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Alexander: Adapting to a new kicker on the fly

Lorenzo Alexander is going back to Cali. A native of Berkeley and a three-year starter at defensive tackle for the University of California, where he earned a bachelor's degree in legal studies, Alexander returns to the San Francisco Bay Area with the Redskins for Sunday's game against the Oakland Raiders. Place kicker Graham Gano will make his Redskins debut, and those things are on Alexander's mind in this week's installment of "Special Teams Saturday with Lorenzo Alexander."

When the Redskins' schedule was released, Alexander figured he would need extra tickets for Sunday's game. He got it right.

"I've got a lot of my family and friends coming to the game. We got about 15 tickets, so it'll be good," Alexander said. "Obviously, I won't get a lot of time to see them, but they'll get a chance to see the game. I think they'll have a good time."

Gano's performance could help determine whether the Redskins enjoy their experience at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum. The Redskins signed Gano to a three-year contract and released Shaun Suisham after Gano impressed during Tuesday's kicking tryout at Redskins Park.

Suisham connected on 18 of 21 (85.7 percent) field-goal attempts this season but missed twice (from 39 and 50 yards) during the 7-6 loss Nov. 22 to the Dallas Cowboys and failed to convert a 23-yard chip shot in the Redskins' last game - a 33-30 overtime loss to the New Orleans Saints. Suisham was among the most respected players in the locker room because of his work ethic and selfless approach.

"Shaun definitely is a good guy and he was a great teammate," Alexander said. "He's a real accurate kicker, but he had those misses and everybody understands this is a business. It's tough, but our job is to just go out and execute with the guys who are here.

"From what I've seen [of Gano], he definitely has a strong leg. This will be his first game to show what he can do, and everybody's going to execute their assignments [on kickoffs and field-goal attempts] to help him just like we did with Shaun."

Players on the kickoff team said Gano, who most recently kicked for Las Vegas of the UFL and the NFL, approaches the ball faster than Suisham, which could cause timing problems in games because everyone is used to Suisham's tendencies.

Not surprisingly, special teams coordinator Danny Smith took a proactive approach in hopes of speeding the familiarity process. "Danny had us work on it, we got the reps we needed, just so we would be comfortable with the way he does it," Alexander said. "I don't think it'll be a problem."

By Jason Reid  |  December 12, 2009; 12:30 PM ET
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Jason Campbell is playing out this season like a pending NBA free agent. For him it wasn't about effort or heart like it is with NBA guys, but the way he's connected the past couple weeks has really enhanced his perceived value. The guy is a class act, no doubt about it. But he's been given a lot of chances to carry a team and go win games, but instead loses admirably. If he continues the way he's been playing and sucking everyone in, it's going to be very difficult for the Skins to part ways. Skins gotta tender him at the very least, then you get something out of this. If you tender him and he leaves, you get picks. If you tender him and he stays, he's the guy taking shots while we rebuild the o-line and develop someone younger.
That said, definitely proud of the way most of the team has played the past four weeks.

Posted by: saltine182 | December 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Please boycott Dan Snyder!

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

saltine182,
My thought on tendering Campbell is, if they do it, they are stuck with him, because another team would have to give up a first round pick for him. I just don't see any other team giving up a first rounder for Jason Campbell. Soooo, if they tender him, they keep him and if they don't he will become an unrestricted free agent. There's an off chance that they can not tender him and still sign him to a lower contract, but I think that is a risky proposition. They could sign him and then trade him for something less than a first round pick. I think that would be wise to get some value out of him - maybe not a first round pick, but something. Teams are going to look at Jason Campbell as a good insurance policy, a guy who can start if the team's regular starter struggles or gets injured. A team like Oakland could even view Campbell as a potential starter.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Keep Campbell...

Draft a QB...

The reason why Campbell is still the starter is because there is no one behind him. He would have been benched with a young upstart behind him.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

JC is on a lot of team's radar. i.e. St. Louis, Oak, Cleveland, etc. He could end up with 6-10 team vying for his services.

He has earned himself a pay day a la Matt Cassel. Vinny and Dan need to put aside their obsession with chasing the next big thing at QB and tender JC. There are different levels of tenders that would affect the money we would pay JC and the compensation we would receive if another team wanted him. I’m for using the highest level tender on JC and rebuilding the OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Not sure you tender JC at the highest level, but you definitely tender him and keep him if no offers are made. Could be wrong, but the highest level gives us 2 picks if he is signed elsewhere, but a lower tender gives us 1 pick (1st rd). Go to high and we may not get any offers, yet a lower tender gives us a 1st rd pick or less money on the contract if he is kept.

My opinion is that you keep JC and fix the other problems, OL, DB, OLB and RB. But take the first round pick if an offer is made.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

My thought on tendering Campbell is, if they do it, they are stuck with him, because another team would have to give up a first round pick for him.
Tendering him simply means that other teams can't get him for free. The 1st round pick is like sticker price at the car dealer, if you want the player and don't want to haggle with Vinny, that's the price you can get him for.
But if you're a team -- Carolina, for instance -- for whom he could be the missing piece, what would you give up for him? 2nd & 3rd rounder? Just the 2nd? 2nd & 6th (!)?

All in all, NextCoach needs to be on board and get the choice of what to do at QB. It's not like there's a stable of clear replacements, even if JC isn't "the guy" and you want to pick JClausen to be the next JC.

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

PHILADELPHIA -- Three weeks before he was elected president, Barack Obama set an audacious goal: end hunger among children in the United States by 2015.

Since his inauguration, Obama has seldom broached the subject. His aides brainstorm weekly with several agencies, but their internal conversations so far have not produced fundamentally new approaches. The president's goal could prove daunting: Childhood hunger is more complex than previously understood, new research suggests, and is unlikely to be solved simply by spending more money for food programs.

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Your country has work to do.


Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 12 Dec 2009 at 06:59:41 PM GMT is:

$12,099,866,598,408.08

The estimated population of the United States is 307,454,817
so each citizen's share of this debt is $39,354.94.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

and no money to do it.


Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Berlin - Germany's national debt is to rise by 126 billion euros (179 billion dollars) to 1.7 trillion euros by the end of this year, the government in Berlin said after an inquiry by a liberal lawmaker. Per-capita debt of the 82 million German citizens is to rise from 19,240 euros in 2008 to 20,773 euros in 2009, Free Democratic Party caucus leader Carl-Ludwig Thiele said Tuesday.

The German economy was expected to contract by an unprecedented 6 per cent this year, owing to the global economic downturn. The country's ruling grand coalition projected that fresh net loans worth 49 billion euros are necessary for 2009 while 86.1 billion euros in new loans were budgeted for 2010.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Yet oddly enough, we are all in this together?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is a FF site that had a clip of Ganther when he was a Titan. Showed some good speed once he got into space, as well as some power.

Pretty sure this is still the RI football blog so will post it.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/FantasySourceBlitz/entry/view/47408/roll_call_will_quinton_go_on_a_rampage

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

A restricted free agent (RFA) is one with three accrued seasons of service, who has received a "qualifying" offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his current club. He can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the restricted free agent accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club has "right of first refusal," a seven-day period in which it may match the offer and retain him, or choose not to match the offer, in which case it may receive one or more draft picks for the upcoming draft from the player's new club.

Tender amount Compensation required
$2.562 million First- and third-round
$2.017 million First-round
$1.417 million Second-round
$927,000 Determined by RFA's original draft status (see below)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Tender amount Compensation required
$2.562 million First- and third-round
$2.017 million First-round
$1.417 million Second-round
$927,000 Determined by RFA's original draft status (see below)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 2:08 PM

Based on the QBs available in the draft and FA, it makes sense to me to tender him at $2.017 mil.

Thanks for the info Diesel.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

This being Saturday I thought this post would be appropriate. Many on this blog have advocated replacement of Casey Rabach. I found this interesting article on Jeff Saturday, another runt of a center, in the NYT. Makes you think whether the Skins would be better or worse off w/o Rabach.

The Colts had scouted Saturday in college at North Carolina. They liked his leadership and athleticism, his toughness and his grit. They held the same concern as every other team: his size.

Even in 2002, when Tony Dungy became the coach and Saturday had already started for two seasons, Bill Polian, the team president, offered a warning. Watch tape of Saturday before you meet him, he told Dungy. See the skills before the size.

Manning conducts the Colts’ offense, calling plays without a huddle, at the line of scrimmage, adjusting every play. His gestures and gyrations, the rolling shoulders and flapping arms, comprise a foreign football language.

Saturday is his interpreter. As he approaches the line of scrimmage, he looks for substitutions and alignments. When the play comes, Saturday has mere seconds to make adjustments, changing blocking schemes and protection calls. Manning moves. Saturday reacts. Everyone else follows. Somehow, it all works.

The system requires an intelligent quarterback capable of making quick, accurate decisions before each play. It also depends on an equally bright center, one who can disseminate and dispense that information — and then block a mammoth interior defensive lineman after the ball is snapped.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 12, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

absolutely no reason NOT to tender JC.. at the worst, you get a solid back up QB who is a decent locker room presence. a younger version of collins (who will cost at least 2 million per year, anyway).

if someone wants to give up a first rounder for him (that wont happen, by the way, even if Campbell has 4,000 passing yards this year.. even Culpeper only commanded a #2 pick)
grab it and laugh. if someone offers a #2, or reasonable compensation, take it and use our early picks to rebuild the line and take the QB of the future. as of now, i would take a long look at Pike, who likely wont be taken in the first round, but has the swagger and ability to come back from a poor half and close the deal.
see if we can reacquire sage rosenfels to start until Pike is ready. Fire Zorn and if we cant get shanahan, think about Mike Zimmer, the DC at Cincy. high character guy whom the players love

Posted by: shally | December 12, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

He has earned himself a pay day a la Matt Cassel.
Hmm, doesn't seem that way to me. There are a few teams that have a complete defense and a superior running game that might convince themselves they need to go from #40 QB to #20 to get to the next level, but you're not going to build your team around him, and you're not going to count on him to be the difference-maker in 3-4 games a year.

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

By frittering away the hours of the day on a blog about football and willfully ignoring the pressing problems of your country, you dummies are yourself being played.

Quinton Ganther?

Who cares?

Yes, he has a burst, and by what a stroke of luck has he slipped through the talent evaluation cracks and fallen to the Redskins!

"Q" as they call him is one and done. Draft a real runner for the future.

And at this point to slap Rock Cartwright in the face, someone who himself has shown an equal ability to burst through holes and make defenders miss in the open field is shameful.

Rock deserves better. Q can still get his touches without yanking Rock's chain like they have.

Utterly poor management of human resources.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:17 PM

This is from 2008 so the salary would have increase however the compensation required would be the same.

I say tender him at the second level and if somebody wants him fine. Not tendering JC at all would be irresponsible.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

the difference between saturday and rabach is that saturday does not get pushed into peyton's face constantly, whereas rabach cannot anchor against even mediocre tackles any more.. this past week was the first decent game rabach has had from a physical point of view in a long time.. time to move on.
if Edwin Williams has the head to play in the NFL, he has the ideal bulk and body type for the position

Posted by: shally | December 12, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Based on the QBs available in the draft and FA, it makes sense to me to tender him at $2.017 mil.

Thanks for the info Diesel.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:17 PM |

What is the window on all this? In other words would be Skins be getting draft picks before or after the upcoming draft which is supposed to be talent-rich?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 12, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2009 2:23 PM

Not so sure the Chiefs wouldn't like to take a mulligan on that one.

If I'm JC's agent and he hits the open market, that would be the contract that I look at for negotiations. He would be the top FA QB and 6-10 teams would target him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

i believe that this year's tender for QB is going to be around 3 million per year at the mid or lower level.. cant remember which, but it is still a bargain for JC considering what Collins will cost us.
but, NO ONE is going to give us a #1 for Campbell.. the purpose of the tender is to kick off the negotiations for him in trade value..
Ramsey netted a 6th rounder !! Culpeper a #2.. Campbell will be somewhere between them, would be my guess

Posted by: shally | December 12, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

To tender Mr. Campbell a contract or not?

This will depend on his play for the balance of the season.

In any event, your Joseph Geobbels will still be seated in the bunker with your Adolf Hitler.

and we all know how this ends.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

the difference between saturday and rabach is that saturday does not get pushed into peyton's face constantly, whereas rabach cannot anchor against even mediocre tackles any more..

Posted by: shally | December 12, 2009 2:27 PM |

That's what some say. Evaluating OL performance is not simply a one-on-one prop though. If Rabach is getting "pushed in someone's face" it prob isn't his fault alone or even his fault at all. With a diff OL he might well "look" a lot better, which may be why Saturday looks better to you.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 12, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"We are at serious risk in America of having 'middle class' no longer synonymous with the old notions of security and solid, but instead meaning living one paycheck to the next, living one bad diagnosis or pink slip away from financial collapse."

This is from the mouth of your own chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel, Elizabeth Warren!

One in five Americans is unemployed, underemployed or just plain out of work. One in nine families can't make the minimum payment on their credit cards. One in eight mortgages is in default or foreclosure. One in eight Americans is on food stamps. More than 120,000 families are filing for bankruptcy every month.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And you want to talk about tendering contracts to Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The tender is $2.xxM OR 110% of their existing contract. Someone said last week that meant that JC would be $3.1M or thereabouts. Still a bargain for a starting QB.

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

shameful is the only word to describe you Americans.

and willfully ignorant.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

no I should say you Americans have no shame at all.

shameless.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If you guys turn on NFL Network...they are replaying Steelers/Browns and wouldn't you know

ANTWAN RANDEL-EL JUST RETURNED A PUNT FOR A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

shameful is the only word to describe you Americans.

and willfully ignorant.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 2:52 PM |

Makes you kind of long for the days of MARTY_S_EMAIL_ID, don't it.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 12, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:17 PM |

What is the window on all this? In other words would be Skins be getting draft picks before or after the upcoming draft which is supposed to be talent-rich?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 12, 2009 2:30 PM

Found this site that has some info on FAs.

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Free Agency officially begins on February 27. For RFAs, the period officially ends on April 17. The deadline for old clubs to exercise the Right of First Refusal to RFAs is April 24. For UFAs (including Franchise players and Transition players), who have been given a tender offer from their prior team, the period officially ends on July 22 or the first day of training camp -- whichever is later.

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http://www.askthecommish.com/freeagency/

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

http://www.askthecommish.com/freeagency/

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:59 PM |

Thanks dude.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 12, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Who or what the f*ck is this "Rotfrau"? This is a site for the Washington Redskins and no matter what the f&ck is going on in the US hunger, unemployment, or whatever we still talk about the Redskins and football. Get the hell outta here you crazy Mother F*cker!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 12, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If you guys turn on NFL Network...they are replaying Steelers/Browns and wouldn't you know

ANTWAN RANDEL-EL JUST RETURNED A PUNT FOR A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 12, 2009 3:15 PM

He's trying to make a late push for RI blogger’s year end awards. He's practically a lock for 2 awards: Douchbag and Troll of the year.

BTW. Please don't feed the trolls…

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I am here on your blog to stay Mr. 72 Redskins.

Although, I am not a U.S citizen, I consider it my responsibility to hold your feet to the fire.

And do not underestimate my football knowledge. You'll see over the next few weeks.

My only regret is that I did not contribute to this forum earlier in the season.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I know I shouldn't feed the rotten sauerkraut but I couldn't resist. (Wow, this world is inhabited by some pathetic individuals, sad)

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 12, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Diesel.

I take it that "troll" is not a term of endearment?

My evening is winding down here in Germany, but my enthusiasm for this forum is without limits.

Over time, I will be accepted as a regular contributor to "your" blog, and it will then be "our" blog.

In fact, it already is.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The sense of exclusivity exists in your mind alone, nowhere else.

This is a public forum, much like a public lavatory.

You all piss here everyday, and now, so do I.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I also will catch on to your lingo.

You say "don't feed the troll," which is a clever way of encouraging others to ignore me.

All is fine and well. It makes no difference at all.

It's your lap, and it's where I choose to sit.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It's your responsibility to go f%ck yourself in your German azzhole, nobody gives a s#it about wether you have football knowledge or not and we're glad that you didn't contribute earlier and one last thing, your in Germany worry about your second rate country, we're still the best country in the world and your a piece of sick Sh*t!

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 12, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

no I should say you Americans have no shame at all.

shameless.

Posted by: Rotfrau

Ratfuk,

Why don't you worry about your own country's problems. You better get used to all those muslims coming into your country, b/c in less than 20 years Germany will become an Islamic state... and you know it.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 12, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

http://www.askthecommish.com/freeagency/

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing what you can get on one blog versus hours in some college classroom!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't think its just 6-10 teams that would have an interest in Campbell. Warner is 38 and coming off a concussion. Favre is 40. Neither team trusts their backups. Not sure how solid mgmt is with Garrard in Jax.

Me, I think AZ is a good fit. The big WRs need a guy with a good arm and an ability to check down. Last I looked, Campbell was completing nearly 2/3 of his passes, despite pass rush and drops. Boldin and Fitzgerald don't drop as many as our crew.

If I'm AZ mgmt, I ask the question: Do I want the QB for the prime years of Fitz and Boldin to be Matt Leinhart?

If I'm AZ mgmt, I make the trade.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Rotfrau-

What is your purpose for being here?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

cest....

I'd take Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys,

How about we start a new non-football related discussion up here.

Let me arbitrarily pick a random topic...hmmm...let's see...oh! I've got one!

Let's discuss recent neo-nazi and racist acticity in German society along with their faltering economy.

I'll post some new links that we can discuss. Here's an entry about the modern neo-nazis in Germany:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany#Recent_history

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4306735,00.html

This one is about Germany's stagnating economy.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1657880.ece

This one is about an incident a couple years ago in the German military where officers were telling recruits to imagine they were shooting up black Americans during a training exercise.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell becomes the next Trent Green if they let him go. Dont do it. We keep investing all of this time in guys and letting them leave (i.e. Antonio Pierce)

Posted by: vze2bnyf | December 12, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

http://whitewatch.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/german-neo-nazi-murders-pregnant-egyptian-woman-in-court/

Here's one about a neo-nazi who murdered a preganant Egyptian woman in a German court.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

absolutely no reason NOT to tender JC...-shally


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Agreed! If we can get something for him, then we should.

Of course we(biased Redskin/Jason Campbell fans) will learn his true value. Point is if any team out there thinks that Jason Campbell is capable of leading them to a Superbowl then they would willingly give up a draft pick!

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse


Hey P1funk. We come here to escape reality, dude. So I won't mention the fact that, as George Carlin noted, if God is omnipotent, how come everything he's created has died?

But I WILL note this football item. Welcome to the NFL, Graham Gano. For your opening weekned, you get to kick on a sloppy field in the mnuck and the mire, and possibly the rain.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1900649,00.html

Here's one about how Germany's deepening poverty levels are far worse than perceived from the outside looking in.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Germany for 3 years. Great Place.

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

http://flarenetwork.org/blog/2009/02/03/berlin-is-the-centre-of-the-russian-mafia-in-europe/

Here's one about how Berlin is the capital of Russian mafia in Western Europe.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh I see what inspired you p1funk. Rotfrau is likely one of those cats who came on here before under a different handle trying to get everyone's goat. We rid the board of those nuisances by hitting ye olde "report abuse" link.

Suggest you do same, rather than further roiling the waters.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse


Oh I see what inspired you p1funk. Rotfrau is likely one of those cats who came on here before under a different handle trying to get everyone's goat. We rid the board of those nuisances by hitting ye olde "report abuse" link.

Suggest you do same, rather than further roiling the waters.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse


I have minimal patience for trolls...but just needed to make a point about hyppocritical moralistic finger-wagging.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Of course we(biased Redskin/Jason Campbell fans) will learn his true value. Point is if any team out there thinks that Jason Campbell is capable of leading them to a Superbowl then they would willingly give up a draft pick!

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 4:03 PM |

The other would have to believe that the skins would want JC on the 2010 roster as well, wouldn't they? I mean the skins could tender JC, but let's say they use their #1 pick for a certain former ND QB. So now the skins have kind of put themselves behind the 8 ball (surprising I know). If I were a GM of another team and wanted JC, I could

1. Negotiate a deal for JC using the struct of the RFA as a base point

2. Play chicken w/ crazy eyed Vinny, thinking that JC would eventually be traded at a bargain price or out right released.

In other words, one would need to gauge how badly the skins FO would want to move on w/o JC.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's comments about the Graham Gano/Suishy thing indicated that part of the motivation for the move was to basically give Gano a tryout for next year since it seems they weren't planning on keeping Suishy after this season anyways.

If that is the thinking these days, it would be nice to see the following as well:

-Rogers benched for the remainder of the season to get a nice long look at Barnes/tryon in a starting role.

-Randle El benched for the remainder of the year to maximize WR snaps for Kelly/DT


Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Germany for 3 years. Great Place.

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse


Yes.

Germany has come a long way over the past generation.

Thanks to the United States and its allies, who worked over the decades to liberate Germany from Nazism and then Communism.

Now I'm sure it's a much nicer place to live...

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

-Randle El benched for the remainder of the year to maximize WR snaps for Kelly/DT


Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:20 PM

And Marko. Would really like to see what he has on the NFL stage and now is the time to find out.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

And Marko. Would really like to see what he has on the NFL stage and now is the time to find out.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse


True. Slipped my mind to mention that.

Marko in particular should be getting game reps ahead of Randle El at this stage, no question.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The other player to find out about is Moore. Although he has made some mistakes, he had good grades coming out of college but his injury dropped him in the draft.

Let's find out if he is a viable FS or ST player. He is a much better tackler than LL (outside of Hall, who isn't?) and since LL does not think he needs to change the way he plays, maybe Moore can help move him back to where he belongs.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Skins930,

I mentioned Moore back during the Pre-Season.
I think he is a true FS and he's young. We finally got him in the game and he did give us an interception. Developing him would allow us to move LL back to SS.

Moore does have potential!

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

cest....

I'd take Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge

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I wouldn't.

Matt is not a Football player.

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

cest....

I'd take Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge |

why?
Leinhart, for his career
327/574 for 3797 yds 14tds 18ints

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

cest....

I'd take Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge |

why?
Leinhart, for his career
327/574 for 3797 yds 14tds 18ints

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 4:59 PM

Before this season I would not have taken Vince Young. Now I would have to rethink my position on him.

Best bet is to keep JC and fix the rest of the team. If between now and the end of the season it looks like there is a market for him, then tender him at the top level and you still are not over paying for him if no takers. It might get you two additional picks from a team that values him higher then the Skins do.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Before this season I would not have taken Vince Young. Now I would have to rethink my position on him.

Best bet is to keep JC and fix the rest of the team. If between now and the end of the season it looks like there is a market for him, then tender him at the top level and you still are not over paying for him if no takers. It might get you two additional picks from a team that values him higher then the Skins do.

Posted by: Skins930


I dunno why? Even before this season, Vince Young was winning.

Remember, the most important stat about a QB is his winning percentage. In fact I think QB is the only position in which the winning percentage stat is mentioned.

If you know me from this blog, then you know I don't criticize the FO much, but if they allow JC to go w/o any compensation then that is just stupid!

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

""Q" as they call him is one and done. Draft a real runner for the future."

Well, the vikes had a middling back named Chester Taylor when they drafted A Petersen.

T Hightower does okay work for the cards, but they still took B Wells this past spring.

The titans, texans, and panthers all feature a nice pair of complementary backs.

So which top back would you add to complement the aging Cartwright, Portis duo?

I like CJ Spiller.

Others like J Dwyer.

M Ingram, sadly, is a sophomore, and might be the end product of 'Bama's awesome offensive line.

Some haven't seen enough of T Gerhart or T Best to offer opinions about them.

McCluster is the guy under the radar who should be on the radar.

Evan Royster might be a decent choice, but some of us say avoid Penn State football players at all costs.

So who's your top back?

Remember: Rock and Ladell were the last backs the skins drafted and that was with MartyBall.

At some point, the redskins will have to add a running back....and offensive linemen to block for him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hello Rotfrau,

you have started your postings a couple of days ago in german. In every sentence their were gramatical mistakes. I am doing them because I am from Germany and not from America. You are doing them because you are not a German. Why the f*ck you are not leaving the Redkins, America and Germany alone??? by the way, Rotfrau is not a german word, it makes no sense and does not say anthing.

Posted by: toni17 | December 12, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't think its just 6-10 teams that would have an interest in Campbell... AZ is a good fit.

AZ has a lot of tough questions to wrestle with. Does Warner see Favre out there and know that he's still got a couple of good years left in him, or is this year the year he hangs 'em up? Let's assume he retires. What are you willing to trade to WAS for him -- if you bring in someone new, do you have to let Leinhart go? Can you work a trade Leinhart for Campbell (plus a second rounder, and you know who gives up the draft pick!)?
One of the things that makes #11 and #81 so dangerous is that you can cover them well and they'll still make the grab. You'd have to convince me that JC would throw into coverage like that -- it's his nature to be careful, and breaking it would be even harder than learning a new offense!

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Admission is the first step they say.

So, I have to admit to a feeling that's overcome be the past three days.

To wit: the Washington Redskins have been playing very well over the past four weeks.

Tomorrow's game will be the best game the team plays all year.

The redskins will beat the raiders handily.

The score?: 31-14

Thing is, we'll ruin our draft position and folks will complain all next week.

Oh well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I dunno why? Even before this season, Vince Young was winning.

Remember, the most important stat about a QB is his winning percentage. In fact I think QB is the only position in which the winning percentage stat is mentioned.

If you know me from this blog, then you know I don't criticize the FO much, but if they allow JC to go w/o any compensation then that is just stupid!

Posted by: Vicc | December 12, 2009 5:20 PM

Just did not think he was mentally tough and although he did win games early, his stats were awful and the Titans had a pretty complete team.

But like you said, he wins and the games I have watched him in this year, he looks like a winner.

Mostly it was a feeling I had about him and the same feeling that may make me eat my words when it comes to JC.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

toni, toni, toni

Dass ich 100% Deutsch bin, habe ich nie gesagt. Deutsch ist nur meine zweite Sprache.

Es stimmt dass ich in Stuttgart wohne. Mein Vater, er ist Deutsher. Er ist ein Diplomat. Wir zogen eine Menge, Meine Mutter, sie kommt aus Virginia.

Ich bin eigentlich ein Dual-Bürger.

Ich verstehe alles, aber mit dem grammatik, habe ich noch scwherigkeiten. Ich bin einer schrittweise Verbesserung jetzt, dass ich in Deutschland leben.

Bravo!

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Mein Ziel ist es, die dummen Amerikaner zu provozieren.

Das ist mein Recht.

Sind Sie damit einverstanden?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Es stimmt , der Satz, "Rotfrau" ist doch Quatsch.

Es macht kein Sinn, aber es ist beabsichtigt.

Können Sie dass nicht erkennen?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Sie müssen zugeben, Amerikaner sind nur einige den dümmsten Menschen auf die Erde.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

One of the things that makes #11 and #81 so dangerous is that you can cover them well and they'll still make the grab. You'd have to convince me that JC would throw into coverage like that -- it's his nature to be careful, and breaking it would be even harder than learning a new offense!

Posted by: daggar

It may be Campbell's nature to be careful, but he's been throwing to Moss and ARE and Devin Thomas and James Thrash -- often while being hit.

If Campbell has Boldin and Fitz, he'll adapt. Much like I'd adapt if I won the super lotto $100million thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Der African American Präsident führt Krieg gegen arme Muslime weil sein Volk haben leider keine Krankenversicherung.

Es ist wirklich tragisch.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

toni,

Wenn Sie möchten mit mir zu unterhalten, auf Deutsch oder English, macht für mich keiner Unterschied.

Tatsächlich, vielleicht könnten wir uns gegenseitig helfen?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Eines ist sicher, wenn ich mein Deutsch verbessern, sie werde nicht in die Lage, einen Unterschied zwischen uns zu sagen.

Meine Aussprache ist doch makellos, dank meiner Vater.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Ihr English, toni, toni, toni, es wird immer transparenter.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Before this season I would not have taken Vince Young. Now I would have to rethink my position on him."

Maybe this is why you re-sign JC to a market friendly deal with a decent signing bonus.

Give him two-three years to show if he's worth the serious money.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Jetzt gehe ich ins Bett, toni.

Machen sie eine Antwort, ich werde antworten Ihnen am Morgen.

Sind wir damit einverstanden?

Ich kann meiner Computer später zu überprüfen.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Moe.

I am not making any fans on this fblog, nor do I care for that, but you sir are one of the more insightful people on the blog.

I always enjoy reading your comments.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

How do you say "abyss" in Deutsch?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 12, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

@ Moe. Another back that is under the radar is Ryan Matthews out of Fresno State. He has a good combination of size and speed, and from what I've seen,he looks as if he has decent hands. He'll need to work on his pass pro however.

In regards to JC, I agree with most on theblog in that allowing JC to leave w/o getting something would be foolish. I feel the same way regarding Carlos rogers. This upcoming draft should have decent talent available in the middle rounds. I'm hoping for a strategy from this FO that will try to maximize picks in those rounds.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Me, I think AZ is a good fit. The big WRs need a guy with a good arm and an ability to check down. Last I looked, Campbell was completing nearly 2/3 of his passes, despite pass rush and drops. Boldin and Fitzgerald don't drop as many as our crew.

If I'm AZ mgmt, I ask the question: Do I want the QB for the prime years of Fitz and Boldin to be Matt Leinhart?

If I'm AZ mgmt, I make the trade.


Posted by: zcezcest1

Warner stands in the pocket a LONG time and finally delivers the ball with an ultra quick release to his WR's. JC will not be able to replicate that, ever.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 12, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

1965,

Jason Campbell has improved under the tutelage of Jim Zorn.

Whether or not it will be enough to ensure either one of them a future with the Redskins is an open question, but I personally believe neither one of them will be with the Redskins beyond this season.

One will be asked to leave (Zorn,) and one will be offered a contract that he will not accept.

On the whole, both of these men have their redeemable qualities and will likely enjoy some degree of success in another city, but not as a starting QB, nor as a head coach.

In support of others, yes.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"Abyss" heist "Abgrund" auf Deutsch.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

According to my sensibilities, the case of Jason Campbell is a tragic example of what happens when an organization fails to realize what strengths a player has and how best to develop and then utilize them.

Make no mistake about it, under different circumstances, Mr. Campbell could have had a very noteworthy career. The organizational structure around him was simply too weak in order for his potential to become a manifest reality.

Mr. Campbell has been a consummate professional throughout it all. This young man deserved better, as have his teammates.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

On Redskins showtime Doc Walker says that the issue that LL is having is that he is doesn't do enough film study. As I mentioned before, the Redskins should require LL to spend a majority of his off season at Redskins park.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

But like you said, he wins and the games I have watched him in this year, he looks like a winner.

Mostly it was a feeling I had about him and the same feeling that may make me eat my words when it comes to JC.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse


Except that JC does not win.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

LL is the sofa king,

sofa king stupid that is.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 12, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins are an epic failure, an example of nearly everything that is wrong with professional sports, from an organizational and leadership perspective.

The coaches, the players, and the fans have all gotten a raw deal.

I look at the roster and I see many a good man, and they have certainly been playing with great heart and character.

The recent losses have be palpable, in that this team has shown measurable improvement. In this sense, they are moral victories and invaluable learning tools. You simply can't practice this in a scrimmage.

These young men are growing up before our eyes.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

On Redskins showtime Doc Walker says that the issue that LL is having is that he is doesn't do enough film study. As I mentioned before, the Redskins should require LL to spend a majority of his off season at Redskins park.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse


I say the move is to trade LL.

Chris Horton can do the same kind of damage around the line of scrimmage that LL30 can.

Moore and Smoot can probably be coached up as better free safeties in coverage.

LL30 seems to have a very uncoachable attitude. And we could probably get a nice pick or 2 for him. We can avoid having to pay him big bucks long term.

Let's face it. We like the way he hits, but he's expendable. He makes tons of mistakes. He's NOT the 2nd coming of Sean Taylor.

Posted by: p1funk | December 12, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

On Laron Landry:

Laron's weaknesses can be categorized as "over strengths."

His aggressiveness, his greatest asset, is also his greatest liability, but only when cast in the role of a free safety.

He is playing out of position in much the same way that Brian. Orakpo is.

I have no problem with Laron posturing after delivering a big hit. In fact, I'd like to see more of it.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Give him two-three years to show if he's worth the serious money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 6:36 PM |

Been asleep for two-three years?

Posted by: MrPink | December 12, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore has simply not demonstrated much upside. Quite frankly, he has been a disappointment.

What are Kareem's "over-strengths?"

Laron possesses such natural, raw talent that is is absolutely incumbent upon the organization to determine the best method to hone it, to channel it in the proper direction.

or trade him and get the best value we can in return, but it will likely not be commensurate with his value to this team if and when we do coach him up to his full potential.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The burgundy and gold baby is a beautiful one.

It is the bath water that needs changing.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 12, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how things morph from the singular to the plural. A couple of weeks ago the question was "Do you respect wood?" Now it is "Do you respect Woods?"

Posted by: MrPink | December 12, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"Do you respect wood?" Now it is "Do you respect Woods?"

Posted by: MrPink | December 12, 2009 7:44 PM

Beware of the wood detective. That's why I always use a coaster.

Jim Zorn's playbook has gone from a book to a pamphlet under Sherm.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell has improved under the tutelage of Jim Zorn.

Posted by: Rotfrau

Substitute "despite' for 'under' and I'll agree.

As for Campbell not being able to do what Warner does. Agreed. Warner is a terrific QB. But if Warner calls it a career -- and I think Favre is the only starter that is older than him -- who do you get to replace him?

With those receivers, you get the best QB on the market. Right now, that is Campbell and he'd be a good fit. Strong arm to get it to the WRs. Plus Campbell likes to throw to his RBs. Hightower, one of the AZ RBs, has more receptions than any Redskin.

fwiw, Warner was a backup QB for about 5 years -- he wasn't even expected to be the starter he went to AZ. But give him Fitz and Boldin, and the backup looks like a HOFer

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

So those in favor of trading LL:

What would you expect in return for the 6th overall pick in the 2007 draft?

RotFrau Farbissina: "but it will likely not be commensurate with his value to this team if and when we do coach him up to his full potential."

I agree with RotFrau, (just don’t try to sit on my lap) his talents are being wasted. His natural position is at SS, this is where he dominated in college and why we chose him so high.

He has every measurable you would look for in a SS and he would be a force. The problem with playing him at FS he is lacking the one measurable that coaches can’t help him (brains). It is said that the MLB and FS are the most cerebral positions on the defensive side of the ball and this doesn't play into LL's strengths.

We all know the differences in responsibilities and the assignments between a free and strong safety and after 2 years LL doesn’t. This is on the FO and the coaches for not finding an adequate solution to FS in the last 2 years.

Here a list of guys to target
Atogwe FA Rams this would be my preference
Eric Berry Vols : Top 10 talent
Darrell Stuckey Kansas: 2nd rd

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Except that JC does not win."

Posted by: p1funk


"Been asleep for two-three years?"

Posted by: MrPink

Yes, I have been awake enough to know that JC doesn't win games.

But you replace him with a rookie only to play the 'wait and see' game all over again.

Again: despite Campbell's issues, I'd rather see him resigned, the offensive line strengthen, and a dynamic speed back added to the offense.

After all, if Campbell can't win with his arm, handing off or having the time to pass the ball to people who can is a much better option to watching a rookie quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Here a list of guys to target
Atogwe FA Rams this would be my preference
Eric Berry Vols : Top 10 talent
Darrell Stuckey Kansas: 2nd rd
Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 8:47

I would also add:

Daniel Manning
Brodney Pool

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

It is said that the MLB and FS are the most cerebral positions on the defensive side of the ball and this doesn't play into LL's strengths.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 8:47 PM |

Wonderlic score = 6

Posted by: MrPink | December 12, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

rotfrau

"...always enjoy reading your comments."


I do what I can.

Thanks for the props.

Keep bloggin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow Mark Ingram won it.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
But what are you willing to pay for JC? As a GM, you've already sunk $$ into the Leinhart experiment; you make a trade with the skins, dump Leinhart's contract, and make JC a nice, comfortable deal and you're officially 'all in'.
So how much are you willing to ante up?

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Twisi-

What site do you use?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Wonderlic score = 6

Posted by: MrPink | December 12, 2009 8:56 PM

And unlike Golf lower isn't better.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 I'm not sure what you're asking, but I saw the Ingram news on ESPN.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Thought maybe Suh would take it in an upset, but that award seldom goes to a defensive player.

Congrats to the sophomore.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow Mark Ingram won it.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 8:57 PM |

The dude deserved it. Came through against the Gators big time. Much credit also to the bama OL which is better even w/o Andre and his manboobs.

Posted by: MrPink | December 12, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 9:04 PM

What site do you use for research? i.e. 2010 FA's.

I'm familiar with the four letter network and whatever site you use late night can be your secret.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 lol. I use WalterFootball.com and KFFL.com

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 lol. I use WalterFootball.com and KFFL.com

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 9:13 PM

I’m a fan of both.

I was on WalterFootball.com yesterday and in their mock they had us taking OT Okung in the 1st and RB Dwyer in the 2nd.

I would sign up for that right now and go a month or so w/o saying disparaging about Vinny or Dan.

Problem with their Mock is that it makes too much sense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 I noticed that. There is no way Vinny/Dan can pull something like that off.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

All together now:

DRAFT:

RUSSELL OKUNG OT OSU - #4 off the board.
CIRON BLACK OT LSU - #36 off the board.
MIKE JOHNSON OG ALA.- #128 off the board.
ED WANG OT VaTech - #160 off the board, or Best available at any position in the 5th and 7th.

FREE AGENCY:

O.J. ATOGWE - FS
DUNTA ROBINSON - CB
KEITH BULLOCK - Strong-side OLB

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 12, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 12, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 12, 2009 10:30 AM |

Gonna need a RB or two there Sparky.

Posted by: edvar | December 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

edvar:

Like your thinking, but don't put the cart before the horse. No need to panic. ROME wasn't built in a day. Get the beef on offense, and the skill players on defense this off-season. Give CAMPBELL a two-year incentive laden extension (if he's willing to accept it), sign ROCKY McINTOSH for three, LOS or not depending on who's up if DUNTA can't be inked, use PORTIS, and don't sweat the small stuff. There's always a QUINTON GANTHER out there. Pick bling starting in 2011.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 12, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I was on WalterFootball.com yesterday and in their mock they had us taking OT Okung in the 1st and RB Dwyer in the 2nd.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 9:25 PM |

I'm a fan of Dwyer, but the word is that he can't juke the guys in open space. A one move back.

Your thoughts?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

When the Skins needed to draft a tall WR, they went wr-te-wr. What are the chances that now that we need OL the FO will go OT-G-OT?

I know, I know, we've needed OL for a few years and OL was never sniffed early.

Just dreaming...

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm a fan of Dwyer, but the word is that he can't juke the guys in open space. A one move back.

Your thoughts?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 9:59 PM |

Here's a look at 4 of the top RB including Dwyer.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4724386&name=nfl_draft

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4724386&name=nfl_draft

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 10:13 PM |

Not a subscriber so can't see what that link said.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins are an epic failure, an example of nearly everything that is wrong with professional sports, from an organizational and leadership perspective.

The coaches, the players, and the fans have all gotten a raw deal.

I look at the roster and I see many a good man, and they have certainly been playing with great heart and character.

The recent losses have be palpable, in that this team has shown measurable improvement. In this sense, they are moral victories and invaluable learning tools. You simply can't practice this in a scrimmage.

These young men are growing up before our eyes.

Posted by: Rotfrau

Ah yes, now you got it.

Just keep that "my country is better than yours" to yourself.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 12, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:03 PM

Dwyer: Plays in a HS offense (triple option). My HS O was more of a pro style than Georgia Tech. I equate it to evaluating a QB from a spread offense. He's a big guy with straight line speed but would have a better chance of running over someone than making them miss. He would be behind Spiller, Best, Matthews, and Dixon in my book.

"What are the chances that now that we need OL the FO will go OT-G-OT?"

I would pop open a bottle of champagne, pour it out and then drink a case of beer if this happened.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Skins930 basically it says that Dwyer's strength is his lateral agility. He's good at making the cuts inside the hole and making the first guy miss that shows up there. Dwyer would help improve the skins short yardage performance.

Posted by: TWISI | December 12, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Just keep that "my country is better than yours" to yourself.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 12, 2009 10:20 PM

Especially when "my country" is Germany. I could see national pride if you were from, say the Dominican Republic, Ethiopia, or India. But Germany? The most disgraced nation out there after their performance in two World Wars plus the Holocaust. When you hear two people speaking German, you just want to move in the opposite direction.

Posted by: League-Source | December 12, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TWISI, that was what I was thinking. Love his size and speed, but if CP is playing next year, I would go with Spiller.

Can't see this FO going Okung then Dwyer. But I will not relinquish hope that Okung falls to us and D&D pick him.

===================================

I would pop open a bottle of champagne, pour it out and then drink a case of beer if this happened.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 10:22 PM

LOL, Diesel, that's funny. Beer over Champagne every time but 1/1/any year.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

With the weather being wet in Oak and the field being soggy, any chance that the running game will be the feature on Sun? I think Ganther might just be a mudder.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:45 PM

His mother was a mudder and her mother was a mudder...Wait hold that thought, that didn't end up so well for Kramer.

Seinfeld reference for those confused.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 12, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

How could you not love Seinfeld? An episode for every occasion.

Not sure Rotfrau would agree, but that was one funny show about nothing.

Either way, give the ball to "Q" often and then some.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
But what are you willing to pay for JC? As a GM, you've already sunk $$ into the Leinhart experiment; you make a trade with the skins, dump Leinhart's contract, and make JC a nice, comfortable deal and you're officially 'all in'.
So how much are you willing to ante up?

Posted by: daggar

You base your decisions on what you need. The $$ already paid to Leinhart are gone. No shame in backing up Warner, but Leinhart is still an unknown. Campbell is a known quantity with experience and a decent rating despite second rate receivers and one of the worst OLs in football.

If I'm AZ, I'd go in for him. Those WRs alone are worth about 10 passer rating points. Plus, I'd look at this time frame as a 2-3 year 'window of opportunity' to win it all. Its not time to develop a QB, its time to have one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

If I'm AZ, I'd go in for him. Those WRs alone are worth about 10 passer rating points. Plus, I'd look at this time frame as a 2-3 year 'window of opportunity' to win it all. Its not time to develop a QB, its time to have one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2009 11:37 PM

Sorry zcest, but that is exactly what Dan and Vinny are doing w/JC. I saw your earlier post on his #s, but that is not enough to say what Lienhart is or will be.

Nope, Arizona should stick with Kurt and Leinhart. To give up on Leinhart is the same as the skins giving up on JC. See what you have before you give up on him.

Me, I would have JC over Leinhart, but the Cards would be dumb to quit on him now, especially since Warner has one (at least) or two more years in him.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 12, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 12, 2009 9:42 PM

Guess we'll have to see what the FA market will bring. Yeah. Let's bulk up on great O linemen.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

What happens when Atogwe is franchised?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

2010 Needs
1. OT
2. OG
3. RB
4. FS
5. OLB
6. OT
7. CB

This is order of need and not draft selection. I would always take the best player available as long as we weren’t using Vinny’s board.

The 2010 roster needs these positions upgraded either in the draft or FA to improve. I could simplify the list by saying we need to get younger and faster but this team is more than a year away from being competitive.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

zcest, you talk about this FO not preparing for an uncapped year that might bring a rookie salary cap, but want to talk about the Rams looking at JC.

Whose to say that they are looking at JC the way you are?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

What happens when Atogwe is franchised?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:08 AM

That would be two years in a row. It's possible.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Skins fans in Oakland -- section 348, row 8-9, seats 1-5

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 13, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 12:17 AM

Why is OG our 2nd need?

MW is doing a decent job and may be able to pull once he has adjusted to his loss of weight. I would say:

1. OT
2. RB/FS
3.RB/FS
4. OL
5. G/CB/FS
6. G/CB/FS
7. G/CB/FS

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Sorry zcest, but that is exactly what Dan and Vinny are doing w/JC. I saw your earlier post on his #s, but that is not enough to say what Lienhart is or will be.

Nope, Arizona should stick with Kurt and Leinhart. To give up on Leinhart is the same as the skins giving up on JC. See what you have before you give up on him.

Me, I would have JC over Leinhart, but the Cards would be dumb to quit on him now, especially since Warner has one (at least) or two more years in him.

Posted by: Skins930

If I'm in the shoes of the AZ GM, I'd see if Campbell is available. Obviously, a lot depends on Warner's plans. I don't want my starting QB doing on the job training if I've got a championship roster.

As for giving up on Leinhart, sometimes you have to pay a price. I'm sure Carolina would be interested.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 13, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:25 AM

The OL should be the focus of the 2010 offseason and relying on Levi and especially BMW would be a mistake. These guys are two of biggest busts as far as lineman drafted in the top 10 of the draft in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Even if there is no cap, or maybe because there is no cap, will teams be willing to part with draft picks? Another issue is if they low ball the tender offer, something I'd expect them to do at the minimum they can offer, and no one wants to part with a pick, does Campbell risk turning it down and sit out a year?

Campbell is likely to want a multi-year deal. If the Redskins just make a lowball tender offer it may make sense for him to force the issue and just turn it down. If they release him then he's free to make a deal elsewhere. If not, then he waits to see how the new CBA deal turns out.

Part of what might drive this is that if a new CBA doesn't get done in 2010 then 2011 is a lockout year. This may make teams hesitate to sign multi-year deals, especially with guaranteed money as I think they still have to pay guaranteed money in 2011. If they do spend a high draft pick for a QB there will be pressure to play him, not have him sit behind Campbell and then not play at all in 2011 adn signing on as a backup doesn't help Campbell at all.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | December 13, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

If I'm in the shoes of the AZ GM, I'd see if Campbell is available. Obviously, a lot depends on Warner's plans. I don't want my starting QB doing on the job training if I've got a championship roster.

As for giving up on Leinhart, sometimes you have to pay a price. I'm sure Carolina would be interested.

Posted by: zcezcest1

I understand that JC being the top FA QB available next year may be better than Lienhart, but you are advocating that Arizona do what we don't want the Skins FO to do w/JC.

I have demonstrated I am not a JC fan, but looking at what is available in FA and the '10 draft, no way would I let JC go.

This FO might, but if it looks like there is a market for JC, then I tender him at the top level and get a 1st and 3rd for him. This would give us two additional picks and one more 1st day pick, which is what you would have wanted this FO to do.

I know this FO would mess this up, but I find your reasoning faulty since you are advocating that the Cards do what the Skins have been trying to do- trade their QB before they know what they have.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

The OL should be the focus of the 2010 offseason and relying on Levi and especially BMW would be a mistake. These guys are two of biggest busts as far as lineman drafted in the top 10 of the draft in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44

You can say that about BMW buy I wouldn't say Levi was a bust. He played at a high level for a few years before the injuries took over. BMW never played like a top 10 pick. Maybe guard was where he should've been. I can see a little Leonard Davis in him.

Posted by: dcwun | December 13, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, you spoke earlier that w/a rookie cap and the wealth of talent coming out in 2010 that the skins did not prepare for that draft w/5 picks, yet you would say that the Cards would give up a 1st and maybe a 1st and 2nd to acquire JC, then that would mean their FO is dumber than the Skins FO.

Can't see that happening. Skins are stuck w/JC for better or worse as long as they tender him. Just can't see your scenario taking place. My opinion.

elkiii_2008 makes a good point that is in-line w/your earlier thinking. Why give up draft picks in 2010?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

He battled back from last year’s injury and has played with one arm all season. He has made contributions but his performance hasn't justified his playing time. Before Jarmon was injured, Big Phil was taking away too many snaps from him and the other young guys.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

I want guys who make plays!! Thanks for the memories PDiddy.. don't forget to write.

Posted by: elfreako

This board has no lack of stupid posts, but these two take the cake. You two geniuses probably think getting Taylor last year was a brilliant idea.

Taking snaps away from Jarmon? What, you think that kid is entitled to the position by dint of the Redskins taking him with a third round pick? Honest to God...

What Daniels has been doing with one arm this year is stopping the run, or didn't you read what Gray said. He also protects the linebacker on his side, and guess who has had a great year? McIntosh.

That's what he's paid to do and he does it. Linemen call it playing the piano. They clean up while the Haynesworths and Carters get the glamor work of rushing the passer. ALL good defenses have guys like that. ALL good defenses.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

You can say that about BMW buy I wouldn't say Levi was a bust. He played at a high level for a few years before the injuries took over. BMW never played like a top 10 pick. Maybe guard was where he should've been. I can see a little Leonard Davis in him.

Posted by: dcwun | December 13, 2009 12:47 AM

I say this considering that the goal of spending a top 10 pick on the OL translates to a 10 year solution at his position.

He wasn't and like you said injuries took over. You’d like to rely on injuries not being a concern with Levi and BMW not to falling back in love with the couch? Draft OL and stop making concessions when it comes to the OL.

This game is won and lost in the trenches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I say this considering that the goal of spending a top 10 pick on the OL translates to a 10 year solution at his position.

He wasn't and like you said injuries took over. You’d like to rely on injuries not being a concern with Levi and BMW not to falling back in love with the couch? Draft OL and stop making concessions when it comes to the OL.

This game is won and lost in the trenches.

Posted by: Diesel44

You are preaching to the wrong person about drafting an OT with the first pick.

I'm merely saying that Levi and BMW are keepers as long as they aren't that expensive. Depth is a problem at that position and I'm tired of seeing the likes of Will Montgomery and D'Anthony Batiste. OT in the first round is what I've said forever.

Posted by: dcwun | December 13, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2009 1:04 AM

Johnny, you are a peach. Cherry pick what I said and tie it into an argument that can't be quantified.

I like Phil but he was average in his prime and that was several years ago, much like yourself.

I like how you lay in the weeds with very little to offer and then correct others.

To your point about Taylor...Vinny and Dan's mistake prevented us from having the resources to trade for Cutler or trade up and get Sanchez. A shorterm mistake that prevented a longterm mistake.

You want me to credit a defensive behind Blatche and Gray that employs a strategy/scheme of giving up just enough to lose. Not going to do it.

I repeat...I like Big Phil, just as a mentor and not an every down player.

Quit spamming this board and show some insight and put what I’ve said in your pipe and smoke it.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the props.

Keep bloggin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 12, 2009 8:56 PM

Pay attention, MistaMoe. You missed it when he tipped his hand Friday -- troll is an unreformed hating, racist Nazi or, at least, he's trying to play one on RI. Put it in Google translator and judge for yourself:


Wir haben kein Kreiglustiger Afrikanishen Affe als President.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 11, 2009 5:02 PM

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

"You want my advice about what I would do in the offseason? Tweak it and fix the little things -- and keep going"

--quote Andre Carter, Philip Daniels

So what gets 'tweaked'?

And who decides what gets 'tweaked'?

Tweaking without a solid GM is just freakin' nuts.

If you 'tweak' along the lines of what has been emerging over the past four weeks, it means:


--resign Campbell

--then tell Campbell that he is expected to step forward in the media and be the face of the team

-depth and a starter must be found in the draft for the offensive line: this draft is a 'need' draft

--Haynesworth money should be spend to find a FA right guard or tackle

--feed the ball to Ganther and use Rock as a change 'o pace over the next four games to see if you'll need a drafted back

--show R McIntosh the money

--Sherm and Sherm calling Jim Zorn's plays makes sense

--this means some firm statement about Zorn coaching in '10 is coming

--Davis, Thomas, Kelly is a trio that needs more Mitchell to see if it's on the mark

--this means ARE should be shown the door just as the final game is over

--come to some sort of amicable parting with Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels, Randy Thomas

--a real free safety is as necessary as L Landry playing strong safety


Again, a GM should be making all these decision.

But we have Vinny--yikes!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Again, a GM should be making all these decision.

But we have Vinny--yikes!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 8:32 AM

No. Vinny would make better decisions. I'm convinced we have Dan Snyder. Team will go nowhere until we stop reading the words "Dan Snyder" and "scouting" in the same sentence.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

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