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What I Think: The Week That Was (Updated)

Another loss to a previously winless team, an "extra set of eyes" brought in to overlook Coach Jim Zorn, a suddenly silent defensive coordinator and a heated verbal exchange between the star running back and the Pro Bowl fullback. What a week that was in Ashburn. Obviously, trying times such as these demand another installment of Here's What Happened/Here's What I Think.

Here's what happened: The Carolina Panthers defeated the Redskins, 20-17, for their first victory of the season. Washington was undone in large part by a strange sequence of events on a punt in the fourth quarter that resulted in a turnover that quickly resulted in Carolina's go-ahead touchdown.

Here's what I think: Zorn simply can't catch a break. The Redskins took a 15-point lead -- the biggest of Zorn's 21-game tenure -- early in the third quarter, but they finished poorly again. Zorn's career record dropped to 10-11, and the heat continued to rise around him.

At this point, I'm not sure what Zorn could do to persuade owner Daniel Snyder to bring him back for a third season. There's so much going against Zorn within the organization that even if the Redskins rallied around him and somehow qualified for the playoffs, it's highly doubtful Snyder would stick with him.

Here's what happened: On Monday, Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels was ruled out of this week's game against the Kansas City Chiefs at FedEx Field because of a neck injury he suffered in the loss to the Panthers. Samuels, who was hurt on Washington's second play from scrimmage and sat out the remainder of the game, has played for several seasons with stenosis, a narrowing of the spine.

Here's what I think: There's no one I respect more in the locker room than Samuels for his selfless dedication to his teammates. He has continued to practice and has remained in the lineup despite a knee that often puffs up after games. He came back after having multiple surgeries in the offseason, and you wouldn't even know what he goes through physically because he just shuts his mouth and works.

But several of Samuels' teammates have been telling me all season they just didn't know how long he could hold up. And if it wasn't the knee that forced him to shut it down, they figured, it would be something else because Samuels has overcome a lot physically and that takes a toll. One other thing I've been told: Without Samuels on the line, it's game over for the Redskins' offense.

Here's what happened: For Sunday's game, the plan is for right tackle Stephon Heyer to take Samuels' spot and for Mike Williams, who started at right guard against the Panthers, to move to right tackle. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel and Zorn have not determined how to fill the vacancy at right guard, but guard-center Will Montgomery and second-year guard Chad Rinehart, who was demoted after two weeks as a starter, are the top candidates for that job.

Here's what I think: Heyer often has been downright scary in pass protection and, for the most part, totally ineffective in the running game. Rinehart, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft, was drafted as a tackle-guard, and the team quickly determined he was not athletic enough to play tackle in the NFL.

Rinehart took over at right guard after a triceps injury ended Randy Thomas' season, but he wasn't very good in pass protection, I was told, and the Redskins want a bigger body for the running game. That's why the team turned to Williams, who had not appeared in the regular season since 2005 and had played guard only twice in the NFL.

Zorn significantly pared down the offensive game plan against the Panthers because he feared that quarterback Jason Campbell could get hurt playing behind a line that included D'Anthony Batiste at left tackle for Samuels. Several players told me Campbell had time to go through only one progression on passing plays. Against Kansas City, Heyer and Williams will be the bookends with either Rinehart or Montgomery -- who failed to beat out Rinehart when Thomas left the lineup -- at right guard.

That's a lot of change in the starting lineup. And Washington's depth along the offensive line, which was considered weak at the beginning the season, is only weaker.

Here's what happened: Jon Gruden reportedly is Snyder's top choice to replace Zorn. Mike Shanahan reportedly likely will be the Redskins' next coach. Mike Holmgren reportedly could be headed to Washington.

Here's what I think: There will be many such reports until Snyder actually replaces Zorn. But it's all just speculation until Snyder actually interviews someone for the job Zorn currently occupies -- regardless of what people who claim to know Snyder's plans tell reporters.

Here's what happened: Running back Clinton Portis requested to have fullback Mike Sellers demoted in favor blocking tight end Todd Yoder during the Week 4 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Sellers confronted Portis, and they had a heated verbal exchange, prompting many in the locker room to side with Sellers.

Here's what I think: I'm on record as not being a fan of Portis's act. Yeah, he runs hard and blocks well for a back on game days -- but so what?

Portis doesn't practice while others continue to give everything they have throughout the week. He threw the coach under the bus last season when things began to turn badly, and he got on the phone with coaches behind Sellers' back. Many players, who requested anonymity, told me last week they are fed up with Portis, who puts himself ahead of the team, in their opinion, because of his close relationship with the owner.

Here's what happened: Snyder hires Sherman Lewis, a longtime assistant in West Coast offenses, because of his dissatisfaction with the poor point production of Zorn's version of the West Coast.

Here's what I think: I found it refreshing that Zorn, who no doubt has been instructed to shoulder the blame for this mess, briefly rediscovered the candor that once made him so endearing to the media.

When asked about the hiring of Lewis, he made it clear they had "zero" previous professional or personal relationship and that "no" he did not call anyone in the league to ask anything about Lewis after the move was made. From what I've been told, Lewis, 67, is a kindly man, and his interaction with Zorn and Zorn's staff has been professional if not friendly, which is understandable under the circumstances.

Of course, Lewis and defensive coordinator Greg Blache have a bond, having coached together previously, and I hear they do chat.

Here's what happened: A week after stressing the need for accountability, Blache informed team officials he would no longer answer reporters' questions. NFL rules mandate that teams make coordinators available to the media at least once a week, so the Redskins received permission from the league to have secondary coach Jerry Gray assume Blache's former duties.

Here's what I think: The Redskins could have done a better job handling this situation. Then again, with the problems on the field, Zorn's increasingly shaky footing and rampant speculation about his successor, they've been a little distracted in the main building.

No one, on the record at least, has provided an explanation as to why Blache can perform all the duties of his position except one. Gray, who has served as a defensive coordinator in his career, is not in all the position-group meetings and does not devise the defensive game plan each week. Other than that, he's just the right guy to comment on the defense overall.

From the Bog

Dan Steinberg has Campbell discussing Lewis's role, Zorn on the punting rule and John Feinstein's call for a Redskins boycott.

This just in...Steinberg has comments from Portis on the Sellers dustup, from the John Thompson show and John Riggins spoke up today.

By Jason Reid  |  October 13, 2009; 3:01 PM ET
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/13/redskins-shopping-anthony-montgomery/

Redskins shopping Anthony Montgomery
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 13, 2009 2:47 PM ET
Redskins defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery was displaced in the starting lineup by Albert Haynesworth this offseason, and now might be sent right off the roster.

A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that Montgomery is being shopped in advance of next week's trading deadline.

A starter for 21 games between 2007-2008, Montgomery has not been active this season.

The decision to shop Montgomery comes after the team found out that Philip Daniels will play through a torn biceps, and the team re-signed Renaldo Wynn Monday.


Apologies if this has already been posted.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 13, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that Montgomery is being shopped in advance of next week's trading deadline.

A starter for 21 games between 2007-2008, Montgomery has not been active this season.

The decision to shop Montgomery comes after the team found out that Philip Daniels will play through a torn biceps, and the team re-signed Renaldo Wynn Monday

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, please don't let us lose a draft pick or three in this trade...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 13, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 13, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

After a bye week for Zeke, its time to return. This week, its short, but not sweet.

Some have accused this Redskins team of not having an identity. Not true.

The Gibbs 1.0 era is summarized by one iconic image --John Riggins steamrolling a helpless Miami defender on his way to the game clinching TD in the Super Bowl.

In the Dan Snyder era, the team's identity can also be summarized by one image. A less iconic image, but ironically, somewhat similar. It comes from this week's game vs Carolina. It is the image of aging QB Jake Delhomme carrying our high priced CB, DeAngelo Hall 6 yards, just enough to get the game clinching 1st down.

The Dan Snyder era, has an identity. And it is this: Our competitor with modest talent using grit and determination to beat our big money defender on the game's most crucial play.

Put that on a poster and hang it in front of Snyder's office. Because that IS the identity of the Dan Snyder era.

And that is this week's ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as usual, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It might be a bit much to ask fans who have paid triple digits for tickets not to use those tickets at FedEx field. There are other things, though, fans can do to hit The Dan’s pocketbook:
1) Do not buy anything w/ a Redskins logo on it. The Dan gets a piece of each purchase. Wear all the generic burgundy and gold clothing you want. Just don’t buy official Redskins items.
2) If you attend FedEx field, don’t buy any food, souvenirs, or other concessions.
3) Do not watch on TV or listen on radio to any of the several programs/stations owned by Snyder’s Redskins Broadcast Network. If ratings go down, The Dan’s ad revenue goes down.
Above all, remember: you’re boycotting Snyder, not the Washington Redskins. Stay loyal to the players and coaches and to the traditions of the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 13, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

When is the FIRST Wizards game?

Posted by: CowboyKiller | October 13, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

or Fifth game?

Posted by: CowboyKiller | October 13, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

As long as we trade him for a O-lineman, or draft pick, thats fine with me.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"even if the Redskins rallied around him and somehow qualified for the playoffs, it's highly doubtful Snyder would stick with him."

That is crazy and stupid - crazy stupid.

If Zorn could somehow take this team with it's myriad of problems to the playoffs, I would sign him a 10 year contract. And while I wouldn't expect Snyder to do that, I'm sure he wouldn't fire him if he got to the playoffs.

Posted by: REXskins | October 13, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrMerkin

Are you radio show host, Dr. Gabe Mirkin?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but this isn't a high patience league, so you gotta make the most of your chances. With the game on the line, it would have been huge for DT to make that catch. Alot of people would have trusted him more from then on out. Instead he dropped it, and until proven otherwise he isn't reliable...as for the stubborn streak and not changing the game plan, he did -- he threw it out the window once he realized we had matadors on the offensive line...

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 2:50 PM

If you have NFLN, I suggest to you that you rewatch the next time it comes on, the 1998 NFC WildCard game between SanFran and Green Bay featuring the 'Catch II'.

T.O. was just Terell Owens and not yet a superstar. HE was in his 2nd/3rd season. And he had ATLEAST 4/5 drops that hit his chest in that playoff game. Jerry Rice had only one reception that game.

Last Play of the game, SanFran down, Steve Young, despite Terell dropping all of those previous balls threw it to him anyway. He caught it, despite a mean hit from Darren Sharper.

And BAM...T.O. was born...Out of the fear of being the GOAT, to tears of 'I did it B!t#s'.

And they were doing interviews between plays, and Steve Young said he had faith in T.O. the whole time and he just wanted to make sure his head was still in the game, which it was. And right before he threw it, he said he knew he would catch that ball, which he did.

Now what were you saying? Because as I watch these games, like I said, Zorn and JC17 obviously don't trust MK12 nor DT11...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

OWENS, OWENS, OWENS!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

mr merkin, you got it, I am NOW not going to the game based on your post....Boycott is in full force and effect...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"qualified for the playoffs", What are you smoking.
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | October 13, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

To RedDMV:
Mr.Merkin is just a pseudonym. The full pseudonym is Harry Merkin. I like the pun. Hope you get a laugh out of it, too. I'm not even familiar w/ a radio person named Dr. Gabe Mirkin. Does he wear a wig?

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

So did Westbrook not know that ARE had signaled for a fair catch?

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It might be a bit much to ask fans who have paid triple digits for tickets not to use those tickets at FedEx field. There are other things, though, fans can do to hit The Dan’s pocketbook:
1) Do not buy anything w/ a Redskins logo on it. The Dan gets a piece of each purchase. Wear all the generic burgundy and gold clothing you want. Just don’t buy official Redskins items.
2) If you attend FedEx field, don’t buy any food, souvenirs, or other concessions.
3) Do not watch on TV or listen on radio to any of the several programs/stations owned by Snyder’s Redskins Broadcast Network. If ratings go down, The Dan’s ad revenue goes down.
Above all, remember: you’re boycotting Snyder, not the Washington Redskins. Stay loyal to the players and coaches and to the traditions of the burgundy and gold.


Posted by: MrMerkin

So...I'm will go to the game and ruin the weekly experience for my son just to "get back" at the owner? It won't happen! I don't care about buying that stuff and giving Snyder money. Its not like he pulls a Donald Sterling and keeps it to himself. He'll spend it, not in the right places, but he'll spend it. It's his decision making, not his willingness to spend, that has screwed this team up. We need a real football guy making hiring and personnel decisions.

Posted by: dcwun | October 13, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

We blew it. Easiest starting schedule in the history of the league and we blow it. Imagine that. This dude in the main pic says it all.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-are-first-in-history-to-play-six-straig?urn=nfl,195479

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I recently bought a Sean Taylor jersey.

It's the only Redskins jersey I own. I haven't even worn it yet.

I remember the dude 4th thought he could see me with the jersey game -- F Jersey Joe. They call the boy, Jersey Red. At one point every time you saw me I was in the 70s.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks JR. Do you happen to know what a professional football person thinks? A journalist doesn't help us much. Thanks again.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 13, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hello. My name is Lou Szovati and I am submitting my name to be entered in next years coaching/GM bid for the Washington Redskins. Here is my list of Top 10 Priorities:
10. I won't install any kind of special offensive 10,000 page "system" - I will recognize my players strengths and use them to our teams advantage.
9. RB, Offensive Linemen & a dynamic WR/KR like Desean Jackson will be the main targets of nxt yrs draft.
8. All trophies, pennants & awards of the past will be taken down from corridors and hallways to remind the current team they haven't won anything.
7. Training camp will be extremely competetive & no player shall wear the redskins symbol on his helmet until he earns it & makes the team, not by name or salary.
6. Underproducing Dead weight shall be let go via trades/cuts: Mike Sellers, Clinton Portis, Randy Thomas, Phillip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn, Andre Carter & Carlos Rogers.
5. No free passes for missing practice or team related.
4. I will put the best players on the field based on their performance, dedication, heart & desire to win regardless of name & salary.
3. I will search and hire the best defensive co-ordinator with an aggressive, attacking style.
3. The offense will return to its past & glorious form of basic redskin old school football.
2. I won't ever be afraid to get into my players faces.
1. I will consistently remind my team of what it means to be a Washington Redskin and that we are the BEST team in football - no one beats us, especially in our own home.

Posted by: lszovati | October 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrMerkin

Can I watch Redskins game on TV?

Posted by: kenvivi | October 13, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

MrMerkin, Dr. Gabe Mirkin hosts a syndicated radio show on health and fitness. I'm not sure if the dude ever wore a wig... I'm not sure if it still comes on, but I remember my grandmother listening to it all the time.

My bad at the attempted humor. Your screen name brought back some nostalgic memories for a dude.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

didn't ACarter have 2 1/2 sacks the last game??

Now this, this is funny:

RB, Offensive Linemen & a dynamic WR/KR like Desean Jackson will be the main targets of nxt yrs draft.

If there is one thing we're in need of thats is ANOTHER wideout....YES...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

If there is one thing we're in need of thats is ANOTHER wideout....YES...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
----

Redskins = Lions 2.0

Posted by: REXskins | October 13, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Da Mayor" needs to leave his personal feeling about Portis out of his work. His love of Zorn has him barely critical of some of the worst playcalling I've seen.

I'm happy Portis called him out because he was absolutely correct. Sellers hasn't blocked well, along with the O-Line, and drops passes.

And Mr. Mayor, stop making Poris calling out Sellers a real story. This happens on every team in the league. Whoever leaked that stuff that should stay in the locker room is the REAL problem.

Posted by: dcwun | October 13, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Not even the same argument, but whatever...

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and JC17 obviously don't trust MK12 nor DT11...

Posted by: 4thFloor

I think you've got it backwards. MK12 and DT11 haven't earned trust. Campbell has been completing a high % of his passes, which means he is doing a pretty good job of finding open targets.

If you want to write off the 2009 season and make it all about rebuilding, then you limit Moss and ARE.

But so far, ARE has 186 yards this year -- only a few yards less than Kelly + Thomas have combined -- for their careers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I forgot about the trading deadline. Here is the dcsween lock of the season ... it hits or you get a full refund (minus the time you spent reading this).

Carlos "cajones big enough to call out The Owner in his contract year" Rogers plus Anthony Montgomery for a guard with 4-5 years experience and a second (or third) round pick.

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Careful JohnD, if gatorskinz reads that he'll surely crap his khakis.

Dude really think Tebow can be a great QB.

Lol @ the Nebraska QBs... Tommy Frazier... the one scrambling QB that the Rams converted into a safety....

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse


1st of all, I never said he would be a great QB, He has the talent to become a NFL QB.

2ndly People were on here saying Percy Harvin wouldnt pan out because he was from Florida, still waiting on those people to correct their statements. I will go back and find the posts and call you out.

3rd I really dont want to know how RED knows I am wearing Khakis, and that there may or may not be choo choo tracks in them.
Not my fault that I have been screaming during Redskins game so much I have a slight case of Spastic colon.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

To dcwun:
I agree. “We need a real football guy making hiring and personnel decisions.” But as long as Snyder is making money from folks like you, he’s not going to give up ownership and allow a competent “football guy” to take over.
To kenvivi:
Of course watch the Redskins games on TV. As I understand it, the money the networks pay to televise NFL games is divided equally among the 32 teams. So Snyder already has his cut of that money and watching the games on TV will do little to affect his income. Now get your tongue out of your cheek and support the boycott as outlined near the top of this comments column!

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 13, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

8. All trophies, pennants & awards of the past will be taken down from corridors and hallways to remind the current team they haven't won anything.

3. I will search and hire the best defensive co-ordinator with an aggressive, attacking style.
3. The offense will return to its past & glorious form of basic redskin old school football.

Wow, how lucky to find someone so qualified and close to home.

So...eliminate any reminder of past glory--3 Super Bowl wins-- cause keeping it around makes them complacent? Check the last Super Bowl date of victory, it'll say 1991.

But we will espouse past glory by reverting to Redskin roots. Let me know when you will be auctioning the Hog Painting of the boys in tuxuedo's, at dinner with pigs.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"There's so much going against Zorn within the organization that even if the Redskins rallied around him and somehow qualified for the playoffs, it's highly doubtful Snyder would stick with him."

By Jason Reid | October 13, 2009; 3:01 PM ET

Why would there be so much going against Zorn in the organization, when the "organization" can't even figure out that you need a decent offensive line (which includes some depth) to be successful?

Posted by: cannontl | October 13, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

didn't ACarter have 2 1/2 sacks the last game??

Now this, this is funny:

RB, Offensive Linemen & a dynamic WR/KR like Desean Jackson will be the main targets of nxt yrs draft.

If there is one thing we're in need of thats is ANOTHER wideout....YES...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Exactly what I was thinking.

The last thing we need is another WR, we need:

1. RT
2. LT
3. C
4. SLB
5. RG
6. FS
7. RB
8. MLB
9. DT
10. QB

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

2ndly People were on here saying Percy Harvin wouldnt pan out because he was from Florida

ever heard of Taylor Jacobs?? Florida has a long storied history of producing less than stellar results with wide-outs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

On our pass catchers.

Moss is 13th in yards, good for a #1 WR in a 32 team league.
Cooley is 33rd in yards, good for a #1 TE
ARE is 74th in yards, good for a #3 WR.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Greg, were you going to catch Amtrak or drive down to the game Sunday?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

sween, I think we're going to have to wait for "A Very Special Report from Lorenzo Alexander" to get the skinny on just what happened on that fateful punt return.

zilla confirmed my suspicion that it's de rigeur to start hollering when you've decided to make a fair catch, precisely so your comrades whose backs are turned towards you don't do that thing that Westbrook did. zilla claims that what is hollered is usually "Peter! Peter!"

Maybe Lorenzo can inform us what, if anything, Westbrook heard and when he heard it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

gator, I like to rehash old back and forths, just joking around for the most part.

I'm always confronting psps about Reggie Bush and whether is a bust or not.

It isn't fun anymore because he has conceded to the fact that he is indeed a bust.

Don't ever drop or lower your Tebow flag, because when Tebow is playing in the UFL, I'm going to jokingly remind you about it.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

So did Westbrook not know that ARE had signaled for a fair catch?

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 3:21 PM

He was too busy getting owned [or is pwned? and why the 'p' for the 'o'...I missed internets school the day they taught that one] by the guy he was trying to block, so my guess is he didn't know.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

As I understand it, the money the networks pay to televise NFL games is divided equally among the 32 teams.
Posted by: MrMerkin

Or as someone once said, 32 ruthless capitalists all voting to be socialists.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

jd, I was going to ride my mountain bike down, but since I'm boycotting the game, no need.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

fire cerrato

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 13, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

hell, we are undefeated at home!! it's about time that we got some W's at home, too bad we suck and there's nothing more to say and it won't last, im so upset, but jaded is a word that is coming to mind, it's like i almost don't care b/c i expect it, but im actually as pissed as ive ever been and hate the nfl and every other 31 teams
todaysskins14

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 13, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

2ndly People were on here saying Percy Harvin wouldnt pan out because he was from Florida

ever heard of Taylor Jacobs?? Florida has a long storied history of producing less than stellar results with wide-outs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I of all people know of the failed receivers that have come out of Florida. However, Percy(aka Virginia, as my wife like to call him) is not Taylor Jacobs.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Well...Atleast a dude is thinking...

I don't see anyone else coming up with a resonable suggestion. We aren't adding any new toys during the season, so the only hope to change is within the gameplan and who JC chooses to throw to. Zorn won't change the gameplan. And JC ain't throwing to the young WRs.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Had to interject something of an off-topic comment here...

Dr. Gabe Mirkin has my utmost love and respect. As a kid, I had terrible issues with allergies and asthma. I was in the hospital monthly totally unable to breathe. We were also of very limited means as a family. My mother called into Dr. Mirkin's show one afternoon and he told her to call his office and that he would see me as soon as possible. We were in there shortly thereafter and after seeing me for an hour or so and doing all kinds of tests, he diagnosed all of my allergies, put me on allergy shots, and helped me successfully manage my asthma ever since. I've only had sporadic outbreaks since (though, lately, it has gotten worse, but that's another story).

Dr. Mirkin didn't charge my mother a dime until we could afford to pay.

He is as genuine and good a man as they come.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't ever drop or lower your Tebow flag, because when Tebow is playing in the UFL, I'm going to jokingly remind you about it.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

UFL, Where future stars come to play!!!

I will take the ribbing, however, when he is taken in the 1st or 2nd round....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think: Blache replaces Zorn as head coach at the break. Zorn will be replaced as I predicted very, very early on. Because Greg Blache truly cares. And at that point things will have reached a point where he will feel the need to protect his people. Sherm Lewis will likely replace Zorn as offensive coordinator with help from the rest of the coaching staff.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

4th, as far as this weekend goes, the Chiefs are gonna want to try and take advantage of the depleted offensive line in front of them, JZ needs to come up with a game plan that takes advantage of thier willingness to blitz/rush the passer...screens, draw plays, 3 step drops, shotgun...they also need to run the ball consistently to keep KC honest...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Interesting read on Florida University receivers and how they are viewed and fare in the NFL.

NFL coaches on Florida receivers

"Florida receivers come to the NFL prepared and ready to play. They are familiar with a philosophy that we are implementing. We ask our receivers to run precise routes, read and react, block on the edge, and play with toughness. The Florida receivers do just that. We drafted Andre Caldwell in 2008 because we felt he was so well prepared to contribute immediately, which he did for us last season." - Marvin Lewis, Head Coach of the Cincinnati Bengals

"They have a spread offense. They read coverage's. They run routes based on coverage's or the technique of the defender. They have multiple formations and blitz adjustments and all those kinds of things that are common in the National Football League. I think kids that come out of that offense have a good understanding of passing concepts." - Patriots coach Bill Belichick

"One of the things that impressed me the most about my evaluation of Florida receivers is that they run very disciplined routes. They are similar to what we run in the NFL. The wide receivers at Florida are already well versed in an offense that most NFL teams are now using." - Kevin Rogers, Quarterback Coach Minnesota Vikings

"Florida receivers are very fundamental. They are NFL ready and have a great knowledge of offensive concepts that we utilize." - Karl Dorrell, Wide Receiver Coach of the Miami Dolphins

Gator receivers in the NFL fast facts


* Florida is one of two schools nationally to have a WR selected in the last four NFL Drafts.


* There were seven former Florida wide receivers on NFL rosters in 2008, six of them caught a pass during the season.


* Florida leads the nation with six wide receivers drafted in the last four NFL Drafts, while FSU has had just two WR selected (see chart below).

WR Selected in NFL Draft (2006-2009)
Florida 6
LSU 6
Ohio State 6
Southern Cal 3
Florida State 2
Miami 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
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Kinda of strange to me. If they're so great how come you don't hear a bunch of hoopla about how Florida is "Wide-Out U"? Just 'cause you're drafted that doesn't make you good.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

i hope jason reid personally interviewed more than half the roster before droppin the bombshell that

"Many players, who requested anonymity, told me last week they are fed up with Portis, who puts himself ahead of the team, in their opinion, because of his close relationship with the owner. "

This si the most telling quote i've read so far. if this is true then the team really has fallen apart and there is no hope for this season. i thought these guys had each other's backs, but once players start throwing their teammates under the bus (anonymously) there is no cohesion. IMHO Portis should've asked the coaches to put someone in who'll actuall lay someone out and not just screen-block prowbowlers (the safety against CAR was ALL on sellars deciding not to block peppers). I've seen too many runs this year where Sellars come out of the pile after not hitting anything, and portis gets tackled for a minimal gain. People aren't paying to see Mike Sellars lead block. He needs to understand that. Portis is the "Star" running back so Sellars has to do the dirty work.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

4th, JC won't be throwing to anybody. He's going to be running for his life whenever he drops back.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Everybody remembers the famous Seinfeld episode "The Opposite" where Jerry tells George if everything you have ever done has been wrong then doing the opposite would have to be correct.

I recommend that Dan Snyder (another looser) go against his usualy inclinations and do the following:

Snyder should have a press conference immediately and give coach Zorn a vote of confidence and say that he is my coach for the foreseeable future and I fully expect him to fill out the terms of his current contract.

I also recommend that he immediately fire his current right hand man Vinny Cerrato and hire bona fide GM with a proven track record to handle all football matters.

If Snyder doesn not break the mold and radically change the way he does things, we will just keeping repeating the same unsuccessful scenarios over and over again.

Posted by: cannontl | October 13, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I am beginning to think that Snyder and Cerrato have a relationship that goes beyond friendship. Take that as you want, but I just can't see how he sticks with a guy so long who is producing so little, even to the detriment of Snyder's reputation.

This is especially curious when Snyder has demonstrated the willingness to fire people who are not producing, and the desire to land someone he believes can do better.

Just something to ponder.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 13, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Ok guys, I am a 38 year old lifer!!!! This is as bad as it has ever been. Mostly because of the lack of Sr. front office leadership. There should be some dissention between the GM/personnel group. Why? because that group is responsible for setting direction. These are all people that the front office signed off on. Players and coaches. There is a rift on the coaching staff. You did not allow the coach to bring his coaches but, you you want him to succeed? Look at Miami or the Jets last night..They have an organizational identity. What is the Skins? We have half the staff from the 80's and half that have never done it before. Who is responsible? The GM.....or that office/function.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 13, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Larry Johnson = Jamal Anderson

Fo'-hunnit and DONE!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Someone tell Danny that firing Vinny, and bringing in a General Manager and Head Coach who can "buy and cook the groceries" does not mean he and Vinny are no longer friends and can no longer frolick through the tulips together.

-Disgruntled Fan

Posted by: MadeRED | October 13, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Someone tell Danny that firing Vinny, and bringing in a General Manager and Head Coach who can "buy and cook the groceries" does not mean he and Vinny are no longer friends and can no longer frolick through the tulips together.

-Disgruntled Fan

Posted by: MadeRED | October 13, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I had a dream last night that Snyder fired Cerrato. Apart from the one about me and Anne Hathaway nakedly cavorting, it was the best dream I've ever had.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Okay guys, listen... a few years back, at a Halloween party, John Gruden fingered me... I say we get em'!

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 13, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Don't ever drop or lower your Tebow flag, because when Tebow is playing in the UFL, I'm going to jokingly remind you about it."

I am not a Tebow fan.

But dude has beat teams sometimes simply because he has a bigger heart than the next guy.

And where folks may mock UF wide receivers, it's been the gator quarterbacks that have underwhelmed in the NFL recently.

I wouldn't be so quick to hate on Tebow.

I think he's the kind of guy with the will and drive to succeed as a pro or hang around long enough for the league to prove otherwise.

And there are tons of guys doing that.

Just ask Kurt Warner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Probably already been posted but:

Redskins shopping Anthony Montgomery
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 13, 2009 2:47 PM ET
Redskins defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery was displaced in the starting lineup by Albert Haynesworth this offseason, and now might be sent right off the roster.

A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that Montgomery is being shopped in advance of next week's trading deadline.

A starter for 21 games between 2007-2008, Montgomery has not been active this season.

The decision to shop Montgomery comes after the team found out that Philip Daniels will play through a torn biceps, and the team re-signed Renaldo Wynn Monday.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Please refer to these recent facts (in a long line of them) which demonstrate that Vinny and Danny do not have a clue what they are doing.

1. Danny hired Jim Zorn as OC before hiring any head coach...ala Jerry Jones.

2. None of the Good Head Coaches wanted to come into his menage - a - dumbness. So, he elevated the OC to Head Coach. SMH (If the said OC was a candidate for HC - why not hiring him as the HC first, and let him pick his OC)

3. Zorn proceeds to have his opening presser and refer to the Redskins colors as "Maroon, yellow and Black"...WTF??? He didn't even know enough about the teams to have the colors right. In fact, all three were wrong. It's like going to the Yankees and saying, man, I have so much pride and can't wait to lead the Black-Grey and Green. Two colors close, and one isn't even in the picture. Nice.

4. Cerrato said on his show that after being referred to Sherm Lewis, Snyder didn't know who he was??? WTF? How can you not know who he is. I'm 28 years old, and know who he was. And, if I had adopted the West Coast Offense as my teams new offense, I would certainly have come across his name when say, I was researching that offense and the coaching tree. Yet more proof they are clueless.

5. Cerratto didn't know what Lewis was doing for the past 4 years that would make him ready to do this. And, when asked, all this moron could say is "His son is a defensive coordinator" IN COLLEGE.

6. Then Lewis, in classic fashion, proceeds to admit that he's been calling games......BINGO games. Geesh.

7. This is just retardation that has leaked in the past 3 weeks. Thanks Snyder.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 13, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, well probably, Snyder shouldn't have hired Zorn.

But I was in Zorn's corner until Sunday. I thought he was going to be part of the group of new coaches that signaled a new era in the NFL.

The challenge call on the Punt/Fumble on Sunday completely turned me around.

What was he challenging? If he thought it through for 10 seconds, he would have kept the damn red flag in his pocket.

Really, what kind of foul would be called if no one touched the receiver before the ball was muffed?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

To RedDMV:
Mr.Merkin is just a pseudonym. The full pseudonym is Harry Merkin. I like the pun. Hope you get a laugh out of it, too. I'm not even familiar w/ a radio person named Dr. Gabe Mirkin. Does he wear a wig?

Posted by: MrMerkin

For several summers in the late seventies I worked as a free-lance Merkin fitter. Low pay, but a good gig otherwise. I took great pride after closing a sale to ask "Can I show you something in a heart shaped?" and make a second sale. Good times. Good times.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Kinda of strange to me. If they're so great how come you don't hear a bunch of hoopla about how Florida is "Wide-Out U"? Just 'cause you're drafted that doesn't make you good.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy, both Rookies, have both done more in their brief rookie seasons than Our 3 2nd rounders combined.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

4-12.....You own't like this but...

I feel blaming the OLine is the same as me blaming the Media. Seriously.

'O! What in heavens are we going to do? Our OLine sucks. JC17 is gonna get his leg broke. O mercy me. We might as well forfeit to the 0-5 Chiefs since HEyer will be playing despite the fact he was a starting RT as a RUDFA for a playoff team. 2-14. I blame Danny and Vinnie for the OLine! O NOoooo!'

(Done in my Homer Simpson impersanating a female impersonation)

Y'all sound like a bunch of sissies....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If I were JC I'd get 'turf toe' and bow out after KC either that or practice running like hell everyday. The hairs on the back of my neck rise thinking about our o-line against Philly and Giants . . .

To join the 'dead horse gang' - I am a life long fan but my football knowledge is fairly shallow comparetively speaking and I've been standing on the soap box about the o-line for 3 years along with everyone else. If I know it needs fixing then surely the FO needs to know.

How in flingin flangin mofo'in name of all that is holy can Snyder possibly justify keeping Cerrato at this point?
2 drafts = ZERO o-line HOW HOW HOW????

The silver lining? Well we may be capless next year so Snyder can go break the bank on o-line. . . but if Cerrato is making the choices it'll be the Bruce Smtih/Jeff George (shudder)/Steve Spurrier/Trung Canidate equivalent o-line.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Never hating on Tebow, just think he's going to be more Frerotte or Rosenfels than Brady or Manning.

I'm sure he play significantly in the NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

A bad week for the Maroon and Black, eh Burgundy and Gold. Under Zorn our colors should be Mauve and Aqua, or something equally pastel.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

What was he challenging? If he thought it through for 10 seconds, he would have kept the damn red flag in his pocket.

Really, what kind of foul would be called if no one touched the receiver before the ball was muffed?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

While I agree John, and I'm not trying to defend Zorn, I thought he was going to challenge whether the ball hit Westbrook's leg or the Panther who was pancaking Westbrook.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Y'all sound like a bunch of sissies....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

So just for clarification, under a better coach and QB, with the exact same offensive line that will play Sunday, you think we could make the playoffs?

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

4th, two things:

1) Heyer isn't a starting RT. He's just some sort of de facto at tackle. Does nothing but underlines their unwillingness and stubborness to add quality depth among the offensive line. Even before Heyer got here.

b) Shut up.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

So just for clarification, under a better coach and QB, with the exact same offensive line that will play Sunday, you think we could make the playoffs?


Hell to the no!

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This will be the last post on Tebow for me.

Tebow's Qualities:

Heart? Check
Leader? Check
Heisman? Check
National Championship? Check, Check

Only QB in College to throw for 30+ Td's and run for 20+ td's in a single year? Check

Ability to take over a game in the 4th Quarter? Check


At least I have the Gators to get me through the lean years we have all dealt with in regards to the Skins.

I hope he doesnt come here however. Just like I am glad Percy didnt come here.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim, I'll give you 100 to 1 odds the Skins don't change their uniform colors during Zorn's era.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Bama-

Jason Campbell's own words:

"When we lost Chris [Samuels] it changed the whole dynamic of our offense, because there's certain plays we couldn't run....When you don't have that experience there like you did with your starter, it's a tough situation....It's tough. You know, it's definitely tough. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't, but we've got to find some kind of way to get through it and some kind of way to build confidence in whoever is in there. We've got to find some kind of way to stay positive."


From JReid's post above:

"Zorn significantly pared down the offensive game plan against the Panthers because he feared that quarterback Jason Campbell could get hurt playing behind a line that included D'Anthony Batiste at left tackle for Samuels. Several players told me Campbell had time to go through only one progression on passing plays."


And you know me...in no way am I laying the blame on these guys who will be trying their large arses off. It goes squarely at the feet of the 2 men responsible for not addressing the needs of the OLine.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Enough complaining. Send a message to Dan Snyder.

Boycott the game by staying at home on sunday and let your empty seat remind our scientologist triple gold platinum honor guardsman of an owner he needs to delegate full control to a true GM - someone who actually knows WTF he's doing.

This team will wallow in mediocrity (sometimes worse, like now, rarely better) until that happens.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

First off, I fully understand that being employed at a very high level of any business is exceedingly stressful and difficult, probably no business more so than the NFL and no position more so than Head Coach of an NFL team. Jobs at that level are not for the faint of heart or thin-skinned. Criticism from fans, lower-level employees, shareholders, pundits, etc. comes with the prestige and wealth of the big chair.

That said, it must be REALLY hard for Jim Zorn right now. He's dead man walking, his boss is a turd of epic proportion, and he has not been adequately supported by Cerrato, whose job it is to bring in great and appropriate talent. To be sure, Zorn is in over his head as his well-discussed gaffes indicate, and I'm not defending him or his actions in the job. Nor am I even remotely suggesting that even if he had a great offensive line and even if the Redskins had drafted three guards instead of three useless receivers last season and even if his star running back wasn't such a duplicitous jerk would Zorn suddenly be the second-coming of Joe Gibbs. He wouldn't be, nor was he destined ever to be. He was nothing more than a seat warmer for the celebrity coach Snyder couldn't find in 2008 and will move Heaven and Earth to find in 2010.

I'm just saying that he's a good man and I really hope he finds his early retirement to be peaceful and much more amenable to his personality than his current job and employer provide.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I was pissed that Emmitt went to the Cowgirls for the longest time.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Since we are the Titanic I'm going to do my own deck chair rearranging.

I think we should redesign unis and helmets. I continue to vote for the spear helmet from 70's I really dig it and it can be upgraded to be more 21st century - graphics peeps get on that.

I think we should have black unis with side piping of burgundy and gold a la Broncos unis to join burgundy unis.

White on white should be banned.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So, what handle does Riggo use to post here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 13, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Back to the skins.....

Has there been an update on Samuels injury?
Is it more serious than they thought. If he is out the rest of the year, we are in for a rough ride. Campbell might get killed by game 8.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Enough complaining. Send a message to Dan Snyder.

Boycott the game by staying at home on sunday and let your empty seat remind our scientologist triple gold platinum honor guardsman of an owner he needs to delegate full control to a true GM - someone who actually knows WTF he's doing.

This team will wallow in mediocrity (sometimes worse, like now, rarely better) until that happens.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse
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Done... anyone want to buy some Chief tickets?

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the spear-helmet design because it gives me nauseous flashbacks to several games from the Spurrier error.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that despite reports linking Jon Gruden to the Washington Redskins, the team is looking at none other than Steve Spurrier as their next HC. Apparently in recent years Spurrier and Snyder have mended fences, Steve admitting that he was in over his head, and vowing if given a 2nd chance he'd absolutely be more focused, and have a greater impact on the whole team, and not just the offensive players. Spurrier is anxious to prove his doubters wrong, regarding his ability to coach at the professional level"

I give up....you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

4-12

When I heard JC's scomments and he said the same thing on LaVar's show, I personally thought he was speaking from a defeatist attitude.

As well as Zorn. They're basically saying they can't do SJK on offense because of the OLine.

Well, if that's the case why should even one fan show up to any game? How will the offense score one more point? Are we going to depend on DHall and Hayneworth to do all of our scoring??

Do you guys really know what you/JC/Zorn are saying?

Y'all are saying that we will be 2-14 and don't bother to watch the offense. So why bother to show up at the game?

Is any of this getting through yuo guys? HAs the blog and JReid and JC17 taken on the attitude of Jim Zorn?

It appears so......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Done... anyone want to buy some Chief tickets?

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Only if they are Charlestown Chiefs tickets and the Hanson brothers are still on the team.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Samuels will force himself back to the field and play hurt and then something will take him out for the season and his career.
Given the sorry state of affairs I wish he takes care of himself and gets healthy even if it is only to retire.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Snyder is that just when we're fed up, he'll roll out some shiny new objects (Sam Bradford + Mike Holmgren, for example), and we'll all come crawling back in the anticipation that something has changed.

Nothing will have changed.

What this franchise needs to do is hire a great, boring, up and coming coach (like Sparano or Rex Ryan) and a veteran GM who together build the team with boring, beefy players from the inside out. And, in the process, rebuilds the trust with the franchise's fans that the team will put a quality, admirable product on the field, instead of a poor-to-mediocre, flashy product.

Remember the ol' days? Guys like Donnie Warren and Mark May and Mark Schlereth? Big, beefy guys who the fans ADORED. And who opened holes for retread running backs and gave poor-to-mediocre statuesque quarterbacks with limited mobility, limited field vision, and superior arm strength the time to throw and find ordinary-to-great receivers and backs.

All of us as fans know this. Why doesn't Snyder? It boggles my mind.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Y'all are saying that we will be 2-14 and don't bother to watch the offense. So why bother to show up at the game?


Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Umm...good question?

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I give up....you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I heard Snyder was thinking of signing Tom Cruise to the football team. Apparently after a viewing of "All the Right Moves", Snyder and Cerrato are convinced Tom Cruise is just the spark the Skins need to succeed.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying Portis is part of the problem for the now 3rd year in a row.

He cant be bothered to practice.
Hell, he cant even be bothered to speak like a human being.
He's a diva.
He doesn't ever cut. He makes the wrong cuts.
He goes down with the first tackle, or heads to the sidelines.

He's Shaun Alexander and TO combined.
Moss and his stupid 1st down schtick can go, too.

You all see what Singletary got a Bly to do?
No way that happens around here.

I cannot wait, I hope Campbell plays successfully somewhere else and beats the Skins every time they play.

Posted by: kreator6996 | October 13, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I am with P Diddy! P Diddy for GM!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If all the problems certer around the O-Line which the Front Office failed to address in the off-season...how can Zorn be scapegoated for all the problems?

Its like Da Vinci to paint the Mona Lisa, but instead of paintbrushes, he must use twizzlers instead.

Keep Zorn, find some lineman

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

4th - I want to be positive. Give me something positive to focus on . . . anything will do at this point but we are about to enter the beast part of our schedule and I don't see any players stepping up. N-O-N-E
Who are the leaders of this team? Are they pulling in players and having team only meetings and calling guys out and saying get your head on straight, find your pride, grab your cojones and get out there and play like it means something!?
I just don't see it.

I wanna believe so please help me.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh and dump Portis too!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if anyone of Snyder's lackies bothers to read the comments on RI. As a "marketing genius" I would assume he would take measures to take the pulse of the fan base and at least listen to their concerns even though he has no plans to change his operating procedure.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 13, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Its like Da Vinci to paint the Mona Lisa, but instead of paintbrushes, he must use twizzlers instead."

I disagree. Da Vinci would still paint a masterpiece with twizzlers, it might not look like the Mona Lisa, but it would hang in the Louvre just the same.

To this point I agree somewhat with 4th, a creative, capable and inspiring coach can make a tasty meatloaf from the shank cut.

The Skins problem(s) are a severe lack of talent/ability in management/leadership/coaching. Are we super talented player wise....certainly not....but there is enough there to at least not look retarted. Which is what we do now.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Remember the ol' days? Guys like Donnie Warren and Mark May and Mark Schlereth? Big, beefy guys who the fans ADORED. And who opened holes for retread running backs and gave poor-to-mediocre statuesque quarterbacks with limited mobility, limited field vision, and superior arm strength the time to throw and find ordinary-to-great receivers and backs.

All of us as fans know this. Why doesn't Snyder? It boggles my mind.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 4:32 PM

Seriously. You'd think a guy who grew up a skins fan watching those great Gibbs teams would get it.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Believing in this franchise this season is a waste of time.

There are so many stellar story lines in the NFL. Just pick your favorite: Sparano and Dan Henning's gutsy play calling, Brett Favre, Mark Sanchez turning into Dan Marino right before our eyes, Peyton Manning quickly cementing his status as the greatest quarterback in the history of the game, (cough, cough) the Giants quietly paving over the entire League, Drew Brees entering the elite cadre of NFL players as Gregg Williams builds yet another stellar no-name defense, etc.

The NFL is awesome this season. Just awesome.

That the Redskins are (once again) left out is no longer of concern to me. Who bothers to follow the Browns, Raiders, Lions, or Rams? Browns vs. Bills this weekend was a total "skip it" game. I understand that many of us are at that age where we look at the Redskins uniform and think "Gibbs, The Posse, Riggo, The Hogs, The National Defense, etc." That was our childhood. Our adulthood is "Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato". 'Nuff said.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

All of us as fans know this. Why doesn't Snyder? It boggles my mind.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

____________________

Yeah, it's especially baffling when you consider Snyder should know this and be real familiar with it. He grew up watching and cheering for the same winning teams we did.

Granted, Jack Kent Cooke spent loads of money on players... but he had the right people in place and he just signed checks for the most part.

Snyder thinks he's Cooke and Beathard roled into one.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Deck chairs part deux

I think Jeff Fisher may be in his last season with Tenn so let's add him to super star coach list.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Diddy- Taking your comments one step farther [further/farther...all these years later, still a mental block], Snyder was a fan of those great teams when he was growing up.
How does he not remember it started with a great GM, who found a young, up and coming coach, and built a team from the inside out? How does he not remember that JKC didn't insert himself into the decision making process?
Ugh.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Doesnt make any sense to fire the coach mid-year. The O line and all personnel will stay the same.

It seems the players (in large part) are with him. What would a Shanahan or Holmgren do different that Zorn is not doing.

If Zorn wants to cement his place, the first thing he has to deal with is Portis. Sit him down, and if he complains, fine him or suspend him. Sends a clear message that He runs the show.

If everyone thinks he is going to be fired anyway, what does he have to lose...except 3 yards a carry

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Lewis
John Gruden
Mike Holmgren
Jeff Fisher

BINGO!!

The Saints are absolutely my second team this year - Brees is unbelievable and Payton now there's an HC. Of course they do have the perernnial season end problems but eh not like I'm coming from a happy place.
I'm also thrilled that the Cowpaddies are struggling of course. . . winning here and there but struggling.

And if Gints keep it rolling well I'll tip my cap to them. Quiet and deadly.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

HOG's era begins 1982
Redskins appear in 1983, 84, 88 & 92 SuperBowls.
When in the next HOG's era?
Best Redskins trade ever... Jay Schroeder for Jim Lachey?

Posted by: mmmhmmm | October 13, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

How does he not remember it started with a great GM, who found a young, up and coming coach, and built a team from the inside out? How does he not remember that JKC didn't insert himself into the decision making process?
Ugh.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse


Or how does he not see that 33 miles away, there is some purple team with a real bona fide GM, with complete automony, consistently at or near the top of the league EVERY YEAR.

My neighboor works for Steve Biscotti. He's been to the owner's box and said Biscotti told him he's 100% hands off.

Ozzie Newsome was told only one thing: when you make a trade or deal, I only ask you tell me first.

NOT ask for my input or approval, just tell me first. Must be nice....

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

To CheyenneWY:
You write: "If Zorn wants to cement his place, the first thing he has to deal with is Portis. Sit him down, and if he complains, fine him or suspend him."
Zorn can't. Portis is Snyder's pet. Portis can do whatever he wants b/c Snyder lets him. That's one of the many problems Zorn faces: Snyder meddles and undermines Zorn.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 13, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The Bright Side:

Defense getting sacks and turnovers. But because we are losing, the consistent thing JLaC harped (pass rush/sacks/TOs) on during his time and JReid picked up and ran with through the preseason goes unnoticed now.


Unfortunetly sfskin, the reality is, I see no one with a winning attitude on offense. JC17 and Jim Zorn are throwing excuses out like it's a free food line for the homeless and everyone is getting fat off of it. And if we happen to lose, no matter what the score, they're gonna be like, 'See, we told you our OLine sucks'. That's what they said last week after putting up 17 points and could've/would've/should've won with that.

(But it was coaching that lost that game due to liberal use of 2nd half time outs, going for it on 4th down when we had the lead, and the ST gaffe by Westbrook. If you have a 'weak' OLiine you have to make all the right coaching moves to combat that)

CP has to battle Media reports that seep into the locker room. According to Portis, he practiced all week last week. No one noticed that CP wasn't practicing when we were going 6-2 and he was going over 150 5 weeks straight.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The most we have lost by all year is six points. 14 points all together over the 3 losses.

Lions--bad Pass interference call that gave the Lions first and ten on the goal line

Carolina--Fluke punt that gave them a VERY short field

Giants--they beat everybody

Not to say that there arent defintie problems throughought the entire organization. But the idea that the team has to be destroyed and rebuilt is ridiculuos. Its the same thing every two or three years. One bad season and change everything.

Thats what makes us the laughling stock. We are going to lose games...the issue is that at the first sign of trouble we cahnge everything. We are one or two lineman away from being pretty good.

With more pass protection...JC17 would have time to go through his reads and make better decisions.

PATIENCE!!!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Thats my point about Zorn Vs. Portis...

Everyone thinks he is gone anyway, so what does he have to lose by dealing with Portis. It doesnt have to be anything negative. Institute a rule that if you miss more than ione practice through the week you will be inactive.

No way Snyder can complain about that.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Defense getting sacks and turnovers. But because we are losing, the consistent thing JLaC harped (pass rush/sacks/TOs) on during his time and JReid picked up and ran with through the preseason goes unnoticed now."

Yeah that will happen when you lose to siht teams, it sorta becomes the story.....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

That's what I thought, but then I read today that he KNEW the ball hit Westbrook's leg, so ...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice analysis JR. While I agree that the punt muff was a huge turning point, certainly Rogers failing to tackle Delhomme on 3rd down sealed the victory for the Panthers. Even Jake was surprised that he wasn't stopped!

The mental errors on the field on both side of the ball point to poor coaching.

Posted by: MississippiSkinsFan | October 13, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

According to Portis, he practiced all week last week. No one noticed that CP wasn't practicing when we were going 6-2 and he was going over 150 5 weeks straight.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

4th...you ever heard of the expression: the inmates don't run the asylum.

Portis shouldn't be allowed to dictate if/when he practices, that's bullshti.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The most we have lost by all year is six points. 14 points all together over the 3 losses.

Lions--bad Pass interference call that gave the Lions first and ten on the goal line

Carolina--Fluke punt that gave them a VERY short field

Giants--they beat everybody

Not to say that there arent defintie problems throughought the entire organization. But the idea that the team has to be destroyed and rebuilt is ridiculuos. Its the same thing every two or three years. One bad season and change everything.

Thats what makes us the laughling stock. We are going to lose games...the issue is that at the first sign of trouble we cahnge everything. We are one or two lineman away from being pretty good.

With more pass protection...JC17 would have time to go through his reads and make better decisions.

PATIENCE!!!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

They have won 2 games by a total of 5 pts.

They could just as easily be 0-5 against terrible(except for the giants) opponents.

They beat the Rams by 2, every other team that has played the Rams has won by 20+.

Patience is fine if you see development, the team under Zorn has gotten worse not better.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It stinks you gotta watch other teams to see good football... I'll be watching Ravens/Vikings on Sunday at 1:00.

I refuse to watch this team as long as Cerrato is the GM. I just wish all interviewed coaches this off season would do the same (refuse to work under Vinnie), but some bum will accept the job & take Danny's money.

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to agree that it is time for a younth movement in Washington and in large part it has already begun.

It takes time, love, and tenderness.

EDITORS NOTE: Just saw a guy with a pretty good Skullett walk by a minute ago, hence the Mchael Bloton reference

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The Saints are absolutely my second team this year - Brees is unbelievable and Payton now there's an HC. Of course they do have the perernnial season end problems but eh not like I'm coming from a happy place.
I'm also thrilled that the Cowpaddies are struggling of course. . . winning here and there but struggling.

And if Gints keep it rolling well I'll tip my cap to them. Quiet and deadly.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:50 PM

Along with the Saints I kind of like what Cincy's been doing despite that fluky first game loss. I loved that win in Baltimore last week when they were playing for their D-coordinator whose wife passed away.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

So....London Fletcher went about 3 straight weeks late in last season w/o practicing due to a foot injury...Should he not be running the defensive asylum?

I know nothing of NFL type practices, but I want to know what the negative affect would be in not practicing, even though you are they're everyday for every meeting and every walk through and you still produce? Plaxco did the same thing, but they won the SB, so they talk about his courgeousness, Portis gets hated on (as reported by the Media itself 4-12) because he didn't practice. I think JReid is just hatin on the money........

But, IMHO, this is a Last Year issue so will leave it alone.

When you speak of good things, good things come. Story of my life. BOOKED.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could have patience and yes I think the defense is doing a solid job by and large but everyone who has already said it is right.
A solid job doesn't make up for critical mistakes/fluke plays - Hall, punt etc.

We've played like SJK against the SJKiest teams in the league and we've split with them and our wins were as ugly as they could get.

And where is the heart?? We have an insanely loyal fan base one of the best in the NFL or maybe worst in terms of loyalty. The players and the organization simply don't seem to match our intensity with theirs. Individually some do like Cooley or Moss but as a collective? I don't see it.
When we first started to slip back in mid-90s we still had guys like Coleman, Harvey, Green who you could literally feel their intensity through the TV screen.
My one and only game at RFK was a throw away against Atlanta. We didn't have a chance for the post season but we won and Coleman had 5 sacks and you could feel the intensity. We weren't a good team but the players played.
On paper we are a good team now and yet we lay an egg week after week after week even in wins.

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It might be a bit much to ask fans who have paid triple digits for tickets not to use those tickets at FedEx field. There are other things, though, fans can do to hit The Dan’s pocketbook:
1) Do not buy anything w/ a Redskins logo on it. The Dan gets a piece of each purchase. Wear all the generic burgundy and gold clothing you want. Just don’t buy official Redskins items.
2) If you attend FedEx field, don’t buy any food, souvenirs, or other concessions.
3) Do not watch on TV or listen on radio to any of the several programs/stations owned by Snyder’s Redskins Broadcast Network. If ratings go down, The Dan’s ad revenue goes down.
Above all, remember: you’re boycotting Snyder, not the Washington Redskins. Stay loyal to the players and coaches and to the traditions of the burgundy and gold.


Posted by: MrMerkin | October 13, 2009 3:07 PM

Mr. Merkin, can I call you Mr. Pubic Wig?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

here's what happened: Portis one of the top 30 all time leading rushers in NFL history called out his teammate 35 year old FB.

Heres what I think: Portis is 100% correct, he gave his opinion to his coaches. Didn't you watch the play that resulted in a safety there Mr Mayor? Sellars ran past at least 3 Panthers, Portis got killed on our end zone the whistle blew and Sellars still hadn't found anyone to hit. Then he as offsides on a punt. I re-watched the TB game and focused on Sellars, he's missing WAY too many blocks to be a 35 yo starting FB.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

A priest, a rabbi, a minister and an imam walk into a bar.

Over the bar is a tv with a football game on. They stop in front of the bar and see that it's the Redskins playing the Chiefs.

The priest says, "Man, the Skins suck"
"Totally," says the rabbi
"What ever happened to those guys, they used to be good," says the minister.
"Let's get the hell out of here and find a bar where they have the Saints game on," says the imam.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 13, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

4th...you're a tart.

Are you really comparing London Fletcher to Portis?

Fletcher is not only a true leader, but a baller pure and simple. He plays his arz off every game and never asks for a break or pulls himself out of the game.

Reid is hatin on Portis' money? Really? You think Reid didn't know he wouldn't make shti as a beat writer? Please stop....you better than that.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:

Clinton Portis' episode of MTV Cribs sucked.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

given the state of our offense why would anyone want to wear down Portis in practice or pre season?

Because you don't LIKE him? Well he's a consistent 1000+ yard runner, and who are you again? 2nd string jason la confora, that's who!

Byaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

So did Westbrook not know that ARE had signaled for a fair catch?

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 3:21 PM

He was too busy getting owned [or is pwned? and why the 'p' for the 'o'...I missed internets school the day they taught that one] by the guy he was trying to block, so my guess is he didn't know.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 3:43 PM

My understanding of this here rule (such as) is that, once ARE signaled for the fair catch, no Skin should have been blocking anybody, pwnership or not. Fair catch means get away (unless you're ARE, in which case, say there and catch it).

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

4-12.....You own't like this but...

I feel blaming the OLine is the same as me blaming the Media. Seriously.

'O! What in heavens are we going to do? Our OLine sucks. JC17 is gonna get his leg broke. O mercy me. We might as well forfeit to the 0-5 Chiefs since HEyer will be playing despite the fact he was a starting RT as a RUDFA for a playoff team. 2-14. I blame Danny and Vinnie for the OLine! O NOoooo!'

(Done in my Homer Simpson impersanating a female impersonation)

Y'all sound like a bunch of sissies....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

----------------------

...and you sound divorced from reality.

You can't do diddly-s@&t with this offensive line - I don't care who coaches it, or what sorry sap QB is running for his life behind it, or what soon-to-be -battered-running back is getting clobbered in his own endzone again because of it.

They stink, and before anything else can work, they have to be functional.

They are NOT functional. So, nothing else will work.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 13, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Put Lorenzo back on offense! Put him in at blocking back, just tell him to level the first opponent that he sees. That would be a welcome change from Mike "The Matador" Sellers. Or put him at blocking Tight end and Cooley out on routes.. Duh

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

given the state of our offense why would anyone want to wear down Portis in practice or pre season?

Because you don't LIKE him? Well he's a consistent 1000+ yard runner, and who are you again? 2nd string jason la confora, that's who!

Byaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:22 PM

And what does that make you? the guy who is posting on the 2nd string La Canfora's blog.

byaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahhahaha

Oh snap.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

regarding Westbrook either get away or block that is what he gets paid to do. He stood there and literally got picked up and slammed into our 2nd all time punt return leader. If he gets out of the way or holds his ground we win.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

4th - I want to be positive. Give me something positive to focus on . . . anything will do at this point ...

Posted by: sfskin | October 13, 2009 4:38 PM

The first 49 minutes and 21 seconds of the game.

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think 4th understands the phrase "Book it!"

Posted by: mack1 | October 13, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

That the Redskins are (once again) left out is no longer of concern to me. Who bothers to follow the Browns, Raiders, Lions, or Rams? Browns vs. Bills this weekend was a total "skip it" game. I understand that many of us are at that age where we look at the Redskins uniform and think "Gibbs, The Posse, Riggo, The Hogs, The National Defense, etc." That was our childhood. Our adulthood is "Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato". 'Nuff said.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, some of us just can't switch it off as easily as you apparently can.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 13, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Put Lorenzo back on offense! Put him in at blocking back, just tell him to level the first opponent that he sees. That would be a welcome change from Mike "The Matador" Sellers. Or put him at blocking Tight end and Cooley out on routes.. Duh

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 5:24 PM

This works for me ... or just make him the Skins' Vrabel in the red zone.

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened. We lost to another unvictorious team.

Here's what I think. Dan Snyder likes being tea bagged by gorillas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened: Dan Snyder is an owner who shouldn't be an owner. Vinny is a wanna be GM is shouldn't be a GM. Zorn is a head coach who shouldn't be a head coach. Campbell is a starting QB who shouldn't be a starter. Orakpo is a part-time LB who should be a full time DE. MK is a starting WR who shouldn't be a starter. CP is a starting RB who shouldn't be a starter. Heyer is a starting RG who shouldn't be a starter. MM & Running back AA with 4.3 speed is on permanent inactive status and should be playing.
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Here's what I think: The skins are an incompentent organization from the owner to the head coach

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.fanexodus.com/


Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

then poopy what r u? Your commenting on my comment on the 2 be string jLaC? Whats a matter you can't come up with any insight on your own? Awwwww that's sad

ByaaaaAaaaaaaaa

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

regarding Westbrook either get away or block that is what he gets paid to do. He stood there and literally got picked up and slammed into our 2nd all time punt return leader. If he gets out of the way or holds his ground we win.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Skins all time Punt Returner's:

1-B Mitch
2-Mike Nelms
3-Rickie Davis
4-ARE

Get your facts straight Summer's Eve.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

how many losses do you get when you lose to a winless team? 1, not understanding the significance

Last year did we get credit for beating the Cards, Saints, and Eagles twice? Or were we mediocre?

I'm for zoAx at FB, just tell him to the opposite of Sellars (hit someone from the other team, or even hit one ofbour guys in the back hit something)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Put Lorenzo back on offense! Put him in at blocking back, just tell him to level the first opponent that he sees. That would be a welcome change from Mike "The Matador" Sellers. Or put him at blocking Tight end and Cooley out on routes.. Duh

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 5:24 PM

FB? Hell, can he play tackle or guard?

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

hi my name is pabrian and i'm so delusional that i think everything is a-okay in Redskins World. I'll continue to fork over my pokerstars.net winnings to Danny because i love him and his taint.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I know many of you think Zorn is not a very good coach. Whether he is capable of being a good coach we may never know.

It really outrages me that Snyder seems to be letting him take the fall for this, when his management of this team is largely responsible for what is going on.

If he was going to hire a guy without OC and HC experience, he ought to have a little patience and respect for his choice and not allow such speculation for his replacement and not fully give him a chance with a team that has a much less than average offensive line.

How this ends up may determine whether I can remain a Redskin fan.

Posted by: cannontl | October 13, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ksquare, 4th best alltime, you get the point tough guy?
nice insight genius, where does Westbrook rank amongst players who barely mad a roster, in front of mason and alridge?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Put Lorenzo back on offense! Put him in at blocking back, just tell him to level the first opponent that he sees. That would be a welcome change from Mike "The Matador" Sellers. Or put him at blocking Tight end and Cooley out on routes.. Duh

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 5:24 PM

Can't we just sick him on Snyderrato and have him beat the piss out of them?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

hi my name is poopy mcPoop? Really? I blame Portis for Vinny not drafting lineman I have no insight so I insult others for theirs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What point Massengill? ARE has a 7.2 average per return. That fact, while pitiful, still ranks him 4th all time.....so what?

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

That MNF game was amazing....its so fun watching the NFL. I wish the kins were in the NFL...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:05 AM |

It was more than amazing. It were Joe Gibbs smashmouth FB straight out of the 3 SB wins glory years. You must have been Dane bred not to notice. Power running, road grader OL, proficient passing. Joe's old wingman, Dan Henning, the Phins OC, dialing up a simply perfect game plan and making maestro in-game play calls. This was Gibbs 1.0 at its most best. The O punishing the opponect's D to the point where they were practically begging for mercy. And don't you love how it was Parcells channeling Gibbs, Parcells the old Gibbs nemesis for Chrissake. By the end of the game you could tell by the look on Rex Ryan's face that he was in a state of shock. His prize pet defense had been shredded, cut to ribbons. He was so shell shocked that he forgot to use his timeouts at the end so that his O could have had over a minute of to time to try to score instead of the 3 sec it did have. The complete opposite of our own genius HC who frittered away his timeouts early on. And somewhere Gibbs was watching the game with a big smile on his face. At some point he probably cued up Sprinsteen's "Glory Days" on his sound system, don't you think?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

ksquare, ARE isn't even that high...

* fifth all time in Skins' punt return yardage (behind Mitch, Nelms, Eddie Brown, Rickie Harris)

* tied for sixth all time in punt return TDs

* seventy-fourth all time in average punt return yards

* yes, ARE is fourth all time in number of punt returns (behind Mitch, Nelms and Harris) doesn't impress me that much

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/career-returns.htm

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's what Happened: From the 3 yard line Zorn calls a stretch run to the right. Lead blocker Mike Sellers waves at Julius Peppers and kind of strolls out to the right, blocking no one. Result - Portis tackled in the end zone for a safety and momentum changing play.
Here's what I think: Sellers should be shown his place on the bench, where he can clear his head and count his millions. Put someone in to block that is hungry. My suggestion - Lorenzo Alexander, he doesn't need to know the plays, just tell him to hit SOMEBODY!!!
Here's What Happened: Panthers roll out Delhomme to get the 1st down and ice the game. DeAngelo Hall attempts a "tackle" and gets drug 6 yards by a QB. Game Over.
What I Think: While Hall has good hands and can change a game with interceptions, he is a lousy tackler, DB coaches should wear his azz out on the tackling dummy this week.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

hi i'm pabrian and like bob saget in half-baked, i actually do suck d!ck for coke.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate. I do give ARE credit though, he knew his talent was limited. Yet someome was convinced he was worth 30 million.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

While were on the topic of "I told you so" dribbles ... YES, it was great to see D. Hall with a pick, but can I PLEASE now get some confirmation that he takes plays off? Carlos Rogers may be lacking in the pick category, but his YAC is WAY low (and Delhomme's first down would never have happened).

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

At least the Skins haven't lost like this. Yet.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1001233

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that the caps havent won a game ever since some of the players went to the skins-bucs game???
Not only are we bad, but we are cursing the only good team in this town...terrible...

Posted by: kickass10101 | October 13, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Put Lorenzo back on offense! Put him in at blocking back, just tell him to level the first opponent that he sees. That would be a welcome change from Mike "The Matador" Sellers. Or put him at blocking Tight end and Cooley out on routes.. Duh

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 5:24 PM

FB? Hell, can he play tackle or guard?

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 5:39 PM

When Alexander came here as a free agent, he was a guard.

Also, more from the "I told you so" category, does nobody remember Sellers getting knocked out cold last year? Some concussions are worse than others ... losing consciousness is worse than not losing consciousness. It does have an effect on reflex and response time.

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Might as well re-sign Zorn and Campbell for the duration of Snyder's ownership. NOTHING is going to change while that man is in charge. Coach won't matter. QB won't matter.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 13, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Just as a PS to my previous post. Those of you who think Sherman Lewis is too old and senile to be an OC, I would remind you that Lewis is the same age as Dan Henning, the Phins OC, who planned and called an absolutely perfect game against the Jets last night on MNF.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

yeah well the Phins have Bill Parcells running things.

We, on the other hand, have IMDB-star Vinny Cerrato, who starrted as Police Sergeant Antonelli in the super-hit movie "Kindergarten Ninja" back in 1994

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

As an aside to the whole, silly 'Blame the Media' argument...yes, the questioning can be difficult. And a pain in the tush to deal with.
But as far as pressure cookers go, if these guys think it's tough here, they should go play like doodie for a New York team, and see how the 'Damn Media' treats them up there. This is nothing.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Also, more from the "I told you so" category, does nobody remember Sellers getting knocked out cold last year? Some concussions are worse than others ... losing consciousness is worse than not losing consciousness. It does have an effect on reflex and response time.

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2009 6:01 PM

It appears his reflexes and response time slowed considerably as soon as he signed his big $$$ extension a few weeks ago.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Is there a coach out there that can turn this thing around this year?

And if so how...please be specific.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Does God count as a coach?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

thank you vegasJim for reiterating my comment about Sellars NOT hitting anything on crucial plays

everyone jumps on Portis like a bunch of poopy mcPoop Snyder clones

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Id like to see JC17 run a little more. He is pretty mobile and can get into open space from time to time. With collapsing pockets all around him...if he makes a couple of runs, it might slow down the rush a bit.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 13, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian2003, Hopefully the "extra set of eyes" was looking at Sellers.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:

The Skins came into the season with a shakey O Line with zero depth at ANY of the positions. Now, 5 games in, they've lost their 2 best O Lineman.

Here's what I think:

It's a lot sexier to draft 3 receivers and a punter than to waste picks on O Lineman that don't sell jerseys anyway. If only we could have landed Mark Sanchez. Or Jay Cutler. Either one would make a heck of a lead blocker or personal protector for Campbell.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:

The Skins screwed the pooch.

Here's what I think:

Wildcat.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

j reid, your personal attacks on portis are pathetic--the dude has more heart in his pinky than you have in your fat head. how the f do you know if portis is practicing when no media get to check it. portis practiced all week and that didn't stop sellers from going sissy on the goal line. at least portis cares about winning and wants players on the field with him that will contribute. what good is a blocking fullback that doesn't hit anyone. plus that sh!t in the locker room is a non-issue, this ain't the Hills.

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 13, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:

I threw an unopened Budweiser long neck through my flat screen TV last weekend during the fourth quarter of the Skins-Carolina game

Here's what I think:

It fukcing SUKCS!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:

I threw an unopened Budweiser long neck through my flat screen TV last weekend during the fourth quarter of the Skins-Carolina game

Here's what I think:

It fukcing SUKCS!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse
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May I recommend the beer cozy... bounces off TV's & doesn't go through them.

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

next time.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:

People who can't control their anger shouldn't take the risk of buying nice things.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

From Matt Mosely's NFC East blog, commenting on the Redskins' rank of 24th in ESPN's power rankings this week:

"Don't let that 2-3 record fool you, Skins fans. They've played one of the weakest schedules available -- and they've manged two wins. This is a really, really bad football team right now with major injury issues and turmoil in the locker room."

Of course, still waiting for Barno1 or pabrian2003 to argue that the Redskins are just as good as the Dolphins, who also have a 2-3 record. Looking forward to that one!

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

nice Mohawk 44, LOL big fat head, LOL

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Redskins hire Gordon Ramsay to turn up the heat in "Hell's Locker room"

Fresh off announcing the latest Survivor Spinoff auditioning Quarterbacks who will stand behind and try to escape the results of the Most Offensive Line in the NFL, FOX has inked a deal to go into the Washington Redskins' locker room with host Gordon Ramsay of "Hell's Kitchen" and "Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare" fame.

Famous for his explicit language (often beeped out) and aggressive, no holds comments, Ramsay will be present in the locker room at half time to provide clear and concise feedback and necessary butt chewing for a team that appears headed nowhere for the playoffs.

"I don't think there is that much difference between this bunch of Yutz (Redskins) and the Fools I have on "Hell's Kitchen," noted Ramsay. "I've had plenty of Clinton Portis's in my kitchen and few of them ever can handle the heat. I wouldn't be surprised to see him off whining for his Momma on my first half-time tirade."

Asked what he thinks of the Redskins 2nd round misfits, Ramsay noted, "They can't run, they can't think, and they can't catch. I'm not sure if they are even good enough to be decoys. At least decoys have a purpose and are good at doing it."

The offensive line has taken a significant hit with injuries, but Ramsay noted further - "This group was held together with bailing wire, duct tape, and a prayer. You see what happens when the prayer fails to do its job. What's left couldn't block a boozing, blind, bed ridden grandmother from her drink."

Perhaps the greatest words of sincerity were shed upon the ownership and managers of the Redskins. Ramsay extolled, "I've seen these type of guys in my business - they stand with their arms folded with their heads up their (bleep) and wonder why their restaurant is dirty, unprofitable, and filled with idiots. To them it is easier to look like a Huge Dwarf by hiring Yutzes than it would be to stand like a man and hire someone who might challenge them. I'm also quite certain that Snyder, Cerrato, and any of the idiots in between them have any Bollocks. They're all sissies - hiring the weak so that they look like big men. They're simply flies just waiting to be swatted. And flies live on piles of (bleep).

Posted by: laserwizard | October 13, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

It's a lot sexier to draft 3 receivers and a punter than to waste picks on O Lineman that don't sell jerseys anyway. If only we could have landed Mark Sanchez. Or Jay Cutler. Either one would make a heck of a lead blocker or personal protector for Campbell.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009

Been saying that for a while now ... admittedly you have said it better ... :) Both Schroeder and Rypien were journeyman / backup QB's without the storied hogs. To say that Campbell is a better QB than they could ever hope to be is probably pretty accurate. Portis is a good enough back even with all the carries behind such a line. There are so many wide receivers 1 or more would step up if they saw that the team was going to score with them or without them.

Hopefully Danny or someone will turn a deaf ear during the upcoming draft to "beast lovers" and guys like Moe who think drafting a really fast clone of sproles (who isn't that great really) and DRAFT left tackles / guards with some centers sprinkled in.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Browns looking to move Brady Quinn before deadline. Should the Skins make a move now for a young QB with tons of potential?

Posted by: leevi98 | October 13, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Riggins opens up can'o whup azz on cerrato/zorn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT..BOYCOTT...BOYCOTT!!! Snyder could care less about the fans, give it back to him. Maybe that will bring down the "Legion Of Idiocy" that runs this team. Move Lorenzo Alexander to fullback since Sellers has forgot how to block. Or, move him to o-line since the cupboards bare there.

Posted by: skinhead62 | October 13, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"when asked whether the team should be addressing its line needs in the draft, Zorn said: "Yeah, yeah, sometimes you have to do that."

but not anytime soon, ok? i mean just because last year's evaluation said we needed help, and just because this year's O-line has gone from fragile to pitiful, doesn't mean we can't wait another year or three, see?
because i'm willing to bet, without even looking, that there are at least 3 LB's, a couple receivers, and a tight end that Snyderatto would much rather draft than a stinkin' lineman.
i mean, what the f do linemen do anyway? they just stand there and block, am i right?
boooooooooooooooring....


Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 13, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

kSquare, I will explain my point since you refuse to get it, I assume you could figure it out. Randle el is a reliable veteran. Westbrook is not.

Look at the punt blocking. There is either a seam or there isn't, you can make 1 guy miss, maybe 2 that's it.

Do you want a guy dancing around like Jason Taylor back there?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Vinny the village idiot says;" you cannot draft according to need, you have to Take the best player available". This explains why skins have no o-lineman & receivers who could'nt catch a cold.

Posted by: skinhead62 | October 13, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Hi hit here, we're 2-3 (2-0 at home) Sunday we got the chiefs in DC

Can you Argue with that?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok I never post here, but my frustration is way too high.

I have been a Skins fan since I was 5 years old... when I guy named Jack Pardee was coach, 31 years ago. I have lived to see:

- RFK Stadium rocking with chant We want the Cowboys in an NFC Divisional Playoff Game
- John Riggins smash mouthing a 4th and 1 for a 43 yrd touchdown run and everlasting joy... a champions parade and a Lombardi trophy to the delight of a child's eyes
- the heartbreak of Marcus Allen breaking that long run and losing a Super Bowl
- Darell Green's punt return - you know the one
- The quarter
- Touchdown Terry Orr
- The team that could take guys like Mark Rypien, Timmy Smith, and Alvin Walton into superstars
- The greatest team ever in 1991
- Brian Mitchell's open hole on that muffled handoff to playoff vitory against the niners... the pain starts creeping, I was so naive to what was coming next - 18 years of hell
- The sudden retirement of Gibbs
- Pettibone's sadness
- The loss of JKC
- Norv Turner going 7-1 or something and then that painful loss to the Cards.. and the rest of the lost decade of the 90s
- The transformation of the Jack to Fedex field
- Stephen Davis and Tre Johnson and Brad Johnson and the field goal that never was.. so painful after so many years of waiting
- That egotistical maniac firing Casserly..
- Vinnie who?

Posted by: rsskinsfan | October 13, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

continued...

- Martyball, 0-5 to oblivion
- Martyball resurgant with hope... 8-8
- That egotistical maniac firing Marty
- Steve Spurrier? Shane Matthews? Danny Wuerwhatever... more pain.
- Mike Nolan, Ray Rhodes, Marvin Lewis, argh
- Deion Sanders, and the 100 other free agent busts collecting their retirement checks
- Joe Gibbs II - hope again - 2 playoff appearances in 4 years - not great play, but payoffs nonetheless.
- The Sean Taylor tragedy
- Being so close against the Seahawks to that elusive NFC Championship game
- The sudden retirement of Gibbs again
- The hope that GG would take over and the team could really ascend to the Super Bowl despite the Gibbs loss... naive once naive twice
- VINNY WHO? SNYDER WHAT? Jim Zorn??????????? WTF?!?!?!?
- Three wideout draft picks who make Rod Gardner and Michael Westbrook look like Hall of Famers.... Remember when Ricky Sanders, Art Monk and Gray Clark caught 1000 yards each in a season?
- Another year of Bla, and then ignoring the Offensive Line
- Losing to the Lions.
- Batiste, Rineheart, Heyer, Dockery and Williams trying to block. Where have you gone Mark May, Mark Schleeth, Ray Brown, Raliegh MacKenzie, Jeff Bostic, Russ Grim, Joe jacoby, Jim Lachay... a nation's lonely eyes looking for you?

I am a Skins fan. But after 31 years. I cant do this no more. I am not fair weather. These bozos, arrogant pricks Snyder and Ceratto, have destroyed my love.

A coach who freaking calls a spread run at his own one behind Stephon heyer, where Mike Sellers wont block, and Clinton Portis cant cut? A coach who calls a 4th down pass in the 4th quarter with a 9 point lead on the opponents 37? A coach who doesnt know a basic football rule and wastes a previous timeout?

A 67 year old retired consultant to take a look at the obvious - there is no offensive line? 10 different players mouthing away in the media? Players fighting in the locker room?

JC is not a great quarterback, but neither was Jay, nor Doug, nor Ryp... and he is certainly not the problem (see Shuler, Wuerfel, Frerotte, Friesz to name a few), he is rather a sympton of a greater disease. Heck, in any other era, he may have been a hero, who knows?

I'm done, and that's sad.

Posted by: rsskinsfan | October 13, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

danny, " what do you think Sherm?"
sherm, " you should hire a new GM, because has let your OLine wither away"
danny, "you're fired"
sherm, "buh bye"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Tough day, huh?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

we want the cowboys?

Wasn't it we want Dallas

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Notice that's the best brian-boy can come up with to refute the other posters points.

lol keep trying barno-clone.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 13, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it was We want Dallas... I got emotional writing and made a mistake. What's your point? I'm not a real fan? I live in Europe and watch games on my laptop. A couple of years it was near impossible and except for a few televised every mow again, I listened to the radio and watched recordings every week.

Still emotional argh

Posted by: rsskinsfan | October 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

great comment 4-12. ever since caveman got paid in the preseason he's been loafing. he virtually invited peppers into the backfield on that safety. BTW considering how portis' ability to perform successfully depends on the permance of the lineman in front of him (the consensus is the o-line is bottom 5 NFL) how is any of this his fault? Did some of you miss the memo about his bone spurs in his ankles? he missed a week of practice, and came out and played hard on sunday. i don't know where all of this contempt for portis comes from, but he has been our most consistent performer on offense since he came here from denver. lay off cp

p.s. talking bout the way he speaks, c'mon we're better than that. think of something creative at least .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS FROM TMQ: An espn.com article by an excellent writer, Greg Easterbrook. MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED, BUT JUST IN CASE...

Adventures in Officiating:

Jumpin' jehosaphat, what were the Redskins doing attempting a slow-developing sweep from their own 3? Safety. But the big play of Washington at Carolina was a Redskins punt muff in the fourth quarter; the Cats recovered at the Washington 16 and scored the winning touchdown. Antwaan Randle El of Washington signaled fair catch; Byron Westbrook was blocking for Randle El; Quinton Teal of Carolina shoved Westbrook into Randle El, who muffed the catch. Zebras first ruled fair-catch interference and gave the ball to Washington, then reversed themselves on review, saying that while the kicking team can't hit a player attempting a fair catch, it can throw one of the receiving team's players into him, assuming that player is blocking. Any receiving team's player who is not blocking can't be used as a missile to hurl into the punt returner. A fair catch signal covers the entire receiving team, not just the guy who waves his arm. After the wave, all receiving team players can't be hit, unless one tries to block, in which case he loses protection against interference.

OK -- but the second part of that standard isn't in the rulebook. I just reviewed Rule 10 of the NFL rulebook, which governs the fair catch, and it says nothing about what the kicking team can do to guys who aren't the ones who waved an arm. Perhaps this is covered by the infamous Officiating Manual, the zebra guidebook that the NFL refuses to let anyone see. The NCAA and NFHS both publish their officials' manual; why is the NFL manual secret? Plus, kicking rules are just way too complex: This year, the NFHS manual has 50 pages on interpretation of kicking rules.

After the touchdown, Carolina led 18-17 and went for two. Steve Smith lined up wide left with Kenneth Moore in the slot; Moore slammed into DeAngelo Hall, who was attempting to cover Smith, who went underneath and caught the deuce. This was an obvious pick play and should have been flagged; Moore looked like a pulling guard

Posted by: saltine182 | October 13, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Hi hit here, we're 2-3 (2-0 at home) Sunday we got the chiefs in DC

Can you Argue with that?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 7:29 PM |

Yes, because we phukin' suck and no amount of shining is gonna polish up this stinkin' turd. Danny and his cabana boy have phuked this team for years to come (not to mention the years past.) To think that this joke of a football team will do anything this year is straight tard. You're fooling yourself. Phuk Danny and his bama boyfriend Vinny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

After the touchdown, Carolina led 18-17 and went for two. Steve Smith lined up wide left with Kenneth Moore in the slot; Moore slammed into DeAngelo Hall, who was attempting to cover Smith, who went underneath and caught the deuce. This was an obvious pick play and should have been flagged; Moore looked like a pulling guard


Posted by: saltine182 | October 13, 2009 7:48 PM |

Who gives a sh!t. The game was lost when this d let a horrible team with one of the worst quarterbacks in the league score a whole bunch of unanswered points. Shouldn't have even been that close. Danny is an unwashed foreskin.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

This blog is an awfully bitter place.

Oh well, at least there's NFL Replay.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Conspiracy theory:

Danny and the League are in cahoots to get a team in LA. Danny's part: run the team so far into the ground that the fans won't riot when the mayflower vans show up in the middle of the night.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

More from Matt Mosely's NFC East blog:

1. Jim Zorn, Redskins head coach: This is such a mess that it's hard to single out any one player. I'll just go with Zorn since he's become the face of the Redskins' struggles. With left tackle Chris Samuels now injured, the Skins don't really have anything up front. Quarterback Jason Campbell can't deliver the ball and the Skins can't get any push in the running game. It's amazing that the Skins could play this poorly -- and be 3-3 at the end of next Sunday. This is a franchise in turmoil right now.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

saltine nice post about the "President's book of Secrets" NFL refs keep. i would want to change tho the refs on the field never called fair catch interference. in fact i think that's why the whole call was fudged up. they said there was no F/C interf. and that the ball hit a Car player and it was skins ball. it was only after Car coach fox complained about it did the refs reverse and say that it was Car ball and that's why Zorn challenged.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

John Riggins was a great player, when did he turn into a crotchity old man? Somebody pass that dude some Koolaide.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm seeing too many Zorn apologists and excuses. I think if Zorn coaches to our strength (Defense) and coaches conservatively, we're 4-1.

Should we have done more to help the O-Line in the last two years? Yes. Fred Davis and Kevin Barnes were absolutely baffling picks to me. We need receivers and took one too many. We decided to double down on defense rather than draft Oher, which I think was defensible. I agree though that I don't understand why we needed yet another cornerback in the third round.

So we should have had a second round lineman two years ago, and a third round lineman this year. That is my criticism of Cerrato. I don't begrudge the Jason Taylor signing, we were desperate. I'm not second guessing the Orakpo signing. Like I said, we doubled down on Defense.

Someone asked what coach could turn this around? I don't know. But I do know that Joe Gibbs would have taken the field goal against the Lions, and declined the penalty, and we would have won that game.

I know that Joe Gibbs would have elected to punt the ball rather than go for it on 4th and 3 from the 37 last week )when we were winning comfortably) and we would have won that game too. I know that these are standard calls that 99% of coaches make all the time.

Cerrato's inadequacy does not excuse Zorn's incompetence. We definitely should be 4-1 with the talent we have. The reason we aren't is squarely on the shoulders of Zorn.

Zorn needs to be fired this week.

Posted by: brianearman | October 13, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato's inadequacy does not excuse Zorn's incompetence. We definitely should be 4-1 with the talent we have. The reason we aren't is squarely on the shoulders of Zorn.

Posted by: brianearman | October 13, 2009 8:09 PM |

What the phuk are you smokin'? Games are won and lost in the trenches. Our o line has 0 talent hence 2-3. HeII, we're lucky to have any wins right now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

...oh yeah, and Danny sucks goat sphincter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Your right, pabrian2003. The Redskins are 2-3, 2-0 at home, and are hosting a winless team (for the third time this season) this Sunday. I am not sure what your overall point is beyond "glass half full" optimism, but ok.

I am just amazed that you think the Redskins are playing good football right now. Even giving the defense a pass, how can you look at the offense and see anything hopeful coming out of last weekend? Look at the Miami Dolphins. Same record: 2-3. Did you see their game last night? They were absolutely dominating the line of scrimmage on offense against a very good Jets defense. THAT kind of performance would give me hope the rest of the season.

57 yards rushing from CP at Carolina? Not a single 100 yard rushing game from any RB over 5 games this season? 13.2 points a game average for the offense? I know I keep bringing these same numbers up, but this offensive ineptitude is starting to look like a trend. I don't see the hope that you see.

But ok, we disagree, and I respect that you stick up for what you believe.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins lose the game Sunday, and no one is there to see it, did they actually lose?

Posted by: Xlnt | October 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the whole benching of Rhinehart just to put Mike Williams in...that to me makes ZERO sense. In fact less than zero sense if thats possible. They were running to the right with some good success, has it been determined whose idea this was??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you 100% on this.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 13, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm going to do something tomorrow that I'm ashamed to tell everyone here about. But I'm hoping it unleashes a torrent of righteous indignation from that Barno chap.

I'm going to buy a Seahawks jersey. (and, yes, I love the green ones, and I'm getting a green Hasselbeck)

Flame on!

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Loser

Posted by: Barno1 | October 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Where's Super-Fan-#1, Barno at?

He's been eerily silent since this weekend when both his beloved Terps and 'Skins got spanked around the football field.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 12, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Was on mini-vacation for Columbus day

Posted by: Barno1 | October 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, hey Barno!

Tell us how awesome the Redskins are today. Tell us everything is going to be ok this season and the Redskins still make the playoffs. Tell us that we are all overreacting, that the Redskins are playing just fine right now.

Sorry, don't mean to put words in your mouth! You go.

Oh yeah, don't forget this one: there are still 11 games in the season and anything can happen, and "I remember when this team was 5-6 in 2005 and I DIDN"T JUMP OFF THE BANDWAGON THEN!"

Sorry - ok you go!

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not as optimistic as Barno, but let me just say, it seems pretty cheesy to see someone gleefully flamed for being postive about the team.

Yeah, it looks like it's all about to go down the tubes, and if you choose to "give up", can't blame you.

I'll note that Barno was right about UM Basketball last year, saying that they would make the tourney at their darkest depths, so his optimisim has some creditability.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

By the way, anyone know where Shane Falco is these days?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

By the way, anyone know where Shane Falco is these days?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 8:51 PM |

Shacked up with Edie.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Every fan wants the best for the skins lets examine the larger perspective here: putting aside Zorn, if this team claws its way to 8 victories Snyder may believe in his biased vision that the team is still talented. He might insist that the talent is still solid just needing a new coach.

If the team shows its true colors, i.e. 5 wins he will be more willing to blow it up like in 2003 recognizing that there is little talent on the squad.

I always root for the team, but I am more than tired of the "fresh paint over rust" routine

Posted by: blinders1 | October 13, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey JohnDinHouston,

I am nothing if not cheesy. So, guilty as charged on that one.

I still watch all the games and root for the team. But my perspective on this season is more like this: let's be realistic about what this team actually is right now. As Barry Glazer, local attorney at law, says in his commercials: "don't urinate on my leg and tell me it's rainin'!"

We should be realistic. And when I run into posters who are not realistic about this team this season, I push them on it hard. I respect that they stick up for themselves (yes, Barno1, I do respect you), and for the team, but c'mon now - my leg's all wet and there is not a cloud in the sky.

We are all getting a golden shower from the Redskins this season, and now it's only a matter of what we want to call it. I'm going with urine. You can call it lemonade if you want, but I think you are wrong.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

hithere - absolutely, totally fair enough.

I will say - this whole thing utterly sucks; never thought I'd see the day.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

There are a million comments to make about the redskins this week but I am going to ask a new question:
where is marko mitchell? When is he going to move up the depth chart ahead of those other two assclowns?

Posted by: royhperkins | October 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Dan Steinberg bog has now replaced Redskins Insider as the "Go To" skins inside coverage on washington post.
Jason Reid softball column is like he wants to be on Snyder's payroll after the season. Can the post see if Laconfora would update to Redskins Insider, a couple of times a week. At least that would give me a reason to check in now and then. These days I am going straight to the bog.

Posted by: redskins11 | October 13, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Brooklyn, you and Chia Pet have both made statements about Snyder's being a Scientologist up here in the past few days. Could one of you provide a link to anything that bears out this claim?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 1:47 PM

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Nate,

The Church Of Scientology is a SECRET organization, and I'm no Bob Woodward.

I simply can't crack this case.

An exhaustive google search did turn up a fair amount of amusing innuendo, but nothing substantive to conclusively link Dan Snyder to the Cult of the Thetans.

Interestingly enough, however, I found a Maryland Circuit Court document centered around an environmental conservation case, filed by one Aris Mardirossian, a resident of River Road, and neighbor of Dan Snyder.

I'm no lawyer either, but it seems that Dan Snyder's clear cutting of his property in Bethesda spurred some legal action aimed at preventing this type of feckless homeowner action from happening again.

The plaintiff, Mr. Mardirossian, attempted to subpoena folks to bolster his claim, and his request was denied. A seperate court case involving the Church of Scientology was named in this court document in support of the denial of summons.

Yeah, it may be nothing, probably is nothing, but whateves... My gut tells me that Dan Snyder is a bona fide Scientologist.

For me, someone would need to provide a link to prove otherwise.

That's just me though...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

1. The amazin' one: Darrell Green.
B Mitch
Eric Metcalf
Leslie "Speedy" Duncan
Alvin Haymond
Desmond Howard
Lamar Parrish
Mike Nelms

Get your facts straight Summer's Eve.

Yes you both should. The Redskins STARTED the whole concept of special teams under Ted Marchibroda. They did indeed have some great ones play for them.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and lest we forget another famous punt returner named Deion Sanders once played for the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

As Long as Snyder is imposing his lack of sound judgement on this franchise, we are doomed to continued mediocrity..no matter who the coach is..no matter who the GM is ..no matter who the QB is..this guy is a poison to a one-time proud team ..remember the Cook years ..and see how far we are from that ...sad

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it may be nothing, probably is nothing, but whateves... My gut tells me that Dan Snyder is a bona fide Scientologist.

Two words: Tom Cruise.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm watchin' the VH1 Hip Hop Honors...no time for depressing Skins chatta'

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

There are a million comments to make about the redskins this week but I am going to ask a new question:
where is marko mitchell? When is he going to move up the depth chart ahead of those other two assclowns?

Posted by: royhperkins | October 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

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Doesn't matter who plays WR... can't protect the QB & if we could... Campbell would just hold the ball until the line broke down anyway.

I just hope people stop making excuses for Campbell... I finally get it, there is only one other NFL team he could start for at QB in this league... the Raiders, that's it.

He is on a CONTRACT YEAR & supposedly put in all this time with his receivers during the off season & he still isn't any better.

Unfortunately, there are no good QB's coming out of college this year... Bradford & Tebow are in spread offenses & you can't name an NFL QB that has come from the spread & produced in the NFL. Hopefully the Eagles will let Vick go & we can get him.

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Agreed JohnD, totally sucks. And I was actually optimistic for 10-6 or 11-5 this season.

Now that this season is starting to go off like a Spurrier in the sun, I am starting to sense a pattern here. Gibbs kind of broke the pattern, a little (at least the football was generally better quality, except for that godawful 2006 season), but after he left everything slipped back: Snyder hiring an unprepared and inexperienced coach, probably in part because the newbie agreed to the front office "structure" (whereas more established coaches would want some kind of change there).

I guess the next step to fix this mess is going to be to hire another top flight strong coach under whatever conditions they agree to (getting rid of Cerrato? We can only hope). And that would fit a pattern too: MSchottenheimer 2001, Gibbs 2004. But then can Dan Snyder make that last?

And about Cerrato, I actually think he is an ok evaluator of talent for individuals (Jarmon, Orakpo, Marko Mitchell, Fred Davis, etc. - these guys all have talent). But he is a terrible TEAM architect. How you could completely ignore the oline in this past draft is now beyond me, especially when the team's OWN COACHING STAFF identified the Oline as the most important part of the team needing an upgrade. Cerrato could be a scout somewhere, but not a GM. It's clear now.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Someone should start a petition urging him to "think outside the box" (that's a popular business phrase, right?). And then tell him that Cerrato is that box.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato could be a scout somewhere, but not a GM. It's clear now.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 9:40 PM |

After what he's helped do to this team the only thing he should be scouting is buttholes in a slaughterhouse. Snyderatto is a flaming red boil on the a$$ of the NFC East.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato's inadequacy does not excuse Zorn's incompetence. We definitely should be 4-1 with the talent we have. The reason we aren't is squarely on the shoulders of Zorn.

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YES IT DOES... Snyder hired him because he was the only person who would take the job with Cerrato as the "GM". If Vinnie wasn't the GM, we would of gotten a better coach, but Danny needs his puppet so he can pull his strings whenever he wants something.

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The O-line debacle has to be laid on D Snyder ..it was obvious it needed help a year ago..AND THEN ...NOTHING !! ...We all know he calls all the shots and this one was SO obvious that ....IT'S DISGUSTING !!

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Your right, pabrian2003. The Redskins are 2-3, 2-0 at home, and are hosting a winless team (for the third time this season)
this Sunday. "

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey hit person, try every game this season has been against a winless team.

Check it out on this thread:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-are-first-in-history-to-play-six-straig?urn=nfl,195479

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

And then tell him that Cerrato is that box.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 9:45 PM |

Cerrati IS a box.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey hit person, try every game this season has been against a winless team.

Check it out on this thread:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-are-first-in-history-to-play-six-straig?urn=nfl,195479

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 9:55 PM |

I believe the operative word was HOST. Third time we're HOSTING a sh!tty team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Method Man and Mary J Blige on...but

Because this team diesn't draft well, the D-Line needed rebuilding too and they DO have some talent there, BUT the O-line needed rebuilding too and you can't do both in one draft.

They shoulda been doing it all along.

Also...PLEASE STOP GIVING JOE GIBBS 2.0 A PASS. Those were O-lineman he gave away!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

What We've Learned
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
10/13/09 10:12 AM EDT

The Redskins failed planning once again will hurt them. Two years ago they knew the line was aging and breaking down. Yet they did little to fully address the situation, drafting a non-Division I player in the third round, plugging in a former undrafted free agent at right tackle and signing a guy who was 100 pounds overweight and out of the league for three years. That’s not on the coach. Derrick Dockery was supposedly a key free agent signing, but he had one of the worst games Sunday.

» With all the problems up front, the Redskins need to get better blockers in the game. They drafted tight end Fred Davis to be a complementary threat to tight end Chris Cooley in the passing game. But Davis hasn’t done much as a receiver and his blocking is subpar. Perhaps they’d be better off using Todd Yoder for his blocking. Davis is much more athletic, but that athleticism hasn’t helped the offense yet.

» One guy the Redskins still miss is strongside linebacker Marcus Washington. The players have said, since the first game, that they’re not having much fun on the field. Washington’s energy always served as a pick-me-up, not to mention his strong play vs. the run. His inability to stay healthy made him a casualty. But players would love to see him return. It’s not just his energy that they miss; it’s his ability to get off blocks, string plays out and stop the run. Rookie Brian Orakpo is not nearly at his level yet.

» The Redskins are starting to move Albert Haynesworth around even more. Sunday, he played some left end, a spot he had not been in previously here, in three-man fronts. Orakpo would line up as a linebacker and then run a stunt with Haynesworth, often with some effectiveness. Haynesworth is at his best when he can line up at different spots along the line. Incidentally, Haynesworth was held on the go-ahead touchdown pass by Carolina, but the call was not made.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Last years D-line could have survived this year ...last years (and this years) O-Line couldn't ..Duh ...is this rocket science Danny S ???

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

ncidentally, Haynesworth was held on the go-ahead touchdown pass by Carolina, but the call was not made.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse


Should've had Ron Riveron's crew, they don't miss any call not matter how ticky tack.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Also...PLEASE STOP GIVING JOE GIBBS 2.0 A PASS. Those were O-lineman he gave away!!!

Cerrato could be a scout somewhere, but not a GM. It's clear now.

Holy Hell, I cannot believe HOW naive posters here continue to be? After this debacle? Stop blaming Vinny and JOE GIBBS. Gibbs at least was able to wrest (with a great deal of struggle) 2 playoff appearances with Snyder in charge? DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE he stood in the background and had NO impact on the decision making as far as the talent drafted and signed for this team??? ITS NOT CERRATO! ITS NOT GIBBS! ITS SNYDER!! Wise up!

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

JonDinHouston thanks for the shoutout. Let's hope the Skins have a turnaround like MD's in bball.

Hithere1, bro I am realistic and of course it's hard to see my predictions coming true right now. The Samuels blow is worse than the loss. If he is not ok by the Philly game, it's going to be pretty damn hard to see this team doing what I had envisioned.

So here's to praying he is going to be back soon. And let's get Pete Kendall back in here asap regardless!!!

Posted by: Barno1 | October 13, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

I like Sherm Smith. IMO he projects more the image of a HC than Zorn.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

If Vinnie wasn't the GM, we would of gotten a better coach, but Danny needs his puppet so he can pull his strings whenever he wants something.

People, Cerrato IS NOT the GM. He does not now, and never has had that title? Even Gibbs was "president" and head coach? Snyder is and always was the GM of this team. Sheesh.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

With all the coaching/personnel changes, Snyder is the only common link to 10 years of mediocrity...nuf said ??

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I like Sherm Smith. IMO he projects more the image of a HC than Zorn.

Clearly, offensive coordinator for HC and friend Greg Blache. Don't you see that coming yet?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe the operative word was HOST. Third time we're HOSTING a sh!tty team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:00 PM

Good catch, thanks.

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

I'll bite on this debate...

Snyder would have done what Gibbs said. If Gibbs wanted to draft 10 O-lineman, Snyder would have followed, which is a flaw in Snyder's judgement. Gibbs was never a personnel man.

Yeah, we had two playoff appearances, but at what cost...old, inferior talent on offense. We started Thrash, ARE and Moss for god's sake...Brandon Lloyd, Archuleta,...

are you saying Snyder was entirely to blame for those.

I blame the WHOLE entire organization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We give those a pass that we want to...We cry tears for Zorn, pat Carlos Rogers on the back! Everybody owns this MESS!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:16 PM |

See perineum, this is where that Redskins Wiki page comes in handy. To catch you in your bold face lies. Here is the cut and pastes from the preseason and your 3 different predictions none of which are 4-12. Liar.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 8:42 PM
see 5 wins 11 losses.

Best case scenario: 6W-10L.

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.
Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

With all the coaching/personnel changes, Snyder is the only common link to 10 years of mediocrity...nuf said ??

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

NUF SAID !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, offensive coordinator for HC and friend Greg Blache. Don't you see that coming yet?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:21 PM

Huh?

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Snyder would have done what Gibbs said. If Gibbs wanted to draft 10 O-lineman, Snyder would have followed, which is a flaw in Snyder's judgement. Gibbs was never a personnel man.

How do I know Gibbs was not in charge? DUDE, there is no way in hell that Gibbs would go for Brandon Lloyd. NO WAY!!? He might have drafted him thinking he had potential the way he did Desmond Howard, and that guy later turned into a superbowl MVP!? But having seen his career in SF ... NO way Jose. Sure Gibbs makes mistakes but not the consistent monster mistakes that Snyder makes!? Look at who Gibbs drafted at the behest of Williams (with a dearth of choices)? Does Sean Taylor ring a bell? Gibbs had input and so did Williams but they were also overridden and even squelched! That's why Gibbs left.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The O-line debacle has to be laid on D Snyder ..it was obvious it needed help a year ago..AND THEN ...NOTHING !! ...We all know he calls all the shots and this one was SO obvious that ....IT'S DISGUSTING !!

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Good catch, thanks.

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 10:22 PM |

NP, I gotcho back. And Danny is a rancid can of smashed a$$h0les

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Here is the cut and pastes from the preseason and your 3 different predictions none of which are 4-12. Liar.

Immature 2 year old and his wiki ... awwwww go pound salt kid. Stand on your head and spit nickels. Do something useful.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

Again...no one is squeaky clean in this mess!

Yeah...we got it right a couple times...Taylor, Cooley, Fletcher-Baker.

Half the dudes on Gibbs offense would not be starters on other NFL teams.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Do something useful.
Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:31 PM |

Soon as you quit your lying you beat a$$ loser. Can't even remember what lies you told and that was your comeback when you got caught. Lol, you are a joke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Do something useful.
Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:31 PM |

Soon as you quit your lying you beat a$$ loser. Can't even remember what lies you told and that was your comeback when you got caught. Lol, you are a joke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Archuleta,...
Noting that Archuleta gave way to SEAN Taylor. I can just hear Williams: "Dan, look what happened when you picked. Let us do that for you."

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

are you saying Snyder was entirely to blame for those.

I blame the WHOLE entire organization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We give those a pass that we want to...We cry tears for Zorn, pat Carlos Rogers on the back! Everybody owns this MESS!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

DUH YES ...Snyder is to blame..he put people in positions they were incapable of handling and he was incapable of realizing

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Soon as you quit your lying you beat a$$ loser. Can't even remember what lies you told and that was your comeback when you got caught. Lol, you are a joke.

Scramble, you're the joke, and really always have been ... seriously you need a real job or something. You must be bi-polar or delusional.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:16 PM |

See perineum, this is where that Redskins Wiki page comes in handy. To catch you in your bold face lies. Here is the cut and pastes from the preseason and your 3 different predictions none of which are 4-12. Liar.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 8:42 PM
see 5 wins 11 losses.

Best case scenario: 6W-10L.

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.
Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon wrote a column about Snyder and mentioned a few candidates to run this organization...
Anyone have any input on the names he mentioned?

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 13, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 == Bipolar, personality disorder type. Beware.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon wrote a column about Snyder and mentioned a few candidates to run this organization...
Anyone have any input on the names he mentioned?

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 13, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney is available !!

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:16 PM |

See perineum, this is where that Redskins Wiki page comes in handy. To catch you in your bold face lies. Here is the cut and pastes from the preseason and your 3 different predictions none of which are 4-12. Liar.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 8:42 PM
see 5 wins 11 losses.

Best case scenario: 6W-10L.

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.
Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...we got it right a couple times...Taylor, Cooley, Fletcher-Baker.

Ask yourself, how many times has Snyder "gotten it right", when Turner, Marty or Joe Gibbs were not involved and asserting themselves in the process? Ask yourself, how many times did Snyder screw up big time when left "on his own"?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.

I'm pretty sure I was called on predicting 4-12 and then came back with these trying to be optimistic. Scramble, dude you look like an idiot. I was pretty pessimistic about the season and you can see that it my "cuts and pastes".

Again, you seem like someone with a personality disorder or worst. Please put me back on your DFA list. Thank you.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

You're right periculum...

BUT, let's say Snyder FINALLY wins a championship one day...

would you give him credit too!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

HOPE for 4-12, that would be 6-18 ..wow ..how low can it go ?? .. Sell to Bill Clinton ...imagine a message parlor at FEDEX !!

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

would you give him credit too!

Absolutely! As I did Portis. I think Portis had a good game last week. He scored 2 TDs and caught a TD pass. I believe he put out some real effort to try to win that game and not just increase his yardage totals.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice try perineum, you ain't gettin out of it that easy you phukin d0uchebag liar. It's easy to go back and check the archives, the dates are posted. You're a lyin sack of sh!t.

My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:16 PM |

See perineum, this is where that Redskins Wiki page comes in handy. To catch you in your bold face lies. Here is the cut and pastes from the preseason and your 3 different predictions none of which are 4-12. Liar.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 8:42 PM
see 5 wins 11 losses.

Best case scenario: 6W-10L.

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.
Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice try perineum, you ain't gettin out of it that easy you phukin d0uchebag liar. It's easy to go back and check the archives, the dates are posted. You're a lyin sack of sh!t.

You are beginning to sound like an axe murderer, or some off-shoot of the "sniper". Please put me on your DFA list. Thank you.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

No miracles...no winning year...no playoffs...nothing to look forward to..as long as Danny is here....NOTHING ..NOTHING..UGH..

Posted by: dl51 | October 13, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

JonDinHouston thanks for the shoutout. Let's hope the Skins have a turnaround like MD's in bball.

Hithere1, bro I am realistic and of course it's hard to see my predictions coming true right now. The Samuels blow is worse than the loss. If he is not ok by the Philly game, it's going to be pretty damn hard to see this team doing what I had envisioned.

So here's to praying he is going to be back soon. And let's get Pete Kendall back in here asap regardless!!!

Posted by: Barno1
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Fair enough, Barno1.

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My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum
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Periculum, what can I say? Other than it looks like you were right. I bought the enthusiasm at the start of the season. And I thought that Snyder and Ceratto had this year to show whether or not they could make things work their way.

Looks like they fail. Now, how will Snyder react to failing this time? It's all on him. I expect more hubris, more Ceratto, and more of this same old investment in skill position players at the expense of the Oline on offense.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Periculum, what can I say? Other than it looks like you were right. I bought the enthusiasm at the start of the season. And I thought that Snyder and Ceratto had this year to show whether or not they could make things work their way.

Looks like they fail. Now, how will Snyder react to failing this time? It's all on him. I expect more hubris, more Ceratto, and more of this same old investment in skill position players at the expense of the Oline on offense.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 11:02 PM |

Nope he wasn't, he's a liar, his predictions are immortalized in the archives and the wiki. He's always been a d0uchebag and now we can add liar to the list. Read below.

See perineum, this is where that Redskins Wiki page comes in handy. To catch you in your bold face lies. Here is the cut and pastes from the preseason and your 3 different predictions none of which are 4-12. Liar.

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 8:42 PM
see 5 wins 11 losses.

Best case scenario: 6W-10L.

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.
Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh snap, looks like you just got hosed, Periculum. 4-12, indeed. Why exaggerate so much? Just lost respect. Booooooooo.

Shoot straight, man.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 13, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

What this blog needs right now is a good lolcat. Appropriate, too.

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/10/funny-pictures-of-your-opinion/

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's one for you freaky Z:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0gZ61Pc0mc

and Danny is a bloated sack of whale sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"I'm just gonna shoot low and kick hard."

Words to live by. :-)

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"I'm just gonna shoot low and kick hard."

Words to live by. :-)

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 11:34 PM |

Ain't that the truth.

HTTR! but Danny must go...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

What I Think:

Trading picks for older veterans for the past 10 years has taken its' toll, specifically on the o-line and d-line. I am completely shocked that no one in the media has brought up the fact that after we lost Samuels for the game, we lost our running game, and our ability to control the clock. Batiste & Mike Williams? Chad Rinehart is inactive after starting the week before? How big of a joke are we? How much more obvious can the primary problem be? Every successful team uses 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks to select guards and tackles that need development, but show promise. These are the picks that we have repeatedly given away or used on position players, mostly always without success. Can we get Rod Gardner back?

Posted by: FanMan1 | October 13, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Interesting little twist worth noting. Snyder had been very unfriendly to those in the media that he didn't like. That control he tried to exercise is backfiring in a big way. Now that the house is on fire, he's finding out that he doesn't have many real friends.

Even Larry Michael couldn't suck up this week. Those he burned bridges with, like Riggins and BMitch, are getting lots of attention. And they aren't saying nice things, either.

As the old saying goes, never get in a fight with the folks that buy ink by the gallon.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

True he has pissed off the local radio media, but the Post and Times still have nothing but admiration for the Skins year in and year out. You can see how fans react on this blog all year, during which they are incomprehensibly optimistic. Reference any pre-season article you would like, this year or any other. The reason the fans are so dissapointed is that the media builds up our beloved mediocre franchise every year, and every year lets us down. It is time that each die hard fan realize that we most definitely are a second tier team, and the hole we need to dig ourselves out of is larger than we originally thought.

Posted by: FanMan1 | October 14, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

We all predicted this all summer with the O-line.I'm starting to think Bugel has become senile the way he continues to believe he can develope scrubs.Maybe he just doesnt voice his desire for more talent as loudly as Blache,squeeky wheel gets the grease kind of thing.Because it has become assinine how this front office ignores the O-line

Posted by: mark65 | October 14, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Is it sad that the past few years the only quote i can use about the redskins is "we suck again" by rob schneider in the waterboy?

Posted by: FanMan1 | October 14, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FanMan1 | October 14, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Prediction: Skins by 20 -- Zorn announces afterward "f staying medium, I'm just trying to stay employed".

Posted by: daggar | October 14, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO MR DAN SNYDER:

Here's what I want. Dan Snyder to read and respond to the following:

I've been a Skins fan since birth. Cried when they lost Superbowl Seven and I was Seven years old. Found guidance as a troubled teen through class act Joe Gibbs and the blue collar attitude. And have stayed connected to 'home' by staying connected to my team.

Now I have to ask with all seriousness - is it time to stop following the Skins? As proud as I have been of the team at it's height - like the 92 Superbowl - I am that disgusted now.

And it's not the record. We've lost a lot in the last 16 seasons.
I can root for Portis and Hall and Westbrook and even Batiste. But there is nothing to like about Dan Snyder from what I see as a fan at home. And Mr. Snyder - you are the Redskins.

As a fan I see the same mistakes over and over and over - Spurrier/Zorn, Haynesworth/Smith, Vinny/Vinny.

Dan - I'm a diehard and you've lost me.

So . . . if you were to ask me what you need to do to keep my business - this is my answer:

1. Talk to the media. They will ask the questions I want answered. You are too involed in the building of this team to ignore them/us.

2. Apologize for past mistakes - suing fans, forced parking, ignoring media, firing good people. We will embrace you. Every mistake probably makes sense to you on some level, explain them to us so we understand.

3. Change your front office structure. It's your team. But your track record is not good. Work smarter, not more expensive, and build us a history we can believe in win or lose. Since you've purchased the team, you've only built a history of futility and change.

4. Vinny is a not good for the team. Fire him! it's not working and as his boss that's your fault. Fix it.

5. Become a man we can be proud of - Coach Gibbs doesn't lie, so I believe him when he supports you, but what I see is as a fan in the press and more than that on the field paints you as very unlikable. Embrace the fans. You need to pal around with us, not Tom Cruise or Portis or the like. We're permanent. We'll go down or up with you. If you embrace us.

That's what I'd ask. A big ego can be fantastic - Kent Cooke was a skyscraper of ego. We loved him win or lose or Raljon.

Now, do I think anyone anyone on the executive floor will read this? I hope so . . . I've worked with a lot of very powerful, successful men and women in the entertainment industry, and the most successful and most loved have been the ones who listen and work 'humble'. My input is based on real world insight and not fanatic fan anger . . . now . . . I'm putting my Skins swag into storage and watching patiently to see if I need to move on.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 14, 2009 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Dan - I'm a diehard and you've lost me.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 14, 2009 4:08 AM |

Oxymoron alert! A diehard fan doesn't quit after a 2-3 start. There are lots of adjectives you could use in front of "fan" but diehard isn't one of them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 14, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, perhaps Kurt is talking about the last 10 years of bad decisions, mediocrity and lack of class, not just the current 2-3 start.

Posted by: cannontl | October 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The last thing we need is another WR, we need:

1. RT
2. LT
3. C
4. SLB
5. RG
6. FS
7. RB
8. MLB
9. DT
10. QB

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 3:39 PM

You could add to that list:

1. GM
2. HC
3. New team Captains

Posted by: scottmando | October 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh and:

1. KR
2. PR
3. kicker
4. ST Coach
5. Defensive Coordinator
6. Offensive Coordinator

Posted by: scottmando | October 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

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