards per game 88 QBR 10 sacks

So I think its fair to say the loss of Thomas was not significant except the jump in sacks, however then they lost Chris Samuels Game 5, so for the last 2 games he went

38/59 passes complete 64%, 6.3 yards per attempt 3.4 TD% 3.4 Int% 186 yards per game 79 QBR 7 sacks and he got benched in one of these games

So it dropped down a bit after losing CS. Also he looks rattled last 2 games

Posted by: alex35332 | November 3, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The guy most upset about the Hayensworth deal is Anthony Montegomery.

You have to imagine he thought he'd get more time of the field and thus, a big pay day due his over all improvement since he became a redskin.

But with Big Al in the house, Montegomery doesn't really get field time, and thus, may not get the paycheck that come with that.

He'll get released, wind up else where, and after all his redskin grooming, become a player for another franchise: I call it, the Redskin Way of doing business.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 9:53 AM


I dont think they will release A. Montgomery, cuz I could see them releasing Griffith in the off season and use A. Monty, Gholston and AH, with Carter, Jarmon, C. Wilson and Orakpo, would make a damn good DL with younger guys.

I also dont think it matters with Blache, I think he will retire after the season and be done with the Snyder/ Skins crap for good.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 3, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

as far as the Redskins are concerned, WHATEVER!
Bottom line Haynesworth has made a ton of difference and Blatche needs to retire he has no clue how to effectively use his personnel specifically Orakpo and finding someone to be the strong side linebacker.

Whe you watch other good teams they provide blitzes at least twice a series they understand you cannot allow professional quarterbacks to just sit in the pocket..Again WTF Ever concerning the Skins

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | November 3, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

another reason Carter has sacks because he's on the field for 45 minutes a game cause the offense turns the ball over or goes 3 and out on every possession.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"What would be dumb about it?"

So many things....

If you've got one of the better defenses in the League -- which the numbers suggest the Skins do -- then you're already in position to win, and win soon, provided the other aspects of the game don't beat you.

Correcting special teams problems isn't an insuperable challenge. Nor is it terribly expensive. You can do it in a single offseason.

It's the offense that's the weak spot. So what do you need to fix the offense?

One season of throwing as much $$ at that side as you did at the defense.

That's FAs and draft choices.

Then patience while they learn to play together as a unit.

And good play-calling.

If the defense was a shambles, it would be a different story. But it isn't.

If you subscribe to the notion that three quarters of NFL games are lost by one team rather than 'won' by the other, then the goal isn't to excel in every aspect of the game. It's to play at the top level in at least one aspect and acceptably (and preferably, error-free) in the others.

Anybody really think Pittsburgh had the best o-line in the NFL last season?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 3, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

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