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An Odd Streak Nears Its End

The Kansas City Chiefs visit FedEx Field on Sunday and, at this point, two things are certain: the Chiefs are winless after five games and the Redskins' six-game streak of playing a winless opponent to open the season will end.

It's a somewhat dubious streak, given that the New York Giants could have had neither a victory nor a loss when they faced the Redskins (2-3) in a season opener at Giants Stadium. But the fact is the Giants, when they played the Redskins, were winless. And it's also a fact that three teams (the Giants, Detroit Lions and Carolina Panthers) each got their first victory against the Redskins (2-3).


That's the kind of thing that could damage the collective psyche of players who spoke of playoff aspirations when the season began, "but we can't worry about it, we've just got to stay focused and keep working," quarterback Jason Campbell said. "There's a lot of stuff out there right now, and you don't ever know what's going to happen in this game, but it's up to everyone to just keep doing their job. That's all you can do."

Wilbon Weighs In

Carlos Rogers and Jimmy Johnson have been blunt, but not incorrect, in their assessment of the Redskins, Michael Wilbon writes. ... You can enter the discussion at the Redskins Tailgate Zone now.

The View from KC

Well, at least the BBQ there is good. Kent Babb, blogger for the Kansas City Star's Red Zone, posts an entry about the draft (yes, he's moved on) and the Chiefs' needs. Atop the list is the offensive line.

In NFL News...

In a meeting in Boston, owners and Commissioner Roger Goodell addressed Rush Limbaugh's comments about wanting to purchase the St. Louis Rams. For more on that topic, go to The League.

By Jason Reid  |  October 14, 2009; 6:50 AM ET
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Comments

FIRST to say that Wilbon is right on the money with today's column. Get Bill and/or Chris Polian!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 14, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if you could get Bill, but i'm sure Chris would like to get out of his dads shadow. I think he would be a great GM, he's learned from one of the best. Plus he's young and would be hungry to show he can succeed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 14, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

If only the little man can swallow some pride and abandon his failed philosophy to cease with the fantasy team and hire a GM. Does anyone think he'll actually listen to some logic and reasoning from fans and the media? I'm still waiting for that one (for a decade).

At least the owner is not Limbaugh (maybe the Greaseman though).

On a side note about the Redskins name:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002961.html

Posted by: HTTR | October 14, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

...I retract that last statement, Danny boy isn't the Greaseman. He's not even remotely as funny (maybe to others laughing at our beloved Skins).

Posted by: HTTR | October 14, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the young Polian would be a good choice. But again, the question is whether or not Snyder would REALLY hand it over to him and not interfere. As much as it pains me, this team has to go through the major re-building that it has needed since Norv, and Snyder has to start that by getting out of the way. Good luck with that.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if you could get Bill, but i'm sure Chris would like to get out of his dads shadow. I think he would be a great GM, he's learned from one of the best. Plus he's young and would be hungry to show he can succeed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 14, 2009 7:28 AM


Thing is, I think the Colts are gonna make a move soon to make Chris the GM and phase Bill into another role. But I think throwing a bunch of cash their way will change one or both of their minds.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 14, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Heck, I'd take any of those guys mentioned, over what we've got now...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, don't worry be happy, Soup. At least someone will be. ugh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

The frustrating part of this is how good we could be with Snyder as an owner, if he would just get out of his own way. With a Polian or someone like that calling the shots on personnel and hiring coaches, and with Danny's willingness to spend the money, we could be legit...but alas...that will probably never happen...

Posted by: mattylight | October 14, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

ml, agreed, what frustrates me is how he, Snyder, can't see the forest for the tree's...I mean, we know he's not stupid, but is it just a case of narcissism...I don't know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

The problem here starts at the top. Dan MUST hire someone who knows what he is doing and then LEAVE the building. Show back up one some February day to hold the Lombardi trophy. THATS how involved he should be. But Jim Zorn is not good enough to compensate for Vinny Cerrato being a bad HR person, Vinny is not good enough to compensate for Dan's meddling. So we are deficient at all levels of management and coaching. Pure and simple. Ain't gonna change until all THREE change. All this angst and moaning aren't going to solve anything or change anything until the three things above change. I do like the thought of boycotting the games to get Dan's attention. And maybe sprinkle some bagheads in there for good measure! I'm out.

Posted by: 1of9000 | October 14, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

What is depressing about reading Wilbons column is that if Snyder took that advice the Redskins would be a Sports hegimon, hell if they could get a good GM in there and Dannyo take the back seat, the guy would have a huge bank to play with could build a monster of a scouting office. Dan Snyder needs to get a bit of the old Alex solution to problems. Nothing helps a guy realize who he is better then a beating followed by a multi-day drunken drugged out bender.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what Jimmy Johnson thinks?!! Stick it up your arse, Cowboy.

Posted by: Smiley2 | October 14, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what Jimmy Johnson thinks?!! Stick it up your arse, Cowboy.

Posted by: Smiley2 | October 14, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Thats what I thought. Could they have picked a worse messenger for a skins owner?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

smiley, he was 1000% correct, and he has the super bowl cache to back it up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

don't focus on the messenger, focus on the message....pretend it was Darrell Green saying it....what JJ said was about as SPOT on an assessment of this team as there is...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Has Snyder ever given a public answer to giving up any say in personnel changes?

I want to hear his response to these indictments.

Just so I can gage how insane he really is.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 14, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

*gauge

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 14, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Of the people mentioned in Wilbon's column, I really have liked what Rick Spielman has done with the Vikings. I remember watching a Vikings preseason game on NFLN. Spielman was in the booth for two quarters. Dude knew his stuff, particularly about what he likes to see out of his players.

Posted by: TWISI | October 14, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

don't focus on the messenger, focus on the message....pretend it was Darrell Green saying it....what JJ said was about as SPOT on an assessment of this team as there is...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Thats exactly the problem though Greg, we have all gone over how it does not matter about the message with Snyder, he is denser and has worse tunnel vision then our last president. His ears are deafer then Beethovens. He has more difficulty reading for comprehension then 98% of our fellow bloggers :P

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

al you're missing my point, people were complaining about Jimmy Johnson being the messenger, and my point was forget that it was JJ, focus on the message. The message is spot on.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see the NFL allowing Rush and his group to buy the team. Not because of Rush's politcs or what he said about Mcnabb but because of drug arrest. Charges were dropped after he completed certain conditions. Nice to ahve the money for high priced legal talent. Just about anyon else would have been convicted and faced more svere penalties. Do you really want a former addict/current addict as an owner?

He couldn't be any worse than Danny.

Posted by: vaherder | October 14, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the young Polian would be a good choice. But again, the question is whether or not Snyder would REALLY hand it over to him and not interfere. As much as it pains me, this team has to go through the major re-building that it has needed since Norv, and Snyder has to start that by getting out of the way. Good luck with that.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2009 7:40 AM

Doc Walker has said this Team is close, albeit, a couple of games ago. A GM and a coach who knows how to use players is probably the major ingredient needed.

However, Wilbon and many, many, others are of the opinion that Snyder has to put the right people in place and give up the keys and walk away.

I don't think successful owners give up the keys and walk away. What they do is get out of the mix, but the mix is all their's. A good GM is responsible for making the mix work and he convinces the owner to let him do the mixing.

When Joe Gibbs, Bobby Bethard, and The Squire, set down at the table their Responsibilitys (AOR's) had equal weight.

They discussed and made decisions and voted to decide decisions when needed. Does Danny give Vinny and Zorn their equal share in the AOR. Or, does he run the AOR.

It appears that Danny is running the AOR. He is the Coach, the GM and the Owner.

But, he can't just give up the keys and walk away, because he is the Owner.

However, he surely needs a competent Coach and GM, whom understands their AOR's and demand that Danny becomes a competent 3rd as the Owner of this franchise.

Giving up the Keys and walking away is just as bad, is the extreme opposite of what he is doing now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 14, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

SIGN THE PETITION! SELL, DANNY!

http://www.mervisdiamond.com/engagement-diamond

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 14, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Snyder doesn't have to walk away completely. Let him handle the business side where he knows what he is doing. Anything that has to do with football operations or personnel, get the hell out of the way. The only thing we need to have him succeed at is getting a competent GM. He and Al Davis are easily the worst owners in the league.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 14, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Areas of Responsibility's = AOR's

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 14, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the young Polian would be a good choice. But again, the question is whether or not Snyder would REALLY hand it over to him and not interfere

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2009 7:40 AM
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I'm of the opinion that the "question" is would a good GM actually want to come here. Snyder would have to pay a -D.C. sucks- premium, and even if he was willing to do that, the GM would have to be willing to put up with constant meddling. For up and coming GMs, there are probably much better options.

Posted by: REXskins | October 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

al you're missing my point, people were complaining about Jimmy Johnson being the messenger, and my point was forget that it was JJ, focus on the message. The message is spot on.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I am not missing the point. I think your missing the point, Fox did it just to give the team the finger.

Here is my impression of what fox did.
HA HA, we generally ignore the existence of the washington redskins. Ha ha, your team is bad so we are going to start shining a spot light. Ha ha, were gonna tell you things you already know about how bad your team is. And now here is Jimmy Johnson to **** on your table, **** your woman, and finish everything up.
End impression

There are 3 or 4 other people on that set who could have given that analysis, not like Johnson really did that work he had someone at Fox just hand him the script.

Now message, right on 100% correct I agree with you. But messenger, come on.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Dear Dan Snyder, the problem is and always has been Vinnie Cerrato! He is giving you bad advice or pretends to comfort you with your decisions in order to continue his cushy existence with you. If Vinnie does have "inappropriate" pictures of you with the Redskin Cheerleaders, we will forgive you if you would just fire Vinnie and hire a real GM that will give you "sound" advice. Remember, you can still throw your ideas against the real GM and continue to play the fantasy games, but let the real GM pick out the players and follow his sound advice only. Vinnie has never won anything anywhere, so why are you still listening to him? Make the change now and all will be forgiven. According to Mike Wilbon, your team is first in terms of operating income and margin of profit now, but imagine that margin double or triple if you get all your legions of fans back!!!! $$$$$$$ Cha-chink! Money, money, money...money!!!!! Just do it, it is a no brainer!

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 14, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think you're getting hung up on that, I think JJ has the cache to say these things because he's built a team, because he's run a successful team, and he's also worked with a meddling owner. All that other stuff, is just sensitivity on your part....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Has Snyder ever given a public answer to giving up any say in personnel changes?

I want to hear his response to these indictments.

Just so I can gage how insane he really is.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 14, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse


Yes, he has. During the head coaching search that forced him to "settle" for Zorn, when asked about bringing in a GM, Danny responded, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." That arrogant little twerp can't even see how bad things are because he doesn't want to.

Posted by: stwasm | October 14, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, as a Skins fan I abhor the messenger on that one. NFL network too w/ their Sanders/Irvin team.

Luckily my 'Canes side can assuage my rage!

It's not too late to turn this around. They can still FIRE JIM ZORN!!

funny how the NFL has turned into the NHL!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Okay does someone want to break down the BS and sarcasm for Greg?

Where's chris larry when we need him...

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

REXskins is right about not enticing the GM talent, BUTT we have one of those guys already who would take the promotion, Morrocco Brown.

Vinny is a media guy, he loves radio & tv and has skills there. Dan's second most sucsessfull venture at this point is the media/broadcasting wing. Make Vinny GM of Red Zebra (or whatever) and let him program the stations and oversee the move to movies. They can still racketball, reach around and hobknob celebs.

Say to Morrocco Brown, be our young gun GM in the theo epstein/jerry reece mold. Let him hire a coaching staff/run scouting/draft and FA...and have FB vision that is forward thinking.

Then, when the team moves from joke, to respectful to good...Snyder can dominate in the world of pro-team ownership and finally buy that english league soccer team he has dreamed of....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the young Polian would be a good choice.

Posted by: craig2 | October 14, 2009 7:40 AM

Yeah it's ammazing how a hall of fame QB can make anyone look great..


give me A.J Smith,he'll be gone from San Diego after norv finishes with that team this year

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 14, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

AJ Smith and Snyder would get along for about 3.5 minutes.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

think you're getting hung up on that, I think JJ has the cache to say these things because he's built a team, because he's run a successful team, and he's also worked with a meddling owner. All that other stuff, is just sensitivity on your part....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The part that gets me about jimmy is he wouldn't/couldn't/didn't build those teams without an owner who was fully engaged in the opperations of the team...did you happen to notice what his track record was in miami?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

REXskins is right about not enticing the GM talent, BUT we have one of those guys already who would take the promotion, Morrocco Brown.
Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for promoting Morocco Brown too. As you know, he's responsible for the late round gems (Horton & Mitchell) the Skins have uncovered during the last two drafts, not Cerrato.

Posted by: JinxMan | October 14, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

AJ Smith and Snyder would get along for about 3.5 minutes.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah they both know how insufferable marty is.that's good for about 2 seasons right there

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 14, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Or they both know how their teams got worse post Marty.....

AJ Smith fights with everyone, him and Snyder would not be a match. Won't happen.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Do you guys think we'd be dumb enough to trade for Brady Quinn? If he is selling his house he may already be getting traded. I hate to think that Danny may be trading away a draft pick on this loser. He would be as bad for a WCO as JC. Brady also has a slow release and slow read progression. This would be completely stupid and that's why it worries me. We really need a franchise left tackle in the first round of the draft next year if we are going to salvage this team anytime in the near future.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

On a related trade note, JClayton was saying last night that the Redskins were attempting to trade for Roscoe Parrish, of the bills.....why, I have no idea....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

All this talk of GM's....don't be ridiculous. The Danny will never go down that road ever again. Even if it means the continued demise of the our beloved Redskins. He's just too damn arrogant.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe we're 1-6

yeah. 1-6, because when you beat a winless team you only get half a win, and when you lose to a winless team you lose 2.

prediction Sunday 1.5-6

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Re Quinn:

He is a free agent in 3 years, maybe in preparation for that he is putting his house on the market now b/c the market is so in the tank it takes 3 years to sell!!!!! Especially in...cough Cleveland...cough!!!

(for the sake of accuracy I stole this joke from Chris Moretenson. Joke stealing is a crime. I watched a comparrison of Bill Hicks and Dennis Leary last night on youtube. Wow did Leary steal the late Hicks whole routine.)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I'd think about Speilman, but he kinda screwed the pooch in Miamuh. Perhaps he's not the real reason up in Minnehaha.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is not going to change the front office structure. He and Ceratto will stay where they are and once again hire a coach who accepts that.

See Rick Snider's piece at the Washington Examiner about Jon Gruden becoming the next coach: Gruden would accept Snyder and Ceratto being involved in personnel decisions.

This is what the Redskins are right now. It's not going to change anytime soon.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 14, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"...the Redskins were attempting to trade for Roscoe Parrish, of the bills.....why, I have no idea...."

Only if ARE could be moved. Don't think his contract allows for that though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 14, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Jeez debbie downers about the GM talk...its wednesday, can't we dream?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I saw that fumbled punt last night on NFL Real-Time and rewound it 5 or 6 times.

Someone clearly yelled, "Get Out" "Get Out"

And, I heard it each time I watched it.

That goal line stand was awesome.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Parrish is from the "U" and Portis must have been reinstated as "assistant GM"

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Now I know The Skins play on Fox, but who still watches Fox's pregame show. I watch everybody else's pregame show except for Fox.

The original Fox show was good, but when they dropped the guy that clashed with Terry, they were not as good. Then, when JB left, I stopped watching them.

The Fox Pregame is the worst lineup of them all IMO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

On a related trade note, JClayton was saying last night that the Redskins were attempting to trade for Roscoe Parrish, of the bills.....why, I have no idea....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Clearly we don't have a young wide receiver that can run under a 4.4 in the 40 and return punts or kicks. O wait Devin Thomas is faster and can do exactly that. How about trading for Tony Pashos instead?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

speaking of Bill Hicks was that 'goat boy' routine about Vinny or Danny?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"The Fox Pregame is the worst lineup of them all IMO."

ESPN is even worse. Keyshawn and Carter?? Not to mention Berman, ugh.

I can't watch any pre-game shows anymore.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 14, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I think this sums it up pretty well.

"When you call the plays and your offense produces just 198 yards, including scoring "drives" of 1 and 11 yards, you have to look in the mirror. When your team loses a 15-point third quarter lead and loses to a team that was winless, it's on you and your staff. And when some of your players don't know the rules of the fair catch, that's another black mark for the coaches. It was a very ugly final 25 minutes all around for Jim Zorn and Co."

Posted by: FedorEm | October 14, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

On a related trade note, JClayton was saying last night that the Redskins were attempting to trade for Roscoe Parrish, of the bills.....why, I have no idea....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 9:41 AM

I saw that, easy explanation. We are trying to acquire the most mediocre receiving corps ever of 2nd round picks. I am pretty sure Roscoe was a 2nd also. Plus we can't go into next year with more than 3 draft picks.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 14, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

IF Portis had any say in who we drafted wouldn't we be drafting O line at least occasionally

IF Portis had any say in who we acquired wouldn't we be aquireing O line at least occasionally

??

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn... barf. Not sure how anybody thinks Brady Quinn would be an upgrade over Jason Campbell. Or maybe this is just chain-pulling.

Yeah, cL, happy stuff for a Wednesday.

Here's to a big, impressive win on Sunday that just goes to prove what a waste this season has been so far, those two cupcake losses, what coulda-shoulda-been, the 5-1 record that would have gotten us all hot and bothered and set us up for tremendous disappointment in November/December, 2008 boom-and-bust arc all over again... ahem...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I like Dan Snyder as the owner as far as business goes. Our teams never struggles to pay to get players in. And from what I've read of him, he sounds like a pretty good guy. I have no hate against him. I just think he's not good with the football portion and needs to back off. He needs to find small, constructive ways to participate and help but otherwise let a GM run the show.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what Jimmy Johnson thinks?!! Stick it up your arse, Cowboy.
Posted by: Smiley2

Spoken like a true Redskin...JJ it's time to change the Gel...

smiley, he was 1000% correct, and he has the super bowl cache to back it up....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Go root for the CowGirls...why aren't you a Pats fan anyway

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 14, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Bean, if that Parrish trade goes through and they used draft picks to accquire him, I'm done with this team for the season.

I don't care if it's Roscoe P. Coldchain, if he doesn't play on the offensive line -- what's the point?

It's like the issues with the lines are staring them in the face, and who ever is running the show FLAT OUT refuses to try and build, or re-build the line.

Fans get the impression that Snyder is basically telling fans to:

"F off. I'm going to run it my way, and that's that. I couldn't care less how other successful teams have built their team."

F Daniel M. Snyder

Posted by: RedDMV | October 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"Go root for the CowGirls...why aren't you a Pats fan anyway"

yeah, shame on me...good call...moron..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the skins will pull the trigger on Parrish or anyone else for that matter or if we have anything another team wanted. I thought before the season started that shipping A. Montgomery to the Panthers would have been a good deal with all of their injuries, but it did not happen and now A. Montgomery has no value, b/c no one has seen him play this year.

Brady Quinn - CHild Please!

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 14, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The obvious answer is trade for a lineman...but what/who do you trade?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

red, agreed on the trade, it just seems foolish to me as well...if we send them monty for him, then maybe I'm ok with it, but if we send them a draft pick, its just galactically stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe D. Snyder is really a d bag and he wants JC to get hurt and not get a chance to play with another team and succeed!! He seems very Napoleonic?

If he wont succeed with me, he wont succeed with anyone - there are alot of businessmen like this, just saying...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, Greg, nobody who was ever associated with the Dallas NFL franchise can ever make a valid statement regarding the Washington NFL franchise. It's, like, totally a conflict of interest, or something.

Bamachooch.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Dont the bills need LB's, unless they want the smurf HB blades we got no one for them, again unless they want Monty...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 14, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I did read today that it could be a mite active trade deadline than normal. Already with that Braylon Edwards trade.

All oregame shows suck. Since I am pretty much committed to 12 hours if football from sun to mon I have cutout highlight shows in am effort to perserve family harmony. Also it's nit like I am seeking out skins post game highlights to catch a contact high...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

yeah, shame on me...good call...moron..

Little touchie this morning...no need for name calling...

my message is 1000% correct and I have what's needed to back it up...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, here's how we sell it: we tell the Bills how easy it is to convert a D lineman into a linebacker.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Chris Polian ain't walking through dem doors.

Vinny Cerrato is here to stay. He's def getting a pass on Zorn's offense since everyone Vinny was talking to said Zorn would be a great OC/Play Caller. And they were in a jam because Snyder made it a point to wait after the SuperBowl to pick a coach.

So Vinny gets pass. This time, let's hope they pick right. I would want to look at:

* Jerry Grey
* Holmgren
* Mooch
* Gruden
* Grimm
* Blache (my dark horse but I doubt it because he's already 60)

I think this team really needs a Defensive minded HEad Coach and just let the OC concentrate on the Offense.

Rex Ryan is also the DC and calls the Def plays. Gray can do that too...IMHO

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice there has been no NEWS for the last week or twoon this blog...every post is just another angle on how bad we are.

An injury update perhaps...trade rumors...new tile in the locker room anything.

I imagine it would look something like this: Redksins get new tile in their locker rooms, which is odd considering the terrible start to the season after losing a game to the lowly lions and ending a 19 game winless streak. By the way, is it Portis' fault

poll by twilligs

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

What would we be giving up for Roscoe Parrish? Isn't he a midget too? When is the trade deadline. We should be acquiring picks not sending them away.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

nate, my sincerest....I don't know what I was thinking....lost my head....gonna try and not let that happen again...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Let's trade Jim Zorn for Dick Jauron. Lose-Lose. Bills fans are as pissed as we are. I bet if this team was any good we wouldn't be telling each other to root for the cowboys. Man I hate what we have become, f'ing disgrace.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Why would we ever get new info from Regurgitate Insider...all the mayor does is rehash the same old crap and I might add, point out how many times he has shown disdain for Portis' actions or the how much he personally stated how much we needed OL in the offseason...

How do you think he gets paid, by the letter, line or # of posts?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I have one thing to say GO K.C

Posted by: joevick | October 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I heard that JJ told Dan he should fire Vinny, no arguement there.

How did Jeremy Bridges not make this team????

He's starting for the Cards, he looked very good in pre season

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Two things:

1. Skins are not going to re-sign Carlos Rogers for the money he wants (and deserves) and he wants out. Better to find a home for him now and make everyone happier ... and pick up offensive line help which is needed in the worst way.

2. I don't agree with Whitlock about much (OK, anything), except I do agree with him that this Rush Limbaugh thing with the Rams is really all about publicity for him. The rhetoric is bearing that out ... and Rush is re-gaining traction in his ratings competition with Glenn Beck.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Yeah but usually there are though provoking posts that get everybody in the mood to jibba jabba. This past month or two has been horrible, but I cant stay away.

I am such a sheep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I think this team really needs a Defensive minded HEad Coach and just let the OC concentrate on the Offense.

4th, I totally agree and J Gray may be the perfect choice. Maybe a Tomlinson in waiting.
Also bring in Dungy to balance off if not out right replace Vinny...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 14, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I think this team really needs a Defensive minded HEad Coach and just let the OC concentrate on the Offense.

4th, I totally agree and J Gray may be the perfect choice. Maybe a Tomlinson in waiting.
Also bring in Dungy to balance off if not out right replace Vinny...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 14, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot...

But he should get to be an owner if he wants to.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

We should ship out Andre Carter, Anthony Montgomery, Randle El, and maybe Doughty or Horton. I doubt we could move Randle El but we could try. The only players we should be aquiring are a OT, FS, SLB, or OT.

I know I said OT twice. I like OTs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

baaah....if both JC, and CR walk after this year, ugh, the 2005 draft is such a waste, 2 first round picks and absolutely nothing to show for it....kind of reminds me of 2000, when we had 2 first round picks and still have nothing to show for it....sigh...the more things change, the more they stay the same...meet the new boss...same as the old boss

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Why would we ever get new info from Regurgitate Insider...all the mayor does is rehash the same old crap and I might add, point out how many times he has shown disdain for Portis' actions or the how much he personally stated how much we needed OL in the offseason...

How do you think he gets paid, by the letter, line or # of posts?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

And the fact that te post doesn't see anything wrong with that is disturbing.

Does anyone think that this man can do his job objectionably??screw the blog your reporting is slanted when you don't like someone,and to openly say so?how can you ever get any type of insider info from the people who are not rock cartwright?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 14, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

There's some irony in our draft strategy. VC's strategy to take the best player available to maximize the talent is backfiring completely. I'm guessing he did this with the notion that if the talent worked out the way he was so sure it was, then he'd have more solid receivers than he needed. Then he could make trades with his "best players available" to address the other needs. This is a sound strategy if you take the players by themselves, like if this was baseball.

Unfortunately VC is an idiot. He doesn't realize that Football is a team sport. Because he didn't address the OL, the new receiver's suffer. Because the receiver's suffer, their potential talent (which we may never know of) is not showcased. So now his brilliant best player available strategy leaves him with talent(maybe) which he can't even use, and a complete inability to trade to address needs.

Talk about a complete strategy failure.

Posted by: REXskins | October 14, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

How did Jeremy Bridges not make this team????

He's starting for the Cards, he looked very good in pre season

Posted by: pabrian2003

Zorn was asked about why we did not sign Jeremy Bridges in a fan email yesterday on Redskins Nation....he looked kind of blank and said "I'm not sure where Jeremy is."

I agree - we should have kept him. Or at least re-signed him before the Cards snatched him up.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 14, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

How did Jeremy Bridges not make this team????

He's starting for the Cards, he looked very good in pre season

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM

Vinny's pride and manlove for the Mike Williams Experiment.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I know I said OT twice. I like OTs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse
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too bad dan snyder doesnt

Posted by: AhsanFamily | October 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

jumbo, I think you and mhartz, with your complaints, have proven that Reid can do his job "objectionably."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Bills have 2 RB's either one is better then our best.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins are pursuing a Bills WR they should go after TO. They could trade him for MK12 straight up. It would work for everyone. Snyder gets another big name to parade around. TO is a true WCO receiver, and you could see how this offense runs with a true number one receiver. We also would get rid of MK12 who it seems is always going to be injured anyway. We have another 6'4 receiver in waiting who may have more upside in Marko Mitchell. TO will be gone at the end of the year so even if he is a problem he will be gone.


With how things have gone this season what do we have to lose. Santana and Cooley would benefit from him drawing the double coverage they now do. If nothing else we know he would be motivated when we play the Eagles or Dallas. I know this would never happen but I think it is the move that makes the most sense because any offensive lineman worth a damn is not going anywhere in the middle of the season.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 14, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Talk about a complete strategy failure.

Posted by: REXskins | October 14, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

BPA can work well if it's complimented by free agency. Instead of singing an offensive tackle in the offseason we signed a defensive tackle. We got Haynesworth instead of Jordan Gross, Stacy Andrews, Jason Peters, Jon Runyan, Mark Tauscher, Tony Pashos, Tra Thomas, etc. Any startegy would fail if Vinny was in charge of it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It's time for a fire sale.

Trade whoever we can for whatever we can get...as long as it's draft picks. No players.

CP for a sixth round pick? Pull the trigger.

Cooley for a third? Make it happen.

7th rounder for Carlos? F*ck yeah!

We need to rebuild this byatch from the ground up...and the top down. It's time for Dan Snyder to sack up and admit he's failed as a football guy and bring in someone that can do the job.

Now, if you'll excuse me, my winged unicorn is double-parked.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

And I believe we have finally come full circle now.

Two years ago I went on a tirade of how Fantasy Football is ruining the league.
...
...

.... ladies and gentlemen, I give you Dan Snyder and the '09/'10 Washington Redskins.


I rest my case.

[I'll accept arguments that it's not all of football, just my (and a few other's) team].

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Because he didn't address the OL, the new receiver's suffer. Because the receiver's suffer, their potential talent (which we may never know of) is not showcased. So now his brilliant best player available strategy leaves him with talent(maybe) which he can't even use, and a complete inability to trade to address needs.

Talk about a complete strategy failure.

Posted by: REXskins

Then why does Zorn lose his job? The WC Offense is predicated on timing and with the lack of an effective offensive line, it cant happen.

If they fire Zorn right now and bring in the greatest coach ever, what impact could the new coach have?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If they fire Zorn right now and bring in the greatest coach ever, what impact could the new coach have?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

In the imortal words of Dean Wormer: "Zero point zero." But Dan Snyder would feel like he's doing something when in reality that "something" is setting the team back further.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 14, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Then why does Zorn lose his job? The WC Offense is predicated on timing and with the lack of an effective offensive line, it cant happen.

If they fire Zorn right now and bring in the greatest coach ever, what impact could the new coach have?

Posted by: CheyenneWY

Firing Zorn now would be absolutely ridiculous and only cause more drama. No NEW coach would come in until next season and no interim coach will do any better with our lack of O line.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

How did Jeremy Bridges not make this team????

He's starting for the Cards, he looked very good in pre season

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM

Vinny's pride and manlove for the Mike Williams Experiment.

Posted by: dcsween

Bridges is good enough to start for the NFC Champs but he can't beat out Chad Rheinhart in DC? Who now isn't good enough to be active on gamedays?!?

Makes sense in Vinny World apparently like drafting Taylor Jacobs over Anquan Boldin.

Posted by: elfreako | October 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I know the problem is at the top, but this team would be 4-1 if Gruden was the coach. Or Shanahan. Or Holmgren.

Further, a strong coach stands up to the Spaghetti Gang and demands the front office draft along the OL, year after year.

A quality coach would make a huge difference. Even without an OL.

Problem is, most coaches would also want to be GM ... and very few are good at both jobs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 14, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I think his salary is 6.5 million. That may put us over the salary cap.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Now I know The Skins play on Fox, but who still watches Fox's pregame show. I watch everybody else's pregame show except for Fox.

The original Fox show was good, but when they dropped the guy that clashed with Terry, they were not as good. Then, when JB left, I stopped watching them.

The Fox Pregame is the worst lineup of them all IMO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse


You hit the nail on the head larry, when JB left I quit watchin. I find Bradshaw funny, and Howie to a point, but I can't stand the show now its just awful. I either watch the one on CBS or the one on ESPN now.

Posted by: Veretax | October 14, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

How about the fact coming here can be CAREER SUICIDE? You come here for one year and end up being like Marty. Danny boy misses his toy and wants it back. yeah you get a fat check for a short time, but what do you do after the wasted time in DC fighting and proving your worth to a meddlesome owner.

It's not as simple as people think. For the same reason premier coaches won't come, the same will apply to GMs.

Posted by: oknow1 | October 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

FFUpdate

The tightly contested Hamsters league had a swinging weekend.

Suzanne continued to trip her competition, with an 88-75 win over Coproliths. Her win came on the heels of strong games for Matt Schaub, Cedric Benson and Brandon Marshall. It did not come on the hells of her kicker, since she had none.

Zornskins moved to 3-2 with a 92-44 win over Butz. mcnabb, Adrian Peterson and TJ Housh all had big days for Zorn.

Ahmad's Realskins also moved to 3-2, easily taking care of the winless Koolaid Kids, 82-32. Koolaid had 5 players that each had zero points.

Etrod's E Funk also moved to 3-2, and into a tie with Sween's Hamstweengs. Funk's 95-51 win was led by Peyton and Michael Turner combined for 50 points. Stweengs 4 pass catchers only netted him 11 points.

In an ugly battle Dealer led Alpa Chino, 38-36 going into Monday night's game, with the jints defense and kicker providing 34 points for dealer. Dealer left 3 guys with BYEs in his lineup, as the Chinos managed to have no one hit double digits. On MNF, Dealer opened up and won 70-36.

It would come down to Monday night for my Salmon team vs cL's Bombers. cL rode Roddy White's 39 point game to a 5 point lead going into the decisive Jets/Miami clash. Salmon trailed until Thomas Jones scored a TD in 4th quarter, then another, resulting in a 78-61 win. cL had a -6 points in the MNF game from the Jets defense and a shutout of Dustin Keller.

Suzanne's Trippin Billies lead the league with a perfect 5-0 record, with Dealer at 4-1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

The Peeps league had its thrill-a-minute ride working overtime.

My bye week depleted Futa Swimmers were dropped by the Jackalopes, 106-66. Portis, Housh, Schaub and Benson all had between 18 and 21 points for the Jacks, who now stand with the Swimmers at 3-2.

Two teams finishing the week's action at 2-3 were Nate and the East Coast Shaft, courtesy of the Shaft's 94-68 win. The Shaft got 19 from the jints d and Big Ben to lead the way

In a battle of 3-1 teams, the Buffaloes led the Fins by 5 points going into Monday Night, with the winner moving into 1st place. The Fins got a big game from Ronnie Brown to close the win, 82-58 and are in sole possession of 1st place.

Future Winners topped a depleted Skulls team, with Larry Fitzgerald providing 19 points.

IN a match of worst vs first, League leader Tampa faced the previously winless Steers. But it was the Steers that feasted with 146 points. The ATL connection of Ryan, Turner and White had 92 points in the win. The 146-54 beatdown resulted in Tampa falling to 3-2. Two Tampa players laid goose eggs, while a 3rd players, Cle QB Derek Anderson, went for negative points!!

4-12 led his squad against Alex's Zombie's. The Zombie's played dead this week losing 100-60. 4-12's Ahmad Bradshaw scored 29. Warner and Andre Johnson were also 20+ point scorers for 4-12.

5 games into the season, its a complete horse race as ther are no unbeatens. The 4-1 Fins lead the league, but 6 teams are 3-2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It's time for a fire sale.

Trade whoever we can for whatever we can get...as long as it's draft picks. No players.

CP for a sixth round pick? Pull the trigger.

Cooley for a third? Make it happen.

7th rounder for Carlos? F*ck yeah!

We need to rebuild this byatch from the ground up...and the top down. It's time for Dan Snyder to sack up and admit he's failed as a football guy and bring in someone that can do the job.

Now, if you'll excuse me, my winged unicorn is double-parked.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse


i totally agree starting to get rid of almost everyone...i wouldnt necessarily get rid of the young guys like cooley, landry, orakpo, etc...

but trading players like ARE, carter, griffin, etc..guys who will be cut at the end of this year anyway for WHATEVER you can get

this is exactly what the caps did years back when they stockpiled on draft picks...look at them now, a young and dynamic team with promise

Posted by: AhsanFamily | October 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

PASkinsFan

Could it work if we threw Ladell into the deal? Mason could be CPs primary backup...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 14, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

A quality coach would make a huge difference. Even without an OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Does that follow the same logic as "when you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Can't we move Roscoe to LT? Sounds like a perfect Skins move.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 14, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Having a fire sale is fine, but trading all these players for draft choices while keeping the front office structure the same is useless. We will get all these young players who can't play. Have a fire sale but get a GM first

Posted by: connskins | October 14, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

zeke, I engineered things so that He Nate Me's record would be the same as the Redskins'. As the league commissioner I have this power.

As the Redskins go, I've always said, so goes He Nate Me. It is what it is.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Has there been any talk about a players only meeting?

Would be good to see some of the team captains step up and make a little noise.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

What is all this Roscoe Parrish talk? Why do we need another medicore WR?

Posted by: FedorEm | October 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Bye bye Booty
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 14, 2009 10:51 AM ET
There was a lot of debate in the preseason whether the Vikings would get rid of Tarvaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels after acquiring Brett Favre, since they already had a developmental third quarterback they liked in John David Booty.

Well they must not like Booty that much.

The Vikings released Booty off the team's practice squad Wednesday in order to sign tackle Clint Oldenburg.

Jackson is the team's backup right now, but he's not under contract next year. Rosenfels edges out Byron Leftwich as the most expensive third quarterback in the league, but he's the only quarterback on the roster the Vikings know for sure will be under their control in 2010.


I really think we should pick this guy up for maybe a starting spot next year.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 14, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan, if unloading ARE is a problem, then unloading Carter is a problem. They have the same contacts.

Re: Jerry Grey (the elevation of whom works fine for me too), I recall that in the recent re-emergence of Megskin (and when defense gets and stays bad, she will be back again), Grey is the focus of her "overly soft cushion" of CBs in coverage ... and consequent burned getting by our secondary.

Cheyenne, I want to get to be an owner too. When Limbaugh was on Leno the other night, Leno said something like "You and I have different approaches to things. When I walk into a room, I ask 'is it cold in here?'. When you walk into a room, you say 'Its cold in here, shut the damb window!'" Good luck to the Rams with their Dan Snyder. Both football geniuses with big wallets and a "do as I say!" business style. That's what is making pro football great!

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

7 coaches in 11 seasons for the Skins.

ESPN is reporting that the Skins have not contacted Gruden who is supposedly the front runner for the Skins job.

Fight the Bully and keep Zorn. Keep the system together for continuity and get some help on the O-Line

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

RB: Clinton Portis 37, Mike Sellers 28, Ladell Betts 11, Marcus Mason 2.

TE: Chris Cooley 52, Fred Davis 12, Todd Yoder 1.

WR: Santana Moss 48, Malcolm Kelly 28, Antwaan Randle El 26, Devin Thomas 25.

*Not included are Carolina penalties for off-sides and neutral zone infraction.

Analysis: Thomas' snaps were a season high and Davis' playing time was his most since Week 2. ... On a 12-play second-half drive, Portis played only five snaps. ... The Redskins used an empty backfield five times. ... On Portis' TD run (1 yard) in the third quarter, the Redskins went about as jumbo as you can -- 1 RB and 4 TE -- Cooley, Davis, Yoder and Sellers.

DEFENSE (63 snaps)

DL: Kedric Golston 53, Lorenzo Alexander 14, Jeremy Jarmon 17, Albert Haynesworth 50, Phillip Daniels 37, Andre Carter 60.

LB: Rocky McIntosh 48, H.B. Blades 8, London Fletcher 61, Chris Wilson 2, Brian Orakpo 57.

DB: Justin Tryon 18, Carlos Rogers 63, DeAngelo Hall 63, LaRon Landry 61, Reed Doughty 20, Kareem Moore 2, Chris Horton 58.

*Not included is Carolina's first-quarter delay of game penalty.

Analysis: The Redskins used "sub" packages 18 times -- 3 snaps in 'nickel' (5 DB) and 15 snaps in 'dime' (6 DB). ... Through five games, Haynesworth has played in 70.3 percent of the snaps (222 of 316). ... Hall hasn't left the field in the last four games and has played 314 of 316 snaps. ... Golston played his season high because of Cornelius Griffin's absence. ... Fred Smoot's phasing out continues -- no time on defense. ... Carolina is pretty vanilla in its personnel -- not counting a hurry-up drive at the end of the first half, the Panthers used 3 or more receivers on just 8 of 56 snaps. ... The Redskins again sprinkled in some three-man DL packages and also had Orakpo in a stand-up position on some third downs.

Other observations ...

*Brian Billick was dead on regarding the hiring of Sherman Lewis as "offensive consultant" and Future Play Caller Should Z Get Zapped: "Here's the problem I have with bringing in Sherman Lewis, who is an oustanding coach. You have a head coach -- who, by the way, the players love and respect Jim Zorn -- but he's under fire right now. And yeah, you can bring in that extra set of eyes but that tells your players, your organization, 'I've got some serious issues here and I'm not sure my head coach can handle it.' ... I don't know if bringing in Sherm Lewis is the answer the message you want to send to your players."

*On Campbell's first sack, the Redskins went empty backfield and a five-man route. Don't expect to see a lot of those anymore.

*Rogers blitzed from his right cornerback spot with Landry taking over the coverage on Steve Smith. Smith caught a 13-yard pass on a second-and-17 play.

*The Redskins had to defend the 'Wildcat' for the first time this year. DeAngelo Williams took the shot gun snap twice but with minimal results.

I'd still like to see Jarmon getting more time, as well as DT handling the KR duties...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

RB: Clinton Portis 37, Mike Sellers 28, Ladell Betts 11, Marcus Mason 2.

TE: Chris Cooley 52, Fred Davis 12, Todd Yoder 1.

WR: Santana Moss 48, Malcolm Kelly 28, Antwaan Randle El 26, Devin Thomas 25.

*Not included are Carolina penalties for off-sides and neutral zone infraction.

Analysis: Thomas' snaps were a season high and Davis' playing time was his most since Week 2. ... On a 12-play second-half drive, Portis played only five snaps. ... The Redskins used an empty backfield five times. ... On Portis' TD run (1 yard) in the third quarter, the Redskins went about as jumbo as you can -- 1 RB and 4 TE -- Cooley, Davis, Yoder and Sellers.

DEFENSE (63 snaps)

DL: Kedric Golston 53, Lorenzo Alexander 14, Jeremy Jarmon 17, Albert Haynesworth 50, Phillip Daniels 37, Andre Carter 60.

LB: Rocky McIntosh 48, H.B. Blades 8, London Fletcher 61, Chris Wilson 2, Brian Orakpo 57.

DB: Justin Tryon 18, Carlos Rogers 63, DeAngelo Hall 63, LaRon Landry 61, Reed Doughty 20, Kareem Moore 2, Chris Horton 58.

*Not included is Carolina's first-quarter delay of game penalty.

Analysis: The Redskins used "sub" packages 18 times -- 3 snaps in 'nickel' (5 DB) and 15 snaps in 'dime' (6 DB). ... Through five games, Haynesworth has played in 70.3 percent of the snaps (222 of 316). ... Hall hasn't left the field in the last four games and has played 314 of 316 snaps. ... Golston played his season high because of Cornelius Griffin's absence. ... Fred Smoot's phasing out continues -- no time on defense. ... Carolina is pretty vanilla in its personnel -- not counting a hurry-up drive at the end of the first half, the Panthers used 3 or more receivers on just 8 of 56 snaps. ... The Redskins again sprinkled in some three-man DL packages and also had Orakpo in a stand-up position on some third downs.

Other observations ...

*Brian Billick was dead on regarding the hiring of Sherman Lewis as "offensive consultant" and Future Play Caller Should Z Get Zapped: "Here's the problem I have with bringing in Sherman Lewis, who is an oustanding coach. You have a head coach -- who, by the way, the players love and respect Jim Zorn -- but he's under fire right now. And yeah, you can bring in that extra set of eyes but that tells your players, your organization, 'I've got some serious issues here and I'm not sure my head coach can handle it.' ... I don't know if bringing in Sherm Lewis is the answer the message you want to send to your players."

*On Campbell's first sack, the Redskins went empty backfield and a five-man route. Don't expect to see a lot of those anymore.

*Rogers blitzed from his right cornerback spot with Landry taking over the coverage on Steve Smith. Smith caught a 13-yard pass on a second-and-17 play.

*The Redskins had to defend the 'Wildcat' for the first time this year. DeAngelo Williams took the shot gun snap twice but with minimal results.

I'd still like to see Jarmon getting more time, as well as DT handling the KR duties...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Zeke!

See, having the computer pick your team is sometimes the right thing to do!

I have already set my line up for this week - to make sure I have a kicker!

Now, if I only had the same record in my work FF league where we play for money and not just bragging rights.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 14, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I realize it is early and not yet time for the rats to leave the sinking ship, but I would like to see some changes on offense this week.

-Since the offensive line won't be pass blocking very well (count on it), wouldn't it make sense to have your biggest receivers out there to muscle short passes and run-block for runs to the outside? Put MK and DT in as starters and throw Moss and ARE in on third and long.

-To hit the edge on those runs to the outside, I think it is time to see what Alridge has to offer. A screen is just about as good as a sweep, so mix them in the game plan.

-Since Portis has slowed down, let Mason get some carries. Run him between the guard-center on the left and off tackle on the right. Mix in a few other runs for deception.

-Campbell in the shotgun can at least see who is gunning for him. I recommend a few draws from the shotgun to slow those pass rushers down. This is where Portis comes in because he is a decent blocker.

-It means activating Marko Mitchell, but I would like to see a five wide receiver shotgun alignment (no Cooley in this formation). Get the safeties to bite under by sending Moss and ARE on crossing routes underneath while having MM go deep. MK and DT run short outs. Campbell gets three seconds and if he can't find anyone open he needs to use his feet to get what he can.

-Throw to Cooley. For Pete's sake, don't take your best receiver out of the game to block. Use an extra offensive lineman, Yoder, Davis and Sellers to help reinforce the blocking, while Cooley gets down field.

-On defense, I think moving Orakpo around as a blitzer would be a better use for him than sending him out into coverage. Move him all over the place like the Giants used to use Lawrence Taylor. The Redskins can (O)rack up some sacks on KC...

-Bracket the KC receiver Bowe. The other receivers are "medium" (quote intended).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

A quality coach would make a huge difference. Even without an OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Does that follow the same logic as "when you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are?

Posted by: CheyenneWY

Yup, though the coach thing could change ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, that's a great idea, and I think we should get that talk going right now:

The Redskins should have a players-only meeting led by the team captains. The team captains are the potentially-career-ending-injury-having Chris Samuels, front-office-bent-over-backwards-to-trade Jason Campbell, MVP London Fletcher, Grampa Cornelius Griffin, modestly capable Rock Cartwright, and the recently enriched and more recently called-out-as-whifftastic Mike Sellers.

The agenda for this meeting:
1. I never thought I'd say this, but I'd like to hear more from Carlos.
2. It's us against the world.
3. Ain't nobody believe in us.
4. Sit down and shut up, Clinton. Who invited you, anyway?
5. If loving Dan Snyder's money is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
6. Offense guys help the defense guys (channeling the "black guys help the white guys" line from "Stripes"), and ensuing brawl
7. WR-TE-WR

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If they fire Zorn right now and bring in the greatest coach ever, what impact could the new coach have?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM

It would change the subject ... re-inspire NEW HOPE ... AGAIN ... and, thus re-ignite merchandise sales.

I part ways with chRIs LaRrY (and, I think, 4th Floor) on Zorn. I want him to stay. Ideally, the best thing would be to find a way for him to do the job he was hired to do ... offensive coordinator. Having been head coach, however, makes that rather difficult (but not impossible). I do agree, however, that right now, his job title probably has become "interim head coach" and the question is whether there will be a change in interim head coaches mid-season.

If the salary cap busts, what happens to dead cap space? I'd be OK with a major roster purge at the high end of the range too, but for dead cap space management.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon's column is spot on. Bill Polian is a smart guy though. I wonder whether he'd steer his son to or away from working for Snyder in his first GM gig.

From Jimmy Johnson's comments it sounds like he's looked into the skins problems in some detail - kind of reminiscent of when Marty took Snyder to task on air before becoming HC. Jimmy Johnson for GM? As much as I hated him as a Cowboy there's no denying he could judge talent. I doubt he'd coach again but becoming a GM like Parcells might be something for him. He'd also have the opportunity to stick it to Jerrah twice a year.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Also, zcezcest, three of my four 'pass catchers' had bye weeks.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

sween, hasn't Zorn's job title always been "interim head coach"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

slimbo-Rice,
If nothing else, the Redskins could have a Booty call on every play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Then why does Zorn lose his job? The WC Offense is predicated on timing and with the lack of an effective offensive line, it cant happen.

If they fire Zorn right now and bring in the greatest coach ever, what impact could the new coach have?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn's biggest problem is that he's trying to run a WCO without WCO personnel. Abandoning the WCO is the best thing this offense could do. JC is not a WCO QB and the receivers are too young to run disciplined routes. We can't even get the fundamentals of the WCO. All we are doing is making our QB and receivers look stupid. If we're going to look stupid then let's at least do it from a spread offense. Then we can claim that we are pioneers in a new system and that's why we aren't any good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Zeke- My new strategery with the RB position paid off...since my only 2 worth a crud [Jacobs and Bradshaw] play for the Giants, I'm starting them every week. That way, I at least get some points whenever the G-men run the ball.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 14, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Two things:

1. Skins are not going to re-sign Carlos Rogers for the money he wants (and deserves) and he wants out. Better to find a home for him now and make everyone happier ... and pick up offensive line help which is needed in the worst way.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM

I understand what you are saying, but that would be retarded. Who do you intend to replace CR22 with? Tryon?

Posted by: ecale25 | October 14, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

slimbo-Rice,
If nothing else, the Redskins could have a Booty call on every play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Lol, it would be a hell of a lot better seeing a booty call than what we have to watch now on Sundays!!! good line!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 14, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson, of the Dallas Cowboys, likes only one owner less than he likes Jerry Jones. Big Media vulture flocks have descended on The Owner because the thing he's built is failing (and The Owner is doing his best to accelerate that, see Billick on Sherm Lewis above) ... plus The Owner is a d-bag ... and Big Media vulture flock has been circling for long enough not to start plucking out a few eyeballs once in a while.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

thanks Greg for the play snaps

By my count, 30 guys played 10 or more snaps. Among those 30 are several new & young (25 or under, I think) guys.

Batiste, Kelly, Thomas, Tryon, Davis, Jarmon, Orakpo

Young guys who've been here (not new) that are getting snaps include

Doughty, Horton and Heyer

Note sure how old Landry, Hall, Alexander, Golston are, but I think they are 25/26-ish

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

... Abandoning the WCO is the best thing this offense could do. ...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 11:17 AM

I disagree. Building success requires "building" ... have a plan and stick to it. Continuity builds teams, character, success. Blowing up everything on an underlying philosophy every two years gets us ... well, it gets us what we have now.

ecale25, despite my loudest, most hoarse screaming and ridicule of Tryon, he has proved me wrong quite a bit this season and is the only real surprise I've seen. Is he ready or anywhere near Rogers' talent level? No, but its a matter of finding value now or letting Rogers walk at the end of an already unhappy season in what is clearly a frustrated locker room. Rogers isn't going to be any happier if the CBA expires and his free agency opportunity gets pushed back requiring him to stay. Hell, go out and bring back Matteral Richardson ... or ... wait for it ... LEIGH TORRENCE!

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Also, zcezcest, three of my four 'pass catchers' had bye weeks.

Posted by: dcsween

I'm just a hater when I make my report

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

this year: Build a line through the Draft and use Free Agency to get a young RB, a younger backup QB, a stopgap OLB, and a stopgap FS.

Next year and the year after Hold onto them picks, draft an actual OLB (not a DE to convert), a QB, a WR, a RB, a CB, buy using a BAP approach we should be able to cover these 5 spots in the first 3 rounds of the next two off seasons.

Do not sign anyone over 25. Do not resign anyone over 30.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

jarmon needs to start getting more time, especially with PD's injury...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn's biggest problem is he's kina an idiot.

"I" formation in the end-zone. 'Nuff said.

Firing Jim Zorn NOW makes ALL KINDS of sense. Provided you bring in a ball-buster the players respect. Look at Singletary in SF. I'm not saying whoever they bring in will be the long term solution. But it's not too late to salvage this team -

And for SJK's sake, I'm ready for Collins and then a healthy Colt Brennan. Play some Marko. Mix it up.

For all the things that this team screws up, there are points in every game where you can say "If this coarching call wasn't made, we would have succeeded". The problems on this team are established. Now manage them.

And WaPo - there's NO indication what the 'new set of eyes' is doing at this point?! You were all over Bingo Lewis when he was brought in - now it's all lock-down? Investigators investigate!

I wouldn't mind Bingo taking a stab at coarching this mess. He can't be much worse, and if he is - then better draft pics. win-win.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Zeke- My new strategery with the RB position paid off...since my only 2 worth a crud [Jacobs and Bradshaw] play for the Giants, I'm starting them every week. That way, I at least get some points whenever the G-men run the ball.

Posted by: 4-12 |

Tried the same thing with Lynch and Jackson in Buffalo. Turns out, it's not the same

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh & can we stop playing OSackPo at linebacker now?! Woulda won that game if he didn't give up the 6. He's not a coverage guy yet. Not in the red zone, anyway.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I disagree. Building success requires "building" ... have a plan and stick to it. Continuity builds teams, character, success. Blowing up everything on an underlying philosophy every two years gets us ... well, it gets us what we have now.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

We have the personnel to run a coryell offense right now. The only issue is the pass protection. That is a big issue. I don't want to blow anything up. I just want to use what we have more effectively. I actually think we would be more effective from a spread offense than we are from this f'd up WCO. Fist and foremost before we do anything we need an offensive line and a play caller.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Fist and foremost" goes a long way to describing where we are with the Skins this season, PA...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

One thought is that the Skins will go with Jarmon, Carter and Orakpo as the DEs this week. Wynn is on the roster, but not active. And Robert Henson may be active, perhaps even starting, as strong side LB.

fwiw, Orakpo at LB/DE means he's on the field a ton of plays

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

This just in from Associated Press:

"Redskins to Release Dan Snyder"

AP-October 13 2009

Washington Redskins have released Dan Snyder with several years left on his contract. Sources confirm that organization felt that he has not lived up to the expectations of him. "Dan Snyder has been a disappointment on the field and in the locker room" said a source who asked to remain anonymous. "We wish him well on his next endeavor, we are just happy that it won't be with the Redskins!"

Sources familiar with the situation confirm that several teams have expressed interest in Snyder. Top amongst them, is the Oakland Raiders. "The Oakland Raiders have been negotiating behind doors to lure Snyder" said our source, "there seems to be a natural chemistry between the two"

Snyder's agent refused to comment on his immediate plans, "we are going to take this one day at a time and see what happens. Dan was hoping to end his career in Washington, but that wasn't meant to be, I guess"

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Actually I did hear a rumor that The Danny was flat broke. Any confirmation? That would be soooo sweet.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

PA, I agree. I've said it before. At least 1/3 of our plays should be out of the shotgun with Mike Sellers as the back, in to protect Campbell. Campbell plays best out of the gun and Sellers is big enough (and hopefully mobile enough) to stone a DL guy that breaks through.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

If some are throwing out suggestions regarding a new coach, I would say Cowher - because the division Pittsburgh was in most resembles the NFC East. I would want a coach with some weight to throw around, enough that he would insist that Vinny hit the road. Shanahan is too much a "finesse" coach for me. Smashmouth!

Posted by: 1of9000 | October 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson, of the Dallas Cowboys, likes only one owner less than he likes Jerry Jones. Big Media vulture flocks have descended on The Owner because the thing he's built is failing (and The Owner is doing his best to accelerate that, see Billick on Sherm Lewis above) ... plus The Owner is a d-bag ... and Big Media vulture flock has been circling for long enough not to start plucking out a few eyeballs once in a while.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 11:23 AM

And after dealing with meddling Jerrah he'd probably want no part of working with Snyder but it's a thought at least.

JJ for GM!

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for having a 'Cane as a GM. But remember Jimmy's Dolphin Daze? I don't thing he's lookin' to get back in anywhere. He ran out of juice back then. Of course, GMin ain't Coachin...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh & can we stop playing OSackPo at linebacker now?! Woulda won that game if he didn't give up the 6. He's not a coverage guy yet. Not in the red zone, anyway.

Posted by: DikShuttle

DikShuttle,

I keep wondering why they have to make Orakpo what they call a complete player. Who made this decision and why can't he just be a Defensive end? Why does he have to pass cover?

Isn't rushing the QB a greater need than pass coverage?

Who has insight on this?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 14, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I've heard that he's content with not coaching as well but maybe he sees what Parcells is doing and thinks GMing might be fun. Of course I'm just throwing stuff against the wall.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

F Jimmy Johnson's Cowboy azz. Boycott
Wilbon for even talking to that bozo. I thought JJ was retiring to go fishing everyday. Good place for that jerk. Lost at sea would better a better place.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Can we please hire Russ Grimm immediately and start playing "Redskin" football again? West Coast is p*ssy ball and will never work in the East. No Grudens, Holgrens, and I'll even throw Shannahan's zone-blocking bs in there too. And Pittsburg hasn't played tough ball since Russ left. You hearin me, Danny. Come on, Coach Grimm!

Posted by: JHvet1 | October 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

West Coast is p*ssy ball and will never work in the East

logical, and factually incorrect....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Our O line dictates our style of play and right now that line says we are fu*ked.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo seems WAY too small for a full time DE. He'd have to bulk up to play the run there. Coaches are using him the right way, he'll get better in time.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Snyder is looking at Gruden as the next coach. Not sure how i feel about that one. I definately think that he will bring some fire and emotion to the team. I don't think 'medium' is working out too well. Sadly, I don't think Snyder plans on firing Cerrato, which means nothing will change. I think Gruden combined with either of the Polians would make for a great match. I know that Gibbs/Beatherd was a golden combo, even though they didn't always agree with each other. I think passing on Shanahan is the right move. My second choice would be Cohwer, then Grimm. Grimm is my dark horse. I here Cerrato should get a pass because of the 'I didn't hire that dude to coach the team' factor. But what does that have to do with not addressing the O-line over the last two drafts? He should be fired for WR/TE/WR. Case Closed.

Posted by: ralston21 | October 14, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, stop the talk of Jimmy Johnson coming here. There are some things that true Redskins fans just do not do. Don't go there.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Hiring Grimm doesn't solve our Cerrato/Snyder problem unless Snyder decides to hire a new GM as well and remove himself from personnel decisions.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh & can we stop playing OSackPo at linebacker now?! Woulda won that game if he didn't give up the 6. He's not a coverage guy yet. Not in the red zone, anyway.

Posted by: DikShuttle

DikShuttle,

I keep wondering why they have to make Orakpo what they call a complete player. Who made this decision and why can't he just be a Defensive end? Why does he have to pass cover?

Isn't rushing the QB a greater need than pass coverage?

Who has insight on this?

LarryInClintonMD.


its prolly vinny...this has been a problem for YEARS...they did the same thing to lavar, marcus washington, chris wilson, and now orakpo

skins love makin players play out of position...like randle el as a two when hes really a three (until this year), landry at FS when he should be at SS, and marko mitchell on the bench when he should be on the field

Posted by: AhsanFamily | October 14, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't watch that embedded video above without thinking Charley Casserly and Vinny Cerrato should switch jobs. Now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, stop the talk of Jimmy Johnson coming here. There are some things that true Redskins fans just do not do. Don't go there.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:16 PM

I know, I know but desperate times call for desperate measures. I don't see it as any worse than the Bill Parcells talk that was up here a few days ago.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers killed any chance staying here long-term.

At least we won't have to worry about possibly overpaying for a CB that is middle-of-the-road.


Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a damn if they dug up Tom Landry and asked him to be the GM then hired Jimmy Johnson as HC, Troy Aikman as QB coach, and Emmitt Smith as RB coach.

Just because someone used to have ties to a 'Skins rival don't mean s*** to me.

They need someone other than the current "brain trust" to come in and right this clusterfudge.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I read in the previous post about folks in the lockerroom and organization souring on CP26.

I don't blame them and I saw it coming.

NO ONE likes a self-absorbed prima-donna. When CP26 was grinding out yards and carrying the offense, that was his shield.

Now that he's gone the way of Shaun Alexander, there's no good will stored up toward him.


Of course he shares a bunk bed with Danny, so when it's all said and done he's probably in line for a big extension.

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was asked about why we did not sign Jeremy Bridges in a fan email yesterday on Redskins Nation....he looked kind of blank and said "I'm not sure where Jeremy is."

I agree - we should have kept him. Or at least re-signed him before the Cards snatched him up.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 14, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I saw that too. It really showed how out of the loop he is regarding personnel decisions. I'm not sure if Zorn will ever be a great coach, but he certainly isn't being given a chance to try here...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hiring Grimm doesn't solve our Cerrato/Snyder problem unless Snyder decides to hire a new GM as well and remove himself from personnel decisions.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:18 PM |

The unfortunate dilemma we have is that the only name that can keep Snyder out of it is a bigtime plashy name. Shanahan couldn't even do it with his failed GMship. Only Homgren or Cowher could do that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Bill Parcells talk was bad enough, but he has a much longer resume in building teams. Jimmy Johnson is just a jerk COWBOY. The enemy.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

agreed Red, if JJ comes in and turns this thing around, and gets us on the right path, then I don't care if that cat cross dress's in his spare time...winnin fixes everything...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Who is talking about Jimmy Johnson coming here????

After what he said on the air about Snyder, you think Danny's going to turn around and say: "That's the guy I need! An ex-Cowboy who just neutered me on national TV!"

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Carlos put the .45 to his head and pulled the trigger.

He doesn't want to be here anymore, and I can't blame him at all.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The unfortunate dilemma we have is that the only name that can keep Snyder out of it is a bigtime plashy name. Shanahan couldn't even do it with his failed GMship. Only Homgren or Cowher could do that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse


Why is Shanahan unable to do that?

He's got 2 Superbowl rings which is more than what Cowher or Holmgren have.

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I keep wondering why they have to make Orakpo what they call a complete player. Who made this decision and why can't he just be a Defensive end? Why does he have to pass cover?

Isn't rushing the QB a greater need than pass coverage?

Who has insight on this?

LarryInClintonMD.

I thought they were playing him at SLB as a way of keeping him and Carter on the field. Otherwise I think he plays Carter's position (FWIW I’d like to see him in there at LDE more than Carter). I don’t think Orakpo’s big enough to play Daniels’ spot yet – Jarmon would be though.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Back onto the continuity theme ... they made a choice to develop Orakpo as a hybrid SLB/DE ... and it is NOT "not working" ... he's catching on and has the chops to become that kind of superstar kind of player. Growing pains as of Week 4 is not the reason to "blow it up."

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

We all understand the basics of the employer-employee relationship, right? Under what circumstances -- other than Joe Gibbs -- does the Plashy big-name coach/GM simply ignore everything Snyder says?
Even with a lot of 'contractual' control, as people Up Here have written, the Plash will have to pick his battles.
That doesn't even begin to address the biggest problem I have with the Plash -- if it's ever been proven to work to bring a team to sustained excellence and glory, they've hidden the story well.

Posted by: daggar | October 14, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Just cause I didn't get it in today:

F James Zorn

Posted by: RedDMV | October 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

To ask this question for the 1 millionth time:
Is there ANYONE Snyder listens to and trusts besides Cerrato in football? I would have thought Gibbs but apparently not enough. Watching this guy run this team is an exercise in frustration and insanity.
10 years into his ownership and virtually nothing he has done has gone right. So why keep doing the same things over and over and over? That is the definition of insanity.

All these guys who 'like Mr. Snyder' or 'know Mr. Snyder' or talk to Mr. Snyder' - can we get some insight please? And I mean beyond 'he really wants to win just as much or more than anyone else'

Is this what happens when you make too much money at too young an age and then get to buy your dream toy?

Maybe someone should put together a file/DVD on the most successful owners in the NFL vs. the least and sit him down in Redskin One and force him to read/watch. . .kind of like they had to do with Pres W. after Katrina.

Mr. Snyder - do you know how many people think you are Al Davis and not JKC?

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is Shanahan unable to do that?

He's got 2 Superbowl rings which is more than what Cowher or Holmgren have.

Posted by: p1funk

I think Holmgren and Shanny might also have rings from their time in SF as OC.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fans show some dignity. Things are bad, way bad. But talk of Jimmy Johnson coming here to right the ship???? How bout dem Cowboys? Makes me wanna puke.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"Responsibility is a Team Sport."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Who is talking about Jimmy Johnson coming here????

After what he said on the air about Snyder, you think Danny's going to turn around and say: "That's the guy I need! An ex-Cowboy who just neutered me on national TV!"

Posted by: p1funk | October 14, 2009 12:26 PM

No one that I know of. His comments in Wilbon's article made me think of Marty's criticisms of Snyder prior to Snyder hiring him as HC. As I posted earlier I hated him as a cowboy but there's no denying his ability to judge talent that's I threw him out there as a GM possiblity. Given the state of things I'd hold my nose and applaud the move if Snyder did it.

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"Sustained excellence and glory" != Shanahan.

Shanahan = HOF QB + 1 Super Bowl - a ton of underachievement.

Posted by: daggar | October 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim,

I'm pretty sure Jimmy Johnson hates the Cowboys as much as you do.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Parcells has worked for the Jets, jints, Pats, dallas and the Fins.

That's 5 of the 8 East teams. He's only got Buffalo, philly and the Skins to go to have worked for all 8 East teams. Its between us and Buffalo for Parcells next gig.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

so let me get this straight, just for clarity....if the team had the chance to bring in JJ....you guys would say no, based on where he coached previously??

Are. You. Serious??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

does anyone think we still have a shot to make the playoffs?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | October 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

agreed Red, if JJ comes in and turns this thing around, and gets us on the right path, then I don't care if that cat cross dress's in his spare time...winnin fixes everything...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:26 PM

He can't ... and he does ... and he and Mel Kiper jr. have the same hair helmet stylists (not that there's anything WRONG with that).

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The only meaningful change Snyder could make would be hiring a real football person to run this franchise.

I laid this out the other day up here, an admittedly fantastickal plan in which a proven franchise-builder (Parcells, Wolf, Polian père) comes in, Cerrato goes away forever, and Snyder recedes into the background. The franchise-builder hires the GM, who then hires the head coach. The GM builds the roster, starting with O line and QB. The head coach hires his staff.

After hiring his franchise-builder, Snyder should not be involved in any decision related to the operation of the football team... until he needs to decide just how exuberantly to hoist the Lombardi. He should keep his wallet open (his best trait being the openness of said wallet) and stay the hell away from the football people, no matter how difficult it may be.

Utter fantasy, I know, but a scenario along these lines is the only thing that would constitute meaningful change at Redskin Park.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Things are bad, way bad. But talk of Jimmy Johnson coming here to right the ship????

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 12:35 PM

If he came here and 'unsank' the ship, and the Redskins went to 2 SBs in the 5 years after he got here, then yeah, bring him on! That would be a thing of beauty, and a way for him (and us vicariously) to stick it to F Dallas even more..

Posted by: 4-12 | October 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Jimmy Johnson hates the Cowboys as much as you do.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 14, 2009 12:37 PM

Seriously. Don't you think he'd like to be able to stick it to Jones?

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

mattylight

"The frustrating part of this is how good we could be with Snyder as an owner, if he would just get out of his own way."

So true.

Lesser franchises have been torn apart and rebuilt several times in the ten years Snyder has owned the redskins.

At some point, he has to adopt the league wide practices of developing a team under the gaze of a strong general manager.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, stop the talk of Jimmy Johnson coming here. There are some things that true Redskins fans just do not do. Don't go there.

Posted by: VegasJim

Exactly. True Skins fans would never want another ex-Cowgirl coach. We know how that worked out the last time.

Posted by: dcwun | October 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

we all pool our money, buy a UFL team place it in DC, hire all the coaches who hate Snyder, steal Morocco Brown and then root for that team. Have to figure out a good name for the team that would irk snyder like the Washington Rockets

Posted by: connskins | October 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

....if the team had the chance to bring in JJ....you guys would say no, based on where he coached previously??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:39 PM

No, its b/c he's a d-bag too ... and he's not going to be bringing Troy Aikman with him. JJ minus Aikman = Shanahan minus Elway = power rankings

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

things people are surprised about that they should've already known:

Haynesworth doesn't play every down, it would be nice to have A Mont to keep Hayney and Griff fresh

D Hall isn't a good tackler

Orakpo isn't an every down DE

Orakpo getting picked on in pass coverage

Marko riding the pine

Being 2-3

Campbell not having time or not having open receivers

Portis being vocal and not practicing

Losing at NY and Car

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

i would love to see either bill cowher or bill parcells fill the void. I doubt itll ever happen with the rediculous front office the skins have. Its boring to watch the skins on sunday for the most part now and i can't remember the last time we dominated a game and didn't have to go down to the wire

Posted by: zorn_sucks | October 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Carlos put the .45 to his head and pulled the trigger. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and I can't blame him at all."


Not that he's on the same level, but Champ Bailey wanted out, and look where it got him.

Rogers was worth trade bait before the last draft and the team should've offered him.

Now, he's a restricted free agent, and no one in their right mind would sacrifice a draft pick for him.

This is another example of why a string gm is so important: he can understand that some guys are 'chips' you trade to get draft picks back in return.

Rogers was a chip.

Emphasis on was.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

No, its b/c he's a d-bag too ... and he's not going to be bringing Troy Aikman with him. JJ minus Aikman = Shanahan minus Elway = power rankings

Posted by: dcsween

That's all true but yeah, I don't want any coach that was affiliated with that organization. I guess my hatred of them runs deep.

Posted by: dcwun | October 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely love this, the team is a rudderless ship, but bringing in a PROVEN SB WINNING head coach is out, because he once coached the cowboys....do you know how badly he'd want to absolutely destroy the cowboys the 2 times a year we played them???

Suddenly we're gonna be picky.....its irony at its best.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The only meaningful change Snyder could make would be hiring a real football person to run this franchise. ...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 14, 2009 12:42 PM

No, he'd screw that up too. The only meaningful change would be to change the direct object of the sentence.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Did Xenu have a hand in Joe Gibbs’ resignation?

Apparently, after Sean Taylor passed, Tom Cruise (Snyder’s friend) got involved with the owner’s grieving and healing. According to the source, Cruise’s meddling was so effective that Snyder became very interested in the body of beliefs from which Cruise drew inspiration.

That body? Duh! Scientology.

Almost immediately, Snyder immersed himself in the teachings and began to push the religion’s ideas onto the Redskins. Gibbs, an outspoken Christian, wanted no part in Snyder’s scheme and as a result, called it quits.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

does anyone think we still have a shot to make the playoffs?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | October 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Now that is funny. Only if we get tickets to watch someone else playing.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 14, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

does anyone think we still have a shot to make the playoffs?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | October 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse
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hahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

All fans can do is pray for wisdom for Snyder. Cerratto is an off season problem. Like the O line (yes, should've been fixed previously). Bugel shouldn't take blame for the lack of talent on the line. Why should Zorn for an offense led by an illiterate QB?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/14/thom-loverro-who-should-play-qb-is-reasonable-ques/


This one move can greatly improve DC's playoff chances in 2009.

Too bad The Post's writers' seem unwilling to call blue sky blue or gray sky gray.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

does anyone care what Dan Snyders religion of choice is??

I could not care less....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

yea i know what you mean gator. I was just wondering if anyone else thought we had a realistic chance to make it to the playoffs still. I mean each weekend we anticipate the game on sunday feeling like we can win and we root for this team and then most times get disappointed in the end. The redskins find a way to lose games they should win. We are far away from ever being on the same level as the colts, giants, or patriots, teams like those

Posted by: zorn_sucks | October 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

No, its b/c he's a d-bag too ... and he's not going to be bringing Troy Aikman with him. JJ minus Aikman = Shanahan minus Elway = power rankings

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 12:45 PM

Shanahan did make it to the AFC championship game with Jake Plummer. Just sayin...

Nitpicking between SB winning coaches is kind of silly considering the state of the skins right now. I'd take any of them (Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren, Cower, JJohnson as GM - even Billick).

Posted by: skinswest | October 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Danny can come to practice but only in that 'silence of the lambs' rig.

UFL team names: Napoleans, Shorties, Leprechans, Munchkins, Meddlers, Native Americans, Scientologists, Top Guns, Bobarinos

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

absolutely love this, the team is a rudderless ship, but bringing in a PROVEN SB WINNING head coach is out, because he once coached the cowboys....do you know how badly he'd want to absolutely destroy the cowboys the 2 times a year we played them???

Suddenly we're gonna be picky.....its irony at its best.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Sorry Bean, that's just how it is. I'd be no different than the Viking fans who suddenly want to give Favre keys to the city after despising him for a decade.

Posted by: dcwun | October 14, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: joevick | October 14, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Greg, lightning doesn't come in a bottle. Jimmy Johnson's PROVEN Super Bowl wins (you forgot his NCAA championship) came nearly 20 years ago. When Jerry Jones bought the team and fired Tom Landry to bring in the championship college coach, the guy's hair style was still fashionable. Jones became (and remains) the GM, they fired everybody, traded Herschel Walker for nearly half a roster and as many in draft picks (not alot of teams offering that anymore) and they went 3-13. It was the definition of blowed up. The point is that no way no how is this fan base going to settle for 3-13. Hell, they won't even settle for WINS at home! Skins tried opening up a bottle of vintage Super Bowl winning coaching ... it was Gibbs 2.0 and, not surprisingly, Ernest and Julio Gallo had it right that you should buy a bottle after its time. Jimmy Johnson = Sony Betamax format.

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I FULLY understand the vitriol on bringing in a Cowsuck to coarch.

I don't share the feeling in regards to JJ, 'cause he was my ballcoach FIRST (broke my heart to see my skins pan on 'Canes and let Dallas take 'em).

Now, for those so vehemetly opposed, imagine this: in a Favreian turnaround we take a Cowsuck and make him a true Skin - pounding the owner that spurned him and taking our team to great highths!

...ok...not gonna happen, but still a nice dream. Imagine how the forlorn the Cowsuck fans would be.. hehehehehehehehehehhe

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

did anyone think we would make it from 5-6 in '07?

Might as well believe while we still can

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 14, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

scientology is not the problem.

not having a personnel strategy is

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 14, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

does anyone think we still have a shot to make the playoffs?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | October 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It is possible that the giants, eagles, and cowboys could all be involved in bus crashes this weekend. So yeah, we still have a shot.

More realistically we have a shot if:

we hire a real play caller
Samuels returns healthy
BMW starts playing really good at RT
Portis suddenly gets in shape
Rabach stops getting pushed into the backfield
Rhino holds up better in pass pro
Sellers stops whiffing blocks
DHall starts tackling
Rogers learns to catch
Kelly starts getting off the LOS
Devin thomas starts returning kicks and punts
Alridge is used as a change of pace back

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

“Snyder, when it comes to generating income, is the best in the game.

Snyder, when it comes to getting his team to win football games, is closer to the bottom of the league. That, too, starts with ownership.”

From: WILBON COLUMN

This may help you understand how Snyder ratiionalizes his performance as a Redskin owner. When I was in college I had a fraternity brother who was 5’3” Good guy, but needless to say, often kidded about his lack of height. His standard response? “Yeah, but I’m big where it counts” and then he’d point to his crotch.

In that loose affiliantion of millionaires and billionaires to which Snyder is a card-carrying member, how one performs on the field is far less important than the bottom line. The rest of us see what a fallacious argument that is and think him a stone loser. But in HIS world, to HIS peers, Dan still thinks of himself as the King.

And by the way, ex-Cowboy or not, Jimmy Johnson is spot on.

Posted by: TheCork | October 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Have to figure out a good name for the team that would irk snyder like the Washington Rockets

Posted by: connskins | October 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

How about the Washington Redrockets!

Posted by: FedorEm | October 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Sure we have a shot at the playoffs if NY, Philly, Dallas, NO at Atlanta all get struck down by swine flu and have to play 3rd stringers everytime we play them.

Wait not sure that would matter in Philly given Reid's track record of getting 3rd stringers to play over their heads.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

baaah....if both JC, and CR walk after this year, ugh, the 2005 draft is such a waste, 2 first round picks and absolutely nothing to show for it....kind of reminds me of 2000, when we had 2 first round picks and still have nothing to show for it....sigh...the more things change, the more they stay the same...meet the new boss...same as the old boss

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 14, 2009 10:27 AM

Bean, they ain't just gonna leave us empty handed.

Best Believe Vinny will slap their SJKs with the restricted tag so we can get picks for them or they will have a miserable season on the bench if no one wants them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 14, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This is so far down, I wonder if anyone will see it.

The reason JJ was making those comments is because those were the EXACT things he said to the DANNY a few years ago when DANNY asked him to evaluate the organization. JJ will never coach again. He likes his boat, the sun, and his money TOO much to deal with the stress again. If he were to come back, it would be a disaster because his heart would not be in it. And BTW, the reason his Miami record was so bad - Dan Marino...he would have been crucified if he released Marino.

Posted by: sanantonioredskin | October 14, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The Washington -uckups.
The Washington -hitbags.
The Washington Snyderatos.
The Washington Xenus.
The Snyder "coached-by-Tin-Tin" Xanadus.

Danny Snyder is a triple gold double platinum card carrying water-headed honor guardsman in the Cult of Scientology, which under its by-laws controls the Washington Redskins.

Either that or he just thought bankrolling Tom "'you know you're the only one who can help' the traffic victims" Cruise was a good business move.

Tom f-ing Cruise, walking the side lines in Detroit BS'ing with Tin-Tin, spouting - I'm going go explode a;lgkna;lgvbnj ds;klvbhjr;lvbk r'kjl bkmz
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Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

George Allen must be tossing around in his grave! Talk of Jimmy Johnson coming here is disgusting. Selling your soul. Successfull Redskin season = beating the Cowboys. Maybe some of these bloggers should just root for the team from Beantown, they're winners, cheaters as well.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"There's a lot of stuff out there right now, and you don't ever know what's going to happen in this game."

That's because we never have a gameplan and our players are so undisciplined they can miss any tackle for a huge gain or get knocked into our punt returner for a fumble. Some teams go out and know *exactly* what's going to happen.

Posted by: Keiser | October 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

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