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Cartwright: 'I have nothing against Vinny'

After practice today, Rock Cartwright called an impromptu news conference in the middle of the locker room to clarify comments he made about Vinny Cerrato on Thursday at Redskins Park.

I'm not going to rehash everything Rock said because I did not use the quotes. But listening to what he said, it seemed he didn't think much of Cerrato, who resigned Thursday and was replaced by Bruce Allen.

"I wasn't like everybody [the media] made it. That's not what I meant," Cartwright said before the group session. "I have nothing against Vinny."

It has been a tough season for Cartwright, who has tumbled down the depth chart recently as a running back and kickoff returner.

He is scheduled to earn $1.5 million next season in the final year of his deal.

There's no way the Redskins are going to pay him that much, so this could be the end of the road for Cartwright. He has done all the little things for eight seasons and is a team leader.

If this is Cartwright's final season with Washington, it's too bad he went out like this.

By Jason Reid  |  December 18, 2009; 6:28 PM ET
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can bruce allen play right tackle?

Posted by: BMACattack | December 18, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

leader scheader, RC31's been outplayed by scrubs and players coming in off the street all season.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 18, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

We need guys like Rock, he's our lesser version of Brian Mitchell. This dude has done everything asked of him. It's not his fault they changed the rules on the wedge.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | December 18, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I like and respect Rock alot. With that being said, a leader on a team that's won one playoff game in 8 years isn't someone who must be kept at all costs. Even if that's 1.5 mil.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 18, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I knew this story was coming. Who didn't know that "da Mayor's" would put out a Rock apology story for his locker room mole.

Another foot in mouth moment for the "character guy" on the team. I wonder what would have happened if another RB on injured reserve made those statements?

Posted by: dcwun | December 18, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

We need guys like Rock, he's our lesser version of Brian Mitchell. This dude has done everything asked of him. It's not his fault they changed the rules on the wedge.

Posted by: AnthonyMix

He's not even close to being KR that B Mitch was.

Posted by: dcwun | December 18, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, I we really worried that we cannot replace Rock with someone younger, faster, better? Upgrade and move on.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I we....are we

On of those.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Nothing personal Rock, just business.......

Posted by: hillb03 | December 18, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

We should put Rock in at left tackle. He'd take that bama Tuck's head off.

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 18, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I meant right tackle

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 18, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

along with O-line help, I still think we need to groom a replacement for Fletcher! HB Blades is only 5'10" and I'd rather have a bigger guy there ala Karlos Dansby for instance.


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 18, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

being rid of Cerrato to me means free agenst that wouldn't have come here before, just might now.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 18, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

You mean you are not going to rehash his comments because he is one of your sources?

That's the 1st I have ever seen JReid use these words. He rehashes everything dealing with the subject at hand before he starts a blog/article. Weather it be CP not practicing, Snyder's moves 8-10 years ago, and so forth....

SMDH cuz it just funny like that....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 18, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, the fresh air edition, brought to you once again by the fine people at Yahoo!


Part 1:
It wasn’t hard coming up with a topic this week. I’ll leave a review of where Cerrato went wrong for an upcoming week, for now it is a look into Bruce Allen.

I’ll start with is what little I know about him. I’m familiar with his father and brother. They are famous and have minimal relevance to Bruce Allen, GM.

What does Bruce Allen believe in and what does he do well? The draft is pretty good place to get some insights and that is what I will explore today.

Allen was an exec with the Raiders until 2003, then with Tampa starting in 2004.

I’ve looked at the Raider drafts from 1997-2003 and the Tampa drafts from 2004-2008.

In Tampa, Allen had 47 draft picks from 2004-2008 (I believe he was there for the 2004 draft, but not certain). 20 of the picks came in round 6 or 7. As best as I can tell, none of them have made much of an impact. Bruce Gradkowski is the best known of the low round picks.

Of the 27 high and mid level picks, he drafted:

5 DBs
4 DL
7 OL
4 LB
1 QB
1 RB
1 TE
4 WR

The success of his picks does not appear to be particularly noteworthy. LB Barrett Ruud is his best pick. Guard Davin Joseph made a Pro Bowl. His highest picks, Gaines Adams (4th overall) and Cadillac Williams (5th) have been significant underachievers relative to their draft position.

After looking all this over, I realized there was a Q&A with Matt Loede from Tampa. He has further insights, but our conclusions are similar.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/12/17/DI2009121702153.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’s Part 2:
In Oakland, I’m guessing 1997-2003 as years Allen would have been involved in the draft, though it is unknown how much influence Allen had with Al Davis and Davis, and in Oakland, Davis is always the final decision maker. There were 53 picks, 17 in rounds 6 or 7. Of those late round picks, only Grady Jackson became a solid pro.

The 36 top and mid level picks included:

5 DBs
10 DL
6 OL
3 LB
1 QB
3 RB
3 TE
3 WR
1 P
1 K

The track record here is more noteworthy. Among the picks were Charles Woodson and Nnamdi Asoumgha – DBs that will get serious HOF consideration (of note, his DB picks in Tampa were among his better picks for the Bucs, according to Loede). He did well with Lechler (P) and OK with Janikowski (K). Beyond these stellar picks is a mixed record, with few standout players. The late and often troubled Darrell Russell is among these picks, 2nd overall.

All in all, Allen’s record for spotting talent in the draft appears worse than the Redskins had with Cerrato. Allen has had a top 5 pick in 4 different years, twice with Oakland, twice with Tampa. The players selected were Williams (a decent RB), Adams (a bust), Russell (talented, but troubled) and Woodson (a star).

In the lower rounds, Allen has come up pretty empty – while the Skins have found a few gems along the way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’s part 3:
Next, I looked at the drafts by position, and compared it to my benchmark group. The benchmark group consists of the drafts of the Pats, Colts, jints and Steelers from 2001-2008. I looked at the early and middle rounds (rounds 1-5), by position. These top teams use roughly ¼ of their picks on DBs and 1/3 of their picks are along the lines, evenly split between offense and defense.

Combining the Raider and Tampa picks, Allen’s high and mid level picks breakout as follows:

10 DB
14 DL
13 OL
7 LB
2 QB
4 RB
4 TE
7 WR
2 ST

So how does he compare to the benchmark group?

Pos, Allen, Benchmark Group
DB, 16%, 24%
DL, 22%, 16%
OL, 21%, 16%
LB, 11%, 15%
QB, 3%, 5%
RB, 6%, 5%
TE, 6%, 8%
WR, 11%, 9%
ST, 3%, 2%


Comparing Allen’s track record to the benchmark set by the top teams, the only area where he is significantly underweight is at DB, the position he had the highest quality picks.

So if he chose to underweight DBs, where did he overweight? It is music to the ears of Redskins fans; he chose to overweight along the lines. Over 40% of Allen’s early and mid round picks have been linemen. The benchmark group used 56% of their picks on DBs and linemen. Allen used 59% on these groups. If you add in LBs, the benchmark group used 71% at these positions, Allen 70%. Of note, the LB to DL ratio should depend on if a team is 3-4 or 4-3, but the total of those 2 groups should be similar. The benchmark group used 31% of their picks on DL+LB, Allen used 33%.

At every other spot, he was very close to what the benchmark group did.

Allen has chosen players in the right proportions and is remarkably close to the distribution associated with the best teams in football.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse


ZEKE’s part 4:
Given the QB will be a major subject, it is worth a glance at his results with drafting QBs. Allen has drafted just two QBs in the early and mid rounds, one in round 2, the other in round 5. The round 2 pick never made much of a dent in the league. The number 5 pick, Josh Johnson, doesn’t appear to have a significant NFL future at this time. The odds of re-signing Jason Campbell go up.

The bottom line on Allen’s draft history is actually pretty simple. He understands how to draft in a balanced manner, but he struggles to identify talent at pretty much all levels of the draft. The notable exception is with DBs, where he has pulled in top talent. To succeed, Allen needs a very good talent evaluator to help him select the right players out of college. The combination of Allen and a strong talent evaluation team should prove very effective.


And that is it for the fresh air edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

along with O-line help, I still think we need to groom a replacement for Fletcher! HB Blades is only 5'10" and I'd rather have a bigger guy there ala Karlos Dansby for instance.


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 18, 2009 7:03 PM

I'm not saying Blades is or isn't the guy to replace LF59...but his height shouldn't be the determining factor. Afterall, Fletcher is 5'10" too. I've been impressed with Blades and predict he will carve out a nice career for himself...here or elsewhere.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 18, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

And that is it for the fresh air edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2009 7:13 PM

Very good analysis of Allen's draft history.

Posted by: will_ga | December 18, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody actually decipher WTF Jreid is actually talking about in this post? It seems to be a psuedo compilation of conflicting innuendo and half commentary.

******
"I got nothing against Vinny"

But listening to what he said, it seemed he didn't think much of Cerrato,

He has done all the little things for eight seasons and is a team leader.

If this is Cartwright's final season with Washington, it's too bad he went out like this.
*********

Seriously, did you hit the 'Nog already? This is the most disjointed compilation of claptrap I've seen here, and that is no easy feat.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Rock, it occurs to me that maybe he's been part of the problem. He always seems slightly disgruntled, and he openly questions coaching decisions (when they affect him). That doesn't sound like a legit team captain, Mr. Redskin type of guy to me. Sounds more like a whiner that ought to be jettisoned.

Posted by: chris_zz | December 18, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The draft changed today for OT, Bruce Campbell MD declared early for the draft.

So there are now at least 3 OT 1st round picks in the top 15.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 18, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Very good analysis of Allen's draft history.

Posted by: will_ga | December 18, 2009 8:08 PM |

With Allen, if you was looking for someone who can architect a team the way Franky Wright could architect a building, you're looking in the wrong place.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 18, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The draft changed today for OT, Bruce Campbell MD declared early for the draft.

So there are now at least 3 OT 1st round picks in the top 15.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 18, 2009 8:44 PM |

It's more like there is Okung and everybody else, some of whom probably will be picked somewhere in the 1st round, inhaling the dude's dust.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 18, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

So there are now at least 3 OT 1st round picks in the top 15.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 18, 2009 8:44 PM

That sounds like good news.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is definitely in play for the Redskins

Posted by Mike Florio on December 18, 2009 8:37 PM ET

There have been all sorts of reports and whispers and Tweets regarding the question of whether Mike Shanahan will be the next coach of the Redskins.

And based on the information we've gathered from sources whom we trust, we are convinced that Shanahan is and has been talking to the Redskins, and that Shanahan can have the job if he wants it.

But it's not a done deal. As with the Vinny Cerrato-Bruce Allen swap, the Redskins possibly have to comply with the Rooney Rule before putting Zorn in a box and pulling the curtain shut and saying the magic words and then dropping the curtain to reveal Shanahan.

It's also possible that Shanahan will decide not to take the job. As Mike Klis of the Denver Post pointed out last night, Shanahan is still owed $7 million in 2010 and $7 million in 2011. Thus, if he makes anything less than $7 million per year to coach the Redskins, Shanahan will essentially be working for free.

Regardless of how it all turns out, Shanahan has definitely been talking to the Redskins and Shanahan definitely is in play. We are more convinced of those facts than anything we've ever previously reported, and anyone who says anything contrary to that is either misinformed or advancing an agenda.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody actually decipher WTF Jreid is actually talking about in this post? It seems to be a psuedo compilation of conflicting innuendo and half commentary.

******
"I got nothing against Vinny"

But listening to what he said, it seemed he didn't think much of Cerrato,

He has done all the little things for eight seasons and is a team leader.

If this is Cartwright's final season with Washington, it's too bad he went out like this.
*********

Seriously, did you hit the 'Nog already? This is the most disjointed compilation of claptrap I've seen here, and that is no easy feat.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse
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Agreed. JReid just wants something to be a weasel about. The point is rock wants to clear the air if he was misunderstood. But Jreid wants to turn it into a soap opera/ salary cap analysis. Not helpful.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 18, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The draft changed today for OT, Bruce Campbell MD declared early for the draft.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 18, 2009 8:44 PM |

With the threat of a new CBA restricting draftee salaries there are going to be declarees coming out of the woodworkee.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 18, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 18, 2009 7:40 PM

My thinking on Blades is that he is a guy you keep around, but is not so imposing at his position that you don't keep looking for an upgrade. Especially when it's MLB, where you really want to dominate the field.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Thus, if he makes anything less than $7 million per year to coach the Redskins, Shanahan will essentially be working for free.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 8:58 PM |

That don't make no sense. It says the Skins will be bidding for Shan's services against a $7 M contract already in place. Nobody in his right mind would pay that much for a shopworn HC. Except for Dumass Denver that is.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 18, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

From RI on Twitter: RT @BobGlauber People Ive spoken to think Shanahan will see if Cowboys job opens before any move. We'll $ee if $nyder changes those plans.

Makes sense especially since Denver is paying.

Posted by: will_ga | December 18, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

SHANAHAN SUCKED IN OAKLAND AND DENVER AND DRAFTED QB CUTLER! HE HAD ONE PLAYOFF APPEARENCE AFTER ELWAY LEFT. ELWAY MADE DENVER-NOT SHANAHAN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | December 18, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Reid, can we get a post up here that links to the NFL Pro Bowl voting? I just read that London Fletcher is currently 5th in the NFC among middle linebackers....5th! Travesty! Redskin nation needs to do something about this. Lets get a RI campaign started right now...

Posted by: moliverez | December 18, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

My thinking on Blades is that he is a guy you keep around, but is not so imposing at his position that you don't keep looking for an upgrade. Especially when it's MLB, where you really want to dominate the field.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Well said, agree completely.

got to www.nfl.com for Pro Bowl Voting.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

SHANAHAN SUCKED IN OAKLAND AND DENVER AND DRAFTED QB CUTLER! HE HAD ONE PLAYOFF APPEARENCE AFTER ELWAY LEFT. ELWAY MADE DENVER-NOT SHANAHAN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | December 18, 2009 9:53 PM |

Elway didn't win sh_t until he got a running back who carried the team two both of there super bowl wins.

How many playoff appearances does Belichick have without Brady?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 18, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Allen seems like a respectable/respected guy, but his yes-man background in Oakland behind Davis is more than a little worrisome. His draft record is less than average, with some major busts. While he excels in likability, which should help draw some poison out of management's well, and has a sense of 'team' over the sexy pick (perhaps Snyderatto's biggest failure), he is hardly what I would consider a visionary, or even a 'good' choice. He seems merely a 'choice', one other than Cerrato, and that seems to be enough for some in here. Seen against the low bar of Cerrato, he looks great. Against the bars set by Indy and New England, not so much. Snyder has learned 'Vinny... bad', but has yet to learn what great is.

Posted by: SammyT1 | December 18, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

My thinking on Blades is that he is a guy you keep around, but is not so imposing at his position that you don't keep looking for an upgrade. Especially when it's MLB, where you really want to dominate the field.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse
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HB is versatile too. Keep him, he will be affordable. Would rather he not start unless he improves but he's a great depth guy.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 18, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I'm perhaps a little delusional. But these GM guys don't do much of the scouting -- or deciding -- in the draft/FA by sitting in their fortress of solitude and downloading scout.com reports, right?
I mean, you're basically as good as your staff and your process. I think I understand the basics of the process; the team uses team scouts + some sort of college scouting services to generate reports on the top ~500-600 prospects, starts to put them in order by position, as the season goes, they might pay visits to one or more teams/games/players to meet the player, do some on-site scouting, etc.
Then, as the offseason starts, you finalize your order by position and start to pick and choose which players in which positions make the most sense. this is where the tension between need and best player available gets resolved.
So the GM might lobby for a guy he saw in person (let's call him "Desmond Howard"), and a staff might evaluate one player as a 'hidden gem' that might not be more than broken glass (let's call him "Andre Johnson"), but the overall tenor of drafting year over year is less likely to be dictated by the GM and more by his choice of staff -- which brings me to my main question, will the staff be replaced?

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Chris zz: Your kidding about Rock right? Here is a grown man playing a game where he's suppose to sacrifice his body week in week out and not say a thing just "yowsa boss whatever you say coach I bees yo boy".Rock has been a leader on this train wreck of a franchise for the last eight years but yet he's not suppose to complain when he can't get a start over someone off the street no disrepect to Ganther but Rock played his azz off against Denver and he deserved to get the nod over anybody this side of CP with Ladell gone for the season; see this is this franchise problem LOYALTY they've got about as much as a K street hooker i don't fault Rock at all and if he does leave he'll be missed but all some of you see is pie in the sky now that Vinny's finally gone.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 18, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

SHANAHAN SUCKED IN OAKLAND AND DENVER AND DRAFTED QB CUTLER! HE HAD ONE PLAYOFF APPEARENCE AFTER ELWAY LEFT. ELWAY MADE DENVER-NOT SHANAHAN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | December 18, 2009 9:53 PM |

Also why don't you do a little research so you don't look like an idiot, they went to the playoffs 4 times after Elway including the AFC championship game. Jake plummer was the QB so I woud say he did a great job after Eleway left goodnight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 18, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

sammy,

Name me any GM that has not had his fair share of bust in the draft. He had some very good picks as well, the draft is a crap shoot even the best GM's miss.

He is not a yes man when you can work with Al davis for 9 years, and help build a team that went to the SB you have some skill.

When he started in Tampa he lost 2 1st round picks and 2 seconds for Gruden but he still managed to build a team that won the division and went to the playoffs.

He was also dealing with a cheap owner in Tampa.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 18, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

darg,

Rock had his chances to be the number 1 runing back and didn't do the job, Ganther had a great game last week.

Leaders of a team don't cry and whine to the media when things don't go there way.

But who really cares he is gone after 3 more games anyway.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 18, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Pro Bowl Vote Link:
Inside LB London Fletcher

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

And you were talking about loyalty the only reason Rock is still on the team, is because when he tested the FA market he didn't get one offer.

The players today don't have loyalty they will go to the highest bidder.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 18, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

He will be here next year.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 18, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Special teams don't matter - field position, anybody can do it. I want guys who constantly piss and moan about how good they are and how unfair everything is. This looser Rock Cartright, who wants someone like that, merely providing a foundation for a team and doing what he's told for 8 years. BORING. Give me a Deon Sanders, now that's entertainment.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 18, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

By the way - while we're talking Rock/Ganther - anybody see JC get tatooed on that first play against Oakland by an unblocked LB? . . . who was the RB on that play?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 18, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

1st sack the RB was Ganther.
Not sure what happened there -- Jones pinched in to block the DT, leaving the RDE free. Ganther chipped the LDE to help Heyer.
So somebody screwed up, but I can't tell whether it's Jones, Rabach, Campbell, or Ganther.

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

WaPo snowcam? Is the weather outside frightful?

For what it's worth -- the paper it's printed on -- I don't think it's going to be Shanahan...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Good-bye, Rock. Thanks for the memories.

Gosh, these fringe players don't realize how quickly it can slip away from them, do they?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 18, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

A couple of mistakes I don't think Snyder will make again:

1. firing a head coach before the season is over

2. insisting that a new head coach retain some or all of the previous coaching staff

The first one I think because Snyder is concerned about the way he's perceived, and he knows how much he was ridiculed for firing Norv when the team had a winning record.

The second one I think because Snyder saw how it hamstrung his search the last time... this was probably all conjecture, but I got the impression during the search that resulted in the Zorn hire-and-promotion that Snyder insisted the staff must remain largely intact. Which is poppycock... no self-respecting NFL head man would accede to that. Hence Zorn...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Shanny is in a good spot. He is setting up a bidding war between Jerruh and The Danny.

Danny got Bruce, though, and that would seem to give him the edge. Also, if Shanny disses Danny, he could always let Zorn come back for his last year, although I'm sure he does not want to do so.

Shudder the thought, Dallas beating the Redskins, getting to the playoffs and winning a game could actually work out in the Redskins longer term favor. Phillips saves his job and Shanny comes to DC.

Niether Jerruh or Danny is gonna get outspent, so this poker game could turn into a back and forth reraise fest real quick. Gonna be great to watch it play out.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

The snow isn't all that impressive yet. Maybe a couple of inches, tops.
I think you're right on #1, but not because of perception, it's more that it doesn't do any good. You're not going to replace the head coach and begin the march to the playoffs at the end of week 5. The same cannot be said for GM, in fact I'd say "as soon as you're out of the playoffs" is the best time to make that switch.
On #2, I think it'll still be a consideration, but not a mandate. For example, if Blache wants to come back, I would think that Snyder would like to see that happen. It happens in this case that I would think most offense-minded coaches would be amenable to this. But no matter how much Snyder may like Sherm Lewis, I doubt that he'd get the same consideration.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Aye, cload. I think ShermL's very presence is a reminder that Snyder made a huge mistake in hiring-and-promoting Zorn.

I think all this attention to Shanahan could be (a) the product of very savvy media manipulation on the part of Shanahan's agent who wants people to perceive his man as the top prize in the coaching pool or (b) Snyder doing the ol' okey-doke to throw everyone off the scent of what he's really doing.

But what do I know, I'm out of beer and spending my Friday night trying to find a snowcam to see what's going on in DC...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 19, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

i'm in maryland so watching redskins nation on comcast....wow is this show siht. i knew this already, but it is staggering what a schmuck larry michaels is....reminds me a lot of yankees play by play d-bag michael kay.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 19, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Someday, the untold story of who exactly fell in love with Zorn will come out. (Well, probably not, but someone will make it up.)
I find it hard to believe that Snyder led the process, but he was certainly the wingman. My recollection is that Snyder said that "We just kept coming back to Jim".

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

who wins in a fight in their primes- Bruce Lee or Rocky Marciano? No gloves, anything goes. I'd take Rocky but...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 19, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, noone.

"Hmm... yeah, talking to him for nineteen hours only reinforced how much I hate Gregg Williams... Fassell is a chooch who never own anything, and the fan base mostly hates him... the guys I really want won't even talk to me... hold up, Jim Zorn hasn't failed as a head coach yet..."

"Sir, he's never held a head coaching job yet."

"That's what I mean! He's an unknown quantity! I will have discovered him! If he wins, I'll look like a genius! If he loses, it will all be his fault!"

"Ah yes, sir, you are right! Either way it's genius, if you ask me. But do you think he'll do it?"

"Of course he'll do it! I'm Dan motherSJKing Snyder!"

"Right again, sir!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

LOL Nate.

Blizzard warnings for PG, ANNE ARUNDEL and CALVERT counties. Up to 2 Feet of snow expected. Maybe the Giants will get stranded on the train? Not sure if they travel by train to DC, I know the Redskins take the train to Philly and I think NYC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

And you were talking about loyalty the only reason Rock is still on the team, is because when he tested the FA market he didn't get one offer.

The players today don't have loyalty they will go to the highest bidder.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

Do you read this blog?

Anyone who reads the postings here has no reason to wonder why players aren't faithful to this team or its fans who post here. Not all of course, but there's a few any self-respecting football player wouldn't ever want to play for.

Posted by: TheCork | December 19, 2009 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Snyder haters (you know who you are) can take some measure of satisfaction from a story in today's Wall Street Journal.

When Six Flags declared bankruptcy, the shareholders lost control of the company to the debt holders. Snyder had put together a package under which he would still be Chairman of the Board as the debt holders took control of the company. Apparently the biggest debt holder balked and it wants to throw Snyder out completely. Not only would he not be Chairman of the Board, he wouldn't even have a seat on the board. The article estimates that Snyder and his investment partners (Cerrato was one) lost about $50 million. As one analyst said, "They lost a bunch of money. It's nothing to brag about."

Good news for Redskins fans? Not at all. He has more time now to run the show:

"A person close to Mr. Snyder said he would 'seriously consider' remaining board chairman if asked, but remains torn on continuing the role. Lately he has been focused on the Redskins, having just replaced his top personnel executive amid a disappointing season."

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Young people need to understand that there are consequences to their words and deeds. Better to keep your mouth shut and do your job until you're done. Then say something if you don't like what's happened. For better or worse it appears ROCK is now history in a REDSKINS uniform. Thanks for the memories RC. It was fun while it lasted wasn't it?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 19, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Lately he has been focused on the Redskins, having just replaced his top personnel executive amid a disappointing season."

Thanks league-source:

That's one way to get back at those unappreciative bondholders. Lucky us.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 19, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Weather Update:

The Palm Beach County Redskin blogga edition.

No snow here people.

I think I'll wash the SUV, mow the lawn, and walk barefoot in shorts through the neighborhood tonight to see the Xmas lights.

I understand many of you might say, "C'mon, Moe, why you rubbing 68 degrees, sunshine, and a light breeze in our face?"

Because I can.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 19, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Moe suffering from too much global warming. Tough.

Up here, we've not only ended climate change, we've reversed it. Silver Spring is changing its name to Silver Glacier.

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

move over for the snowplow

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins are going to get better, they will have to drop the sentimentality when it comes to overpaying players. Remember how Art Monk went out in a salary dispute because he refused to accept his reduced value (then took less from the Jets)?

Rock's been a solid citizen, although he does complain allot about his role. His kick return production has slippped since it's peak, he doesn't return punts and is only an average runner. What are the Redskins supposed to do? Keep him just to be "nice"?

Posted by: Jason10 | December 19, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

You guys gotta be kidding me.Rock has done nothing.Thats part of the problem rock returning kick while every team in the league knows he is no threat.He is not a running back hell he get beat out by a free agent.Team leader i dont see anyone looking up to him for4 what doing nothing.Now london Fletcher thats a leader.Skins need to clean house and rebuild dump portis,cartwright,randle el,trade Moss for draft picks and get some offensive lineman and runnings backs in later rounds.but please dont give me any more Rock we need to keep him rant.Look at all of the Giant cowboys late draft picks that pan out when given playing time .Fred davis,Devin Thomas playing well just get rid of dead weight. GO SKINS 2010

Posted by: tbpetteway1 | December 19, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

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