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Redskins heading in right direction, but turnaround will take time

As some of you know, I enjoy reading the comments because Insider participants are highly passionate and informed. For me, it's all about sharing information and opinions, so the more involvement in our community the better.

Based on some of the recent comments, it seems I need to clarify my position on the team's potential for improvement this offseason. I totally agree that General Manager Bruce Allen and Coach Mike Shanahan will be active in trying to upgrade the roster through trades, free agency and the draft. With their previous success in the league, I would not be surprised if they made many sound moves over the next two months that helped to result in improved play next season.

But considering the Redskins' numerous deficiencies and the previous regime's poor approach to roster construction, I would be highly surprised if the Allen-Shanahan team engineered the type of major roster turnover in one offseason that appears to be needed to restore the Redskins to prominence.

And that's really why owner Daniel Snyder brought Allen and Shanahan to Ashburn. If Snyder simply wanted to continue to qualify for the playoffs occasionally, he could have kept his former football structure in place. But after the worst season in his 11-year tenure and one of the worst seasons in franchise history, Snyder made the type of sweeping front-office change many of his critics doubted he would in ousting Vinny Cerrato as top football executive.


Although Snyder obviously has made many mistakes running the franchise, he definitely wants to win consistently, people who speak with Snyder tell me, and he finally determined it wouldn't happen on the team's previous course. Allen and Shanahan have Snyder's total support to reshape the roster, and the seeming inevitability of an uncapped year provides the potential to accomplish a lot.

But the top free agents will be restricted in an uncapped season, and constantly giving away draft picks has been a big part of the Redskins' problems under Snyder. Many high-profile players will be available in trades, but most of them come with high-priced salaries. And with the potential of a lockout before the 2011 season and lost revenue for owners, taking on many big salaries might not be as appealing as it sounds to the people who actually have to pay them.

If Allen and Shanahan tell Snyder the Redskins need to make big trades, Snyder would approve those moves, I believe. But it doesn't appear Allen and Shanahan could complete enough trades, sign enough free agents or draft enough players (the Redskins currently hold the fourth overall pick and have selections in the second, fourth, fifth and seventh rounds) to get the team where it wants to end up in only one season.

The Redskins have finished last in the NFC East three of the last four seasons. They have missed the playoffs eight times in Snyder's 11 seasons as owner. And for just the second time since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, Washington failed to win a game against a division rival last season. So the core of this roster has produced one of the league's worst four-year performances.

That's what Allen and Shanahan are up against. For the past decade, the Redskins have mostly known failure. In addition to significantly upgrading the team's talent level, they must change the culture at Redskins Park. People who work at the park tell me the mood inside the complex's main building is completely different from what it has been the past couple of years. There's a sense, they say, that things really will be better now.

Will Allen and Shanahan lead the Redskins to four Super Bowl appearances and three titles as Joe Gibbs did in his first stint with the team? It's much tougher to win in the NFL these days, as Gibbs discovered in his return to the franchise, so it's doubtful they would enjoy such instant success. But there is an expectation level that the Redskins are --finally -- headed in the right direction again. It just could take a little longer than some of you would prefer.

By Jason Reid  |  February 23, 2010; 4:03 PM ET
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i think taylor mays will snap mccluster in two.

Posted by: Vicc


Yeah probably straight up, but he'd have to catch him first and that would include taking the proper angle to make just a solid tackle. And the boy McCluster has speed and moves to shake the oncoming defender.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?

I'm definitely no draft guru like Kiper and Mayock, but I will offer one lock of a superstar: Rolando McClain.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

nice one pulling 2pac, 4thfloor.

too many musicians die b4 30. Aaliyah used to be my #1.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

nice one pulling 2pac, 4thfloor.

too many musicians die b4 30. Aaliyah used to be my #1.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse `

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Good post, Jreid. This is the type of post I want to see more of.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 23, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Dump Portis, get Westbrook! Draft linemen early and often. Thats two more steps in the right direction.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 23, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Even though the league is "tougher" he still managed to get the Skins in the playoffs and in one season, while the team's best best player was murdered. I don't sleep on Gibbs second stint, while it earn a title, it got us competitive again. Plus he did it under Vinny, another reason why his second stint wasn't a failure, Maya Angelou would say, Vinny was there...and yet Gibbs rose. He's still the only coach since George Allen to take the team to the playoffs more than once.

Posted by: clark202 | February 23, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok let's stop the DRAFT a QB talk right now. We have an OFFENSIVE LINE that needs attention. There has to be a better selection of QB's in next years draft than the ok Sam Bradford/Jimmy Claussen duo. If the stud QB isnt there, why force yourself into taking one??? If we can not obtain the beast that is Suh, go for the OL with the 5th or trade down....I would pull a Joe Walsh and trade down personally - you never know what team might give up the world for that spot. Let's get enough young, fresh legs in here to start phasing out the rust.

Posted by: lszovati | February 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Ok let's stop the DRAFT a QB talk right now. We have an OFFENSIVE LINE that needs attention. There has to be a better selection of QB's in next years draft than the ok Sam Bradford/Jimmy Claussen duo. If the stud QB isnt there, why force yourself into taking one??? If we can not obtain the beast that is Suh, go for the OL with the 5th or trade down....I would pull a Joe Walsh and trade down personally - you never know what team might give up the world for that spot. Let's get enough young, fresh legs in here to start phasing out the rust.

Posted by: lszovati | February 23, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok let's stop the DRAFT a QB talk right now. We have an OFFENSIVE LINE that needs attention. There has to be a better selection of QB's in next years draft than the ok Sam Bradford/Jimmy Claussen duo. If the stud QB isnt there, why force yourself into taking one??? If we can not obtain the beast that is Suh, go for the OL with the 5th or trade down....I would pull a Joe Walsh and trade down personally - you never know what team might give up the world for that spot. Let's get enough young, fresh legs in here to start phasing out the rust.

Posted by: lszovati | February 23, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

nice one pulling 2pac, 4thfloor.

too many musicians die b4 30. Aaliyah used to be my #1.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010

Yeah, I recall when Jim Croce died. Wait, have any of you guys even heard of him?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I willing to wait. I'm fully prepared for another beat down of a year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

BAD AZZ "RedDMV" has taken time off from his busy schedule monitoring driver license exams ...

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2010 1:18 PM |

Shore hope the dude applies plenty of peroxide to them scratches on his face he got when he grabbed some nymphette's pie during her road test. Heh, heh.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Loves me some Jim croce...and waffles

Posted by: CheyenneWY | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM |

Dude name of Austin Miles.


Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

When I start to think about all the great QBs that Shanahan, Allen and Joe Gibbs drafted ... I come up with no one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, you may be right my friend but at least there will be accountability at the Park this year from the top on down and that can only lead to better things.

Posted by: forever8-8 | February 23, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Loves me some Jim croce...and waffles

Posted by: CheyenneWY | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM

Whaaa?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have finished last in the NFC East three of the last four seasons. They have missed the playoffs eight times in Snyder's 11 seasons as owner. And for just the second time since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, Washington failed to win a game against a division rival last season. So the core of this roster has produced one of the league's worst four-year performances.

By Jason Reid | February 23, 2010; 4:03 PM ET

This is where I disagree. The core of last year's COACHING STAFF produced one of the league's worst two year performances. Some of that was on the players, but Shanahan would have gone 10-6 last year with the same players that Zorn led to 4-12. That's why morale is so much better now.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification Mr. Mayor, but I still disagree. This team was close just a mere two seasons ago. Since then, they've gotten young in a lot of positions, but they ignored the o-line. Vinny was not a complete idiot in bringing in talent. Zorn was a complete idiot in developing it. There are guys on this roster who have been with the team one or two years that are really like sparkly new rookies. Barnes, Jarmon, Moore, Tryon, Thomas, Kelly - and even Davis will contribute more now than ever with a veteran coaching staff to train them up. I see the o-line as the real problem and a smart approach should yield some real dividends there this year. I'm not talking Super Bowl, but I think better than .500 is a respectable goal.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

If we can not obtain the beast that is Suh, go for the OL with the 5th or trade down....I would pull a Joe Walsh and trade down ...

Posted by: lszovati | February 23, 2010 4:20 PM |

WTF? It's a 4th not a 5th and Joe Walsh is a geetar player not a GM.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

This is what I know about Jim Croce - Bad Bad Leroy Brown and the snippets of songs they used to play during a commercial for a "greatest hits" album you could only get by calling a 1-800 number or mailing a check to a P.O. Box.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 23, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins headed in the right direction? Well, giving up Zorn and Vinny for Shanahan and Allen is a massive upgrade.

But ... we don't know anything about the direction we're going. We'll get an idea soon, but have the guys in charge tipped their hand on anything?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I willing to wait. I'm fully prepared for another beat down of a year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 4:21 PM

Ah, TWISI, what's wrong? This is off-season. We're into giddy anticipation. What's it gonna take to get you to wipe that frown off your face? Free agent spending frenzy with logical free agents this time? Draft day with Snyder watching from home on his TV like the rest of us and Allen trading down twice but still getting two elite WR's and one TE? Re-sign Leigh Torrence? Wait, I meant two elite OT's and one OG. That's better.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This is where I disagree. The core of last year's COACHING STAFF produced one of the league's worst two year performances. Some of that was on the players, but Shanahan would have gone 10-6 last year with the same players that Zorn led to 4-12. That's why morale is so much better now.

Shanahan is an improvement from Zorn but he would not have gone 10-6 with last years team. Zorn wasnt a great coach but he was given a flawed product to work with. Horrible Oline, declining backs, unproven receiving core and a defense that was great except when it counted. Zorn's biggest problem was that he was a lame duck coach and everyone knew it. If the team hadnt been flirting with Shanahan since week 2 they may have a slightly better result.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Jim Croce - yet another rock star killed in a plane crash - I wonder what the odds are compared to the general population for music stars dying in aviation accidents...Otis, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Buddy Holly, Stevie Ray Vaughn - seems like a risky proposition if you are a musician.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM |

Yeah because when a DB runs in a straight line for forty yards that means he was just beaten.

Forty times are important for a DB but so are 10-yd split, 20-yd split, 20-ss, 3-cone, Vert, Broad, BP, & Wonderlic

Here was Landrys combine
40 Time: 4.37
10 Yard Dash: 1.55
20 Yard Dash: 2.57
Vertical: 37.5″
Broad Jump: 10′3″

Mays has SS or OLB written all over him. Landry was a much better prospect than Mays.

He's not the second coming of 21. He's a less talented LL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Dump Portis, get Westbrook! Draft linemen early and often. Thats two more steps in the right direction.

Posted by: Predator48

I knew it was only a matter of time before this would be posted. No Thanks.

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't know ... I didn't see this team as "improving" two years ago. The defensive backfield took a huge giant leap backward with the loss of first Sean Taylor, and then Shawn Springs. The offensive line continued to age, wilt, until they finally crumbled as the years and injuries took their toll. The receiving corps seems very weak. The only improvement I've seen is at tight end with Davis. The running backs have eroded to age and injury. Kickers have been an unmitigated disaster!

Linebacker, defensive line, and quarterback, yes, quarterback are the only strengths on this team. And both line backer and the d-line certainly have age issues.

So, RedSkinHead Mr. Mayor has hit it square on the head. This is going to be a multi-year process. Hopefully finally leading upward.

Posted by: periculum | February 23, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

music stars dying in aviation accidents...Otis, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Buddy Holly, Stevie Ray Vaughn - seems like a risky proposition if you are a musician.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM

You forgot Aaliyah! My 1st wife.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

But since we're here, it might be worth pointing to another Charger running back that could be worth a look. Word is that San Diego, with a slew of restricted free agents to deal with (Shawne Merriman, Vincent Jackson, Marcus McNeill, Malcom Floyd), might decline to tender Darren Sproles, making him unrestricted. The complication with Sproles is that the Chargers franchised him last year at $6.621 million, meaning that to tender him as an RFA, they have to offer him a one-year deal at 110 percent of that figure ($7.283 million).

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

music stars dying in aviation accidents...Otis, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Buddy Holly, Stevie Ray Vaughn - seems like a risky proposition if you are a musician.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM

You forgot Aaliyah! My 1st wife.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

JR,
Thank you for a real post here, this is what fans WANT and what will keep us here. Most of us got hooked on RI from posts like this from JLC, then some of us got pissed when he told us truths about a 4-12 team we did not want to hear. We wanted your thoughts as someone around the team every day.

Save the facts for the printed half of the paper. We can read them there. Because to quote an SNL version of Clinton "They are like sober missionary sex with someone you know."

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Mays has SS or OLB written all over him. Landry was a much better prospect than Mays.

He's not the second coming of 21. He's a less talented LL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I tend toward buying that argument Diesel. I also think LL played his best with ST21 covering his back.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's biggest problem was that he was a lame duck coach and everyone knew it.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 4:41 PM

Not even close. Zorn's biggest problem was himself. He wasn't qualified to be an OC, much less an HC, in the NFL. He's back where he belongs now, coaching a QB.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking for the king of 42nd street
He drivin a drop top Cad'lac.

Last week he took all my money
and it may sound funny
but I come to get my money back

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

But since we're here, it might be worth pointing to another Charger running back that could be worth a look. Word is that San Diego, with a slew of restricted free agents to deal with (Shawne Merriman, Vincent Jackson, Marcus McNeill, Malcom Floyd), might decline to tender Darren Sproles, making him unrestricted. The complication with Sproles is that the Chargers franchised him last year at $6.621 million, meaning that to tender him as an RFA, they have to offer him a one-year deal at 110 percent of that figure ($7.283 million).


Posted by: BeantownGreg1

They'll keep him Bean. They have no one else at RB now and he's also explosive on Special Teams. I'd love to see McNeil in a Skins uniform though.

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I meant two elite OT's and one OG. That's better.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:40 PM

That will go a long way. really I think the team will be more competitive (particularly in the NFC East). With changes to both schemes I don't know how fast this team can come together.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I think we are all so jaded from years of being Cerratoed.

We are like dogs that have been beat, whenever the draft and free agency comes around we cower in fear.

I think Shanny/Allen will break us of this.

I think we take OL 1st, then RB 2nd, with a possibility of a QB in the 2nd round.

I see no reason this team can't be a wildcard playoff....maybe a division winner next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I think we take OL 1st, then RB 2nd, with a possibility of a QB in the 2nd round.

I see no reason this team can't be a wildcard playoff....maybe a division winner next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas

The problem is outside of Clausen and Bradford, there aren't any QBs worthy of a 2nd round pick. This may be one of the worst QB drafts in recent memory. Prospect wise, most rate the top two QBs outside of the top 10.

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

iH8,

Guy put down the bong for a sec. Lets not get our hopes that high.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"I would pull a Joe Walsh and trade down personally - you never know what team might give up the world for that spot."

Smart man(or woman).

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 23, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"I would pull a Joe Walsh and trade down personally - you never know what team might give up the world for that spot."

Smart man(or woman).

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

Who the hell is Joe Walsh?

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell is Joe Walsh?

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 5:07 PM

Joe Walsh is an American musician, songwriter, and actor. He has been a member of three commercially successful bands, the James Gang, Barnstorm, and the Eagles.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

gotta disagree with your Mayor on the full statement.. Skins did have a decent team in 2007 and a very good OLine that fell apart to injuries at the worst time..the Seattle playoff game.. Recall half the line was out and, among other substitutes, a rookie named Heyer started his first NFL game and Patrick Kearney of Seattle broke a playoff sack record.... That was when the lack of depth on the OLine was truly exposed.. Gibbs knew he got lucky... and got out.. And for the next two years Vinny did nothing about the lack of talent and depth at the Oline. What a waste of some great Defenses.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed

Posted by: VicDamone | February 23, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Look back to the year Samuels was drafted.

What if we needed QB and OT and decided to draft Chad Pennington instead of Samuels because we needed a "Franchise QB who is accurate with the ball"? Samuels was an opening day starter, multi pro bowler rock at LT. Noodle arm, often injured - sorry....accurate Pennington has become a journeyman starter.

Are we facing a similar dilemma now?

There are no locks in the draft, but some odds are much better than others. We cannot afford a mistake at this level.

Posted by: edvar | February 23, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

iH8,

Guy put down the bong for a sec. Lets not get our hopes that high.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

High or sober, I think this team can produce 10 wins next year. I'm optiminstic about this every season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

music stars dying in aviation accidents...Otis, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Buddy Holly, Stevie Ray Vaughn - seems like a risky proposition if you are a musician.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 4:42 PM

You forgot Aaliyah! My 1st wife.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:46 PM
============================
Ricky Nelson in a DC 3 prop..(maybe not a star)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

nah, Ricky counts - he was famous in his time - heard that was a very high flying last plane ride for Mr. Nelson

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Ricky cause the crash freebasing in the back?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't there, but that's what I heard

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins headed in the right direction? Well, giving up Zorn and Vinny for Shanahan and Allen is a massive upgrade.

But ... we don't know anything about the direction we're going. We'll get an idea soon, but have the guys in charge tipped their hand on anything?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:40 PM

I don't think we have to know our direction to know it's better than the one we've had the past 2 seasons. A random direction would at least be difficult to predict week to week, whereas the league figured out Zorn after Pittsburgh killed us in '08.

Granted, it's offseason highs like it always is, but I'm actually EXCITED about free agency and the draft this year because I know it'll have some smart moves for the 'Skins. I'll take that over the annual ridicule that came from our FO acquisitions.

Posted by: Keiser | February 23, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, i'm optimistic m' damn self, but i can think of 3 reasons the skins ain't winnin' the nfc east next year.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | February 23, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

the last post's headline is misleading. The content says they should take a qb IF they think one of those guys is a franchise qb. It points out that many people don't believe Claussen is, and bradfords shoulder is a medical question

Then he said or they should take an OT.

The headline is biased.

LT and Westbrook cut, big difference between them and Portis is those teams have sproles and mcCoy. We failed to maintain depth at RB. Good job vinny and danny

Posted by: pabrian2003 | February 23, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, i'm optimistic m' damn self, but i can think of 3 reasons the skins ain't winnin' the nfc east next year.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | February 23, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

If I don't think they can win, then there is no reason to root for them. All we need is O-line, an unpredictable offense, a young running back and we're in business.

The defense simply needs to attack, the talent is there on that side of the ball.And please no stone hands or double moves cracks. I'm sick of hearing it.

We can beat the Boys/Eagles and the Giants are on the decline.

No , I am not high and yes the Skins can make the playoffs next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Switzerland tops Belarus in a shootout. Next up. Switzerland vs USA. High noon. Wednesday

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with Lendale White? Is he available?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget John Denver... I was in Monterey the day his plane went missing, and a few days later I was in Colorado, where he was being mourned as the late poet laureate of that state. "Rocky Mountain High" and so forth.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Sproles will probably hit the open market. We could use that speed.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I see no reason this team can't be a wildcard playoff....maybe a division winner next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

______________________________________

Man, drinkin' that Kool-aid... more Redskins propaganda.

Come on, let's be realistic... due to all of the bad drafts, bad free agents, bad gm, bad coach, etc etc.

The Redskins have fallen behind all of their division foes. It's not just the starting positions but the complimentary positions that the Redskins have just let sit on their stale roster & trading picks that could of been the replacement of that stale player that could be cut when the time came... examples of these stale players are ARE, Betts, Cartwright, Randy Thomas (oft injured), Mike Sellars.

While the rest of the division were drafting Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Maclin, lots of OL & DL replacements... (Role players that fill in like starters when a guy goes down because they compete for work in the team concept they have created)... The Redskins were trading 2nd rounders for Jason Taylor.

The Redskins philosophy was "Oh, we have Portis... Let's not upset him & draft a player that may cause him to actually practice.... " (I know we have Betts, but he is about 2 years too old now) ... They handed millions & millions of dollars to guys & then never created any competition, so everything was handed to them... How can winning or performance matter to players when there is no real competition from within??

I don't know why, but I still have this feeling with the uncapped year & possible lockout next year... The 'Skins will go for it this offseason & use FA to fill every void they can... I just hope they take the time to get the dead weight off the books... how often do you get a do-over? and that's what the uncapped year will provide to get the cap back to manageable... cut Portis, cut ARE, & any other player that you don't feel are in the team's plans after 2011.


Posted by: tony325 | February 23, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

And Patsy Cline... and Glenn Miller... and Will Rogers... and would you believe Knute Rockne?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 23, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

My first pass draft priority, by position, obviously free agency can change this. I'm assuming a 4-3. My draft approach revolves mostly around 1 question -- what positions will have holes in 2 years? My top 4 slots are OL.

OT1
OT2
OG
C
LB1
CB
RB
FS
LB2
QB
RB2
WR
KR
DE

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

How bout Patsy Cline and Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper. All went down in a plane.

Posted by: diamond_jim | February 23, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

We aren't the only team to make bad moves in the past.

I agree that #26,82,45,77,60,61,31,46 and maybe a few others need to go.

These guys know who they need, and will have the blank checks to go get them. Again I say.......10 wins.We should get 3-4 wins versus the NFC East simply because they aren't used to Shanahan's game plan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band

Jimmy gave us rainbows
And Janis took a piece of our hearts
And Otis brought us all to the dock of a bay
Sing a song to light my fire
Remember Jim that way
They've all found another place
Another place to play

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band

Remember bad bad Leroy Brown
Hey Jimmy touched us with that song
Time won't change a friend we came to know
And Bobby gave us Mack the Knife
Well look out, he's back in town
They'll all be there together
When they meet in one big show

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band

There's a spotlight waiting
No matter who you are
'Cause everybody's got a song to sing
Everyone's a star
(Everybody's got to be a star)

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock and roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

the last post's headline is misleading. The content says they should take a qb IF they think one of those guys is a franchise qb. It points out that many people don't believe Claussen is, and bradfords shoulder is a medical question

Then he said or they should take an OT.

The headline is biased.

LT and Westbrook cut, big difference between them and Portis is those teams have sproles and mcCoy. We failed to maintain depth at RB. Good job vinny and danny

Posted by: pabrian2003 | February 23, 2010 5:41 PM

Sproles is gonzo as well. This is why they want to trade Cromartie to the Boys for Tashard Choice. Portis will be gone on March 5th.

I completely agree with everything else tho..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

How bout Patsy Cline and Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper. All went down in a plane.

Posted by: diamond_jim | February 23, 2010 6:09 PM

Well, it wasn't exactly "a plane." Valens, Big Bopper and Buddy Holly died together in 1959. Patsy Cline, four years later, with Cowboy Copas and Hawkshaw Hawkins.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I recall when Jim Croce died. Wait, have any of you guys even heard of him?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Yeah, Buddy Holly, too. And Glenn Miller in WW Twice.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

And Patsy Cline... and Glenn Miller... and Will Rogers... and would you believe Knute Rockne?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 23, 2010 6:01 PM

JFK and the Lamba dude.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't see playoffs in '10 ... mostly because we'll probably need to win the division.

NFC East plays AFC South which is loaded and the NFC North, which is pretty tough. 4-4 would be pretty good vs:

Indy
Jax
Houston
Tenn
Minny
Green Bay
Chicago
Det

The only lightweight in the group is Det, and they beat us in '09.

Say we beat StL and Tampa, go 4-4 in the other non-conf games. That's 6-4. To get to 10 W's (a wild card spot), we'd need 4 wins in the division. There's a lot of optimism in that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why Shallen would even want to totally revamp this roster in a year.

We have some legitimately talented units and players that just need the right kind of coaching and functional/healthy team environment to play in.

We don't need to revamp our secondary.

We don't need to revamp our Dline.

We have potential playmakers in our receiving corps who need some coaching and some plays that work for them.

What we need revamped is our Oline, and we need a new QB.

Shallen CAN revamp the Oline this offseason. QB is another story, but if we can get it done on our Oline - find 2 starting-caliber tackles and a RG that can last a whole season, as well as a real backup or 2 (not punchlines like BMW) - then we'll be in business.

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

And Glenn Miller in WW Twice.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2010 6:22 PM

Cork, didn't you post that you saw him perform in England only two weeks before his plane went down? Or was it two months?

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tony325 | February 23, 2010 5:59 PM

I completely agree.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

mock draft analysis 250 mocks

#1 - Clausen 45%, Suh 44%, Bradford 10%
#2 - Suh 48%, G.McCoy 38%, Okung 12%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 46%, Berry 36%, Suh 7%, Okung 4%, Morgan 2%, JPP 1%
#4 - Bradford 42%, Okung, 28%, Clausen 20%, G.McCoy 3%, Davis 2%, Berry 2%
#5 - Okung 42%, Berry 22%, Davis 10%, McClain 8%, Campbell 5%, Bradford 3%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Question for JReid:

We've had plenty of posts about what the Skins ex-coaches are doing these days.

Any tabs on what Vinny C. is up to?

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2010/02/23/2010-02-23_espn_supsends_kornheiser_for_storm_comments.html

Kornheiser got suspended for comments about Hannah Storm's outfit. Well, here's the outfit. You make the call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

the Lamba dude

D44 - is that some Greek singer?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should take a QB in the draft AND come to terms with a free agent QB. While JC17 is reportedly a nice guy -- and perhaps the sort of fellow you'd like to have dating your kid brother if he were gay -- I don't think the fans can take another season of excuses, alibis and losses under this worthless excuse for a pro QB. The guy is a consumate loser, but continues to start because (some say) there are no other viable alternatives. Well, bench this loser and get somebody (anybody) else out there who can get it done.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 23, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Shallen is a terrible name combo.

Maybe Mike+Bruce = Muce (moose)?

Allahan?

I suck at this

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2010/02/23/2010-02-23_espn_supsends_kornheiser_for_storm_comments.html

Kornheiser got suspended for comments about Hannah Storm's outfit. Well, here's the outfit. You make the call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse


They mentioned a couple ESPNers who got fired for sexual harassment stuff, but they didn't mention Sean Salisbury.

Didn't he get axed for photographing his junk on a cell phone and showing it to someone?

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

haha I meant BILL WALSH NOT JOE WALSH lol too funny...sorry fellas

Posted by: lszovati | February 23, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser got suspended for comments about Hannah Storm's outfit. Well, here's the outfit. You make the call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:30 PM |

Kornheiser was right. Hannah Storm should have been suspended. Go, Tony!

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow at noon (west coast time), its team USA vs Switzerland.

Key to the game. The goalies.

Miller vs Hiller.

Miller was spectacular vs Canada and is among the best in hockey.

Hiller can get hot, however, and win games on his own. Last season, he basically took my Sharks out of the playoffs, then nearly took out the Red Wings -- a phenomenal .943 save % over 13 games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

They mentioned a couple ESPNers who got fired for sexual harassment stuff...

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 6:35 PM

What Kornheiser said wasn't anything close to sexual harassment. He laughed at her for making a fool of herself:

"She's got on red go-go boots and a Catholic school plaid skirt... way too short for somebody in her 40s or maybe early 50s by now... She looks like she has sausage casing wrapping around her upper body... Come on now! Stop! What are you doing?"

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

the Lamba dude

D44 - is that some Greek singer?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 6:32 PM

Close the lambada is a Brazilian dance for couples that features dancing with arched legs, with the steps being from side to side or turning, and never front to back, with a pronounced movement of the hips. The originator of this dance sadly died in a plane crash in the mid 80's.

The Lambas are an ethnic and linguistic group of people living in the Kéran and Doufelgou Districts who's chief died in a horrific plane crash.

Then there is always Richie Valens who wrote the Mexican folk song the” La Bamba.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Hiller's 7 playoff wins in 2009:

35 saves, no goals
42 saves, 2 goals
31 saves, no goals
36 saves, 1 goal
59 saves, 3 goals (3 OTs)
45 saves, 1 goal
38 saves, 1 goal

When he's hot ... he can carry his team

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Sproles is gonzo as well. This is why they want to trade Cromartie to the Boys for Tashard Choice. Portis will be gone on March 5th.

I completely agree with everything else tho..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse
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Yeah, I just saw post by MSNBC that Sproles will not be franchised... Definitely, see him wearing Burgundy & Gold... Gotta think Shanny likes him & you don't want to waste your ducks on LT or Westbrook, their damaged goods.

How about a Fast Willie & Sproles combo??

I was just lookin' at the unrestricted RB FA & not too many that are successful & under 30 years old...

LT, Westbrook, Chester Taylor, Willie Parker, Sproles, & a few others.

I did read that a guy like Lendale White could be available but probably would cost a draft pick, which we don't have any to waste.

Posted by: tony325 | February 23, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

When he's hot ... he can carry his team

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse
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Yep... I was rooting for Belarus... did you see Hiller in the Stanley Cup Playoffs take Anaheim by Detroit & others?

Posted by: tony325 | February 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 6:42 PM

I like the boots. She can leave those on..

TK was funny especially the JD Salinger bit. A severe overreaction by the four letter network.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Shark on Shark action coming up, as Canada plays Germany. Boyle, Thornton, Marleau and Heatley for Canada. Thomas Griess, the Sharks backup goalie for Germany. If Canada wins, the next game will feature the same Canadian Sharks against the Sharks starting goalie ... Evgeni Nabakov, enjoying hs day off.

The other Sharks with the day off, USA's Joe Pavelski and Sweden's Douglas Murray.

Murray, a defenseman, got a lot of coverage in the 3rd period vs Finland. About 2am on the east coast, so not many people there saw it. But they were talking about Murray and how he knocks people down. Within the next few minutes, he obliterated 3 different Fins. Great stuff.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Sproles would be awesome. I remember watching that playoff game against Indy when he had like a billion all purpose yards.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

LT, Westbrook, Chester Taylor, Willie Parker, Sproles, & a few others.

I did read that a guy like Lendale White could be available but probably would cost a draft pick, which we don't have any to waste.

Posted by: tony325 | February 23, 2010 6:53 PM

I'd go after Taylor. Still a lot of tread left on his tires and he's an every down back.

Sproles would be interesting but for the right price. He's going to want starting RB money but he's more of a complimentary type of back. No to Semi-fast Willie parker, LT, & Westbrook.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

When he's hot ... he can carry his team

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse
___________________________

Yep... I was rooting for Belarus... did you see Hiller in the Stanley Cup Playoffs take Anaheim by Detroit & others?

Posted by: tony325

As a Sharks fan, yeah, Hiller took out my team. I had tix to game 5, but was on the Illinois River (conveniently located in Oregon). This stuff http://www.momentumriverexpeditions.com/Illinois-river-rafting/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser got suspended for comments about Hannah Storm's outfit. Well, here's the outfit. You make the call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 6:30 PM


I made mention of that outfit on here that day...she looked like she was ready for 2 hours of doggystyle, not SportsCenter. I would argue TK didn't say enough.

F ESPN, F drafting a QB #4, and F people who think this team is going 10-6 next year. The lower we keep expectations for 2010, the lower number of all-caps posts largely consisting of "SJK" on RI come January 2011.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I could get behind Sproles coming here. KR/PR and #2 RB. A total change of pace runner.

Probably too much $$, but he does find the end zone in a variety of ways.

Don't think Turner has used Sproles well. You throw him the ball 3-5 times a game EVERY game and hand it to him 8-12 times a game, EVERY game. Total of about 15-18 touches, including returns.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

z, I prefer Shanallen but that's me

Hannah Storm - I'd hit that (sorry Moe)
but hey I'm over fifty and have lost my will to say no!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

And with the potential of a lockout before the 2011 season and lost revenue for owners, taking on many big salaries might not be as appealing as it sounds to the people who actually have to pay them

Why is that? If there's a lock-out, are the owners still on the hook to pay players? Or is the issue that the contracts would pick back up where they left off, and you'd owe players that are a year older the money you promised their older selves if a season was lost?

Posted by: WorstSeat | February 23, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Sproles would be interesting but for the right price. He's going to want starting RB money but he's more of a complimentary type of back. No to Semi-fast Willie parker, LT, & Westbrook.


Posted by: Diesel44

I agree even though Portis will return and won't be cut. I heard the Chargers GM say that they would like him back at the right price which means he's gone.

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I'd go after Taylor. Still a lot of tread left on his tires and he's an every down back.

Sproles would be interesting but for the right price. He's going to want starting RB money but he's more of a complimentary type of back. No to Semi-fast Willie parker, LT, & Westbrook.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse


Why go after any RB that's going to cost something?

I'm sure Shanny can find a couple Alridge-types who need work and can be effective in his system.

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Why not get a guy that can fill two holes?.....That didn't sound right.

Anyway dude can play RB and KR, two spots that weren't exactly bright last year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

What Kornheiser said wasn't anything close to sexual harassment. He laughed at her for making a fool of herself:

"She's got on red go-go boots and a Catholic school plaid skirt... way too short for somebody in her 40s or maybe early 50s by now... She looks like she has sausage casing wrapping around her upper body... Come on now! Stop! What are you doing?"

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse


Kornheiser made a comment about her sweater being sausage-casing tight, and her skirt being too short.

Then he commented about how she embodied some fantasy-girl out of a JD Salinger book...and when he says "fantasy" I doubt he meant it in a "fantasy football" kind of context...

I don't know what you think passes for "sexual harassment" these days, but let me offer a bit of friendly advice:

Don't go into your job tomorrow and repeat those kinds of comments to a female co-worker.

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Then there is always Richie Valens who wrote the Mexican folk song the” La Bamba.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:48 PM

I think you meant that he "adapted" it. It's a traditional song with many versions. But that doesn't detract from his brilliance in putting a rock beat to it.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser made a comment about her sweater being sausage-casing tight, and her skirt being too short.

Then he commented about how she embodied some fantasy-girl out of a JD Salinger book...and when he says "fantasy" I doubt he meant it in a "fantasy football" kind of context...

I don't know what you think passes for "sexual harassment" these days, but let me offer a bit of friendly advice:

Don't go into your job tomorrow and repeat those kinds of comments to a female co-worker.

Posted by: p1funk

And if you're a female reading this, choose a different outfit than Hannah Storm did.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't go into your job tomorrow and repeat those kinds of comments to a female co-worker.

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 7:30 PM

Thanks, funk. I think you just saved my job! Course, where I work, the broads don't wear anything like that Hannah Storm outfit.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Hannah Storm - I'd hit that (sorry Moe)

Same here ... betcha that's what Tony was a thinking when he said that.

Posted by: periculum | February 23, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Heatley to Thornton, Sharks, errr Canada 1, Germany 0

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

How Quickly We Forget, FERNANDO WALTMILLER!

Posted by: Spanglerg | February 23, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

To be serious for a moment, it's not whether the comments were "sexual" or not, it's all about if the comments made the workplace a hostile or offensive work environment

having seen three executives get fired for not taking a female employee's complaints seriously enough it's lawyer's hey-day.

All over a Hooter's calendar that could not been by anyone unless you were sitting at the guy's desk in his chair.

He got demoted too, she got a rumored mid 5 figure settlement and a better position.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Heatley to Thornton, Sharks, errr Canada 1, Germany 0

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 7:54 PM

Heatley German born and has represented Team Canada in six World Championships, two Olympics and one World Cup of Hockey, as well as two World Junior Championships.

Makes perfect sense. F Crosby and F Team Canada.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

LS I agree with you that this team last year would have been 10-6 under shanny I am sick of this Taylor mays at 4 no maybe 36th If he's there but Eric berry fits safty and corner I also heard today on sports talk 980 that it's possible that JC17 goes to buffalo for jarius Bird and a swap of 1st round picks then what happens that great but do u then draft the best tackle and try for a colt McCoy or Dan lefevour or dare I say tim tebow so many options i can't wait for the draft as 4 Clinton Portis I think he will be good this year everyone says he stunk it up last year but their also the first to say "fix the o-line" "fix the o-line" I think people are gonna be pleasntly surprised at our record next year I'm not one of these superbowl every year fans but the best part about being this bad is you can only get better hail to the redskins!!! If we stay at 4 draft Eric berry and no one can replace my personal all time favorite player Sean Taylor so STOP!!! Trying to anyone that is dumb enough to do that I do have a question to anyone that can anwser it if in 2011 there is a lockout is there still a draft in 2011?

Posted by: Superman321 | February 23, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Hannah storm is hot I don't care what she wears but I would still rank Erin Andrews the hottest of "the women of ESPN"

Posted by: Superman321 | February 23, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Bradford suffered a 3rd degree AC joint sprain against BYU and then reinjured/tore his AC joint against Texas weeks later. They never listed his diagnosis but surgery wasn’t an option when he originally sprained it but it would be if he tore it.

Just too many red flags for me and I’m not even talking about OU’s system, the superior talent he played with or his arm strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:07 PM
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confusing.. Earlier said he tore the AC Joint?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 4:44 PM

Please re-read what I typed. He originally had a 3rd degree sprain of the AC joint and then either reinjured it or TORE it. OU never released the 2nd injury.

Seems pretty clear that he didn't require surgery with a sprain but would with a tear.

Sprains heal, tears require surgery.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

love the Jairus Byrd trade idea

Clausen or Bradford would probably still be there at #9, if not Davis or Bulaga will be there

watching Jimi Hendrix at Monterrey Pop Festival, playing Foxy Lady between his legs.

F Prince, little Jimi wanna be

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

TK was funny especially the JD Salinger bit. A severe overreaction by the four letter network.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 6:56 PM |

After that gruesome joke about Latinos picking up his drycleaning mebbe it's time for Tony el Tigre to call it a day.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

watching Jimi Hendrix at Monterrey Pop Festival, playing Foxy Lady between his legs.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 8:35 PM |

Sounded better when he played it with his tooths.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

love the Jairus Byrd trade idea

Clausen or Bradford would probably still be there at #9, if not Davis or Bulaga will be there

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 8:35 PM

I'd like the idea more if they threw in their 3rd rd pick. We could take Bulaga @ #9, Pouncey in the 2nd and LeFevour in the 3rd. Sign a FA QB and roll.

Ahhh, whatever…980 is more amateur hour than the comment section of RI.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

gotta disagree with your Mayor on the full statement.. Skins did have a decent team in 2007 and a very good OLine that fell apart to injuries at the worst time..the Seattle playoff game.. Recall half the line was out and, among other substitutes, a rookie named Heyer started his first NFL game and Patrick Kearney of Seattle broke a playoff sack record.... That was when the lack of depth on the OLine was truly exposed.. Gibbs knew he got lucky... and got out.. And for the next two years Vinny did nothing about the lack of talent and depth at the Oline. What a waste of some great Defenses.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse
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While I agree with your premise that the OL has been neglected and is a major cause of the Redskins poor performance you should get your facts right.
1. Heyer started five games in 2007, including all of Todd Collins starts
2. While Kearney was a disruptive force in the game he had zero sacks so unless the record was a negative number he did not set one. Seattle only had 3 sacks in the game, 2 by LBs.
3. The bigger issue then Heyer was Fabini playing RG. He was the one who got bull rushed into Collins that led to the first pick 6.

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 23, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I havent even read this article yet. I just want to know where I can go to unload on Tony Kornholer. Sounds like his lame act caught up to him. To bad the post wont run an article so we can pile on. Now the other idiot Welboner should be next. I dont even think what Kornholer did was that bad. It's clear his ratings are down and this is the start of getting the lamo out. His sports show is not a sports show. It's a not funny novelty show featuring comentary on things like what cheese is best with what sandwich and other dumb stuff unloaded from him self loving brain as he tried to strut his self perceived ego.

Posted by: robjway1 | February 23, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"He originally had a 3rd degree sprain of the AC joint and then either reinjured it or TORE it. OU never released the 2nd injury.
Seems pretty clear that he didn't require surgery with a sprain but would with a tear. Sprains heal, tears require surgery."

Not exactly. First, a sprain involves a ligament that's either been stretched or torn (either qualify). Ligaments are the connective tissue that connects bones at the joint.

If it's muscle or tendon instead of ligament, it's called a strain.

So the word sprain alone doesn't tell you whether something is torn or not.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the Lions, the other three teams in the draft's top-four are reportedly angling to trade down this year.

NFL Network's Mike Mayock calls this year's draft the deepest in eight years, and teams have grown wary of handing top-five money to unproven players. Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy may be the only players worth targeting that high, but either player would require a trade into the top spot.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

We have potential playmakers in our receiving corps who need some coaching and some plays that work for them.

Posted by: p1funk | February 23, 2010 6:25 PM |

What they really need is a QB like Brees who can get it to his receivers.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the Lions, the other three teams in the draft's top-four are reportedly angling to trade down this year.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 23, 2010 9:21 PM |

Dude - it's all supply and no demand. But the media needs storylines to keep its networks humming and it knows it can throw just about anything out there and the booboisie will inhale.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The Post keeping Reid around for another year is bizarre.

Well, at least he "agrees that Allen and Shanahan will be active in trying to upgrade the roster". That's first class reporting right there, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: themantoyou | February 23, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Just as an addendum, the determining factor as to whether you have surgery is usually the extent of the tear and how many ligaments are involved. That's what the MRIs are for.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedskinWillie | February 23, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Props to Snyder. The team hasn't even made any significant player moves yet and I already feel better about the direction of the team. But you know Snyder has to be going crazy with Julius Peppers sitting out there free for the taking. I wonder if he'll be able to restrain himself.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 9:19 PM

You clearly are not picking up what I'm putting down.

I simply said that he initially suffered a 3rd degree sprain in his AC Joint. Then weeks later either reinjured his AC joint or sustained significantly more damage that would require surgery instead of rest and rehabilitation. They never released the details of his season ending hit against Texas. My guess is that it was significantly worse than when he injured it against BYU.

Tendons connect muscle to bone.
Ligaments connect bones to other bones.

Both can be torn and a tear is a more severe injury that usually requires surgery.

WHAT IS AN AC SEPARATION?

When the AC joint is “separated” it means that the ligaments connecting the acromion and clavicle have been damaged, and the two structures no longer line up correctly. AC separations can be anywhere from mild to severe,and AC separations are “graded” depending upon which ligaments are torn and how badly they are torn.

Grade I Injury — the least damage is done, and the AC joint still lines up.

Grade II Injury — damage to the ligaments which reinforce the AC joint. In a grade II injury these ligaments are only stretched but not entirely torn. When stressed, the AC joint becomes painful and unstable.

Grade III Injury — AC and secondary ligaments are completely torn and the collarbone is no longer tethered to the shoulder blade, resulting in a visible deformity.

WHEN IS SURGERY INDICATED?

Grade I and II separations very rarely require surgery. Even Grade III injuries usually allow return to full activity with few restrictions. In some cases a painful
lump may persist, necessitating partial clavicle excision in selected individuals such as high caliber throwing athletes. SURGERY CAN BE REQUIRED IN THE MORE SIGNIFICANT GRADE III INJURIES.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Not exactly. First, a sprain involves a ligament that's either been stretched or torn (either qualify). Ligaments are the connective tissue that connects bones at the joint.

If it's muscle or tendon instead of ligament, it's called a strain.

So the word sprain alone doesn't tell you whether something is torn or not.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 9:19 PM |

To get beyond your porntificating, a couple of comments.

1. Drew Brees had a nasty shoulder, prob wuss than Brad, and he recovered just fine.
2. The Skins will be in Dr. And's underwear when they go over the deets of Brad's surgery and recovery with him before they make any decision about Brad or Claus.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

F*ck you, Lligayet, what did you come in , 25tht, spewboy?? I hate DC and sports and the bullsh*t f'in lie, F' the lot of you fash sh*tsystem robots anymore, what a f'in' pile of bullsh*t lies..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

It's sad what happens to the broads at ESPN - first Namath drools on Suzy Kolber and now Tony Kornholer critques Hannah Storm's wardrobe. Good luck with the female demographic dudes.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 10:21 PM

Not to trying to get to technical but…

Brees suffered a torn labrum in his right (throwing) shoulder. The labrum is a type of cartilage found in the shoulder joint. The shoulder is a ball and socket joint where the arm meets the body, The arm bone (humerus) forms a ball at the shoulder which meets the socket which is part of the shoulder blade. These two bones are connected by ligaments which are tough tissues forming tethers that hold the bones in relationship to each other.

Bradford suffered a sprained or torn AC joint. Different function and different location. Similar to different knee injuries like an ACL or MCL.

As far as Dr. James Andrews, HIPAA guidelines would prevent him from disclosing his medical opinion of Bradford, since Bradford was under his care. The Skins would need to conduct a physical with a different Surgeon.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll be 80% of the women agreed with TK on Hannah's look

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Bradford suffered a sprained or torn AC joint. Different function and different location. Similar to different knee injuries like an ACL or MCL.


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:48 PM
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Diesel44:
Your previous postings today on Wash Post have all said Bradford had a "torn AC". Although you are now saying "sprained or torn" (thats a rapid improvement??).
Where have you seen documented that Bradford has a "torn AC"?
Inquiring minds want to know (you'd be surprised who). thks

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:03 PM

Did you go back and read what I wrote?

I'm tired of repeating myself. He initially had a 3rd degree sprain against BYU. He then reinjured it again against Texas. That injury was never disclosed. I'm suggesting that he may have indeed suffered a tear, hence the surgery.

Please read and then comment. thks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Props to Snyder. The team hasn't even made any significant player moves yet and I already feel better about the direction of the team. But you know Snyder has to be going crazy with Julius Peppers sitting out there free for the taking. I wonder if he'll be able to restrain himself.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

peppers wants to win a championship and probly would take a pay cut to do it so I don't think he will be here in dc unless he signs with a team on our sch. That's playing us at home but we all as skins fans can still hope and pray that he signs here with the redskins

Posted by: Superman321 | February 23, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with your premise that the OL has been neglected and is a major cause of the Redskins poor performance you should get your facts right.
1. Heyer started five games in 2007, including all of Todd Collins starts
2. While Kearney was a disruptive force in the game he had zero sacks so unless the record was a negative number he did not set one. Seattle only had 3 sacks in the game, 2 by LBs.
3. The bigger issue then Heyer was Fabini playing RG. He was the one who got bull rushed into Collins that led to the first pick 6.

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 23, 2010 9:03 PM
======================

lifelong..
my mistake on kearney.. Its been three years... Researched the game no NFL.COM and it was 4 sacks on Collins not 3 so, your facts need some fine tuning, too.. Four sacks may of been an wild card record? Somewhere it was highlighted at the time.
Here is a recap of the game.. "key stat" from NFL.COM

Key stat
The Seahawks linebackers -- Leroy Hill, Lofa Tatupu and Julian Peterson -- led the team in tackles. The trio was able to pressure starting quarterback Todd Collins for most of the game. Seattle had only four sacks but was constantly applying pressure on the Redskins quarterback. The Seahawks are 10-2 when they have at least one sack.

From Scouts INC
If you haven’t paid much attention in the Northwest, Seattle has a pretty impressive defensive team led by LDE Patrick Kerney, MLB Lofa Tatupu, OLB Julian Peterson and shutdown corner Marcus Trufant. Defensive coordinator John Marshall's game plan was to shut down the Washington running game while overloading the right side with single zone pressure schemes in passing situations that placed a lot of pressure on rookie RT Stephon Heyer. The Redskins countered by sliding their protection schemes toward Heyer, which forced LT Chris Samuels on an island in one-on-one situations on the backside with either Darryl Tapp or Peterson. The Seahawks also did a good job in rotating their defensive linemen while aligning at different spots in sub to create mismatches that they exploited with four-man rush schemes. On top of that, this is a fast and aggressive defense that played at very high level in attacking QB Todd Collins in the pocket while controlling the Washington running game.
-- Keith Kidd, Scouts Inc.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM,
Not that it matters but the narrative said 4 the box score said 3. I used the box score number but that could have been wrong. In remembering the game I was surprised that the number was that low. It seemed to me like Collins was sacked every other play. I thought the total would have been more like 6-8

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 23, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Did you go back and read what I wrote?

I'm tired of repeating myself. He initially had a 3rd degree sprain against BYU. He then reinjured it again against Texas. That injury was never disclosed. I'm suggesting that he may have indeed suffered a tear, hence the surgery.

Please read and then comment. thks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:11 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Diesel:
So you didnt see it anywhere in print that Sam B. had a "torn AC Joint" versus AC Lig?


Your Earlier Post, below, from RI;

"What part of injury red flag do you not get with drafting a QB with a torn AC joint.

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk"

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

With Peppers out there for the taking ,Snyder is like Tiger in a Perkin's Restaraunt.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:58 PM

Dude...

He initially had a 3rd degree sprain against BYU. He then reinjured it again against Texas. That injury was never disclosed. I'm suggesting that he may have indeed suffered a tear, hence the surgery.

I'll cut and paste my post again and stand by this..

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

What the heck? Okung's only mentioned 6 times in this post (7 including this one). In the last thread his name was brought up 17 times. You guys are loosing your touch.

On the plus side QB is mentioned 35 times in this thread with no mention of our most recent starter at QB, at least not in name. Anyway keep up the good work.

Other buzz words:
Line - 48 times
Mayor - 4 times
Croce - 6 times
Colt (McCoy) - 1 time
Colt (Brennan) - 0 times (WTH?)

Posted by: CapsXXVI | February 24, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I dont disagree, Diesel44, on your opinion on who is high risk or not.. That was just part of the posting you made earlier today..so i had to include it.
The point is you posted that he had a torn AC joint and implied that Bradford and OU SI are not disclosing the injury. Which is not true.
+++++++++++++++
From your original posting..

"What part of injury red flag do you not get with drafting a QB with a torn AC joint.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM
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Then your follow up posting..

He initially had a 3rd degree sprain against BYU. He then reinjured it again against Texas. That injury was never disclosed. I'm suggesting that he may have indeed suffered a tear, hence the surgery.

Please read and then comment. thks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:11 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 24, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

As far as Dr. James Andrews, HIPAA guidelines would prevent him from disclosing his medical opinion of Bradford, since Bradford was under his care. The Skins would need to conduct a physical with a different Surgeon.


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:48 PM |

You're making this sound adversarial. If Brad has any intentions of being drafted with the highest pick possible he has to authorize Dr. And to talk fully and freely about all aspects of his injury and treatment to whoever he okays. Otherwise teams will be scared away.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 24, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I'll be 80% of the women agreed with TK on Hannah's look

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 11:02 PM |

80% may have agreed but 100% would totally against him saying anything about it, especially on air. Men just aren't allowed to say things like that about women.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 24, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

80% may have agreed but 100% would totally against him saying anything about it, especially on air. Men just aren't allowed to say things like that about women.

Posted by: ElDrano

Well, men would be foolish to say that about their significant other -- but women say this sort of stuff about other women all the time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2010 1:59 AM | Report abuse

It's sad what happens to the broads at ESPN - first Namath drools on Suzy Kolber and now Tony Kornholer critques Hannah Storm's wardrobe. Good luck with the female demographic dudes.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 23, 2010 10:34 PM


Um, don't count on ESPN losing sleep over that...I'm pretty sure that's not even close to their target demographic.

Besides, they're a monopoly. They could run an endless loop of SportsCenter and still get ratings.

Oh wait...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26:

Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

O-o-o, REDSKINS eschew the arcane for the mundane and grab RUSSELL OKUNG as their #4 pick in April.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 5:47 AM | Report abuse

Morning GL.

Maybe I missed something but I gotta ask...what's with the Roscoe P. Coltrane routine?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

You're making this sound adversarial. If Brad has any intentions of being drafted with the highest pick possible he has to authorize Dr. And to talk fully and freely about all aspects of his injury and treatment to whoever he okays. Otherwise teams will be scared away.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 24, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

So, this discourse doesn't do that?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

brownie:

I patched together several posts from yesterday and early this morning on the RUSSELL OKUNG vs. SAM BRADFORD esposition. What do you think?

"You're making this sound adversarial. If Brad has any intentions of being drafted with the highest pick possible he has to authorize Dr. And to talk fully and freely about all aspects of his injury and treatment to whoever he okays. Otherwise teams will be scared away."

Posted by: ElDrano | February 24, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm with THE Diesel on this one.

"I'll cut and paste my post again and stand by this..

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk"

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

My post on the subject from yesterday afternoon.

"Dude, bad example. No one here wants a MATT LEINERT over RUSSELL OKUNG. They want PEYTON MANNING over RUSSELL OKUNG. And that's what scouts are for. To be as certain as one can be that an OKUNG trumps a LEINERT.

Now if I thought either BRADFORD or CLAUSEN would be significantly better that OKUNG I'd be all for it. But I'm not convinced either will trump OKUNG - ever. Especially when I need to read a doctor's recommendation in order to make an informed choice. Your argument does not persuade."

Who pray tell is ROSCOE P. COLTRAIN - JOHN's older brother?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:22 PM

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

brownie:

Take your time. I'll get back to you.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Who pray tell is ROSCOE P. COLTRAIN - JOHN's older brother?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:09 AM

He was the sheriff in "Dukes of Hazzard." --

"Rosco's mentality is that of a clumsy, somewhat slow-witted buffoon. He speaks with a childish vernacular and repeats his favorite catch phrases constantly...." [Wikipedia]

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

League-Source:

I wish you'd quit talking about yourself like that. I fear for you life.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and League-Source, I don't care what you think. Have a nice day.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

GL, Roscoe P. Coletrain is the deputy from The Dukes of Hazzard...if you have to ask, the joke is DOA.

I think my take on the draft has been pretty apparent...go OL with the #4 and #37 picks and take LeFevour in the 4th round if he's still on the board. If not, go QB in 2011 when there's (allegedly) better options. If Shanny is 100% sold on Bradford and takes him at #4, I could live with that but I'd really much rather see us stack up on OL help while the elite OTs are still on the board.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

brownie:

You and me both brother. Peace. Have a good day. I'm out - but not to lunch L-S.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Take 'er easy, GL.

Anyone hear if Hannah Storm had a response to the Kornheiser comments? I'd imagine ESPN would just love for this to go away...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

I understand they weren't suitable for prime time.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Probably not...did anyone catch the "Brian Westbrook" interview on SportsCenter last night? Some dude called up there claiming to be Westbrook, they put him on air to discuss his release from the Eagles and the dude throws out some shout out to Howard Stern. Hilarious...somebody's gonna lose their job over that debacle.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and League-Source, I don't care what you think. Have a nice day.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 24, 2010 6:23 AM

Me? I haven't even told you what I think, and I'll make it a point to keep my thoughts to myself. Brownwood, though, thinks you're channeling Rosco P. Coltrain.

Yee-haw, good buddy!

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I think I will disagree with the pundants. Selecting a QB is a crap shoot. How many #1 QB's have been standouts? The percentages are low and time to mature is always an issue. Who expected Ryan, Flacco, Staub, to be standouts? I think the Redskins do have a sense of urgency, and a 3-4 year project may not be in the cards. Jason states that the Redskins have lots of holes. Perhaps, trading down and getting a #14 and a #30 would help plug holes. Maybe building a domenant defense and having an adequate QB who won't lose you games is the approach. The NFL is littled with Shuler, Russells, etc. who were highly touted and big flops.

Posted by: rhino2 | February 24, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Maybe building a domenant defense and having an adequate QB who won't lose you games is the approach.

Posted by: rhino2 | February 24, 2010 7:25 AM


That approach worked for one team: the 2000 Ravens. And considering they had an offensive-minded coach, I guarantee you that wasn't the intended approach when they built that team.

And if you think we're gonna even attempt at getting a setup like that with Shanahan in charge, you're mistaken. He's gonna want a QB that fits his system and he'll wanna win by scoring points, not shutting out the opponent.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Probably not...did anyone catch the "Brian Westbrook" interview on SportsCenter last night? Some dude called up there claiming to be Westbrook, they put him on air to discuss his release from the Eagles and the dude throws out some shout out to Howard Stern. Hilarious...somebody's gonna lose their job over that debacle.

Posted by: brownwood26


For real? Damn, I wish I had caught it.

What else did fake Westbrook say?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

That was about it Red...I could tell right away it wasn't his voice, but he was saying a bunch of things the real Westbrook would probably say (had a good run w/ the Eagles, bittersweet to be leaving, praising the organization, etc) then outta nowhere says something about being in Howard Stern's prostate. I caught some of the audio on sportstalk radio early this morning...looked on YouTube and nothing's posted yet.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

All I know is that we are NOT getting a "kinder, gentler" impostor like we got in Joe Gibbs II. Shanahan will give us our money's worth. That's all I ask.

And congrats to Jason Reid for reading the comments. Most of the Post writers are in such ivory towers they cannot relate to the people they are self-righteously providing one way information.

Posted by: hz9604 | February 24, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Red, looks like PFT just posted something on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riVLe_btqz8

ESPN gets fooled by Westbrook impersonator
Posted by Mike Florio on February 24, 2010 8:03 AM ET
Tony Kornheiser isn't the only guy who is going to be suspended by ESPN this week.

Someone who guards the on-air gate allowed a person pretending to be soon-to-be-former Eagles running back Brian Westbrook to talk live via phone with Scott Van Pelt on last night's SportsCenter.

Here's the audio/video.

As if the prank wasn't obvious the minute the person started talking, it became even more clear when the caller mentioned "worshiping the prostate of Howard Stern."

Maybe the caller was Tony Kornheiser.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Damn, that's crazy. Forget suspension, someones going to lose their gig over that.

Maybe whoever allowed phony Westbrook on air, meant to do it. He, or she may have been getting axed anyway, and it was their way of saying 'f*** you'.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

The new regime will be judged on this draft. There will be tremendous scrutiny. DRAFT VALUE. Okung is value at #4. Bradford/Clausen are value at #25. If you need to trade down to get value and pick up another 1st rounder - fine. DO NOT draft a QB at #4, even if you HAVE A TWO PIECE CUSTOM MADE FOR YOU.

Posted by: donsilvester | February 24, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Red, I can tell you as someone working in that industry right now that if someone were to go that route to prove a point, it'll backfire. It's hard as hell getting jobs in broadcasting (either in front of or behind the camera) and doing something like that would ensure that you won't work in the business again for the forseeable future. Pleading forgiveness is the only way outta that one.

But then again, this is ESPN...I'm sure the responsible party has a cell phone pic of his boss's dick and is holding them hostage.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

2 days ago the front of the Post says 'Kiper says Skins will take QB'. Yesterday Reid posts that 'Mayock thinks the Skins will take a QB'.

Today the front of the Post is 'Draft analysts DON'T think the Skins will take a QB."

????????

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, it says "likely" now. I swear a minute ago it said "unlikely". Unless I'm having snow dementia....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Radio talking heads were going on about Tebow's throwing motion and whether Urban Meyer should have corrected it. The problem with that discussion is that apparently, they tried. The coaches took him over to the biomechanics lab at Florida and did the usual workup, coming up with a plan for correction. The rationalization is that the big looping motion is bad for your rotator anyway. I don't know what happened, but it sure didn't look like his motion changed any. If true, that would lead a team to think that correcting his throwing style may be more difficult than you might think.

Basically, the guy's a big RB with a good arm, closer to Ronnie Brown than Sam Bradford. Could be a valuable addition to a Wildcat team, but anything else would have to be considered gravy.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

ryp, you've got a lotta nerve criticizing my copy and paste from the PFT website when you can't even read....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

A bunch of freaks and pervs work at ESPN.

Dudes that had to be suspended, fired, or sued for making sexually suggestive remarks or engaged in inappropriate conduct:

Tony Kornheiser
Steve Phillips
Jay Crawford
Harold Reynolds
Mike Trico
Woody Paige
Sean Sailsbury
Chris Berman


And I'm sure there are more...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

ryp, you've got a lotta nerve criticizing my copy and paste from the PFT website when you can't even read....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 8:55 AM

I SWEAR it said "unlikely" when I first read it. I hope I'm not losing my mind....of course I also missed yesterday's Mike "Maycock" post until the 4th time I read it...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

keep Campbell for this year as our starting Qb and build the O-line and see what he could do under Shanny's regime. If that does not work then you do whatever it takes to move up and get Jake Locker in 2011 who I believe will be alot better than Bradford and Clausen and at least by then we should have a decent O-line.

Posted by: malixx | February 24, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Red - Come on man, you can't seriously be saying that Tony should be fired for what he said about Hannah, can you? I think two weeks is already ridiculous.

That's TK's schtick. He makes fun of people, he makes fun of himself, they laugh, the audience laugh. It's hypocritical of ESPN to allow it all the time for ratings, then when he says something about one outfit of an ESPN employee, they get their panties all in a bunch. You think they would have cared if he said that about Oprah or somebody on American Idol or something?

ESPN is only hurting themselves... I don't typically turn in for Wilbon/LeRetard and I'm sure others don't as well...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Once again my reading comprehension fails me... "had" is not "have".. sorry guys, its early.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

ryp, your credibility is DONE on this blog..glass houses and all...DUN....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

2 days ago the front of the Post says 'Kiper says Skins will take QB'. Yesterday Reid posts that 'Mayock thinks the Skins will take a QB'.

Today the front of the Post is 'Draft analysts DON'T think the Skins will take a QB."

????????
====================++++++++++++++++_____
good.. It means Bruce Allen is acting like a professional GM and not showing his hand.. The media doesnt know diddle what the Skins will do.. but they need copy.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 8:48 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 24, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

A bunch of freaks and pervs work at ESPN.

Dudes that had to be suspended, fired, or sued for making sexually suggestive remarks or engaged in inappropriate conduct:

Tony Kornheiser
Steve Phillips
Jay Crawford
Harold Reynolds
Mike Trico
Woody Paige
Sean Sailsbury
Chris Berman


And I'm sure there are more...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 8:55 AM

Personally, I'd rather hear any of those guys than the team of lukewarm pabulum that the Post now has covering the Redskins.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

the thought of McNabb, Vick & Tebow in the wildcat still gives me the willies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I don't blame you. I am deeply sorry... for my irresponsible and selfish behavior....I ask you.. to find room.. in your heart... to someday...forgive...me...

Anyways... its NFL combine day!

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

wait, there's credibility on this blog?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

good.. It means Bruce Allen is acting like a professional GM and not showing his hand.. The media doesnt know diddle what the Skins will do.. but they need copy.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 8:48 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 24, 2010 9:08 AM |


Hey, it's too early for The Tell. That will be three days before the draft when Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, Devin Thomas, and Santana Moss pile into Redskins 1 and fly to Oklahoma State and Notre Dotre to workout their #1 quarterback.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

RE: Wildcat

A QB that lines up in the shotgun formation is not called the wildcat, it's called the shotgun formation.

A RB that lines up in the shotgun formation is called the wildcat.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Dump Portis, get Westbrook!

Posted by: Predator48 | February 23, 2010 4:17 PM

[Insert grass is always greener cliche]. Both of these guys suffer from the same damaged neural networks. Both were once great. One of them is scheduled to get guaranteed money. The other one worries about his brother's decision-making before getting behind the wheel of an automobile. Both of them will play next year, primarily for their remaining ability to block in play action on third down, including the ability pick up the necessary three yards.

Did somebody say something about waffles?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

And as far as Mayock's bs goes, he contradicts himself anyway. Not to mention all the hedging about "IF" you believe either is 'the guy'.

OT: Vampire Weekend's "The Kids Don't Stand a Chance" is a catchy damn tune.

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/The+Kids+Don+t+Stand+A+Chance/MxcgV

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Ryp...if he said that stuff on PTI (on a national stage), I could understand the outrage. But he said it on a local station in D.C. that just happens to fall under the ESPN umbrella. Not worth suspending the guy over, IMO.

And Red, you forgot my girl Dana Jacobsen's drunken "f*ck Jesus" rant at the Mike and Mike celebrity roast.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"Basically, the guy's a big RB with a good arm, closer to Ronnie Brown than Sam Bradford. Could be a valuable addition to a Wildcat team, but anything else would have to be considered gravy. Posted by: Samson151"

He could play the Ronnie Brown role in Miami. Be a better thrower, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

the thought of McNabb, Vick & Tebow in the wildcat still gives me the willies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:10 AM

The Willies gave me: George Bush, Sr.; the longest stretch of >50 home runs in MLB; and Outlaw Country Music (i.e., Horton, Mays, and Nelson, respectively).

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Westbrook is gone 'cause they have Vick. Who would you take?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

ryp, sober up, you're a mess, and its 9:21 in the morning....straighten up you're better than this.

ds, yeah, credibility abounds. I'll sell you some....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

As far as drafting a QB: that always has to be viewed in the light of having a top Five choice. In those rarefied elevations, teams always consider the possibility of getting a franchise-type performer at QB. You only get so many shots at such picks, so you don't want to pass one by if there's a realistic chance that's what you're looking at. Barring trades, you hope you never draft that high again, right?

So Mayock is correct: it comes down to whether you believe one of those two QBs is your franchise player. If he is, you take him, says Mayock, regardless of your other needs. If you decide he isn't, you look elsewhere. There are plenty of good linemen out there on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

wow, sween, my head is spinning.

It also gave us the ability to question the definition of "IS".

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

ds, yeah, credibility abounds. I'll sell you some....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 9:21 AM

I'll take some. How many bonus points will it cost?

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Dunta Robinson will hit the market

That's a player I think is worth going after.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

brownwood - I wouldn't have even have thought twice about if it he said it on PTI. I bet even the people at ESPN thought it was funny, but had to be diplomatic to their fellow ESPN employees....

Bean - I'm square.. I think I was still reeling from the ride in this morning.. its a mess here in upstate NY...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Just say no to Tebow. Bradford and Clausen should be scratched off anyone's list because they won't throw at the combine. I'm thinking Pike is the first QB I'd pick in this draft and he should be hanging around when the Redskins pick second. His stock is climbing; however, and if he has a decent showing at the combine he is going to move into the first round...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 24, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Samson, I agree with Mayock (and usually do...he's the best draft "guru" there is) on that, I could live with the Bradford pick if he's 100% healthy and has the goods in Shanny's eyes. But he's gotta be a no-brainer pick to them, not just the best available QB in a given year. That's the equivalent of a reach, IMO.

And Dik, I consider it a plus that Mayock was using "ifs"...I think it's much more responsible for analysts to speak in fewer absolutes when it comes to stuff they personally have no control over, instead of having some misplaced God complex like Kiper. None of these guys knows what a team is going to do so it only makes sense to say what a team SHOULD do and not unequivocally say what they WILL do. Sean Salisbury did the former a heckuva lot and he's right now roaming the streets for work.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

ryp, denial....not a river....2 week suspension from RI without pay, while you hit the local rehab....

ls....sorry, selling to you, would be akin to shoveling a hole in the ocean...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I was watching Sports Center last night and John Clayton said the redskins will cut ARE....

I think they may cut A Carter as well because doesn't he have like a 10Mil roster bonus coming up just like ARE?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Hell Brown, I was just talking about those who had some sort of inappropriate sexual misconduct attached to their name.

There is a TON of people over at ESPN who's been fired or suspended over general misconduct.

Dana Jacobson is shaped funny...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

http://was.scout.com/2/945867.html

This guy has us getting this Tackle that no one has mentioned so far after getting Bradford in the 1st....

Just sayin.....Believable....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Salisbury got canned for flashing.

And I hear the Korny susp is more related to bashing boomer than his fashion critiques.

...but that depends on what the meaning of the word IS is.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nj.com/sports/njsports/index.ssf/2010/01/haiti_native_vladimir_ducasse.html

The NEXT GENENERATION Left Tackle right here....

Book It....With this guys feet and Drive, DeMArcus Ware ain't gonna be running around like he use to do to Sameuls.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

brownwood - I wouldn't have even have thought twice about if it he said it on PTI. I bet even the people at ESPN thought it was funny, but had to be diplomatic to their fellow ESPN employees....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 9:27 AM


Ryp, I'm with you dude...I just think ESPN has more right to be upset if their people are criticized by their own people on a NATIONAL stage, doing it in your own home market on a show that's not nationally syndicated shouldn't be an issue though. That said, ESPN has a long-standing reputation for being over-sensitive when protecting themselves from anything even remotely close to criticism.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I do agree that admitted conjecture>bombastic blowhardery. John Clayton is the master.

And why wouldn't we let ARE go? I like him as a 4th option or so... but we got yunguns to promote!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins heading in right direction, but turnaround will take time"

This team has been turning around for about 10 years.

Thing is, it got in this rut when Mr Snyder purchased the team, and started playing Fantasy League owner with the roster.

The team will eventually turnaround, provided, of course, if Mr. Fantasy League Owner stays out of the way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Dana Jacobson is shaped funny...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 9:34 AM


Yeah, she doesn't have the body per se, but she's got a pretty face and can hold her own talkin' sports with the guys. Plus it seems she's got an affinity for booze...which means if you get a few drinks in her, you can easily get something else in her...if you know what I mean.

Call me crazy, but I'd hit that. And come up on RI braggin' about it too.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

So Mayock is correct: it comes down to whether you believe one of those two QBs is your franchise player. If he is, you take him, says Mayock, regardless of your other needs. If you decide he isn't, you look elsewhere. There are plenty of good linemen out there on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2010 9:22 AM
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Agreed Samson..

An average QB is always more valuable than an above average OLine guy who effects just one fifth of the Oline.

With Needs being equal..(Oline and QB) When in doubt with a once in decade or two #4 pick..take the QB..Its sorta like the old real estate axiom.. location, location, location but this time its overall.. value, value, value.

And please dont say JC is adequate at a career 4-21 NFC East record..a glaring slap-you-in-the-face fact strangely ignored by the WAPO writers.

Also, when he had a decent OLine in 2007, his 3rd year with the Skins, he was 5-7 (0-2 against the NFC East), before he injured his knee.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 24, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and not to rehash the whole TK/Hannah Storm thing, but Hannah's looking mighty tasty this morning. Love when she wears those short skirts...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

As far as those First Take brezzies go:

Sage Steele > Reischea Canidate > Dana Jacobson

I'd give all three the LSD.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Kornheiser is just sour becuase he tried to holla and she carried him.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Red, I'd agree with your, um, "bracket"...except I'd put Reischea Canidate head and shoulders above Sage. Prettier face and her body is 100% better. Sage has the body of a female Kevin Durant.

I could see Sage over Dana, it's just that Sage looks eerily similar to a girl I grew up with so she's kinda in the "friend zone" and not really a sexual attraction for me. I'm just really intrigued by Dana because I'd be willing to bet my house she's a nasty freak in bed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Kornheiser is just sour becuase he tried to holla and she carried him.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 9:59 AM

Nah, he's just sour because that's how he makes his living. He owns the sports franchise for Sour 'R' Us. If you don't want sour, you don't listen to Kornheiser.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 24, 2010 9:51 AM

Seriously...Your hatred for JC is clouding your judgment.

Needs between QB and OL are not equal.

"An average QB is always more valuable than an above average OLine guy who effects just one fifth of the Oline."

We currently have a very average QB but every Sunday we line up with the WORST OL in football.

“When in doubt with a once in decade or two #4 pick..take the QB..Its sorta like the old real estate axiom.. location, location, location but this time its overall.. value, value, value”

Complete nonsense. You don't reach with a top 5 pick, entirely too many red flags with both Bradford and Clausen. Reach and miss with a QB and Shanny will be at the end of his 5 yr contract before the team recovers.

QB is a need but it's not in the Top 5 overall personnel needs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

doing it in your own home market on a show that's not nationally syndicated shouldn't be an issue though. That said, ESPN has a long-standing reputation for being over-sensitive when protecting themselves from anything even remotely close to criticism.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 9:46 AM |

This is the internet age....everything gets out on the national stage...especially if you have a National TV show....

..Remember...She has powerful Husband with connections.......He's waaaay more important than Tony K....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

4th, I think that the what people thought about the possibilities with Ducasse. He got pwned in the 1-on-1s in the practices leading up to the Senior Bowl and in the game itself. On the other hand, a team can never have too many guys named Vladimir (or Dunta for that matter).

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

ok, serious question...do people REALLY watch PTI...I mean, seriously...you do know that MWilbon is on the show, so AUTOMATICALLY thats a deal breaker with no questions asked.....I'd rather have my wisdom teeth extracted via my anus, than watch that crap.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

..Remember...She has powerful Husband with connections.......He's waaaay more important than Tony K....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:09 AM


If that were true, I'd know who her husband is.

Odds are TK says something exactly the same in another couple months.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

From WaPo:

"Since arriving in Washington, Shanahan hasn't made any changes to the team's scouting department, which means he'll be relying on reports generated by talent evaluators installed by the previous management team."

Not a good sign inasmuch as "the previous management team" kind of sucked, espec in the area of draft and talent evaluation. However, Shan can always call in independent evaluators such as Scouts Inc and others to get additional intel. In this day and age of outsourcing does it really make any sense to put a lot of $$$ into a talent scout dept when there are independent outfits that specialize in talent evaluation?

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I know you're one of many here who hate Wilbon but you gotta admit that is probably the best show on ESPN. I mean, it's either that or another insufferable "Access Hollywood"...I mean SportsCenter bit gone wrong (see "Draft Lab" and anything with Kenny Mayne).

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ls....sorry, selling to you, would be akin to shoveling a hole in the ocean...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 9:31 AM

Do you mean that in the good way? Look, I've got bonus points and you need them. I've offered you like my entire draft for a stinking 3rd round pick and this is how you treat me?

Anyway, I don't think you've even got blog cred, much less any you could sell. I'm going to take my business elsewhere. If anyone can sell blog cred, it's nateinthePDX. I'm gonna offer him some of those fancy Voodoo donuts and a la-di-da microbrew. He's easy.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have my wisdom teeth extracted via my anus.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:17 AM

And this is a guy who is trying to sell us blog cred?

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

brown, the only time I watch ESPN is for the hunting/fishing shows they have on Saturday and Sunday morning, but yeah, wilbon is a pos, and always will be....

ls, just sold the last cred to te...he paid in cash....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

* LMAO @ Sage "having the body of a female Kevin Durant".

* League-S, Kornheiser is "my boy". I'm a TK fan. I'm probably one of the few that finds his yelling funny. Especially on PTI...

* Beans I found Wilbon's comments about Sean Taylor disturbing as well. In fact it pissed me off when I first read it. But Wilbon has NOTHING on how that piece of sh*t Colin Cowherd carried it -- suggested, like Wilbon, that Taylor had brought it on himself, and fans who were mourning his death needed to "grow up". At least Wilbon was sympathetic to the situation, while Cowherd made preconceived notions and acted as a low-life heartless bastard.

There are very few people I hate dead or alive. Colin Cowherd is one of them. HATE. HIM!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Don't blame you Greg (although I don't share your hate for Wilbon)...I'm not into hunting/fishing at all, but the only thing I can stomach on ESPN anymore is PTI and NFL Live. And even those shows wear on me when TK/Wilbon aren't there or NFL Live gets too SportsCenter for me.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Dan Hicks (sportscaster)
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John Daniel "Dan" Hicks[1] (born June 2, 1962, in Tucson, Arizona) is an American sportscaster for NBC. His primary duties for the network include play-by-play commentary for golf, but he also does occasional play-by-play commentary for The AFL on NBC and Notre Dame football. Hicks was also a play-by-play man for The NBA on NBC, and The NFL on NBC, and was a tower announcer for NBC's golf coverage until Dick Enberg left NBC for CBS in 2000, promoting Hicks to the top spot. Hicks also hosts NBC's annual winter sports special, Ice. He is married to Hannah Storm.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

HE talked about the wrong person this time. And Her father use to be the commisioner of the ABA back in the day. She is a Princess in their world....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Not a good sign inasmuch as "the previous management team" kind of sucked, espec in the area of draft and talent evaluation.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:21 AM

Huh? I thought they did a good job of evaluating talent but a poor job of selecting players with their "best player available" philosophy. They brought in some good talent in late rounds and free agents. The Redskins practice squad got raided fairly regularly. This ability to find late round players is essential this year with the deep draft that will push some good talent into the free agency pool.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Not a good sign inasmuch as "the previous management team" kind of sucked, espec in the area of draft and talent evaluation. However, Shan can always call in independent evaluators such as Scouts Inc and others to get additional intel. In this day and age of outsourcing does it really make any sense to put a lot of $$$ into a talent scout dept when there are independent outfits that specialize in talent evaluation?

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:21 AM

I think you are wrong here...The scouting department don't make the picks.....They just scout and give recomendations.

Either way, scouting departments aren't fired until after the draft...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

..Remember...She has powerful Husband with connections.......He's waaaay more important than Tony K....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:09 AM |

I doubt that Dan Hicks has that much clout. He annouces golf for crissakes. On the other hand, ESPN, having a cock hold on the immensely valuable young male demographic and looking for ever more power and prestige, would prob be out courting the young female demographic and in this regard how it treats the Hannah Storm incident is very important. ESPN needs to been seen in the eyes of young women as doing everthing in its power to promote and advance the few visible broads it does have and having a bald-headed pencil-neck geek like Kornheiser take pot shots at Storm is not the way to do it.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

ESPN needs to been seen in the eyes of young women as doing everthing in its power to promote and advance the few visible broads it does have and having a bald-headed pencil-neck geek like Kornheiser take pot shots at Storm is not the way to do it.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:34 AM

ESPN could care less what young women think. They're not trying to run tampon commercials.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

red, I indeed strongly dislike MW, however I don't have any exposure to Cowhed, so I don't follow, nor do I care to...

at least Len Shapiro had the seeds to say in an SI piece that he wished he had taken more time to get all the facts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

ls, just sold the last cred to te...he paid in cash....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:27 AM

That worthless toad has been off the blog for six months and suddenly he gets cred? Man, I can't make this stuff up. But you sure can.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

... I'd rather have my wisdom teeth extracted via my ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:17 AM

This is very powerful metaphor and visually striking image ... which means I'm going to plagiarize it with abandon and use it like I made it up myself. [I will reimburse in full, of course ... with bonus point and blog cred, assuming anyone has any I could borrow.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

4th, is Sage Steele married to your mancrush, the head of the RNC?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

HE talked about the wrong person this time. And Her father use to be the commisioner of the ABA back in the day. She is a Princess in their world....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:31 AM


I knew her dad was the ABA commish back in the day, but I wouldn't go as far as to say she's a made (wo)man because her hubby is a golf announcer. I think people love her because she's easy on the eyes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

ESPN could care less what young women think. They're not trying to run tampon commercials.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 10:39 AM |

Not true. They carry womens' sports like the WNBA and college softball, stuff that no self-respecting male would watch. They dropped the NHL, the sport that appeals the most to the atavistic, knuckle-dragging elements of the male psyche.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Coinky dink Sween on the Last Name......Sage Steele is the daughter of Gary Steele, who was the first African-American to play varsity football at West Point during the mid 1960s.[1] Her brother Chad is the Media Relations Director for the Baltimore Ravens football team.[2] She and her husband Jonathan Bailey have three children.

@Beans - What Res said is true about Cowherd...I was listening to it live as it was happening....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

From WaPo:

"Since arriving in Washington, Shanahan hasn't made any changes to the team's scouting department, which means he'll be relying on reports generated by talent evaluators installed by the previous management team."

Not a good sign inasmuch as "the previous management team" kind of sucked, espec in the area of draft and talent evaluation. However, Shan can always call in independent evaluators such as Scouts Inc and others to get additional intel. In this day and age of outsourcing does it really make any sense to put a lot of $$$ into a talent scout dept when there are independent outfits that specialize in talent evaluation?

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:21 AM
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being once involved in the periphery of this side of the biz.. If you change the Front Office at the end of the reg season (new HC). You certainly dont blow up the Scouting Dept before the Draft and you even try to keep some vestiges (usually in house) thereafter until the day after the trading deadline. Thus, scouting personnel changes may happen, at the Park, after the Draft (regional college scouts) and again in October (in house FA scouts).
You dont disperse your IP to your competition when there is still value.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 24, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Bean - are you anti-Wilbon just because of the ST business?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Bean, if you can't listen to Cowherd consider yourself lucky. As far sports talk radio goes he's got to be the biggest a-hole on air.

And he looks like he might be kin to Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I knew her dad was the ABA commish back in the day, but I wouldn't go as far as to say she's a made (wo)man because her hubby is a golf announcer. I think people love her because she's easy on the eyes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:51 AM |

I didn't follow her career but wasn't she at one point on a fast track to be like the anchor for the Today show or the nightly news and then she just kind of faded away.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Colin Cowherd should be shot while he is at home sleeping in his bedroom....i will spit in his face if i ever get the opportunity


that being said

bring us dunta robinson danny!!!!!!!!!! front load his contract for this year as much as the NFL allows!! exile the stone handed retard!!!

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ryp, yeah, he became a First Class POS with his comments as far as I was concerned......

wait, aren't you supposed to be in rehab?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think people love her because she's easy on the eyes.
Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse
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Hannah Storm?

Posted by: clark202 | February 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Casey Wiegmann to replace Rabach???? Sounds good to me!!!!!

Posted by: Lipty | February 24, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Bean - are you anti-Wilbon just because of the ST business?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 10:55 AM

I quit on Wilbon because he quit on who he is ... when he ditched the glasses. I have the vision of an earthworm and embrace the eyeglasses culture. I've nearly blinded myself with my paws poking contacts onto my peepers or leaving them in till they became the gluely boogers little kids rub out of their eyes in the morning. The anti-glassesite Wilbon is dead to me.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

4th, is Sage Steele married to your mancrush, the head of the RNC?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2010 10:47 AM |

She could be on the cover of Vogue or Vanity Fair, couldn't she.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

...And Her father use to be the commisioner of the ABA back in the day. She is a Princess in their world....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2010 10:31 AM

Is her dad the guy that got eaten by the bear at the end of Semi-Pro?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 24, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Casey Wiegmann to replace Rabach???? Sounds good to me!!!!!

Posted by: Lipty | February 24, 2010 11:00 AM

Yeah, let's replace a 33-year-old with a 36-year-old. We don't have to pay these guys' health expenses because Medicare will cover it.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

From WaPo:

"Since arriving in Washington, Shanahan hasn't made any changes to the team's scouting department, which means he'll be relying on reports generated by talent evaluators installed by the previous management team."

Not a good sign inasmuch as "the previous management team" kind of sucked, espec in the area of draft and talent evaluation. However, Shan can always call in independent evaluators such as Scouts Inc and others to get additional intel. In this day and age of outsourcing does it really make any sense to put a lot of $$$ into a talent scout dept when there are independent outfits that specialize in talent evaluation?

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 10:21 AM |
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I don't think the scouting org was messed up. They couldn't help that Vinny chose linebackers, fullbacks and the like instead of o-linemen. Of the guys brought in from free agency and the later rounds of the draft, I think the hit rate has been pretty good - it just hasn't been directed to positions of need. I don't think that falls on the scouting org.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 24, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

as far as last scout team. Did they have bad data? or was the data just misused?... big question.

Why do we have to re-hash ST? The man did not do enough to protect himself & his family. Was too caught up in staying with his-own. The same mess caught up Harrison, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Casey Wiegmann to replace Rabach???? Sounds good to me!!!!!

Posted by: Lipty | February 24, 2010 11:00 AM

Yeah, let's replace a 33-year-old with a 36-year-old. We don't have to pay these guys' health expenses because Medicare will cover it.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 11:06 AM

Seriously. Wiegman and the broncos interior line is getting alot of the blame for their running game problems last year. Of course the new regime probably wouldn't want to blame their prize rookie rb just yet.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Why do we have to re-hash ST? The man did not do enough to protect himself & his family. Was too caught up in staying with his-own. The same mess caught up Harrison, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:10 AM

Really?? Did that come out right?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Colin Cowherd is awful. The ST business aside, his rants on the radio are ridiculous. He finds a position on a topic and just drones on about it as if the more times he says it the more it becomes the truth - same with Jim Rome.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey needa,

when u changin' to HAVA?

good point, btw.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

um - yeah?

Harrison went back to his old neighborhood and got caught in a gun fight with a local dealer.

ST stayed in his old neighborhood and partied with his murderer.

streamlined versions, but accurate.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/24/1324034/jimmy-clausen-pro-cons-from#storyjump

This picture says a lot about Clausen's decision making...I'm hoping they are his relatives.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hey needa,

when u changin' to HAVA?

good point, btw.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:16 AM
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I'm guessing, until proven otherwise (we hope), Allen is a GiMINO ...
GM in name only.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 24, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Bean - its vodk - er, I mean lunch break.

Cowherd is a first class joke on all levels, nothing else need be said.

Wilbon - I always liked him... I always enjoyed his Monday-after columns for the Skins.. his analysis always seemed fair and on point. I was disappointed when he blew up and stopped writing them weeekly for the Post.

However, I strongly disagree with what he said about ST and feel it was way out of line and insensitive. But I still like him overall - I think he's usually on point with his assessments... and he has some cred, the guy has been around forever and he's got MJ and the Prez on speed dial, for cryin out loud... I usually enjoy his and TKs banter too...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

ST stayed in his old neighborhood and partied with his murderer.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:21 AM

Wrong. ST didn't know the kid. A relative invited him to a party at his house. The kid came back to rob his house and ST and family were there.

To say that ST didn't do enough to protect his family is stupid. I guess you could ask him but he died protecting his family.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Man, I love all these sign-so-and-so comments. Crack me up. You know what, guys? You're right: the solution to the Redskins' problems is to sign a bunch of free agents. Why haven't they tried that before?

The Redskins don't need a winning season. You sign a bunch of veteran FAs, and what you're committing yourself to is the faint hope of having one great season, and then needing to do the whole thing all over again. Spending each offseason trying to have one great season is exactly how they became one of the laughingstocks of professional sports. What the Redskins need is a mature, patient, systematic approach to personnel that can keep them competitive for the foreseeable future. Instead of gunning for every next Super Bowl at all costs, they should be aiming to implement a personnel system that will continually build and replenish a competitive core that keeps them in the mix of contenders every season. That is to say: draft draft draft.

Here's a good litmus test to use for player acquisition: if you know his name because of what he's done for another NFL team, the Redskins shouldn't be going after him. Established NFL players are nearly always more motivated and more productive on the teams that drafted them, rather than the team that threw a huge FA contract at them, and they're always more valuable to the team that drafted them as well.

Posted by: manalive | February 24, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

How do we get from bad to good and from good to great?

I don't think we can ever be great (Super Bowl) with Jason Campbell as the QB, but I do think we can get to good relatively quickly with him.

This is a bad team with a lot of old players. Not a great combination to have.

I think you build the OL and the support, then find the QB who fits into that. In most cases (without absolutely dominant turnover creating D), I don't think you win the Super Bowl without a good to great QB. At the same time, I don't think you even make the playoffs without at least decent team around a QB.

Look at Carson Palmer. That guy is a pretty good QB and has panned out fairly well. I think we'd all certainly trade Campbell for him and he was a better prospect coming out than either of the top guys in this years draft. But how often has he been to the playoffs? The years he's been healthy they're barely a .500 football team.

Posted by: manifested | February 24, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/24/1324034/jimmy-clausen-pro-cons-from#storyjump

This picture says a lot about Clausen's decision making...I'm hoping they are his relatives.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2010 11:23 AM


LOL...even funnier is the fact he has a #7 dogtag and has two dogs flanking him that combine for about a 7...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/24/1324034/jimmy-clausen-pro-cons-from#storyjump

This picture says a lot about Clausen's decision making...I'm hoping they are his relatives.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2010 11:23 AM

I kinda get a Ryan Leaf vibe from this kid.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

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