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Campbell to prepare as if he is the Redskins' starter

Back in town after taking a little time off, quarterback Jason Campbell is ready to work.

"It's about time to get it started again," Campbell said before his appearance today on Comcast SportsNet's "Washington Post Live with Ivan Carter."

"Real soon, we're going to start our workouts to get in shape for next season. I think guys are going to approach the workouts excited because it's going to be a little different this year with some of the changes in the organization. It's going to be a fresh start."

The Redskins have undergone a major organizational overhaul, and players will learn more about the changes when they participate in the offseason conditioning program that is expected to begin in mid-March.


Owner Daniel Snyder ousted former top football official Vinny Cerrato and former coach Jim Zorn and hired General Manager Bruce Allen and Coach Mike Shanahan in hopes of restoring the franchise to prominence. The Redskins have finished last in the NFC East the past two seasons and failed to win a game in the division during the 2009 season.

"Mr. Snyder definitely wants to win, and when you bring in people like Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan it shows how serious you are about trying to reach that championship level," Campbell said. "I've run into Coach Shanahan a little when I've been up at [Redskins Park], and you understand as soon as you talk to him why he's been successful.

"He has a great offensive mind, but you know he's also going to bring that discipline to the team, which we need. And with Bruce Allen, you know he's going to make smart decisions. He's done that his whole career. So I definitely feel the organization is in good hands with Coach Shanahan and Bruce Allen, and we're all going to be on the same page."

There has been speculation that the Redskins will select a quarterback with the fourth overall pick in the NFL draft, "but that's just speculation," Campbell said. "No one really knows what's going to happen.

"I'm just going to approach it like I'm going to be here and be the quarterback. That's the only way I can approach it. You have to prepare like you're going to be the starter."

As a restricted free agent, Campbell is not free to leave for another team. His agent is expected to begin negotiations soon with the Redskins.

"I just leave all that contract stuff to my agent, but I want to be here and I'm preparing to be here," Campbell said. "And I think we have a new direction that's going to be good for the Redskins. I believe that."

By Jason Reid  |  February 20, 2010; 8:28 AM ET
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Owner Daniel Snyder ousted former top football official Vinny Cerrato and former coach Jim Zorn and hired General Manager Bruce Allen and Coach Mike Shanahan in hopes of restoring the franchise to prominence. The Redskins have finished last in the NFC East the past two seasons and failed to win a game in the division during the 2009 season.

By Jason Reid | February 20, 2010; 8:28 AM ET

This is the type of late-breaking news that you can only get on Redskins Insider! Keep it up, Jason.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 20, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Yes! Campbell will prove how good he is in Shannahan" offense. Can't wait for training camp

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

O.K. SOUP get it together.

Brass, be ready with an offer, and a matching, if he wants out. At least we then have a pick over his leaving.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 20, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

So Campbell is going to prepare now. Isn't that special considering that he never look prepared during the course of the season. He SUCKS and he must go. One of Zorn's biggest mistakes was not sitting JC's butt on the bench.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | February 20, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather R.Okung and D.LeFvour, over J.Clausen and B.Campbell.
We should be taking R.Okung and B.Campbell!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeh we should have started Collins . Come on .Collin's would not have made it through one game

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

JC will become a great QB with Shannahan

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Our entire football team will be better with Coach Shanahan

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 20, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Building the Oline = A+
Having a Jason Campbell as QB = C with possibility of improvement.

We've won with a good O-line and a mediocre QB before so why the hell not again.


HAIL!

Posted by: Buckleycj | February 20, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I agree the entire team will be better with Coach Shannahan

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

If JC has roughly the same statistical season as 09 and the Skins win 9 games, Shanahan will hailed as the savior and JC the QB of the future.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 20, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

JC will be fine as the QB. He isn't great but you can win with him if you get a good OL and speedy RB to keep the D honest. Lets start with having a winning season before we try to get the final pieces to the puzzle. Haven't we gone down this road before trying to draft a franchise guy? Wait for the opportunity after building your team and get a proven QB thru free agency or trade. The QB's taken in the draft are a freaking crapshoot and theres a good chance you will end up with another Campbell or Shuler or Ramsey. WE can still improve with JC. I'm not a fan of him but give him a chance with a good coach and supporting cast before you go throwing away money and #1 picks on somebody you hope is better.

Posted by: scottmando | February 20, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Seems like everyone knows that Campebll won't be Redskins this season.... except Campbell and a few RI peeps.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 20, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather R.Okung and D.LeFvour, over J.Clausen and B.Campbell.
We should be taking R.Okung and B.Campbell!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:10 AM

I agree. Take Okung and then if Campbell impossibly slips to #37, but I can't see Campbell being there.

Maybe NT Cody (Bama)or Cam Davis (Heel) or better yet grab OG/RT Ducasse (Umass) or OG/C Pouncey (Gators) with #37.

Sign UFA Chester Pitts to play RG.

LT- Okung
LG- Dockery
C- Pouncey
RG- Pitts
RT- Levi/Heyer

RT would still be a weakness but the other 3 positions would be significantly upgraded, unless addressed in the FOURTH RD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 20, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

That guy is sooooo bitter, what a prima donna! How dare he say that he is going to work hard and leave all of the contract stuff up to his agent. Where do they find these guys?

Posted by: temunley | February 20, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Yeh we should have started Collins . Come on .Collin's would not have made it through one game

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:13 AM
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You must of missed Collins' last game he played in ... Last Giants game when Campbell went our right before the half..
Collins went 2 for 4 and it would of been 3 for 4 except Davis dropped the ball in the end zone. In 4 plays he had more passing yardage total (57 incl one long to Moss) than JC had the whole previous half.
But, JC comes back in for the second half because Zorn had to play him (see some of Zorn's post Redskin's career interviews).
JC is the Skins/Snyder's greatest investment (first 3 picks of the draft in 2005 given up for him..) and you dont get much of an Restricted Free Agent offer in 2010 from another team if that player is beaten out and rides the bench in 2009.. Thus JC continued to start last season even though Collins was the better QB.

And speaking of the last Giants game.. that was the same game, Jason threw a screen pass into the stands, 5 rows deep at the 50 yard line, and the refs thought it was intentional grounding. They withdrew the penalty when they figured out it was just an amazingly overthrown pass.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 20, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If JC has roughly the same statistical season as 09 and the Skins win 9 games, Shanahan will hailed as the savior and JC the QB of the future.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 20, 2010 9:42 AM
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If he has the same statistical season as 09, the Skins will be 4-12, again.
JC disappears in the last 7 minutes of every game. No come from behind wins or leadership..NEVER.... A QB rating of 61.0
(his situational stats NFL.Com).

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 20, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

please, no more campbell.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | February 20, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

draft clausen, start collins, get rid of campbell.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | February 20, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

in the words of Henny Youngman..

Take my Quarterback...
Please, someone take my Quarterback!! (for a nice coupla draft picks..)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

shanahan is going to bring back Heath Shuler and make it work!

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | February 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Keep Campbell. Dump Campbell.

This team is going to stink this year either way.

Question for the wannabe GMs on this blog:

If we take Okung a #4 and there is a run on tackles througout the first round but Clausen is available in the 2nd, is he still a bad pick?

Discuss.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 20, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Redskins 2010 results..

Starting QB? record
Campbell 7-9
Clausen 7-9
Bradford 7-9

Whats the more depressing scenario? Campbell, Clausen, or Bradford?

I pick Campbell at 7-9. Clausen or Bradford are all upside with a rookie year of experience behind them while the Skins are rebuilding.
Campbell at QB in 2010? There is no upside.. He is just good enough to get you fired (Zorn) or retired (Gibbs grabbed his legacy and ran).


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather R.Okung and D.LeFvour, over J.Clausen and B.Campbell.
We should be taking R.Okung and B.Campbell!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | February 20, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

37 years, I'm 58 years and counting. I like both your suggestions. Neither CLAUSEN nor BRADFORD pass my smell test. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 20, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Keep Campbell. Dump Campbell.

This team is going to stink this year either way.

Question for the wannabe GMs on this blog:

If we take Okung a #4 and there is a run on tackles througout the first round but Clausen is available in the 2nd, is he still a bad pick?

Discuss.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 20, 2010 11:10 AM

Clausen is a bad pick at #4 but a decent pick in the second.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Watching all the comments on this blog, I notice how loyal but ignorant alot of redskins are...We sit here and gripe about Dan snyder, but most do the same thing..Which is look for a quick fix...Any person on here who thinks ANY QB in the league would have done noticeably better than JC is just plain stupid...And bottom line doesn't understand football...The fact is, we had 1 of the 3 WORST O lines in football...And he still did better than half the QBS in the league...Yea, we can sit here and say "Well he just missed a pass", but don't forget he probably was just reamed 3 out of the last 5 plays. Sack or not..Is he Peyton, or even Drew Brees? No, but with some continuity and good supporting cast he can take us where we need to go..Doing that, is a better idea than gambling on 1 round Qb's every 4 yrs...Jesus...

Posted by: Oracle728 | February 20, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I would think we would seriously consider taking Clausen at #37 if he is there

JC1 = Jason Campbell
JC2 = Jimmy Clausen

we could have the market cornered on QBs initialed JC

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 20, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Yea, we can sit here and say "Well he just missed a pass", but don't forget he probably was just reamed 3 out of the last 5 plays. Sack or not..Is he Peyton, or even Drew Brees? No, but with some continuity and good supporting cast he can take us where we need to go..Doing that, is a better idea than gambling on 1 round Qb's every 4 yrs...

Posted by: Oracle728 | February 20, 2010 11:48 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you look at JC's turnovers (INTs and Fumbles) last year.. Many were after he had the necessary time in the pocket. His read and release are too slow for one pump let alone his double pump. That is why the likes of the Asante Samuels out there can play back on JC (thus no WR can get separation).. and then close the gap quickly for an INT. There is a reason 80 percent of his passes were for 10 yards or less.. Every national commentator (Simms and Collinsworth most recently) have said this.
It is also revealing how Collins always seemed to light it up with the same OLine and WR personnel that JC had.. 2007 to the playoffs and the brief 57 yards in 4 plays in the Giants game, this year.
Everyone noticed the difference when Collins came in and ran the Offense.

JC is just good enough to get you fired (Zorn) or retired. Gibbs, thanked Collins for getting him into the playoffs (from an 0-4 losing streak with JC to 4-0 with TC) and then grabbed his HOF legacy and ran back to NASCAR.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

This team has sooooo many needs, that best player available and draft for need can work together. I posted something like this before, but here goes again:

Team Needs: OT, OT G, C, QB, RB, ILB, LB, CB, FS

Draft Priority (meaning these four positions are the Game changers without which you cannot win - so they tend to be the early picks...): LT, CB, QB, Pass Rusher

So, combining value and need:

Okung is a top 5 pick on almost every board. Clausen cetainly is not, jury is still out on Bradford.

1st round choose Okung

This team DESPERATELY needs a shut down style dominant CB. This is the spot to get that guy. I think Perrish Cox from OK could be that guy (6-1 190 4.40-40). Seems to be that right combination of size, speed, aggressiveness, athleticism and bravodo. And he is physical in run support. Other opinions about CB's may also apply here, but he would be the "type"...

2nd round choose Perrish Cox

If we take CB in the 2nd round, then I'm looking for O line here in the fourth. I like Marshal Newhouse from TCU (6-3 317) He appears to be the fastest guard in the draft, is very versatile - can play G,C,RT. Another guy to consider is Adam Ulatoski (OT 6-6 310 Texas) or Vlad Ducasse (OT/G 6-5 330 Mass)

Round four choose Marshal Newhouse

Round five choose QB John Skelton from Fordham. Great size (6-5 242), rocket arm, throws very well moving left or right, smart, good leader. Perfect prospect.

Round seven, I like C/G Erik Cooke (6-6 315 New Mexico) Big, atheltic, versatile. At Center, he was the leader of the team. Another good prospect.

Keep Edwin Williams and we suddenly have good depth on the inside O line.

This assumes we keep JC, move Levi to RT, sign a FA RB, etc...

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will prove how good he is on Gibbs system, he is a genius! - Scratch that!
Campbell will prove how good he is on Saunder's systemm he is an offensive genius - Scratch that!
Campbell will prove how good he is on Zorn system, he is a QB genius - Scratch that!
Campbell will prove how good he is on Shanahan system, ... OR WILL HE? LOL. take the odds my boys, take the odds.

Posted by: nimes1 | February 20, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Another coach. Another system. I can't take it. I can't take it. " - jc imitating a parrot.

What does Flaco and Sanchez have in common?
New system, new coaches, playoffs.

"Another coach. Another system. I can't take it. I can't take it. "

Posted by: hock1 | February 20, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"What does Flaco and Sanchez have in common?
New system, new coaches, playoffs."

No offense intended, but that's sort of a dumb comment. In the first place, both Flacco and Sanchez were blessed with much stronger blocking and running attacks than Campbell had last year. You'll recall that in the first half of Zorn's initial season, the running attack worked well and Campbell seemed a much better QB than during the second half, when it stalled.

Another factor: both Joe and Mark operated in the protected schemes that required less of them than most NFL quarterbacks. Cam Cameron put in about half the Ravens' passing offense just so Flacco wouldn't have to overthink. The Jets' coaches did the same thing for Sanchez. The intention from the beginning has been to protect the fragile QB ego and to make the player comfortable. It's a good strategy with a young quarterback but a lot of teams lack the surrounding players to pull it off. Baltimore and the Jets were successful.

That's not a defense of Jason Campbell, who has his problems. It's a criticism of your criticism, which ultimately is full of holes.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

All you people complaining need to realize it's THE END OF FEBRUARY. Be glad the guys are posting anything at all, even if it is just Jason Campbell saying all the things you'd expect him to say :P.

The silent majority appreciate the updates, RI

Posted by: trousers | February 20, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

All you people complaining need to realize it's THE END OF FEBRUARY. Be glad the guys are posting anything at all, even if it is just Jason Campbell saying all the things you'd expect him to say :P.

The silent majority appreciate the updates, RI

Posted by: trousers | February 20, 2010 1:10 PM |

The loud a$$ majority appreciate it too. Those that complain about it got nuthin' better to do. Complaining is a mainstay of RI though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow. He's ready to work. Paid millions of dollars to play ball, and the man IS READY TO WORK! Not just stay on vacation. He puts millions of Americans to shame. He is ready to work! Okay, maybe not work well, but work nonetheless.

Posted by: Sutter | February 20, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow. He's ready to work. Paid millions of dollars to play ball, and the man IS READY TO WORK! Not just stay on vacation. He puts millions of Americans to shame. He is ready to work! Okay, maybe not work well, but work nonetheless.

Posted by: Sutter | February 20, 2010 1:16 PM

I can think of an entire group of people in DC that should do the same.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

All we can do is watch and wait. If JC is not worth it, the Shanahans will figure it out pretty quick. If we don't have a better option, they will try to find one. No guarantees anywhere. No matter how you slice it, this has not been the best atmosphere to evaluate players on their abilities. The only thing we can judge is their class. JC has tons, CP has nones. I feel better about the talent evaluation with Skins this year, if nothing else. Should be a fun draft. There are not many positions the skins can't improve on. I count TE as the only set position.

Posted by: PASkinsFan1 | February 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Round five choose QB John Skelton from Fordham. Great size (6-5 242), rocket arm, throws very well moving left or right, smart, good leader. Perfect prospect.

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 12:24 PM

Y'see, THIS is what I want to read about up here ... the name and some info about a guy no one really talks about and arrives in a round where it is OK if he doesn't start immediately. From what I've read, Shanahan prizes accuracy above all other QB qualities. The chatter about the top QBs (Bradford, Claussen, whoever you tag next) is about how "starter-ready" they are for this season. Screw that. We have a starter ready QB. We need a starter ready offensive line. New coaches obviously want to start "grooming" their own QBs, but between when a guy signs and the first game of the season doesn't leave a lot of time for grooming. Sanchez, Flacco, and Matt Ryan all came gangbusters out of the blocks b/c they were starter-ready ... in that there came in behind a starter ready offensive line. This past season, Campbell was very successful on plays that required only a three step drop and plays where the first read on a five step drop was where he was supposed to be. Campbell never had enough time to make a seven step drop or to reset on a five step drop if the first guy wasn't there. The Campbell hating up here is getting tiresome ... bordering on a tsunami of stupid.

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Watched Skelton tear it up in the Patriot League. Fun to watch. He is a good prospect.

Posted by: PASkinsFan1 | February 20, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Kafka/QB, Northwestern:

" ... One thing Kafka does have going for him is his accuracy. He throws an accurate, catchable ball. ..."

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2453

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sean Canfield/QB, Oregon State:

Canfield shows good touch and timing. He has a quick release and throws with accuracy, and makes quick reads. He has good pass rush awareness in the pocket; he is a tough competitor.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2442

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I am late on this (and someone may have already said it, but

Cheech & Chong’s Up In Smoke = best stoner movie ever

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 19, 2010 11:08 AM

Actually the best stoner movie ever is a little known Iranian language film "Ima Ben Laiden". It's the story of an illicit love affair between an Iranian woman and an Iraqi man. The couple have their rocky moments during the film but it has a happy ending - they both get stoned.

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Nick Hill, QB/Southern Illinois ... top QB of now defunct Arena League ... very accurate ... available in free agency.

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

This guy sure is a glutton for punishment! Run for the hills Jason and demand a trade, unless you enjoy being bounced off the turf by 300lb defensive lineman...

Posted by: ozpunk | February 20, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Sean Canfield/QB, Oregon State:

Canfield shows good touch and timing. He has a quick release and throws with accuracy, and makes quick reads. He has good pass rush awareness in the pocket; he is a tough competitor.

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2010 1:39 PM |

I guess we didn't see OSU get hammered by BYU in the Vegas Bowl did we? Your boy Can didn't look so hot:

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
S. Canfield 19/40 168 4.2 0 1

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"Round five choose QB John Skelton from Fordham. Great size (6-5 242), rocket arm, throws very well moving left or right, smart, good leader. Perfect prospect.Posted by: edva"

I think you have to like Skelton, but a lot of the interest in him is driven by the surprising success of Joe Flacco. On his own merits, Skelton's a big strong guy who runs almost as well as he passes but has a tendency to sail the ball over the heads of smaller receivers. If you put him on the field at the same time as QBs like Mike Kafka and Darryl Clark of Penn State, he looks like a future All-Pro because he sends spiral after spiral downfield while they struggle to complete a thirty yard out pattern. But I imagine if you put him beside Bradford or Clausen you'd see how inaccurate he still is, putting the ball on the WRs wrong shoulder or propelling it like a bullet into the receiver's shoulder pads. Those are all correctable flaws that so many young quarterbacks somehow never quite manage to correct.

He should go fourth to sixth round depending on how he does at the combine. But a club could fall in love with his size and take him higher.

He's not a prototypical Shanahan QB, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Round five choose QB John Skelton from Fordham. Great size (6-5 242), rocket arm, throws very well moving left or right, smart, good leader. Perfect prospect."

Perfect prospect? Maybe decent prospect but you find perfect prospects in the first round. Peyton Manning was a perfect prospect. Skelton has problems with accuracy and hasn't been tested against top competition. If he really was half as good as you say he is then he would most likely be in similar situation as Joe Flacco in 2008.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | February 20, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The Campbell hating up here is getting tiresome ... bordering on a tsunami of stupid.

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2010 1:20 PM


That's because there are still posters who believe that we can win with him if we give him a better offensive line.

Here's a free lesson: At one point in time majority felt abortion was wrong. Now if the people who knew abortion was right just gave up the fight, then abortion would probably be illegal.

But I digress. There is video evidence of Campbell getting time to throw the football and he misses a wide open throw, whereas if he had completed a few of them, opposing defensive coordinators would have to adjust and Jim Xorn would still have a job.

So what happens when we give Jason Campbell time to throw the football, he doesn't see Cooley on a wide open crossing route, and either gets sacked or throws the checkdown?

http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story?id=09000d5d80a50113&template=with-video&confirm=true

"Two positions you don't pass in the draft when you have a chance to get one: A quarterback who can win in the league and a pass-rusher who can win in the league," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said.

Us Campbell haters will persist and persist until our fellow Redskin con rads see the light.

Posted by: entshuldigung | February 20, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Okung is a top 5 pick on almost every board. Clausen cetainly is not, jury is still out on Bradford."

Okung's a talented player. He's a converted TE type along the lines of last year's top OT, Jason Smith of Baylor, who didn't do much this past season for St Louis. As a prospect, I don't know that you would put him in a class with Chris Samuels, let alone D'Brick Ferguson. The question isn't so much how high he's rated on draft boards this year, it's how he stacks up versus other players who are now in the NFL. I'm thinking he needs to be brought along slowly.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I think you have to like Skelton, but a lot of the interest in him is driven by the surprising success of Joe Flacco.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:01 PM |

It's amazing how a spurt of success for a dud like Flacco and all of a sudden these dipsticks like Skeleton and Devlin come springing out of the woodwork.

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

""Two positions you don't pass in the draft when you have a chance to get one: A quarterback who can win in the league and a pass-rusher who can win in the league," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said."

I'm afraid that by and large that's true. It's also why I suspect that Brian Orakpo is going to turn out to be a more important player to Washington than Michael Oher will be to Baltimore. And why Clausen or Bradford may well be more important to their respective teams than Russell Okung will be to his.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

As a prospect, I don't know that you would put him in a class with Chris Samuels, let alone D'Brick Ferguson.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:07 PM |

Dud is overrated. Not in the same class as Davis and Campbell.

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I would think we would seriously consider taking Clausen at #37 if he is there

JC1 = Jason Campbell
JC2 = Jimmy Clausen

we could have the market cornered on QBs initialed JC

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 20, 2010 12:03 PM |

Dud - change your handle to nobrainfromtampa.

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Canfield looked absolutely dreadful all week at the senior bowl practices.. he has no arm strength and was not at all accurate all week

another shane matthews type. at the best, a temporary #3 qb.. we already have that in Colt.

the kid from Fordham is another matter.. he has all the physical qualities you need in an NFL starter. the only question is whether (like Flacco) he can make the leap from lower level of competition to the NFL ?
also, Flacco was scheduled to start until injuries forced the issue

however, given our needs, it makes more sense to use our late picks for guys who have a skillset we need: 3rd down RB, reserve G, safety (who can cover !!), LB who can run

was anyone else totally ticked off to see Cody Glenn playing for the Colts in the SB ?
bad enough we "waste" a pick on him--worse that we dont even give him a chance to succeed and he makes the roster of the Colts..we had the worst front office/coaching staff in the NFL- bar none last year

Posted by: shally | February 20, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Flacco WASNT scheduled to start until injuries forced it.. my bad, sorry for the typo..

Posted by: shally | February 20, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

When Campbell has his break out year folks will say Shanahan made him what he is. In truth, Shanahan will probably just clean up the mess of a franchise that is around him...giving him his first legitimate shot at having a good year.

If you think Campbell is the reason this franchise has had such an abysmal record, you believe too much of the Dan Snyder marketing machine. Seriously, the QB has been the least of our problems since we sat Brunnell.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | February 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that Campbell has proved is that he is not a good QB and that there are a lot of fools in this blog.

Posted by: hock1 | February 20, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Sanchez, Flacco, and Matt Ryan all came gangbusters out of the blocks b/c they were starter-ready "

See, the problem is they weren't. Each was babied by a nurturing QB coach and an understanding offensive coordinator. The more pressure you put on them, the more they struggled.

You know when they'll be 'starter-ready' in terms of knowing and being comfortable with the full offense? Third or fourth year.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

was anyone else totally ticked off to see Cody Glenn playing for the Colts in the SB ?
bad enough we "waste" a pick on him--worse that we dont even give him a chance to succeed and he makes the roster of the Colts..we had the worst front office/coaching staff in the NFL- bar none last year

Posted by: shally | February 20, 2010 2:28 PM |

Not the most embareassing personnel move of the season. That was cutting the strip club parking lot stick up artist known as Jeremy Bridges from the most embareassing OL roster in the league and having the dud start at LT for the Cards vs. NO in the playoffs and perform well.

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Sanchez, Flacco, and Matt Ryan all came gangbusters out of the blocks b/c they were starter-ready "

See, the problem is they weren't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 2:52 PM |

Actually Ryan was. Started for 4 yrs at BC in a pro-style O and hit the ground running with the Falcs.

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If you think Jason Campbell is the reason the Skins have been awful lately, you don't understand football or the significance of the offensive line.

You don't need a great quarterback to win in the NFL. Exhibit A: Superbowl XXXV between the Baltimore Ravens and the NY Giants who started at quarterback . . . Trent Dilfer . . . and . . . Kerry Collins.

Quarterback is not even remotely close to being the first priority to getting the Skins back on their feet.

Posted by: dc13 | February 20, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason, Skins fans have seen what you can do. Last place in the NFC EAST for 2 years running because of your sorry QB skills. Please just back your bags, shut up and look for another job. I hear the ravens have a new QB coach. Go play for them and lead them to last place. Skins fans don't cheer for LOSERS like you!

Posted by: mike1ad | February 20, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Why is this news? Who gives a damn about what Campbell is doing?

Posted by: getitritegov | February 20, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It's bad enough that the Olympics has "sports" like curling. But to make things worse they have a sport called luge and one called skeleton. In luge you slide down feets first and in skeleton it is head first. So my question is why don't they also have a sport when you slide down ass-first and call it assbackwards?

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Why is this news? Who gives a damn about what Campbell is doing?

Posted by: getitritegov | February 20, 2010 3:15 PM |

It ain't news dude. JR is pimping his homie for a trade to another team.

Jason = the well behaved, respectful child

Posted by: GasFace | February 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Campbell hating up here is getting tiresome ... bordering on a tsunami of stupid.


Very true, lets rehash some of the anti JC arguments.

"There is video evidence of JC getting time to throw and he missed a wide open Cooley"

"All of his attempts are less than ten yards"

"Todd Collins lit it up with the same group of receivers"


The facts


QBs even the great Brees and Mannings sometimes miss reads, overthrow or short hop the ball, especially when pressure is applied.


The West coast offense is predicated upon short throws, the onus is on the receivers to make plays after the catch. Furthermore the NFL leader in yards per attempt was 8.7, JC checked in around 7.1


In Todd Collins' only extended action of the season against the Chiefs, he hit his first pass for a big play and went 5/13 the rest of the way.

The fact of the matter is the JC is a slightly above average qb. He has only played for about three years and some change and he has improved every year despite the inconsistency around him. In particular last year the skins had a horrible line,a suspect run game and an average receiving core. Some of the bloggers here want our qb to singlehandedly win games with a mediocre supporting cast. He is not an elite qb and definitely has room to improve but to think this franchises situation will change for the better by getting rid of JC is ridiculous.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Two positions you don't pass in the draft when you have a chance to get one: A quarterback who can win in the league and a pass-rusher who can win in the league," Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian said.

Us Campbell haters will persist and persist until our fellow Redskin con rads see the light.

Posted by: entshuldigung | February 20, 2010 2:06 PM
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Nice post.. entshuldigung..
Polian is right (I am sure he will be glad to know I think so)..
Using a #4 pick on an offensive position that is non-skill and non-point producing would be foolish.
Basically, a #4 pick in the draft is a winning lottery ticket. You can acquire huge potential game changing equity that can be traded even if it performs average or less. Clausen or Bradford can either be a Sanchez (average) or a Brady Quinn (less). But even a Brady Quinn can still be traded for some worth.

When trying to find the last 1st round pick that panned out for Shanahan.. It was a QB.. Cutler.. (drafted #11 in the First round 2006, made pro bowl in 2008).
Cutler is one of the few picks that fared well for shanny (his INTs aside).. so I would guess, human nature being what it is.. Shanny will pick a QB, again, in the first round.. UNLESS a QB trade (Cutler?), or a QB RFA acquisition is pulled off. Possibly a Kyle Orton and his freaky beard if Bruce Allen can maneuver getting back our Third round pick for the RFA compensation... if necessary.

If I had to choose between Jason Campbell and Kyle Orton as Restricted Free Agents, straight up.. You gotta love Orton's last 7 minutes QB Rating.. 106.8. JC's rating, 61.0.
Most 2010 Free Agent QB rankings have Orton and Pennington ranked number 1 and 2 respectively and JC, 3rd.

Bill Polian on Kyle Orton from Colts.Com

"It was a great trade for Denver. Kyle Orton is a winner. He's a really good NFL quarterback. He proved that with the Bears. He's proving that with the Broncos. He's gotten a quarterback-friendly offense, I think, with what [Broncos Head Coach] Josh McDaniel has installed. They spread the field out and the running game to them is sort of a function of the passing game as opposed to a little bit different style than he had in Chicago. He has been great. "

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Polian has an amazing track record, so its hard to argue his point.

Still, no one knows whether a QB will be a winner in the NFL. Alex Smith and JaMarcus Russell are 2 guys went #1 overall in recent years. Not only have they have been ineffective, they cost their teams a ton of $$$, limiting other player options for SF and Oakland. Aaron Rodgers was being talked about as potential #1 overall, then got passed over 20+ times before getting picked.

Agree with Polian that you want to get a great QB. Disagree that NFL teams can identify that guy reliably.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The fact of the matter is the JC is a slightly above average qb. He has only played for about three years and some change and he has improved every year despite the inconsistency around him. In particular last year the skins had a horrible line,a suspect run game and an average receiving core. Some of the bloggers here want our qb to singlehandedly win games with a mediocre supporting cast. He is not an elite qb and definitely has room to improve but to think this franchises situation will change for the better by getting rid of JC is ridiculous.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 3:23 PM
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Ummm This tired argument for a QB of a 4-12 team sounds like Vinny recent defense.. "...we had more former 1st round picks on our team than anyone else in the NFL"!!!
Jason has been the QB for the last 4 years.. And if you look at his stats..he actually didnt improve this year. Last year the team scored the lowest points in the NFL.. This year, near bottom again.
He has never brought the team from behind in the last 7 minutes.. And his own teammates have even called him out about his lack of leadership.. (they were forced to apologize later..but the opinion is there).

I think Shanny is already laying the groundwork for life without Jason Campbell..

Below is a recent (last week) quote from Shanny on what makes a good quarterback. Interesting that it almost describes EXACTLY what Jason Campbell is not...

"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate. No. 2, you've got to be passionate with what you're doing. You've got to love what you're doing; you've got to study the game inside and out. You're looking at guys who carry that over to the football field. Some guys are talkers; other guys are quiet. I've seen people lead in a lot of different ways. The Joe Montanas, the Steve Youngs, the John Elways that I've been with. Each guy's a little bit different in their own way -- all Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Get a guy like Steve Beuerlein: Just go out there and find a way to win. Everybody had different characteristics, but you've got to have a burning desire to be the best at what you do."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

skinsneedagm: "When trying to find the last 1st round pick that panned out for Shanahan.. It was a QB.. Cutler.. (drafted #11 in the First round 2006, made pro bowl in 2008).Cutler is one of the few picks that fared well for shanny (his INTs aside).. so I would guess, human nature being what it is.. Shanny will pick a QB, again, in the first round.."

I have difficulty following the logic here. Shanahan was in Denver, what, 13 years? Beginning in 1995 and ending after the '08 season. His early picks were basically late ones, which yielded some very respectable players like Trevor Pryce and Al Wilson. After those first few years I don't see that he ever got to pick higher than 15 except twice: Jay Cutler and Ryan Clady -- selected 11 and 12 and both All-Pro quality.

So where'd he get the rep as a poor judge of rookie talent?

The other thing I noticed was the preponderance of defensive players in the first round. That might suggest a surprise pick on the defensive side, except Shanahan has apparently never had a top five (or top ten) position in the draft before. Who knows what he could do?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"

Polian has an amazing track record, so its hard to argue his point.

Still, no one knows whether a QB will be a winner in the NFL. Alex Smith and JaMarcus Russell are 2 guys went #1 overall in recent years. Not only have they have been ineffective, they cost their teams a ton of $$$, limiting other player options for SF and Oakland. Aaron Rodgers was being talked about as potential #1 overall, then got passed over 20+ times before getting picked.Agree with Polian that you want to get a great QB. Disagree that NFL teams can identify that guy reliably.Posted by: zcezcest1 "

This is a valid observation. Draftable QBs tend to be evaluated in the context of other QBs coming out in that class. Once they're in the NFL, they'll be evaluated in the entirely different context of the other QBs in the NFL, who've entered the league over the course of 10 or 12 years and have been refining their game all that time.

Alex Smith and Jamarcus Russell looked pretty good when you compared them to other QBs in the draft class but not so good when you got them into the hurt locker of NFL play. A guy like Aaron Rodgers had the advantage of an extended learning curve behind Favre that probably helped him a lot. Likewise, we won't really know how good Bradford and Clausen will be until we see how quickly the pick up pro offenses and how well they can withstand pro-style defensive pressure.

Polian is a superb GM but he really only drafted one great QB and signed the other, Jim Kelly, out of another league where he could be scouted more accurately than in college. And although drafting Manning wasn't a complete no-brainer, it was the surest choice since Aikman.

Let's just say that if teams knew how to pick great QBs out of a barrel, there'd be a lot more good teams in the NFL.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

wow..
Campbell over the last 3 years has had 44 Starts.. And has beaten an NFC east team only 4 times for a 17-27 W-L total (4-19 vs NFC East).
Collins 5 Starts.. and has beaten an NFC east team twice (2-0). 4-1 W-L total (2-0 vs NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reported the Kansas City Chiefs are contemplating moves with their 2008 first-round picks.

The team is considering drafting a left tackle with the fifth overall pick and moving LT Branden Albert(notes) (15th overall selection in ’08) to right tackle, a position that may suit him better.


The team also might be willing to take trade offers for DL Glenn Dorsey(notes), the fifth overall pick two years ago. Dorsey was drafted as a tackle and doesn’t fit well as an end in the 3-4 scheme the Chiefs installed last season.


The Lions may have interest in Dorsey, according to ESPN.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 20, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Ummm This tired argument for a QB of a 4-12 team sounds like Vinny recent defense.. "...we had more former 1st round picks on our team than anyone else in the NFL"!!!
Jason has been the QB for the last 4 years.. And if you look at his stats..he actually didnt improve this year. Last year the team scored the lowest points in the NFL.. This year, near bottom again.
He has never brought the team from behind in the last 7 minutes.. And his own teammates have even called him out about his lack of leadership.. (they were forced to apologize later..but the opinion is there).

Besides Clinton Portis, who else has questioned JC's leadership? Campbell had more yards, TD passes, higher rating than he did last year. By definition that is improvement despite the fact his team has gotten worse. You say that JC has never brought the team from behind in the last 7 minutes. How many times have the skins been behind late in the game and JC gets demolished 3 downs in a row? Qbs are only as good as the team around them. How did Cutler look this year without Clady and Marshall?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If we take Okung a #4 and there is a run on tackles througout the first round but Clausen is available in the 2nd, is he still a bad pick?

Discuss.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 20, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think it's a great idea. I don't hate Clausen I just don't think he's a #4 overall. I'd probably still pick another lineman though. Hell, what if Spiller falls that far? Brandon Spikes, Nate Allen, Trent Williams, Maurkice Pouncey or Mike Iupati could still be available. What if Terrence Cody is there?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 20, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Campbell over the last 3 years has had 44 Starts.. And has beaten an NFC east team only 4 times for a 17-27 W-L total (4-19 vs NFC East).
Collins 5 Starts.. and has beaten an NFC east team twice (2-0). 4-1 W-L total (2-0 vs NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse


Yeah and Portis had 230 yards and 3 TDs in the two games Collins won. Its not like the team wasnt playing for Sean Taylor or anything. Its one thing if you dont like JC, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but neither Todd Collins or Kyle Orton is better than he is. Arguments like he is ranked as the number 3 free agent qb are false and ridiculous. JC may not be starting here next year but he will be starting for someone.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Campbell says the team has taken a new direction that's going to be good for the Redskins

A new direction usually means a new cast of characters, especially at leadership positions.

I hope Campbell gets to start his new direction for the Buffalo Bills.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 20, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Bills | Likely will take OT early in draft
Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:38:30 -0800

Allen Wilson, of The Buffalo News, reports the Buffalo Bills likely will take an offensive tackle in one of the earlier rounds of the 2010 NFL Draft.

Redskins | Likely will give Campbell high tender
Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:51:32 -0800

Matt Mosley, of ESPN.com, reports the Washington Redskins likely will offer impending free-agent QB Jason Campbell the highest tender, which is about $3.1 million.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 20, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Redskins | Likely will give Campbell high tender
Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:51:32 -0800

Matt Mosley, of ESPN.com, reports the Washington Redskins likely will offer impending free-agent QB Jason Campbell the highest tender, which is about $3.1 million.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 20, 2010 4:49 PM

He's flat out wrong. If the 'Skins tender him at "original pick" -- about $1.2 million -- they get a first if anyone signs him. If they tender him at $3.2 million they get a first and a third.

Fact is, no one will give up even a first for Campbell. Redskins would be lucky to negotiate a third. And there's a risk that no one takes him, in which case they'd rather pay him $1.2 million than $3.2 million.

Same story with Carlos Rogers -- "original pick" tender.

Posted by: League-Source | February 20, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Picture of me looking at League-Source and touching my nose.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, dissapeared for a little while there...

When I say a guy like Skelton is a great prospect, what I mean by prospect is that they are not expected to start for the first year or two, but have the tools to develop into a solid player down the line - so they are worth a chance.

Someone drafted in the first 3 rounds, I would expect to start at some point that season, or be the starter out of the gates in year 2.

Maybe I'm just not using the word correctly...

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a class act, and showed that he is tough after the pounding he took last year.

What I don't like about Campbell is he doesn't appear to read defenses that well, his release is slow, and he can be innaccuarate on all the throws from short to deep. He also doesn't have "it", that ability to take a game over, will and lead his team, come from behind etc.
As far as "it", most NFL QB's don't have that, but can still be winners and take their team to the playoffs and Super Bowls.

I don't know what JC can and will do with these new coaches, schemes, and hopefully improved Oline if he indeed still remains a Redskin. Only time can answer these questions. To me JC is still sort of a mystery.
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Posted by: 72Redskins | February 20, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Offering a first round draft pick, multi-year starting QB a 1 year 1.2 million dollar contract is a slap in the face. If that is what transpires, he will definitely be moved out of here.

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I thought I might have missed some interesting banter while I was enjoying the nice day outside, and all I missed were the jc hater 'con rads' all jibbajabbering about how that 'dud' sucks and such...props to sween for trying to create some chatter about qb prospects.

Posted by: BigE44 | February 20, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Offering a first round draft pick, multi-year starting QB a 1 year 1.2 million dollar contract is a slap in the face. If that is what transpires, he will definitely be moved out of here.

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 5:50 PM

That man has been slapped in the face so many times here already. But fact is, 'Skins couldn't even get a second round pick for him last year, and he's certainly not any more desirable now than he was then.

He'll be moved for a third or a fourth. He will be a backup wherever he goes. His contract won't be much more than $1.2 million but with a bunch of incentives.

Posted by: League-Source | February 20, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

the two biggest weaknesses last year were offensive line and coaching. fixed one, now just need to build the line.

it'd be nice if JC lit it up next year, but my real reason for wanting JC back is to preserve the #4 pick and take a LT.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 20, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

League source--I agree that jc won't command much in terms of a trade involving draft picks, however I assume the skins will try to make jc look as valuable as possible, which means they give him the highest tender---

Posted by: BigE44 | February 20, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

League source--I agree that jc won't command much in terms of a trade involving draft picks, however I assume the skins will try to make jc look as valuable as possible, which means they give him the highest tender---

Posted by: BigE44 | February 20, 2010 6:03 PM |

The league already knows JC's value-he's been around long enough-no shenanigans will fool anyone in that regard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

League source--I agree that jc won't command much in terms of a trade involving draft picks, however I assume the skins will try to make jc look as valuable as possible, which means they give him the highest tender---

Posted by: BigE44 | February 20, 2010 6:03 PM

No way. If they tender him at $3.2 million, he'll sign the contract, and they're stuck with him at that price. No one in the league will pay him that much plus giving up a draft pick.

Draft picks are valuable this year, but JC isn't. Teams have film on him -- they're not going to say "Wow! Look how much the Redskins are paying him! We've got to get him!"

Posted by: League-Source | February 20, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Coaching and Oline were problems, but so was the running game. Yeah, Betts and Ganther had some good games, but I think Betts is damaged goods, and Ganther is what he is.
It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks, will Shanahan impel Portis to prepare and practice the way he should? And, if so, is it a lost cause because the carries and injuries have taken it's toll?
Some up here are talking about a 3rd down back, but a featured back should be in the draft plans. I hear Shanahan likes A.Aldridge, if he's still around he could be our 3rd down back, without the fumbles that is.

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 20, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

If the they use that fourth overall pick to bring on a stud QB, then you can pretty much be assured that Campbell will be second fiddle if the rookie shows just a litte poise in training camp.

Posted by: tcj28 | February 20, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes we can get a 1st for JC do you really think a team like Arizona wants to gamble on their current qb your really telling me that not 1 of the 31 other teams would rather try a decent qb in Campbell but would risk a bust in a subpar qb class I think that I don't care what round, what trade is made the skins need to to draft a tackle a speedy running back like jahavid best type of player and Dan LeFevour and this is possible not one of these madden trades

Posted by: Superman321 | February 20, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

If the they use that fourth overall pick to bring on a stud QB, then you can pretty much be assured that Campbell will be second fiddle if the rookie shows just a litte poise in training camp.

Posted by: tcj28 | February 20, 2010 6:31 PM |

More like if there WAS a stud QB in the draft this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Whoa superman take a breath. Hard to read without sentence breaks my man. I don't think anyone short of Al Davis or Vinny Cerrato would give up a 1st for Campbell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a mediocre quarterback at best. He has all the mobility of Bernie Kosar. Please throw him overboard.

Posted by: whirlwind81 | February 20, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

your really telling me that not 1 of the 31 other teams would rather try a decent qb in Campbell but would risk a bust in a subpar qb class

Posted by: Superman321 | February 20, 2010 6:36 PM

These are the same 31 teams that wouldn't give more than a third for Campbell last year. So, yeah, I'm saying they won't give more than a third this year.

Campbell's not the only experienced QB who can be had for a trade or even signed off the street. And, he doesn't have as much to offer as some of the others -- say, Sage Rosenfels.

Posted by: League-Source | February 20, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Arguments like he is ranked as the number 3 free agent qb are false and ridiculous. JC may not be starting here next year but he will be starting for someone.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 4:45 PM
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Sorry Kingsey.. But so far all the Free Agent QB rankings I can find, via "Googling" 2010 NFL Free agent rankings... Shows JC 3rd or 4th (he flips sometimes with Matt Moore of the panthers and clemens of jets). Orton, Pennington, are usually 1 and 2 ranked.. then JC/Moore. (bleacherreport, Scouts, inc, footballsfuture.com, etc)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/202295-looking-ahead-the-potential-nfl-free-agent-class-of-2010

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reported the Kansas City Chiefs are contemplating moves with their 2008 first-round picks.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 20, 2010 4:30 PM |

fanman dude - tell me more about this time travel shti - I wants to try it myself. Like to go back to 1961 and steer Danny's dad away from his mom.

Posted by: ArcticCat | February 20, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Arguments like he is ranked as the number 3 free agent qb are false and ridiculous. JC may not be starting here next year but he will be starting for someone.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 4:45 PM
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Sorry Kingsey.. But so far all the Free Agent QB rankings I can find, via "Googling" 2010 NFL Free agent rankings... Shows JC 3rd or 4th

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 7:12 PM |

KingJoffeJoffer = jit bag

1. jit bag 67 up, 4 down

Denotes a used condom and is always regarded as an insult.

Posted by: ArcticCat | February 20, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArcticCat


Look b*tch. Nobody is talking to you. If you have a disagreement with something I wrote, be an adult and post a contrary opinion. What are 12 years old name calling? If you cant contribute anything positive go play in traffic.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

My first pass draft priority, by position, obviously free agency can change this. I'm assuming a 4-3. My draft approach revolves mostly around 1 question -- what positions will have holes in 2 years?

OT1
OT2
OG
C
LB1
CB
RB
FS
LB2
QB
RB2
WR
KR
DE

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Campbell over the last 3 years has had 44 Starts.. And has beaten an NFC east team only 4 times for a 17-27 W-L total (4-19 vs NFC East).
Collins 5 Starts.. and has beaten an NFC east team twice (2-0). 4-1 W-L total (2-0 vs NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse
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This cant be true. 4 wins in 3 years? What was your source?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 20, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Any news on Colt? Is he working out yet or he still restricted from doing so? I really would like to see how he plays when healthy. He sure played well at Hawaii! He was known for accuracy and ability to read defenses.

Posted by: poni66 | February 20, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I found this-it may give us an idea of what our #4 pick is worth!

Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3

Posted by: poni66 | February 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

wow, that didn't come out right!

Posted by: poni66 | February 20, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

This is a multi year rebuilding process. Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford are good, but are they worth setting back rebuilding the O-line another year? Rookie QB with no protection isn't going to make any more of an impact then Soup. Crap O-line means crap running game in addition to crap passing game.

Work the problem guys. O-line is the big problem. It's time to spend some quality picks on fixing it.

Posted by: cshowalter | February 20, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell starts QB for the Redskins this season, they'll be lucky to go 7-9. If Campbell starts and Portis is in the backfield, they'll be lucky to go 5-11. Both are consumate losers, and putting them together only compounds their uselessness. Dump both of these losers now!

Posted by: Vic1 | February 20, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

These are the same 31 teams that wouldn't give more than a third for Campbell last year. So, yeah, I'm saying they won't give more than a third this year.
Campbell's not the only experienced QB who can be had for a trade or even signed off the street. And, he doesn't have as much to offer as some of the others -- say, Sage Rosenfels.

Posted by: League-Source | February 20, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

He's no Herschel Walker, but his value may be slightly higher than last year. The QB landscape has changed with a couple guys getting older and plenty of guys' lack of talent being exposed (sjk).

How about a late 2nd Round pick for after I strangle Tony Romo with my bare hands.


Posted by: SMACK1 | February 20, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I say trade soup for whatever we can get. Trade down the 4 spot and get more picks. We need to raid this draft because it is loaded and next year will be limited because the college players came out this year because next year they will likely be capped at a lower pay-scale. I think we should trade SOME of next years picks for this years picks.

Posted by: poni66 | February 20, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell starts QB for the Redskins this season, they'll be lucky to go 7-9. If Campbell starts and Portis is in the backfield, they'll be lucky to go 5-11. Both are consumate losers, and putting them together only compounds their uselessness. Dump both of these losers now!

Posted by: Vic1 | February 20, 2010 9:05 PM
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for some reason, 7-9 with Clausen or Bradford sounds exciting in a rebuilding year.

Campbell...not so much.. It sounds more like 2006, 2007, 08, 09.. etc.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArcticCat

Look b*tch. ... If you cant contribute anything positive go play in traffic.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 20, 2010 7:56 PM |

Hee hee.

Signed,

12 yr old

Posted by: ArcticCat | February 20, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

wow, that didn't come out right!

Posted by: poni66 | February 20, 2010 8:41 PM |

Dude - there is a "preview" button you can click on when you are trying to post formatted #'s. It allows you to see what it looks like before it actually gets posted.

Posted by: ArcticCat | February 20, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell over the last 3 years has had 44 Starts.. And has beaten an NFC east team only 4 times for a 17-27 W-L total (4-19 vs NFC East).
Collins 5 Starts.. and has beaten an NFC east team twice (2-0). 4-1 W-L total (2-0 vs NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse
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This cant be true. 4 wins in 3 years? What was your source?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 20, 2010 8:12 PM |
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NFL.Com was the source..
Actually its worse if you include 2006.. I only referenced the last 3 years. He was 0-2 against the NFC East in 2006.
So JC's full NFL career..
19-29 W-L overall and in the NFC East its 4-21. Does anyone not see that the NFC defensive coordinators have JC figured out?
And this is what we gave up the only significant part of the 2006 Draft for?? The 1st 3rd and 4th of 2006 plus the 1st pick used in 05.

Lets get a stop-gap vet in here while grooming a long-term replacement for JC. Let JC sit on the bench for a year.. or trade him after signing him.


0-2

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 20, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell starts QB for the Redskins this season, they'll be lucky to go 7-9.
Posted by: Vic1

Dude -

How can you say that? I'm not JC's biggest supporter by any means, but with Shanny's scheme and a fixed O line, who knows what this team could be capable of?

Campbell is not our biggest problem. There is room for improvement, but other areas - such as numerous O line spots, CB, SS, FS and RB need greater attention right now. If Carlos and Landry were worth a nickel, we would have been 7-9 last year with JC behind that horrible line.

We are not a good QB away from winning the division, let alone the SB.

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone not see that the NFC defensive coordinators have JC figured out?"

Again, NOT a JC apologist, but perhaps the NFC East coordinators figured out the redskins O - not just JC. It's pretty simple, blitz the paper soldiers we had playing O line and jump the routes. He won't have time to drop 7 steps and throw long, so you know the ball is coming out fast. Nobody is gonna win in that scheme.

I agree with the earlier post saying JC is still a mystery. With such desperate needs elsewhere, it's not a bad argument to say address those needs first and see where you are next year. we are not gonna turn this around in one year with 5 draft picks.

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Cut PORTIS, MIKE SELLERS, and ARE. Offer SOUP, DOUGHTY, LOS, McINTOSH. Match and take picks if they don't sign. Trade HAYNESWORTH (S.F.) for a first and a sixth. Trade down on draft day. Get extra picks. Be prepared to sign McCRACKEN, WHITEHEAD, WANG, and TRACY if they get pushed out of the draft.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 20, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 20, 2010 10:32 PM |

Undrafted FA's.

Glad you brought that up. These are some of the guys I hope we grab if they go undrafted"

ILB/DE Lee Campbell 6-3 246 Minn (4.84 40)
CB/FS Nolan Carroll 6-0 202 MD (emerging star - Broke leg at season start) (4.43 40)
DB/FS Jeromy Miles 6-2 216 Mass (4.57 40)
PR/RB Trindon Holiday 5-5 164 LSU (4.27 40 crazy fast)
PR/WR Brandon Banks 5-7 154 K St. (4.28 40 crazy fast - recently arrested)
WR Kelton Tindale 6-2 197 Newberry (4.28 40 crazy fast)
ILB Joe Pawelek 6-2 240 Baylor (4.83 40 plays faster/VERY smart)
OT Dace Richardson 6-6 305 IOWA (fast) (junior)
RB Shawnbrey McNeal 5-10 190 SMU (4.47 40) skipped season to earn $ for Family
RB/PR (All purpose back) Brandon West 5-10 188 W Mich
WR Pat Simonds 6-5 229 Colgate (savy player, Ed McAfree type?)
DT Travis Ivey 6-4 325 MD (good prospect)

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Nice list yourself there edvar. I think there might actually be an undrafted all-pro ultimately from this season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 20, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see who falls out of the draft this year. Could be some bargains down there. I'm hoping we're ready to pounce...

Posted by: edvar | February 20, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

This will most likely be the last off-season that Campbell prepares to be a starter in the NFL. He'll get traded to Buffalo where they will quickly find out that he's not a starter and the excuses will start flowing - #1 I have to learn yet another new system; #2 it's too cold, too windy; #3 the home crowd is booing me, I prefer to play on the road. Don't feel sorry for Campbell, he'll play another 8-9 years and collect plenty of coin as a back-up

Posted by: coparker5 | February 20, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Just finished up reading today’s' comments and I feel dumber.

RE: JC lovers and “haters”

We definitely need a new QB, but there isn’t a QB in this draft worth the # 4 pick.

JC will be tendered. 100% chance

1 of two things will happen..

1. Some other team makes an offer and the compensation is negotiated down to say a 2nd or a 3rd. 30% chance
2. He competes for the starting job with a UFA QB or a rookie. 70% chance.

That’s it that’s the list. At the most he will be here one more year because he will be a UFA after the 2010 year.

Next year is a more talented and deeper pool of QBs with upwards of 3-5 QBs rated potentially higher than Claus or Brad, just too many red flags with both.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 20, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

These are the same 31 teams that wouldn't give more than a third for Campbell last year. So, yeah, I'm saying they won't give more than a third this year.

Campbell's not the only experienced QB who can be had for a trade or even signed off the street. And, he doesn't have as much to offer as some of the others -- say, Sage Rosenfels.

Posted by: League-Source | February 20, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

you would rather have Sage rosenfels over JC your crazy don't get me wrong JC is no "anwser" yet be he has done way more to prove him self better than sage rosenfels your a "league-source" then you should know that Minnesota would take JC if favre retires ummm... Isn't sage already there and Minnesota is waiting on favre? Yes cause they need farve cause sage nor tavaris can do they job the packers had Rodgers and they moved on i'm not saying keep JC I'm not saying not to but for you to say their won't be a market for him hahaha! The redskins would def. Get something decent for JC17

Posted by: Superman321 | February 21, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44 you are 100% correct

Posted by: Superman321 | February 21, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44 you are 100% correct

Posted by: Superman321 | February 21, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44 you are 100% correct

Posted by: Superman321 | February 21, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

It's too bad Soup was on vacation when Romanowski came to town. I think Soup jacked on steroids and aggression levels peaking would be a much better quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 21, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Mock Draft Analysis 239 Mock Drafts

#1 - Clausen 45%, Suh 45%, Bradford 9%
#2 - Suh 49%, G.McCoy 37%, Okung 13%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 48%, Berry 37%, Suh 5%, Okung 3%, Morgan 3%, JPP 1%
#4 - Bradford 42%, Okung, 26%, Clausen 22%, G.McCoy 3%, Davis 3%, Berry 2%
#5 - Okung 44%, Berry 21%, Davis 9%, McClain 8%, Campbell 5%, Bradford 3%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Shanny is saying all the right things this offseason to keep Campbell thinking that he'll be back next year.

Shanny is no dummy, nor is he a Snyderrato idiot. He will continue saying that all things will be considered and that Campbell remains the QB.

Problem is, he'll try to unload Campbell first chance he gets.

And that will instantly solve the Skins problems.

Draft Clausen or Bradford. Start Collins until he or Colt Brennan are ready to start later in the year. Dump Campbell.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | February 21, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Seems to be a weak draft for quarterbacks and a strong one for offensive linemen.

Interesting article by Todd McShay in the Insider magazine. Claims you should draft the best talent available. Cites the Vikings who drafted Peterson even though they already had a 1500 yard running back. Football intelligence is way different from academic excellence. Stop looking at arm length, times in the 40, bench press, and the other physical tools and more at intangibles like competitive desire and leadership.

This is a strong draft for offensive linemen, again. It is not a strong draft for quarterbacks. By a lucky stroke of fortune need matches up with available best talent in this draft.

Draft OL. And more OL.

Posted by: periculum | February 21, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

The real question is whether to draft a QB this year or next year. Next year the QB class is much deeper than this year.

If Allen and Shanahan are in this for the long haul do they build for the future by addressing O-line this year? Tender Campbell on the cheap and see if you get any offers. Take a flyer on a QB in the later rounds 4-7.

Realistically the team needs two good drafts (esp. if the change to a 3-4 Def) and for the younger players on the team to step up their game for the team to compete for the division title and playoffs.

Taking a QB this year with the #4 the player had better be special. I don't see Clausen or Bradford as special. There will be at least 6 QBs taken in rounds 1-2 in 2011 (barring injuries).

The best scenarios for us is if we can trade down and aquire more picks. 4-5 picks in the first 3 rounds would speed up the turn around process a lot.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Imho we're "stuck" so to speak with #4 overall but the 2nd round pick may be more of something we can trade. Lots of teams behind us,sea,buf,etc that prob don't have 1st round grades on any QB other than bradford and would be more interested to do something in the 2nd, maybe swap spots and pick up a 3rd or more likely 4th

Posted by: hcic55 | February 21, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 2:00 AM |

QB is by far the most important position on the team and any decision about that position has to be thoroughly researched and thought through. Claus had good stats this year, better than the others, against mediocre comp. There are a number of decent QBs avail next yr, more than this yr but none seems to stand out as being better than or even as good as Claus. Claus has the pedigree - best coming out of HS and 3 yrs starting under an O guru. Shan knows that the decision he makes about his QB will be one of his most important. I am sure he will look at what is there this yr and next and make a decision after considering all the relevant variables. One interesting question is will it be a close call? Are there two or more QBs from this draft class and the nextt that in his mind are pretty close to being equal in terms of all the things that would be checked off when making a decision or is there one QB that stands above the rest?

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Whatever happens, I cannot find fault with the way Jason Campbell has conducted himself. Ever.

He's never really orchestrated those come-from-behind victory drives, he's probably a bit too cautious with the ball, and he's been behind a shtitty line for a year and a half.

BUT, he's kept his mouth shut, done all he's been asked to do, and done it with class, despite all the classlessness that surrounded him.

He's a bit goofy, but leadership begins with one's example, and he's got that down. I really hope he will be around for the Redskin Renaissance that begins next year...

... With his lips pointed downfield, arm cocked...

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 21, 2010 2:45 AM | Report abuse

the tsunami continues. . .
let's get an O line b4 making any huge QB moves. . .

would hate to have another humpries/green/gannon scenario w/ soup...

maybe one of the tsunami croud can tell us whay they all have in common?

perspective folks this is the time to gain some, not lose it. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | February 21, 2010 3:28 AM | Report abuse

Just finished up reading today’s' comments and I feel dumber.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 20, 2010 11:30 PM

Hey, don't get down on yourself, Diesel44. You need a pep talk!

I just read those same posts, myself, and I don't think you're dumber. You're at least 20 percent smarter than at least 85% of those guys. You know more about football, you spell real good, you can write a complete sentence, and you're handy with punctuation. I'm also betting that you have less drool and pizza crumbs on your keyboard than those guys.

Don't think of yourself as DUMBER. You're more like "challenged." And you're doing a great job of fighting that challenge. Hang in there. Most of us up here have tons of respect for you. You can buy us a beer any day!

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa: "There will be at least 6 QBs taken in rounds 1-2 in 2011 (barring injuries)."

I thought this was interesting. Who would those QBs be?

Jake Locker, of course, who some figured would go first this season. More the sort of QB that scouts love -- strong arm, mobile, an athlete rather than super-skilled.

Ryan Mallett of Arkansas, who is the size of some ACC power forwards and throws the ball the length of Little Rock, often at warp speeds.

Andrew Luck, the heady Stanford QB who's had some recent injury problems and will have to get along without Toby Gerhart next season.

Pat Devlin, who scouts seem to mistake for Joe Flacco because he was once a big-time prospect who wound up transferring to little Delaware

Terrelle Pryor of Ohio State, often mistaken for Vince Young

Chris Ponder of Florida State, your lanky all-purpose type with the 4.65 forty time.

Jerrod Johnson, the huge Texas A&M kid who can run as well as Ponder and is twenty pounds heavier (which you'll need if you intend to take off with the ball when Ray Lewis is on the field.)

System QB Case Keenum of Houston, who's a shade above six-one and excels at the perfectly placed pass to a WR who is open by three yards.

Am I leaving someone off?

It's a deeper crop than this season's, but better at the top? Hard to argue that. Locker's stock could actually decline some, the way Bradford's did in his last year.

I imagine if Bradford hadn't gotten hurt (twice), or if Notre Dame had won three more of those close games, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. One of those two would be the top choice and the other clubs with top five picks would be hoping for Suh or Eric Berry.

As for waiting til next year: I somehow doubt Shanahan will be within sniffing distance of the number four pick (he never has before) and what that saying about a bird in the hand? You know the one.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 21, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't want JC back next year is an idiot. Who else is out there that's better? Delhomme, Carr, T. Smith? Please. The guy had an 86.4 passer rating last year behind one of the worst offensive line's in recent memory. If we do not draft a lineman early we are in trouble. Do you really think a rookie is going to step in right away and out perform a 5-year veteran? Not a chance in hell. If you want to win at all NEXT YEAR YOU KEEP CAMPBELL! I realize Campbell isn't in the same class as Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady but the guy is a solid player who is ascending. Give him some help on the line and he will do a fine job. He was set up to fail by Elmer Fudd Cerrato because he never card to build the line.

Posted by: jknobla | February 21, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Seems like everyone knows that Campebll won't be Redskins this season.... except Campbell and a few RI peeps.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

How do you know this?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | February 21, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

That guy is sooooo bitter, what a prima donna! How dare he say that he is going to work hard and leave all of the contract stuff up to his agent. Where do they find these guys?

Posted by: temunley

What the Fcuk are you talking about?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | February 21, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse


Just finished up reading today’s' comments and I feel dumber.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 20, 2010 11:30 PM

Hey, don't get down on yourself, Diesel44. You need a pep talk!

I just read those same posts, myself, and I don't think you're dumber. You're at least 20 percent smarter than at least 85% of those guys. You know more about football, you spell real good, you can write a complete sentence, and you're handy with punctuation. I'm also betting that you have less drool and pizza crumbs on your keyboard than those guys.

Don't think of yourself as DUMBER. You're more like "challenged." And you're doing a great job of fighting that challenge. Hang in there. Most of us up here have tons of respect for you. You can buy us a beer any day!

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Ha,ha,ha. Nice love-fest. Yee-Haw good buddy. Offer SOUP, McINTOSH, LOS, DOUGHTY, and take what you can get if they make like a tree and leaf. Trade HAYNESWORTH for a first and a sixth. Trade down on draft day. Get picks. Roll to the SUPER bowl. Yee-Haw. Daisy get in here, it's time to load up and hit Mayberry.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

This is a strong draft for offensive linemen, again. It is not a strong draft for quarterbacks. By a lucky stroke of fortune need matches up with available best talent in this draft.

Draft OL. And more OL.

Posted by: periculum | February 21, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Check, check, and check.

Suppose SOUP leaves. We get a pick, whichever it is, first or seventh, whatever. TODD COLLINS is our q-b. O.K. We unrestricted free-agent offer, or trade, in turn.

Suppose CAMPBELL stays. Great, we sign him to the offer. I think this is much more likely than him getting a great offer and leaving.

Now we have him going into the work stoppage year. Anything might happen at that point. Don't stress about it. ZEN-master says, "all things in good time. We'll see.........."

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like a comment about JC staying or going to incite the RI nation. It is amazing how the anti-JC crew spout out every negative stat, throwing incident and so-called anaylyst's opinion of JC. These delusional, lack football knowledge guys actually think they are the majority in 'Skins Nation. The majority of 'Skins Nation think that JC is coming back. RI has conducted a few polls that supports that. JC has not proven that he is a "Franchise QB", he has not proven that he is not. He is a mystery - but so is our Offensive ouput for the past 10 years (Snyder's time as owner). Under Snyder's ownership, we go for quick fixes every year. Whether through FA or the draft - we don't build from within. We don't soldify the guys in the trenches (O-line and D-line) hence our predicament the last ten years. If they draft one of the QBs in this year's draft - I hope that JC goes. If they draft a QB at #4, it is business as usual for the 'Skins. Last in the NFC East. I think one of the JC Haters posted that JC has only won 4 games over fellow NFC East teams. What he fails to mention is that in the NFC East, we have outstanding Defensive lines that we go up against, 2 times each a season. We lost those games at the line of scrimmage, not at the QB position. If we draft a QB at #4, we will continue to lose games at the line of scrimmage. JC Haters, proceed as if you will post enough negative about him that you will sway the decisions down the road. In reality, how you feel about him does not matter, what will be done is already in the books. We just won't know until later on.

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Thanks SPUD2. Nice to see someone else with their thinking cap on this beautiful Sunday morning.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Haters posted that JC has only won 4 games over fellow NFC East teams. What he fails to mention is that in the NFC East, we have outstanding Defensive lines that we go up against, 2 times each a season. We lost those games at the line of scrimmage, not at the QB position. If we draft a QB at #4, we will continue to lose games at the line of scrimmage. JC Haters, proceed as if you will post enough negative about him that you will sway the decisions down the road.
Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 9:52 AM
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Wish those "haters" that work at NFL.Com, who post the stats, would stop "Haten" on JC..
STOP IT!!

4-21 W-L in a 4 year Career against the NFC East and a 61.0 QB Rating in the last 7 minutes of the game.. Ummmm could there be a connection??

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz, surely you know that you can manipulate stats to support your claim don't you? Why the last 7 minutes, as opposed to 15 minutes or leading at the half? Point is, stat guys are geeks that never played the game and comprising some numbers to stress their beliefs make them relevant. Further, of course our offense fluttered at the end of games. It has fluttered the entire game for the last 10 years. That is a no-brainer. All of a sudden, because we need to score, the playcalling that had not worked well the entire game is going to work? Some of you guys remove all doubt about your football acumen as soon as you post some ridiculous comment about JC. He is not a winner - the organization has not been a winner the past ten years; Collins took us to the playoffs - ST21's death took us to the playoffs; JC can't read defenses - he does not get the time to read defenses. For every negative that you post, there is a very subjective rationale for your claim. Is JC's glass half full or half empty? It depends on who is pouring. I think, if he stays, and we address the O'line (the same thing that most posters have been saying the past two years), that half full glass will be filled to capacity this season.

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

He should be more prepared to pack his bags, sell his house, and get the heck out of D.C. Campbell needs a new team, and an offensive system that fits his style. I'm sorry but if the Redskins are going to start all over, then they need to not only do it with the coaching and management, but also the leader of the players THE QB!

Posted by: AldoFaCaldo | February 21, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

It depends on who is pouring. I think, if he stays, and we address the O'line (the same thing that most posters have been saying the past two years), that half full glass will be filled to capacity this season.

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

You're on a roll this morning dude, keep it up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It depends on who is pouring. I think, if he stays, and we address the O'line (the same thing that most posters have been saying the past two years), that half full glass will be filled to capacity this season.

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

You're on a roll this morning dude, keep it up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Actually jknobia,

Many feel that Carr could be a "sleeper". Here is someone you don't have to draft who has those "pedigrees" and who could conceivably compete with Campbell and Brennan. He would be the perfect replacement for Collins.

Perhaps Shananhan should sign Carr? ... or someone similar that he is familiar with ... and like with Gibbs that guy could end up starting if Campbell falters. My guess is that is exactly what Shanahan will do ... going in the face of Mr. Kiper. Shanahan did not draft his superbowl winning QB, he was already there when he took over as head coach in Denver.

Posted by: periculum | February 21, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's what we have draft-wise right now:

# 04, # 37, # 100, # 128, and a seventh.

What we need IMHO of course:

another first, and second, a third, and a sixth.

How? HAYNESWORTH to SAN FRAN for a first and sixth, CAMPBELL for a third. Trade down in the first round for a second.

Get picks. GO 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Any word on the Skin's offseason schedule? Don't they get an extra minicamp or something with a new coaching staff?

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Look, Campbell is not the QB that is going to win games for the team, but he would be okay in being part of a cast of characters that wins games for the team. If the Redskins keep it conservative, and put Campbell in situations that play to his strengths - shotgun formations, play-action, plays that call for some QB mobility - then they can win with him. This season won't be about the big show anyhow, so keeping Campbell as a stopgap who could surprise us is not a bad option. Someone was talking about signing Carr as a replacement for Collins and I like this idea, but I think it would be more beneficial to get a guy with experience in this offense like Grossman, and possibly bring in some fringe player - potential sleeper free agent (Brodie Croyle or Kellen Clemens), to keep the fire under Brennan. I guess what I am saying is I would like to see more competition at the QB spot than in years past and I don't think the team needs to draft a QB to do this...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 21, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz, surely you know that you can manipulate stats to support your claim don't you? Why the last 7 minutes, as opposed to 15 minutes or leading at the half?

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 11:15 AM
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Shanny will certainly bring in a QB (vet or draft pick). Initially, JC will do well, like he always does at Preseason Speed. NFL players are not getting paid and they dont bust it.. Slow Preseason speed (a little faster than what JC saw at Clemson) plays well to JC's read and release. And, as such, he may again win the starting job for the first game.. But, when regular season NFL speed begins.. The opposing DBs will once again lay back and wait and close the gap easily because of his slow windup/release. Its why the Skins WRs do not gain separation and its "cause and effect" as to why JC has the highest percentage of passes under 10 yards. Remember the Asante Samuels clinic?

Ref Cliftbiz's last 7 minutes stats/ QB rating of JC at 61.0....
It does show a QB's leadership and ability under pressure in a close game. And it also eliminates some of the mop-up stats that JC enjoyed. Opposing teams let him complete alot of passes before the sticks and/or red zone... but near the end of the game..they will tighten up coverage. Remember how we all cringe when JC/Skins are in the red zone? Sorta good news bad news.

On that "7 minute QB rating" note.. By my calculation, if JC had not thrown his last pass of the season (Hail Mary out of bounds) at the San Diego 40 yard line, his last 7 minutes QB rating would have been below 60. All the Skins needed to do was get to SD's 40 for a tying FG and he threw 4 straight incompletes. The last one was the Hail Mary WAY out of bounds (15 yards on the fly) at the SD 40 yard line.... no possible tips or interference calls... which is what a Hail Mary is for.

Thats when I was more than done with JC.. No five year NFL veteran QB is that bad even though he only has 4 NFC East wins in his career.
So, there is a strong possibility, given the interception percentage of Hail Mary passes, he threw the pass well out of bounds to protect his pending free agency QB rating.
Sort of a parting shot or "take that" to Snyder (who tried to trade me) and the Skins Fans.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

from cbs..
(maybe Clausen will indeed drop?)

Casserly calls the upcoming NFL Draft the best since the famed 1983 draft, which produced a few Hall of Famers.

"First of all," he said moments ago, "I think this is the best first round that I have seen since Dan Marino's draft year of 1983. And the reason is this: There are more first round juniors in this draft than I have ever seen."

He calls Sam Bradford, and not Jimmy Clausen, the best quarterback in the draft.

"Next," he continued, "I think you'll see more trades this year and here's why. The draft is broken up into three days this year. The first round is on Thursday night, Friday night is rounds two and three, and on Saturday rounds four through seven.

"With all that extra time in between the rounds, that will lead to more trades."

This is a great point that I don't think has been addressed enough. Many trades don't get done simply because of a hesitancy to pull the trigger in the 15 minute allotment each team receivers to make a pick.

Just this week, there was a good article from the New York Times describing the decision process of the Jets brass in selecting Shonn Greene in round three. GM Mike Tannenbaum's scouts spent the Saturday-to-Sunday break convincing a hesitant Tannenbaum that Greene was their guy.

Without that extra time, a crucial decision like that likely isn't made.

Casserly also said the Patriots could be in line to be hurt the most from free agency. They have six key players who could be free agents and two of them - TE Ben Watson and DE Jarvis Green - should see some decent offers.

The Chiefs, of course, potentially have needs at both those positions.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

and the real final sanswer of the draft is...

wait and see what happens in free agency in March, that should give us a good idea where Shanallen is headed with this team

who we draft will be dependent on who they sign in free agency

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

and the real final answer of the draft is...

wait and see what happens in free agency in March, that should give us a good idea where Shanallen is headed with this team

who we draft will be dependent on who they sign in free agency

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Gates, I think there is still something not quite right with IE8 and Windows 7...

Or the RI site is having issues again

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Actually jknobia,

Many feel that Carr could be a "sleeper". Here is someone you don't have to draft who has those "pedigrees" and who could conceivably compete with Campbell and Brennan. He would be the perfect replacement for Collins.

Perhaps Shananhan should sign Carr? ... or someone similar that he is familiar with ... and like with Gibbs that guy could end up starting if Campbell falters. My guess is that is exactly what Shanahan will do ... going in the face of Mr. Kiper. Shanahan did not draft his superbowl winning QB, he was already there when he took over as head coach in Denver."
periculum:

Carr wouldn't have been a bad choice a few years ago but the guy is damaged goods. His Texans days ruined him. He has happy feet in the pocket and always stares down at the rush. Former teammate Seth McKinney said that he wasn't always the hardest worker either. From what I can tell, Campbell is a gym rat who wants to be good. Carr could be a nice backup because I think Collins is done. All the JC bashers must want to go 4-12 again because that where we are headed if we go with a rookie. Everyone always thinks they are going to get a great qb if they take him high. It almost never works out that way. I don't like any of the qb's in this years draft. BUILD THE LINE!

Posted by: jknobla | February 21, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't want JC back next year is an idiot. ...

If you want to win at all NEXT YEAR YOU KEEP CAMPBELL! ....

Posted by: jknobla | February 21, 2010 7:57 AM |

Let me make two suggestions.

(1) Calling people who disagree with you "idiots" is just not PC anymore. We have a new word, which we've borrowed from the Global Warming claque. We call them "deniers". It means the same, but it just sounds so much more civil. "Anyone who doesn't want JC back is a denier." Okay, it sounds a little more polite.

(2) "WINNING NEXT YEAR" is not how we swing anymore. "WINNING NEXT YEAR" is the war cry of Snyder/Cerrato. That era is over. Now, it's about building a winner. It may take time and patience. If WINNING NEXT YEAR is the best way, then let's do it. But if drafting a rookie QB and building around him is the way, then that's what we're for, not milking that old cow JC one more time for a few extra sticks of butter.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2010 3:52 PM |
Posted by: jcnjcnj | February 21, 2010 9:09 AM |

See above. Habitues of Stutter island. Heh, heh.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

League-Source, we've only milked one tit of that old cow with a one-armed man. JC has been handicapped by receivers that don't get open, a line that does not block well, playcallers who are so predictable that the entire stadium knew what play was coming next, an organization that played fantasy football year after year after year. The deniers have brought into the Snyder and Vinnie book of running a football team. They think if they bash JC, the 'Skins will do as they have always done for the past ten years - draft the big name instead of addressing our needs. I don't remember any games where we were totally outplayed and had no business being on the field. We never got blown out, we stayed competitive, we lost a lot of games by less than ten points. We were an Offensive and Defensive coordinator, an O'line and a GM away from being a playoff team. Winning next year can be a possibility if we address the O'line. We have taken care of the other problems so far. We do need to build a winner, but we can win while we do that.

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

League-Source, we've only milked one tit of that old cow with a one-armed man.

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 3:14 PM |

Udder nonsense.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Gates, I think there is still something not quite right with IE8 and Windows 7...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 1:32 PM |

Dude - Windows ain't Bill's gig no more.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Liberty, better than bullsh!t....

Posted by: SPUD2 | February 21, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

When you don't know about your QB, you do know.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 21, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Dan LeFevour won't throw at combine

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 21, 2010 10:26 AM ET

Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, the consensus No. 1 prospect in this year's NFL draft, says he'll do every workout at the scouting combine. But plenty of prospects with significantly lower draft grades are passing up the opportunity to show off all their skills to NFL scouts.

One such prospect is Central Michigan quarterback Dan LeFevour, who says he's not going to throw at the combine.

"I'll be doing [pretty much] everything except throwing at the combine," LeFevour told NFLDraftBible.com.

Of course, throwing is a pretty big part of being a pro quarterback, and LeFevour's decision to do "everything except throwing" is depriving himself of an opportunity to impress NFL scouts. But he says he wants to throw with his own receivers at Central Michigan's pro day.

"I will focus solely on throwing at pro day," LeFevour said. "Just getting focused with that . . . only having one thing to do on pro day and being able to work with my receivers up at school that are coming out. Putting everything I have into that aspect of it."

But unlike Suh, LeFevour won't put everything he has into every aspect of the combine.
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This guy had a chance to impress and be the 3rd QB drafted and possibly an early 2nd rounder. Now it looks like he might be available for his in the 4th.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The debate between the JC faithful and the JC deniers is like a religious debate over whether God exists. Neither side will convert the others. Either you believe or you don't and the rest is rhetoric.

I, personally, am in the only tenable position: I am agnostic. Maybe yes and maybe no. I'm not convinced either way.

What I do believe in, though, is Coach Shanahan's ability to decipher the mystery. If he keeps JC for a year, it's the right thing. If he trades him for a pick, then that's the right thing. I felt comfortable second-guessing Vinny and Dan and especially Jim Zorn, but not Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

This guy had a chance to impress and be the 3rd QB drafted and possibly an early 2nd rounder. Now it looks like he might be available for his in the 4th.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:12 PM

A good pro day and all will be forgotten. Anyway, isn't there already enough game film on this guy? Don't teams care more about game situations than about workouts?

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You can buy us a beer any day!

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

L-S, Tonight when you’re at the senior center mixer and you're trying to find the liquid courage to hit on the newbie’s at Seizure World, the first couple rounds are on me. That’s the least I could do for you after your pep talk.

Now go get em Tiger, party ends @ 7pm..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4925817

The Bills starting RT has just retired from the NFL to pursue political endeavors. *sucker*

They also traded their All-Pro LT to the Iggles last year.

Us, the Chiefs, Raiders, and Seahawks need an offensive tackle and we all select before the Bills.

Perhaps the Bills wanna make a trade and avoid having to reach on a Tackle with the 9th pick should they fear a run on tackles in the top 1O!

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

That’s the least I could do for you after your pep talk.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:21 PM

Glad I could help. You sound a little more confident! Keep it up. We're on your side.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

How come there has been no word on Colt McCoy?

Tim Tebow?

Chincinatti's Pike?

I keep hearing about Lafleur, but are any of those college studs I mentioned getting any draft pub?

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

A good pro day and all will be forgotten. Anyway, isn't there already enough game film on this guy? Don't teams care more about game situations than about workouts?

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:20 PM

Coming from the Mid-American conference is already a negative, not throwing at the combine is another. He had a chance with the top 2 guys not throwing to be with equal competition in an uncontrolled environment and to stand out. Instead, he will throw handpicked patterns to a bunch of handpicked receivers on his pro day.

Suh is the consensus #1 pick and he is looking forward to running every drill. Could it be that LeFevour has something to hide, I guess will have to wait to his pro day to find out.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Bills starting RT has just retired from the NFL to pursue political endeavors. *sucker*

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:23 PM

Guy will be back with the team and with a new contract, signing bonus in about three weeks.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Now go get em Tiger, party ends @ 7pm..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:21 PM |

Tiger is in rehab and not doin partees at this particular time.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Bucs and Rams have reportedly explored a deal that would send the No. 3 overall pick, a third-round pick, and QB Josh Johnson to St. Louis for the first overall selection.

The Bucs would then draft Ndamukong Suh with the No. 1 pick. According to Scout.com, the Rams compare Johnson to Michael Vick athletically, and they believe he has even more upside as a passer. While Johnson is an intriguing developmental QB, he's not close to being ready to start at the NFL level. The proposed deal makes sense for the Bucs, but it wouldn't solve the Rams' quarterback dilemma for 2010

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing about Lafleur, but are any of those college studs I mentioned getting any draft pub?

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:33 PM |

Dude - they will get all the draft pub they need when they kill at the Combine.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44,

You might be right. It doesn't help to skip a chance to show off your skills and no one will read it as a plus. "Hey, we gotta move Lefevour up our board! He refused to work out! He must be a stud!" What do you think will be the first question that teams ask him when they interview him?

He is a four-year starter, so I'm thinking people already know whether he has something to hide. And he has a QB rating of 142.9 for his four years. Go, Chippewas! (From Chippewa to Redskin seems like a natural move.)

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 4:37 PM |

Dude - you is from Tampa and you don't know the TB QB's name? Christ on a crutch! It's Josh Freeguy, not Johnson.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If I were Tim Tebow, I'd avoid any opportunity to throw for scouts. Didn't his Senior Bowl game hurt his draft stock?

How do Seniors feel about Tebow?

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

How do Seniors feel about Tebow?

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:47 PM

You should ask this when Cork is up here. He's about 85 and can speak for the seniors. Also, Diesel44 was born in 1944 and that would make him 66. He's pretty sharp right after he's gotten his meds.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it sux for the Bucs; they want a DT and it appears the first two picks could be DT's.

Who then would the Rams select, noone?

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Peppers' lack of passion makes him a risky bet

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 21, 2010 11:48 AM ET

We've heard Julius Peppers called the biggest impact unrestricted free agent since Reggie White, but Reggie White never had people questioning his effort.

Peppers' up-and-down career, marked by periods of brilliance and games where he disappeared, makes him a hard player to evaluate on the open market.

"I wouldn't touch him, for that money and what he gives you,'' an ex-Panthers personnel man told the Boston Globe.

"He could end up costing some personnel guy his job,'' an AFC scout said. "I'm terrified of him. In my heart of hearts, I believe that if you pay this guy, I don't think you'll see a double-digit sack [season] again the rest of his career.''

SI's Ross Tucker, who played against Peppers, also wrote a column this week questioning Peppers' work ethic. Even ex-teammates like Brentson Buckner are quoted by the Globe's Albert Breer marveling at his skill, but wondering about his love for football.

Peppers' superhuman talent and strong finish to the season will make him a very rich man. He absolutely destroyed the Vikings and the Giants in Panthers victories.

But Julius Peppers is not Reggie White and the league knows it. We'll see if anyone -- like Dan Snyder -- pays Peppers like a transformational player anyway

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Peppers...NO
Dansby...YES. Bigger need, better value.

We already have a 4 year 48 million dollar ultra talented but unmotivated sack of poop. Maybe PFT forgot that Snyder isn't calling the shots anymore and that those moves are a thing of the past.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Signing Peppers would be exactly what we'd expect from Dan Snyder.

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/02/15/fanhouses-2010-nfl-mock-draft-1-0/

4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
I actually wrote Sam Bradford's name in here at first, then changed my mind. Why? Well, for as much heat as Jason Campbell takes, with the weapons Washington has at wide receiver and tight end, plus Mike Shanahan's commitment to running the ball, Campbell -- assuming the Skins bring him back -- could be in line for a very solid 2010 season. But only if the offensive line isn't a total sieve again.
-- Burke

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"But Julius Peppers is not Reggie White and the league knows it. We'll see if anyone -- like Dan Snyder -- pays Peppers like a transformational player anyway."

Sign Peppers, trade up the draft order for Suh and then watch the turnover count jump like Kangeroo Jack.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 4:37 PM |

Dude - you is from Tampa and you don't know the TB QB's name? Christ on a crutch! It's Josh Freeguy, not Johnson.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 4:45 PM |

My error. There actually is a TB QB named Josh Johnson. And I guess, come to thinnk of it, it would be pretty goofy of TB to trade Freeman, a late 1st round pick last yr, just to move up two notches.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

glawerence-

The wizards are a complete abomination. They trade their 2 best players for Josh Howard, Al Thornton and most likely the last or 2nd to last pick in the in the 1st round. For what, to clear up cap space for the big FAs of 2010. News Flash…Lebron, Wade, or Bosh ain’t coming to DC and they’re still going to be stuck with Agent Zilch’s contract.

Their only hope is to get the first or 2nd pick in the lottery and draft John Wall or Evan Turner. Then repeat this vicious cycle for the next 5 years. 2016 NBA Championship!

I just hope L-S is around that long to see it, if not the old man will have a pretty long run.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It's Colt Brennan's time, mo fos.

Zorn set back CB by not playing him in the last game of 08 (against the 49ners). Skins' season was over at 8-8 up to that season finale game, but he wanted to end with a winning record. Now Shanny has no tape of Colt in a regular season game with a starting line up.

Posted by: GoSk1ns | February 21, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how many armchair GMs who couldn't draft their own budget gets into the mind and thought of Shanahan and Allen. Would you please stop your nauseating predictions; also concerning Carlos Dansby, please get off it, he's going to the Giants. By the way, no matter whom Shanahan aquires in this draft, J C is here to stay for,at least, a year. Don't expect any major overhaul on both offense and defense, Albert Haynesworth is not going anywhere, so is Clinton Portis, too much money invested on them, Carlos Rogers is here to stay and so is Chris Cooley, all these are facts derived from reading what the coaches are saying regarding those players, and don't be surprised if Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen are not even drafted in the first round. The two running the team are more than capable of gradual and systematic roaster management.

Posted by: abxinc | February 21, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 4:37 PM |

Dude - you is from Tampa and you don't know the TB QB's name? Christ on a crutch! It's Josh Freeguy, not Johnson.

Posted by: LibertyValence | February 21, 2010 4:45 PM
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Before you throw stuff out might want to do a little research yourself.

TB has two QBs named Josh - Freeman and Johnson. Freeman is the starter and Johnson is a backup.

To Vicc, not sure the Rams would draft at #3, depends on who the Lions take Okung or McCoy. Lions take Okung, then Rams could take McCoy. If Lions, take McCoy then maybe Rams take Clausen or Bradford. The don't need a LT.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I just hope L-S is around that long to see it, if not the old man will have a pretty long run.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 5:42 PM

Diesel44--Not even your grandchildren will live long enough to see the Wizards become a respectable franchise. What a joke. "Let's send a band to serenade Juwan Howard!" "Let's give Gilbert Arenas all the money we can!" "Let's pick Kwame Brown!" Etc. They give away their good players and keep their dreck.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how many armchair GMs who couldn't draft their own budget gets into the mind and thought of Shanahan and Allen. Would you please stop your nauseating predictions;

Posted by: abxinc | February 21, 2010 5:58 PM

Brilliant, Since you bothered to give your nauseating predictions, I’ll respond.

I've been saying for 3 weeks that KARLOS Dansby is going to the Giants…better team, bigger need, etc.

Portis will be cut for the exact reason you have him staying and Bradford and Clausen will both be drafted in the 1st, but Clausen will most likely be towards the latter end.

This is my favorite tho, “all these are facts derived from reading what the coaches are saying regarding those players.”

Keep on keeping on then....because the coaches and FO will always tell the media exactly what their intentions are and completely telegraph every offseason move.

So, stay tuned to RI and PFT to read about who the redskins will cut, sign in FA and draft in April, weeks before it happens.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

How do Seniors feel about Tebow?

Posted by: Vicc | February 21, 2010 4:47 PM
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At their age, they should proceed with caution.. and be sure to stretch and warm up, first.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: barno-1 | February 21, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

barno--

Saying the same thing 22 times is not persuasive unless you use all caps. By the way did you ever get that Chris Cooley autographed disc from Jasno?

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

L-S

“Their only hope is to get the first or 2nd pick in the lottery and draft John Wall or Evan Turner. Then repeat this vicious cycle for the next 5 years. 2016 NBA Championship!”

I'm predicting a 2016 NBA championship as long as the Wiz take my above advice. I'm just hoping you have enough gas left in your tank to make it to 2016.

Just keep chasing those fillies around the Seizure World campus because I'm rooting for you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

*Draft OT in 1st , QB in the 2nd

Posted by: barno-1 | February 21, 2010 6:53 PM
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Draft a game changing QB in the 1st.. OT, 2nd, OT 4th, OT 5th.
You dont waste a once-in-a-decade (you hope) #4 pick in the Draft on a non-scoring, non-skilled position.
If a 1st round QB turns out average, you'll get far more in a trade or RFA, than an OT that turns out average.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

*Draft OT in 1st , QB in the 2nd

Posted by: barno-1 | February 21, 2010 6:53 PM
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Draft a game changing QB in the 1st.. OT, 2nd, OT 4th, OT 5th.
You dont waste a once-in-a-decade (you hope) #4 pick in the Draft on a non-scoring, non-skilled position.
If a 1st round QB turns out average, you'll get far more in a trade or RFA, than an OT that turns out average.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:02 PM
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A good example to this theory, is our own 2005 1st rounder, Jason Campbell, who has QB'd who according to Boswell..

In regards to percentage of touchdown passes...."Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities".

Imagine waiting for an OT to finally pan out after 5 years since he was selected in the 1st round. He would be gone. Yet, Jason, as a skilled position player, still has some good trade value.

So, pick a QB in the First Round with the #4 pick..and then balls to the wall on acquiring OLine guys... draft, FA, or trade.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to cite the source of the quote)))))))))))
see link below.
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*Draft OT in 1st , QB in the 2nd

Posted by: barno-1 | February 21, 2010 6:53 PM
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Draft a game changing QB in the 1st.. OT, 2nd, OT 4th, OT 5th.
You dont waste a once-in-a-decade (you hope) #4 pick in the Draft on a non-scoring, non-skilled position.
If a 1st round QB turns out average, you'll get far more in a trade or RFA, than an OT that turns out average.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:02 PM
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A good example to this theory, is our own 2005 1st rounder, Jason Campbell. According to Tom Boswell, in regards to percentage of touchdown passes...."Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, ranked lower".

Imagine waiting for an OT to finally pan out after 5 years since he was selected in the 1st round. He would be gone. Yet, Jason, as a skilled position player, still has some good trade value.

So, pick a QB in the First Round with the #4 pick..and then balls to the wall on acquiring OLine guys... draft, FA, or trade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/20/AR2009092002697_2.html?sid=ST2009092002988

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

You dont waste a once-in-a-decade (you hope) #4 pick in the Draft on a non-scoring, non-skilled position.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:20 PM


I'd agree with this if people were saying that about Bradford and Clausen. At this point they a good QBs not elite because of all the questions mark surrounding their NFL projections.

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

You dont waste a once-in-a-decade (you hope) #4 pick in the Draft on a non-scoring, non-skilled position.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 7:20 PM


I'd agree with this if people were saying that about Bradford and Clausen. At this point they a good QBs not elite because of all the questions mark surrounding their NFL projections.

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 7:28 PM
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Most analysts were saying this about JC in 2005, that he too, was not 1st round material... much like a Clausen.. However, Gibbs thought otherwise and traded most of 2006 to get him...

Except for the shoulder question mark.. Casserly and most other current and ex GMs say Bradford is justified to be considered in the 1st round. Notwithstanding free agent moves or trades in March and considering Shanny did fairly well with his last 1st round QB pick (Cutler in 2006 made probow in 2008)....I would guess Bradford, if available, will be picked by shanny in April (hopefully not Clausen). Bradford has the size, read speed and release speed that Shanny likes..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 8:08 PM

It really would depend on his injury of course. Spending the fourth pick on a quarterback with a bum throwing shoulder would be a huge mistake. Given that it would probably kill his rookie season developmentally. We shall see!! Bradford is talented when healthy.

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

“Their only hope is to get the first or 2nd pick in the lottery and draft John Wall or Evan Turner. Then repeat this vicious cycle for the next 5 years. 2016 NBA Championship!”

I'm predicting a 2016 NBA championship as long as the Wiz take my above advice.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 21, 2010 7:00 PM

Is this your first year of following them Wizards? Give them five consecutive #1 picks and you'll have a team with five Kwame Browns. As you know, I've been following them since 1928.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Nuts to drafting Jimmy The Pickle. Drew Brees couldn't win with the O-line we have. Give Campbell his his year under Shanahan to prove he can walk the walk, make Brennan step it up a notch and be ready if/when his number's called, and use our picks to bring in some ornery bulls for our Front Five.

P.S. - I still want a big, slobbering, Riggin-esque fullback nicknamed 'Mongo'.

Posted by: ericenderle | February 21, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Guess which QB was the only QB to make the top 32 FA list. BTW if I'm the Skins I'm going for Dansby, Robinson, and Walters for sure in FA.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12945380/top-32-fas-capfree-year-needs-restricted-infusion

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The Bucs and Rams have reportedly explored a deal that would send the No. 3 overall pick, a third-round pick, and QB Josh Johnson to St. Louis for the first overall selection.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 21, 2010 4:37 PM |

This does not sound like a very bright move on the part of StL. It kind of sounds like a Vinny brain fart. So the Rams pass on Suh to drop down two spots and get a 3rd round pick for their trouble? Suh is about the only sure thing in the draft. It may be only a two spot drop but it is a big drop in talent you can take to the bank. Not a surprise however because the Rams had the #2 pick last year and blew it on a mediocre OT. After that fiasco they had better pick Suh if they have any hopes of keeping what little fan base they still have. One prob is that the estate of the previous owner is farting around with trying to get the team sold, which can make for an unwanted distraction.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Guess which QB was the only QB to make the top 32 FA list. BTW if I'm the Skins I'm going for Dansby, Robinson, and Walters for sure in FA.

I'm down with that, but that plea to SHANNY must have cost SOUP a bundle.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm going for Dansby, Robinson, and Walters for sure in FA.

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 9:13 PM |

The only one that has any appeal at all is Rob and that is only because Los will have to be replaced. Mebbe the Skins admit to themselves that the lack of a CBA has shriveled up the FA market and focus on what they can do with roster trimming in an uncapped yr.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

The Magic beat the Cavs pretty easily. How is the dominant big man in the East. Shaq's skills have eroded to the point where he should seriously consider retiring. He had a good career. Don't think Jam is going to have much of an impact in Cleve. He is in the beginning stages of the decline curve that Shaq has set up shop in. And when Bron leaves after the season is over Jam will be a drag on Cleve.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Give them five consecutive #1 picks and you'll have a team with five Kwame Browns. As you know, I've been following them since 1928.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 8:32 PM |

As you might not know, Kwam was Jor's brain fart which lead eventually to him being given the boot (Jor). Doubt if the current FO would make a mistake like that.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Doubt if the current FO would make a mistake like that.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 10:26 PM

Well, the current FO gave all the money they could to Gilbert Arenas. And they cut Roger Mason Jr. to keep DeShawn Stevenson. They traded Jamison, Butler, Haywood for a bag of magic beans. Etc. The current FO is a continuation of the previous FO.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Where you see beans L-S, I see bean soup. HOWARD, SINGLETON and ROSS have favorably impressed me so far. The old ZEN-master in me says, "We'll see." Same with ALLEN-SHANIHAN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Cut dead-weight contracts, sign FA's, let RFA's go for picks, trade down for picks. GO 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Guess which QB was the only QB to make the top 32 FA list. BTW if I'm the Skins I'm going for Dansby, Robinson, and Walters for sure in FA.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12945380/top-32-fas-capfree-year-needs-restricted-infusion

Posted by: TWISI | February 21, 2010 9:13 PM
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Guess who must not of seen a Redskins game last year.

Rinse and repeat..
JC in the 4th Quarter with less than 7 minutes to play has a QB Rating of 61. Never a come from behind victory.

"Out of all the 219 passers in NFL HISTORY who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent for TDs. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, ranked lower".
Thats from the NFL's near 90 year history (1922)!!

Lets keep JC as a backup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, the current FO gave all the money they could to Gilbert Arenas. And they cut Roger Mason Jr. to keep DeShawn Stevenson. They traded Jamison, Butler, Haywood for a bag of magic beans. Etc. The current FO is a continuation of the previous FO.

Posted by: League-Source | February 21, 2010 10:49 PM |

Hey, who knew that Agent Zilch would turn into a Looney Tune? They didn't even get beans for Jam, Hay and But. But they have something valuable - roster space and salary space. In an alternate universe Zilch is a star, the team is a perennial winner and everybody lives happily ever after.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Cut dead-weight contracts, sign FA's, let RFA's go for picks, trade down for picks. GO 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 11:17 PM |

1. cut dead-weight contracts - check
2. sign FA's - none worth signing
3. let RFA's go for picks - nobody wants to surrender picks in this talent-rich draft
4. trade down for picks - check
5. suck hard in 2010, trade 2011 picks for 2012 picks
6. draft Bark in 2012

Go Skins.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"What does Flaco and Sanchez have in common?
New system, new coaches, playoffs."

No offense intended, but that's sort of a dumb comment. In the first place, both Flacco and Sanchez were blessed with much stronger blocking and running attacks than Campbell had last year. You'll recall that in the first half of Zorn's initial season, the running attack worked well and Campbell seemed a much better QB than during the second half, when it stalled.

Another factor: both Joe and Mark operated in the protected schemes that required less of them than most NFL quarterbacks. Cam Cameron put in about half the Ravens' passing offense just so Flacco wouldn't have to overthink. The Jets' coaches did the same thing for Sanchez. The intention from the beginning has been to protect the fragile QB ego and to make the player comfortable. It's a good strategy with a young quarterback but a lot of teams lack the surrounding players to pull it off. Baltimore and the Jets were successful.

That's not a defense of Jason Campbell, who has his problems. It's a criticism of your criticism, which ultimately is full of holes.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

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The offense stalled because teams figured out that they could put 8 in the box, stop the run, and not get beat by Campbell.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | February 22, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a class act, and showed that he is tough after the pounding he took last year.

What I don't like about Campbell is he doesn't appear to read defenses that well, his release is slow, and he can be innaccuarate on all the throws from short to deep. He also doesn't have "it", that ability to take a game over, will and lead his team, come from behind etc.
As far as "it", most NFL QB's don't have that, but can still be winners and take their team to the playoffs and Super Bowls.

I don't know what JC can and will do with these new coaches, schemes, and hopefully improved Oline if he indeed still remains a Redskin. Only time can answer these questions. To me JC is still sort of a mystery.
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Posted by: 72Redskins | February 20, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse
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I agree with your opinion of Campbell. Except for being a "mystery".

He's coming up on 50 starts. 50 STARTS!!!
That's a veteran my friend. You are right, he doesn't have "it". You can't teach that.

The JC fans will soon shut the F up because in free agency, we'll be offered NOTHING for him. By the way, when the line was healthy at the beginning of the year, Campbell still could not get us into the end zone. Remember all the FGs we had to settle for?

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | February 22, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Bozyn1 obviously you never played the game or the position...NO QUARTERBACK can be successful with no O Line and no running game...
With no O Line Campbell still finished above average in the league...Campbell is not/was not the problem...the line,the running game were the problems and a defense that could not hold a lead in the last seconds of the 4th quarter.

Keep Campbell... get linemen and a running back.

Posted by: petebowling1 | February 22, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Keep Campbell... get linemen and a running back.

Posted by: petebowling1 | February 22, 2010 1:57 AM

Huh?

No running back can be succesful with no OLine and QB...

No Oline can be succesful with no RB and QB...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 3:12 AM | Report abuse

"The offense stalled because teams figured out that they could put 8 in the box, stop the run, and not get beat by Campbell. Posted by: Redskin_in_miami"

Except the defense didn't have to. Once those o-linemen started going down, and Portis began to struggle, all they needed was a few guys to pressure the QB. The rest could stay in pass defense. Don't you remember Zorn's comment, that he couldn't even find a couple seconds to get a receiver into a pattern before the protection collapsed?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 5:03 AM | Report abuse

"Most analysts were saying this about JC in 2005, that he too, was not 1st round material... much like a Clausen.. However, Gibbs thought otherwise and traded most of 2006 to get him..."

'Most analysts', eh? Translation: people pretending to have inside dope on how teams will draft in order to fill pages in sports sections.

Put it this way: JC rose late on people's draft boards, based on the success of his team. He wasn't rated that high in pre-season rankings. He was picked 25th, traditionally not a spot where you expect to find top-ranked NFL QBs. He's turned out to be about as good as you can expect a QB chosen later first round choice to be. Better than Pat Ramsey, certainly.

Better still, he continues to get better. Ramsey didn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 5:10 AM | Report abuse

"Most analysts were saying this about JC in 2005, that he too, was not 1st round material... much like a Clausen.. However, Gibbs thought otherwise and traded most of 2006 to get him..."

'Most analysts', eh? Translation: people pretending to have inside dope on how teams will draft in order to fill pages in sports sections.

Put it this way: JC rose late on people's draft boards, based on the success of his team. He wasn't rated that high in pre-season rankings. He was picked 25th, traditionally not a spot where you expect to find top-ranked NFL QBs. He's turned out to be about as good as you can expect a QB chosen later first round choice to be. Better than Pat Ramsey, certainly.

Better still, he continues to get better. Ramsey didn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 5:10 AM
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Too bad Snyder couldnt get a 2nd round pick for him last year when he was trying to acquire Sanchez.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Now THIS is a mock draft I can appreciate...Bucky Brooks has us taking Okung at #4 and Sam Bradford as the only QB taken in Round 1 (by Arizona at #26):

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8166b4a7&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


I normal hate mock drafts (mock drafts = power rankings), but it's something to throw up here on a slow day on RI...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
I like the looks of the Redskins getting Okung. Of course, Brooks is also talking about Arizona trying to pick up Bradford and I think that is pure science fiction. There is a lot of quality in offensive lineman at that level, and I can't see Arizona passing up on a chance to bolster that running game. I don't belive they are sold on Leinart, but can't see them passing up on an offensive tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Better still, he continues to get better. Ramsey didn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 5:10 AM
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Why does everyone say JC is improving?.. I see a regression where it counts for an effective QB and for winning games..

2009, 16 games, 4-12 W-L, 15 INTs, QB rating 4th Qtr with less than 7 minutes 61.0

2008, 16 games, 8-8 W-L, 6 INTs, QB rating 4th Qtr less than 7 minutes 84.0

I believe in 09 he also had more total fumbles (a few returned for TDs). Couldn't find the stats to back it up, though.

Campbell's overall qb rating improved 2 points but that is a misleading 2 points.. Last year, at 4-12, he had ALOT more trash time versus 2008 at 8-8. In 2009 seeing the opposing team in prevent D, with a 2 score lead in the 4th, was more the norm than the exception.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I actually could see AZ getting a QB. At the 26th spot, you're probably not getting a O-lineman that's higher on the draft board than Bradford is and the Cards are definitely not sold on Leinart.

The thing I found interesting on his mock draft though, was that he had a lot of O-lineman going in Round 1. If it goes down like that, kinda makes me wonder if maybe the Skins take a flier on Clausen with the 2nd round pick (I hope not).

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, good call Clifton...I guess Orakpo is a bust too since we lost 4 more games with him on the roster.

And London Fletcher should give that Pro-Bowl berth back since, you know, we were 4-12. Plus a lot of his tackles came in garbage time when teams were running the clock on us.

Football is a team sport, guy. Just like JC doesn't win games by himself, he doesn't lose 'em by himself either.

How's this for perspective: JC's numbers would have put him in the Pro-Bowl in the AFC. Dude isn't exactly JaMarcus Russell, you know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, good call Clifton...I guess Orakpo is a bust too since we lost 4 more games with him on the roster.

And London Fletcher should give that Pro-Bowl berth back since, you know, we were 4-12. Plus a lot of his tackles came in garbage time when teams were running the clock on us.

Football is a team sport, guy. Just like JC doesn't win games by himself, he doesn't lose 'em by himself either.

How's this for perspective: JC's numbers would have put him in the Pro-Bowl in the AFC. Dude isn't exactly JaMarcus Russell, you know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 8:27 AM
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Brownwood, weak response. Last I checked Orakpo and Fletcher are on a top 10 Defense.. Or, another way to look at it.. Once again, for the 4th year in a row, our QB and Offense wasted a great Defense.

And if there was a Pro-Bowl for QBs that pads their stats during prevent D with 80 percent of their completions under 10 yards..Yes, JC would be the hands-down starter.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Clifton, the point is you're holding an individual player responsible for a team result. You can't say JC didn't improve individually because the TEAM regressed. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

And don't throw out the comparison because I named defensive players...seems to me the offense was pretty putrid last year too and yet sent 4 guys to the Pro-Bowl while that "top 10 defense" sent no one. Just like you're not impressed with JC's stats because of some alleged "running it up against a prevent D", I'm not impressed with a defense that ranks well in yardage yet gives up much of that yardage (and a ton of points, I might add) in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

This team was 4-12 last year, and EVERYONE is to blame in one way or another. IMO, pinning it on one guy or somehow disregarding an improvement on JC's part is misguided.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Lets keep JC as a backup.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 21, 2010 11:29 PM


It seems that the scouts aren't agreeing with your position. The longer this offseason has progressed, the more they seem to think that JC is a viable starter in the league, particularly with the right coach and offensive coordinator. JC may not get another shot in DC, but the point here is what other people, and teams are seeing on film. It may mean that JC could bring in more than a 3rd and 4th rounder in a trade either this year or next.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

It seems that the scouts aren't agreeing with your position. The longer this offseason has progressed, the more they seem to think that JC is a viable starter in the league, particularly with the right coach and offensive coordinator.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 8:56 AM

Who are the scouts who see JC as a viable starter?

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

When I think of the teamwork speech I always think of this:

"Life goes on. A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms. Enthusiasms... Enthusiasms... What are mine? What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork.... Looks, throws, catches, hustles - part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don't field... what is he? You follow me? No one! Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? 'I'm goin' out there for myself. But... I get nowhere unless the team wins.'"

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 9:00 AM

Read what they are saying in these posts. These are the only links I can get to from work.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/11182/skins-campbell-wont-go-quietly

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/349351-quarterbacks-for-hire-to-put-under-a-fire

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12945380/top-32-fas-capfree-year-needs-restricted-infusion

Beyond that, look at his positional ranking among the FA QBs. It has not been affected after the scrutiny of time.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Clifton, ..... You can't say JC didn't improve individually because the TEAM regressed......

And don't throw out the comparison because I named defensive players...seems to me the offense was pretty putrid last year too and yet sent 4 guys to the Pro-Bowl while that "top 10 defense" sent no one.

This team was 4-12 last year, and EVERYONE is to blame in one way or another. IMO, pinning it on one guy or somehow disregarding an improvement on JC's part is misguided.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 8:46 AM
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Not to make an obvious understatement, but turnovers (INTs and fumbles) are game changers. And JC had the highest number, by far, in his career last year. I dont call that improvement for a 5 year NFL vet QB.

Also on his 2 point QB rating overall improvement...More than half of the 16 games, last year, saw the opponents of the Skins in Prevent D, in the 4th Qtr.. At that point, they gave JC anything he wanted, before the red zone. Thus his inordinate amount of attempts (80%) under 10 yards or less. He was an all-pro QB during mop up time when the DBs were playing back like baseball outfielders.

Basically, when you examine the stats by situation..ie. when the game counts (15 INTs aside), JC did not improve last year.

Regarding your remark about 4 Offensive players making the Pro-Bowl..????
I thought NO Redskins from the 4-12 Offense made the roster?

Only the Skin's Defense had one voted-in representative, Orakpo. The Defense had a second player in the Pro-Bowl as an alternate, Fletcher.
Who were the Offensive guys?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh, the smell of Campbell apologists on a Monday morning... it smells like... dookie.

The "RI scouts" see JC as a viable starter. Their hope is that enough off season has gone by that we won't remember Campbell's last pass of the season was a hail Mary pass thrown, in the face of zero pass rush, out of bounds. They might wish we will forget his three interception, two fumble performance in Tampa Bay, or his misguided pass thrown three feet past the line of scrimmage in the New York Giants game. Yes, his stats look good because of some padding in garbage time, but you can't argue with the individual non-performances from this quarterback. He's not a franchise quarterback because he can't put the game on his shoulders and win.

He's worth keeping around this season as little more than a tackling dummy. Maybe Shanny can pull off a major miracle and make something of Campbell, but there wouldn't be so much debate and predicting of a QB being drafted if anyone had faith in that happening.

Campbell apologists: wake up and smell the coffee. It's a lot better smell than the stench of that crap you are selling us about Campbell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure it's been said, but: nice to see JC taking offseason seriously this time. I mean, he is the starter until told otherwise.. to cry about it now is folly.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 22, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

It may mean that JC could bring in more than a 3rd and 4th rounder in a trade either this year or next.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 8:56 AM
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So, Jason as a former First Round Pick in 2005, is now worth a 3rd or 4th Round pick after 5 years in the NFL. Pretty much what Dan Snyder found out last year.
Thats not improvement.. Thats more like a wasted 1st round pick and millions in salary (actually 4 wasted picks.. the one used and the ones traded in 2006)

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Campbell apologists: wake up and smell the coffee. It's a lot better smell than the stench of that crap you are selling us about Campbell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 9:15 AM

You know what, you're right. I guess that your incredible scouting eye has seen the warts that are obvious. Hopefully the skins will succceed in getting something for Campbell this offseason. If not just let him walk and be done with it.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Clifton, you can basically make stats say what you want 'em to...you saw a guy dink and dunk (which, by the way, is what MOST WCO QBs do) and I saw a guy improve his completion % and TD totals. I've heard people here beat JC up for not taking more chances down the field and now that he has (at least compared to last year), he's getting flak for throwing more picks. Can't have it both ways, my friend.

And I guess I wasn't clear about the Pro-Bowl thing...I was referring to '08, I keep thinking of '09 as still being this year (I'll get used to '10 when March rolls around).

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

So, Jason as a former First Round Pick in 2005, is now worth a 3rd or 4th Round pick after 5 years in the NFL.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 9:23 AM

I didn't say that. I was stating what others (JC haters for a lack of better words) are saying. IMO I wouldn't let JC walk for just a 3rd rounder this year. I'd need some kind of conditional future pick as well. As opposed to last year, JC is one of the better options for a team needing a vet QB.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

So, Jason as a former First Round Pick in 2005, is now worth a 3rd or 4th Round pick after 5 years in the NFL. Pretty much what Dan Snyder found out last year.
Thats not improvement.. Thats more like a wasted 1st round pick and millions in salary (actually 4 wasted picks.. the one used and the ones traded in 2006)

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 9:23 AM


Again...nobody is delusional enough to think JC is an elite QB. And only an elite QB would fetch a pick equal or greater than their draft status. Hell, I'd be shocked if McNabb reels in a 1st rounder to Philly and he's a Pro-Bowler.

And for the record, I fully agree the Skins reached for Campbell. However, it doesn't make him any better or any worse a QB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 9:00 AM

Read what they are saying in these posts. These are the only links I can get to from work.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/11182/skins-campbell-wont-go-quietly

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/349351-quarterbacks-for-hire-to-put-under-a-fire

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12945380/top-32-fas-capfree-year-needs-restricted-infusion

Beyond that, look at his positional ranking among the FA QBs. It has not been affected after the scrutiny of time.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 9:11 AM
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Why don't you pull back from reading all of the garbage on the internet and look at some actual tape of the guy playing quarterback? He has a long windup. He is very mobile, but he doesn't throw well on the run. He has great arm strength but he's inaccurate. He has no awareness of what is going on around him in the pocket which directly leads to more sacks.

You can say, yes, he was pressured a lot last season. Sure was. He got beat around. The offensive line was horrible. All true, but, even when Campbell was not pressured, he made errant throws, interceptions and bone headed plays. The team tailored the offense to Campbell's strengths once Sherm Lewis came onboard. They got the ball out quicker. They spread the ball out more. They still didn't win games.

You say his stats looked good. You said his stats were better than any QB's in the AFC. What does this mean? Is he a better QB than Peyton Manning? Is he a better QB than Brady? Rothliesberger? This just goes to show the stats mean nothing. And again, look at the tape. How did Campbell pad those stats? It drove me crazy last season the number of times he threw to the underneath guy on third down. Three and out, but JC's completion percentage went up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

For all you stat-maniacs who love to tout JC's 'improvement' over the years, why not look at the major statistic: his ability to win.

Over the course of his career while behind by one TD or less, JC has racked up 14 TDs and 12 INTs. Last year, in the same situation, 7 TDs to 7 INTs.

Over the course of his career with the game difference being one TD or less (where he needs to lead a comeback or put the nail in the coffin), JC has racked up 30 TDs and 22 INTs. Last year, 12 TDs, 12 INTs.

Finally, and here's the kicker, when behind in the 4th quarter by less than 7 or tied in OT, career 10 TDs and 11 INTs. Last year, 0 TDs & 3 INTs.

These are not even including final 'drives' that end in 4 & outs (a la SD week 17) he's barely above .500 in his ability to not lose the game.

You can't blame JC for the losses? Oh really?

Now let's compare to his competition from the NFC East:

Tony Romo:
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 7 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 21 TD-7 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 4 TD-1 INT

Donovan McNabb
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 4 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 14 TD-6 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 0 TD-1 INT

Eli Manning
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 7 TD-3 INT; Within 1 TD: 14 TD-7 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 3 TD-1 INT

As clearly shown here, JC is significantly behind the curve when it comes to NFC East QBs.

And just for kicks, here's the Superbowl QBs stats:

Drew Brees
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 11 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 25 TD-5 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 5 TD-0 INT

Peyton Manning
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 9 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 23 TD-9 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 6 TD-1 INT

Bottom line, when it matters, JC fails.

Posted by: CecIVC | February 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

BEEPS

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Would someone please update the home page...It's getting tiresome looking at the same old pictures and articles.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | February 22, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: CecIVC | February 22, 2010 9:34 AM |
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great post / research CecIVC
I know Bruce Allen reads RI.. but, I hope the other 31 GMs dont.. Or, the Skins wont smell a 4th round offer for JC.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

You say his stats looked good. You said his stats were better than any QB's in the AFC. What does this mean? Is he a better QB than Peyton Manning? Is he a better QB than Brady? Rothliesberger? This just goes to show the stats mean nothing. And again, look at the tape. How did Campbell pad those stats? It drove me crazy last season the number of times he threw to the underneath guy on third down. Three and out, but JC's completion percentage went up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 9:33 AM

I never said any of this. Moreover, unlike you, I don't profess to being a scout. That's why I read excerpts from people who have played the game at a professional level; or scouted at a professional level; or who have being intimately involved in the NFL. I'm a fan; therefore I hope the Skin's maximize their resources and build a quality team. Maybe you were a scout or whatever that why you can analyze and see the warts of JC to be greater than what other professionals in the industry are seeing.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Put a picture of Okung up there along with a story since most of the followers and fans want an OT...NOT a QB.
That would require a reporter researching and reporting (hummm do they call them reporters anymore???). We know everything slows down when it cold and snows but co'mon.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | February 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Redskins need to get rid of Campbell.. The team will NEVER be successful while he is the QB here. Personally I'd rather draft a QB later and give Colt a shot but if it comes to either drafting a QB as the 4th pick or keeping Campbell.. then draft a QB. Besides the last time the Skins QB was number 7 out of Notre Dame.. we didn't do to bad...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe the number of people saying the Skins should keep Campbell... Look Campbell SUCKS!!! He should have been replaced after 2007, Collins winning 4 games right after Campbell lost 4 games with the same OL proved Campbell is not a winner. Instead we wasted 2 more years 2008 and 2009 trying to make Campbell a success.. well he's NOT. The Skins have to get rid of him. And I'm so tired of the excuses.. the OL isn't good. Well it isn't good on GB either and Rogers got that team in the playoffs. Look don't believe me but how about Rodney Harrison who said JC should be a backup QB or Mark Rypien who didn't think JC was a good fit for this offense. Or Sonny Jurgensen who said the Redskins would do better with Collins as the starter or Charlie Casserly who said Jason is to slow to decide where to throw the ball or Chris Collingworth who blamed Campbell on the number of sacks he gets because he can't read the blitz or Clinton Portis who said JC is not a leader and Chris Cooley for not disagreeing with that. It all points to one thing.. Campbell SUCKS!! Now he is unsigned.. and people want him back for a year to bridge in a new QB??? Why? To sign him it will cost MILLIONS! If they need a bridge use Collins he is probably better and certainly as good. Or use Colt.. who is an unknown right now but really how could he be worse? And he might be a lot better. Campbell is a LOSER!!! He split the team he split the fans...Get rid of him NOW...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse


It's the same as it always has been over the last 10 years. Nothing has changed. So may I suggest everone stay focused and keep your eye's on the ball -

BOYCOTT $NYDER OR YOU REMAIN BRAINWASHED!!!

Posted by: hessone | February 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Another coach. Another system. I can't take it. I can't take it. " - jc imitating a parrot.

What does Flaco and Sanchez have in common?
New system, new coaches, playoffs.

"Another coach. Another system. I can't take it. I can't take it. "


Posted by: hock1 | February 20, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE IT! If Jason stays, please, please, replace the Jason Candle commercials with the Jason 'Parrot' Campbell commercial.. I can't take it, I can't take it! LMAO!

Posted by: TKing1 | February 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I know this is hard to believe but Colt Brennan will start, we'll draft a stud OL and Shanny will look like a genius. We'll get our franchise QB next year. Campbell can't hang. He even threw a hail mary out of bounds. Bye Jason. Brennan will be fine because he can scramble enough to find one of the two bada$$ tight ends we'll have set on 75% of the passing plays.

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | February 22, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

All of you guys who say, "Get rid of Campbell"...I can't wait to see how an inexperienced Clausen or an already destoyed body in Bradford perform behind an O-Line (read: jacked up Chris Samuels and non-perforing Heyer) that is ineffective. Sure, go get one of those other YOUNG guys. They'll end up on their @sses because the O-line is broken.

Posted by: gr8bigguy | February 25, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

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