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Betts has torn ACL and MCL

Although the Redskins have not yet reviewed the results of Ladell Betts's MRI that was scheduled this morning, they believe he has suffered torn anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments and will undergo season-ending surgery, a league source said.

The source, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to comment on the team's medical dealings, stressed that the severity of Betts's knee injury -- suffered in the first quarter of Sunday's 7-6 loss to the Dallas Cowboys -- could not accurately be determined until medical personnel reviewed the MRI exam. But the Redskins suspected Betts had multiple torn ligaments after he was removed from the game, and Coach Jim Zorn after the game revealed that Betts, at the very least, tore his MCL.

With top running back Clinton Portis already ruled out of the upcoming game against the Philadelphia Eagles and Betts expected to be sidelined for the team's final six games, the Redskins are expected to sign another running back. And although Zorn said the team, as of Sunday, had no plans to place Portis on the season-ending injured-reserve list, it might be wise for them to consider doing so because of the lingering vision problems he has had since suffering a concussion in the Nov. 8 loss to the Atlanta Falcons.

By Jason Reid  |  November 23, 2009; 10:07 AM ET
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First??

Posted by: gixxer998 | November 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Well good news jersey no 46 is going to be available for some rookie next year.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

I agree that Dallas is a weak 7-3.

I still think Minnesota has the best team in the NFC right now.

I'm not totally sold on New Orlans yet. It will be interesting to see how the Saints do against New England this week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Put Portis on IR. It is not worth it bringing him back this year. Let him get healed up, and we'll see what next year brings if Portis is still on the team.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

IR Betts/Portis/Rhino/Cooley, bring in Mason, and a bunch of others. sigh...oh well I guess....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

how can you not be sold on New Orleans?

Personally I would love to see New Orleans vs Indy in a battle of 18-0 teams for the super bowl!

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I would never wish injury on a player, but, there is a silver lining this season.

Considering our season is lost it has forced us to get guys like Fred Davis in the offense and show he can be productive. It has shown that we do have a running game without Portis. Hopefully Marcus Mason or whomever else they bring back in (Alridge?) will continue that trend.

Nice to see the young WRs to start contributing! This shows we DO NOT need Randle-El next season.

I'm not sure the offensive line has shown many positives, especially considering Rhino is now out.

Washington Redskins, always building for next season!

Posted by: isnadd | November 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

At this rate it'll be hilarious to see what kind of team we field in SD in Week 17. Maybe some of the scrubs on the defensive line can play O-Line...

This feels like an extra-innings baseball game where the manager runs out of pitchers and throws an outfielder out there for an inning or two to lob up 70 MPH fastballs...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Isnadd, good point. What are peoples evaluation on the 2nd rounders.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

al, I disagree about the team cutting betts, I think they finally have realized that he's a viable player, and had they been utilizing him more often, they might have had more success this season. Same with Rock, no reason he wasn't getting carries/catches....hopefully we get a coach in here who stops the pipeline of players going up the back steps to the owner....This is what ultimately was the undoing of Pete Carroll in NE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Greg,
I like betts, but if its an ACL and MCL for a running back over 30, the issue is a question of healing, that could be a career ender.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

al, the 2nd rounders need to get thrown the ball at least 5 times per game....as well as get the ball thrown to them on BACK to BACK plays...you gotta dance with who you brung...the last 2 games MK has 54 yards on 2 catches...wouldn't it make sense to get him the ball more??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Neither Indy or NO is going 10-0. NO is probably losing this week, and Indy has been flirting with losses for 5 weeks running.

Is there another team in the league that plays football as scared as us? I swear, its like were playing TO lose. Every other team in the league is playing 2 down territory on that 3rd and 2 from the 33. Instead, we run straight into the line.

The game could have been WON right there with a little creativity. A BOOTLEG?!?!? End around?? Quick hitch??? No, we run it straight into the line.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

al, this is the same thing that Brady had last year, Betts might be 30 in age, but he's not anywhere close to that in mileage/carries....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Just so long as NOBODY pretends that the Skins are 3-7 because of injuries. That's a recipe for avoiding hiring a real GM.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

how can you not be sold on New Orleans?

Personally I would love to see New Orleans vs Indy in a battle of 18-0 teams for the super bowl!

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse


The Saints have a nasty habit of falling behind early and then staging an incredible comeback.

I'm not sure that will work against the Vikings.

That said, Brett Favre is prone to throwing 5 interceptions in playoff games so that will definitely be one to watch when the day comes.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

With 6 minutes to play yesterday was there a doubt in ANYONE'S mind how that game was going to play out? It was soooo predictable, it felt like deja vu when it happened b/c it had already played oyt in my mind.
Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 9:31 AM


I was thinking the same thing. It was just like almost every game we played against dallas when they had that stretch where they beat us 15 out 16 times…..knew it was coming when there was only 6 points on the board. Just when I thought to myself, oh yeah, we only need a FG to take the lead back, Campbell got picked off. And as usual, Giants win, Cowboys win, Eagles win……skins lose.

I thought Campbell and most of the offense gave a very good effort. One pick at the end isn’t going to make me say he played poorly. I think that this loss falls on the coach. Too conservative once they got into FG range. That 3rd and 1 or 2 with the draw to Rock was the worst thing I’ve seen in quite some time…..they need to let them audible….period. EVERYONE knew it was gonna be a run. Then he assumes Suisham can make a 50 yarder….he’s had a good year but we all know he’s got maybe a 1 in 5 (at best) shot from 50 yds. Defense played their butts off, but just let it slip through their fingers. Orakpo came so close to getting sacks so many times, but Romo was just too slippery.

Tough loss, but like CL said, I seemed to feel that it was coming. Good to see that they haven’t quit, but let’s see some m ore youngsters…..time to take it to Philly.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Betts is done.

It's too bad Gibbs and Zorn never tried to put together a running game that was able to get Portis, Betts, and Rock involved. Instead they just ran Portis into the ground.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Just so long as NOBODY pretends that the Skins are 3-7 because of injuries. That's a recipe for avoiding hiring a real GM.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse


I think we were 2-4 against the league's worst teams before the injury-bug really hit.

Of course this group seems capable of convincing themselves of anything...

Like BMW is tantamount to "addressing" Oline needs

Like Randle El still gives us the best option at punt-return

Like we have a playoff-caliber roster

Posted by: p1funk | November 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Here we go...next round of Mason slurping from RI Nation.

Rock had a nice game yesterday and has earned the right to start and get the majority of the touches. I just love how this team overreacts and scrambles like chicken with their heads cut off whenever a RB gets hurt, but they don't even bat an eye when an O-lineman gets hurt. SO ass-backwards...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Original_etrod, Rypien11,
I am just saying I would like to see it, just to see them stick it to the 72 phins, to the Belecheat Pats and to the NFL's complete and utter failure of the salary cap/ free agency system.

The lock in of a perfect season being played for by 2 teams would create the biggest superbowl of all time. I mean come on it would be epic.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

After yesterday, how many games have the Redskins lost because of Jim Zorn's game management? 4? 5?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm not sure it qualifies as "slurping" or "overreacting and scrambling" since the team is down to only 2 running backs on the roster.

Doesn't it make sense to bring in the guy who already knows the playbook as the 3rd back? Alridge is a possibility, too.

A lineman needs to come in as well because there will be to roster spots open this week.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else think DT looked like he could be a beast returning kickoffs? Where has that been?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | November 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Just so long as NOBODY pretends that the Skins are 3-7 because of injuries. That's a recipe for avoiding hiring a real GM.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think everytime we mention the injuries we should do it in an elaborate drawn out way like Collinsworth talks about Jay Cutler. Collinsworth refers to him as "Jay cutler who is a franchise quarterback" instead of just simply Jay Cutler. Instead of just saying "we've had some injuries" we'll say "we've had some injuries to our 30+ year old players that should have had reliable backups but the GM blew those draft picks on bad trades". That way we don't act like it was accidental. We then put the blame on Vinny for not having a backup plan for Samueles, Thomas, Jansen and Portis/Betts.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

After yesterday, how many games have the Redskins lost because of Jim Zorn's game management? 4? 5?
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I am gonna give the benefit of the doubt and say he lost 3.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

rupert, we've been screaming for that for weeks now...along with getting betts more playing time, throwing the ball to the kids, I mean there's a laudry list of things that somehow the coach of the team isn't able to figure out.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"...disagree about the team cutting betts....Same with Rock..."

Let's play King Solomon here.

Do you cut two players you may possibly need?

Remember: Clinton Portis will be a redskin next season.

He will start.

So what becomes of his two very capable understudies?

Do you keep two 30 year old backs as back ups in a league where youth and speed is everything?

And given Portis' recent injury history and obvious loss of speed, do you 'hang on' to two guys who are at that tipping point year of 30 where running backs are about as useful as a steak dinner in India?

Me?: I go with youth and speed.

I take a running back in the 1st round whose speed and dynamic ability makes him a threat in ways neither Rock or Betts can.

Which means no matter how well they play, I cut the both of them in the name of drafting Portis' replacement.

So this King Solomon cuts Rock and Betts and so he can say CJ Spiller is mine.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else think DT looked like he could be a beast returning kickoffs? Where has that been?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | November 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I liked it but I also like Thomas as a receiver these days. He has started to show a ability to get open when the play breaks down and Jason is scrambling. Something Moss and El, don't do.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The FO is to blame for this mess, They need a REAL GM, who will hire a REAL COACH. But can we First PLEASE FIRE VINNY !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

With 6 minutes to play yesterday was there a doubt in ANYONE'S mind how that game was going to play out? It was soooo predictable, it felt like deja vu when it happened b/c it had already played oyt in my mind.
Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 9:31 AM

No doubt. Defense was expected, I geuss, to hold Dallas to Zero points. And they failed. (note: all sarcasim).

Then I started thinking, 'Do we have any Timeouts left?' Of course not, this is a Zorn Football, where timeouts are secondary concerns....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

anybody ever seen the movie the replacements???

where is keanu reeves when we need him...probably on some stupid speeding bus...

Posted by: carsonspence | November 23, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

moe, drafting RB in the first is like putting 38DD implants on Rosie O'donnell, just wrong, on every single LEVEL...how well is he gonna play, when there are no holes to open up....Draft OL first 3 picks. Get portis in shape. Carries get shared among Rock/CP/Betts. If CP don't like it, then he can buy his way outta here....you could put APeterson behind this line, and he'd look slow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This was the biggest moment in the game. PERIOD.

Talk about icing the kicker By David Elfin on Nov. 22, 2009 into Redskins 360
SubscribeShaun Suisham waited and waited and waited through numerous discussions between the officials and the coaches. When he finally attempted a 39-yard field goal, he missed for the first time since last December.

Suisham had made 14 in a row, 13 this year.

Thanks to his earlier kick, it's Redskins 3, Cowboys 0 at halftime.

- David Elfin

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

moe, drafting RB in the first is like putting 38DD implants on Rosie O'donnell, just wrong, on every single LEVEL...how well is he gonna play, when there are no holes to open up....Draft OL first 3 picks. Get portis in shape. Carries get shared among Rock/CP/Betts. If CP don't like it, then he can buy his way outta here....you could put APeterson behind this line, and he'd look slow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Betts, two torn ligaments at his age.........he'll never be a decent back again. He was already not the fastest guy in the world

Posted by: rupertpupkin | November 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I know you guys don't like Daly, but this was good portion of his story:

"
Asked where he'd place Sunday's heartbreaker on his all-time list of bang-your-head-against-the-wall games, London Fletcher took a deep breath and said: "I've played a lot of games, so it's kind of hard to rank 'em right now. But it's gotta be in the top two or three. The way we battled today..."

If there were such a thing as an "unearned loss" in football, this one would qualify for the Redskins. Taking division-leading Dallas down to the final minutes with such a depleted roster - Albert Haynesworth and Clinton Portis were already sitting out before Betts (sprained MCL) and Rinehart (fractured fibula) joined them - has to be one of the high points of Jim Zorn's two-year term.

The Snydermen outplayed the Cowboys most of the way, much to the dissatisfaction of the 85,277 at Jerry Jones' new pleasure palace. It's as if they've become inoculated against misfortune, having had so much experience with it. When Betts went down, they simply tightened their chin straps and turned to their Rock of Cartwright. When Rinehart was wheeled off, they plugged in undrafted rookie Edwin Williams - and kept moving the ball against a pretty fair Dallas defense.
"
............................................

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/23/dan-daly-this-defeat-certainly-fits-the-mold-for-r/

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

WE Have so many NEEDS next year because of Vinny's poor team building , not just OL, RB, QB, DL, K, CB, SSL, SAFTY, and yes a COACH/GM ! F VINNY

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 23, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else think DT looked like he could be a beast returning kickoffs? Where has that been?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | November 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I liked it but I also like Thomas as a receiver these days. He has started to show a ability to get open when the play breaks down and Jason is scrambling. Something Moss and El, don't do.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 10:44 AM

Agree 100%. DT's got the size and speed to break tackles and get yards after the catch. They have to find a way to get him more touches.

Posted by: skinswest | November 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Betts, two torn ligaments at his age.........he'll never be a decent back again. He was already not the fastest guy in the world

Again, same injury as Brady, give it 6 months, and he'll be running again, your claim of him never being a decent back again is just very, very premature....he's got hardly any mileage on him....if he gets his knee right, there is no reason he can be the same back he was...

here's a novel concept, instead of using a draft pick on a RB, lets actually use the RB's that are on the roster...you know like not having the 2nd string rb go 8 games into teh season before he gets 20 carries COMBINED for the year....kind of the same thing with fred davis, who whaddya know,when given the chance suddenly its like the playbook was just resorbed into his mind....or is it that the coaching staff sucks, and can't see the forest for the trees.....you tell me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm on record as saying we should get an LT in the 1st, then trade 2011's #1st and Betts or another RB on the roster for a late 1st rounder in 2010 to pick up a stud RB, then use 2nd round for more OL, 4th for C/G, 6th and 7th for more Oline and depth.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

sigh......you just can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

TDawg,
I dunno about that, the idea of trading a pick from next year screams of mortgaging the future again.

I would rather trade back our high pick for a late first and some other picks this draft.

We need to do what KC did 2 seasons ago and dallas did this year. Load up on draft picks. At this point it does not matter so much as what round. But if we are drafting high, we need to turn a high first and a high second into 5 picks or so and go into the draft with 10+.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse


moe, drafting RB in the first is like putting 38DD implants on Rosie O'donnell, just wrong, on every single LEVEL...how well is he gonna play, when there are no holes to open up....Draft OL first 3 picks. Get portis in shape. Carries get shared among Rock/CP/Betts. If CP don't like it, then he can buy his way outta here....you could put APeterson behind this line, and he'd look slow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Betts, two torn ligaments at his age.........he'll never be a decent back again. He was already not the fastest guy in the world

Posted by: rupertpupkin | November 23, 2009 10:53 AM

Yeah, it sucks for Betts to get hurt two games into his starting role. I don't see how they don't draft a running back next year though. I just hope they wait until the later rounds. OL seems like the much bigger need to address in the early round(s).

Posted by: skinswest | November 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Again, same injury as Brady, give it 6 months, and he'll be running again, your claim of him never being a decent back again is just very, very premature....he's got hardly any mileage on him....if he gets his knee right, there is no reason he can be the same back he was...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The comparison between Betts and Brady ends at them suffering similar injuries.

Brady's recovery and play is not evidence that a 30yr RB will be able to recover and play well.

QB an RB are two completely different positions.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 23, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I think they need to reload a bit at RB given age/injuries and similar abilities of current batch...BUTT no first day draft picks should be used at RB...

Lots of guys around the league who could help via mid-level free agency, or deep scouting in draft. A Good (cough) GM can rebuild RB pool without spending the big resource....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

str8, agree to disagree on this, betts had not even 1/2 the carries that most backs his age have....I just think that calling it a career for this guy is a little premature...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

BUTT no first day draft picks should be used at RB - bingo....

I mean it turns out that we had 3 viable guys who could run the ball on the roster already, and just never realized it...or took advantage of it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Even if Betts can recover it's not worth it he's 30, cartwright is 30, portis 28, sellars 35.

I've loved the guy from day 1, but it's a young man's game and a business.

Our RB's need to get younger as a group and it's survival of the fittest.

That's 2 years in a row that Bett's has gotten hurt

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 23, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm not sure it qualifies as "slurping" or "overreacting and scrambling" since the team is down to only 2 running backs on the roster.

Doesn't it make sense to bring in the guy who already knows the playbook as the 3rd back? Alridge is a possibility, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 10:38 AM


You can use Sellers as a RB too. I wouldn't do it for more than a few short yardage plays, but it's doable.

This team is in dire need of OL help and THAT should be the focus, not chasing RBs on a team that doesn't run enough and plays from behind anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

After a few hours of sleep, and time to calm down all I have is,

F zorn

F dallas

in that order.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Again, same injury as Brady, give it 6 months, and he'll be running again,

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Dude Brady is not known to be a scrambler, and he plays QB not RB... here is a story on the effect of this injury on WR/RBs

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-11/vumc-pow113006.php


"Of the injured players, 21 percent (7 of 33 ACL injuries) never returned to play in another regular season NFL game. Of the 79 percent that did return, most players returned to action 9 to 12 months after an ACL injury.

For those players who returned to NFL action following an ACL injury, performance fell by one-third, the researchers found. Power rating per game played decreased from 9.9 pre-injury to 6.5 post-injury. This decline in player production was statistically significant when compared to the 146 players in the control group."

I am looking for the report itself for better data.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree , do NOT trade away the 2011 1st round pic, just bad carma,its like asking Vinny to run the draft next year, So Lame.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 23, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

This team is in dire need of OL help and THAT should be the focus, not chasing RBs on a team that doesn't run enough and plays from behind anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 11:10 AM

Not understanding why they can't do both. IR the following players: CR, CP, LB & CC.

Bring in one back and three OL.

Why is that not possible?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I never understood why Betts and Cartwright weren't getting more touches all along.

It has to be Danny, because it doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Lots of guys around the league who could help via mid-level free agency, or deep scouting in draft. A Good (cough) GM can rebuild RB pool without spending the big resource....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:06 AM


Exactly.

You saw how well Rock played yesterday. He's a 7th rounder. Brandon Jacobs in NY is a 4th rounder. I believe Stephen Davis was a 4th rounder as well. There's no reason why this team can't load up on line help and corner depth early in the draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I think they need to reload a bit at RB given age/injuries and similar abilities of current batch...BUTT no first day draft picks should be used at RB...

Lots of guys around the league who could help via mid-level free agency, or deep scouting in draft. A Good (cough) GM can rebuild RB pool without spending the big resource....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hit the nail on the head there, I think. You can always get a good RB in FA or later on in the draft. I can't remember exactly, but wasn't Ray Rice on the Ravens taken in the 3rd round? Just one example...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

TDawg,
I dunno about that, the idea of trading a pick from next year screams of mortgaging the future again.

I would rather trade back our high pick for a late first and some other picks this draft.

We need to do what KC did 2 seasons ago and dallas did this year. Load up on draft picks. At this point it does not matter so much as what round. But if we are drafting high, we need to turn a high first and a high second into 5 picks or so and go into the draft with 10+.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I hear you, Alex, and it is indeed mortgaging the future. But imagine what would happen if we had a dominant new, young LT (backed up by Levi Jones), a new RT (backed up by Stephon Heyer and Mike Williams), a new C (backed up by Casey Rabach/ Will Montgomery), and a new RG via free agency. If Campbell sucked under those circumstances and WITH a running game supported by a new stud RB and Portis as a back-up, well-- then, I'll fully shut my mouth. Campbell doesn't have to be Peyton Manning; he needs to manage games. We have the talent, we just don't have the time for the QB to succeed.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 23, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Not understanding why they can't do both. IR the following players: CR, CP, LB & CC.

Bring in one back and three OL.

Why is that not possible?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:13 AM


Because that would make sense.

Portis should have been put on IR after last week's game. Cooley should have been put on IR immediately. These are no-brainers and this team failed to do it. What makes you think they'll do the right thing now?

They're gonna tie up roster spots on guys they hope to bring back to play out the string. For what? This is an opportunity to see what you have in the young guys and they're blowing it AGAIN.

So when I try to predict what the Redskins are gonna do, I just envision the stupidest thing possible. Sad part is when I do that, I'm usually right.

That's why I'm telling Skins fans go ahead and pre-order their Sam Bradford jerseys.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

str8, agree to disagree on this, betts had not even 1/2 the carries that most backs his age have....I just think that calling it a career for this guy is a little premature...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Saying his carrier is over right now would be premature.

I still think that the Redskins need to start looking at RBs.

The challenge is that over the next 2 yrs they will need another quality RB and to rebuild the o-line.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 23, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Fans should remember Ernest Byner - tore his knee up TWICE and Gibbs had him toting the rock for several seasons for the Skins.

The posts are totally devoid of any concern about Betts - just chumps who have never played trying to be the "GM" the day after and talking tough about cutting. Maybe you need to have your boss call you and drop the hammer after you blew up your knees playing touch football in the backyard.

All the talk about CJ Spiller is just nonsense. The lesson here is that teams can prosper in the running game without the need for a "star" RB. The combination of Betts, Cartwright and other role players could have been a very productive unit behind a capable OL. Build the OL first - there are plenty of good RBs to take care of business after that. Witness NE - they never use a "start" RB in their system but get the job done.

Posted by: i155133 | November 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Some thoughts on RB:

We will need a RB for next year. Portis will get hurt again. I think if we have a top 5 we need the best left tackle available. We need either Okung or Bulaga. Then in the second we need another linemen but I could see us taking a RB if Spiller is still there. Running back is interesting this year. There are some really decent late round prospects. We could get a nice running back in the 4th.

Stefan Johnson-dropped a bar on his throat while lifting. Could be good, runs a 4.4 and is over 200 pounds.

LeGarret Blount-4.6 but 240 pounds. Could be good in a scheme in which we just pound the ball.

Lemarcus Coker-Could be good if he can pass a drug test. I think he's playing for the southern Arkansas school for the blind now but at one point in time he had a 4.3 40 time and is over 200 pounds.

Ben Tate-4.4 speed over 200 pounds but played on a crappy offense.

Joe Mcnight- has great measurables too and could be available in the 4th round.

Evan Roster, Toby Gerhardt, Anthony Dixon and Noel Devine could all be vailable in the 4th as well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

They're gonna tie up roster spots on guys they hope to bring back to play out the string. For what? This is an opportunity to see what you have in the young guys and they're blowing it AGAIN.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 11:21 AM

Do you really believe that the coach or the GM give a crap what the young guys can do? They're trying to cobble together a few wins to save their jobs.

I know you don't like it because you don't like anything, but if you'd walk a mile in their shoes you'd realize that they're doing the only thing they can. This is what you get with lame ducks.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, I hear what you're saying and agree that this FO does not do "what makes sense".

That's no reason to call someone a slurper because they make a comment about bringing in Mason. He knows the offense, showed some talent and is a need at RB right now.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"The redskins need to rebuild the o-line"

really all convo should end there....

They have legit players almost everywhere else. If they had consistent oline play you could work with almost everyone else on the roster (especially given change in attitude to playing time....ARE punt returns ect...)

I am not saying you couldn't improve in other areas, but until there is an NFL caliber oline and depth, what does it matter?

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

If the season is really lost, I say stop caring about position and for every IR guy we put down this is the time to sign the best young Free Agent you can find available, and see how he plays.

Example: Why not give a look and see if there is a good Cover LB out there? We have no line backers on this roster that are really solid at covering a TE, most of our LBs are pass rushers/ run stoppers/ tackle after the catch types. Use the rest of this season to find everyone you can use to build a team for next season.

Extended pre-season games as it were.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

" Fans should remember Ernest Byner - tore his knee up TWICE and Gibbs had him toting the rock for several seasons for the Skins."

Dont you mean Terry Allen?

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

You can't compare Brady's injury to Betts.

Yeah true, Betts has very low mileage on him, but Brady doesn't have to make pin point cuts, doesn't have to rely on some sort of speed to break away from defenders.

As someone noted you can't compare QBs and RBs and the like injuries they get.

If a 30 year old RB tears two major ligaments in his knee, his career is probably over. You can same thing about a QB, but replace 'knee' with 'shoulder'.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Just me, but I would stay away from Spiller...could be wrong, but I think he's the next Reggie Bush. Not sure he's an every down back in the NFL. Now, if he turns out to be the next Chris Johnson, feel free to save this post and call me a moron...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Agree alex, start raiding practice squad players to see what hidden gems may be waiting for a smart team to pick-up...

...forgot, this is the skins, oh well...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

General Observations

- Campbell takes 10 seconds to make 5 seconds worth of decisions - put simply, it takes him twice as long as a gifted quarterback to make decisions. Granted, he made a few plays, but nothing remarkable.

- Betts is a gamer. I pray he heals thoroughly and is with us next year.

- Rock - here's your chance! Another true Redskin. Unlike Sheriff Prima Donna.

- It amazes me how you can expect young talent to get used to the pro game if the coaches won't play them. We're seeing a few of the "not ready guys" start to step up and it wasn't just because they were injured. I don't see a lot of player development on this team until forced to play them 'cause there is no one else.

- Rocky needs to stop attending Carlos Rogers' "how to catch a football" camp.

- Run defense without Albert H looks dreadful. Thankfully they tightened that up in time to leak on pass coverage.

- Remember when saving your three time outs for the end of the game used to be a valued trait?

- Where was Jerry Jackass during the Dallas game. We missed nearly four quarters of watching a face lift drop by the minute.

- Small positive - the redskins look like they are improving, but will any of the staff accept that some of the big paycheck guys are the reason for the early slide?

Posted by: laserwizard | November 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

As an aside, seems pretty apparent Les Miles has been reading the Jim Zorn Coaching Manual recently...when I watched that sequence unfold, my first thought was, "That's something the Redskins would do..."

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I hope Betts can come back and be productive. I just think the skins would be foolish to count on that happening. Kind of like going into the season hoping Samuels and Thomas would stay healthy. I think they have to look at drafting a RB at some point next year.

Posted by: skinswest | November 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Who's talking about drafting Spiller?

Balderdash!

I'd rather them draft Taylor Mays or Eric Berry than Spiller.

Just my opinion, but you NEVER take a RB in the first UNLESS he's a Adrian Peterson type. Speed and Power. When Peterson's body begins to fail him and he starts to lose speed, he'll still have the size to just truck you.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I think they need to reload a bit at RB given age/injuries and similar abilities of current batch...BUTT no first day draft picks should be used at RB...

Lots of guys around the league who could help via mid-level free agency, or deep scouting in draft. A Good (cough) GM can rebuild RB pool without spending the big resource....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hit the nail on the head there, I think. You can always get a good RB in FA or later on in the draft. I can't remember exactly, but wasn't Ray Rice on the Ravens taken in the 3rd round? Just one example...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 11:15 AM

Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick and he had a pretty good career.

Runningback is one of the easier positions to find talent at, there are just so many out there. Also, with a good O-Line, even a mediocre runningback can look like a hall of famer.

Posted by: ecale25 | November 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Just me, but I would stay away from Spiller...could be wrong, but I think he's the next Reggie Bush. Not sure he's an every down back in the NFL. Now, if he turns out to be the next Chris Johnson, feel free to save this post and call me a moron...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

After realizing how stacked the 4th round could be I don't think I'd use a first day pick on a Rb in any scenario now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

So lets see what do the skins need (other the o-line depth) that you have a good shot at finding on other practice squads, in the UFL and free agency. That they can start picking up in the next week or so.

My short list on defense is that the team still needs a real Free Safety (so sick of LaRon, who looks like he is unable to put his arms up into a tackle and spears everyone, F***ing bad form). They need a legit cover LB. They have plenty of guys to look at on the line and at corner already.

Offensive guys are gonna be harder to find. Realistically I don't see a lot of hidden QB's or even super start RB's on a lot of practice squads. I may be wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I just love how this team overreacts and scrambles like chicken with their heads cut off whenever a RB gets hurt, but they don't even bat an eye when an O-lineman gets hurt. SO ass-backwards...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 10:32 AM |

So true. Another example is when Philip Daniels went down last year and they panicked and traded for Jason Taylor. Morons.

Posted by: richie_sheppard | November 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Can someone be kind enough to outline what a true Redskin is? Who are they? What do they do?

Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Who Cares? Deadskins suck!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

After realizing how stacked the 4th round could be I don't think I'd use a first day pick on a Rb in any scenario now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 11:39 AM

No first or second day picks on RB this year. Keep in mind that the draft is different this year. 1st rd on Thurs eve, 2nd & 3rd on Fri and 4-7 on Sun.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Can someone be kind enough to outline what a true Redskin is? Who are they? What do they do?

Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like one of those mysteriously undefined categories, like "True Yankees"...seems to me if you're on the payroll and put a uniform on, you're a member of the Washington Redskins...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Who's talking about drafting Spiller?

Balderdash!

I'd rather them draft Taylor Mays or Eric Berry than Spiller.


Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hell to the yeah!

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather them draft Taylor Mays or Eric Berry than Spiller.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 11:38 AM

The thing about Mays is that when I watch USC, he seems to be always a step late. What that means I'm not sure, but he's not making an impact as I thought he would.

Berry is interesting. He's a ballhawk. From what I've been reading, most people think his best position in the pros will be CB. If Carlos is let go this offseason, then Berry would be an interesting prospect if all else fails.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I want to know what a "real fan" is.....seems like there is only one or two up here. I didn't play high school ball, so I will never get to truly be a real fan I suppose.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I got a solid candidate from the UFL De De Dorsey, second most yards in the UFL wit a 6.4 yards per carry

http://www.ufl-football.com/players/profile/797

Posted by: alex35332 | November 23, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, team sucks this year (this decade actually) but this guy had enough talent + character to be a Gibbs style Redskin... had he only come around 10 years before. A guy 30 yrs with a knee injury like that and in an organization so profoundly fubar... Sad to say he's done. I say we let Vinny play halfback from now until Jan.

Posted by: cgaquitaine | November 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The thing about Mays is that when I watch USC, he seems to be always a step late. What that means I'm not sure, but he's not making an impact as I thought he would.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

He's been playing not to get hurt this year because he knows he's got a big payday coming.

You could have said the same thing about Sean Taylor in his last season at the U (mostly the last few games).

Anyone who passes on Mays in the draft will regret it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

No first or second day picks on RB this year. Keep in mind that the draft is different this year. 1st rd on Thurs eve, 2nd & 3rd on Fri and 4-7 on Sun.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I forgot this was the season that the NFL decided to kill it's offseason interest.

NFL Draft 1st round on Thursday-This is a stupid idea. The only reason so many people watch the draft is beacuse it was on a weekend night so they could get hammmered at draft parties. This is why no one likes Thursday football either. You can have Monday because you've done it for so long but don't try to take anymore week nights. Keep football for the weekends.

Moving the pro bowl to Miami-This is stupid because most of the fans that went to the probowl were servicemen and women that didn't get to watch their home teams all year. In Miami no one cares about sports. Now for the NFL players going to Hawaii was cool because the faily gets a week vacation in Hawaii. No one wants to go to Miami. Boooo NFL!!

Thank you NFL, lets keep slapping the fans in the face. You have a great product and are really trying to kill it. Good luck.

No more overseas games
Move the pro bowl back to Hawaii and after the super bowl
Leave the draft alone. Move it back to Friday night. Do the first 3 rounds and limit each first round selection to 10 minutes.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"We will need a RB for next year. Portis will get hurt again. I think if we have a top 5 we need the best left tackle available."

Folks say, "Draft a linemen in round 1!"

Moe says, list the offensive linemen the Wizards of Redskins Park have taken in the top rounds in the space provided:

a.

b.

c.

d.

e. Chad Rhinehart, 3rd round '08 (and he's hurt)

The gang running the team is not going to do what it does not do: spend high picks on offensive linemen.

They'll go the free agent route, find a way to keep Levi Jones, and get some undrafted dudes Bugel will have to groom into players.

Yes: there is the outside shot that Okung will be drafted.

But Ciron Black--OT LSU can be had in the second round and there's not drop off.

or: take Okung 1st, Jacoby Ford-rb Clemson, second.

In any event, the team has let its offense get old upfront and in the backfield.

And to rebuild both, it's going to have to massively change how it does things.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't advocate in picking up anyone from Notre Dame this year. Thier atheletes are just not good this year.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The first and second round should be loaded with offensive tackles and the fourth will be loaded with running backs. It seems like this draft could be very good to us. I wish I was the GM heading into this draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"I wish I was the GM heading into this draft."

That would fit my motto, "anyone but cerrato"

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Mr. Riggins? This is Vinny Cerrato. What kind of shape are you in?

Posted by: TheCork | November 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Do you really believe that the coach or the GM give a crap what the young guys can do? They're trying to cobble together a few wins to save their jobs.

I know you don't like it because you don't like anything, but if you'd walk a mile in their shoes you'd realize that they're doing the only thing they can. This is what you get with lame ducks.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 11:25 AM


Which is why I maintain that this team will never do anything meaningful while that ass-clown Snyder is sitting in the owner's suite.

Lousy ownership aside, if the coaches slowly removed their heads from their asses, they'd see that they're losing WITH those guys. So worst case scenario you're losing with younger players.

What they fail to see is that if you put in the younger guys and they play well, it looks like they're the ones that "coached 'em up" and they get at least another year.

But alas, NO ONE in this organization has the smarts to figure that one out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

are people really talking about drafting a safety with the first round pick?? I mean, if thats not something VC does, I don't know what is....Safety...really, a safety.....yup, thats EXACTLY what this team needs to spend another TOP TEN draft pick on a safety.....wow....I mean...you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I was proud of the team yesterday. They went into Dallas an 11 point dog, and should have won the game. Of course if you can't score you don't win, Offensive line should be the position to concentrate on in the draft. Defense is top 10 quality, but you can't win on defense alone in this league anymore. The 11 points was a gift and I proudly wore my Redskins jersey to the cashiers window.

Posted by: VegasJim | November 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

lavar was proud of them too:

To each his own on this matter, but LaVar Arrington, anyhow, sees hope. Turning his Twitter feed into a real paragraph:

"Redskins lost today but I must admit I was proud of them. They fought their butts off they seem like they are on the right track. Sure, they had missed opportunities, but they should have won that game. First time in a long while I was proud to be a former Skins player. They balled. The defense looked like a living animal. They were having fun."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Bean,

I'm not saying we should draft a safety but if we did draft Taylor Mays, I wouldn't be upset. He's the best player in next year's draft.

The only reason to not take an O lineman in the 1st round is if there is a game changing player there that is too good to pass up.

IMO, that's what Mays is.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

My best wishes are with you Mr. Betts. I had the exact same injury. I was a competitive powerlifter and in great physical shape when it happened. It ruined my leg and any hopes of competing again. This is a "game over" injury. Get ready for retirement. This is not someone thirty years old who depends on their legs can rebound from. I was no right for three years and it is still not 100% five years later.

Posted by: paulb3rd | November 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying we should draft a safety but if we did draft Taylor Mays, I wouldn't be upset. He's the best player in next year's draft.
The only reason to not take an O lineman in the 1st round is if there is a game changing player there that is too good to pass up.
IMO, that's what Mays is.
Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 12:08 PM

My sentiments exactly…..take OL 1st, but if you think you can still get a top round OL in the 2nd, Taylor Mays might be too good to not draft. He’s a Sean Taylor clone…..I wouldn't scream bloody murder for not taking an OL ONLY if they took mays. But if they passed on OL with the 2nd pick I would be rather upset.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like one of those mysteriously undefined categories, like "True Yankees"...seems to me if you're on the payroll and put a uniform on, you're a member of the Washington Redskins...

Posted by: mattylight


Thanks, I was thinking the same thing.


Bean, I brought up Berry and Mays because there was talk of drafting a RB -- Spiller.

It seems that if you're going crap shoot the pick or piss it away, I think you'll be better off drafting a game changing safety than some small RB who might be along the lines of the likes of Enis, Carter, and yes, Bush.

Basically exactly what o_e was saying.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't advocate in picking up anyone from Notre Dame this year. Thier atheletes are just not good this year.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 11:55 AM

Kiper (taken with a grain of salt I know) was saying Clausen's a top 10 pick. Admittedly, I've only seen a few games but he's been anything but impressive.

Posted by: skinswest | November 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Just so long as NOBODY pretends that the Skins are 3-7 because of injuries. That's a recipe for avoiding hiring a real GM.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 23, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse
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IMHO... if anything the injury situation should highlight the need for a real GM. All teams have injuries...a good GM is one who anticipates that and has able backups on the roster. We spend all our $$ on a few "superstars" (who many times don't pan out), then there is no money left for decent backups.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | November 23, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Lets Do something Novel, Build a line a moron could run through....

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

for all intensive purposes, betts' career is done... the acl and mcl are 2 of the major ligaments in the knee along with the pcl...given the fact that betts is a 8 yr vet and approaching 30 things fon't look good...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying we should draft a safety but if we did draft Taylor Mays, I wouldn't be upset. He's the best player in next year's draft.
The only reason to not take an O lineman in the 1st round is if there is a game changing player there that is too good to pass up.
IMO, that's what Mays is.
Posted by: Original_etrod | November 23, 2009 12:08 PM

My sentiments exactly…..take OL 1st, but if you think you can still get a top round OL in the 2nd, Taylor Mays might be too good to not draft. He’s a Sean Taylor clone…..I wouldn't scream bloody murder for not taking an OL ONLY if they took mays. But if they passed on OL with the 2nd pick I would be rather upset.


Posted by: dlhaze1

He is not! The dude has the physical tools
of ST21 but they aren't even close. He's not a "ballhawk" either and I think that it is clearly one of his weaker traits.

Get the O-line fixed and forget about him. I just watched Stanford's Toby Gerhart run through him all day a couple of weeks ago.

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

F Troy Aikman all day he was on there nuts
Thank god 56 put him out

Posted by: richardgovea | November 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

Coming in the top five of your fantasy leagues does not qualify you to be a NFL GM. You have the luxury of do overs, they dont.

Posted by: ged0386 | November 23, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yo PAskinsfan (and YOU TOO Roger Goodell),

How about THIS?

Hold the ProBowl on a rotating basis each year, at international locations [INCLUDING Hawaii every 4-5 years].

This would satisfy the league's itch for NFL football being played in new international markets without creating all the unneeded hooplah during the season, which the current domestic fanbase, players, and coaches HATE anyway.

That would also give your international NFL market more scoring, bigger name players, less injuries (as the game is played in a manner that favors the offenses, at a speed that is easier for a new viewer to follow, and is also presented in a way that is less conducive to injuries) and would be well received all around.

Giving the players (and their families) a cool trip to Bejing, Berlin, Tokyo, London, Madrid, Sydney, Monterrey...wouldn't be too a hard sell to the wives, kids, or significant others now WOULD it? So that would also encourage more big name players to attend and play in ProBowl games as well...Win, Win, Win all around.

Or is that too easy to figure out, Mr. Goodell?

I only e-mail or fax the idea to the league office EVERY month. It's not like it's too tough to access.

Yes, I hate the regular season, out of country games THAT much.

Oh and for an encore, how about THIS?

Since many, if not most, fans hate to use the tickets to pre-season games anyway...why not stretch the season to 18 regular season games and reduce to 2 pre season games.

Hold the all of the first week's PRE-SEASON games overseas, allowing the big names & starters to go and shake hands and sign autographs [free autograph of item with on-site purchase of authentic NFL merchandise and apparel...] after the ProBowl game, once they're all showered and fresh after they've been pulled out of the game after the 1st half.

That would only, oh, encourage more sales and give overseas fans a rooting interest in a player, players or team...generating brand loyalty and more potential sales.

Or is THAT too easy, too?

Yes, Rooger Goodell, I would leave my current job to come work for the league. I'm not THAT tough to find.

Now, you want bigger viewership for the draft? AND to make money while doing it?

Make it interactive, want to know how?

...That info, Mr. Goodell, will cost you...and it's an even BIGGER potential money maker than my ProBowl idea :)

Posted by: ThinkingMan | November 23, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

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