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A Win Would Be Step 1 for Redskins

As much as it pains me to write this, Washington Post columnist Mike Wise has written an excellent piece about the situation with Redskins Coach Jim Zorn.

From Wise's reporting, he expressed confidence owner Daniel Snyder would not fire Zorn on Monday. For a change, Wise got it right.

Of course, Wise also wrote that Zorn needs a win over the Detroit Lions. I definitely agree with that as well.

Things have been tense here at Redskins Park all week after the 9-7 victory over the St. Louis Rams at FedEx Field, and you can almost feel the heat around Zorn. Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, have not said anything publicly about Zorn's job status, but that doesn't matter.

The team is 3-7 in its last 10 games and has struggled to score against, well, every opponent for a long stretch now. Regardless of how you view things, it's bad for Zorn.

Regular readers of the Insider know where I stand. There are major deficiencies on this roster, and there have been for a long, long time. If Zorn, Zorn's offense and Zorn's play-calling were the whole problem, then why have these problems been around for so long?

The Redskins have had five head coaches (plus an interim) over the past 10 years, and many of the same problems remain.

Is Zorn a great coach? I have no idea. I know a lot of fans have already reached their own conclusions, but 18 games overall, and two this season, are not enough of a sample to render judgment.

From my dealings with Zorn, I believe he is a good, hard-working man. He has many good coaches on his staff, and most of the players approach their jobs with professionalism and determination. It's not as if they want to lose or struggle to score.

On Sunday, the Redskins really need to beat a team that has lost 19 straight games. They need to score enough points (do I hear a 30?) to inspire confidence in a frustrated fan base.

We'll find out Sunday whether that will happen, but I really believe Zorn and the Redskins will surprise people and at least do enough to relieve some of the pressure this week.

By Jason Reid  |  September 24, 2009; 2:48 PM ET
Categories:  Jason Reid  
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Numero uno

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

We'll see...

Posted by: johntaylor2 | September 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Detroit will not get teir FIRST win Sunday

Posted by: shanteefamilee | September 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

What? You expect skins fans to be rational and reasonable in their judgement of Zorn? What a novel concept. Many of the same pro JC bloggers are not so eager to give coach the same LONG leash JC has had. You are so right Reid to point out the deficiencies have been the consistent theme for 10 years now. Give Zorn 5 years and see where he is, until then sit back and try to enjoy the painful to watch brand of football our beloved Skins play now.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 24, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

NFL is about winning.
NFL is about playoffs.
Sorry, Coach. Ya gotta go.

Posted by: freeaccess1 | September 24, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd be content if we can put up 21 points (and win). 30 would be a dream come true. As long as we show noticeable improvement.

Posted by: REXskins | September 24, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the problems of 10 years ago under Norv Turner are much different than those of today. Norv's teams could score points (wasn't there like a 52 point game against the Giants in 1999?), but the defense stank and always seemed to give up big plays at the end of games (back when Mike Nolan was the D-Coordinator). So yeah, problems way different there, Reid. Check yourself, bro.

And I don't see how you can say that the whole roster is deficient of talent. The defense is loaded, just loaded with talent. And so is the offense. Just not the offensive line, which is the same old stuff from you we ALREADY KNOW ABOUT.

Posted by: hithere1 | September 24, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

NFL is about winning.
NFL is about playoffs.
Sorry, Coach. Ya gotta go.

Posted by: freeaccess1

They haven't won in years and years. What makes you think with this talent they have coach number 6 (I think) in 10 years will be the answer? Notice Reid wrote MOST players approach their job as professionals. Until the owner gives a coach and a GM preferably two different people, the authority to kick thos few malcontents in their a**'es, then we're stuck with same old same old.....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 24, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Dream .Dream thrity points ? right sorry guys dead skins loss to lions and the next game to the Bucs as well

Let the coaching searsh beging

Posted by: joevick | September 24, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

A loss or another unconvincing win will spell doom for the Zorn era.

Z-man, we hardly knew ye.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

knee-jerk reaction by the jerk knee'd owner

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 24, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Certainly the problems are older and deeper than Zorn so he shouldn't shoulder all the blame maybe not even most of it but who he is has to be reflected in the players and so the last 3-7 with losses to Cincy and SF is not impressive. A great coach gets his players to play out of their minds and beyond their abilities. A good coach gets their players to play up to their abilities. An average coach gets their players to play and beat teams who are worse than them but as often as not lose to teams who are on par and teams who are better. Zorn is in that last category it seems so far.

Beating Detroit even by a lot of points will NOT and should NOT be a surprise. Given the woes of the Lions beating them is what you are supposed to do and it is supposed to be a little easier than beating just about any other team.

Posted by: sfskin | September 24, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"They need to score enough points (do I hear a 30?) to inspire confidence in a frustrated fan base."

Golly f'n gee...

Coulda sworn I've been saying this all week.. Beat the Lions like they're the Detroit Lions, and I'll be beaming with freakin' confidence. I mean hoping, and somewhat expecting for two TDs and to win by no less than 13 shouldn't be completely unfathomable, right?

Actually, yes.

Asking for a TD or two according to some fans, is like asking the offense to perform open heart surgery.

According to one fan (can't remember handle), we should take the three points, sit in the corner and shut up. Like it's being superfluous as a fan to want a TD.

My math sucks, but I think three is more than six.

I'm not too much better a probabilities either, but I sort of think that if you score more TDs than your opponent you may win the game too.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

No joke about the math sucking, but my co-worker says that three is actually less than six.

Any one knoow where I can go for remedial math?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

knee-jerk reaction by the jerk knee'd owner


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 24, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I think the skins fan base and the owner are finally on the same page..YIKES!

Posted by: overzealous08 | September 24, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too much better a probabilities either, but I sort of think that if you score more TDs than your opponent you may win the game too.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank you John Madden.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 24, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Step 2? Put your junk in that box....

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 24, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The Media acts like we haven't been fans for the last 10 years.....

NO WAY Snyder fires before the end of the season. Book it!

The last time he fired someone was in 2001.

So, I don't get all these innuendos the Media keeps throwing?!? And the public keeps buying into it.

Let's jump off this negativity bandwagon on focus on the season. Starting this Sunday when we beat Detriot!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

As I posted earlier, if Montgomery wins the job then it's simply a statement that Rhino is virtually a complete bust. What does it say if your only real option at backup Center is your best option at backup Guard?

To elaborate on Jason's point about the defficiency of the roster - we now have a RT that hasn't shown much, now a RG who won't inspire much confidence, a Center who showed he was vastly overmatched against larger physical nose guards last year, a good LG and a LT who's very good but is at a point where he gets injured almost every year. And now with no backup at any position leaves us really scrambling. An injury now, to say Samuels, and I guess we'd be looking at "wheels off."

Now look at the Ravens (I have no personal interest in them) - they got an anchor LT in the supplemental draft last year Geither(who we could have gotten with the pick we used for Kevin Barnes)and an anchor RT Michael Oher who we passed on to get eye candy Orakpo. Yeah Orakpo looks like a beast but hard to see the team holding all its opponents to 7 points every week and winning much with NO offensive line.

Posted by: thinker11 | September 24, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"...but 18 games overall, and two this season, are not enough of a sample to render judgment. "

I agree. Impatience on the part of both management AND the fans I think is a bad combination. If it's not the management making poor roster decisions, then its the fans booing under-performance.

I just realized...You know what this reminds me of? Ford, GM, and Chrysler. They keep introducing new models after another, but they should keep it simple and nurture what they've got. No growth or continuity.

Patience is needed in cultivating a good team. And while Redskins fans like myself are understandably low on patience, it is necessary to simply hold on.

For me the jury is out on Zorn & Campbell.

The team has talent, but also with severe deficiencies (O-Line). That is not Zorn or Campbell's fault. Flacco & Manning have a great o-line protecting them.

Which leaves me with Danny & Vinny.

If we fire Zorn, drop Campbell, then hire a new coach with a new system...guess what folks, at best, you're looking at another 2 to 3 years of adjusting to the new system. And who knows what talent we lose when we start from scratch AGAIN.

So, either way, we just have to relax and maybe even cheer for them.

Posted by: torington | September 24, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

NFL is about winning.
NFL is about playoffs.
Sorry, Coach. Ya gotta go.

Posted by: freeaccess1

Damn, and I thought the NFL was an elaborate plot to distract the american public from our real problems at home. Like our crippling lug-nut problem

Posted by: alex35332 | September 24, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

(i believe he came to college as a safety, but don't quote me on that)
Posted by: SFcapsfan | September 24, 2009 2:11 PM


I will quote you on that just cuz I can.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH


In you face

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 3:12 PM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

lots of folks forecasting the lions to knock off the skins. lots of half-hearted fans saying the skins will flop and zorn will be fired by the bye week.
im saying why root for em without any faith? gotta support our team. booing and naysaying is counterproductive.
im saying they win three in a row.
im saying they go into the eagles game 4-2.
im saying they upset the eagles!
im saying their inexperienced line clicks.
im saying the younger guys on the OL show some speed and agility in the trenches.
im saying the offense starts to click, and put it in the redzone.
im saying orakpo starts to become dominant along with haynesworth.
im saying they end up 9-7 or 10-6 and make the playoffs with a wildcard.
im saying zorn keeps his job.
im saying just like joe gibbs did once upon a time, zorn finds his way after a rough start and becomes the man.
im saying i have faith.
cause what else is there to do?

HAIL.

Posted by: faithnskins | September 24, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Offensive line coach Joe Bugel doesn't expect a dropoff with whichever unproven player, Chad Rinehart or Will Montgomery, replaces injured veteran right guard Randy Thomas.

The decision will likely be made tomorrow.

"The two kids vying for that position have been battling their rear ends off," Bugel said. "They're both tough guys. Either one of those kids, we won't lose a beat. They're both good players"

Although Rinehart hasn't played a snap in a regular season game, Bugel raved about his performance alongside the starters in the preseason opener against the ferocious Baltimore Ravens defense.

The longtime line coach also praised Montgomery's play last Sunday against St. Louis after Thomas was hurt. Montgomery, who played at Centreville High and Virginia Tech, is with his third team in four years following stints with Carolina and the Jets.

Bugel said that both Rinehart and Montgomery will play -- "flip a coin, heads, you, tails, you, that's about it" -- before backing off from that statement, saying that whoever doesn't get the nod has to be ready to go in at a moment's notice.

And Bugel said that he's concerned that starting Montgomery could affect two positions since he's the top backup to center Casey Rabach and left guard Derrick Dockery.

As for Rinehart, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft, Bugel said, "[Chad's]'s a different person from last year. In the offseason, he built himself [up]. He went to the powerlifting. he came back bigger, stronger and he's more confident."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't montgomery get overpowered for a sack on the play that Moss was open deep down the field??

Gotta go with Rhinhart, time to find out what you've got...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Not to hijack the mayor's post but have you checked out the video on NFL.com where Zorn and Campbell are miked up? Live.

Really good stuff (forgive me if I'm late becuase it was the first time I've seen this)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d812dca56/Sound-FX-A-QBs-tutelage

Posted by: overzealous08 | September 24, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Gotta have faith, faith, faith
I gotta have faith.

It's true. It's either total doom and gloom or faith. I'm watching and rooting Sunday no matter what so may as well buy some Kool Aid and put on the burgundy and gold glasses even if it's only for 3 hours.

HTTR!!

Posted by: sfskin | September 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Montgomery has the starts under his belt - go with that.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

F 3-7

We're 1-1 This Year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

i'm saying you have been drinking or smokin that wacky-tobacky

Posted by: shally | September 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The problems are decidedly different than they were 10 years ago, and they're decidedly different than they were last year.

Ten years ago, we had a top 2 offense and a crappyass defense that let us down with big plays.

Last year, we had a 3-and-out offense that rested on the run and struggled in the air, and a no-turnover defense that led the league in 3 and outs forced.

This season, we have a ball-movement offense through the air that struggles on the ground and can't punch it in from inside the 10, and a bend but don't break, long-drive allowing, timely turnover based defense.

All 3 situations are isolated and have isolated problems. THIS team's problem is not talent. THIS team's problems are securing the final piece of the puzzle; getting the last 7-8 yards to get it in the endzone, and keeping opposing offenses off the field by shutting down 3rd downs. Those are two critical areas, but they're also the two FINAL areas that lead to greatness. Everything else is working soundly.

When Clinton Portis said this team was only a "play away" -- he wasn't lying. Five separate times we had 1st and goal from inside the 10. The defense has allowed 11.5 points per game so far. Even our special teams is damn near perfect. It's literally on the cusp.

Yet we have morons on here predicting a Lions win.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes there have been a lot of problems with this team over the last 10 years and they pretty much all tem from the top. That little weasel in the front office is the root of all the problems. That being said Zorn is an absolutely terrible play caller and we seem to get out coached game after game after game with him in there even games they won.

Posted by: gooch0001 | September 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"A Win Would Be Step 1 for Redskins"---

That's soooo last week.
This week, it's "A Win While Actually Scoring, How You Say, 'The Touchdown(s)' Would Be Step 2 For Redskins."

Posted by: 4-12 | September 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

thinker11's analysis only touches on the way the Ravens have built their offensive line. If you look at the entire way the Ravens organization is structured from its ownership, front office, coach, and players, it's readily apparent why the Redskins have been mediocre for 10 years and the Ravens have been a perennial playoff team and contender without having to constantly change coaches.

Until Snyder gets rid of Vinny and turns over the running of the football operations to a real "GM", the Redskins will continue to turn over coaches, QB's, and players. The Redskins approach hasn't worked for 10 years since Casserly left. Why would it start to work now?

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 24, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

i do not believe what JR suggests.

Posted by: carsonspence | September 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

rhino starts. zorn finally lets the young kids play and they impress. i feel optimistic about this one.

Posted by: brian58 | September 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

agreed, bean, Rhino is the best pick this weekend. Listening to 106.7 -- Lavar just said M. Williams is out of practice with a stomach bug. This guy is a very big question mark and being out as much as he has does not help.

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

sfskin - leave the swine flu at home though.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Detroit is ranked higher then the rams on defense in total yards allowed (27th), passing and rushing yards allowed(24th and 22nd). Not to mention Detroit is ranked 17th overall averaging 20 points a game, where as the Redskins are ranked 31st with 13 points a game. That is only one spot above the Rams who are last in the league with 3.5 points a game. What makes you think we are going to do enough to relieve some of the pressure against a team that is statistically better then a team we could not score a touchdown against, and only beat by 2 points?

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | September 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Glad we have Aldridge back - I have a feeling he's going to break a couple for us. Hope they're putting through all kinds of ball security drills.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

brook, at some point you've got to see what CRhino brings to the team, you've got to get some type of ROI (return on investment)from this cat, find out if he can play in this league...if he can play, then you just got younger at RG, and you convince Thomas to retire......or you jansen him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Did Spurrier jump or was he pushed? Can't remember the exact details at the moment...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 24, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

jumped....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

LB changes:

Does this move mean HENSON's days as a REDSKIN are numbered? I mean, evidently YOUNG was not going to challenge for the active roster, so let's keep somebody in reserve who can pick off some of the low-hanging fruit on the 53 man. Just sayin'.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 24, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

They probably wind up going with Chad then sub him if he struggles too much.

Need to bring back Bridges though - what did he do to get cut? Must have done something pretty bad I didn't noticing anything egregious in his play.

Moving Heyer to the left if Samuels goes down is not a solution.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

4th - it may be me and the swine flu rooting and tooting together but root we shall.

Hey figure it can't get much 'worse' so why not go for broke on Sunday in terms of play calling and seeing what we can do. Air it out. Use all the weapons we have. Why not. If we're not willing to go ball$ out against the Lions then what the he!! are we doing?

Posted by: sfskin | September 24, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to watch the NFL Films on Zorn and Campbell.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d812dca56/Sound-FX-A-QBs-tutelage

Posted by: jrenn2114 | September 24, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

getting some immediate production from CR would be huge. We could groom him for starting next year, drop Thomas--which we can take the cap hit on cuz it's an uncapped year--and then use FA/draft to get younger still at o line.

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The problems are decidedly different than they were 10 years ago, and they're decidedly different than they were last year.

Ten years ago, we had a top 2 offense and a crappyass defense that let us down with big plays.

Last year, we had a 3-and-out offense that rested on the run and struggled in the air, and a no-turnover defense that led the league in 3 and outs forced.

This season, we have a ball-movement offense through the air that struggles on the ground and can't punch it in from inside the 10, and a bend but don't break, long-drive allowing, timely turnover based defense.

All 3 situations are isolated and have isolated problems. THIS team's problem is not talent. THIS team's problems are securing the final piece of the puzzle; getting the last 7-8 yards to get it in the endzone, and keeping opposing offenses off the field by shutting down 3rd downs. Those are two critical areas, but they're also the two FINAL areas that lead to greatness. Everything else is working soundly.

When Clinton Portis said this team was only a "play away" -- he wasn't lying. Five separate times we had 1st and goal from inside the 10. The defense has allowed 11.5 points per game so far. Even our special teams is damn near perfect. It's literally on the cusp.

Yet we have morons on here predicting a Lions win.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse
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There are people everywhere predicting a Lions win. JLC is predicting the same, though that doesn't surprise me in the least. I can't really blame them - they believe they are witnessing a total meltdown, but don't realize that the team hasn't fallen apart - just the local media and the fans.

If they continue to struggle around the endzone like they have so far, the game will be close, and they certainly could lose. If they are moderately better, they should win by 7-14 or so. If they excel, it won't be close.

Which we get is anyone's guess, but I'd think we won't see a repeat of last week, at least.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 24, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Redskins is not with Jim Zorn or Zorn's play calling, it is with the Redskins organization and the people who run things: mainly Dan Snyder and his adoring pupil Vinny Cerrato.

If Zorn all of a sudden becomes another "boneheaded" coach who needs to be fired, perhaps Mr. Snyder ought to look at the two boneheads who were so "perceptive" that they hired him.

We've had Shottenheimer here and we have had Gibbs here and it never seems to work. We can birng in Shanahan or Cowher or somebody else and it still won't work, as long as the organization is run by Snyder, i.e. as long as he has a hand in trying to put an NFL team together. Because he does not have a clue.

If Snyder fires Zorn, it will be just another mask for his own deficiencies.

If I was Zorn and I even got an inkling that I might get fired mid-way through the season (with the aging and lack of depth offensive line I have been provided, and not having multiple receivers to stretch the field with), I would tell Mr. Snyder to take his job and put it where the moon don't shine. But alas, it won't happen that way.

Posted by: cannontl | September 24, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The only reason there are questions about Rhino is because he has never seen real playing time. But at some point you gotte let Rhino's fly the nest.....

PLUS....Williams is the backup Center/LG. So he is too valuable to start @ RG and get injured.....

Let common sense lead your mind, not the media.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I get cold sweats realizing AA is on this team. I keep having nightmares about footballs flying through space and being gobbled up by opposing players. I'm afraid he's going to make up an entire low-light STEVE SABOL reel all by himself. Cover up for Christ's sakes when you're gonna' be hit. This isn't college. You're not gonna' cause people to miss tackling you just because of your "superhuman" speed.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 24, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Does bringing back Aldridge help address the right side of the line (which if you're designing a blitz ain't a bad place to start) with the threat of delays, draws, screens on 3rd down?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

At least Zorn has yet to get Danny's "vote of confidence". That's the precusor to "the death blow". Haven't we seen this movie before?

Posted by: DCV1 | September 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

4th, seems pretty cut and dried to me as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Did Spurrier jump or was he pushed? Can't remember the exact details at the moment...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 24, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

jumped....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 3:43 PM

I think he actually swung with his driver.....or putted....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

4th floor:

I thought MONTGOMERY was the back-up center not WILLIAMS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"The only reason there are questions about Rhino is because he has never seen real playing time"

Why hasnt he seen real playing time? He is 3rd round pick on a team thin at oline.

Posted by: divi3 | September 24, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Rhino has to be the guy. I also wish they would have just named the starter so they could get full practice reps and start building some chemistry.

Oh well.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

We need a new offensive line. One that can establish a downhill running game, not this zone side to side crap. Casey Rabach sucks and has for awhile.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'll Jansen your azz.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to watch the NFL Films on Zorn and Campbell.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d812dca56/Sound-FX-A-QBs-tutelage

Posted by: jrenn2114 | September 24, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I think most of us have what is your take?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 24, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Spurrier: "5 & 11... not very good."

- - -
No other back I'd rather have (from what we have) running out of the flat than Alridge. Not a bad dump-off option for JC at all.

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

4th floor:

I thought MONTGOMERY was the back-up center not WILLIAMS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 24, 2009 3:51 PM

You got it right. I F'd up.

Like I'm gonna F up RedDMV if he don't get back in line!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Reid, now yer reaching. Its not about the number of points. Its about effort and performing like professionals. Snyder and Cerrato have Zorn's back for now...and they both realize that firing him now will NOT produce quality results the rest of this season. Here is another thing... Zorn won't make his decision based on WTF Cerrato thinks about either player. Use your head, Cerrato is responsible for both of them being on the roster.

Not sure how much of a team's failure to play with intelligence, discipline and professionalism is a reflection on the coaching staff. All of it? Half? None? a)Should Zorn be lighting people up for failure to stay on sides etc etc? b)Should he rethink his redzone strategy mid game after two of his SKILL players drop TD passes? My answer is a) YES and b) NO.

DT11 is a physically talented loser in the truest sense of the word. Sellers just got paid last week and then drops a TD. Crap, The Squire would have run both of them Sunday night and he'd have been right. No big mike on the roster? Its simple: Get somebody else, or don't run those plays anymore.

I do know that the Redskins have ENOUGH talent across the roster to win against any team in the League... if they play mental error free football and make the makeable professional plays.

I've excoriated Zorn as much as anybody else for the glaringly silly play calls, but at some point the players have to think and act like pros for 60 minutes. Its as simple as that. They play like azz again this week, the music stops, and they run run run run, and then bang heads everyday for three or four hours. NFLPA crybabies are on the street the next day. F it. There is a reason SFO is playing better this year and his name is Mike who decided their BS wasn't good enough and would no longer be accepted. If I'm Zorn, I unleash the azzhole card he SHOULD have buried in his back pocket and go down swinging.

If I'm Snyder and I run Zorn, I start dumping overpaid non performers all over the League and build a warchest of draft picks. Running him now would be admitting that it is time to truly burn down the house and rebuild from the ground up. Half measures gain nothing.

Ain't gonna happen. I think they'll "get it". They better.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not the main problem. This team will always be terrible as long as Dan Snyder keeps his buddy Cerrato employed. He is the worst Player Personnel guy including all sports!!!

Posted by: TP56089 | September 24, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Is Zorn the whole problem with the Redskins? No. There are some personnel problems. Every team has personnel problems. Most coaches figure out ways to coach around their deficiencies and maximize their strengths. Does Zorn do this? No. Firing Zorn will not make the offensive line better, but a new coach might be more creative in covering this deficiency like, for instance, using unbalanced lines. Firing Zorn will not make Jason Campbell a better leader in the huddle, but maybe a new coach will unchain that cannon for an arm and let him stretch defenses. No, firing Zorn won't make the players any better, but it might lead to getting a coach that can think outside the box.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 24, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Detroit is ranked higher then the rams on defense in total yards allowed (27th), passing and rushing yards allowed(24th and 22nd). Not to mention Detroit is ranked 17th overall averaging 20 points a game, where as the Redskins are ranked 31st with 13 points a game. That is only one spot above the Rams who are last in the league with 3.5 points a game. What makes you think we are going to do enough to relieve some of the pressure against a team that is statistically better then a team we could not score a touchdown against, and only beat by 2 points?

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | September 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, I'm going to go with the statistics you chose are pretty meaningless. You have a 2 game sample size there. I highly doubt we go 0-5 in the red zone again. That is very unlikely in one game and almost impossible 2 games in a row. We'll probably score 25-30 points and Stafford may end up with a broken spine. We beat Marc Bulger like a punching bag and the Lions offensive line is as bad or worse than the rams line. We can shut down 1 really good receiver. Al the Lions have is 1 really good receiver. They shouldn't score against us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Why hasnt he seen real playing time? He is 3rd round pick on a team thin at oline.


Posted by: divi3 | September 24, 2009 3:53 PM

Because no one was injured until this past SUnday. And now you will see him next sunday.

Just because you are a 3rd round pick doesn't give you automatic entry into the starting lineup....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that the take on that video has been positive on this blog all day long. I just turned on 106.7 and Chad Dukes is trying his d@mnedest to find a negative in that video.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 24, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"DT11 is a physically talented loser in the truest sense of the word. Sellers just got paid last week and then drops a TD. Crap, The Squire would have run both of them Sunday night and he'd have been right. No big mike on the roster? Its simple: Get somebody else, or don't run those plays anymore"

wow...so cut the pro-bowl FB and replace him with who?? And what kind of cap hit would that cause??

Stop posting, seriously, you're making a jackazz of yourself.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm Snyder and I run Zorn, I start dumping overpaid non performers all over the League and build a warchest of draft picks."

We had 10 picks in 2008, and so far have 1 productive player. 90% FAIL rate until Kelly and Rinehart become dependable NFL players. If they do.

Draft picks are only good if you have a good personnel guy doing the drafting

Posted by: divi3 | September 24, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I've excoriated Zorn as much as anybody else for the glaringly silly play calls, but at some point the players have to think and act like pros for 60 minutes. Its as simple as that. They play like azz again this week, the music stops, and they run run run run, and then bang heads everyday for three or four hours. NFLPA crybabies are on the street the next day. F it. There is a reason SFO is playing better this year and his name is Mike who decided their BS wasn't good enough and would no longer be accepted. If I'm Zorn, I unleash the azzhole card he SHOULD have buried in his back pocket and go down swinging.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn can pull a Mike Singletary. That's just not who he is. Mike is that guy, people respect him because he commands respect.

If Jim Zorn tried to pull this with the team he would lose any part of the locker room he has left.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 24, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Detroit is ranked higher then the rams on defense in total yards allowed (27th), passing and rushing yards allowed(24th and 22nd). Not to mention Detroit is ranked 17th overall averaging 20 points a game, where as the Redskins are ranked 31st with 13 points a game. That is only one spot above the Rams who are last in the league with 3.5 points a game. What makes you think we are going to do enough to relieve some of the pressure against a team that is statistically better then a team we could not score a touchdown against, and only beat by 2 points?

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | September 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Two games aren't enough of a sample for these stats to mean anything.

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 24, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Because no one was injured until this past SUnday. And now you will see him next sunday.

Just because you are a 3rd round pick doesn't give you automatic entry into the starting lineup...."

It's disconcerting to say the least that Rinehart was a complete dud in his rookie year, and then could not even push an aging, injured Randy Thomas for the starting job this year. A 3rd round pick at guard should be able to push a broken down vet whose best days are way behind him.

If Rinehart was talented like a 3rd round guard should be...he would have started this year, and Thomas would have been an awesome backup.

Good teams have starters being pushed by younger players, we went 2-6 to finish the year yet there were virtually no position battles.

Anyways, water under the bridge now, or Jeremy Bridges, depending on what you think of cutting him now.

All we can do is hope Rinehart steps up and performs

Posted by: divi3 | September 24, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

4th, see 3:54.

Bamaface.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Just because you are a 3rd round pick doesn't give you automatic entry into the starting lineup....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 4:03 PM

It should for ours.

Posted by: mack1 | September 24, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm going out on limb here, but...
I think it's the players that aren't very good.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | September 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

the wsj piece on the lions pretty much says that the lions pass defense is the worst ever created. well, this seems like an opportunity for zorn to finally see the young ones can do. im banking on him telling jc17 to just let it ride this weekend. zorn/campbell both are playing for their jobs, i think the best thing would be for zorn to just say "ive taught you what you need to know. you know what you need to do. go do it."

Posted by: brian58 | September 24, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The redskins always seem to be swimming upstream when it comes to sucessfull trends in the NFL. Build through the draft? No, trade for aged players and sign over the hill future hall of famers. Hire a young, innovative offensive or defensive minded coach? No, hire a guy who gets his first job at 55 is still hawking the 1990s west coast offense. What successful teams are still using the west coast offense (not hybrid system)?

Posted by: ppuglesi | September 24, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

i hope they throw it all over the field this Sunday, spread them out, and open it up, no reason that JC can't have 300 plus yards...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Just because you are a 3rd round pick doesn't give you automatic entry into the starting lineup....

Posted by: 4thFloor

If he and Montgomery are as close as the earlier post said than I would go with Rhinehart. I don't see what their dilemma is unless Montgomery's actually better than him.

Posted by: skinswest | September 24, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not the main problem. This team will always be terrible as long as Dan Snyder keeps his buddy Cerrato employed. He is the worst Player Personnel guy including all sports!!!

Posted by: TP56089 | September 24, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem is not Cerrato either. The problem is Snyder. Cerrato still has a job because he lets Snyder have a say in football operations. Snyder has a large ego and small self esteem. He surrounds himself with 'Yes' men. If anyone tells him 'No' they're out - See Schottenheimer, Marty.

Even Joe Gibbs, Snyder's boyhood idol played the roll of pacifier while letting Dan make big boy football decisions that he had no business making.

Until Snyder lets football people - even Cerrato - make football decisions, this team will continue to spin it's wheels.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

i hope they throw it all over the field this Sunday, spread them out, and open it up, no reason that JC can't have 300 plus yards...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Agreed bean. Kelly has at least 3-5 inches on any DB they have. This should be Kelly's coming out party.

Not to mention, DT is playing in front on family & friends. Get the youngsters the ball early & often!

Posted by: ksquare | September 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

4th, see 3:54.

Bamaface.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 4:11 PM

WTF is Jansen your SJK?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

F problems, I want some solutions!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Beaneater, You don't get it... F the cap hit, F the pro bowl player who can't catch the ball. We don't need him if he is going to fail to produce. We need guys who can make simple plays, every time. It hit him in both hands. Pros have to make that catch. Period.

And here is another thing: The only reason Sellers made the Probowl in the first place is because most teams don't employ a FB on a regular basis but the Pro Bowl ballots have not caught up to that fact.

Anybody asserting that Sellers is one of the best players skill or otherwise in the NFC is smoking crack, irrespective of who actually got voted to go. "Vote the Redskin ticket" ring a bell?

Lets assume he actually IS a Pro Bowl quality player. Even more reason to run him for failure to produce. The Redskins apparently need a fire lit under their their butts to perform, that should make it pretty damn clear what is acceptable and what is not.

Seen Vernon Davis play this year?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Beep-a-rino

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Skins just gotta loosen up. Go with the spear uniforms, wear white cleats, use mike williams in the backfield refrigerator-perry-style, have some fun.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 24, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

You know, other then the OL, we have some fairly talented players across the field. Part of the problem is that the team does not know what to expect from Danny, relative to what he will do. The team does not know from year to year who Danny will sign, if the coach will be fired, etc. That cannot possibly do any good in building a consistent year over year effort from the Redskins. It's not necessarily WHAT he does - he spends the money to bring the big free agents and he spared no effort to get Gibbs back, but there's no overall strategy, which means there is no overall team mission, which means that our tactics change, year over year, because there is no plan.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 24, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

NFL is about winning.
NFL is about playoffs.
Sorry, Coach. Ya gotta go.

Posted by: freeaccess1 | September 24, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse


uuuuhhhhh ya? so I guess all the other coaches who didn't make the playoffs in week 2 are going to be fired also.... calm down all you GM's out there Zorn is a good coach he didn't drop 2 td passes or fumble in the redzone. I love the way all you so called fans rip Snyder for making to many stupid snap decisions and here you all are in week 2 screaming Fire Zorn fire Zorn. To hire who Shanahan? no thank you, without Elway he sucked as a coach also. Sit Down shut up and support your team!!!!

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | September 24, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

4th dude, beantown made it up...

and you convince Thomas to retire......or you jansen him.... - BeantownGreg1

To Jansen someone is to "run them off the set". You wearing the wrong colors homie.

I'm rockin' the burgundy and gold. You're rockin' Zorn colors: Maroon and black, and don't look familiar.

Shoulda known the dude Zorn was suspect when he came with that bs.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Regular readers of the Insider know where I stand. There are major deficiencies on this roster, and there have been for a long, long time. If Zorn, Zorn's offense and Zorn's play-calling were the whole problem, then why have these problems been around for so long?

This is Bull! The Mayor is starting to do what LaCaHater did. Stop telling folks that the roster doesn't have talent. The talent on this roster is as good or better than anyone in the division. Every team has opportunities and question marks on their roster and the Skins are no different. The problem is clearly coaching and that's it. I'm glad that people are starting to put more blame on the "genius" and less blame on the QB.

Posted by: dcwun | September 24, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This just in

Because the Detroit Lions and the Washington Redskins are playing this weekend. The NFL has decided to move the game up from its 1:00pm scheduled start, and it is also switching the station because of the ticket sales in Detroit.

The game will now be Sunday morning at 8:00am on Telemundo.

Now back to your regular scheduled blogging.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

i'ma get a skins tattoo that says skinztattoo. nice post, i like the owner fan parallel.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 24, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

If we lose on Sunday, Zorn is gone. There is no way that Synder can keep the fan base any other way.

There needs to be some accountability. Almost there, one play away, we've got the talent, things will develop, yada, yada, yada.

Excuses will not cut it anymore. There is a better team, with better management, with better ownership, cheaper tickets and a newer stadium only about an hour north of where this team plays.

A loss on Sunday will bring this franchise and its fan base to a new level of low that will not be tolerated.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 24, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have an elite defense facing a rookie QB. The Lions are subbing in a rookie LB on a defense that already starts a rookie safety and isn't very good to begin with.

The so called trend pick of the Lions winning on Sunday is a sucker rant.

Even Zorn can't screw this one up.

Posted by: themantoyou | September 24, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If we lose on Sunday, Zorn is gone. There is no way that Synder can keep the fan base any other way.

There needs to be some accountability. Almost there, one play away, we've got the talent, things will develop, yada, yada, yada.

Excuses will not cut it anymore. There is a better team, with better management, with better ownership, cheaper tickets and a newer stadium only about an hour north of where this team plays.

A loss on Sunday will bring this franchise and its fan base to a new level of low that will not be tolerated.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 24, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

See ya! Don't let the door hit ya on your way!!

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | September 24, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

NFL is about winning.
NFL is about playoffs.
Sorry, Coach. Ya gotta go.

Posted by: freeaccess1 | September 24, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

all you guys callin for Zorn's head - please, put a sock in it. At least for a few weeks. Impetuous rally cries that "Zorn must go" concede seaon-wide defeat in Week 3. That is flat stupidity. We get it, you don't like him. Noted. Now shut your yappers and SUPPORT YOUR COACH, QB AND TEAM. If he doesn't right the ship by the bye (no pun intended), then fine but for now, enough already. You all sound worse than the trigger happy owner you claim to despise.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 24, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

F*@K IT.

I'm sick of bashing my only home town team that's worth a crap. Yeah, the Coach is "Zany."

Sure, the owner is short and has a history of screwing up.

OK, he's got his bug-eyed raquetball buddy supposedly drafting people.

NO, the QB isn't quite perfect.

Yeah, Santana Moss and Randle El don't have Randy Moss' height.

True, the O Line aint the Hogs of old.

Granted, D Hall aint D Green.

But, you know what?

They're all trying as hard as they can. They're all representing our city.

And win or lose, what's important at the end of the year, is if we've booed our own team into hating us.

when Sean Taylor died, who did we boo?

Sometimes, sh1t happens. Let's stay behind our team, support them...

Even if they lose to sorry a$$ Detroit.

Because, losing to Detroit doesn't mean you can't go win the Super Bowl next year. We've got a lot of football left and you never know what's gonna happen.

Support Your Team, the Washington Redskins.

It's the least you can do as a fan.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 24, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Support Your Team, the Washington Redskins.

It's the least you can do as a fan.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 24, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

you complete me. see my post directly above

HAIL!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 24, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

REDSKIN OFFICIALS REWORK SPECIAL PROMOTION SCHEDULE

ASHLAND, VA (SEPTEMBER 24, 2009) -- The Washington Redskins today announced that they are reworking their schedule for several promotional events set for the balance of the football season because of a series of unforeseen events.

For example, team officials said they are canceling a Jason Campbell Bubblehead Giveaway promotion originally set for the next home game -- an October 4 match against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Team officials explained that production problems by the toymaker in China left the replica quarterback’s head firmly affixed to his shoulders, without any apparent ability to move, turn its head from side to side or look downfield.

Said one team official, “It isn’t much of a bubblehead of our quarterback, especially since the head won’t work.”

The toymaker responded, “Admittedly, it’s pretty hard to turn a bubblehead into a pro quarterback, but I can assure you that this is the most faithfully detailed and accurate replica that we have ever produced. Just look at the blank stare and funny mustache. Frankly, we can’t help it if JC can’t read defenses, check down to secondary receivers when the primaries are covered, or throw for more than 7 yards downfield – but we have been able to reproduce each of these tendencies in these dolls.”

In other news, team officials indicated they are putting on hold plans for a Coach Jim Zorn Appreciation Day, as many team insiders wonder if he’ll still be around by the time that promotion date -- an October 18 game against the Kansas City Chiefs –- rolls around.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 24, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

However, team officials are assuring fans that the “Play Clinton Portis” promotion set for the October 26 home game against the Philadelphia Eagles will still take place as scheduled, and to make certain that the star running back is still available at that late date in the season, team coaches have been instructed to give the running back a “free pass” and not practice or play him until then.

Team officials are also announcing a new promotion for the November 15 game against the Denver Broncos -- called “Vinny’s Draw” -- which gives fans an opportunity to buy a raffle ticket to bet who starts at right guard for the team’s next two games. The winner will then be picked in a blind drawing by Redskin Vice President for Football Operation Vinny Cerrato.

During the December 6 game against the New Orleans Saints, randomly selected fans will be invited onto the field during actual games to field and return punts for the team. Said one Redskin coach, “We're looking forward to this one. The fans couldn’t do any worse than any of the punt returners we have at the moment, and we might even find some real talent out there.

During a December 21 game against the New York Giants, Redskin officials had planned to wear some throwback uniforms to remind fans of the team’s long gone history of Superbowl winning seasons. However, representatives from each of earlier the teams are appealing to Redskin officials to not allow the current team to wear their colors or let the players anywhere near their old Lombardi Trophies – fearing they might fumble the football shaped trophies and leave them tarnished.

While the rest of the promotion schedule is still in flux, one final event for this lost season will definitely take place -- a so-called Fan Appreciation Day set for the final home game of the season -- a December 27 game against the Dallas Cowboys. Said a spokesman for team owner Dan Snyder, “After the unmerciful abuse of our fans this season, it’s only natural that we would finish up with a big lie and tell them how much we love them. And if they don’t like it, we’ll let our lawyer dogs loose on them.”

Posted by: Vic1 | September 24, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

When the skins go through the pre-game warm ups, does the offense run through any plays as a unit without players on the other side of the ball? If so, how many plays do they usually run before actually getting a touchdown?

Thanks.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 24, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone assuming that Zorn is about to get fired? Maybe we underestimate Snyder this time around. I think that we have a good team. If they can relax and play ball they will win games. And, you guys will have nothing to talk about.

Posted by: reuvenmend | September 24, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

What did spags mean at the end of the NFL video? "I appreciate what you did at the end, I do, I really do" Did he mean thanks for giving us a chance? Or thanks for being an ass?

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | September 25, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

after reading the pick'ems for this week, i am surprised by how many people have picked the lions to actually beat the Redskins this weekend. i hope for their sake and Zorn's that they don't. that would pass the torch to the Redskins as the worst team in the NFL right now, officially.

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | September 25, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

If there was any doubt about Zorns coaching abilities....Then watch this video. I'm a believer now and you will be to.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-redskins/09000d5d812dca56/Sideline-sound-Zorn-and-Campbell

Posted by: DCN8TVE | September 25, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

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