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Analysis: 'There are no guarantees'

Some in the organization are openly discussing how things might change at Redskins Park if/when Mike Shanahan is officially introduced as team president and head coach, his expected titles with the Redskins.

Many believe owner Daniel Snyder already has a deal completed with Shanahan, the former Denver Broncos' coach, who had player-personnel control during his long, successful run with that organization. The Redskins expect Shanahan to have the final say on personnel decisions and that Bruce Allen, the first general manager Snyder has hired in his 11 seasons as owner, will navigate the salary cap, serve as the team's primary contract negotiator and top football administrator.

Judging by the comments on the Insider, many of you are downright giddy about the return of an Allen to the team's management's structure and his anticipated pairing with Shanahan, who is considered among the game's best offensive minds. Oh, and the ouster of Vinny Cerrato also has brought a smile to many of your faces, according to what you've written.

From my three seasons on this beat and one as the primary caretaker of the Insider, I've
come to learn that there is no more loyal, passionate fan base in all of sports than this one. I used to think no group of fans could care more about the teams for which they root than Dodgers and Lakers fans, but Redskins fans are second to none. And Redskins fans have had a lot less success to celebrate in the last 20 years or so than fans of the previous two teams I mentioned, especially compared to that of a franchise such as the Lakers, so your continued loyalty to this organization says a lot about you.

For the fans' sake, I hope Snyder finally has gotten it right with Allen and - barring something unforeseen - Shanahan directing the franchise. Allen, who has a reputation as a top-notch football executive and communicator, has impressed employees in the main building with his calm demeanor and reasoned approach. Allen has said all the right things in his initial fact-finding conversations as he prepares to initiate what many believe will be a major roster overhaul, which has been long overdue.

As for Coach Jim Zorn and most of his staff, well, they've known for some time that Snyder planned to fire them after only Zorn's second season, team sources said. Snyder late last season told at least one team official he planned to fire Zorn if the Redskins lost their 2008 FedEx Field season finale to the Philadelphia Eagles, multiple team sources said. The Redskins held on to win the game, 10-3, but at least one member of the coaching staff was informed of Snyder's intention, so the group knew Snyder was eager to make a change.

The current offensive staff can take pride in how it stuck together while coaching a group of players who clearly improved as the season went along despite working with one of the league's worst offensive lines and overcoming the circus-like atmosphere at the complex and other management-created obstacles. And if Snyder and Cerrato had adequately addressed the offensive line in the previous offseason, well, who knows?
Things might have been different.

Clearly, Zorn would have benefited from some on-the-job training before being named a head coach. Maybe a season or two as an offensive coordinator would have been great for him, or perhaps he would have really grown into the lead job in his third year here. But barring a trip to the playoffs this season (at minimum) that wasn't going to happen with someone like Shanahan available and Snyder also seeking his next high-profile hire. But Zorn is owed about $2.5 million for the final guaranteed year of his deal in 2010, so he'll have time to regroup and try to rebuild his career.

Obviously, Allen and Shanahan have enjoyed success in their careers. But their previous accomplishments provide no guarantees of success with the Redskins. The pairing of Allen and Jon Gruden produced no Super Bowl appearances or titles for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Shanahan led Denver to consecutive Super Bowl titles with a Hall of Fame quarterback - John Elway - and never came close to replicating those accomplishments after Elway retired.

When I covered the Dodgers, I had the good fortune of spending a lot of time with Hall of Fame manager Tom Lasorda, who retired shortly before I came on the beat but remained with the organization in high-ranking positions. I was a wet-behind-the-ears kid when I started covering the Dodgers, and Lasorda served as one of my mentors about the big-time world of major sports.

I remember Lasorda once told me that a big mistake many owners make is thinking that just because someone succeeds in one place they can do it elsewhere. That applies to management types as well players, Lasorda said. He said you really have to look at who were the people around those successful guys in their previous stops. Most of all, I remember Lasorda said that you have to look at the record of the new owner to whom you report - not listen to what the owner says when someone new is brought in. This is a family blog, so I cleaned up Lasorda's words, but I captured the essence of our talks on the subject.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Allen-Shanahan would fail. They might prove to be everything Redskins fans have longed for most of Snyder's tenure. Perhaps they will lead the Redskins to unimaginable heights. All I'm saying is that despite their résumés and credentials, you just don't know. As Lasorda once told me: "Guarantees? You kidding me? There are no guarantees in this."

By Jason Reid  |  December 21, 2009; 10:03 AM ET
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Comments

1st to say F Jawaraski..........

He doesn't know what he's talking about. HE spends 80 hours a day @ NFL Films. HE can break down anyone in the world of NFL. But before MNF, he was releguted to a TV show that comes on @ 4:30 am every Sunday Morning in NON-HDtv. Give me a F-ing break. Jawaraski is a C+ jackole....such as...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I would like to see the Redskins sign Campbell to the tender. If they get an offer for a first round pick for Campbell, I think they would be foolish not to take it. If not, they at least have a QB with playing experience going into next year.

For the draft, I think the Redskins really need to snag a left tackle in the first round. If Okung is gone which is probably a given, maybe they can trade down in the first, still get an OT (Bruce Campbell from Maryland or Charles Brown from USC), and pick up an extra pick. In the second round, I like trading down again, hopefully picking up another tackle and an extra pick at the end of the round that I would use on Tony Pike. If the Redskins exit the second round with two offensive tackles and a developmental QB, then they will have to done very well. I realize this means trading down and getting an extra pick, but the Redskins need to think about quantity in this draft. I think they should use the rest of the draft and free agency to get a corner, running back, safety, and linebacker, in that order of descent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 10:40 AM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

From my three seasons on this beat and one as the primary caretaker of the Insider, I've
come to learn that there is no more loyal, passionate fan base in all of sports than this one. I used to think no group of fans could care more about the teams for which they root than Dodgers and Lakers fans, but Redskins fans are second to none. And Redskins fans have had a lot less success to celebrate in the last 20 years or so than fans of the previous two teams I mentioned, especially compared to that of a franchise such as the Lakers, so your continued loyalty to this organization says a lot about you.

By JReid

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

JReid now now taking a page from Daniel Snyder's playbook??????


Things that make you say hmmmm???

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Laker fans???

Maybe REAL laker fans, but what percentage of them are real?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 21, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Darn it, I was assumming that the pending changes would ensure a Super Bowl trip for the Skins next year.

Well, at least I know my 401K is guarenteed to deliver 10% per year!

Posted by: cabraman | December 21, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn is under contract through the next year, then can the team force him to stick around - even if in a reduced capacity? What if Zorn were asked to stick around as a QB coach? The team has to pay him any way, it would give them some continuity if they retain Campbell, and Zorn - although I have mixed feelings about this - is said to be a great developer of quarterbacks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

For the fans' sake, I hope Snyder finally has gotten it right with Allen and - barring something unforeseen - Shanahan directing the franchise. Allen, who has a reputation as a top-notch football executive and communicator, has impressed employees in the main building with his calm demeanor and reasoned approach. Allen has said all the right things in his initial fact-finding conversations as he prepares to initiate what many believe will be a major roster overhaul, which has been long overdue.

By: JReid

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As someone who has lived in Cali to long...JReid doesn't understand where Bruce Allen was raised and how he was raised. He grew up at the footsteps of Washington Politics as a JAck Kemp Republican.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I like this post. But can't take to much pride in beating out the "passion" of LA Sports fans. Typed like a true west-coaster Reid!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

4th - so, Jaws sucks, Bruce Allen sucks, J-reid and Snyder sucks...

anybody else?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 21, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

J Reid, thanks for the kind words. Only being a 24 yr old kid it is hard for me to remember the glory days of the Redskins, so this circus atmosphere is commonplace for me as a skins fan. However, i think that has actually helped in my loyalty to this dumpster fire known as Dan Snyders Redskins. I cant imagine what is must be like to be an oldschool fan, knowing how great this franchise once was, and now having to compare it to the ongoings of the the last 18 years or so. Maybe thats why there is constant clamouring for a change at qb or a new coach every 2 years, there is a yerning to go back to the glory days. But coming from a "newschool" fan, i just want to see us in the hunt on a yearly basis, i want to see competitave and competant football, which I know is settling for second, but thats better than the cellar right? Keep JC, get some OT's, and speedy rb, and a true free safety. Its a start. If you want to dump JC in two years for the next Joe Montana then by all means, do it. But for, can we at least build on some of this momentum and get back to respectability?

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | December 21, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The current offensive staff can take pride in how it stuck together while coaching a group of players who clearly improved as the season went along despite working with one of the league's worst offensive lines and overcoming the circus-like atmosphere at the complex and other management-created obstacles. And if Snyder and Cerrato had adequately addressed the offensive line in the previous offseason, well, who knows?
Things might have been different.

By JReid

_________________________________________

Or maybe if Cerrato had installed Sherm LEwis earlier and instructed JZ NOT to call plays with in 2 mins, we would still be in PO contention. Also, we are only 2 FGs made from still being in it. Just sayin.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

He doesn't know what he's talking about. HE spends 80 hours a day @ NFL Films. HE can break down anyone in the world of NFL. But before MNF, he was releguted to a TV show that comes on @ 4:30 am every Sunday Morning in NON-HDtv. Give me a F-ing break. Jawaraski is a C+ jackole....such as...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:37 AM


Besides needing a decoder ring to decipher all the misspellings, I don't get the hate for Jaws. Skins mostly owned the Eagles when he played and I would think a guy who spends as much time watching film AND played the position just might be in place to talk about how JC plays QB. He's not the end-all-be-all authority, but he's not necessarily a "jackhole" either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah 4th's fantasy team sucks.....final tally: cL 2-0 over 4th....cL in championship game....4th most likely not....unless Ganther has Jerome Harrison type game.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse


JReid, this post does not become you. When you post entries for no other purpose than to rile up the fan base, you resemble Jasno. To your credit, you've generally managed to avoid being so deliberately antagonistic -- and I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it if you kept it that way. There are many things to criticize about this team, but cutting an average special teams player is not one of them.

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 9:14 AM

Remember jcabana, it's football, kind of a rough sport. Guys play with broken bones without a word of complaint. So it kind of looks bad when you complain about getting injured reading about it. But by all means let the reporter know how soft and sensitive you are. Maybe he'll ease off.

Posted by: mack1 | December 21, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

You're comparing blogging and commenting on RI to playing professional football? Are you serious? That has to be one of the most pathetic analogies I've ever seen.

Where did I say anything about "getting injured reading about" anything? Feel free to disagree with me -- but understand that when you put words in my mouth, it only makes you look like an idiot or a troll.

I want inside information, but I also want that commentary to be useful...and not super-biased towards the reporter's pet mediocre players. I read plenty of coarse sports blogs that aren't affiliated with one of the nation's last remaining large news outlets. I expect a Post-affiliated blog to rise above those blogs, rather than sinking to their level just to get clicks and comments.

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

A NOTE TO THE 4tht Flr: They need to keep your padded cell door locked so you can't get to a computer and post idiotic rants and reveal to all who read these blogs what a dumb azz you are,Jaworski knows the league, you see it works like this while you read about the league in your free time "Jaws" does this for a living 24/7 and is as smart a person about the NFL as you will find but i'm sure you already know that,instead of writing the state mental health board and pleading your case you're wasting constructive time making inane remarks about an established NFL media personality.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 21, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

BAd mood...I gambled high and burned in Fantasy Semis.

What misspellings. My thoughts on JAws is the truth. ESPN has an east coast slant, that, by accisent, includes Philly...

@ Ryp11...The day is early...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, I've had the pleasure of being both a die-hard Redskins fan, starting at RFK Stadium in the 1970s watching George Allen coach and continuing through today, and also being a die-hard Laker fan, as my family moved back and forth between CA and DC when I was a kid and later. I'm thus a diehard fan of both teams (sorry, Wizards). There are plenty of real, knowledgable Lakers and Dodgers fans out there, but I'd have to say that the overall percentage of fanatics is much higher in DC. There are more casual fans in LA who root for the Lakers and go to the games because it's an "in" thing to do, whereas there aren't too many casual Redskins fans - we're all, for the most part, diehards. The fanatic Lakers fans are plenty, but constitute a smaller percentage of fandome than do the Redskins fans.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | December 21, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Mack is one of my all time fave RI Posters...

4th hates all media types, thinks his take is always better...he gets enough right to keep typing...which sorta makes hime about the same as the media types he despises...

It takes all kinds....keep those freak flags flying!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Shanny took the Broncos to the AFC championship game with Jake Plummer as QB, after Elway retired he also had 4 playoff appearances.

Allen led Tampa to two division titles with a cheap as owner and look how there doing this year without him.

Beggers can't be choosers this combo is better then anything we have had since Gibbs 1, lets give it a chance before we start crying about it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Of course there aren't any guarantees, thanks for putting a damper on the best news to hit us since Gibbs came back. Its a simple question mayor, take your pick:

Zorn/Cerrato?

or

Shanahan/Allen?

exactly!

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 21, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Beggers can't be choosers this combo is better then anything we have had since Gibbs 1, lets give it a chance before we start crying about it."

Flound, we don't always agree (as it should be)...but I have one word to this statement:

"Word"

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I used to think no group of fans could care more about the teams for which they root than Dodgers and Lakers fans...

By Jason Reid | December 21, 2009; 10:03 AM ET

Are they the same passionate fans who used to root for the Rams?

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

@ dargreg...
dumbazz...no where close...Please don't let me get into how Jaws is just a media darling and easy on the viewers eyes....real football????...Reason why he only speaks from the media side...

Not his fault, but for me to take his word on what's going on here is BS I call out on what we do up here....

Cl - saw the Wresler over the wekend...it was good until he showed he was cowpukes fan.....then I thought to myself...he deserve what he had coming...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I really think leaving the present coaching staff in place with Cambel at QB would really be the way to go provided.The new man in charge drafts and through free agency addresses the needs that have been holding this team back. I think Zorn could be a fresh hungry face that can coach this team for the next 10 or 12 years. Not someone looking to collect a check and maybe relive past sucess.

Posted by: kmolta441 | December 21, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Zorn/Cerrato?

or

Shanahan/Allen?

exactly!

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 21, 2009 10:57 AM |


zj,

I would take Charlie/Snoopy over Cerrato/Zorn

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I love the "keep Zorn" crowd......

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Beggers can't be choosers this combo is better then anything we have had since Gibbs 1, lets give it a chance before we start crying about it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 10:56 AM


Def.

Does this mean Eric Shacfer (sp?_ is gone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

4th: I watched the Wrestler through the haze of a bad illegal stream so I might have missed Cowpukes paraphanalia....still a great film...and he gets his so the cowpukes angle doesnt hurt the film.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Reid "captured the essence of Lasorda's words" better than he did our words because I don't see where he has Skins fans pegged right...the overall sentiment I've seen is that we're happy to see ANYBODY other than Vinny as GM, not necessarily that it's Bruce Allen. Personally, I think Allen is an average GM at best. But the hope is that his ties to the area and the franchise will raise his game and that he won't just hold Snyder's pocket when it comes to personnel.

Moreover, JReid isn't introducing any new material here; I think it's been stated here ad nauseum that getting guys who made a name for themselves elsewhere isn't necessarily going to work here. Hell, even getting a guy who DID make a name for himself here (Gibbs) couldn't get it done!

So I would think the overall tone is that of cautious optimism, more than "downright giddiness".

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the call Tomlin made last night going for an onside kick up 2 late in the game. Then they gave up a touchdown on a short field, he is so lucky Big Ben bailed his a$$ out or he would be getting crucified today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

flound, no kidding, I'll take spit/pocket lint over VC, thanks you very much...lets give it a little time, lets see what BA can do before we pass judgement...

4th, just talked to my buddies wifes hairdressers mechanics plumber, and he told me that Jaws thinks you're a bama.....so there you go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

That said, I love this post by JReid. It totally reflects my feelings about the situation surrounding Snyder's recent front-office moves: cautious optimism.

To be blunt, Snyder has failed so many times that I really have to see tangible evidence of real change (the kind born out on the football field and in opinions of well-respected league insiders) before I believe these changes will do any good.

And Reid is right about Redskins fans...we are hardcore to a fault.

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

cl,

I watched the wrestler Friday night it was a good movie.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato/Zorn

or

McCain/Palin?

You make the call.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 21, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

the moment JC starts to dump off his passes instead of throwing it downfield to open targets as has been shown repeatedly, I don't want to hear any of the fire JZ crowd say, "well it's another system, or terminology," or whatever other freaking excuse this 5 year wunderkid has had made for him.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 21, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The issue with the JReid post is....you'd just have to be here the WHOLE 10 years...Actually here...NOT reading from a far....but being here....so, that being said....If this was MASKE or TK or Elfin or Keim or even Daly writing this....I'd be more upbeat....but to me, it seems like all of them are taking a wait-and-see approach....but they do all agree that this is better than Vinny...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I would say keep Zorn if I thought he could grow into the role. I just don't think he can.

He can't adjust during the game.
He won't play younger players.
He can't call plays.
He can't design plays.
He can't manage the game.
He gets too conservative.
He isn't a motivator.

He's just not a head coach and I don't think he ever can be. I think it's his personality. He's not strong enough to make business decisions. He's too loyal to the vets. He can't think on his feet. He gets the deer in the headlights look when he should be getting the ball snapped before a challenge. He has no idea how to adjust to a defense. He doesn't poke and prod around to find holes in a defense and then try to exploit them. He doesn't use plays to set up other plays. Stay medium isn't going to fire anyone up. You simply can not let your QB drive all the way down the field then take the ball out of his hands. Buh bye Zorn.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 21, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious? There are no guarantees in life. You can bring anyone, change the owners or whatever, there are still no guarantees that redskins will turn it around. You just have to try your best and wish for best.

I am so sick of every idiot reporter, who is so lucky to have a job as a reporter because they would be total loser otherwise, loves to take every possible negative angle to put down redskins.

I fully believe in positivity brings positive results.

Posted by: capitolteacher | December 21, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

JC is FINALLY playing better now, don't fool with it. Instead, build up his talent around him.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

JR you are the biggest redskins hater there is. You have no business writing articles for redskins.

Posted by: capitolteacher | December 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

JR you are the biggest redskins hater there is. You have no business writing articles for redskins.

Posted by: capitolteacher | December 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

LA fans, JReid? You talkin' about those fans that duck out of Chavez Ravine in the 7th inning to beat the traffic, even if there's a no-hitter in progress? Whateves.

Speaking of traffic...if you're going to the Skins game tonight, leave a half hour ago. Some of the parking lots aren't plowed out, and won't be before the game.

Also, need 2 tix for Dallas...one for me, one for our old blog mate kost52, who's here from Australia to see his beloved Skins! Holler if you have any, or know anyone who does.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 21, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"I fully believe in positivity brings positive results.

Posted by: capitolteacher"

Great another moron who read "The Secret" on a tip from Oprah and now thinks it applies to football....

F the "Laws of Attraction

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

PA,

He's had two years. JC has had 5. I don't think enough time has been givne to a man that was hired by DS knowing he didn't have the experience. To state he won't, or can't I think is to premature.

I'm sure we'll get another coach and things won't go rosy for our QB and the excuse makers will have their way........

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 21, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the call Tomlin made last night going for an onside kick up 2 late in the game. Then they gave up a touchdown on a short field, he is so lucky Big Ben bailed his a$$ out or he would be getting crucified today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:03 AM


I saw that Flound...and some are still giving him hell about it. I've watched a good number of Steeler games this year, and I can tell you he made the absolute right call. That defense has been inexplicably terrible at the end of games and there's no doubt the Pack would have scored on that drive anyway. Worst case scenario (which happened), you give them the ball on a short field, they score quickly and you get a chance to make a drive of your own to win it. What no one seems to realize is that career idiot Ike Taylor touched the ball a yard early and the Steelers would have had the recovery had he played the coverage right. The Packers were completely surprised and would have choked on that had Taylor not screwed it up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I personally believe that blocking, running, catching and tackling better than the other team brings positive results.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I am NOT high about Shanahan. Remember, this is the guy who drafted Jay Cutler. I can truly see Shanahan jettison Jason Campbell for a rookie QB - and that is the LAST thing we need to have happen.

Question: Dave Feldman briefly reported last week that Shanahan was at Redskins Park and then the station refuted it. How could something like that get out? Just curious. It would be idiotic for the Skins to bring Shanahan to Redskins Park while Zorn is still the coach and we have 3 games to play.

Bringing him to Snyder's house maybe but Redskins Park? Then again, this organization is idiotic but one would think Shanahan would be more respectful of Zorn.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I fully believe in positivity brings positive results.

Posted by: capitolteacher | December 21, 2009 11:10 AM


Yeah, if you're a school teacher. Fans have little to do with whether the team does well or not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Jason- I want you to acknowledge when Mike Shanahan is not hired to write something to indicate that you are going to write ethically. If you are unwilling to act in an ethical manner, quit writing for the Washington Post. Just become an internet commentator and sit in your basement and blog. Outside of Vinny Cerrato leaking the story about Shanahan because he hates Zorn, no one in the organization has said that Zorn will be fired or that Shanahan will be hired. You might also want to look at Shanahan's record as a coach in the last few years. Not very impressive. It really concerns me however that the Washington Post allows you and the rest of the bloggers to quote each other about the facts at Redskins park. Not one of you had the Allen Story. And I suspect that the Shanahan rumor is one started by you or another one of your blogging idiots. Journalists do not make news they write news. You have stepped so far over the line that it is ridiculous while the real story is right in front of you. Jim Zorn deserves to be treated with respect and not what you are doing to him. He has a family and he has been nothing if not fair to the press. If you are wrong I hope you have the dignity to acknowledge it. I hope you can get some ethics.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | December 21, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

btw,

I still don't get these bloggers who call JReid names etc. Does it make yall feel better about yourselves? I'm sure most, if not all of you, don't know the man personally and to berate him shows more about you than it does about his reporting.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 21, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

4-12....what was that email again? I lost it..

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, Dave Feldman retracted that story and admitted he was wrong and that Shanny was not in the building....

F Zorn anyway...total clown

Keep JC, can JZ

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Many of you are downright giddy..."

Really?! I don't think so. I'd say many of us may be characterized as 'relieved' that Vinny Ceratto is no longer playing the role of Daniel Snyder's puppet.

More accurately, 99.9% of us realize that until Snyder proves that he has zero say in player personell decisions, we will remain disgusted.

And also, most of us know that Mike Shannahan was anything but successful after Elway and maybe as importantly, G. Kubiak left.

So please, 'giddy' - far from it.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"It would be idiotic for the Skins to bring Shanahan to Redskins Park while Zorn is still the coach and we have 3 games to play"

Lisa, they retracted the story, because it wasn't true, and Shanny wasn't at the park, so how is that on them??

Jay Cutler, who in 2008 threw for 25td, and over 4500 yards...YUCK, good call on Cutler...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

one would think Shanahan would be more respectful of Zorn.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 11:21 AM


I don't see why...to my knowledge, they don't know each other personally and have never worked together. Plus Shanahan has already sat down to talk about a job somebody else currently holds (Bills HC).

Did I mention he subjected his players to lie detector tests?

So yeah...I don't have as high a respect for the guy as you might.

*Paging Russ Grimm...paging Russ Grimm to Ashburn*

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Mort reporting/rumor mongering that Jerruh is gonna "call Bob Stoops".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Had to look it up too, 4th.

It's skinsfan4and12@yahoo.com

Posted by: 4-12 | December 21, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"And also, most of us know that Mike Shannahan was anything but successful after Elway and maybe as importantly, G. Kubiak left."

Well Kubiak's getting canned in Houston...so IF shanny is coach I bet Kubiak is O-cord again....

The negativity is stifling...I am ready to give the new regime cart blanche to see if they can polish this turd...no one is sacred...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I guarantee we will rise again. Wait, rise? I mean suck.

We will suck again!

Posted by: peterandmeredith | December 21, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Get off the he drafted Jay Cutler crap, every GM in the league has had bad draft picks. Atleast cutler still plays and he is not the entire problem in Chicago they have many.

The reason Feldman retracted is because he was wrong.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

We just know you love Jim Zorn , Shaun Suisham. You guys are also upset that Post or any major newspaper did not get a clue about Vinny Cerrato's resignation and hiring of Bruce Allen. We understand you are upset.

Posted by: dnaik | December 21, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

And also, most of us know that Mike Shannahan was anything but successful after Elway and maybe as importantly, G. Kubiak left.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 11:25 AM


Don't worry...he'll get Kubiak back. He's almost a lock to get canned by the Texans.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

JR you are the biggest redskins hater there is. You have no business writing articles for redskins.

Posted by: capitolteacher | December 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You can't be serious. Either you never read this blog regularly or you work for the team, because JReid isn't even close to being "the biggest Skins hater there is."

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Ozzie Newsome draft Kyle Boller and he was a straight bust, and Ozzie is considered a very good GM.

No GM gets it right %100 of the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Jaworski still likes what he sees, stating firmly: "I don't think you need to start over at quarterback. You can win with (Campbell).

... "Is he there yet? No. But you can see the fundamentals are in place; the clay is starting to be formed."--RON JAWORSKI

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Oh please give me a break. Who are you gonna listen to, this bozo or the geniuses on this blog who say he "sucks."

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a proven head coach, but I can't say I wanted to see him in Washington. The only thing I would like about that hire is that he wouldn't let players off the hook which seems to be the norm in Washington since the days of Norv Turner (except for Marty's one year).

Posted by: jdumb | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Its not like the final book is written on Cutler......also he played well for Shanahan....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Why are people still saying Shanny was not successful after Elway, because he didn't win another SB.

I will take 4 playoff appearances and a trip to the AFC championship over what we have done here for the last 18 years.

How many coaches have been really successful without a great QB, oh thats right only Gibbs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

cl,

I watched the wrestler Friday night it was a good movie.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:07 AM
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I went to see Avatar yesterday in 3D and it was f-ing awesome!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Run right at tuck/Osi...wear they stuff out...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Stupid work distractions. Agreed, this is where Yoder comes in handy, just pound it right at him.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 21, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

email just sent...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

so Shanny drafts Cutler who in his third year, throws for 4500/25, the team then turns around and trades him for 2 Firsts, and this is knock against Shanny how again??? I don't get it?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I went to see Avatar yesterday in 3D and it was f-ing awesome!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM |

Is it OK for an 11 year old?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Campbell may not be the answer, but letting him go at this point would be an even bigger mistake. The Skins need to be smart with that situation and get something in return whether he leaves via restricted FA or is traded. He could start for quite a few teams in the league and they shouldn't let him go without the proper compensation. Time to do your job Bruce!

Posted by: jdumb | December 21, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

gibbs couldnt bring much sanity and order to this team,nor could he bring a championship to d.c.,so what in the heck makes you people think that allen and shanahan can do it,both who have been fired from previous gigs for not winning and making bad decisions.wake up people,its time for new young blood,not same ole recycled crap.be take off the blinders,and look at this situation for what it really is,ANOTHER FINANCIAL SPLASH!tweek some things and keep most of these coaches in place

Posted by: billydee123 | December 21, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

JR you are the biggest redskins hater there is. You have no business writing articles for redskins.

Posted by: capitolteacher | December 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You can't be serious. Either you never read this blog regularly or you work for the team, because JReid isn't even close to being "the biggest Skins hater there is."

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 11:30 AM


Been seeing an upsurge in these kinds of posts from "new" screen names, Cabana....

Look, Vinny is gone, and there are plenty of underlings out there who understandably want to keep their jobs. They think the quickest way to Snyder's heart is to show some hate for the Post and it's Redskin writers.

Not to say JR is everyone's cup of tea, but these campaigns to get Post writers fired have gone on before, and will continue as long as Lil' Dan continues his blood fued with the Media in general and the Post in particular.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I went to see Avatar yesterday in 3D and it was f-ing awesome!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM |

Is it OK for an 11 year old?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:38 AM
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Of course, this is a matter of personal beliefs, but me, personally, I would let my 11-soon-to-be-twelve-year-old daughters (twins) see it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

flound, thats funny, every time my son sees the commercial for Avatar, his eye's get wide, and he tells me he wants to see it....given that he's 8, I'm probably not taking him up on that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Vinny Cerrato!

Posted by: nativedc | December 21, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

How about Cutler for Campbell trade?

Reunite Cutler and Shanny

Chicago would get a RFA and could keep Campbell or flip him for picks.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 21, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Of course, this is a matter of personal beliefs, but me, personally, I would let my 11-soon-to-be-twelve-year-old daughters (twins) see it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 11:41 AM |

OK thanks,

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

When all this dust settles, don't y'all think Shanny will land in Dallas, stopping off in Houston to grab Kubiak and Shanny Jr.??? He just looks the part of a Dallas coach and Kubiak is from Tex.

Shanny is just using Snyder for leverage - and I think it's awesome. No one wants to work for Snyder if they don't have to!

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't see why...to my knowledge, they don't know each other personally and have never worked together. Plus Shanahan has already sat down to talk about a job somebody else currently holds (Bills HC).

Posted by: brownwood26

Huh??? The Bills head coach was FIRED. Shanahan talked to them after he was fired.

And as a coaching fraternity you should wait until after the current coach is fired before seriously discussing taking his job. In fact, I heard Shanahan shot Snyder down earlier for this very reason.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

He's had two years. JC has had 5. I don't think enough time has been givne to a man that was hired by DS knowing he didn't have the experience. To state he won't, or can't I think is to premature.

I'm sure we'll get another coach and things won't go rosy for our QB and the excuse makers will have their way........

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 21, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I like your little shot at JC. We're not excuse makers. We just analyzed the situation instead of blaming the QB like you. Those excuses turned out to be legitimate reasons. JC always had a good completion percentage and decent yards per attempt and a good touchdown to interception ratio. That shows that he always was a decent QB. Zorn has never done anything to show he's a good coach. That's the difference between JC and JZ.

Reason #1: Campbell didn't have good receivers. Well, it turns out that Randle El, Moss and Thrash were not very good. Moss and Randle El were leading the league in drops at one point. Thrash can't run a route to save his life. Moss is a slot receiver and not a primary receiver. Randle El should probably not even be playing. Thrash is out of football. We got new receivers and JC's production went up.

Reason #2: The offensive line was crap and fell apart. This one isn't even debateable. At one point this season the line was only offering 2.2 seconds of protection. The quarterback's internal clock is supposed to be set at 2.7 seconds. There simply wasn't enough time to make plays. Signing Levi Jones and moving BMW to guard just happened to occur right before JC got better. Concedence? I think not.

Reason #3: Zorn can't call plays. Well, since the Sherms took over playcalling we've doubled our point totals. It's amazing that since we stopped taking the ball out of JC's hands in the redzone we went from having one of the worst red zone conversions to one of the best. Zorn really is a crappy play caller. It's true.

Reason #4: The running game fell apart. Portis was not getting it done. Outside of a 1 or 2 big runs he was ineffective. We signed a guy off the street and suddenly the running game and passing game got better.

How can you call these excuses and not reasons? Which of these points would you like to argue?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I am soooo happy Vinny is gone so now I can root like a rabid dawg to crush the paper tiger Gints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let tomorrow bring whateves, tonight I can scream with full gusto knowing that nothing can save ceratto's azz!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"When all this dust settles, don't y'all think Shanny will land in Dallas, stopping off in Houston to grab Kubiak and Shanny Jr.??? He just looks the part of a Dallas coach and Kubiak is from Tex."

I concur......

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones doesn't even want Shanahan.

They, in Dallas, are running the 3rd Generation Coryell Offense....And are built for it (in their eyes)...no way they go to Shanny and switch Offensive systems...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think the arrival of some of the newer screen names may be attributable to the fact that the cloud of despair (Cerrato! AND Zorn?) has parted and a ray of sunshine (BA! and Shanny?) is shining down upon Redskins fandom.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is so much better than Zorn. And I have a man crush on Jason Campbell

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Get off the he drafted Jay Cutler crap, every GM in the league has had bad draft picks. Atleast cutler still plays and he is not the entire problem in Chicago they have many.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm indifferent about shanny, BUT drafting jay cutler was not a bad move. I mean, he went after leinart, young and plenty of other guys. Still has potential. Fine pick. It's trading a ton of picks and paying him huge money when he's accomplished nothing that is a dumb idea...which, btw, our genius front office tried to do.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 21, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

PASkins FTW.

And yet, well still probably ditch JC for somebody like Clausen.

Amazing how the fans can figure it out but higher ups cant.... hopefully Bruce Allen is smart enough...

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 21, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse


1st to say F Jawaraski..........

He doesn't know what he's talking about. HE spends 80 hours a day @ NFL Films. HE can break down anyone in the world of NFL. But before MNF, he was releguted to a TV show that comes on @ 4:30 am every Sunday Morning in NON-HDtv. Give me a F-ing break. Jawaraski is a C+ jackole....such as...

Posted by: 4thFloor

Okay, you dub Jaws--the SEPN MNF commentator a "C+ Jackhole"

My GOD man, have you no sense of irony? You are writing on a BLOG and the only tape you watch got by your Mom in a plain brown wrapper.

You doofus. People like u and me and the rest of us here don't know 1/1000th as much football as a guy who played the game as long as he did and who spends most his waking hours watching film and breaking it down

Thanks for proving my point on an earlier post and for the best laugh of the day.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I went to see Avatar yesterday in 3D and it was f-ing awesome!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 11:35 AM |

I saw it on a regular screen yesterday and had a still had a little vertigo with some of the scenes, frickin cool. Flound, it got a little intense and violent, and Sigourney smokes throughout the movie. I think it's fine for 11 year olds, but depends on your sensitivities.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 21, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Thx Mayor for the perspective and insight from your previous gigs. . .good points re: the owner and the track record, however, since the likelihood of his selling the team is very low, this is the best we could expect. . .

You are right about redskin nation, most passionate w/o necessarily being thuggish or obnoxious fan base in the nation. . .

...and we deserve better than this, maybe in a not so perfect way we'll get it. . .

this change has allowed some of us to start looking forward again rather than reminisce in a way that is oddly symmetrical. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 21, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

My take on Jaws.

He knows his stuff, arguing otherwise is pointless and silly.

But he is annoying as the day is long, so I will cosign on a "F Jaworski"

Posted by: chrislarry | December 21, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

We will have Shanahan, I think the paperwork is already drawn up and waiting to be signed.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

1. The national media criticized Snyder for not hiring a football executive. Point now finally addressed after several years in the wilderness.

2. The national media criticized Snyder for hiring the coach before the GM or football executive and there not being a cooperative atmosphere within the organization. Point now appears to be finally reaching a resolution with Allen in place first and experienced coaches such as Shanahan now on deck for Step 2.

3. The national media criticized Snyder for hiring coaches in Spurrier and Zorn that didn't have the requisite executive experience to be successful in the NFL. The Redskins are now looking at coaches that DO have that experience. Once again, point made and addressed.

So, I don't understand what all these RI recriminations are in regards to the moves made so far.

Nobody in the NFL supported Vinny as a top executive who would lead the Redskins out of the woods.

Now, all of a sudden, we have a reporter/blogger going back on everything just established and talking about how it all 'could' unravel and how Allen/Shanahan might not bring a title to Washington.

Well, guess what?

Andy Reid hasn't delivered a Super Bowl title in 10 years as coach in Philadelphia.

Jeff Fisher hasn't delivered a Super Bowl title in 10 plus years in Tennessee.

Even Bill Parcells never won another Super Bowl after he left NY.

Nothing is guaranteed.

But to question the outcome here in DC when the process has not even be completed appears to me to be putting the horse THREE steps in front of the cart.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 21, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

And from Wiki:

Shanahan and his wife, Peggy, have three children—son Kyle and daughter Krystal. Kyle is a graduate of the University of Texas and is the Houston Texans’ offensive coordinator. Krystal also is a graduate of the University of Texas. He also has a daughter Lily who attends Linda Vista. Shanahan is a practicing Roman Catholic.

In May 2008, Shanahan attended the wedding of George W. Bush's daughter Jenna Bush, who was the former college roommate of Shanahan's daughter.


Shanny is using Snyder. And as far as JJ publicly saying he's not interested in Shanny...you learn that in Biz101. Shanny has all sort of ties to Texas, he'll be close to his fam, JJ will pay him as much as Snyder...I don't think BA is nearly enough to lure him here, but I've been wrong once or twice before.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

romoshort,

Thanks, I have no sensitivities this girls of mine need to get tougher.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

JAws on MNF was dogging the Redskins offense and praising the Eagles defense at which point on the very next play....JC17 throws to Cooooly...TOUCHDOWN!! BTW...we won that game.

4th rests his case.


Note - Don't turn Jaws into some sacred cow all of sudden because I decided to call him out....but we up here, including those I talk about now, talk the same talk on various people employed within the NFL....Give you opinion about the subject or keep it moving...what you think of me is irrelevant and bush league.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 21, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There are a number of good reason to sign JC to the tender...

1) Get the draft pick if someone matches or exceeds.
2) No other QB on the roster to hold the fort for a draft pick (should we go that way).
3) If it is Shanahan - he even made Jake the Snake seem like a pro-QB.
4) The line will be better and we have a better idea of his skills as a result and if it is what we thought - drop him the next year (or whatever the contract says).
5) He will be in a WCO so he will not be learning a totally new system along with the rest of the skill players and CP will be returning to his most successful system.
6) In an uncapped off-season we can take some chance we would not otherwise be able to do...

Not an appologist for JC but we really don't know what we have exactly...

Hail!

Posted by: ssh1549 | December 21, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17,
Not bashing Campbell today, but wanted to know your opinion on Shanahan with Campbell. Do you think Shanahan would keep Campbell? Do you think he would try to shove JC in the same WCO box that Zorn tried to force him into? 'Cause, I'm just thinking Shanahan isn't sold on Campbell and wouldn't be willing to tailor his offense for him. Jaws cited Campbell's poor passing ability on the run. As I think back to Shanahan's past QB's: Elway, Plummer and Cutler, I recall all of them were pretty good at throwing the ball on the move. Shanahan is enamored with the WCO, so don't know how that works for Campbell...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Now we can trade JC for Jay Cutler. Cool!

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Look... Dan has been looking for an offensive guru type coach for a long long time... Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn... Only Schottenheimer had a defensive background.

Probably from the moment Shanahan was fired by Denver, Jim Zorn's job status was lame duck because Snyder is friend's with Shanahan. Looking through everyone's post, why are some of you guys such haters??

I see people saying oh his teams didn't do this after Elway or Kubiak or Shanahan sucks because he drafted Cutler... Last year in 2008, the Denver Broncos averaged 23.1 ppg... let's see, Kubiak was gone, no Elway, & Cutler was QB. If you go back & look, you will be hard pressed to find a year that the Denver Broncos didn't average over 20 ppg.

Where Shanahan was wrong or bad was his personnel decisions on the defensive side of the ball which ultimately cost him his job. The Redskins defense is pretty much built for the long haul after last year & there will only be a few additions & subtractions over the next few years... The allstar talent could already be in place with Haynesworth, Orakpo, Jarmon, Carter, Hall, Fletcher, etc... Hopefully, he will bring some good scouts to especially evaluate the defensive players they draft.

Word has it that Kyle Shanahan (playcaller for Houston Texans) & defensive coordinator Bob Slowik will be coming with Shanahan... This is the guy everyone should be worried about... He was Denver's defensive coordinator & they couldn't stop anyone. Unfortunately, it looks like Shanahan is going to clean out everyone including our defensive coaches. Too bad we probably won't be able to keep status quo with Greg Blache & have Shanny run the offense.

Posted by: tony325 | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Any word if Chicago would be willing to trade Cutler?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Huh??? The Bills head coach was FIRED. Shanahan talked to them after he was fired.

And as a coaching fraternity you should wait until after the current coach is fired before seriously discussing taking his job. In fact, I heard Shanahan shot Snyder down earlier for this very reason.


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 11:44 AM


Yeah, but the Bills have an interim coach that deserves the same respect as the guy that got fired. Professional courtesy shouldn't just apply to "regular" head coaches.

All I'm saying is that there's no need to be surprised by Shanahan's actions. Especially when Snyder is likely to make him obscenely rich.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is using Snyder. And as far as JJ publicly saying he's not interested in Shanny...you learn that in Biz101.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 11:56 AM |

Right. Good ol' Biz 101. What did you make, a C-?

Lemme tell you about Biz 201. Snyder is using Shanny -- using him like Brownwood uses laughing gas. Snyder's not interested in Shanahan. He's pretending to be interested for two reasons: (1) to make Jerry pay through the nose for a guy he could have got for nothing and (2) to make the coach that Allen picks settle for less money.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

And as a coaching fraternity you should wait until after the current coach is fired before seriously discussing taking his job. In fact, I heard Shanahan shot Snyder down earlier for this very reason.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Thats BS on two fronts. The NFL is a cut throat business ruled at all levels by A type personalities who want to win. Zorn is a dead man walking as to being HC of the Redskins because at the end of the day and most of the games, Zorn is a LOSER. Being a great guy and a wonderful human being is all well and good, but Ya Gotta Win, Baby. Not only is Zorn losing games, but from where Danny sits, Zorn is costing you money. You should stop letting the estrogen poison your thinking.

Shanahan shot Snyder down as far as coming in as a replacement IN SEASON...as he could do nothing to fix the ills already festering.

Shanahan wanted personnel control, he wanted his guy, BA, who would deal with the numbers and contracts, and he wanted to start fresh at the end of the year.

Snyder served it up to him on a silver platter. We'll see if he partakes of the banquet.

I take the Mort reported Jerruh/Stoops story as another incremental clue that Jerruh, along with everybody else who matters, knows that Snyder/ Shanahan is a done deal.

Shanahan never won w/o Elway. A) Is not true and B) even if it was true, Shanahan is far and away better than Zorn.

If you want to upgrade at OT for Heyer for example, why would you NOT want to upgrade at HC for Zorn? Does ANYBODY really want to argue that Shanahan is NOT an obvious upgrade over Zorn?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

RomoShortball,
I don't how she does it, but Sigourney is still pretty hot for being 60.

As for Avatar, the whole movie was just so well done. Usually, when I see a movie that has so much CGI, there are points where I stop and think, "That doesn't look real", but I was pleasantly surprised by this one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Bob Slowik will be coming with Shanahan... This is the guy everyone should be worried about... He was Denver's defensive coordinator & they couldn't stop anyone.

Posted by: tony325 | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

That is a great point...

Shanahan and his off spring (Kubiak) - neither HC had/has a def that could match the off side of the ball.

Allen put some great def on the field but they were made from vets in Oakland and already in place at TB.

Posted by: ssh1549 | December 21, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

PASKINSFAN17: Agree with your previous post I've pretty much given up on Shanny keeping JC just my gut and i think bringing Shanahan on board is a mistake but things have been so screwed up lately that what else can they do i just see JC going elsewhere and playing well and going to a SB(don't laugh it could happen)and we getting stuck with a rookie cover boy cutie media darling who can't do sh#t(another Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez)say it ain't so!

Posted by: dargregmag | December 21, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Any word if Chicago would be willing to trade Cutler?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM

Chicago should give us Cutler and a second round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Shanny isn't going to Dallas for one reason he wants control of personell, well in Dallas he is not getting it. Jerry Jones is the last say on players, he gave it up to Parcells but he will not do it again.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

And as a coaching fraternity...

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 11:44 AM |

"Coaching fraternity"? That's a good one, Lisa. Sort of like "brotherhood of sharks" or "sorority of starlets."

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan never won w/o Elway. A) Is not true and B) even if it was true, Shanahan is far and away better than Zorn.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:08 PM


I've never been a fan of that whole "he never won without Elway" argument...Jimmy Johnson DIDN'T win with a HoF QB in Miami and I don't hear him getting crucified the way Shanny does.

Do I think Shanny is a great coach? Not really. But he's proven that he's good and that he at least gives you a chance to win. Which is more than we can say about the collection of turds we have now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is using Snyder. And as far as JJ publicly saying he's not interested in Shanny...you learn that in Biz101.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 11:56 AM |

Right. Good ol' Biz 101. What did you make, a C-?

Lemme tell you about Biz 201. Snyder is using Shanny -- using him like Brownwood uses laughing gas. Snyder's not interested in Shanahan. He's pretending to be interested for two reasons: (1) to make Jerry pay through the nose for a guy he could have got for nothing and (2) to make the coach that Allen picks settle for less money.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Why the fuqq would one owner care how much another owner spent on a coach?! I guess you didn't learn that the coach's salary doesn't count against the salary cap!

And as far as (2) goes - a 'huh' is all the response that one deserves.

Posted by: tomfoley1 | December 21, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has built great offenses and has always had top flight assistants on that side of the ball. On the negative side, he signed or drafted very few quality players on defense. Their defenses under Slowik were so bad that it kept them from even getting to the playoffs in 2008. I'm not a huge Blatche fan, but his defenses have been pretty good the last 2 years.

I seriously hope the Skins keep Campbell for at least 2-3 years so there is some stability on offense. The thought of trading for Cutler or starting a rookie QB next year is pretty scary. Campbell, with a decent line, could put up very good numbers and win games in Shanahan's offense.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 21, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

JZ's still gonna earn his 2.5 million right...so Lisa whats the problem??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Nice piece Jason. Temper our hope. We get ya! Thanks man. Good stuff.

Posted by: james51 | December 21, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Do I think Shanny is a great coach? Not really. But he's proven that he's good and that he at least gives you a chance to win. Which is more than we can say about the collection of turds we have now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 21, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Basically all we need from him is to get the Off side in the top 15-12 range to go with a top ten Def and then team will win 4-5 more games a year - 10-6 or 9-7 most years will get you into the playoffs. I would take that at this point...

Posted by: ssh1549 | December 21, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Chicago should give us Cutler and a second round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree. Cutler's trade value has to be much lower than it was last year.

If Snyder won't keep Campbell, I would take Cutler + Shanny over the guys in the draft.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 21, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse


'There are no guarantees in this."


...Duh

Posted by: jabels24 | December 21, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Bob Slowik will be coming with Shanahan... This is the guy everyone should be worried about... He was Denver's defensive coordinator & they couldn't stop anyone.

Posted by: tony325 | December 21, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

That is a great point...

Shanahan and his off spring (Kubiak) - neither HC had/has a def that could match the off side of the ball.

Allen put some great def on the field but they were made from vets in Oakland and already in place at TB.

Posted by: ssh1549 | December 21, 2009 12:10 PM
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I agree with Shanahan's preference for defensive coordinator. Slowik is lost in the woods and didn't Shanahan pull the trigger on acquiring all of those Browns' defensive linemen a few years back? I never understood that move. Guys were under-achievers and oft injured in Cleveland and they thought by bringing them to Denver they would somehow get different results???

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

cutler for campbell? I don't think so cutler throws alot off of his back foot and lack of velocity on ball causes interceptions(throws into alot of coverage also). snyder probably wants a great white hope" QB I would not be surprised if that deal came into fruition, shanahan won the 2 super bowls NOT because of elway but TERELL DAVIS was the DOMINATE player in the league at that time elway had already shot has load (age)the first of the 2 superbowls they won he almost caused the team to LOSE. I doubt if shanahan knows this kind of offense better than the man who is here now..sherm lewis.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 21, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Chicago isn't going to trade Cutler for anybody after having mortgaged their future to get him.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I find it difficult to watch Shanahan coach a game... something about his face, the eyes are set a little too close together and a little sunken, and his mouth looks funny, like he's working around dentures or caps... plus the rabid intensity thing is so over-the-top.

I don't think it's a done deal, but who the hell knows... but the bottom line is that Snyder/Shanahan/Allen would be better than Snyder/Cerrato/Zorn... it'd have to be, right?

Does Shanahan like drafting offensive linemen? I know he's a big proponent of the zone blocking/stretch running/chop blocking thing, so I would guess he wants big fast linemen with loose morals.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Not bashing Campbell today, but wanted to know your opinion on Shanahan with Campbell. Do you think Shanahan would keep Campbell? Do you think he would try to shove JC in the same WCO box that Zorn tried to force him into? 'Cause, I'm just thinking Shanahan isn't sold on Campbell and wouldn't be willing to tailor his offense for him. Jaws cited Campbell's poor passing ability on the run. As I think back to Shanahan's past QB's: Elway, Plummer and Cutler, I recall all of them were pretty good at throwing the ball on the move. Shanahan is enamored with the WCO, so don't know how that works for Campbell...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I think it's more up to the free agent market. I think we will tender him and if someone else ponies up the picks he'll be gone. If not then he'll stay.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Cutler isn't going anywhere he has a huge contract, plus they just gave up a ton to get him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let me get this straight. Snyder hires Allen after the courtship lasted a couple weeks? But Shanahan has been courted by Snyder for longer than 2 weeks. So who is the General Manager: Snyder or Allen? I don't get it. Somebody help me out. Not you Reid, because you're just the Post's injury report guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I doubt if shanahan knows this kind of offense better than the man who is here now..sherm lewis.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 21, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Shanahan should be expected to know Zorn's offense...

As for Lewis - he was stripped of play calling by Denny "They were who we thought they were" Green with Dante Culpepper and Randy Moss and I even think Robert Smith was stil playing (Not sure on that one). As a result was never thought of as a HC candidate again. The point is Shanahan will instal his version of the WCO that was pretty succesful (much more so than we've had here in a long time).

Cutler would be a mistake - he's a coach killer...

Posted by: ssh1549 | December 21, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

....so I would guess he wants big fast linemen with loose morals.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Who wouldn't???

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Chicago should give us Cutler and a second round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree. Cutler's trade value has to be much lower than it was last year.

If Snyder won't keep Campbell, I would take Cutler + Shanny over the guys in the draft.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 |

Are you guys SERIOUS??? Heaven help us!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Cool, then enjoy it, very good flick.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 21, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I find it difficult to watch Shanahan coach a game... something about his face, the eyes are set a little too close together and a little sunken, and his mouth looks funny, like he's working around dentures or caps...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 21, 2009 12:26 PM

Right. Whereas it's pure joy to watch Bill Cowher.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

lisa, whats your story with Cutler?? When he had players to throw to in Denver, he was a very good qb....in chicago he's got nothing to throw to....help me out here??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I think the trouble with Shanny getting rid of JC is that it will require a rebuild in order to replace JC and install his own WCO. If he has to rebuild then he'll need a new QB, RB, and line. We don't have the resources to aquire all of that in the next year or two. Given Danny's track record of only allowing a coach 2 years to start winning and a rebuild taking 3 years minimum, will Shanny risk trying to rebuild? I think he may stick with what he has for a couple of years and slowly transition it into his offense. I think he keeps JC for a couple of years and drafts his QB of the future next year or in the later rounds this year. We could end up with Colt McCoy in the 4th round or Tony Pike in the second. Either way I think he keeps a lot of our players for now and goes for some instant success so he doens't get canned in 2012.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 21, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Chicago should give us Cutler and a second round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys SERIOUS??? Heaven help us!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009
12:30 PM

I'm serious. We shouldn't trade Campbell for Cutler even-up. We should make them throw in a second round pick if they want Campbell.

Remember when Snyder was trying to trade a first round pick to Chicago for Briggs? Chicago wanted us to throw in Rocky MacIntosh.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys SERIOUS??? Heaven help us!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's that crazy an idea, if Shanny is the next HC.

-Cutler was successful in Denver and knows Shanny's offense.

-Campbell will probably be a RFA and has been playing well lately, so I think there is value in the deal for Chicago too.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 21, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahaha!!! The theme of this long-winded article is that "there are no guarantees in sports." Wow. What are we, four years old?

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | December 21, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Chicago should give us Cutler and a second round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree. Cutler's trade value has to be much lower than it was last year.

If Snyder won't keep Campbell, I would take Cutler + Shanny over the guys in the draft.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 |

Are you guys SERIOUS??? Heaven help us!!!


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2009 12:30 PM

It's called sarcasm...

Nobody is calling for Cutler.

While we are on the phone with the Bears about Cutler for JC we should also swap Betts for Forte.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 21, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm trying not to pimp it too hard for people that want to see it and give them a let-down, but I've never seen anything like it. And red is good color for Sig, I can't believe she's 60. I'll see it again in the 3D, that must have been sick.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 21, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let me get this straight. Snyder hires Allen after the courtship lasted a couple weeks? But Shanahan has been courted by Snyder for longer than 2 weeks. So who is the General Manager: Snyder or Allen? I don't get it. Somebody help me out. Not you Reid, because you're just the Post's injury report guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Snyder has wanted Shanahan all along. To get Shanahan, Snyder must meet his demands both monetary and the "conditions". One of the conditions was that a GM to manage the legal mumbo jumbo and do the contracts and salary cap crap. BA was on Shanny's list of acceptable GM types. Snyder rogered up and went and got BA. Everything Shanahan wanted has been served up. Nothing is certain until its the past, but at this point the only thing that keeps Shanahan from being the Coach is Shanahan taking another gig elsewhere, namely Dallas.

IMO, the correct thinking here is that BA being hired is a prerequisite part of Shanny's hiring.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

GTStang....
Oldschool Skins fans realize our team can stil lbe great, the NFC East is always on of the toughest Divisions in the NFL, year in and year out.....
As a diehard of 35+yrs, Mike Wise compared D. Snyder as Steinbrenner of the Yankees and his mess when he took over the Yankees back in the late 70's, well that is a great comparison for our Redskins today....UGH!!!.....we were 2 wins from winning it all back when Snyder took over the Redksins, just losing a close game to Tampa Bay and Norv Turner had really begun to turn this team around, look at his success in San Deigo...I am NOT saying I am a NOrv fan, BUT at some point "stability" and "routine" means something and in Football, well nothign of those two words ahs come from the Redskins organization in the past 10+ years.
I will leave you with this one thought, would a noname Joe Gibbs had made it throguh D. Snyder startign out 0-5 his 1st year....NO.....AND yo ushow me a QB who cna take the beating Campbell is taking week in and week out with a no name Off. linemen in front of him and he is STILL standing tall....now he is getting comfortable in the offense, ONLY to possibly have it all change next season....it might take us a fewe years to get back to the Playoffs, D. Snyder making a Head Coaching change will produce that....it is ashame, and as an Oldschool Redskin fan, integirty, loyality, professionalism is what the Redskins were built on under Jack Kent Cooke....who by the way built the Lakers to their heights before (building the old LA Forum, where they played) selling them before becoming the Redksins owner....a god send and hopefully Allen can provide the 3 things I mention above, becasue the Redskins team needs this, just look at how they are playing, with nothing but heeart right now, during this tryign year to still be playing hard at 4-9 is sayign something in this day and age of hyped ESPN 24/7!
Go Skins!

Posted by: talbottj | December 21, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

any chance we got a post on the game tonight or anything......I mean, lets have an update on how Suisham is feeling right now first, then onto the game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I agree with what SkinsfaninKaneohe is saying. I caught a report on yahoo sports saying sources inside the Bills organization said Shanahan said Bruce Allen and him where a pair. There if you wanted Allen you got Shanahan and vice versa. So when the Redskins hired Bruce Allen they also hired Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: TheReporter | December 21, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Does Shanahan being Roman Catholic meet the Rooney Rule?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is using Shanny -- using him like Brownwood uses laughing gas. Snyder's not interested in Shanahan. He's pretending to be interested for two reasons: (1) to make Jerry pay through the nose for a guy he could have got for nothing and (2) to make the coach that Allen picks settle for less money.
Posted by: League-Source | December 21, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I like how you've turned the tables on the conventional wisdom I've seen a lot of--that Shanny is using Snyder.

The worst-case scenario to me is more of the same old. This would be true if Snyder hired BA for window dressing and made up his won mind on who to hire as a coach. Above all else, I hope that call is made by Allen.

Then we can bash that choice all we want.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 21, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Or the Spirit of the rule?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

or is it more of a humanist rule, and he has to pass a DNA test?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Didn't this franchise just go through the same turmoil 2 years ago when Gibbs retired? It almost doesn't matter who the next coach is, w/ the idiot owner pulling the strings, it'll always be a chaotic, dysfunctional team on a road to nowhere.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Just what I feared, Allen is merely a figurehead for others.

Looks like we're stuck in unwatchable mediocrity...go Caps!

Posted by: Liebercreep | December 21, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Does Shanahan being Roman Catholic meet the Rooney Rule?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Only if his family is Roman Catholic from Sicily.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 21, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I won't speak for Lisa...but MY beef with Cutler is that he's a crybaby, me-first player who sulked his way out of Denver when McDaniels came on as coach because his name was involved in trade discussions...then went to Chicago and proceeded to stink up the joint.

Compare that scenario with JC, who had his VP and owner openly shopping for his replacement -- yet who didn't openly sulk at all and kept working hard, developing along with so-called busts at WR and TE.

I'd rather have many QBs before I took a chance on Crybaby Cutler.

Posted by: jcabana | December 21, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Some of the haters up here are ridiculous. I swear, if we traded for Peyton Manning some of the folks up here would complain that he's only won 1 Superbowl in his career.


And there is NO WAY we are getting Jay Culter. That ship has sailed. After all that Chicago gave up to get him, he is NOT getting traded for JC17 and 2nd rounder...unless, that is, Jerry Angelo is suddenly trying to get himself fired.

Chicago is gonna bring in Jeremy Bates to reunite w/Cutler and go after a receiver like Anquan Boldin.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

a couple of things to ponder up here. . .

1. if shanny is really the coach then wade is gone - makes no sense to have 2 former broncos coaches in the NFC. . .whiskey tango, what's next? Dan reeves replaces the embattled coughlin?

2. having lived in the Denver area through the SBs and post-Elway era, here's what I remember about the QB's shanny had starting for him after Elway retired: Bubby Brister, Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and Cutler. . .all looked like much better qb's when playing in Shanny's offense then they had/have anywhere else. . .Shanny figures out what a QB can do well and tailors the approach to that. . .I personally would like to see what he can do w/ JC. . .

HTTR

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 21, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Just what I feared, Allen is merely a figurehead for others.

Looks like we're stuck in unwatchable mediocrity...go Caps!

Posted by: Liebercreep | December 21, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse


How is overseeing football operations, managing the salary cap and negotiating with agents being a figure-head?

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

To be candid, I just don't buy this Shanahan crap. I still belief Zorn's stock is on the rise, bringing a new coach is simply stupid. A word of wisdom:DENVER (AP)
Mike Shanahan became the latest and most stunning victim of the NFL coaching purge, fired Tuesday by the Denver Broncos after a late-season collapse knocked the team out of the playoffs for the third straight year.
Shanahan joined Eric Mangini, Rod Marinelli and Romeo Crennel on the unemployment line after going 24-24 over the last three seasons, including three straight losses in 2008 that turned a three-game division lead to an 8-8 record.
What is the difference between Shanahan without Elway and Jim Zorn? Give Zorn a solid line, then see what happens.

Posted by: abxinc | December 21, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

How is overseeing football operations, managing the salary cap and negotiating with agents being a figure-head?


Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 1:09 PM |

Well for someone who just wants to hate on Snyder, and knows nothing of football he is a figure head.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think the trouble with Shanny getting rid of JC is that it will require a rebuild in order to replace JC and install his own WCO. If he has to rebuild then he'll need a new QB, RB, and line. We don't have the resources to aquire all of that in the next year or two. Given Danny's track record of only allowing a coach 2 years to start winning and a rebuild taking 3 years minimum, will Shanny risk trying to rebuild? I think he may stick with what he has for a couple of years and slowly transition it into his offense. I think he keeps JC for a couple of years and drafts his QB of the future next year or in the later rounds this year. We could end up with Colt McCoy in the 4th round or Tony Pike in the second. Either way I think he keeps a lot of our players for now and goes for some instant success so he doens't get canned in 2012.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 21, 2009 12:36 PM

Completely agree. Unless there's some half decent veteran FA QB available that Shanahan likes better (I have no idea who) than JC in the short term while he grooms a rookie. I think he keeps JC.

Posted by: skinswest | December 21, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever hear about the guy who went to the hospital for a minor operation and ended up losing a major organ?
That is what the Redskins reminds me when they dropped Cerrato and kept Campbell. The cancer is still in place.

Posted by: hock1 | December 21, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

a couple of things to ponder up here. . .

1. if shanny is really the coach then wade is gone - makes no sense to have 2 former broncos coaches in the NFC. . .whiskey tango, what's next? Dan reeves replaces the embattled coughlin?

2. having lived in the Denver area through the SBs and post-Elway era, here's what I remember about the QB's shanny had starting for him after Elway retired: Bubby Brister, Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and Cutler. . .all looked like much better qb's when playing in Shanny's offense then they had/have anywhere else. . .Shanny figures out what a QB can do well and tailors the approach to that. . .I personally would like to see what he can do w/ JC. . .

HTTR

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 21, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse


Why is everyone obsessed with the Shanahan and the Denver QBs?

IT WAS TERREL DAVIS AND THE RUNNING GAME THAT WON 2 SUPERBOWLS.

ONCE DAVIS SUFFERED A DEGENERATIVE CONDITION AND RETIRED, THE BRONCOS SUFFERED.

Shanahan gets all the credit in the world for winning those SUperbowls and keeping Denver competitive after his retirement. He brought the zone-blocking one-cut scheme to Denver and installed it with Alex Gibbs.

Shanny couldn't win without Elway???

Well, Elway couldn;t win without Shanny.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

JC beeps

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 21, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference between Shanahan without Elway and Jim Zorn? Give Zorn a solid line, then see what happens.

Posted by: abxinc | December 21, 2009 1:10 PM |

Let me anwser this again for those who can't read.

4 playoff appearances plus a AFC championship without Elway.

Zorn has won 11 games

Your right they are identical keep Zorn he is great.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference between Shanahan without Elway and Jim Zorn? Give Zorn a solid line, then see what happens.

Posted by: abxinc | December 21, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse


I'm curious to see if anyone out there is going to dignify this idiotic question with a real answer.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Is JC no worse than 16t hbest QB in the League?

Does JC have any upside in that if given a better line he could be in the top 10?

I think yes to both, and I also think there are Zero FA or Draftees for which the answer to both is yes next year. I think whatever happens at HC, JC is an obvious keeper unless somebody makes Danny an a stupid offer that Danny is famous for making to others, LOL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Ok, let me get this straight. Snyder hires Allen after the courtship lasted a couple weeks? But Shanahan has been courted by Snyder for longer than 2 weeks. So who is the General Manager: Snyder or Allen? I don't get it. Somebody help me out. Not you Reid, because you're just the Post's injury report guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Snyder has wanted Shanahan all along. To get Shanahan, Snyder must meet his demands both monetary and the "conditions". One of the conditions was that a GM to manage the legal mumbo jumbo and do the contracts and salary cap crap. BA was on Shanny's list of acceptable GM types. Snyder rogered up and went and got BA. Everything Shanahan wanted has been served up. Nothing is certain until its the past, but at this point the only thing that keeps Shanahan from being the Coach is Shanahan taking another gig elsewhere, namely Dallas.

IMO, the correct thinking here is that BA being hired is a prerequisite part of Shanny's hiring.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Kaneohe for the insight into Shanahan. I miss Kamehameha Schools on Kapalama Heights. In the old days if you grew up in Hawaii, the 49ers or Rams were your team. Or the Hawaii Islanders in baseball and wonderful Honolulu Stadium where 25,000 people saw ILH football games.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse


I'm curious to see if anyone out there is going to dignify this idiotic question with a real answer.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 1:16 PM

Someone already did you stupid moron.

Posted by: abxinc | December 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

i respect jaworski, but the last time i checked, he has won as many super bowls as campbell

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | December 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a crap who Bruce Allen's daddy was. What's the win-loss record for teams where he was GM? How many jobs did he get fired from? 'Nuff said.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | December 21, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse


Ok, let me get this straight. Snyder hires Allen after the courtship lasted a couple weeks? But Shanahan has been courted by Snyder for longer than 2 weeks. So who is the General Manager: Snyder or Allen? I don't get it. Somebody help me out. Not you Reid, because you're just the Post's injury report guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Snyder has wanted Shanahan all along. To get Shanahan, Snyder must meet his demands both monetary and the "conditions". One of the conditions was that a GM to manage the legal mumbo jumbo and do the contracts and salary cap crap. BA was on Shanny's list of acceptable GM types. Snyder rogered up and went and got BA. Everything Shanahan wanted has been served up. Nothing is certain until its the past, but at this point the only thing that keeps Shanahan from being the Coach is Shanahan taking another gig elsewhere, namely Dallas.

IMO, the correct thinking here is that BA being hired is a prerequisite part of Shanny's hiring.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 21, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Kaneohe for the insight. Wish I were there. I miss Kamehameha Schools on Kapalama Heights. In the old days, born and raised in Hnl, you were a 49ers fan or Redskins fan. High school football was huge, played in Honolulu Stadium with 25K folks. Getting ready for the Skins game tonight, got 5 layers of clothes, temps in the 20s. Enjoy Kaneohe weather.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Correction. Not a Skins fan then. Meant to say 49ers or Rams. But now Skins are the team.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I never thought Snyder would get rid of Cerrato. Atleast now, I have hope. I would have been thrilled if Cerrato had been replaced with a monkey and a magic 8 ball.

Posted by: djorl | December 21, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

This is my main problem with getting rid of Jason Campbell. He will be the TOP free agent/restricted free agent QB on the market next season. Behind him is ooo Patrick Ramsey!!! Michael Vick maybe available per trade and he may fit into a west coast system but that is a gamble. Another problem with Vick is the LAST thing the Redskins need to do is give up draft picks in a trade with the amount of wholes they need to fill. If you are thinking Rookie QB in the draft even Payton Manning struggled his rookie year and none of the Rookie QB's this year even come close to the hype Manning had coming out of College. Even if there was hype doesn't = success in there first year i.e Mark Sanchez. The BEST option right now (short term) for the Redskins is to sit back see what Campbell is offered in the Free Agent market then if the contract isn't huge match it. If you don't mind watching the Redskins loose for the next 3 years, draft a rookie or start Colt Brennan.

Posted by: TheReporter | December 21, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

ok, Monk81_Green28, your post confuses me... are you talking about Bruce or his "daddy?" Either way, i looked up stats for both. So let me humor you here... George Allen was head coach for our beloved skins for 7 years, 5 of which we went into the playoffs and 1 season he took the team all the way to the Superbowl. Bruce's first season with Tampa Bay was 11-5... which led them in the NFC South. so i don't understand where your "nuff said" statement comes from... Both George and Bruce have a pretty good track record from what i see... I can guarantee you we'll see a better Skins season next year than we've seen while Vinny was running the show. Since Vinny's second time back with the skins starting in 2002, his cumulative record is 52-65... I, for one, and glad that Vinny found his way out the door

Posted by: spinner85 | December 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I guess that I'm getting"hipped" to the "hire Allen to run the office because he's Shannahan's guy" thing but, I'm still holding out for Russ Grimm!

Posted by: scollins | December 21, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

BTW my opinion on Campbell. I hope the Skins keep him. He is a great QB if he is protected. The Skins O-line was horrid during the first half of the season. Did anyone else see how jumpy Campbell was during the last few games? it's because he's not used to the protection he has had recently.
I hope he's around next season. with a new O-line, the Redskins will be a vicious team :)

Posted by: spinner85 | December 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid its obvious that your not from these parts...We don't give a hoot about Tony Lasorda and the Dodgers. Not sure what value you add when your insight is kind of blah! We've been around this area for 50 years and its always a crap shoot. As a fan I'm happy a GM has arrived instead of that Cockeyed dude thats been blowing chocolate smoke up Snyder Bahooky for the last 10 years. A strategic plan will be put in place with a BLOODLINE that created the DALLAS WASHINGTON rivalry. So were happy!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid its obvious that your not from these parts...We don't give a hoot about Tony Lasorda and the Dodgers. Not sure what value you add when your insight is kind of blah! We've been around this area for 50 years and its always a crap shoot. As a fan I'm happy a GM has arrived instead of that Cockeyed dude thats been blowing chocolate smoke up Snyder Bahooky for the last 10 years. A strategic plan will be put in place with a BLOODLINE that created the DALLAS WASHINGTON rivalry. So were happy!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 21, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Recall that Bill Belichick was disaster at Cleveland, but when he got another shot at HC'ing has was successful.

Perhaps the second ( or third ) time for Allen will be the charm.

Assuming Shanahan is the man, as was pointed out above, he made the playoffs with a journeyman QB, so he can coach in the NFL.

Success will come if Snyder has learned and is willing to listen to his two top guys.

Build the lines and the D in the early rounds of the draft and worry about the skill positions later.

The "Skins won three Super Bowls with QB's who were drafted 4 and 6. I believe. The other was won by a QB who was a number one pick but who bounced around the NFL for almost 10 years.

Don't draft a QB in the first two rounds.

Posted by: pjente | December 21, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm a long-time fan. Went through the mess that was Skins football before Lombardi coached the team. Lived through the Allen and Pardee years before Bethard came on board and hired Gibbs. I remember when Gibbs was hired, no one knew who e was.

And he struggled his first year: 0-5 start, 8-8 finish. Then he figured out the strengths and weaknesses of his players and that his bombs-away Don Coryelle style offense had to be dumped for two TEs, power runs and deep throws off of play-action.

So my question is: why not hire a brilliant young assistant or co-ordinator who isn't a retread like Gruden or Shannahan? JR got it right from Lasorda: there's not guarantee of success hiring a retread.

Look at Tomlin in Pittsburgh or Harbaugh in Baltimore. Hungry, smart young coaches CAN get it done. Why not go that way?

Posted by: Grendel13 | December 21, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"But Zorn is owed about $2.5 million for the final guaranteed year of his deal in 2010, so he'll have time to regroup and try to rebuild his career."
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As usual, the only people that really suffered through all this "On the Job" training were the fans. Despite the lousy results and unwatchable product, the players, the coaches, the EVP and even the owner all got paid!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 21, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Grendel13, Zorn WAS a young one... this is only his second season of his personal career being a head coach... Albeit, he was an offensive coordinator for the hawks before he found his way onto the skins payroll, but the offense has been his biggest struggle this season. I hope we hire Shanahan, NFL history supports both, hiring a young coach and finding a veteran. And, not all rookie coaches will be on top of their game, but neither will every veteran coach. Just because other teams have been successful with a rookie doesn't necessarily mean the Redskins will be.

Posted by: spinner85 | December 21, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

As Lasorda once told me: "Guarantees? You kidding me? There are no guarantees in this."
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The only "Guarantees" are that no changes will take place if Vinnie did not resign.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 21, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Look at Tomlin in Pittsburgh or Harbaugh in Baltimore. Hungry, smart young coaches CAN get it done. Why not go that way?
Posted by: Grendel13 | December 21, 2009 2:07 PM

Well you can also say that retreads have worked as well. Belichik and Dick Vermel to name a few. There is always another side of an argument. I do believe what J.Ried was saying in this article is correct. You can bring in a young hungry coach or a retread superbowl coach. Its all about how the pieces come together, how the front office and head coach communicate and there is a healthy check and balance within the organization structure.

Posted by: TheReporter | December 21, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Prove that Gibbs was a great coach at least in V1 that he won 3 SB with 3 different QBs. Shan had Elway.

But the move to get a GM in Allen was definitely a positive step.

For Shan, I remember a couple of months ago where rumor had it that they saw the Redskin plane at the Denver airport where Shan only live a couple of minutes away.

So I do think there is some validity in Shan being hired some weeks ago and Allen was one piece that Shan wanted.

90% chance that Shan is named the coach with 1-2 weeks of season end.

Go Skins.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | December 21, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahaha!!! The theme of this long-winded article is that "there are no guarantees in sports." Wow. What are we, four years old?

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | December 21, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

no, we're sports fans. But more often than not, the difference between the two is negligible at best.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 21, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

1st to say F Jawaraski..........

He doesn't know what he's talking about. HE spends 80 hours a day @ NFL Films. HE can break down anyone in the world of NFL. But before MNF, he was releguted to a TV show that comes on @ 4:30 am every Sunday Morning in NON-HDtv. Give me a F-ing break. Jawaraski is a C+ jackole....such as...

Posted by: 4thFloor


Please stop with the pathetic ranting and whining about someone who could care less about what you think because you are some nobody on a blog. You think Jaws is reading your post and losing sleep over it? Not a chance loser.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 21, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Bruce Allen is the answer to all - or even some - of the Redskins' problems has been smoking too much of the wrong stuff. He and Chuckie Gruden are responsible for the very sad state of the Buccaneers, a team that is even more dreadful than the Dreadskins.

Posted by: sameolddoc | December 21, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Bruce Allen is the answer to all - or even some - of the Redskins' problems has been smoking too much of the wrong stuff. He and Chuckie Gruden are responsible for the very sad state of the Buccaneers, a team that is even more dreadful than the Dreadskins.

Posted by: sameolddoc | December 21, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jason has another warrior-like performance. I love the toughness Jason Campbell has shown this year. I hope he lights up the Midgets' secondary tonight.

Warrior Campbell FTW!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 21, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Redskin fans would have been overjoyed to see any GM come here after what we've been through. It's not that anyone thinks Allen is great. At least he has some Redskin roots and has some promise. If he were on top of his game somewhere, he wouldn't have been available. But we want to see something new. Because what we've had didn't work. And yes, I wish the Washington Post could find sports writers who actually liked the teams they were covering. How hard is that to do?

Posted by: OintheSierras | December 21, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Snyder looks to make his next splash hire in Shanahan and all will be well again in Redskinland as it has after all his past splash hires.

Posted by: cannontl | December 21, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

spinner85, you're right that Zorn is/was young. But in Seattle he was QB coach not a coordinator. And let's be real, when you are Mike Holmgren's QB coach that's kind of like being Peyton Manning's backup. In other words, you aren't getting many reps with the first unit.

All I'm saying is there are lots of good young coaches and co-ordinators who are more than capable.

Posted by: Grendel13 | December 21, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Snyder is that he has the attention span of a gnat and the conscience of a crocodile. He hires people and almost immediately starts undermining them as if SOMEONE ELSE hired them. His pattern of interviewing people for their bosses jobs before they are fired is ludicrous. Nothing is more corrosive to morale. He assumes everyone is motivated by money (just like him!) and gets discouraged when his shiny new toys need new batteries. I doubt if he has the patience or courage to develop a winning organization. As a marketing guy he looks at the BRAND -- if you buy the best BRAND then you should get a winner, right??

Posted by: SackMan | December 21, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Nothing is guaranteed" They actually paid this dope to write that?! Lefties..

Posted by: wewinyoulose | December 21, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Redskin officials and sports journalism have stooped to incredible lows by discussing the possible replacement of a coach DURING THE SEASON who hasn't even been fired yet. I have never been a Redskins fan, but I hope they win their last 3 games and make it all but impossible for Zorn to be fired without looking like a bunch of third-world assassins.

Posted by: fredmayes1 | December 21, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Jaworski. Campbell is a very good QB now and is greatly improved since being under Zorn's tutelage.

I can almost guarantee that we (the 'skins) will be terrible under Shanahan. This is basically the situation that Wilbon wrote about over the weekend. It's another "name" hire that is entirely for the purpose of having Danny make that "big splash" acquisition. In other words, it continues to be all about Danny's ego.

Shanahan is a decent coach whose stock is bolstered by inheriting a super-talented team in Denver and winning two SBs. Nonetheless, he is a solid coach but he's never worked in a dysfunctional organization like our beloved Redskins.

We're screwed until Danny sets up another Schottenheimer type situation and sticks with it for several years or he sells the team to someone with fewer emotional problems.

Posted by: ezetimibe | December 21, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

leopard09,

Right on!!!

Posted by: hessone | December 21, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the same guy still calling the shots? Vinney wasn't smart enough to do all the damage that has been done to this organization over the last decade! The smartest thing Victor Charlie did was too fall on the sword for Snyder! As in all successful Corporations, success starts at the top, and folks we still still got the same muttonhead at the top calling the shots!

Posted by: Spanglerg | December 21, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

i'm not a shanahan fan either. his early success was due to a HOF QB and the orange crush, which, i think (?) predated him. they havdn't had a good QB since. on the other hand, he has been very good at selecting running backs and fairly good and "marrying" the running attack with the passing attack. it should be an improvement, depending on who the defensive coach is.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 21, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

as stated earlier, i don't particularly like shanahan, but if jason reid's statement about "head coach and president" (translating to whomever is chosen as coach will have FINAL say over everything) then, yes, that'll be a huge step in the right direction...

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 21, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Time will tell if Allen and the next HC have success, but this at least is a step in the right direction. Vinny and Danny ran this team into the ground, and the way they knee capped Jim Zorn, Zorn comes out smelling like a rose. We know it, they know it, and all the fans know it. Best of luck to Zorn who has taken the high road when almost all of us would not have.

Posted by: bfjam | December 21, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan comes in as head coach AND president, that immediately creates a power struggle between the 2 new hires. Who has the power, the GM or the president? Shanahan should only be brought in as coach, otherwise, it's another in a long line of bone-headed moves by the little owner.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 21, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Nice first post, "4thFloor":
"releguted" (sounds painful)
"Jawaraski is a C+ jackole....such as..."

Um, ever hear of 1) A dictionary? 2) Spell-checker? 3) Education? 4) English?

Entertaining stuff, 4th!

Please continue.

Posted by: fargincorksucker | December 21, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

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