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Campbell: Loss 'makes you wonder about everything'

After the embarrassing 45-12 loss to the New York Giants, the Redskins hope to regroup Sunday night in their nationally-televised FedEx Field season finale against the Dallas Cowboys. It won't be easy.

"That was the worst" experience of his career, quarterback Jason Campbell said. "Something like that happens, it makes you think about a lot of things you thought you knew.

"Did some guys quit? You know, I always try to be positive and [think the best] about people, but I don't know. Like I said, something like that happens, it just makes you wonder about everything."

The Redskins' ineffective offensive line again was overwhelmed. Campbell was pummeled from the start (sacked five times), suffered a shoulder stinger that briefly forced him from the game before halftime and has a black eye.

"It's just a tough situation," Campbell said. "Guys are doing the best they can out there, but you know you're going up against the New York Giants' defense. You know what that means."

And with the Cowboys, who are in a playoff push, up next, Campbell is curious to see how the Redskins respond in their last game on their home field in 2009.

"You'd hope we come back strong to show everyone we're better than that," he said. "We'll see."

What now for the revolutionaries?

From the front lines, Dan Steinberg reports that the Burgundy Revolution was alive and well (and a bit liquored up) as it reflected on last week's regime change at Monday's game.

Seriously, who has a chicken suit hanging around???

There was a guy in a chicken suit at the Redskins' game Monday night. In the hands of the wrong journalist, a story about that could get a little weird. Not with Steinberg at the D.C. Sports Bog.

In the Zone...

The question of the day in the Redskins Tailgate Zone: How successful do you think Mike Shanahan would be if he's hired to coach the Redskins?

By Jason Reid  |  December 23, 2009; 8:04 AM ET
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"We'll see", or "We shall watch in horror..." guess it depends on whether you're the hittee or the watchee.

Posted by: daggar | December 23, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Dan Steinberg : The Washington Post :: Vinny Cerrato : Washington Redskins

Hard to see how either can hold a job. Redskins realized it. Time for the Post to get rid of The Weakest Link. Okay, that's too harsh. "A Weaker Link."

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Just once I would like to hear Jason Campbell call out his offensive line and say, "I'm tired of getting hit. My offensive tackles are better than this and I expect them to protect me. Their performance on Sunday was unacceptable and they need to improve."

What's wrong with that? Why always this, "we all need to paddle harder" garbage? Hey, the offensive line is not getting it done: call them out. If Fred Davis drops the ball in the end zone, Campbell doesn't need to be ugly about it, but he does need to say, "I really wish Fred would have caught that pass." Of course, now that I think of it, that was Collins' pass and Collins maybe should have said something about it. What's wrong with holding your players accountable? It doesn't have to be "throwing them under the bus" but the players need to know with every fiber of their being that they need to play better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Sure looked and now sounds like the team mailed it in...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Seems to be a problem with the players, Front Office, etc with holding people accountable. Hasnt happened yet...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Seems to be a problem with the players, Front Office, etc with holding people accountable. Hasnt happened yet...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 8:53 AM |

Huh? Suisham? Cerrato?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I guess I am wondering what E. Williams, Rinehart did so bad that they can not even crack the lineup again, so to see how the young kids can play together. I did not think E. Williams played that bad at all...

For Christ sakes, at least see what he can do at Center, cuz Rabach isnt making the grade.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

mh, Rhinehart, is on IR, and they're not going to pull Rabach for Williams...it took zorn a year and a half, and Chris Cooley breaking his ankle to finally throw the ball to Fred Davis..you think suddenly JZ is gonna change his ways.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"I guess I am wondering what E. Williams, Rinehart did so bad that they can not even crack the lineup again..."

Definitely hear ya about Edwin Williams, would like to see dude gets dome reps at center... Rinehart is on IR.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I can't stand all the negativity, so...

In the midst of the horrendous perfomance last Monday night, did anyone see the way London Fletcher stuffed 275 lb. B. Jacobs near the goal line? If I were Bruce Allen, I would be making sure that that play is broadcast over and over and over and over again every day all day all around Redskins Park right up and through the opening kick-off.

It's time to go ruin somebody else's season...who better than the cowpies!!!

Posted by: BigE44 | December 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

League Source

Yeah those two got fired, but it took for it to be so bad that they let them go...what about holding Landry accountable for his mistakes now, etc...there is no benching, nothing...so it continues

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

BigE44,

The negativity on the blog is a byproduct of the negativity on the field.

I did see Jacobs get smacked by Fletch though... second time this year he's put a good hit on him.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

wasnt sure about Rinehart to be honest, but I would like to see Williams get more reps.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

maybe Fletcher can show Landry how to set up a hit a little bit better and make sure you get the tackle first and foremost, that whiff on the WR in the beginning of the game was so bad

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I did see Jacobs get smacked by Fletch though... second time this year he's put a good hit on him.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 9:06 AM

But Jacobs got his payback -- pulled Hall around by his facemask. Tough guy.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

maybe Fletcher can show Landry how to set up a hit a little bit better

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:10 AM

You know, I doubt it. I think Landry is his own man, thinks he's doing great. He'll be the classic underachiever until he meets a coach who can do for him what Gregg Williams did for Sean Taylor.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

actually ls, jacobs threw a punch or two, and got away with it, I almost hate jacobs as much as I hate Pierce....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Just once I would like to hear Jason Campbell call out his offensive line and say, "I'm tired of getting hit. My offensive tackles are better than this and I expect them to protect me. Their performance on Sunday was unacceptable and they need to improve."
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few days ago some were saying that Jason is too soft and cannot say anything harsh to those surrounding him. 1- Jason knows that he is surrounded with anyone but O-linemen, saying anything will not change anything. He is happy that these people can play football. 2- Eli is quieter than Jason, yet the line protects him much much better.
Jason being harsh to peanut vendors and weightwatchers does not help anything.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone viewed the video link? What does Casserly have to say. My job's browser control is blocking the playback.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

For all that commented on helping me with my nephew's recruiting efforts...

He has narrowed down to UVA, VT, Old Dominion, Toledo, Rutgers and Temple

I posted a highlight tape of him on YouTube.

Thanks for all the help and names of coaches for connections.

name is Brandon Bornhauser on youtube if anyone would like to view it.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

at this point in time you gotta dance with who you brung, JC getting pummelled the other night was just as much on Zorn, as it was on the line. zorn did NOTHING to help him, adjusted only after jc had gotten beaten to a pulp....lets call shti what is it...the game plan was completely lacking....but thats in the past...

if the team comes out against dallas with the exact same game plan, then you know that zorn's mailed it in...failing to prepare, is preparing to fail...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Definitely hate Jacobs, punk. Did not seem to connect on the punches he threw, AH did and as much as I am annoyed with Hall for his play, he is a pretty tough guy

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I almost hate jacobs as much as I hate Pierce....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Antonio Pierce is the center of this bama universe.... It all revolves and comes back to Pierce.

Lavar is your moon.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Man......just in case anyone forgot, it is Dallas week, but it sure doesn't feel like Dallas week. What a terrible season this has been......

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 23, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, push him to pick the best academic school...get the best education that he can possibly get...is there any scholarship money?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

The game plan was awful, I agree 100%, they did not seem anywhere ready for the game


Who will ever know if they mailed it or if they were just unprepared.

Would love a tell all after the season from all the coaches

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

This game was a lot different than the New England thrashing. They didn't quit against the Pats, it was a freight train that they couldn't stop. This game was an embarrasment as a professional. They did quit. I have always been a supporter of Campbell b/c I think he proves he is serviceable when he has protection. These guys lost their "heart" and have a chance for some redemption Sunday night.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 23, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

The best thing about this season is it'still a 16 game season and not 18 like they are proposing! Enough with these losers! The off season hype machine will get going soon enough.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This team is a bunch of quitters. They're an embarrassment to anyone who ever put on a Redskins jersey. Show some F-ing heart or pride in what you do. I wasn't expecting much from this joke of a frachise, but I didn't expect them to roll over and die like that.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | December 23, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Every place I listed they have offered him money...Old Dominion offered him to play QB and that is why he is considering that place.

UVA initially offered, but then new coach, new recruiting philosophy.

I think he is leaning to VT, his other uncle played there and the whole family went there.

Boston College is calling to speak with him on Tuesday next week

Got into Yale and Brown, but just too expensive for his parents

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Good one, Red.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

A week ago some people were saying the Skins should keep Zorn for one more year and Campbell for one more year.. after Monday I hope they now know why the Skins can't.. Zorn is over his head.. that fake FG??? Is he kidding?? And Campbell.. where's the leadership?? He has NONE.. Giants have a long scoring drive and he goes 3 and out.. Giants long scoring drive again.. and again Campbell goes 3 and out.. and before you blame EVERYONE BUT Campbell.. Collins comes in, after not playing for 2 YEARS, and a throws a deep pass Campbell has almost never thrown IN 2 YEARS!! Collins also throws a perfect pass that SHOULD have been a TD.. Yeah he got hit but he made plays.. Vinny is gone GREAT.. NOW DUMP ZORN AND CAMPBELL!! This team needs LEADERS it NEEDS WINNERS!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | December 23, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Antonio Pierce is the center of this bama universe.... It all revolves and comes back to Pierce.

Lavar is your moon.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 9:23 AM


Nice, I laughed at that

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

actually ls, jacobs threw a punch or two, and got away with it, I almost hate jacobs as much as I hate Pierce....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:17 AM |

Those weren't punches. They were girlie slaps like Chris Larry throws. The real danger was twisting the face mask.

Do you still think it was a mistake to let Pierce go?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Also, found 2 tix for the [F] Dallas game, right behind the Skins bench. Kost52 and I will serenade Zorn with the "Nah nah nah....Hey hey hey....Goodbye" song at the end of the game.
Classless? Yes. Immature? Yes. Necessary? Hellz to the yes.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 5:59 PM

I wouldn't count on kost for this. He didn't travel across an ocean to heckle. He's a legitimate "fan" of the team ... we would have left early in the third quarter but his attitude is that you stick with your team through the good and the bad ... like the follow-through on wedding vows and such.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

mharts,

The kid seems to have a lot of skill, are all those schools offering full scholarships?

I would say VT Beamer is a great coach and gets the best out of his players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Who's the mole in the Skins locker room sending text message? (I bet one of them is Cartwright...b*tch)

"Bring them to me...I shall deal with them myself"

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

still humping that "girlie slaps" line LS. And you think Steinbog is lame...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Wow. The Bills have re-signed Gibran Hamdan. Now there's a guy who's as much an overachiever as Landry is an underachiever.

And Chase Daniel is back on the NO practice squad. Shouldn't we grab him and let this guy go that we picked up a couple of weeks back?

And, this quote from PFT: "Giants coach Tom Coughlin said he doesn't like the looks of fights like the one that broke out on Monday night, but stopped short of pointing any blame at RB Brandon Jacobs."

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, good to hear, I wish him all the luck in the world...get an education first and foremost, play some football...sounds like a good plan...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

What I can't wait to see Christmas eve is Ralphie beating the sh_t out of Scott Farkus for busting him in is face with a snowball.

Talk about a classic movie.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Redskinhead wrote: "Just once I would like to hear Jason Campbell call out his offensive line and say, "I'm tired of getting hit. My offensive tackles are better than this and I expect them to protect me. Their performance on Sunday was unacceptable and they need to improve."

What's wrong with that? Why always this, "we all need to paddle harder" garbage? Hey, the offensive line is not getting it done: call them out. If Fred Davis drops the ball in the end zone, Campbell doesn't need to be ugly about it, but he does need to say, "I really wish Fred would have caught that pass." Of course, now that I think of it, that was Collins' pass and Collins maybe should have said something about it. What's wrong with holding your players accountable? It doesn't have to be "throwing them under the bus" but the players need to know with every fiber of their being that they need to play better."

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Try to catch Comcast Sports Nite. JC finally spoke up and said people quit on the field. Although he didn't name anyone specifically, you could see the anger boiling to the top...finally!

I totally agree with you, though. I felt like a proud mama watching JC finally speak up. I love when he told Kelli Johnson (I think that's her name), "I've been holding in stuff since March...I know I usually don't say anything, but yeah, I think some of them quit"...(complete paraphrase). I was like, "Hell Yeah", call 'em out!

He definitely didn't sound like the sweet JC we've all come to know...he was pissed! AND I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT!
Posted by: RedSkinHead |

Posted by: LuvMySkinz | December 23, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

still humping that "girlie slaps" line LS. And you think Steinbog is lame...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 9:39 AM

What do you call this crap you post? If you can give me a more accurate description, I'll use it.

And what do you call that junk Jacobs was throwing?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Just once I would like to hear Jason Campbell call out his offensive line and say, "I'm tired of getting hit. My offensive tackles are better than this and I expect them to protect me. Their performance on Sunday was unacceptable and they need to improve."
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few days ago some were saying that Jason is too soft and cannot say anything harsh to those surrounding him. 1- Jason knows that he is surrounded with anyone but O-linemen, saying anything will not change anything. He is happy that these people can play football. 2- Eli is quieter than Jason, yet the line protects him much much better.
Jason being harsh to peanut vendors and weightwatchers does not help anything.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 9:17 AM
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See, you're interpreting holding people accountable as being harsh. I don't see it that way. In the case of the o-line, it's their job to protect Campbell's backside and I don't see anything wrong with Campbell calling them out on that. He doesn't have to be ugly about it, drawing comparisons to other offensive lines, but I expect him to say when the guys around him are not getting the job done. Why is it okay for a player to hold high expectations for himself and not hold those same expectations for his teammates?

If you don't think telling players to raise their game isn't effective then how do you explain Bugel going off at half time at the Atlanta game and the offensive line dominating in the second half? This is about accountability and holding your players to higher expectations. You cannot except mediocrity in any phase of the game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

his attitude is that you stick with your team through the good and the bad ... like the follow-through on wedding vows and such.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 9:37 AM


Who does that anymore? Me and Tiger are going cruisin' for some new hotties tonight!

The #1 attribute we're looking for?

Ones who can keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

You cannot except mediocrity in any phase of the game.

I meant "You cannot accept mediocrity in any phase of the game." I guess you cannot accept mediocrity in any part of your blog either.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Ones who can keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 9:48 AM

No oral sex for you, Brownwood?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, get an education, play some football, and don't end up a bama like red-dmv....sorry, I left off that last part of advice....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, VT is offering a 3/4 scholarship if he goes next year a full scholarship if he does a 5th year senior program. Basically 1 year preferred walk on and the next 3 years paid.

ODU - full money with grants and scholarship

Temple - Full
Rutgers - preferred walk on
BC - havent heard
Toledo - full

He will probably be switched to Safety at VT or PR/ KR, but he doesnt care just wants to play ball and be part of a team/ family

Thanks for all the support.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"What do you call this crap you post? If you can give me a more accurate description, I'll use it.

Posted by: League-Source

Dam grinch...what is your problem this AM? Not even in the mood to take your pathetic bait on this fine morning. If you don't like my flow, than get to scrolling geezer.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

No oral sex for you, Brownwood?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:49 AM


No, thank you. Don't offer me that again.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

And now that I've clicked "report abuse" on you LS, may I suggest you offer your, um, "service" on Craigslist from now on?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

given the cost of college if he can walk out after 4 years with little to no college loans/debt, then that in itself is a HUGE win for him......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

No oral sex for you, Brownwood?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 9:49 AM

LS this is bad even for your hack standards.

Posted by: mack1 | December 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

No oral in the champagne room.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, of those programs, the strongest football program (seems like it) would be Rutgers ... except BC, but haven't heard means they don't appreciate what they're missing.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

See, you're interpreting holding people accountable as being harsh. I don't see it that way. In the case of the o-line, it's their job to protect Campbell's backside and I don't see anything wrong with Campbell calling them out on that. He doesn't have to be ugly about it, drawing comparisons to other offensive lines, but I expect him to say when the guys around him are not getting the job done. Why is it okay for a player to hold high expectations for himself and not hold those same expectations for his teammates?

If you don't think telling players to raise their game isn't effective then how do you explain Bugel going off at half time at the Atlanta game and the offensive line dominating in the second half? This is about accountability and holding your players to higher expectations. You cannot except mediocrity in any phase of the game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse
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the problem is that you think we have an OLine. you may even think that we have a team
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Posted by: mhartz1 | Send him to Yale, UVA. he should not waste his time at VT community college.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

scratch that ... Virginia Tech ... but they've had a history of churning d-bag character types out of that program. Also, the neighborhood around Temple sucks. Toledo is snooze bar.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

That is our goal...his parents have always been dead beats, so my brother, mom and I all started college funds for the kids...so if he gets scholarship or grant money, he will get a fair share of money to live on during college and then roll over afterwards for getting himself started.

Interesting...ran the 40 yard with pads did 4.48, that was with the electronic timer and sensor...ran without pads - 3.9 on a field with cleats no pads.

Kid can burn and just started growing again. I really wanted the kid to go to Yale, got in and the love him, but trying to convince a 17 year old that it is cool and he will have all the resources in the world when he gets out is really tough

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

MySpace/Facebook jump-offs > Craig's List jump-offs

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1, I really like the coach at Rutgers....decent school. Crappy state. But very good coach who is running a clean and up and coming program.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

we meet with UNC on Jan. 16th for official visit, but they would really like him to do a 5th year senior program to bulk up, plus it will free up scholarship space for the program.

UNC would be a great school for him, plus close to grandma...but the fact that my brother played for VT - he is enamored with it. Lot of family history down there. 3 of his teammates are going to Toledo, so i think that is the only reason he is even looking at it. I want him to leave OH and get away from my sister and his azzhole dad.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I really wanted the kid to go to Yale, got in and the love him, but trying to convince a 17 year old that it is cool and he will have all the resources in the world when he gets out is really tough

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:07 AM

You've got that exactly right. From the offers he's been getting it doesn't look like he's going to be playing in the NFL. Choose the best education, not the best football program.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

How is this the worse experience of Campbell's career when he lost to the Patriots 3 yrs ago 56-7. A game where he fumbled 3 times of which 2 were taken back for TD's

Posted by: pathmo | December 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

MySpace/Facebook jump-offs > Craig's List jump-offs

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:09 AM

And you know this how?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

mh, props to you for doing what you're doing...you're a good man for that....tell him that Yale is full of nyphmpho's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Out of all the coaches I met with, during his visits - the guy I liked the most was the Rutgers coach, nice guy, genuine, rolled out the red carpet for him, got to know the kid before he even speaking about Rutgers or football. He must go somewhere that will feel like a big family to him.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yale is full of nymphos, but they're all Lesbians. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

One thing about football at Ivy league is you will "star" easier and have a chance to really contribute, plus Ivy League football culture is still strong its just sort of a petri-dish into itself but those yale/Harvard games and stuff are huge deals.

Sorta sad that the Ivy League isn't "cool"....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I did see Jacobs get smacked by Fletch though... second time this year he's put a good hit on him.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse


They need to strap down Laron Landry, tape his eyelids open and play that tackle for him on a consecutive loop, while blasting some dissonant rock music into his ear.

Since he seems utterly unwilling to learn and be coached, maybe we can brainwash him into learning how to tackle.

BTW, did anyone notice Landry's big "whiff" on Hakeem Nicks on the sideline?

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

How is this the worse experience of Campbell's career when he lost to the Patriots 3 yrs ago 56-7. A game where he fumbled 3 times of which 2 were taken back for TD's

Posted by: pathmo | December 23, 2009 10:13 AM


Because this was at home against a struggling division opponent you're playing for the 2nd time this year. The Pats game was an inter-conference road game against a team that went 16-0. Even though the score wasn't as bad as the Pats game, the situation around it was.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

cl, yeah, when did education/being smart become a cross to bear....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Greg

Told the kid, go to Yale, we will make it work for you, I offered to pay half the tuition...but the problem lies with dad, d bag guy that controls the kids with manipulation and wants to be friend not dad...Tells the kid, you will easily be the dumbest kid at Yale, easily

Why would you tell your kid that? If we go to official visit for BC, I am going to take the kid to Yale anyways to see the campus and meet with some people.

VT told him they envision him being their new Cody Grimm

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

mh, I'd GLADLY take being called the dumbest person at Yale because first it would be a compliment, and second it would be FACTUALLY UNTRUE, however you NEVER, EVER, EVER say something like that to your kids.....just can't happen....

some people, shouldn't ever reproduce....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

yeah except the lesbos at Yale, look alot like my nephew...

Sorry to take up everyone's time on the blog with writing about my nephews college choices, but some had asked, so I updated. Really do appreciate the support and ideas.

Landry's whiff on Nicks was depressing.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Can someone give LS a holiday hug? He is even less funny and creative then normal this AM.

C'mon guy enough fronting the old cranky pr*ck routine for a few hours. It will be a relief I assure you.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1, send him to old dominion, they won 9 games in their first year of football, they will soon play delaware, jmu, richmond, william & mary, and all their home games sell out

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | December 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

mdoughtie...he really likes ODU and can play QB there and he has uncle, grand dad living down there

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to take up everyone's time on the blog with writing about my nephews college choices, but some had asked, so I updated. Really do appreciate the support and ideas.

Landry's whiff on Nicks was depressing.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse


Far be it from me to advise someone NOT to go to an Ivy League school if they have the opportunity, but I'll always remember the sage advice my pops gave me when I was weighing between going undergrad at UPenn or UMaryland Honors Program (in-state tuition).

He said he'd help either way. But that the smart money in higher education should get spent on grad school. You can excel at a respectable undergrad program, get into a top notch grad school, and then blow the big money there.

I took the advice, did U Maryland honors program, and then my pops went all-out to help put me through law school.

It sure helped me not get buried under 2 layers of student loans.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Can someone give LS a holiday hug? He is even less funny and creative then normal this AM.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 10:24 AM


CL, we've been here long enough to know there's no floor for how unfunny that guy can get.

I have no problem giving another guy a hug if he needs it, but not on the heels of getting offered a hummer. Wouldn't want "League Service" to get the wrong idea...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

my god, just flush this 53 man roster, starting with campbell

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Thanks P1funk

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Landry's whiff on Nicks was depressing.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse


I'm very much looking forward to having a Mike Shanahan/Jon Gruden type take this team over and finally show enough stones to get in LL30's face rip him a new one and bench him for missed tackles like that.

It's embarassing how the "stars" have been running the team here in Washington without accountability.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

ls, let's just say that I indulge in some good ol' heterosexual fun and leave it at that.

I had to try the Craig's List thing, and a few years back, for most dudes 30 or younger myspace.com was where it was at when it came to hollering at the ladies.

2006 was a damn good year. I ran rough shot in the DMV... DMV trotting...

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Landry's whiff made on Nicks made me want to vomit. Does Landry suffer from T-Rex arms or something? How hard can it be to wrap up for a tackle. By wrapping up for the tackle you actually have a chance to cause a turnover rather than the highlight shot.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.
If Campbell does a 50 QB rating, again, in the Cowboys and Chargers games, the Skins will be lucky to see a 3rd round compensation pick if Campbell gets a low offer as a restricted free agent.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

This team is the absolute pits and a disgrace to Washington. Bruce Allen must start from scratch and rebuild this entire roster and coaching staff.

Posted by: john24 | December 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

mh, either VaTech or ODU... but please know my input is solely based on my biased opinion with anything having to do with VA.

I think as long as he gets a good edumication and has a chance to start by at least his second year with the program is what you all should consider.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If we go to official visit for BC, I am going to take the kid to Yale anyways to see the campus and meet with some people.

VT told him they envision him being their new Cody Grimm

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse
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I live about 20 minutes north of Yale. If you need local scoop on anything down there, let me know. I'm a transplant myself from VA & MD, and my $0.02 is that New Haven reminds me a lot of Richmond (both good and bad), summer and fall are wonderful, winter and spring suck, and the dont let anyone tell you the best pizza in CT is in New Haven. Personally, I would suggest looking at Trinity or UConn for colleges in CT, but Yale obviously is sitting on a golden brand name.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I still think we bring JC back next year and build around him, he can win with right guys on the OL, IMO.

otherwise, we better be ready for a repeat of the horrible season we have had this year...we will not be better with a new young unproven QB...that means Colt too

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

if he goes to vpi or odu and doesnt make pro.. He'll be working for someone who went to UVA. Pick UVA,
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mh, either VaTech or ODU... but please know my input is solely based on my biased opinion with anything having to do with VA.

I think as long as he gets a good edumication and has a chance to start by at least his second year with the program is what you all should consider.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:36 AM |

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Random Trade Thought:

Last offseason, the Raiders were dangling Michael Bush in trade rumors.

I like him. Big, powerful, versatile and has always shown he can carry the load when he's gotten the touches.

He's also played in a zone-blocking scheme, and doesn't have alot of NFL wear-tear on him (early knee injuries aside).

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Landry's whiff made on Nicks made me want to vomit. Does Landry suffer from T-Rex arms or something? How hard can it be to wrap up for a tackle. By wrapping up for the tackle you actually have a chance to cause a turnover rather than the highlight shot.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Landry suffers from being dumb as a cinder block.

If he did not have freakish athletic talent, I'm sure the dude would be sitting on a crate throwing pennies at the curb right now.

He doesn't seem to comprehend the fundamentals of playing pro football consistently and effectively.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Red - ODU, VT and JMU have shown the most interest right out of the gate. JMU said it has no money to spend this year...

Matt - UCONN we looked at and he just did not like the atmosphere there, he said...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:32 AM

Huh? Snyder? Smartest thing for him to do right now is to try to salvage his Six Flags investment and let Bruce Allen do his job and run the team.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

p1, I like your thought process, given that Fargas/McFad will take the lions share of the carries, however, unless we trade a player, I think that the limited number of draft picks are way to valuble for something like this.....if we could swing Monty for him, then by all means....otherwise, OL, OL, OL

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, I tend to agree with the bit about academic struggles at Yale. Unless he has the chops to pull it off, adding football on top of that could result in some crushing weight, which could make college a drag, esp. if his home situation hasn't prepared him to handle mental adversity.

For family feel, I come back to Rutgers (the State University of New Jersey) ... it is its own campus ... pulls kids nationally, not just Jersey. Plus, Mr. Magoo went there (as did Ray Rice and Brian Leonard ... I already forgot the name of their QB). Finally, if he does have any interest in the NFL, tell him to start place kicking ASAP.

Thanks for the first good conversation topic in a while. mhartz = Sandra Bullock.

League Source, hugs.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I as well think Landry is an idiot...met him last year at a Skins charity event, worst 2 minute conversation I have ever had...went like this, "what you do for a living...make alot of money doing that...football is cool."

Also, does he have his upper lip pierced, thought I saw something sparkle on his face during the game on the sidelines.

M. Bush is a solid player...but I imagine they will keep him now, since McFadden really hasnt panned out.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Mike Teel, QB, in that year when Rutgers almost went undefeated ... he's on the Seahawks now. The story of Teel, Rice, and Leonard is what happens when your team shines in the Big East.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Random Trade Thought:

Last offseason, the Raiders were dangling Michael Bush in trade rumors.

I like him. Big, powerful, versatile and has always shown he can carry the load when he's gotten the touches.

He's also played in a zone-blocking scheme, and doesn't have alot of NFL wear-tear on him (early knee injuries aside).

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:40 AM

That would be a good pick up IMO. They'd still need a change of pace back (Shanahan loved AA) but I like that idea.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I still think we bring JC back next year and build around him, he can win with right guys on the OL, IMO.

otherwise, we better be ready for a repeat of the horrible season we have had this year...we will not be better with a new young unproven QB...that means Colt too

Posted by: mhartz1
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I think JC is a nice guy and I really supported him through what he was going through. But I now know that he is an average QB, he is not very accurate and he is not quick, two must haves for any starter QB. am I wrong??

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

P1:

I agree with the route of upgrading RBs through poaching off the deeeep RB rosters of other clubs. Teams have been stockpiling backs and I think we could do that via free agency, restricted free agency or a low end trade (while agreeing to avoiding trading day 1/2 draft picks at beanie states).

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

p1, I like your thought process, given that Fargas/McFad will take the lions share of the carries, however, unless we trade a player, I think that the limited number of draft picks are way to valuble for something like this.....if we could swing Monty for him, then by all means....otherwise, OL, OL, OL

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse


Or maybe we could go one further.

Offer Laron Landry for Michael Bush plus a pick or 2?

I know LL30 still has alot of apologists around here, but frankly, when you look at Horton, Doughty, Moore and the possibility of shifting Smoot to FS, I think Landry is expendable. It will also save us the hassle of having to give a boat-load of money to him when the time comes.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Picked up the tix this morning. Right behind the Skins bench. Saw your note above, sween...you are correct sir.
Kost flew across the Pacific to see his beloved team...there will be no booing, heckling, immature serenading, or any of the like from me.
Through thick and thin, all in this together, guts out fighting/cheering, such as.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

not to mention that the raidahs got fleeced in trading for RSeymour.....they're probably going to be looking to recoup picks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

yeah right...Brucey will be running the team...Where have you been the last 10 years? It was Snyder making the phone calls to GMs last March, building up JC's confidence by trying to trade him..
JC is a restricted free agent which means a potential return on Snyder's investment.. 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks. Zorn was employed to improve that same investment.
They should shut down Jason before he is killed.. The season is over..play the backups and see what you have at true NFL speed, not preseason speed.
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smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:32 AM

Huh? Snyder? Smartest thing for him to do right now is to try to salvage his Six Flags investment and let Bruce Allen do his job and run the team.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:45 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

DCsween, thanks.

Who does everyone think will be the first one cut or moved by the Skins??

My vote ARE or Rabach.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Michael Bush, yes (assuming he's UFA). [Then Trindon Holliday in a late round if not UDFA offer he can't refuse ... maybe see how well he can catch or throw.]

Landry, gold stud in bottom lip.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

By all accounts, Michael Bush is also a very sensible team-first guy. He never moans about his touches or the RB shuffling and always respects the coaching decisions.

In other words, he's the anti-CP26.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

RThomas, or CSamuels.

Cut the first, and retire the 2nd...how does salary stuff work out with players retiring??

They've just GOT TO push Chris to retire...he's set for life financially, and can still walk, use his extremeties...lets not have him end up eating through a straw...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Matt - UCONN we looked at and he just did not like the atmosphere there, he said...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse
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Definitely understand that. I am here for work, but this area doesn't really jump out at you when coming up from the Bay area. I haven't quite put my finger on it, but there is something foreign about this area to me, so I can definitely relate.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

would the raiders need LL, dont they have Huff.

I would love to see it happen. Bush is a good player and seems to have gotten over the injury bug.

I like the thought of poaching players, though. Really wish, B. Allen was more of that kind of GM, but we will see...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Michael Bush, yes (assuming he's UFA).

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse


I believe Michael Bush would be entering the last year of his rookie contract.

I think he signed a 4 year deal in 2007.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Who does everyone think will be the first one cut or moved by the Skins??

My vote ARE or Rabach.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Rock, Mason, or Ganther

1 of those 3

Most likely Mason or Rock

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Who does everyone think will be the first one cut or moved by the Skins??

My vote ARE or Rabach.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM

Centers are hard to replace, and Rabach's arc of the shotgun was embarrassing, and he seems to have fallen off a little in run blocking, but the pocket didn't seem to collapse from the front, but the sides.

ARE is dead to me. Agreed. [Also I have to assume that Samuels and Randy Thomas are willing to retire without a fuss over their contracts ... if not, they are gone, as is Griffin, which is unfortunate, but that's what happens when you bring back a HoF coach who only wants free agents to rebuild ... and he did that a million years ago. I think Griffin is the last of the FA vets installed by Gibbs ... maybe Daniels and Wynn, but I think Daniels was here before Gibbs was.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

yeah right...Brucey will be running the team...Where have you been the last 10 years? It was Snyder making the phone calls to GMs last March, building up JC's confidence by trying to trade him..

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smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:32 AM

You can't make up your mind about this, can you? On the one hand you think Snyder will be running the team and on the other hand you think he should "convince Allen" to shut Campbell down.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Landry is from the south. That's how those boys dress down there. Nipple rings, rings on the corner of their eye brows, tongue rings...

Bamas in the purest form.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg

I was definitely wondering the same thing, how does the Retirement thing work towards our cap, etc. I will be surprised if R. Thomas doesnt retire as well. Either way, both need to go, possibly hire Samuels to help with coaching, he lives in the area full time.

Matt

You want a culture shock, live in DC your whole life and then move to Cincinnati, this place is strange...but moving soon, thank god.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Skins2,
JC is a nice guy... Too nice.. Doesnt fire up a team when its dogging.. Look at Brady and Manning.. They are always in the grill of their linemen or RBs/WRs... When Campbell was walking off the field, Monday night, after the multiple 3 and outs.. he looked like he was going to Cry.. not Motivate the linemen.. I noticed not once (when the cameras showed the sidelines) was he firing up the sideline. Quite the opposite..He and Zorn looked like two deer freaking out in the middle of 495 during rush hour.
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I think JC is a nice guy and I really supported him through what he was going through. But I now know that he is an average QB, he is not very accurate and he is not quick, two must haves for any starter QB. am I wrong??

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Random Trade Thought:

Last offseason, the Raiders were dangling Michael Bush in trade rumors.

I like him. Big, powerful, versatile and has always shown he can carry the load when he's gotten the touches.

He's also played in a zone-blocking scheme, and doesn't have alot of NFL wear-tear on him (early knee injuries aside).

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:40 AM

That would be a good pick up IMO. They'd still need a change of pace back (Shanahan loved AA) but I like that idea.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM

Bush would be good. Another possibility if Shanahan's the coach is Peyton Hillis. big tough runner and excellent receiver. Shanahan drafted him in Denver and McDaniels doesn't seem to like him.

Posted by: skinswest | December 23, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

DCsween, thanks.

Who does everyone think will be the first one cut or moved by the Skins??

My vote ARE or Rabach.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM

There will be about six or eight guys at once, listed in alphabetical order. There will be lots of cuts, settlements, injury settlements, but no trades. The only ones you could trade are the ones you want back.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Damn, we have a lot of dead weight on this team...forgot about Wynn, Griff and Daniels.

Wynn should be gone no probs there, Griff and Daniels will be gone too. I like the DL rotation if we keep Monty...Monty, AH, Gholston, Orakpo, Carter, Wilson and whomever else comes on. We need to start building up our LB corp soon.

Is Rocky a UFA or Restricted...isnt Dansby available this year??

Rock i think is dead man walking on this team.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I can't see RThomas retiring, he's gonna want to try and come back and play, versus Samuels, if he plays he could end up paralyzed......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

DCsween, thanks.

Who does everyone think will be the first one cut or moved by the Skins??

My vote ARE or Rabach.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM

Zorn

Posted by: skinswest | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I was just thinking what the team would have to lose by starting all of their youngsters in the last couple of games. They already know what they have in the veterans and it seems like these guys are just beaten up. so,

-Let Campbell sit and have Bartel play.
-Sit ARE and let MM play.
-Let Rogers sit and have Barnes plays.
-Cut Wynn and activate Skolnitsky.
-Cut Cartwright and activate Alridge.
-Bench Landry and let Moore play free safety.
-Sit Carter and move Orakpo into his spot. Carter could play but he's injured, so why put him out there every play?
-Sit Daniels and let Rob Jackson start. Same as Carter.
-Start Chris Wilson at SS linebacker.
-Sit Rabach and let Will Montgomery play center.

This would give the organization a look at some guys who might be on the edge next season, plus it will give some young guys some valuable experience. In the case of a guy like Daniels or Wynn, they know they will be moving on next year without him, so why not see if his replacement is on the roster? Could the replacements possibly play as badly as the starters did on Monday night? The season is done. Start the evaluation process for next season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

He said he'd help either way. But that the smart money in higher education should get spent on grad school. You can excel at a respectable undergrad program, get into a top notch grad school, and then blow the big money there.

I took the advice, did U Maryland honors program, and then my pops went all-out to help put me through law school.

It sure helped me not get buried under 2 layers of student loans.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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Just to offer the Devil's Advocate advice, I was part of the opposite experience. I had the choice of going in-state for much cheaper, but instead opted for Brown. Student loan debt is definitely a burden from that choice, but then again, the company with which I now work is offering to pay for 90% of my grad school, should I choose to go.

But ultimately, it's less about where you go, and more about what you do when you get there.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Who does everyone think will be the first one cut or moved by the Skins??

My vote ARE or Rabach.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse
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Im just happy Vinny is gone. I'm not going to get greedy now

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Skins2,
JC is a nice guy... Too nice.. Doesnt fire up a team when its dogging.. Look at Brady and Manning.. They are always in the grill of their linemen or RBs/WRs... When Campbell was walking off the field, Monday night, after the multiple 3 and outs.. he looked like he was going to Cry..

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009
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It's one of those intangible thins, but it means alot - how do you conduct yourself when the bombs are falling?

Watching the Saints/'Girls game, they showed a few close-ups of Drew Brees on the sidelines when the Saints were getting their butts kicked in the first quarter.

Brees looked like he was gonna go ape-balls if someone sneezed on him. He's probably the smallest guy on the team (aside from a punter), but he probably would have busted the teeth of anyone who said the wrong thing to him.

THAT'S the kind of dude that fires up the other players.

And he did. The Saints barely missed out on mounting that comeback.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I forgot that the Titans also picked Kenny Britt (WR, Rutgers) in the first round.

t_e_, don't get me wrong, I still think you're a d-bag (and F chRIs LaRrY!), but it IS the holiday season so hugs and such are in order ... speaking of holidays, and up next is my favorite part of Festivus, the airing of grievances ...

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I got no problems if they bring Daniels back, he holds the point well, and can slide inside, and hold up there as well..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

League-Source
Just hoping Snyder was sincere when he implied Bruce is running the show... But, the cynic in me knows Past is Prologue.
So, lets hope he "suggests" to Allen that they shut down JC for the last two games..
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yeah right...Brucey will be running the team...Where have you been the last 10 years? It was Snyder making the phone calls to GMs last March, building up JC's confidence by trying to trade him..

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smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:32 AM

You can't make up your mind about this, can you? On the one hand you think Snyder will be running the team and on the other hand you think he should "convince Allen" to shut Campbell down.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 10:59 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Skins2,
JC is a nice guy... Too nice.. Doesnt fire up a team when its dogging.. Look at Brady and Manning.. They are always in the grill of their linemen or RBs/WRs... When Campbell was walking off the field, Monday night, after the multiple 3 and outs.. he looked like he was going to Cry.. not Motivate the linemen.. I noticed not once (when the cameras showed the sidelines) was he firing up the sideline. Quite the opposite..He and Zorn looked like two deer freaking out in the middle of 495 during rush hour.
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I think JC is a nice guy and I really supported him through what he was going through. But I now know that he is an average QB, he is not very accurate and he is not quick, two must haves for any starter QB. am I wrong??

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM


Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:00 AM
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I hear you but I think the QB next year is going to be a caretaker for the next QB of the future. I could see the Redskins working on the offensive line at the top of the draft and reaching for a developmental prospect at QB in the later rounds. Re-signing Campbell makes sense. I like the idea of signing him to the tender and then taking the draft picks if someone makes him an offer. I don't think that would happen, but if not, they will still have a serviceable veteran at QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Happy Holidays everyone, hope your next year is better than this year!

I am off to warmer weather for a month, peace.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 23, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The list never seems to end for the Skins needs. By my count and in no particular order.

Starters

2 - OT
1 - RG
1 - CB (Assuming Los is gone)
1 - FS
1 - RB
1 - QB (as some would like)

Backups (#2 on depth chart)

1 - OT
1 - DE
1 - DT
1 - LB

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

-Bench Landry and let Moore play free safety.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM

First of all, F Dallas. All of the starters start and F'ing F Dallas.

Second, for the CHARGERS game, move Landry to strong safety and try ROGERS at free safety ... with Hall, Smoot, Tryon, Barnes, ham sandwich playing the corners. Hopefully, San Diego will sit Rivers to protect him from the playoffs. If not, we might as well have the reserve offensive linemen play corner for as butt roached as the Skins secondary is going to get.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I just looked at ESPN football page and clicked on the stock watcher. If you click on NFC east the entire falling category if filled with redskins. The falling stock category has Jim Zorn and Albert Haynesworth and also Laron Landry. His comments on Landry are to the point and actually quite funny. He states that Landry continues to run past ball carriers out of control and with no focus

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I got no problems if they bring Daniels back, he holds the point well, and can slide inside, and hold up there as well..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:11 AM
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Bean, I hear you but Daniels is injury prone and he will be 37 next year. I can't see keeping a 37 year old injury prone defensive end on the roster. The body breaks down.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Regarding RBs -- there was a phase earlier this decade where top level RBs seemed to come from nowhere, and they could be had with solid scouting and a keen eye on depth charts around the league or late draft picks (Priest Holmes, Willie Parker, etc.).

But lately, that trend seems to have been bucked. If you look at the top rushers, nearly all of them are high picks.

Here's the list of the top 13 rushers (yards) in the league as of now:

Chris Johnson - 1st round
Steven Jackson - 1st round
Maurice Jones-Drew - 2nd round
Adrian Peterson - 1st round
Thomas Jones - 1st round
Ray Rice - 2nd round
Cedric Benson - 1st round
Deangelo Williams - 1st round
Ryan Grant - undrafted
Ricky Williams - 1st round
Rashard Mendenhall - 1st round
Frank Gore - 2nd round
Knowshon Moreno - 1st round

After that list, then you start getting into more of the mid-lower round picks. But it seems to me that if you're looking to add an impact RB, you have to look towards the top of the draft for it -- at least at some point.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz, as I said before, there is no team to fire up. there are 53 players the wear redskins jersey we must accept this fact. How would you fire up these guys? what would you say to one of the O-lineman? if JC says to one "hey you need to block or do your job" the reply would be, "hey this is not my job, i am here for money, I was a wightwatcher before, be happy that I am doing this much after 10years absence from the game."
we are in rebuilding mode again.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

-Bench Landry and let Moore play free safety.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:05 AM

First of all, F Dallas. All of the starters start and F'ing F Dallas.

Second, for the CHARGERS game, move Landry to strong safety and try ROGERS at free safety ... with Hall, Smoot, Tryon, Barnes, ham sandwich playing the corners. Hopefully, San Diego will sit Rivers to protect him from the playoffs. If not, we might as well have the reserve offensive linemen play corner for as butt roached as the Skins secondary is going to get.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:14 AM
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I am down with the San Diego plan, but with Dallas, why not try the young guys? I mean, the veterans gave up this week. What is left in their tank? The young guys will be hungrier and who knows, maybe they will rise to the occasion...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Good news for Skins. Another highly rated offensive tackle entering the draft.


PISCATAWAY, N.J. -- Saying the NFL "has been in my heart for a while," Rutgers offensive tackle Anthony Davis is skipping his senior season and entering the draft.

"It's always been in the back of my head and now that the opportunity is here, I sat down with my coaches and my family and we decided that this my best move," said Davis, who has been projected as a first-round pick.

Some experts have slotted Davis as the third-rated draft-eligible offensive tackle prospect behind Oklahoma State's Russell Okung and Oklahoma's Trent Williams.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, Heyer can be a solid third OT. Jarmon is back so no need for a third DE. Defensive tackle is still the deepest spot on the roster. The LB need is a starter need for an outside guy (unless that Twitter guy gets his game speed to slow down by next year). Also, Fletcher is not going to live forever and whether Blades is ready to step up (next year should be the year to know), they might need an inside guy as well.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I hope we lose to Dallas.

1. I hate the Giants more. I think NYG will win out, meaning Dallas and GB have to win out too. The Giants may make noise in the playoffs, I think Dallas will fizzle out.

2. Zorn is gone, so no amount of wins will save him.

3. Draft pick - currently we are #6, and Cleveland plays Oakland this weekend. Not sure who would be #5 if we were tied with them.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 23, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

switching Landry to SS and putting Los at FS is like changing a flat tire and putting a flat tire back on the car. Take one double move and put in another double move.


Championship!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 23, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

JC has done well enough these last few games (Monday night notwithstanding) that he could command a 2.5 Mil salary/yr offer as a restricted free agent. If so, Skins get a 1st round and 3rd round compensation pick.
So, why play him and risk an injury or more devaluation behind a Div II College Line?
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Skins2,
JC is a nice guy... Too nice.. Doesnt fire up a team when its dogging.. Look at Brady and Manning.. They are always in the grill of their linemen or RBs/WRs... When Campbell was walking off the field, Monday night, after the multiple 3 and outs.. he looked like he was going to Cry.. not Motivate the linemen.. I noticed not once (when the cameras showed the sidelines) was he firing up the sideline. Quite the opposite..He and Zorn looked like two deer freaking out in the middle of 495 during rush hour.
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I think JC is a nice guy and I really supported him through what he was going through. But I now know that he is an average QB, he is not very accurate and he is not quick, two must haves for any starter QB. am I wrong??

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 10:48 AM


Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:00 AM
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I hear you but I think the QB next year is going to be a caretaker for the next QB of the future. I could see the Redskins working on the offensive line at the top of the draft and reaching for a developmental prospect at QB in the later rounds. Re-signing Campbell makes sense. I like the idea of signing him to the tender and then taking the draft picks if someone makes him an offer. I don't think that would happen, but if not, they will still have a serviceable veteran at QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:11 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

" ... Rutgers offensive tackle Anthony Davis is skipping his senior season and entering the draft. ..."

mhartz, scratch what I was saying about Rutgers ... they're gonna suck next year.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

if they spend a top pick on a rb, what will it matter running behind this OL?? Build the ol, and everything else will fall into place....if JC has time, and is carving teams up through the air, then you can put ganther at RB and he'd have success....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

LL played SS for the last two games and he still sucks, so moving him out or teaching him how to tackle would be best.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

psps...not that I am disagreeing...but while yes those backs are 1st/2nd rounders 4 of them didn't star for the team that drafted them. I am not saying the Skins should not look at elite-ish type dudes, but they don't have to spend their draft picks...but instead grab the next ced benson or thomas jones from another roster. Which is why I thought the M. Bush type scenario is a good move.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Great One, Green Bay is hotter now than either NYG or Dallas, but my primary point is F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to drinking and competing in feats of strength with my dad.....I think I can take him this year

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

sad but, probably true Skinz2. It just would be great to see JC act like a Brady, Manning or Brees and go bat shi-t on the fat millionaires that are not doing their jobs.
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cliftonbiz, as I said before, there is no team to fire up. there are 53 players the wear redskins jersey we must accept this fact. How would you fire up these guys? what would you say to one of the O-lineman? if JC says to one "hey you need to block or do your job" the reply would be, "hey this is not my job, i am here for money, I was a wightwatcher before, be happy that I am doing this much after 10years absence from the game."
we are in rebuilding mode again.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 11:17 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The whiff Landry had against Nicks was indeed depressing, especially since it was completely unnecessary. He had Nicks pinned on the sidelines and if he had broken down properly (I think that is the right tackling term?) he could have shoved him out of bounds while still protecting against the move to the inside.

But there was another one I saw on a Bradshaw sweep when someone came flying in like a missile, and missed, glancing off of Bradshaw's shoulder and going tumbling for 5 yards. Bradshaw meanwhile proceded to pick up 8 yards on that one I think. I hit pause on the ole DVR (so awesome getting to pause and rewind DURING a game) and sure enough it was #30.

Granted, there was a lineman in between LL and Bradshaw, but why not play it in a fundamentally sound way and give up 3 or 4 yards, inside of (again) whiffing on the big hit and giving up 8 or more?

Not even going to talk about the coverage issues because clearly the ship has sailed, or rather, sunk.

Posted by: ts35 | December 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

p1, is this Davis guy worth a top 10 pick?

If not, could be an opportunity to trade back for more ones and/or twos and get more linemen, assuming there's a market for that kind of move.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

LL played SS for the last two games and he still sucks, so moving him out or teaching him how to tackle would be best.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Which is why I thought the M. Bush type scenario is a good move.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse


Trade Laron Landry for Michael Bush + pick.


We get a guy who has proven he can play at the NFL level and get to recoup a draft pick.

We get to to cut ties w/ LL30 and avoid having to pay him big $$ when the time comes.

We get to purge our roster of uncoachable "stars" who are more interested in their own "big plays" than playing sound football.

We get to bring on a consummate team-first guy who had produced in Oakland's insane environment without throwing other coaches/players under the bus.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Its was so sad watching Jason on Comcast Sports Net yesturday and reading this post..He sounds batterd, bruised, and deafeated. I rarely get a chance to watch full redskins games because i live in philadelphia but it is very appearent that the redskins biggest weakness is at the most critical position on the field, OFFENSIVE LINE! If Bruce Allen fixes that first he'll be on the right track...

Posted by: ife80 | December 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

p1, is this Davis guy worth a top 10 pick?

If not, could be an opportunity to trade back for more ones and/or twos and get more linemen, assuming there's a market for that kind of move.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse


I don't know if he's top 10 material.

We need a resident RI draft-geek to tell us more.

I'm just thinking that the more talented Otackles in the draft, the better for us.

Now that Vinny "there-were-no-tackles-worth-going-after" Cerratto is out the door, I'm confident that our new guys will find a way to grab one.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

CL, i agree, i'm all for building the line right now. But I just thought it was interesting to point out.

Another thing to point out is that while those guys are all top rushers in the league right now, there are really only maaaybe 2 of them that play for the true contenders for the title (Peterson and Benson, if we're being generous). The other guys are racking up yards and fantasy points, but most, if not all, are struggling to even make the playoffs.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Chris Johnson - 1st round - 7-7
Steven Jackson - 1st round - 1-13
Maurice Jones-Drew - 2nd round - 7-7
Adrian Peterson - 1st round - 11-3
Thomas Jones - 1st round - 7-7
Ray Rice - 2nd round - 8-6
Cedric Benson - 1st round - 9-5
Deangelo Williams - 1st round - 6-8
Ryan Grant - undrafted - 9-5
Ricky Williams - 1st round - 7-7
Rashard Mendenhall - 1st round - 7-7
Frank Gore - 2nd round - 6-8
Knowshon Moreno - 1st round - 8-6

records of the teams of the top rushers....I'd rather spend the picks on OL, and have a MONSTER passing attack....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

dcsween I'm assuming Giff leaving because of age, injury issues and hopefully a youth movement. Monty to me hasn't shown much and I think a new DC will be less willing to accept his play. Heck he's been on the trading block for a year. In that case, we have AH and Golston as starters. I guess we can Alexander at 275Lbs be the 3rd DT, but when AH goes down for a 1/4 of the season the run defense will suffer. I'd look for a run stuffer somewhere this off season. Either way, if they leave DL alone the Skins list of needs is lengthy.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

cL, good point about solid RBs not being solid on the team that drafted them high (but F you anyway). By that math, other poaching candidates would include: Brandon Jackson (Packers), Lorenzo Booker (Dolphins), Brian Calhoun (Lions), Ryan Torain (Broncos), hell anyone. Seems like RBs age quickly anyway. Also, Ahmad Bradshaw was 7th rounder, as was DeShawn Wynn and Derrick Ward, and our own Quinton Ganther.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If the season finished today, we'd have the #6 spot, and Sports Inc has Okung as #6. If this plays out, I we have to all buy lottery tickets.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Sorry, I hope we lose to Dallas."

Posted by: Rypien11

Absolutely Blasphemous! As much as I want to be position to get one of the elite OTs, I could never utter those words.

Posted by: dcwun | December 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Most project Davis as a mid to late first rounder, if he came out next year he would be the top tackle in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Besides Michael Bush...

Other RB situations worth looking into:

-Tampa Bay: C.Williams or Earnest Graham

They paid Derrick Ward, so you'd think they're going to try to feature him. Maybe Caddy could be had for a steal. I though Graham was highly productive and versatile when he got a chance to be a feature back.

-Miami: Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams

Ricky is old, but I think those years off saved him a bit. Ronnie Brown has another injury. Either way, I think the Fins are going to abandon the Wildcat a bit and go to a more traditional offense since it looks like Chad Henne can play. They may be willing to part with one of those back.

-New Orleans: Reggie Bush

The NFL Network talking heads were saying that R.Bush is due about $8mill next season. He's going to need to renegotiate or get cut. If he's cut, he would be a nice pickup to platoon with CP26 while we draft/develop another RB. We could offer an incentive-laden contract to protect ourselves in case he keeps getting injured.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

sad but, probably true Skinz2. It just would be great to see JC act like a Brady, Manning or Brees and go bat shi-t on the fat millionaires that are not doing their jobs.
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cliftonbiz, as I said before, there is no team to fire up. there are 53 players the wear redskins jersey we must accept this fact. How would you fire up these guys? what would you say to one of the O-lineman? if JC says to one "hey you need to block or do your job" the reply would be, "hey this is not my job, i am here for money, I was a wightwatcher before, be happy that I am doing this much after 10years absence from the game."
we are in rebuilding mode again.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 23, 2009 11:17 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 11:26 AM
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If an OL were to say something like that in a game, he would be running wind sprints until he puked for most of the coaches in the league. These guys take their job seriously, but it takes a strong coach to sometimes pull their heads out of their butts. This entire team is better than it has played. If you are watching, you see the same mistakes being made over and over again. This speaks poorly of coaching. When Laron Landry whiffs on tackles repeatedly, then someone isn't correcting him - and if he's being stubborn there's a little pine board for him to sit his butt on until he decides he needs to learn how to tackle properly.

Where Jason Campbell comes into this is he has to keep his players focused and not allow them to become distracted. Quarterbacks do this by getting in the face of their players. He needs to let those offensive tackles know the team believes in them, but they screwed up, don't do it again.

Whether it's Landry missing a tackle and getting intensive coaching after the game, or if it's Heyer getting beaten by a swim move and getting Campbell in his face, it is all about accountability. Someone has a job to do, they don't do it, they are going to hear about it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I've been throwing F bombs all morning trying to bait chRIs LaRrY and not even getting a flinch. And here I thought I was a master baiter ... a lifetime's work for nothing.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

p1, is this Davis guy worth a top 10 pick?

If not, could be an opportunity to trade back for more ones and/or twos and get more linemen, assuming there's a market for that kind of move.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse


I don't know if he's top 10 material.

We need a resident RI draft-geek to tell us more.

I'm just thinking that the more talented Otackles in the draft, the better for us.

Now that Vinny "there-were-no-tackles-worth-going-after" Cerratto is out the door, I'm confident that our new guys will find a way to grab one.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse
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If the draft board holds, San Fran will have 2 first rounders in the 10-15 range. We might be able to slide down outta the top 10 and snag our missing 3rd rounder back if San Fran covets someone at our position. Might align better with the available tackles, too.

walterfootball has us taking Davis and Jahvid Best (who I would check thoroughly for brain damage from that concussion he suffered) in rounds 1 and 2

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It's funny with Bruce Allen in charge some of the mocks are changing us from QB to OT.

Who is Bruce Campbell from maryland is he any good, is he worth the 6th pick in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, if the Skins could get BOTH Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown, Jason Campbell would be AWESOME again. The college careers of those two RBs are the reason the Skins drafted Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

walterfootball has us taking Davis and Jahvid Best (who I would check thoroughly for brain damage from that concussion he suffered) in rounds 1 and 2

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse


We'd have Kevin barnes and Jahvid Best on our roster.

Funny.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

f dcsween

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

It's funny with Bruce Allen in charge some of the mocks are changing us from QB to OT.

Who is Bruce Campbell from maryland is he any good, is he worth the 6th pick in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:43 AM
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He's a prospect but not 6th pick prospect. I could see him going somewhere around 20 - 25. The Redskins could trade down, get an extra pick and probably still get him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

walterfootball.com

They have us taking Campbell in the first and Jahvid Best RB Cal in the second, I could go for that if we get o-Line help in FA's

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, if the Skins could get BOTH Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown, Jason Campbell would be AWESOME again. The college careers of those two RBs are the reason the Skins drafted Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse


And with Carlos Rogers on the roster, we'd be the TigerSkins...

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Who is Bruce Campbell from maryland is he any good, is he worth the 6th pick in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:43 AM

He's a physcial freak. His OL coach says he's the Vernon Davis of Olmen. That said, he's had multiple injuries so buyer be ware.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

...also, weren't Cadillac and Earnest Graham both "Bruce Allen" guys??

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

p1, agreed. I hope they do, anyway.

Looking at Michael Bush's last 4 games, he appears to be a momentum guy, the more you feed him, the better he produces and the more likely he is to break off a big chunk. dude averaged 7.4 YPC when he got 18 carries against Denver. Not bad receiving, either.

I'd take him and a pic for LL whiffleballs, keep Ganther, draft Spiller, and OT (assuming a trade down, but we'll see if the draft guys think this is possible). Try to develop one of our current FS (Moore) or put Smoot in there. Tender Rogers, maybe that ends up as more pics too--there's a first time for everything.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The draft is going to depend on what BA does in FA, maybe this year we will actually go for some good role players instead of high priced names.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Who is Bruce Campbell from maryland is he any good, is he worth the 6th pick in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:43 AM

He's a physcial freak. His OL coach says he's the Vernon Davis of Olmen. That said, he's had multiple injuries so buyer be ware.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse


UMaryland has been a pretty good spot for finding decent Olinemen.

Jared Gaither, Edwin Williams, Stephon Heyer.

Friedgen plays a straight-up pro-style of football there. None of that option-oriented misdirection gimmicky crap, so those guys come into the NFL with pretty solid knowledge of the fundamentals.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

can we tender both JC and Thumbs, or do we have to pick and choose which to tender??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

can we tender both JC and Thumbs, or do we have to pick and choose which to tender??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:51 AM |

You can tender both, or all of your RFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

let e. williams start at center he is stronger and quicker than w. montgomery and will not get pushed into the QB like rabach who is weak, slow and overrated. campbell should be more vocal on the sidelines if players are not performing, there is no time in the huddle to scream and holler because of the play clock. campbell must get over that every one does not like him..just do your job and the hell with the people like that, do your job on the team forget about being mr. congenial.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

greg, I don't think there's a limit like there is with the franchise tag. we could do both.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins take a OL, he needs to be 320+, even the tackles... Did you see hat youngin' #73 (Name?), dude was TOO small out there.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

BTW, on one of the fins TDs Ricky took it in with a REALLY quick burst to the hole, them legs look fresh to me.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins take a OL, he needs to be 320+, even the tackles... Did you see hat youngin' #73 (Name?), dude was TOO small out there.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse
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Depends of the scheme. Shanahan thrived with traditionally undersized but athletic linemen

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Order in the universe has been restored. F the universal order.

The way restricted free agency works is that the team (1) signs the guy for a longer contract, (2) puts a tender offer on the table, which the player can sign or not, but if not, another team can sign the guy but needs to give draft picks depending on the level of the tender, or (3) not put an offer on the table, contract or tender, in which case the guy becomes unrestricted (and can be signed by anyone, including the non-offering team) for vet minimum or whatever.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bruce- If you are going to up grade this team.. why not sign some local talent like "Joshua Cribbs". The dude a straight up game changer and would be a perfect fit for skins. To make space 4 him cut Randle El.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 23, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The draft is going to depend on what BA does in FA, maybe this year we will actually go for some good role players instead of high priced names.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Not sure of your MLB affiliations, but the Nats finally have a solid GM in place and that's exactly what he's doing right now with the signings of solid role players in Pudge and the pitcher they got yesterday. That and they beefed up scouting dept. Hope Bruce will follow suit.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

As for JC, you can't put all of that loss on him, or any individual. That was a total team breakdown. They got punked by the Giants. On the offensive side, some of it is definitely on Campbell, but a good part is on the o-line and definitely on the coaching staff. They clearly didn't do enough to help keep him upright. The one play in particular where Dock went left, Rabach went right and the LB for the Giants had a straight shot up the A-gap (even though he was up close to the line showing blitz) was telling. You can't put that on Campbell, he had barely hit is third step and was getting buried.

I don't know about JC for next year and going forward. He's not a natural decision-maker, not overly accurate and doesn't have great touch. But he's shown he is capable of being a solid starter. And there's no question he's tough and has a ton of heart. He may not be a good vocal leader, but it's hard for any guys on the offense to complain about anything when #17 is getting drilled repeatedly and still getting up.

He may still be the best option for next year. I hesitate to put all of the eggs in the rookie QB basket. Sometimes you get Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger. More often you get Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Heath Shuler, Akili Smith....etc etc etc

Posted by: ts35 | December 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think there are three levels of restricted free agent tender. For the guys you want to keep, you tender at the highest level and hope for the best.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Legend has it that Rabach's nad sack is bigger than his heart.

Either that or he does skin strengthening on his ballsack rather than muscle strengthening on his his legs and arms.

I guess life must suck without his boy, Jansen.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Why is it taking so long for the axe to start swinging? I'm so done with this group of coaches and the Miami U Losers. C'MON SNYDER LETS GET THIS SHIP CLEANED UP!! LETS GO BRUCE!!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 23, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dock went left, Rabach went right and the LB for the Giants had a straight shot up the A-gap (even though he was up close to the line showing blitz) was telling....

All it told me was that JC should have been in shot gun, which if he had, the RB would have had a chance to pick the blitz...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Romo,

No MLB team but since I live here I root for the Nats, there GM is doing a good job picking up players so they won't lose 100 games next year. Hopefully he can build a winner there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I got no problems if they bring Daniels back, he holds the point well, and can slide inside, and hold up there as well..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse
I agree, BTG, Daniels is holding up very well this season, and is versatile enough to move inside. You've got to keep him.

Wynn and Samuels would make good coaches for next year.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

For a Safety not to be able to cover receivers and to miss tackles repeatedly is just not reasonable. This B.S. of trying to kill somebody and then missing the tackle is ridiculous. Landry is not going to improve by being benched or by being held accountable. He's just not a good Safety. Get rid of him.

Posted by: johnnyreds | December 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Gee whiz, if we'd never let Ryan Clark go, he could have been mentoring LaRon as he mentored Sean Taylor before him...

Damn it, why did we ever let Ryan Clark go?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd say winning 70 would be a good start...anywho, back to skins/sawks/yanks/bamas blog...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell was just saying what a lot of the team's players who care were thinking. The O-Lineman simply have very little talent and Heyer was playing on one leg so they didn't start a guy off the practice squad. M. Williams is horrible and should be gone after the season. Levi Jones is at best a serviceable RT being forced to play LT...I'm surprised JC didn't vent about the poor protection about 10 games ago. Most QB's would have been done for the season by now with the its he's taken.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Landry is not going to improve by being benched or by being held accountable. He's just not a good Safety. Get rid of him.

Posted by: johnnyreds | December 23, 2009 12:23 PM

Respectfully (as in F respect), I disagree. The guy has something that motivates him. A good coach needs to figure that out and get him to take his own game up a notch. Sean Taylor's early career was about the kill shot. Because of the Pro Bowl, plus his lady (not sure when the baby fit into the picture), he turned his life and his game around. I'm not saying that that formula works, but I think at a minimum, Landry would work best under a coordinator or coach who embraces aggressiveness. Grilliams was that. Blache, not so much. [I don't think Zorn does aggression.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Respectfully (as in F respect), I disagree."

I disagree with your disagreement.

Landry sucks. Period.

I hope the first day Shanahan takes over he just walks up to the mic and says,"Effective immediately, these players are cut: Landry, Sellers, Portis, Randel El, Campbell, the entire offensive line....and we just traded Albert Haynesworth because he's always complaining that his fat hurts."

I mean these people EVERY week screw up so bad that they lose games because of these clowns. It's not fair the the rest of the team.

Name one good play Landry has made all year? That's right you can't because he sucks.

Get rid of them all, they all suck and have no business playing in the NFL let alone on the Redskins. They can't play football.

Two more weeks and the healing begins!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dock went left, Rabach went right and the LB for the Giants had a straight shot up the A-gap (even though he was up close to the line showing blitz) was telling....

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All it told me was that JC should have been in shot gun, which if he had, the RB would have had a chance to pick the blitz...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Well, you can't be in shotgun all the time, but yes, they should have been trying other things earlier like shotgun, like max-protect, like moving the pocket, like screens, other than just trying to repeatedly hit the quick slant. They tried one screen early on that I saw. The Giants sniffed it out so they never went back to it until later in the first half at least, if not the 2nd half and the ill-fated double-super-secret-reverse-screen that ended up as a pick-6.

Posted by: ts35 | December 23, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Now this is what a great QB does (sarcasm alert).

Report: Childress, Favre at odds over offense
Posted by Mike Florio on December 23, 2009 12:38 PM ET
We decided to take a 12-hour break from posting anything regarding the Childress-Favre feud because, really, there's nothing new to say about it.

But the 12 hours are up, and there's something new to say, courtesy of the network that will milk this cow until 24 hours after Monday night's game between Minnesota and Chicago has ended.

Ed Werder of ESPN has gotten inside the heads of Brad Childress and Brett Favre, and Werder reports that the tension arises from disagreement regarding the influence each man should have in the offense.

Werder, who cites multiple team sources in support of his report, claims that the talk regarding the possible removal of Favre from multiple games arises not from a desire to protect Favre, but from Favre's tendency to change the plays that have been called.

(Given the subtle pro-Favre tone of the report and Werder's history of interviewing Favre and lack of history specifically covering the Vikings, it's not a stretch to conclude that Favre is one of Werder's sources.)

Werder also reports that Favre resents that Childress "seldom" discusses the game plan with Favre, and that Childress rarely asks for Favre's input. And when Favre changes the play, Childress "bristles," even when the audible works.

By taking the situation public, Childress is now powerless to remove Favre under the guise of protecting him, or for any other reason. So Favre is running the show in Minnesota, and nothing Childress says or does can change it.

His best bet, then, would be to enjoy the fact that Favre's performance has removed Chilly from a very hot seat, resulting in a long-term extension. And while Brett is running the offense the way he sees fit, Childress can spend his free time trying to figure out how he'll regain the confidence and respect of the players who'll be on the team once Favre is gone.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Being aggressive is one thing. But Landry can't cover me, he repeteadly takes the wrong angle on passes all the time. Right now he is just taking up space. Maybe if he gains a few pounds they could use him as an OLB!

Posted by: joeboggs | December 23, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, rmcazz, Landry has made some good plays this year. It's just that his propensity for spectacular gaffes has resulted in a massive lowlight reel that dominates our view of him.

That's precisely why I remember a few times thinking, "wow, Landry made a good play there!" Because it was so unusual to just see him competently do his job.

*sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Laron Landry makes my head hurt. I think the guy was actually a better player last year. He missed the mini camps, not calling his coach to let him know why or if he would ever show up. In the preseason, Blache was marveling about how Landry was going to be a beast this year. In the regular season he takes bad angles and misses sure tackles by trying to blow guys up. When the coaches talk about Landry they still talk about him like he's an awesome force back there. I think the problem with him is they are asking him to do too much. Blache likes to use one deep safety and this is Landry. He's asked to cover sideline to sideline. I just don't think this fits with Landry. He's a keeper, but maybe some fresh faces in the coaching ranks will do him wonders.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Name one good play Landry has made all year? That's right you can't because he sucks."

Nothing to rave over but he played well in Oakland. And other than those two cheese bating TDs he gave up, he played well against the Saints.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

LL30 = Roy Williams

Mad hyped for a year or 2 b/c of physical play and big hits.

Then everyone realized they couldn't cover me with a blanket if they found me napping on their living room couch.

We need to trade LL30 while his stock is still reasonable.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

More Landry bashing:
Plus the fact that the chances of him getting a 15 yarder is high!

Posted by: joeboggs | December 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Good morning,

I want JC to stay with us, and agree that with some improvement on the oline, he could be a decent QB for us. HOWEVER, after the MNF game, I now wonder is JC even wants to be back with the Redskins. If not, then best of luck to him wherever he lands.

Posted by: httr20081 | December 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, rmcazz, Landry has made some good plays this year.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 12:59 PM

Landry's got 69 tackles this year, his biggest year in the NFL. Only London Fletcher and Reed Doughty have more. He's got a sack, and INT, and has caused two fumbles.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I like Favre, best QB to ever do it IMO...

But his constant will I/won't I, should I/shouldn't I started to wear on me three years ago. Other than the annual offseason f__k up, It gave me another reason to resent the offseason.

I can't say I don't enjoy seeing this blow up in the Vikings grill. I mean really, what were they expecting from Favre? They were the sexy picks before the season started, along with the Saints, and now that the seasons coming to a close it's starting to look like they may have peaked too early.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

can we please fire jim zorn now?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Landry's got 69 tackles this year, his biggest year in the NFL. Only London Fletcher and Reed Doughty have more. He's got a sack, and INT, and has caused two fumbles.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse


Great!

We should emphasize those things in trade discussions.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

We should emphasize those things in trade discussions.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:13 PM

Or to the next D coordinator.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Nothing to rave over but he played well in Oakland. And other than those two cheese bating TDs he gave up, he played well against the Saints.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

That's like saying "aside from grazing that iceberg, the captain of the Titanic did a fine job"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 23, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Can we get some Dallas week conversation started? Dallas is going to run a lot of misdirection plays against the defense. The cowboys are going to try the establish the run like the giants, so that they could be in third and short situations. The Skins will need to play a little more man and pressure Romo to get the cowboys off schedule.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

LL30 = Roy Williams

Come the f on, p1 man. That's a little harsh. Roy Williams absolutely couldn't cover at all. Landry double move bating can be fixed.

Did anyone see when a Roddy White (a really good WR) tried to double move Darrelle Revis (an outstanding DB)?

Revis wasn't having none of it... Never broke stride with White. The double move is simply a mental thing. The only way it can be defended is through instinct.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that word out of Ashburn, VA., is that Bruce Allen is perhaps regretting his decision to become the General Manager of the Washington Redskins. Someone close to Bruce's attorney is closely looking over the contract he signed to determine if there is any chance of him getting out of the deal. Bruce apparently had a change of heart after seeing Washington get dismantled on Monday night by the Giants"

Are you FRIGGIN KIDDING ME???????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

We should emphasize those things in trade discussions.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:13 PM

Or to the next D coordinator.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse


If LL30 is on the roster, I think these are the things that need to be emphasized to the next D coordinator:

1) can't tackle
2) can't cover

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think the fact that Zorn wasn't fired Tuesday shows that Allen really is in charge. You know that bama Snyder would have axed Zorn with the quickness after that loss.

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 23, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

LL30 = Roy Williams

Come the f on, p1 man. That's a little harsh. Roy Williams absolutely couldn't cover at all. Landry double move bating can be fixed.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

You need to rewatch Laron landry attempting to cover Darren McFadden when he split out wide.

No double-moves there. Just straight toast.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Landry, Arrington, Orakpo, J. Taylor...

disturbing trend of the Greg(g)'s making players move to positions that fit their strengths.

Landry has the athleticism to be good, lets hope a different DC moves him to SS and can coach him up.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The only way it can be defended is through instinct.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:18 PM |

And film study. Doc Walker mentioned earlier this year that the younins in the secondary aren't looking at enough film. That's on you Mr. Gray for not putting your foot up there arses.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

1) can't tackle
2) can't cover

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:19 PM

69 tackles. Third on the team. But, don't let the facts get in your way.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

^should be "positions that DON'T fit their strengths"

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Nothing to rave over but he played well in Oakland. And other than those two cheese bating TDs he gave up, he played well against the Saints.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

That's like saying "aside from grazing that iceberg, the captain of the Titanic did a fine job"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Whateves, _LMG. I'm calling it as I see them. Those were back breaking TDs he gave up, but Landry was all over the place that game. He played well in Dallas also.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"....wasn't sure about Rinehart to be honest, but I would like to see Williams get more reps."


You might want to think twice about this.

While watching Monday Night's game, it appeared the right side of the skins' line couldn't handle the 'twists' and various 'stunts' that jints were running.

And the player highlighted by Mike Mayock on the NFL Network's Playbook show who failed to do so: Mike Williams.

Williams is a drive blocker, which is great if you have a lead, and decide to pound the ball to kill the clock.

But that wasn't the case Monday.

And as a guard, he's not going to pull, isn't a great screen blocker, and can be beaten in space in passing situations.

He's a bigger, badder version of Pete Kendell.

Mike Williams won't do as a starter.

The decision to release Jeremy Bridges (rg/rt) to keep Williams was triple times dumb.

So add 'right guard' to the list of offensive linemen the team needs.

And with Dockery pushing 30, you might think about 'left guard' as well.

Thank God there are only five spots on the line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 23, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

You need to rewatch Laron landry attempting to cover Darren McFadden when he split out wide.

No double-moves there. Just straight toast.

Posted by: p1funk


Was it possible that he could've been expecting help from over the top?

I know that most of you post negative stuff about players that you don't care for, and can't ever be partial to the positive things they do on the field, but try and take the "I hate him, f__k him" shades off for a minute...

And for the record before people start asking why and how, I'm not defending Landry. I'm all too aware of his short-comings on the field. I'm just pointing out some of his more positive moments since it's trendy nowadays to dump on the dude constantly.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:23 PM

Really, you're really defending dirty thirty?

I'm not saying we should cut the guy, just get a FS in FA and play to his strengths.

His strengths are not coverage, playing in space (playing center field), and anytime he has to THINK about who to cover or which zone to fill.

Are far as tackling, his total is 69, but if didn’t close his eyes and put his head down and whiff, he’d have between 90-100.

Ichiro has a better connect rate than LL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What RedDMV said.

I'm starting to think Beantown's wrong about Red bein' bama.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If LL30 is on the roster, I think these are the things that need to be emphasized to the next D coordinator:

1) can't tackle
2) can't cover

Posted by: p1funk

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Also,

3) speed and athleticism of a corner
4) strength of a linebacker
5) best blitzer on the roster
6) maintains gap assignments

Very simple. Keep him out of the open field, and keep him on designated assignments around the LOS.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I do agree that they need a RG (I'd prefer a draft pick there), I think I would like to see what BMW does at guard at a full offseason at that position before writing him off.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I am not religious.

But I wish you all a Merry Christmas with the idea that you remember that the day is about the birth of the world's greatest humanist and philosopher.

Sit your kids down and tell them about his birth in a manager.

Tell them the baby born in the lowest of circumstances encouraged us all--regardless of creed--to aspire to the highest of heights.

You don't have to be a Christian or religious to appreciate the idea that we should work to treat each other with the utmost respect.

That we shold love one another.

Even when we suck.

Peace.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Trade Reed Doughty.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 23, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Dammit, Beaner! you did it too me again.

lmao.

Just plausible enough to make me jump.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 23, 2009 1:27 PM

Moe- I think he was refering to EDWIN Williams. We have to many Williams...Eddie, Edwin, Mike.

I'd like to see Edwin play C not OG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Really, you're really defending dirty thirty?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 1:32 PM

All I did was to put up his statistics that are available to anyone on NFL.com. His statistics and contribution to the team speak for themselves. How does that translate into "defending him"?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

ds, I don't get it?? what did I do??

moe, post of the Year!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

you guys have to go to PFT and watch the video of the two people who were dumb enough to wear 49er jersey's to an Eagles home game, they are getting pummeled with snowballs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think Beantown's wrong about Red bein' bama.

you have no idea what you just suggested do you......??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

A bama isn't the worst person in the world.

A 'gump', is way worse. Also getting called 'Unc' like short for Uncle is bad also, especially if you're older.

"Look at this Unc. Ol' gump ass bama smelling..."

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

red knows this because of how everyone greeted him at Thanksgiving.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:39 PM

I'm not buying it. You're defending him, you relish the underdog in the fight and consistently take that stance.

It's OK… Once Blatche, Gray, etc are gone, you'll see 30 develop into a pro bowl caliber SS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

1) can't tackle
2) can't cover

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:19 PM

69 tackles. Third on the team. But, don't let the facts get in your way.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse


Sorry, you are right.

Since they don't keep statistics of # of missed tackles, the facts indicate that Laron Landry needs absolutely no coaching or help with his tackling.

My bad.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This Guy Campbell - Like Portis and Satana-CAN NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.

Everytime I hear Campbell on the Lavar show I cringe/recoil/squirm ugh!

These guys can barely put two sentences together,bro!

When he says time it sounds tyne

He said " We wasn't prepared" We was overmatched"

I remeber a few months ago maybe last years...ALL recievers complained that they couldnt understand Campbell on the Huddle! No wonder why.

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 23, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

This Guy Campbell - Like Portis and Satana-CAN NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.

Everytime I hear Campbell on the Lavar show I cringe/recoil/squirm ugh!

These guys can barely put two sentences together,bro!

When he says time it sounds tyne

He said " We wasn't prepared" We was overmatched"

I remeber a few months ago maybe last years...ALL recievers complained that they couldnt understand Campbell on the Huddle! No wonder why.

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 23, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Very simple. Keep him out of the open field, and keep him on designated assignments around the LOS.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse


Which leads to some very simple offensive game planning.

Get LL30 isolated in coverage.

Pick on him.

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

A week ago some people were saying the Skins should keep Zorn for one more year and Campbell for one more year.. after Monday I hope they now know why the Skins can't.. Zorn is over his head.. that fake FG??? Is he kidding?? And Campbell.. where's the leadership?? He has NONE.. Giants have a long scoring drive and he goes 3 and out.. Giants long scoring drive again.. and again Campbell goes 3 and out.. and before you blame EVERYONE BUT Campbell.. Collins comes in, after not playing for 2 YEARS, and a throws a deep pass Campbell has almost never thrown IN 2 YEARS!! Collins also throws a perfect pass that SHOULD have been a TD.. Yeah he got hit but he made plays.. Vinny is gone GREAT.. NOW DUMP ZORN AND CAMPBELL!! This team needs LEADERS it NEEDS WINNERS!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | December 23, 2009 9:30 AM |

Sovine08: Best post on this thread. You hit the nail on the head!

Posted by: bones21 | December 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

no, my youngest uncle greeted me as such: "Hey motherf__ker! Bring your big ass here and give me a hug!"

No lie... I think he already had a fifth of Remy by 4:30 that afternoon.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Which leads to some very simple offensive game planning.

Get LL30 isolated in coverage.

Pick on him.

Posted by: p1funk


Would be as easy if they were in a 3-4. Or ran some sort of 4-3 hybrid that included a 4-3, 3-4, and 4-6 base.

They have the personnel to do it.

They should go to it.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

1) can't tackle
2) can't cover

Posted by: p1funk | December 23, 2009 1:19 PM

69 tackles. Third on the team. But, don't let the facts get in your way.

Posted by: League-Source

Do they keep stats on missed tackles? He's got to be first or second on the team in that too...or don't those count? I believe he's also first on the team in having his pants pulled down and being embarassed on a weekly basis...but that's strictly an unofficial stat, and there are lots of contenders on the team for that title this year.

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"Also,

3) speed and athleticism of a corner
4) strength of a linebacker
5) best blitzer on the roster
6) maintains gap assignments

Very simple. Keep him out of the open field, and keep him on designated assignments around the LOS."

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Right off the bat #6 is just not true. And I would argue that #37 Doughty has been a more effective blitzer this year.

The problem with the rest of your argument is that you're making a great case for him to be a linebacker or a DL, not a safety. Whether he's the free or strong safety he'll spend at least as much time in coverage as he will forcing things on the line of scrimmage.

I try not to dogpile on players, but the problem is I haven't seen enough improvement. He's still making the same mistakes. Some of that is on Gray and Blache, but at the end of the day, he's the one getting embarrassed, and you would think he would be motivated to change his play on the field. Not questioning his work ethic or how much film he watches or whatever, because I have zero idea of what he does to prepare, but obviously we are not seeing results on the field.

And I grant that he's not alone. Rogers, Hall, Smoot and the rest have all also made more than their fair share of mistakes. So maybe some of the glaring mistakes on long TDs aren't all on him, but the opposing teams sure seem to be looking for which side of the field he's on, and the Raiders clearly went after him directly.

Posted by: ts35 | December 23, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Trade Reed Doughty.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

He was all over the field Monday night. He and Fletch were the one's I remember actually trying. As your handle implies, it's all about the $, not the team I guess.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"It's just a tough situation," Campbell said. "Guys are doing the best they can out there, but you know you're going up against the New York Giants' defense. You know what that means."
Shut the hell up and man up you piece of garbage. Does this mean that everytime you play the Gint's you role over. I am so tired of your weakness and lack of confidence and leadership. Please leave town with your buddy Zorn as soon as possible. Come on Shanny, bring some respect back to this team.
Fred Davis, stop grandstanding like you are ahead by 20 points. Your starting to look like LL.

Posted by: diamond_jim | December 23, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

He was all over the field Monday night. He and Fletch were the one's I remember actually trying. As your handle implies, it's all about the $, not the team I guess.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

1st off, good try with guessing on the handle. I laughed when CP said that to b.mitch that's why I went with it.

I'm not going to say you're some old angry guy that thinks he knows what's best just cuz he was a fan during the golden yrs for the skins.

I think Doughty plays well enough, I suggested trading him because the team really has 3 SS.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 23, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I am old and angry, but that's besides the point! LOL.

I think Reed is a keeper. Reminds me of a guy like Thrash. Works his tail off, gives 100% always and doesn't have the natural athletic ability some of these other guys have.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

When you guys are trying to hang LL out to dry, get it right: the safeties coach is Steve Jackson, not Jerry Gray.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Reed is a keeper. Reminds me of a guy like Thrash. Works his tail off, gives 100% always and doesn't have the natural athletic ability some of these other guys have.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Just to make it clear, I don't dislike Doughty.

I respect that he works hard. Problem is, you can't build a team out of guys that just try hard but lack athleticism.

I would trade him because the Skins have 3 starting quality Strong Safeties(I'm including LL).

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 23, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough. Put it on Steve Jackson as well, but Gray is the overall Secondary coach in addition to the cornerbacks coach. And Blache is the DC, so I'm assuming they both have a little say in how he plays, when he plays and if he plays.

Posted by: ts35 | December 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

On Landry and the secondary in general. The best thing ANY coach can do is to get the players in the right place mentally.

What do I mean by that? Get the players so they motivate themselves to become better players. You can't teach much to guys that aren't interested in learning. Jerry Gray may know every technique in the book, but if his students aren't motivated to learn, so what.

The player that stands out in this area as a positive example is Fletcher. I doubt the guy has gone a day without thinking about how he is going to get better.

The coach that stands out in this area is Gregg Williams, who had guys completely bought in.

But with this team, Gray, perhaps Bugel and perhaps the coaches in general, have lost this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I keep tuning into the WaPo sports page to see if Zorn has been fired and Campbell has been benched for good.

How long you think before both happen?

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey PPSrt8:

You stink, take a shower.

RedSkinHead:

F*** it!!! they all go, especially GRAY.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 23, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"Right off the bat #6 is just not true. And I would argue that #37 Doughty has been a more effective blitzer this year."

#6 is true. In fact, aside from London Fletcher, I'd argue that Landry has been the most important cog in our short-yardage defense by consistently blowing up the gaps he's been assigned to. And our short-yardage defense, contrary to our open-field defense, has been excellent this year (last week notwithstanding).

Doughty gets sent on more blitzes than Landry, but that doesn't mean he's been more effective when comparing their consistency and penetration when they do get sent.

Landry will get put into coverage at SS at times, sure, and maybe he needs to be in a more rotational role until he shows he can consistently be counted on for every snap. But he is the most physically gifted player on this roster, and he DOES have outstanding qualities that can be utilized by a creative defensive mind.

And trust me, I'm no Landry fiend. Before the season even started, I said that I thought Horton was and would be a better safety, and people thought I was crazy. But I'm not ready to throw away a top 10 draft pick talent in only his 3rd season.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

^^^wtf?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember seeing us go in motion once in the whole game...

ugh...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

psps is right. when you see Landry hyped up and "stunting" it's usually because he blew up a run play at the line of scrimmage.

Play him closer to the line of scrimmage like he was intended to do from the jump.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I'd absolutely keep Doughty. He's been the best safety we have. He is the only guy back there who seems hungry enough to max out his talent.

This team has plenty of talent ... but it has a ton of guys who aren't that interested in getting the most out of themselves. Moss, Portis, Landry, Hall and Rogers are examples of it. Devin Thomas and Fred Davis are examples of guys who were on the wrong side of this and might have turned it around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Loss makes him wonder about everything? Right, after 5 years he should be wondering how come he ain't better because we're wondering. He can't even call audibles for crying out loud. After being in different systems, he should know what the heck he needs to do. Don't anybody give me this crap about a bad O line and different systems. Bull. It ain't rocket science but when you're a deer in the headlights, you can't function anywhere. Cut your losses Allen, let him go.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

psps is right. when you see Landry hyped up and "stunting" it's usually because he blew up a run play at the line of scrimmage.

Play him closer to the line of scrimmage like he was intended to do from the jump.

Posted by: RedDMV

Since this team seems enamored with small'ish sized linebackers, maybe we could turn LL into one? He likes playing closer to the line, and he could cover the TE's that eat up Rocky and Fletch and 'Po.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Just spoke to my boss, who is Gregg Williams Brother in Law. Sounds like to him that Gregg will be the next head coach for DALLAS......

Suck.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I must behaving some kind of interpretation issue here.

Portis calls out his linemen for not always giving their best...he's declared a self-serving tool.

Saint Jason calls out the WHOLE TEAM, and he's a brilliant leader.

Doesn't seem quite like the same standard is being used to measure "character" here, maybe it's metric inches?

Yeah, I don't expect reason...this is a blog board, after all...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 23, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

ds, IIRC, we did, and got flagged for it for having 2 at the same time or something like that.....galactic fail...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it matters one lick who we keep or let go. The new coarches will have to start from scratch either way.

What surprises me is that none of the players save Haynesworth really seemed to give a SJK if they make next year's squad or not.

Kudos to Fat Albert for stepping up in DHall's defense.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sovine wrote:

A week ago some people were saying the Skins should keep Zorn for one more year and Campbell for one more year.. after Monday I hope they now know why the Skins can't.. Zorn is over his head.. that fake FG??? Is he kidding?? And Campbell.. where's the leadership?? He has NONE.. Giants have a long scoring drive and he goes 3 and out.. Giants long scoring drive again.. and again Campbell goes 3 and out.. and before you blame EVERYONE BUT Campbell.. Collins comes in, after not playing for 2 YEARS, and a throws a deep pass Campbell has almost never thrown IN 2 YEARS!! Collins also throws a perfect pass that SHOULD have been a TD.. Yeah he got hit but he made plays.. Vinny is gone GREAT.. NOW DUMP ZORN AND CAMPBELL!! This team needs LEADERS it NEEDS WINNERS!!!

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 23, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

thats funny, I just got a text from my sisters boyfriends frat-brothers attorney's plumber, who said that Gregg was going on The Biggest Loser weight loss show next year.....weird??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"What surprises me is that none of the players save Haynesworth really seemed to give a SJK if they make next year's squad or not."

Haynesworth and Hall have both impressed me a lot with their passion. Others on the defense: Fletcher, Orakpo, Carter, McIntosh, Doughty, Alexander

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

thats funny, I just got a text from my sisters boyfriends frat-brothers attorney's plumber, who said that Gregg was going on The Biggest Loser weight loss show next year.....weird??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Well is this not Redksins Insder? he was in the elevator with GG before the Dallas game and Gregg said you know the coaches in Dallas are horrible that team should have been 14-2 so far. Its funny i took over for Wade after he left Buffalo too,

no one else said a word after that.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

.. Giants have a long scoring drive and he goes 3 and out.. Giants long scoring drive again.. and again Campbell goes 3 and out.. and before you blame EVERYONE BUT Campbell..

Posted by: sovine08 | December 23, 2009 9:30 AM |

Ummm, on the 3 and out, Campbell dropped back twice. both times hit got hit by a jint player who came in UNTOUCHED!!

Campbell had a bad game and the pick 6 was totally on him. But the number of times that a jint player came through untouched to the QB was amazing. Not sure how QB leadership fixes that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Just spoke to my boss, who is Gregg Williams Brother in Law. Sounds like to him that Gregg will be the next head coach for DALLAS......

Suck.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 2:43 PM

I just got off the phone with Gregg William's sister and she confirmed the second G was for Genius.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo, Carter, and McIntosh were noticeably absent monday night from my vantage point

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey I have a fraternity brother that knows an attorney who uses a plumber and his 4th cousin is married to the 3rd cousin of Tom Brady and apparently Tom is tired of New england and wants to be closer to his 5th cousin in Virginia and is willing to come to DC beat that one

Posted by: connskins | December 23, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I just got off the phone with Gregg William's sister and she confirmed the second G was for Genius.

Posted by: Diesel44

Ok so i post something that is relative news and no one in skin nation cares? You would rather mock? I don't get it.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

skinball, all I'm saying is that I heard different......it was probably a combination of both what you said, and what I said, he'll become the Dallas coach, only if he loses some weight....he'll probably get the lipo from JJones plastic surgeon.....

PFT is prolly gonna run with this soon....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Suisham already told Cowboys about gadget play
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 23, 2009 2:52 PM ET
It may not be fair, but Monday's trick play disaster heard round the world will go down in history as part of Jim Zorn's legacy in Washington.

Now we may know why Zorn was in such a hurry to run the play -- even after the Giants called timeout before it. Zorn knew he couldn't use it this week.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said Wednesday that former Redskins kicker Shaun Suisham told his new team, the Cowboys, about whatever that play was.

This news adds even more spice to the Suisham revenge bowl, although it looks like the dream of the Redskins signing Nick Folk won't happen.

We would have liked to see what Phillips did to prepare for the gadget play if he knew it was coming.

Perhaps he could have devised the same ingenious plan New York used: Send multiple defenders at helpless and terrified Redskins punter Hunter Smith.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Everyone was pretty much absent on Monday. That's a game where you almost can't even take anything away from it, it was so universally bad.

Posted by: psps23 | December 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Ever heard the phrase don't shoot the messenger, beantown you SUCK at that.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the team needs leaders!
Get rid of the old team leaders and sign some new ones. Then when they don't lead after 2-3 games, cut'em and sign some new team leaders.
Lil' Danny would be so proud....
That's the problem folks, we can't sign every issue away. 1 or 2 FA's aren't going to win the SB. 1-2 coaches won't get us in the playoffs. 1-2 FO people will not turn this thing around.
It takes patience, time and development for this franchise to get better.

Posted by: priceisright | December 23, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Soup's agent should be on the phone with Bruce Allen telling him "I don't care if the 'Skins sign JC or not - my guy ain't playing another down behind that pathetic excuse of an O-Line." What kind of contract can Soup expect if he's mashed into the turf and in the ICU for the holidays?

Posted by: rastines | December 23, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell, I quit on you after the first Giants game last year because I knew that it had been 3 plus years and you were only going to be a dead end road. I don't care if if you get to a team with a great offensive line or not, you will be mediocre at best for the rest of you career. Just like the Eddie Jordan supporters, The JC supporters can cheer for the next team he is on!

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | December 23, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

guess what Soup, we've been "questioning everything" for a long time now son. I know one answer, Soup you aren't a starting NFL QB as you've ably proven and sadly it does not appear you will ever be a winner, even on a good team.

as for the idiot who suggested trading Reed Doughty, as someone already pointed out on that, he is the best safety we have at this point. trade your best player, who are you, Vinny in disguise now? RD always hustles and never shys away from delivering a big hit or sticking his face into the opposing runner even when it's Jacobs or some other beast like that. and he's a sure tackler and a good blitzer.

for god's sake you keep players like that.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 23, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

SkinzNWiz -- Apparently, you don't know enough about Campbell to even comment intelligently on him. He might've been in the NFL at that point for three-plus years, but he'd only played in about 20-some games -- not even the equivalent of two full seasons.

His current QB rating of 87.0 is better than 90% of all QBs in their third full seasons (starting more than 10 games in each season). Those who were better are the phenoms like Favre, Rivers, Peyton Manning, and Brees. Redskins Super Bowl QBs Theismann, Rypien, and Williams were all worse in their third full seasons as starting QBs.

Each season, Campbell's rating has gone up; each season, he's had more 90+ rating games (8 this season) and fewer with ratings below 70 (only two of those this season).

His career rating of 82.2 puts him at #32 out of 157 eligible all-time QBs. That rating is higher than that of many Hall of Fame QBs and all but five Redskins QBs.

So, Campbell is progressing very well and is ahead of the vast majority of QBs in their third full seasons. Most famed QBs hit their strides in their fifth starting seasons. Campbell at his rate of improvement, he'll be in the top 10 of active starting QBs next year. (He's #16 right now.)

Lastly, I don't want to hear that garbage about "his" record -- it's the TEAM's record. A lot of players, coaches, and front office have contributed to the Redskins' losing record during Campbell's time.

So, you're absolutely right that I'll be cheering on Campbell wherever he is -- and the Redskins would be smart to keep him.

Posted by: Andrew53 | December 23, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope the first day Shanahan takes over he just walks up to the mic and says,"Effective immediately, these players are cut: Landry, Sellers, Portis, Randel El, Campbell, the entire offensive line....and we just traded Albert Haynesworth because he's always complaining that his fat hurts."
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That was soooooooooooooo funny! But I agree! All of the players listed need to go and so does Carlos Rodgers and of course Jim Zorn. Rodgers repeatedly stood and watched on running plays to his side while the Giants got 1rst down after first down. Zorn calling that fake feild goal pay TWICE was a mockery to the team, coaching, and the organization as a whole. That play wouldn't have worked in little league football......which is exactly how the skinz played on Monday night. Jason Campbell will NEVER be the leader and/or superbowl QB we need. He just doesn't have it in him.

Posted by: thedynamichooper | December 24, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

So, you're absolutely right that I'll be cheering on Campbell wherever he is -- and the Redskins would be smart to keep him.
Posted by: Andrew53
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Good you do that I will be cheering the REDSKINS.. hopefully with Campbell playing somewhere else. Your whole defense of Campbell is QB rating but that doesn't come close to telling the full story of a QB. Campbell throws mainly short safe passes so of of course his completion percentage is high and his interceptions are low.. but also the number of TD's he throws is low. Not to mention since he scores so few points usally the Redskins are down by 2 or more scores meaning other teams play prevent defense. So again Campbell cam complete a lot of short passes.. thats find for the other team as it burns the clock. Wins and loses count because QB rating doesn't take into account of how a QB plays in a big must win game or at the end of the game when a team needs a big time drive to win. That's where Campbell fails. Look at what Big Ben did against the Packers.. Campbell might have a higher QB rating than Ben but he could never do that.

Posted by: sovine08 | December 24, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I think of Sean Taylor, I wonder if he would have played on this Redskin team and how he would have affected the out come of some of these games, the sort of guys on this team make me sick to my belly. I wonder if it were at all possible to purge all 53 members including the ball boys and start allover next year, I never again wanna see Jason Campbell,s Mr ED, style teeth showing through his face mask on my tv.

Posted by: zimife1999 | December 29, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

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