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Betts, Cartwright give Redskins a foundation

I was on record as saying I didn't think the Redskins would win another game this season -- and I'm really glad I was wrong.

The Redskins defeated the Denver Broncos, 27-17, at FedEx Field to end their losing streak at four games, and it was great to see hard-working running backs Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright play such huge roles. Betts rushed for a season-high 114 yards, had a solid 4.4-yard average and scored the go-ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter.

Cartwright usually does his best work on special teams, but with Clinton Portis sidelined by a concussion, Cartwright also was heavily involved in the running game, contributed 41 yards and a 4.6-yard average. "You feel good for Ladell and Rock because both of them really got it going for us," quarterback Jason Campbell said. "We relied on those guys and they came through. But it's not surprising at all because you know how hard those guys work and you see it every day."

The Redskins finished with 174 yards rushing behind a patchwork offensive line that included new starting left tackle Levi Jones. Sure, Washington caught a break when Broncos starting quarterback Kyle Orton did not return after halftime and backup QB Chris Simms struggled (3 for 13, 13 yards, one interception).

But the bottom line is the bottom line: The Redskins won. Now, there's finally something upbeat to write about again and the NFC East is getting interesting with the Eagles and Cowboys losing this weekend. Oh, and it's Dallas week. Anyone up for two in a row?

Speaking of the Cowboys...

Over at the Bog, Dan Steinberg notes that Mike Sellers dropped a "Cowgirls" reference.

Chat today

Cindy Boren steps up at 11:30 to discuss all things Redskins and NFL. ... Mike Wilbon follows in the Chat House around 1:15. ... And, if it's Monday, it's time to tweet your Redskins Insider podcast questions to @RedskinsInsider. (Feel free to commend the lone podcaster who defiantly said that the Redskins would win again this season.)

By Jason Reid  |  November 16, 2009; 6:34 AM ET
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yay for the win... boo for being thrown out for having a cerrato sucks tshirt on! yay for pg county pd letting me back in

Posted by: franky4fingers | November 16, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

RomoLongballs,

Did I say talent_evaluator? *chuckle*

I meant Ifthethundadoesn'tgetya.

I've never understood changing the name of your original handle? Have you?

Posted by: Vicc | November 15, 2009 10:31 PM |

Have you noticed a lot of handles that end in "1" like beantowngreg1? If you forget your password and no longer have the email id linked to your handle when you created it, then you are verscrewed. You are blocked from using your handle anymore and have to make a slight change like adding a "1" at the end if you want to continue to post as you were known in the past. Otherwise, since adding a 1 at the end of the handle is kind of cheesy, you go with a completely new handle and start life all over again on RI. Or you can lead the life of a troll, posting with a number of different handles, allowing you to pick and chose what personality you want to have when you post - flamer, provocateur, schmoozer, expositor, elaborator, adviser, etc.

Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Cartwright's and Betts performances shouldn't be a big suprise. Betts was a beast in 2006 when given the opportunity and I still remember Cartwright's 100yd game against the Rams in 2005. So now we'll have posters switching from "trade Betts" to trade Portis. It's always someone, a vicious, never ending Madden fantasy, lol.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 16, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Best part of the Boswell column:

"Betts has never broken a play for more than 27 yards in his career. He plows. On most plays, he actually totals more yardage than Portis. It's a career-long stat fact. The Redskins may actually be a more consistent efficient offense if built around Betts rather than Portis."

Damn right.

Put Portis on IR and roll with Betts the rest of the year. Worst case scenario you still suck. Best case, the offense actually steps up to the 2006 version when Betts was a beast.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

yay for the win... boo for being thrown out for having a cerrato sucks tshirt on! yay for pg county pd letting me back in

Posted by: franky4fingers | November 16, 2009 6:59 AM |

Mr. 4fingers - old Chinese proverb: If you giveth the finger you loseth the finger. Heh, heh.

Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Put Portis on IR and roll with Betts the rest of the year. Worst case scenario you still suck. Best case, the offense actually steps up to the 2006 version when Betts was a beast.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 7:10 AM |

Your thinking is penny wise and pound foolish. Best case scenario you suck and have a good chance at gravving Russell Okung in the 2010 draft. Worst case, the offense actually steps up to the 2006 version when Betts was a beast, you win more games and end up with no chance at all of drafting Okie Okung.

Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if you noticed WaPo.com's Redskins screen but there is a nice picture of Betts blasting through the Bronc's DL on his way to gaining some of the 100+ yds he ran for and guess who is shoving aside #79 to create a big hole for him? None other than the much maligned Chad Rinehart (sp).

Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Your thinking is penny wise and pound foolish. Best case scenario you suck and have a good chance at gravving Russell Okung in the 2010 draft. Worst case, the offense actually steps up to the 2006 version when Betts was a beast, you win more games and end up with no chance at all of drafting Okie Okung.


Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:18 AM


The ultimate loser mentality is that of losing more games to secure a better draft position. You see how well that's working for the Raiders and Lions...

If you have a competent GM (and hopefully Danny will finally wake up and get one this offseason), it doesn't matter where you draft. It's always HOW you draft, not WHERE you draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

it doesn't matter where you draft. It's always HOW you draft, not WHERE you draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 7:36 AM |

Independent of who is doing the drafting, whether it is an idiot or a savant, I suppose you can make the case that you will get better results drafting in the middle of the round rather than at the top of the round. I just don't know how you would do it (make the case).

Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

It would be wise to start by drafting guys you've actually scouted and will actually fit your system, not pick guys that made some really nice highlights you remember seeing one time on SportsCenter. That's a not-so-veiled shot at Danny.

Get a GM. Until that happens, all other talk is moot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

It would be wise to start by drafting guys you've actually scouted and will actually fit your system, not pick guys that made some really nice highlights you remember seeing one time on SportsCenter. That's a not-so-veiled shot at Danny.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 8:01 AM

Maybe you shot at Danny (like that's a first?) but you missed. Remember when Danny and a whole entourage flew out to Oklahoma to work out Malcolm Kelley the day before the draft? So the was scouted and overscouted.

'Skins will never get better until Danny acts like an owner, not a scout.

Posted by: League-Source | November 16, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

'Skins will never get better until Danny acts like an owner, not a scout.

Posted by: League-Source | November 16, 2009 8:10 AM


Agreed. Good win yesterday, but wake me when Danny gets a GM and a clue.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

mr.bells, tubular

"...the offense actually steps up to the 2006 version when Betts was a beast, you win more games and end up with no chance at all of drafting Okie Okung."


What examples of poor line play were evident yesterday that suggest Russell Okung should or will be drafted by the skins' FO?

Okung is coveted by the same people who'll go see "The Blindside" and wonder why Micheal Oher wasn't drafted by the redskins.

Those people are blind to a FO that'll look at yesterday's game tape and find evidence that the line might be okay.

If anything, Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer look like a solution to the 'We need a tackle!' problem.

The broncos' defensive front seven is as fast and aggressive as there is in the league, and Bugel's Boys held up quite well.

Chad Rhinehart played well from what I saw.

Casey Rabach got a great push.

Todd Yoder is a better fullback than Mike Sellars who's a better blocking tight end.

Yes: this is not the best group in the NFL.

But maybe that's because Sherm Lewis showed up and said, "If you've got power run blockers, run with power."

If the line play improves with Jones and Heyer at tackle, Okung won't be a redskin.

But McCoy, Bradford, Pike, Looker or Tebow might be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

And keep runnin' Betts. Nice wake up call to all the Marcus Mason slurpers up here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

How come no one is scoring a major assist to Chris Simms for playing so abysmally? C'mon, the guy stunk up the joint and he had lots of time to throw - especially during the non-prevent phase at the end of the game.

1 - Z out to wring Hall's neck for the stupid lateral. No need for it and could have cost the game had Denver recovered.

2 - It is nice to win. But to call this a great win or a good win shows how starved we are to have any reason to root for our team.

3 - Smoot is the guy that they made Saint DG#28 sit for way back when. A serious upgrade over Rogers. CR should not be resigned under any circumstances especially given his post game comments.

4 - I hope Phil Simms has plenty of green tea today as I am sure he is feeling miserable about his son's performance.

5 - Still will not spend money on the team until Snyder sells or changes his ways.

6 - Even though Simms handed the skins the game, they did have to go out and win it, which they do deserve props for.

7 - Methinks Jason Campbell is not the problem. We are a smashmouth team with smashmouth players and a fan base who loves smashmouth football and long-ball completions. Do not care whether JZ goes, as long as the WCO goes. We need Gibbs ball as that is what won the game yesterday - Betts up the middle.

8 - For all the Heyer bashing, remember, he was an undrafted FA earning the minimum salary. Keep him for depth. He is more competent on the right side than the left and we should not waste his experience. We would not have won Superbowls w/o Raliegh McKenzie and Ed Simmons and the like. That said, I think the fan base will be in open revolt unless multiple OLs are drafted in the high rounds. We don't need no stinking Tebow, we need multiple OLs.

It is nice to have a win. Happy Monday to y'all.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | November 16, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

First post of the week: HTTR! Draft position be dammed, it was great to have a win (and vs a quality opponent at that).

Gives me hope that we'll beat F Dallas at least once, and gives me a reason to pay attention to the games again instead of having them on in the background!

Posted by: REXskins | November 16, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

And keep runnin' Betts. Nice wake up call to all the Marcus Mason slurpers up here.

Posted by: brownwood26


Whatever. Exactly how many carries did Marcus Mason get while he was here? How many yards did Betts have pre CP concussion? It wasn't like Betts was tearing it up while Marcus Mason was on the team.

But yeah go ahead and try and play the "I told you I was right all along" card, EVEN though it can't.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

it doesn't matter where you draft. It's always HOW you draft, not WHERE you draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 7:36 AM |

Independent of who is doing the drafting, whether it is an idiot or a savant, I suppose you can make the case that you will get better results drafting in the middle of the round rather than at the top of the round. I just don't know how you would do it (make the case).

Posted by: TubularBells | November 16, 2009 7:51 AM
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I think it depends on the talent of the individuals coming out that year. Sometimes you'll have four or five guys all clustered together at the top and then a big drop down from there. Sometimes, it seems like the differences between thirty or so players are not huge value-wise, and that is when an opportunistic team can take advantage of trading down, probably with a team that is drafting on need and not on talent available. I'd argue that the year MK, DT and FD were drafted, there was little appreciable difference in value in the entire second round (this is looking before that draft, not two years later). The Redskins had already traded down in that draft, but they probably could have scooped up a few more picks - and still gotten the players they wanted - by trading down even further. Last year, I think the top end of the second round was stout, but there was a big drop in value in the bottom half. Unfortunately, Washington didn't have a pick to bargain with in that round.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey, hats off to the offensive line for their performance yesterday. They were not spectacular, but they were solid, which was a lot better than I thought they would be. LJ really showed something. He and Dockery opened some holes yesterday. I think Heyer looked better being back at right tackle, and Rhinehart had himself a decent game. All-in-all, it was a gutsy performance. Let's hope the success continues with Dallas.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I was one that said cut Betts and Cartwright. It was because they were not fast enough and flashy enough to put Portis on the bench. And certainly Zorn wasn't going to bench him.

But finally, Portis got hurt and they had to play them and we see what average healthy practice everyday running backs can do for your team.

If Portis is healthy next weak and they start him it would be a mistake. Even if Portis plays well it would still be a slap in the face of Betts and Cartwright for they have earned the right to carry the Pigskin next week.

If Portis starts next week it is also a slap in the face of all players who show up for practice every day but are not given a chance to prove they can produce.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

sun shining a little brighter, coffee tastes a little better, and my receding hairline seems to have receded a little less than usual....I had actually forgotten what Mondays were like after a win....

Good win, they used the parts they ALREADY had, which is always nice.

Get Rogers gone however, from his quotes after the game, he's got to go...can't win with guys like that...Blache/Gray/Zorn, someone needs to grow a pair, and inactivate him for a game/rest of the year....Don't want him on this team, Don't need him on this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

If nothing else, I want to see them fighting at Dallas. Yesterday, they playedd with a lot of fight - it was shocking to see fight coming from the 3 amigos! mebbe big al's mom can give a pre-game speech to the team.

That said, this team is flawed in many ways. If Sherman Lewis was calling the power running game (I thought the other Sherman called the runs) then more power to him. I think this is the surprise win quite a few folks were talking about when they predicted 4 wins this season. This team should be able to take it to Dallas and I think we'll all be disappointed if they don't.

Posted by: HughGRection | November 16, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

But yeah go ahead and try and play the "I told you I was right all along" card, EVEN though it can't.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 8:27 AM


Actually, I can...go back and read the stuff I was saying at the beginning of the year when there was this groundswell of "cut Betts/Cartwright" in favor of slappies like Mason and Alridge. I called it crap then and I call it crap now. Betts isn't good as a change of pace guy, he's a guy who's productive if you give him a chance to carry the load. Don't hate because I got confirmation.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

2002 Draft:

Clinton Portis(Pick 51) > Ladell Betts (Pick 56)

Today:

Clinton Portis + 2418 total NFL touches

It's too bad that the Redskins couldn't have just seen that from day 1, or mixed in Betts more.

And I used to dislike Betts...

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | November 16, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I meant

Clinton Portis + 2418 NFL touches is worse than Ladell Betts + 802 NFL touches..maybet he HTML messed it up.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | November 16, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I think we can safely say that Betts is a better running back when he gets a lot of carries. He is not as effective in a third down role. With that being said, I say start Betts and use Portis on third downs, but we all know Portis and Snyder won't let that happen.

Posted by: Redskins001 | November 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I say sit portis until Betts royally screws up (If that happens). I'd rather have 4.4 per carry average than 2 per carry and maybe a 5% chance of Portis breaking one. We need to beat the pukes, I'm just saying.

Posted by: Veretax | November 16, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo and Carter both have played very well all season. First time since we had Dexter and Charles Mann that we generated a consistent pass rush with just our front 4. Orakpo is a beast, but still think he's out of position at SLB. He should be rushing the passer on any passing play and never in coverage. Carter plays the run much better this year and seems to benefit from the attention on Haynesworth.

Speaking of Haynesworth, the man was tough enough to come back after spraining his ankle, but it appears a lot of his injuries are due to poor conditioning as much as anything. There have been at least 5 games this year where he had to be helped off the field and returned later.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It would be wise to start by drafting guys you've actually scouted and will actually fit your system, not pick guys that made some really nice highlights you remember seeing one time on SportsCenter. That's a not-so-veiled shot at Danny.

Get a GM. Until that happens, all other talk is moot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

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When they were going through the starters for the Colts-Pats game, I couldn't help but notice how many Colts came from schools off the beaten path, and 2 even named high schools. This comes from having a great GM, and I'd say get Chris Poilan thinking the nut hasn't fallen far from the tree.

Posted by: Ireland2 | November 16, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

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