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Cerrato Discusses Season of 'High Expectations'

With training camp starting Thursday, I figured this would be a good time to check in with Vinny Cerrato on the state of the Skins (being sharp just comes naturally to me). As we all know, owner Daniel Snyder has the final word, but Cerrato has the top football title and the responsibility/pressure that accompanies the gig.

Occasionally, Cerrato has expressed anger about things I've reported. But it's not personal with me -- it's strictly business -- so I sent him a text recently to rap about the upcoming season. Zack Bolno got us together on the phone last week and Cerrato shared his vision of how things should develop.

Throughout our conversation, I got the impression he believes the Skins have the talent to get to the playoffs. After missing out last season for the seventh time during Snyder's 10 seasons directing the franchise, Cerrato said. "Within this building, we have high expectations for ourselves."

Much of his optimism is based on the team's major offseason additions on defense. On Cerrato's recommendation, Snyder approved another free agent shopping spree that included the signing of all-pro defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and the re-signing of cornerback DeAngelo Hall. Washington also brought back veteran guard Derrick Dockery as part of its effort to bolster the offensive line, which was a glaring weakness.

Washington had the No. 4 overall defense in the league last season, but the Skins just didn't produce enough sacks and turnovers. The inability of the defense to make big plays and get off the field late in the season was a big factor in a 1-5 stretch from Nov. 3 through Dec. 14, and an 8-8 record after a 6-2 start. Haynesworth, Hall and defensive end/linebacker Brian Orakpo, Washington's unsigned first-round pick, are expected to have big roles in transforming Greg Blache's steady, successful bunch into a productive big-play group.

"We feel good about the improvements that we made," Cerrato said. "We upgraded the areas that we needed to upgrade with the deficiencies that we had last year with sacks and turnovers."

The Skins had much bigger problems on offense. They produced an average of only 16.6 points, ranking 28th in the 32-team league. Poor pass protection late in the season was another significant factor in the slide. Critics of the heavy investment on defense have said the Skins should have focused more on the offensive line, especially given the unit's age and injury concerns.

Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and guard Randy Thomas are again coming off surgery. Coach Jim Zorn finally persuaded Snyder and Cerrato to release longtime right tackle Jon Jansen, but young tackle Stephon Heyer still is unproven beginning his third season. The Skins are encouraged about the weight loss of tackle Mike Williams (he's reportedly down about 100 pounds or so) and intrigued by guard/tackle Jeremy Bridges, but there still seems to be a lot unsettled with that unit.

Regardless of how things develop across the line, Cerrato expects a significant bump on offense because the coaching staff and players begin their second season in Zorn's modified West Coast scheme. Wide receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly and tight end Fred Davis were expected to provide a boost in Zorn's spread attack, which features many three- and four-receiver sets, but they all had disappointing rookie seasons. Cerrato expressed confidence the trio would "make a huge step from Year 1 to Year 2. They're putting in the time. I've watched them out there with [quarterback Jason Campbell]. They are ready to take the step and we need them to take the step. That's where you have increased the depth over last year because they're much farther along. They understand the offense and they understand what it is to be a pro. ... Their contributions should be much larger."

The Skins acknowledged they attempted to trade for former Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, who was traded to the Chicago Bears. They also inquired about trading up in the draft to select former Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez, whom the New York Jets selected with the fifth overall pick. In April, Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn and Campbell had a closed-door meeting to discuss Campbell's status as the starter, and Campbell has "responded very well, I think, especially on the leadership part," Cerrato said. "He's taken control of getting all these guys out [to Redskins Park] to throw. He calls them all personally. And if they're not here, he calls 'em and gets on 'em. So he's been more vocal. And this is coming from other players. That's what they tell me. The things that he needed to improve on, being more vocal and the leadership stuff, he's doing it. I anticipate Jason having a very good season."

If so, it could be helpful for Zorn, who would appear to be on shaky ground after the struggles on offense and overall collapse in his rookie season as a head coach. Maybe it's just me, but why hire a guy like Zorn, who had never been an NFL coordinator before he briefly filled that job for the Skins, and not give him at least three full seasons before evaluating whether he can actually do the job well? But, Cerrato said, "you kind of evaluate it as you go along. We started out great and I think a lot of things happened. ... But not only do players have a much better feel from Year 1 to Year 2, it's easier for the coaches because Jim has been through it with all these guys for a year. They know the system now. It'll be much easier for everybody this year."

This could be an important season for Cerrato as well. The evaluation of his first draft class hinges on the development of Thomas, Kelly and Davis. He recommended Zorn to Snyder and fully supported the team's partial shift in offensive philosophy. This is his show.

"To me, you learn something every day," Cerrato said. "When you stop learning, you stop growing and you stop developing. When you do that, you have no chance. You learn about the people, you learn about the players, you learn about the weaknesses [and] you learn about what you need to do better. ... If we thought everything was great then we wouldn't have gone out and signed Albert and did those types of things. It helps when you have a clear vision of what needs to be done. We have that."

By Jason Reid  |  July 27, 2009; 11:00 AM ET
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Cerrato landed us Sean, RiP.

I don't hate the man like some of you donks...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | July 27, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I am glad he was albe to talk to Vinny. That is a BIG/Humongous/Gynormous step for the WaPo.

Now for what I really think...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

F Barno and F Vin-Sanity

Posted by: slipperyrichard | July 27, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato is a bozo. 9/10ths of his draft class last year didnt contribute. No team in the league succeeds with that kind of draft.

And no team succeeds when the oline is consistently an afterthought. "Let's spend $100million improving the #4 defense in the NFL. The #28 offense you say? Let's hope the fat guy loses weight."

Makes no sense whatsoever, almost like they have an high profile offensive coach in mind to take over and clean house after this year.

Posted by: divi3 | July 27, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Im glad they got that pic changed from LaCanfora to Reid. I was sick of looking at that round mug. Training camp about to start... this means I have to get cable

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | July 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

IMO overall Cerrato's record in the draft and free agency hasn't been bad. He's far from the best, but far from the worst, as well. We have to recall how few draft choices he's had to exercise, and look at his FA acquisitions along with draft selections. Evaluate them as a group to see whether they address the team's needs.

A lot of it comes down to philosophy. Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli liked to accumulate draft picks and free agents, figuring half of them would wash out anyway. Other top GMs focus on a high percentage of picks making the team. Cerrato doesn't seem to care whether the player comes as a free agent or through the draft, so long as he fills a need.

I also remain unimpressed by Vinny's insistence that he drafts the 'best player available'. It's a meaningless promise, because there are always several candidates of roughly the same quality to pick from, at different positions. He could draft any of three or four and still claim his pick was the best available. Vinny drafts for need, like everybody else.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Reposted, natch.

I thought ESPN was the best judge of pro football relevance. The world obviously revolves around the Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: iH8dallas |

Actually, the Tv sports football world revolves around TO, Brett Favre and Mike Vick. Everything else is secondary to sports TV.

That approach has made NFLN all but unwatchable and almost irrelevant.

One thing I won't waste my time with is a bunch of washed up hacks blah-blahing about those three, will they sign, what did they say, etc. Real News? Who needs it. That involves work, and digging and actual journalism.

follow the same celebrity template TV News and entertainment has foisted on the public, and just watch the money roll in while the viewers dumb down.

Yes, thank you i DO feel better now.

Posted by: TheCork | July 27, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Good post Mayor. Keep it business and things will work out just great.

Posted by: jm220 | July 27, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow, a new approach. Actually talk to the team officials and report what they say.

This site keeps getting better all the time

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

theCork

" ...the Tv sports football world revolves around TO, Brett Favre and Mike Vick. Everything else is secondary to sports TV. That approach has made NFLN all but unwatchable and almost irrelevant."

Sad but true.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"Much of his optimism is based on the team's major offseason additions on defense. On Cerrato's recommendation, Snyder approved another free agent shopping spree that included the signing of all-pro defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and the re-signing of cornerback DeAngelo Hall. Washington also brought back veteran guard Derrick Dockery as part of its effort to bolster the offensive line, which was a glaring weakness. "

What Snyder Approved FA Spending Spree is he talking about?!? All we had was one (ONE) big FA transaction. DHall was a resigning. And we got Dock at an acomadable starter's salary.

I think WaPo is trying to frame Snyder/Cerrato in a certain light that they have been fading from.

Our problems were we had an inefficient offense and a non-TO/Sackless defense. So, to cure the Defense we retained INT catching DHall and got TO producing Haynesworth, along with drafting Sack Happy Orakpo.

We got our offensive weapons last year in the draft. The 3 'Pass Catchers' had 'iffy' rookie seasons, which is historically consistent with 95% of all pass catchers, whether they be busts or future all-pros. This year should be the year atleast 2 out of 3 lights click on for them. We have 4.5 very good starting linman. Who does the WaPo suggest we replace. Chris Sameuls was named in this post. Should we release Sameuls because he had offseason surgery???? Why is Heyer consistenly hated on? Didn't he start most of the season as a Undrafted Rookie FA when we went to the playoffs the year the ST21 died???

DOES NO ONE SEE THE POTENTIAL WE CURRENTLY HINGE ON? WHOSE WITH ME?

Side note - RedDMV - I have a beef with you and your states' constiuents inability to drive on the Highway.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Good post Mayor. Keep it business and things will work out just great."


I'm sorry, but the guts of Mr Reid's post reads like what Jason La Canfora got slammed for: honest observations about the emphasis of free agent defensive players over drafted offensive linemen and depth.

Folks love Da Mayor now, but if sometime on late November he points out why the wheels fell of the redskins bandwagon on route to another 8-8 season, will the love still be there.

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse


And so the Traditional Championship Redskin offseason of Superbowl hopes and dreams ends with a world-class Rhetorical Flourish from The Architect.

Now the season of Reality begins.

On the plus side, Casserly got better as a GM, Vinny can too. I can't speak for the other donks, but I don't HATE Vinny, I just think he and Snyder as a team have been incompetent personnel men. As a Redskin fan, I sincerely hope that will change.

If the terrific trio contribute in a major way, if last years third and fourth round picks actually get on the field and contribute, I will be thrilled.

Question for Jason and/or Cindy:

Will Pt 2 of the interview with Vinny have stuff about whether the Redskins top draft pick and the top Supplemental pick are any closer to signing?

Posted by: TheCork | July 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I also think that Zorn is not on the Hot Seat this year, such as it has been reported......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Side note - RedDMV - I have a beef with you and your states' constiuents inability to drive on the Highway.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Aint no traffic like VA traffic cuz VA traffic stays stopped!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 27, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Broncos start camp this afternoon and they haven't signed either of their first round picks yet.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

On the Communist TV show, Vinny said last week Orakpo's aent's held picks 12, 13, 14, and 17 (or very close to that). So he said the agents are waiting prob waiting on Denver to sign 1st before they get to Orakpo......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

as a loyal, devoted redskins fan its sad to say that the skins will not be successful unless daniel snyder lets the GM be the GM and let the Head Coach be the Head Coach. yes we know he writes the checks but he obviously doesnt know that much about football. Please Daniel, do us all a favor and give Zorn a few years to be the man. I think hes a great coach given his experience and tenure. He will be successful in years to come. And finally address the weakness's of the team... WR and Offensive Line. for redskins nation sake!!

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 27, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I support JLC when he kept it business. It was only when he turned things into more than just business he lost my support.

Posted by: jm220 | July 27, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo's agent is what I meant to say....
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Ha! Aint no traffic like VA traffic cuz VA traffic stays stopped!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 27, 2009 11:44 AM

Yes Yes Yes! a 2 1/2 hour trip took 4 hours! Super duper Slow on 64 and Slow as ish on 95! WTF? When some one is on your as$, you move to the right so they can pass! And on that 3 laned 95, the left lane is the slowest! Me and this other car was driving like we were with JGR (Joe Gibbs Racing) team weaving through all 3 lanes just to keep moving! Aargh! I still feel the tension from that drive! And the baby was up half the time whining! And I can't stop putting exclaimation marks at the end of my sentences! lmao!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

We got our offensive weapons last year in the draft. The 3 'Pass Catchers' had 'iffy' rookie seasons, which is historically consistent with 95% of all pass catchers, whether they be busts or future all-pros.

POSTED BY: 4th Floor

Hate to interrupt your Redskin tub-thumping with facts, but last year's rookie class produced three world class performers in the NFL and 3-4 guys who had much more than "iffy seasons." For your (made up) stat to be accurate, that would mean there were at least 100 rookie receivers playing last year.

And grouping the Redskins trio as "pass catchers" for purposes of your statistical folly is deceiving, too.

They were each SECOND ROUND "pass catchers," where NFL personnel people have a much higher expectation of success than your 1 in 20 stat.

It would be one thing if their issues were merely breaking into a good receiving corps. But last year the issues were two guys who showed up not in pro football shape, and one who couldn't figure out an alarm clock.

They could not beat out the aged warhorse James Thrash or Todd Yoder as a receiver. That's awful.

Will they turn it around? We have one thing we can agree on. We both hope so.

But I won't justify or make excuses for last year when they all flat out stunk.

Posted by: TheCork | July 27, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Folks love Da Mayor now, but if sometime on late November he points out why the wheels fell of the redskins bandwagon on route to another 8-8 season, will the love still be there.

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse


I am with you, some fools will think its JR's fault if the team has bad press.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

4th, Next time you go to Williamsburg, take 301 to 60. It still takes 4 hours but at least you're moving!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Cork - Name them....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this got up here
interview with Colt.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-07-27/qa-redskins-qb-colt-brennan

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I still wonder if one Redskin Hall of Famer had ever been considered for the GM position... would we have went so long without making it to the big Dance.

At least this one Redskin Hall of Famer knew Football and Talent. His expertise was well beyond that of Vinny and Casserly.

His name in case you haven't guessed already is: Bobby Mitchell.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 27, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The Mayor is good with me, I asked for info from the FO and "POOF" info from the FO showed up. I like the fact that he is at least willing to speak or try to speak with FO, it seemed to me that JLAC wasnt even interested in speaking to FO.

I think we will do better than last.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 27, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Vinny needs to go.

He is not well reguarded in the league, has a poor track record and obviously doesn't understand the basic fundmentals of winning football.

You win and lose in the trenches, withe the o-line and d-line. The Redskins won 3 super bowls with 3 different quaterbacks, 3 different running backs and different receivers. The constant, the Hogs. A massive, overpowering group that scared the bejesus out of their opponents.

Look at the Giants and the Patriots, excellent offensive lines. You don't see Brady, the Mannings, Roethlisberger, Warner or even Romo constantly running for their lives or being swarmed under.

If you intend to win, you must focus attention on the line. Get quality players and pay to keep them. Treating the line as an afterthought is suicidal and will again be the teams achillies heal this season.

Grest lines make average skill players look to be outstanding, poor lines make Hall of Famers look inept and get them beat to a pulp.

I hope I'm wrong, but I believe the offense will sputter again this season due to the line issues.

Pray for some of Bugel's old magic.

Posted by: Dragon73 | July 27, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is an f-ing joke. I long for the day he is escorted out of Redskins Park by security...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 27, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Look at the Giants and the Patriots, excellent offensive lines. You don't see Brady, the Mannings, Roethlisberger, Warner or even Romo constantly running for their lives or being swarmed under.

Posted by: Dragon73 | July 27, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Agree for the most part but Pittsburgh is the exception. Their line was horrible and Rothlisberger was running for his life most of the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 27, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

His name in case you haven't guessed already is: Bobby Mitchell.

LarryInClintonMD.


According to his bio, Mitchell felt that JKC and Ol'Fun&Gun screwed him over so he retired, Spurrier gave his jersey to some shrub, as he also did with a bunch of HOFer's jerseys, didnt he get heat for having Wurfell and Mathiews in 9 & 7 respectively?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Why shouldn't the Redskins win the division? Seriously, every team in our division has had turmoil, player turnover, suspensions, etc... and besides hurting our QB's feelings earlier in the year, all the Redskins have done is improve their team.

Question Marks:

1. Philadelphia... They lost their defensive coordinator Jimmy Johnson to cancer & Brian Dawkins the QB of their defense. As proven before, they may run the same defense with their new coordinator, but nothing says he will put his players in the same position JJ did.

2. Cowboys... Lost TO & maybe they won't miss his mouth but they sure will miss his production. Roy Williams is no T.O.

3. Giants... They cut Burress for the gun incident & there is noone that can replace his chemistry with Eli Manning... He won't have that big target he can just expose one on one coverage by lobbing it up when the heat is on. They were an average team without him in the second half.

Provided 3 things happen for the Skins, they can be there:

1. Offensive line starting 5 need to stay reasonably healthy

2. WR's Thomas or Kelly step up & one becomes a legitimate #2 WR

3. Campbell on a contract year, knows it is make or break... he showed very good character when the skins were flirting with Cutler & he definitely earned some extra respect from me as a man, but now he's got to do it on the football field. For once in his college/pro career he didn't have to study a new offense. Do you think Peyton Manning would be Peyton Manning if he had to do this every year? The goal for any player is to react without having to think...

The Redskins can be real special if the defense can produce game changing turnovers... the type that give short fields & score points... Last year it always seemed we'd create a turnover & had to go 80 yards the other way... we need to get more on the other side of the 50 & hopefully our new pass rush will help accomplish this.

I've been reading the cool aid year in & year out, but I really think this team can take a big step forward this year.

Posted by: tony325 | July 27, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

You win and lose in the trenches, withe the o-line and d-line.

Dragon73

Not to nit pick, but Vinny did focus on the d-line this year.

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I asked for info from the FO and "POOF" info from the FO showed up.
Posted by: mhartz1 | July 27, 2009 12:04 PM

See, should have asked for the winning Powerball ticket...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

DOES NO ONE SEE THE POTENTIAL WE CURRENTLY HINGE ON? WHOSE WITH ME?

I'm with you

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Look at the Giants and the Patriots, excellent offensive lines. You don't see Brady, the Mannings, Roethlisberger, Warner or even Romo constantly running for their lives or being swarmed under.Posted by: Dragon73"

Don't mean to interrupt your reverie but o-lines are supposed to protect the passer as well as run-block. The Giants gave up 28 sacks last season, a respectable total but much more than New Orleans, Denver, Indianapolis, or Atlanta. The Pats gave up 48, only one better than Pittsburgh. The Skins allowed 38, which is too many, but anybody who watched will tell you Jason Campbell played a role in that by being cautious. In Jason's defense, he often took off for significant positive yards on third down, far more than most QBs. Of course, QB coaches just hate that, as a rule.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

3. Giants... They cut Burress for the gun incident & there is noone that can replace his chemistry with Eli Manning...

Chemistry? I don't really like Eli or his BBP. I will replace no chemistry.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I never had a problem with JLC's negative comments about the Skins. I don't think Cerrato did either. He could still talk to Ryan O, Keim, etc even after those folks wrote negative comments about him.

The problem I had with JLC is that there was some personal animosity between him and Cerrato that he allowed to get the best of him and got in between him and his job.

Was some of that Cerrato's fault? I'm sure it was, but I can't imagine a beat reporter that allows some personal drama to overtake his professional responsibilities and allow the relationship with the GM of the team he's covering to devolve in to such a mess to the point the beat reporter doesn't even speak to the GM.

There's a pretty obvious reference to that in the second paragraph of the mayor's post.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | July 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This franchise will always be a failure with Vinny and Danny in charge! Even Joe Gibbs couldn't take it anymore...lots of luck!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I remember when there were like 8 posts a day and Jasno would respond to all questions. Pdiddy was always the highest total poster per day with like 2.

Posted by: Gweez | July 27, 2009 9:57 AM |

Gweez, it must have been Hog Heaven back then - not having to skip past any more than 2 steaming piles of talentless_evaluator and brownpants26.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

La Canfornia was long overdue to head out of town. It was embarassing. At the end the only interviews he could get were with disgruntled turdballs like Shawn Springs. And at the price of babbling on and on in the piece about what great guys they were. Yuck!

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

... What Snyder Approved FA Spending Spree is he talking about?!? All we had was one (ONE) big FA transaction. DHall was a resigning. And we got Dock at an acomadable starter's salary. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:36 AM

If you win a Safeway gift certificate for $1000 (more than the dcsweens spend on groceries in a typical week), that promotion might have been billed as "Win a Safeway Spending Spree."

Regardless of whether you fill two shopping carts, or instead simply buy a single $600 tomato, a $250 loaf of bread, and a $150 jar of peanut butter, its still a spending spree.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I just hope Haynesworth,Fletcher,Portis,Moss,Cooley and Hall don't play at all in preseason. Too important to risk injury to these guys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 10:48 AM |

If Portis were to play in a preseason game and had a freak injury to his mouth only rendered him unable to speak, that would definitely be a injury that I would be more than willing to risk.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
If this is what you intend to keep bringing to RI.....then you were the perfect person to take the job.

Well written, fair and discussed the Skins with the top guy instead of the mysterious "sources"

Keep up the good work.

PS. I'm going to have to get used the Mayor moniker; every time I hear the Mayor name I think of The Mayor of FedEx from the Dead Tree Crew.

Posted by: nwoking | July 27, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"...last year's rookie class produced three world class performers [receivers] in the NFL and 3-4 guys who had much more than "iffy seasons."

This was an interesting comment, so I thought I'd see if it was true. 2008 was the weird year when no WRs were drafted in Round One, and I believe ten went in Round Two. There was actually a late first round TE, Dustin Keller, who went ahead of any WR. One of the WRs -- Eddie Royal of Denver -- was significantly ahead of all the others, with 91 catches. DeSean Jackson (62 catches) and Donnie Avery (53 catches) also had good seasons, but of the three, only Royal was IMO within shouting distance of 'world class'. Only one other WR, Jordy Nelson of Green Bay, had as many as 33 catches.

That's not to make excuses for the Skins' picks, just to add some perspective to their performance.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Cork - Name them....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 12:01 PM

I will Right after you name the 100 rookies.

Here's the protocal. YOU made the claim. I challenged your claim. YOU have to back up the claim, or retract it or we get to assume it's fraudulent.. You dont' get to challenge my challenge until you defend yourself.

Posted by: TheCork | July 27, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Sween has pinned me down on a technicality!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Gweez, it must have been Hog Heaven back then - not having to skip past any more than 2 steaming piles of talentless_evaluator and brownpants26.Posted by: MrPink"

Was just wondering: are posters like this trolls, just looking to start something, or sock puppets for regular posters?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I also think that Zorn is not on the Hot Seat this year, such as it has been reported......

Posted by: 4thFloor

I guess tyou do have a sense of humor, 4th,

because if you're serious, you're saying that if the team stinks this year Vinny and dan won't look to replace Zorn with a shiny new Major Name coach, due to...what?...his proven track record...

Posted by: TheCork | July 27, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

of the top 30 NFL WR's last year - 2 were rookies that I remember Eddie Royal (Go Hokies!) and DeSean Jackson (Boo Iggles)

who was the other "world class" rookie WR?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

MrPink = ChRisFinglArrY

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Was just wondering: are posters like this trolls, just looking to start something, or sock puppets for regular posters?


Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 12:55 PM |

More looking to stop something, Mr. SonOfSam000.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Cork - I said 95%. I never said 100 rookies. Percentages are different than counting the amount.

Do I need to go math 101 on you? The only 2 rookie WR who had productive seasons last year were Royal and DJackson.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

That Manhattan DA ain't foolin' around with Plax. The moustached Monopoly dude with the tophat and tux lives there, and he ain't havin' no brothers hangin around sloppy with their concealed weapons..Go To Jail, Go Straight To Jail, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $2 million dollar signing bonus..

Posted by: frak | July 27, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually pretty enthused about the Skins' possibilities this year - primarily because I think Zorn has a good football mind and has a years' experience. From a stability standpoint that should prove to be a huge factor. Last year, when DThomas held out, Zorn flat out said in training camp he didn't see how Thomas was going to contribute much because he missed so much time. Kelly was hurt, and Fred Davis was learning behind Cooley when he wasn't oversleeping. I think all three contribute early and often this year. Dockery will help and why not take a chance on Williams - sounds like, if he's really lost 100 pounds, he's committed to the comeback. But I do view the O line much like the Nats approached their pitching situation the last couple years - get an abundance of retreads and possibilities and hope one or two might provide some value. The O line has to be solid for the three rookies from last year to be effective. I'm giving Vinny a shot. The additions on the D line will help create more turnovers, more stops, better field position- all of which translates hopefully into more points.

Posted by: AsstGM | July 27, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Zeke's top 5 problems with Vinny Cerrato's mgmt approach:
1. Doesn't draft OL. No OL, No O. How does he not comprehend this?
2. Drafting more TE'sthan DL. Why? You need 1 TE, not 4. You do need lots of DL.
3. Constantly bumping up against the cap means much less flexibility
4. Treatment of Jason Campbell this offseason
5. Style over substance (example: wanted Ochocinco when either Housh or Boldin were better and cheaper)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

training camp is about to start... time to be ridiculously optimistic


13-3!!!

Posted by: Buckleycj | July 27, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"But last year the issues were two guys who showed up not in pro football shape, and one who couldn't figure out an alarm clock"

wow....that horse is not only dead, but the bones have since turned to dust, and have blown away.....let it go corky, let it go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is an f-ing joke. I long for the day he is escorted out of Redskins Park by security...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 27, 2009 12:10 PM

Then go out to the Park on Fan Appreciation Day (FAD). He insists on being escorted by armed guards anytime there is a group of ten or more Redskins fans.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm pulling for Vinny this time. I like what we've done. We've got a great D, but we're going for a dominant D. We've got a solid running game and we're putting it on the progress of Campbell and "the young guns" (11,12, 86) to balance out the attack.

I'm predicting more passing TDs on the coattails of a better TO ratio. Good luck Vinny, Danny, and Zorny.....its starting to make sense!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 27, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"But last year the issues were two guys who showed up not in pro football shape, and one who couldn't figure out an alarm clock"

wow....that horse is not only dead, but the bones have since turned to dust, and have blown away.....let it go corky, let it go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 1:18 PM

Beaner--He's in a 10-Step Program of letting go. And he's making some progress. He's dropped Jason Taylor, Durant Brooks, and Justin Tryon from his list of last season's issues. So, we should praise him like we praise Mike Williams.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Sween has pinned me down on a technicality!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 12:54 PM

... and here, the whole time since then, I've been obsessing about the deliciousness possibilities of a $600 tomato. Mmmmmmmmm ... expeeeeeeensive tomaaaaaaaaatos ...

p.s. Actually, I saw thing on PBS last night about the global epidemic of some virus that's crashing bee populations ... maybe the $600 tomato isn't that far away.

p.p.s. So is the idea that Jarmon occupies a roster spot with no expectation that he ever gets on the field for a year? Sounds like the Tryon Plan ... hopefully they can at least get Jarmon playing special teams (then maybe stub his toe or get a hangnail ... so they can park him on the IR list).

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Z - I think this offseason was good for JC17. I think Snyder and/or Vinny needed to light his a$$ on fire and that's what they did for better or for worse. Like Gibbs said last week, it's how you respond because every QB especially in Washington has gone through it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The second half of last year we started to see what happens when you completely neglect your offensive line (Only 1 first or second round O-lineman since 2000) and this year we'll see the hellish conclusion to that strategy. Of course Zorn and Campbell will take the fall so our "braintrust" can chase after a shiny new coach.

We will be mediocre at best as long as Danny has any say in football matters. The sad thing is (a) he will always want to be involved and (b) he's about my age.

Posted by: mcasady | July 27, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

What Snyder Approved FA Spending Spree is he talking about?!? All we had was one (ONE) big FA transaction. DHall was a resigning. And we got Dock at an acomadable starter's salary.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 11:36 AM |

Picky, picky, picky. And on the dude's foist day too! Picky back atch youse with that "acomadable" thang in your post. First off, big $$$ were spent. And secondly, if we have to draw you a picture, look at the Hall deal as a FA signing, since that is what he would have been if he wasn't signed.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see the Mayor and VP on speaking terms.

Will RI turn on JReid?

It depends on if JReid goes bush-league in his criticism/assessments of the team and FO. One can be critical without being unprofessional - something the previous administration lost sight of.

I think Vinny's assessments are fair.

My 2 big beefs:

1) With all the offensive tackles flying around this offseason, we managed to land Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who only counts as half a tackle). Doesn't seem like much for what was clearly a big-need position.

2) Jason Campbell. IMO, Snerrato went full-retard in their outlook on the QB situation and handling JC. Even Vinny's statements about JC being more of an off-the-field vocal leader seem very disingenuos. Seriously, it's going to come down to wins, losses and on-field production and he should just say that. You really think Snerrato was looking at Cutler/Sanchez b/c they thought those guys would do a better job calling people to come to the Park and practice??

Posted by: p1funk | July 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid: "Maybe it's just me, but why hire a guy like Zorn, who had never been an NFL coordinator before he briefly filled that job for the Skins, and not give him at least three full seasons before evaluating whether he can actually do the job well?"

Hear, Hear.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

:More looking to stop something, Mr. SonOfSam000.Posted by: MrPink"

Sock puppet, then.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

... and here, the whole time since then, I've been obsessing about the deliciousness possibilities of a $600 tomato. Mmmmmmmmm ... expeeeeeeensive tomaaaaaaaaatos ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 1:30 PM

Come over here to Onley, Virginia, on the Eastern Shore. Mr. Lawson is growing -- organically -- Brandywine tomatoes that are about the size of duckpin balls. He puts them out on a table in his driveway and sells them for a dollar each, on the honor system. If he would take them to the Dupont Circle Farmers Market, they would be $600 tomatoes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Executive Vice President of Dick Sucking Operations, Vinny Cerrato. Y'all have fun with the Daniel Snyder Fantasy Football Experience. Keep buying his jerseys and enjoy washing down your Johnny Rockets burgers with $9 beer.

Protocologists in the DC area are wetting themselves with all the new patients they'll be getting this fall what with Mr. Snyder a$$ raping all his fans this year!!

Posted by: VeloStrummer | July 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Z - I think this offseason was good for JC17. I think Snyder and/or Vinny needed to light his a$$ on fire and that's what they did for better or for worse. Like Gibbs said last week, it's how you respond because every QB especially in Washington has gone through it....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Campbell had a good year in 2008. Seems lots of people overlook that. What most people miss is that Campbell played 8/16 games vs the top 8 defenses in the league ... and 4 games vs the top 3 defenses. How many did Cutler play vs top 8 defenses? Zero!

All QBs need to grow, Campbell is no different. But there have got to be better ways of helping him (get him a healthy OL ...).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Once dated a girl who had a pair of $600 tomatoes. Worth every penny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Not to accidentally reprise the cops drama from last week, but ....

I SAID to super-size it!

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/20126767/detail.html

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I knew a girl w/ $600 tomatos...

That's $1200 a nite to those of us who failed maths...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 27, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I just want to take issue with some of the posters who wish CP would shut up. I have an issue with some of you. We are constantly gripping about inside information and ripping people a new one when they give politically correct answers like Joe Gibbs, but when CP answers and tells you what he thinks we want him to shut up.
I dont understand it, either you want athletes to speak their mind or dont do interviews at all.
People hate JC because he doesnt show any emotion or answers everything Politically correct but let CP say something whether it is true or just playing a joke everybody jumps over him.
I say give it a break and let CP be CP.
Secondly all you jerks who criticize CP for not playing in practice all year but then you turn around and say if he can make it through the year he could have a decent year. The guy takes some practices off so that he can make it through the season and people rip him a new one, I dont get it. Either you want him to play in the game or practice but make up your minds on what is more important. I could see if he was a slacker in practice and didnt show up on gameday but he does in fact if some of our other players should up like CP on sunday I would cancel practice all week.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"of the top 30 NFL WR's last year - 2 were rookies that I remember Eddie Royal (Go Hokies!) and DeSean Jackson (Boo Iggles)posted by thecork.
who was the other "world class" rookie WR?" posted by noonefromtampa."

Eddie Royal was the only rook WR in the top 30 in catches. DeSean Jackson was 35th. Don Avery was a distant 3rd. They were also the only three that started most of the games.

All fine players, but seriously, world-class? They don't compare with Calvin Johnson of Detroit, who really might have been the best receiver in the league, apologies to Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

ZZ!!!111

stealzin mahz thundaaaazzz!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 27, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Once dated a girl who had a pair of $600 tomatoes. Worth every penny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 1:46 PM |

Once dated a girl who had a pair of $1.50 melons. Worth more that your pennies!

melons > tomatoes

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
They have to deactivate what is it 3 guys for the game-day roster?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

With this offensive line the skins will not put up more than 16 points on average per game. Get real VC!!!!
Hope and pray that the improved defense - wait and see - can hold them to 10 or 13 points.
Ravens superbowl win season redux? Remember Brent Dilfer?

8:8

Posted by: 8andeight | July 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

A pair of sweet tomatoes: $1,200
One ripe cherry: $2,000
The joy of being called Papa for the first time, by a beautiful young child ... in front of a judge: Pricey. Very Very Pricey

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It's not CP, It's not Clinton Portis...

...It's CRISCO!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 27, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Trust me J Reid, the shoes of La CanHater aren't that big to fill. Who could ever forget JLC hammering the Skins for passing on "a BIG WR" like Eddie Royal. Nice to see you pride yourself on accuracy. Just be fair.

Posted by: dcwun | July 27, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Samson,
I checked on nfl.com
by # of recp
#6 - Eddie
#29 - Djack

by yds
#22 - Eddie
#26 - Djack

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

WRs only no TEs

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne1: I don't think most people have a problem with Portis speaking his mind. The problem isn't that he's outspoken or direct. The problem is, though he's a superb and fearless running back, he's pretty immature for a man his age. And his directness reflects badly on him as a result.

As for all the practices he skips to get through the season, seems like Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and Emmitt Smith found a way to get through practice and still play all season. I mean, it's not like he's reporting to the field at game time directly from the hospital where he was in traction a la Riggo...

Posted by: outsider6 | July 27, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Sween - Cerrato said they expect him to be a ST Monster considering his height and weight. All you have to do is go down the field and blow up someone.

I expect him to be on the following formations:

* Punt
* Punt Return
* Kickoffs
* Kick Returns
* Field Goal Block
* Mop up Teams - Defense

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

i love the skins, but let's face it. we'll be lucky to go 8-8 this year with our O-line and other offensive issues. we're still a few years away and another head coach or two. sad :-(

Posted by: sjw1 | July 27, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse


I dont understand it, either you want athletes to speak their mind or dont do interviews at all.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne, I think you are confusing (1) the activity of speaking one's mind with (2) assessing the content of the thing spoken.

Kudos to CP for speaking his mind honestly. It's America, you've got that right, and we appreciate the frankness.

Some of us feel that the things on his mind (while honestly spoken) are also pretty dumb, selfish and immature.

And don't we have the right to say that freely and honestly?


Posted by: p1funk | July 27, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Picky, picky, picky. And on the dude's foist day too! Picky back atch youse with that "acomadable" thang in your post. First off, big $$$ were spent. And secondly, if we have to draw you a picture, look at the Hall deal as a FA signing, since that is what he would have been if he wasn't signed.


Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 1:34 PM

DHall was signed before FA, albeit 30 seconds before it. And Dock fell into our lap, literally.

And how can we say big money was spent? Relative to what? Would you rather the Owner pocket the money instead of spend it?!?!?

Also, JReid has been here long enough to get past all the pomp and circumstance. Training Camp starts this week and my road rage has yet to wear off. It's monday. What more can I say...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Not to accidentally reprise the cops drama from last week, but ....

I SAID to super-size it!

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/20126767/detail.html


Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse


But it wasn't racially motivated...

Posted by: p1funk | July 27, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I just want to take issue with some of the posters who wish CP would shut up. ... when CP answers and tells you what he thinks ...

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 27, 2009 1:51 PM |

If there were suddenly a worldwide M. Night Shyamalan moment and everybody told everyone else exactly what was on their mind, civilization as we know it would cease to exist. Husbands and wives would tell each other how they really felt. Leaders would call policemen "stupid". Etc., etc., etc. What Portis did when he said that he phantasized about how much better he could be with a different OL was totally unaccepatable. It was probably true but all it did was feed his voracious ego and embitter his OL to the point where they quit on him in the 2nd half of 2008.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I married a girl with watermelons (avg cost for 25 yrs about $67,000/yr)

watermelons > melons > tomatoes

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

that's about $184/night

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I understand that CP is not Jim Brown or any other person that you listed but understand that CP is CP. and we can all agree that today's NFL aint the NFL that they played in. The point is we pay CP to play football and that is what he does. We need to stop labeling these guys as role models and other stereotypes that we want to put on them. He may be immature but sadly we dont pay him to be mature or even a leader we pay him to be a running back. Some people want to be leaders others just want to play their position.
I know the argument he makes a lot of money but the fact is some of us on here are buttholes and if someone came along a paid us millions of dollars to keep this blog going the fact remains that most of us would remain highly paid buttholes.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 27, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"I checked on nfl.com
by # of recp
#6 - Eddie
#29 - Djack" noonefromtampa"

Weird -- I'm looking at the NFL.com screen right now and it has Eddie Royal alone at 7 (91 rec) and DeSean Jackson tied at 35th with Maurice Jones-Drew (62 rec).

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

eight and eight,
cant say that I remember Brent Dilfer. Was he any good?

Posted by: Skins281 | July 27, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Where does the Post find its Skins beat reporters? Is it possible to find a single writer who will refrain from the annoying, constant, editorializing that always appears here? Look at this entry, for example -- calling the Redskins' offseason acquisitions part of a "spending spree" is absurd. A spree is defined as "a bout or spell of drinking to intoxication; binge; carousal," or "a period, spell, or bout of indulgence, as of a particular wish, craving, or whim: an eating spree; a spending spree." Calling the Haynesworth acquisition a spree tips the author's hand: he believes that it was a wasteful, indulgent course of action.

I'm not asking the Post to be pro-Redskins, but the elimination of bias would make these articles and blog entries more compelling.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | July 27, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate everyone's patience on allowing me to speak my mind... and I'd like to thank my mind for the nice empty echoy sound!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 27, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the problem is their database awards a separate spot in the event of a tie. By my informal hand count there are 34 receivers who caught more balls than Jackson, and one who caught exactly as many...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

training camp is about to start... time to be ridiculously optimistic

13-3!!!

Posted by: Buckleycj | July 27, 2009 1:17 PM
==========================================

14-2, Mister Pessimist!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | July 27, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

regarding 'spending spree', cali_snowboarder

Actually, the Skins did go on a spending spree. Albert + Hall + Dock -- those are 3 very very large contracts. I think they add up to around 20% of the total payroll. Which, to me, qualifies as a spending spree.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne1: I don't think the NFL has changed so much that we should excuse laziness and lack of effort in any of these players. I think it's fair to expect the same level of effort from Clinton Portis as the Chargers get from Tomlinson or the Vikings get from Peterson. It's not about whether or not someone's a role model, it's about being worth what he's paid. If one of us "buttholes", as you so elegantly put it, where to suddenly receive Portis money we'd have to endure the same level of scrutiny and expectation Portis does. Goes with the paycheck.

I love to watch Clinton Portis play football. He's truly a fierce and tireless competitor. But his attitude Monday through Saturday, by virtue of his place on the team, has a debilitating effect on his team that can extend to Sunday and offset his brilliant play.

You can't separate practice Portis from game Portis... doesn't work that way.

Posted by: outsider6 | July 27, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Everybody wants somebody to slam. Vinny Cerato happens to be one of those people that gets slammed around here. You add Mr. Snyder, The Learners and Stan Kasten to that list also......

Posted by: punchdaclock | July 27, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

cali: "Calling the Haynesworth acquisition a spree tips the author's hand: he believes that it was a wasteful, indulgent course of action."

I don't take that meaning, and I suspect neither does Jason Reid.

Danny moves quick, and often in surprising directions; that's where the term 'spree' fits.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Too many questions/holes to be that optimistic, given the division you are in.

OL Huge question mark.
Linebacker Big question mark.
WR Big question mark.
CB Question mark.
RB Question mark.

I just don't see it ... at least not yet.

Posted by: periculum | July 27, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sock puppet, then.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 1:40 PM |

Marge Simpson: "Everyone's afraid of something."
Homer Simpson: "Not everyone, Marge."
MS: "Oh, yeah. Sock puppets."
HS: "Aaaaah! Where?!"

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tony325 | July 27, 2009 12:13 PM

The comments in your 12:13 post are among the best I've read up here. I see the iggles defense exactly that way. Losing either coach Johnson (best wishes to him) or dawkins would have an impact, since are great leaders and great talents. Losing both of them at the same time ... that's a very big void.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

OL Huge question mark.
Linebacker Big question mark.
WR Big question mark.
CB Question mark.
RB Question mark.

I just don't see it ... at least not yet.

Posted by: periculum | July 27, 2009 2:38 PM |

Very funny pretty boy. The one question mark that should be at the top of the list ain't even there. I'd say it is a question mark for the question marks, wouldn't u?

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

But his attitude Monday through Saturday, by virtue of his place on the team, has a debilitating effect on his team that can extend to Sunday and offset his brilliant play.

Posted by: outsider6 | July 27, 2009 2:34 PM |

Clinton Portis -- There's no I in TEAM, but there is M E.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

4th, I remember that someone was telling me that Sean Taylor used to play every snap (except offense), mneaing all special teams snaps, but looking at your To Do list for Jarmon, now I'm wondering whether he blocked when the Skins were going to an extra point or field goal. Are there any Steams you left off that list?

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

There's no I in TEAM, but there is M E.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 2:47 PM

Just tell THAT to ABC News 7's I-Team. The I Team investigates. [And apparently, the Alexandria police chief just got picked up by the Arlington PD for a DUI on Saturday night.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

slimbo, the FIRST word in that link was "Prediction: ..."

On Vick-to-the-Skins, up here, that's already spilt milk ... over the dam ... and under the bridge ... that we burned.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I think that just about anyone who posted in today would be a better GM than Cerrato, but I think there is some reason for optimism. Vinnie has no vision or knack for his job, but I think what he seems to be trying may work. Blind squirrels do find nuts sometime. Redskins have a very good defense, and a mediocre to poor offense. The line is really bad, Portis is due to hit the wall, the veteran receivers are on their downside, and the young receivers have "Bust" written all over them. Campbell would be fine if he had more to work with.

Rather than focus on upgrading the offensive personel (except for the Cutler/Sanchez debacles) Vinnie is trying to make a very good defense great. For some reason, and I'm not sure what it is, teams can win with great defense and average offense, but not the other way around. He may be able to re-create the Ravens formula for success.

Posted by: jack_mo_99 | July 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Its going to be another sub 0.500 or so year, deal with it, accept it, and keep lining the Danny's pockets while you get suckered into spending your money enabling him...I laugh at your follies..

Posted by: nowhine | July 27, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

slimbo, the FIRST word in that link was "Prediction: ..."

On Vick-to-the-Skins, up here, that's already spilt milk ... over the dam ... and under the bridge ... that we burned.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I was just posting a non biased article. Just interesting when someone outside the area has a certain view.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Samson, I went in by player stats by position selected WR. They do count like the golf standing so if people are tied at #3 the next rank is #5

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Skins did go on a spending spree. Albert + Hall + Dock -- those are 3 very very large contracts. I think they add up to around 20% of the total payroll. Which, to me, qualifies as a spending spree.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 2:33 PM


http://www.adavidmooreorgans.com/pcinoz/Salaries_-_Summary.htm

Dock - 3.2M
DHall - 5.3M
Haynes - 7.0M

Total - 15.5M
Salary Cap 128M

Percentage - 12.11%
===========================

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Losing either coach Johnson (best wishes to him) or dawkins would have an impact, since are great leaders and great talents. Losing both of them at the same time ... that's a very big void. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Isn't McDermott a longtime Philly assistant? With a veteran defense and the same system, I wouldn't count on them faltering. Andy Reid has been using high picks on defense for years, last year being the notable exception. To me, the Iggles vulnerability is in two other areas: the new offensive linemen, and Brian Westbrook's health.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't mean much til the games are played but I checked the ESPN Power Rankings and they initially have the Skins at 20. I think thats 4 or 5 spots too low. But after looking more closely, the SKins play 6 out of 7 worst teams (based on the rankings).

You can never count your W's until the games are played (evidenced by the Rams and Bengals games last year) but I think you can pencil us in for atleast 8/9 wins.

Posted by: saltine182 | July 27, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Steams you left off that list?

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 2:49 PM

FG and Onside Kick

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

6-10. It's just too tight among the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, in that order. For all the talk of the defensive improvement, What was lacking was any drive sustainability on offense. I remember lots of busted third-down plays, when protection up front broke down. There's still that to contend with.

Last year was last year, and it's in the can. I'm optimistic, and looking forward to seeing the Skins play. But I'm not going to be talking playoffs or anything until I see some product.

Posted by: Meepo | July 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Re: Philly - Westbrook isn't expected to begin practicing fully until mid-August....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato is a huge asset to the Giants, Eagles and Cowboys. Firing Cerrato and Zorn and replacing them with Mike Shanahan and a new GM next season would be very bad news for the rest of the NFC East.

Posted by: johnc_80 | July 27, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

slimbo, I'm just blowin smoke ... the Vick-to-the-Skins concept is just easy fodder for some chump trying to fill up his blog based on perceptions, accurate or otherwise (see, e.g., The Cork's blog).

Everybody, its been a long, hot, newsless summer. We've waited long enough. Now is the time. The time is now. Ladies and gentlemen, let me be the FIRST to link ... power rankings:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

4th, for an onside kick team, I'd think they'd want to put the fresh-leg DEs (and every safety, LB, and TE) in there.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

jamming pencils in my eye's......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Question for Everyone....

I consistently hear that that JC will feel much more comfortable with the offense because it is his second year in the same system. Although I don't doubt the logic behind all this, I am not sure this is entirely true.

There are a few reports swirling around that document the skins had only 50 to 60ish pass/offensive plays last year. That doesn't seem like too much to comprehend in a single off-season but I am no football guru by any means. This year Zorn has increased the playbook to around 130+ plays. That is more than double! That also means more learning for JC! So even though JC is in the same "offensive system" for more than a single season, he still has a ton of learning to do. So I guess I am uncertain JC, as well as the rest of the offensive group, are going to be able to MASTER everything from last year's old plays AND this year's new plays...


Am I the only one who is concerned about this issue????

Posted by: Rashad8o4 | July 27, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

6-10. It's just too tight among the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, in that order. For all the talk of the defensive improvement, What was lacking was any drive sustainability on offense. I remember lots of busted third-down plays, when protection up front broke down. There's still that to contend with.

How can you posibly see the Cowboys as a contender?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Dock - 3.2M
DHall - 5.3M
Haynes - 7.0M

Total - 15.5M
Salary Cap 128M

Percentage - 12.11%
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Posted by: 4thFloor

Albert's guaranteed $48million for 4 years, or $12million a year. Forget the exact guarantees for Hall and Dockery, but they average out MUCH higher than your figures.

Are there cap games being played? Sure.

Is the 1st year is less but subsequent years are more?

Overall, I recall Hall+Dockery+Albert essentially being paid around $25million per year over the guaranteed length of their contracts -- roughly 20% of payroll.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

th, Next time you go to Williamsburg, take 301 to 60. It still takes 4 hours but at least you're moving!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 27, 2009 11:57 AM

Better yet, take US 301 south to US 17 south. When you get to Yorktown, take either the Colonial Pkwy to Williamsburg, or a few miles later, take Ft. Eustis Blvd. to I-64 west to Williamsburg.

Either way is quicker than going near Richmond on US 60.

Posted by: tafka | July 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Samson, I went in by player stats by position selected WR. They do count like the golf standing so if people are tied at #3 the next rank is #5Posted by: noonefromtampa"

Yep, and I'm still seeing position 35 on the screen for Jackson. I guess it's a mystery.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 27, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sween - I saw that earlier and refused to click on the link. But, since you posted it, I thought I'd take a looksy. WTF!?!? Philly? After I saw that I immediately closed the window...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

VINNY HOW DOES 6 AND 10 SOUND?NO O LINE NO QB NO GM AND A DREAMER FOR A OWNER.

Posted by: goodeedward | July 27, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

VINNY HOW DOES 6 AND 10 SOUND?NO O LINE NO QB NO GM AND A DREAMER FOR A OWNER.

Posted by: goodeedward | July 27, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

VINNY HOW DOES 6 AND 10 SOUND?NO O LINE NO QB NO GM AND A DREAMER FOR A OWNER.

Posted by: goodeedward | July 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

So I guess I am uncertain JC, as well as the rest of the offensive group, are going to be able to MASTER everything from last year's old plays AND this year's new plays...


Am I the only one who is concerned about this issue????

Posted by: Rashad8o4

Yup

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

VINNY HOW DOES 6 AND 10 SOUND?NO O LINE NO QB NO GM AND A DREAMER FOR A OWNER.

Posted by: goodeedward | July 27, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

After I saw that I immediately closed the window...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 3:20 PM

This is called "power rankings safe behavior". Learn it. Live it. CLOSE the window.

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Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

re Eagles coach Johnson

He was great at the in game defensive calls and adjustments, keeping everything the same helps, but the Eagles will miss his game time management - IMHO

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Now that Matt Millen is out in Detroit, Vinny Cerrato is the worst executive in pro football.

Posted by: chris99 | July 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Mike Vick is officially back in the league. $100 to the first guy who cuts the phone lines to Redskin Park and siphons the gas out of Redskins One.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato has had his ups and downs in my book. Not picking on offensive lineman or two early in the draft will hurt. Could you imagine what kind of season we would be facing if Chris Samuels - God forbid - went down with an injury in training camp like Philip Daniels last year? Vinny whiffed on that one. I like Orkapo, but I wish he would have traded down to get Oher. I like Barnes as a third round pick, but there were still some decent offensive linemen around when he picked Barnes. The latter half of the draft was mostly puzzling to me. I think he made up for it a little by grabbing Jarmin. That was a good move.

As for last year's draft, I think Zorn shares the blame for the lack of production from some of the players. He didn't give Sleepy Davis much of a chance to play and I think he widely regarded Devin Thomas as a decoy. Both of those guys would be further along this season had they gotten more playing time last year. Same is true for some of the others. He has got to find a way to get these young players involved in the game. They might make some mistakes, but as long as they don't make the same mistakes, it will be a good learning experience for them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

So IF Vinny Cerrato has HIGH Expectations and the team FAILs....will HE be taking ANY responsibility for their demise ?!
After all, HE got Danny the players, with that KEEN eye for talent that Danny THINKS Vinny has......at least THAT's what Vinny keeps telling Danny ???!!!

Posted by: Bigrcube | July 27, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | July 27, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | July 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Vick reinstated conditionally per PFT

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Gweez, you know, they're like a narcotic, really. Fortunately, after I got started, I stopped. But not before Clayton got me TOTALLY psyched for this season in sports journalism with this little power rankings teaser ... "Look for our next edition of the offseason rankings just before Week 1." I'm counting the seconds.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

ironically, up til last year, Vinny had done pretty well his draft picks he used, talent-wise. He just didn't keep his draft picks, preferring to trade them away (some of that is on Gibbs, thought the Spaghetti Gang's MO has been to undervalue picks). Plus, he failed to use picks on OL and DL, which has hurt this team a lot.

As of now, the Skins have 12-4 talent ... which becomes 7-9 talent with injuries to the OL. And since OL injuries are the norm ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Sure just subject'em to constant offensive irrationality. That's a proven method certain to get you...what?

Posted by: youmustbejoking1 | July 27, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Marko is going to be the Chris Horton of this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm hopeful that once camp starts, the Mayor can get us an update on the status of Portis' pockets.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 27, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Everybody, its been a long, hot, newsless summer. ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:12 PM |

Has it? Chronologically speaking we are still in eary stages of summer. Where I live, temps have been below average. News-wise there has been Vick, a nonrecurring news phenomenon that has filled up gigabytes of blog space. So all in all, I would say we are doing pretty good.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Vick "conditionally" reinstated. Can sign w/ a team, attend camp, play in 2 preseason games, and then get "fully" reinstated by Week 6.

Posted by: p1funk | July 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Will Cerrato and Snyder ever realize they play in the NFC East - where line play, especially the offensive line, wins past November 1?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | July 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Marko is going to be the Chris Horton of this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 3:43 PM

I'm HOPING that for sure (or, if not Chris Horton, the Marques Colston).

MrPink, it has been a surprisingly Favre-free summer (notwithstanding the attempts by the blogosphere to make it a story ... I think the readership just has Favretigue).

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Now that Matt Millen is out in Detroit, Vinny Cerrato is the worst executive in pro football.

Posted by: chris99 | July 27, 2009 3:33 PM

No chance - the Bengals still have their clown posse lineup running the show there.

Posted by: tafka | July 27, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Jammin Jarmon. Yes, sir!

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

and if not Marko Mitchell, then Roydell Williams ... and if neither of those two, then ANYBODY!

They have not exhausted the possibilities of Lorenzo Alexander as a receiver.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"...I'm thinking Marko is going to be the Chris Horton of this draft..."

My money is on Marko Mitchell and Edwin Williams making the team.

Thing is, who is not going to make the team or what veteran is going to get cut in order for a younger guy to have a roster spot.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Vick story is a media storm that will soon pass.

If he went to the CFL, put his talent on display, he'd have leverage come the next NFL offseason if he dominates.

Now, a team has to think about adding a guy to it's roster who--depending on the nature of the conditional basis--may or may not play as soon as they'd like.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, who is not going to make the team or what veteran is going to get cut in order for a younger guy to have a roster spot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 3:50 PM |

One vet who will be cut for a younger guy is Justin Tryon. And, I don't think that Malcolm Kelly will be on the regular season roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

As long as Cerrato is there; the 'Skins will NEVER win anything. He's Snyder's "YES" Man.

Posted by: cfreeberg | July 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhh, Cerato has "high expectations" for this season. Finally, that should make all the difference after years of low and medium expectations. I feel much better about the Redskins now.

Posted by: buster2 | July 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

te, I wouldn't be surprised to see Smoot being cut, given the Barnes pick, as well as tryon. He's getting up there, and if Barnes/Tryon play well, it wouldn't surprise me at all.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, who is not going to make the team or what veteran is going to get cut in order for a younger guy to have a roster spot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 3:50 PM

Bubble-risking vets will be the same ones as before ... Wynn, Rock Cartwright, maybe add Sellers now that they have so many (3?) FBs on the roster. The journeymen RBs and WRs are facing uphill fights too (Alridge, Dorsey, Roydell W, Shelton, somebody else). Not sure they would carry three TEs again (Yoder now facing bubble pressure b/c of that draft pick guy, TE/FB). Guys who came undrafted always face bubble ... Buzbee, Chris Wilson, Fincher end up on the new bubble list. Maybe this year they actually cut a guy they drafted (Tryon?). Its going to be a tough year to stay healthy on the O-line and at LB, so somebody is going to get stoutmired before the year is out.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree about Smoot being on the bubble list ... not that I don't love the guy, but just b/c he's a media favorite and, even though he was a higher draft pick than Tyron, it feels just wrong enough that I could see the Skins FO doing it.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

One of the paragraphs of Goodell's re-instatement of Vick says:

"In deciding whether to reinstate a player, I have stressed my belief that playing in the NFL is a privilege. It is not an entitlement. Everyone fortunate enough to be part of the league is held to a standard of conduct higher than that generally expected in society and is correspondingly accountable when that standard of conduct is not met."

I wonder if one of the lawyer-type guys up here has an opinion about whether the NFL's "privilge" view is consistent with labor law in this country? Can they really get away with this crap about "higher than generally expected in society?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I am getting excited!!! I really think this year we are going to surprise everyone. Not the usual turnover that we have had lately. We have the same Head Coach, same QB, same Offensive and Defensive Coordinators and assistants, 16 or 17 returning starters from a team that was 8-8 but played a pretty tough schedule against some brutal defenses.
Our schedule is not much easier but i see:

11-5 babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | July 27, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has been praising Tryon's work this off season. Tryon would have to really stumble this preseason to be let go. I think Wynn, Smoot, Yoder are in the hot seats as vets. Also I'm personally watching the RG competition. Let's face it Randy's coming off a major injury and with on the team he might be vulnerable, particularly if Rineheart shows anything.

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

T - minus 64 and counting

No more jibba jabba

we talkin da foozeball now Momma

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Y'all have fun with the Daniel Snyder Fantasy Football Experience. Keep buying his jerseys and enjoy washing down your Johnny Rockets burgers with $9 beer.

Protocologists in the DC area are wetting themselves with all the new patients they'll be getting this fall what with Mr. Snyder a$$ raping all his fans this year!!
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Why and I doing this?
Because I'm Crazy Danny, and I love ya!!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | July 27, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Tryon would have to really stumble this preseason to be let go.

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 4:10 PM |

It wouldn't be the first time that he stumbled in preseason.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

What's with all these first-time posters and their Danny/Vinnie hate? This stuff gets so tiresome. Cork has done it all a thousand times before. And he's done it better.

I'd rather read power rankings. Or laments for Antonio Pierce.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

They will be lucky to win 6 games this next season. Bad team bad bad team.

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | July 27, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't be the first time that he stumbled in preseason.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

Touche

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

training camp is about to start... time to be ridiculously optimistic


13-3!!!

Posted by: Buckleycj | July 27, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse
Sorry to rain on your parade, but let's get realistic. 13-3? Wow, what are you smoking. Remember, JZ preached "getting medium". So I want to bring a reality check to the blog.

12-4 regular season, 3-0 in post-season!

HTTR!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Clayton: "The phones are ringing"
Posted by Mike Florio on July 27, 2009 4:11 PM ET
During Monday's NFL Live on ESPN, John Clayton reported that calls are being made to agent Joel Segal by interested teams.

"The phones are ringing," Clayton said.

Clayton also says that Vick is elated. But we doubt that he's feeling quite so good. Our guess is that he wanted no suspension.

Then again, maybe the possibility of emerging from the process with no suspension will make him feel better about it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Touche

Posted by: TWISI | July 27, 2009 4:20 PM |

D0uche too.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I put the odds that Vick comes to DC at 13/1 what do yall think.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"To me, you learn something every day," Cerrato said.
Vinnie, we know, we know.

Posted by: kls1 | July 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I mean that 12 teams are more likely to take Vick first

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I put the odds that Vick comes to DC at 13/1 what do yall think.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 27, 2009 4:26 PM

For or against? I put the odds of coming to DC at zero. (Those were the same odds I had of Albert Haynesworth coming to DC when free agency began, so what do I know?)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is a joke. A lap dog. He is the "football man" that Danny believes gives the Redskins football credibility. In that, he fails.

At some point, either Jerry Jones or Danny will finally realize that they are not the greatest mind in football. When that happens, with their financial resources and their business savvy, either the Redskins or the Cowboys will move to the top tier of the NFL. Until then, the Skins and Cowboys are expensive, middle of the pack teams, frustrating their fans year after year after year...

And Vinny will never be respected as a football man.

Posted by: AWWNats | July 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The NFC East is going to be fascinating this season.

The iggles have improved the most, potentially. But their best player, perhaps the most dangerous player in football, brian westbrook, is injury prone. mcnabb had a healthy season in '08, but that hasn't been the norm for him. And they've lost their D/C (Johnson) and vet FS (dawkins), the leaders of the defense.

The jints were the most solid team in football last year. Not a weak unit on the team. This year, who are the WRs? Let face it, eli isn't a good enough QB to overcome a lack of WRs. Plus, the have less RB depth -- a bigger deal with less passing threats.

dallas. Gosh, how many question marks are there? Does the team have any heart? Talent abounds, even with TO gone. But ever season, they show that they can underachieve with anyone. Plus, their LT (adams) is in full decline -- not a good thing in the NFC East.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

sign vick

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm hopeful that once camp starts, the Mayor can get us an update on the status of Portis' pockets.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 27, 2009 3:44 PM

Portis has a 12Mil plus cap hit for the next 3 years after this year............

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

find a team and trade portis, cooley and landry for Vick.....make it happen...championship!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Philadelphia... They lost their defensive coordinator Jimmy Johnson to cancer & Brian Dawkins the QB of their defense. As proven before, they may run the same defense with their new coordinator, but nothing says he will put his players in the same position JJ did.
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Keep thinking this... The Eagles are going to be just fine.

Jim Johnson is a big loss as a coach and mentor. However, he and Andy Reid were grooming Sean McDermott to step up for the past few years. They do a pretty good job of getting guys ready to step up too. Steve Spagnolo would have been the Skins head coach last year if Snyder had given him the chance to hire his own staff. Instead, he took guided the Giants defense to near the top of the NFL despite missing some of its best defenders. John Harbaugh took the Ravens deep into the playoffs last year. I wouldn't get too comfortable knowing Johnson is not on the Eagles sideline just yet. Regardless, say a prayer for him. There are independent reports that he is in far worse condition than the Eagles are letting on.

Dawk was a leader in the locker room and on the field. That leadership will be missed, but some will step up. No doubt there. I love the way Dawk plays the game and was sad to see him go, but the Eagles seem to have a knack for letting guys go at the right time. Most of the time the guys they let go fade into obscurity. See Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Jeremiah Trotter (twice) and Jevon Kearse. Trott came back to Philly and was decent for a season or two, but his wheels were gone.

Also, the Eagles run the D from the MLB position, so Bradley is our defensive QB, not Dawk. Like I said, I've got a lot of love for Dawk, but I think the Eagles will be better without him.

I could care less about the Ginas, but their D will be its usual scary self and (as much as it pains me to admit this) Eli has come out of his shell and has shown improvement the past few seasons. Steve Spagnolo may be a bigger loss there.

The Cowpies will make noise, but fall short again because they lack team cohesiveness. Too many egos to stroke with a blowhole for an owner and a punching bag for a coach.

The Skins D looks good on paper, but the offense is built around a QB who knows that team management doesn't really want him there. It's been said many times that defense wins championships, but the Eagles proved back in the Buddy Ryan era that it can't win if your offense can't get the job done. I don't know that signing an overpriced FA DT (no fat guy is worth $100M) and resigning an overrated FA DB to an over-inflated contract were the best uses of your available cap room. Shoring up the O-line and addressing your QB issues should have been a bigger priority. Enjoy the fast start, but get ready for another season that ends in week 17.

Posted by: ChaoticCracker | July 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm back and ready to roll for 2009. Have there been any more Barno imposters on here lately? Rest assured this is the OG Barno here. Been on my usual off season hiatus from the Redskins Insider board but now that training camp is about to begin, I think it's a great time to rejoin the discussion.

First thoughts on this blog entry: Wow, Jason Reid used 1077 words and somehow did not report a single new piece of information. Guess it still beats Jason La Canfora, who when there wasn't any news to report he would simply make the stuff up.

2009 predictions: 11-5 and a division title.

Campbell makes his first pro bowl after a monster year. The phrase "can you believe they almost traded him" is uttered approximately 3 trillion times throughout the course of the season.

Malcolm Kelly shocks the world and becomes reliable number 2 receiver, allowing Randle El to move back to his natural spot in the slot, and freeing up Moss and Cooley from double teams as they both make the pro bowl again.

The D ranks number one overall in the NFL, after posting 50+ sacks.

And, most importantly, home playoff games at Fed Ex....

I cannot wait.

Posted by: Barno1 | July 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not a bad-bad team. If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to winning the AFC East, then why can't the Skins win the NFC East. Have some optimism guys

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

vick had to get a suspension. He knew it was coming and its the best of all world's for him. He gets to resume his career pretty quickly and yet no one can say that Goodell gave him a free pass by not suspending him. He paid a price to society and an additional price to the NFL.

Thing is, there aren't many teams that he'll make better. So is he worth the risk in ticket sales and backlash compared to the benefit he brings?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Bubble currently consists of:

Smoooot
Wynn
Cartwright
Tryon
Buzbee
Jackson/Wilson (I can't see both hanging around. Either or).

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Vincenzo out. Buffoon.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | July 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

You have 12 teams willing to sign him?! Maybe he should get you to be his agent.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 27, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

2009 predictions: 11-5 and a division title.

Campbell makes his first pro bowl after a monster year. The phrase "can you believe they almost traded him" is uttered approximately 3 trillion times throughout the course of the season.

Malcolm Kelly shocks the world and becomes reliable number 2 receiver, allowing Randle El to move back to his natural spot in the slot, and freeing up Moss and Cooley from double teams as they both make the pro bowl again.

The D ranks number one overall in the NFL, after posting 50+ sacks.

And, most importantly, home playoff games at Fed Ex....

I cannot wait.


Posted by: Barno1 | July 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I want to buy you a beer

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

find a team and trade portis, cooley and landry for Vick.....make it happen...championship!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 4:38 PM

Futile. We'd offer portis, cooley, and landry, plus picks, but New Orleans would offer Leigh Torrence and Vick would be a Saint. Saint Michael.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm hopeful that once camp starts, the Mayor can get us an update on the status of Portis' pockets.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 27, 2009 3:44 PM

Portis has a 12Mil plus cap hit for the next 3 years after this year............

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 4:35 PM

I think he's talking about Portis having his pockets straight.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Dedskins high on hope in the age of Snyderputz. This is news?

Posted by: MartinZook | July 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about Vick coming to DC, but I'm guessing he'll come up to NoVa. He and D'Angelo Hall are old pals. I wouldn't put any money any how on the Skins signing Vick.

What sucks is that this Vick Career Tour 2009 probably has to suffice for news until Thursday.

Who is Orakpo's agent? I hope its not Joel Segal ... that guy is Vick's agent and I'm guessing he's going to be busy for a few days with that too.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I mean, if we're still talking about the general jackassery of those ill-informed to think that we're going to sign Vick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

As long as Cerrato, whose only qualification for his job is being friends with Synder, and Synder owns the team, the Skins will blow - these losers will continue to pump out mediocrity - get used to the highest payroll in the league pumping out 8-8 seasons.

Posted by: nyc_restrepo | July 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see Vick reinstated, albeit conditional, everyone deserves a second chance, he's paid his debt to society, and remember he didn't harm any fellow man, woman, or child. Get over it.

I know the Skins probably won't bother with him but I hear his agent's phone is ringing.

Glad to see him reinstated and not having to sit out, and be more contrite than he already is, and be a good teamate and all that other conservative uncle tom blather that our resident oreo Mista Moe was talking about.

Good luck Vick, you can do it!

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If Vick learned something in prison -- that the world gets by just fine without him -- he might turn out to be a nice surprise. He and his little brother were both always such a couple of elitist snobs though, I bet as soon as he puts two good games together, that mouth will run again and it'll be old Vick with a vengeance. Hope he stays far away.

Posted by: kls1 | July 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

72redskin

"....all that other conservative uncle tom blather that our resident oreo Mista Moe was talking about...."


Be careful with the race-baiting, I got the Cambridge Police Department on speed dial.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

I agree with the list and would add one name:


Bubble currently consists of:

Smoot
Wynn
Cartwright
Tryon
Buzbee
Jackson (not Wilson, though)
Sellars (added)


Nothing against M Sellars, but a fullback who only plays fullback doesn't provide the roster versitility an h-back who can play tight end and fullback does.

You can use Yoder/Davis as blocking backs, and play them on the line.

A pure fullback/blocking back is a position of the past.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Thank God some of us in the Redskins Nation have a sobering but realistic outlook on our beloved Burgundy and Gold. Some of know that Vinny is just a front man. He is not given the full authority that a GM has. He is there to give Dan cover for the decisions he makes. Vinny was fired in San Francisco by the great Bill Walsh and no one was knocking down his door to hire him. Charlie Casserly on the other hand was signed by the Houston Texans after his hiring and even did some analyst for CBS after leaving Houston.Dan fired a bonafide GM because he told him the truth...the NFL is not fantasy football,you do not build a team via free agency. Dan does not respect the game,he thinks it's just another business and he can run it like the rest of his business ventures. The Skins will not be winners until the Redskins 1) Stop giving trading draft picks for free agents. 2) Give full authority to a real GM (Bobby Beathard and Charley Casserly came up through the ranks over many years before becoming GM,Dan cannot possibly learn all that he needs to know from the top down to be a solid GM and personnel man) We only have to look 40 miles north to see how a NFL team is supposed to be run. Ozzie Newsome is the best GM in the league and he builds his teams from the line out and the scouts are paid little money because he wants guys willing to pay dues and prove themselves as scouts. The result is a team always in the hunt and always competitive.The Skins are a money making machine but the Lombardi Trophy is the real test of success in the NFL. All you folks who go out every year and buy the new free agents' jerseys, grab those club seats every March after the free agent spree and buy the barbecue at the tailgate party IN THE STADIUM (LOL) are contributing to the madness. I go to one NFC East game every year after having season tickets for a few years because I know a Redskins season is a crap shoot, I support the team but I resent the owners and his arrogance. Why cut Jason after he refused to come to more OTAs than he already agreed to? He is a sure future HOF guy and certainly don't need the $.Disrespectful and stupid. Haynesworth would have given Taylor one on one matchups and alot of sacks. Why cut Shawn Springs instead of giving us the best cornerback tandem in the league? You want to cut somebody for cash? Cut Randy Thomas and Cornelius Griffin. When the Patriots sign you in less than 72 hours you still got game. OK I'm done LOL.

Posted by: tdub2 | July 27, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I hope Orakpo's agent isn't waiting for Moreno to sign with Denver. The Denver Post says they're not even close yet.

Posted by: skinswest | July 27, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

if you are fortunate enough to make it to the NFL, please do not choose any of the following for a hobby

1. drinking and driving
2. smoking weed
3. carry loaded weapons on your person
4. dogfighting
5. cockfighting
6. taking illegal substances
7. selling illegal substances
8. betting on football games
9. using your SO as a sparing partner
10. having children with as many women as possible in the shortest amount of time
11. having sex with her after she says no

any others?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"At least 5 teams made playoffs after missing year before for 13 yrs in row. NFL=you never know.''
-- signoranfl, who is NFL media relations man Michael Signora.

from Peter King's si.com article

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will not be winners until the Redskins 1) Stop giving trading draft picks for free agents.

Posted by: tdub2 | July 27, 2009 5:16 PM

Do you understand football? Can you name a single free agent for whom the Redskins have given or traded a draft pick?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah, and don't let them see you trying to force your jammed door open, cause if a neighbor calls, the Cambridge police will arrest your black azz just like they did Prof.Gates...... while your jiving.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 27, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

why would you trade draft picks for free agents? They're free freaking agents clowny. What part of free don't you understand?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Somebody has no clue how thin the ice is they are standing on when they play these games.

Posted by: youmustbejoking1 | July 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The final thoughts on Danny the Owner

It's his team, he owns it, he can do what he wants

If people don't like the way he runs it, don't go, watch or buy stuff - decrease his revenue

Raise a couple of billion and make him an offer

wait about 40 years and they will have a new owner

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Somebody has no clue how thin the ice is they are standing on when they play these games.

Posted by: youmustbejoking1 | July 27, 2009 5:33 PM

Hey, this is a football blog, not a hockey blog, doofus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

@ the cork

how soon ya think before vinnie's bidding on michael vick?

Posted by: natty-bumppo | July 27, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"I mean, if we're still talking about the general jackassery of those ill-informed to think that we're going to sign Vick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse"

Oh no Beantown just cursed us, now we ARE going to sign Vick. Beantown greg is never right(wrong) with this!

Posted by: chrislarry | July 27, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so Zorn is the reason Jon Jansen will not finish out his career as a Redskin. When Zorn is inevitably replaced next year, that will be the only thing about Zorn I will remember.

Posted by: Reader1000 | July 27, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Danny aren't going to bid on Vick, they might be interested in another DE though, after all with our defense ranked 4th overall, that is the team's top priority.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

any others?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 5:25 PM |

12. Tooling around on I-65 near Nashville in your Ferrari.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I could see Vick going to Jacksonville. Their QB had a down year last year and the depth is a little shaky.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 27, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams is on Redskins Nation right now....says he weighs 342 and his waist size has dropped from 50 to 42.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 27, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I could see Vick going to Jacksonville. Their QB had a down year last year and the depth is a little shaky.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 27, 2009 5:55 PM |

Instead of catching on as a sub in the NFL when you're not ready for prime time, might not it be better to go to the UFL, play in games and excel against street people and then get picked up after the UFL season is over by a NFL team that needs a starting QB because of injury?

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I say, yes the Redskins will make a bid for Vick. You know Dan love big splashes and with the attention Vick bring, it bring more $$ to the Redskins. Plus, isn't it obvious the Skins aren't sold on Jason C.? My prediction, Vick sing a 10 millions dollar contract for one year with the Skins as a backup (replacing Jason C in the 8th week).

You heard it here first.

Posted by: demonj21 | July 27, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the best place for him would be New England, a secure owner, GM, and coach, plus everyone else who has had off the field issues who wound up there, Moss, Corey Dillon etc., thrived in the Belichik no nonsense team first environment.

That would be a scary, scary offense to face: Brady, Moss, Vick, Welker, dam, I wouldn't want to be a DC having to gameplan against that.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 27, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Instead of catching on as a sub in the NFL when you're not ready for prime time, might not it be better to go to the UFL, play in games and excel against street people and then get picked up after the UFL season is over by a NFL team that needs a starting QB because of injury?

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:04 PM

NFL teams will work him out. If he's not ready, he won't get an offer. If he is ready and gets an offer, why piddle around playing against "street people"? What will that prove?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams is on Redskins Nation right now....says he weighs 342 and his waist size has dropped from 50 to 42.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 27, 2009 6:03 PM |

It would be a nice story if the Pillsbury Dough Boy could find success with the Skins. But more importantly, just think of the $$$ he could rake in on weight-reduction products and programs endorsements. Lost over 100 lbs! Waist size went from 50 to 42! On the down side, CNBC just announced that Popeyes Chicken and Biscuits is expected to file for bankruptcy by the end of the week because of sharp fall-off in revenue.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe - Sellers was once a TE AND a H-Back.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree talent-eval, when Vick was in the NFL he made most opposing players look like "street people", so playing against street people accomplishes nothing, and at this point since he's been reinstated, he won't be playing for the UFL, it'll be the NFL where he belongs, as a sub, or potential starter.

UFL, street people, give me a break

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 27, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

On the down side, CNBC just announced that Popeyes Chicken and Biscuits is expected to file for bankruptcy by the end of the week because of sharp fall-off in revenue.

Posted by: MrPink

A world without Popeye's will be thinner and much less enjoyable

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

If he is ready and gets an offer, why piddle around playing against "street people"? What will that prove?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 6:09 PM |

If he catches on in the NFL it almost certainly will be on the bench and unless that team's QB gets injured or screws up he will remain there for the season. If he goes to the UFL and shows that he has his game back then when the UFL season is over, any team that has a QB that is injured or underperforming will be interested in him. Wouldn't you rather have a chance opening up for you across all NFL teams than just one?

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Vick will go back to the NFL because that is where he stands to make the most money. He'll sign a one year deal for the chance to show he still has it and then next season some team will spend big... just hope it is not the Redskins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 27, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Lapdog Cerrato in all his years as a GM with the exception of Terrell Owens has never made any blockbuster drafts and has tried vainly to bolster this lack of effectiveness with free agent signings. I give him some props here but really if Jason Campbell whom in my estimation and apparently Dannyboy's is a second tier QB, is going to stay off his back then they need to think about getting someone substantial on the edges, OT's and bulk up on the G position if they continue to run the ball inside. It appears to anyone posting on this article, even with a shoe sized IQ, that this is the highest priority for this team. What is wrong with Dannyboy and Lapdog Cerrato?

Posted by: Sideswiped | July 27, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you rather have a chance opening up for you across all NFL teams than just one?

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:22 PM |

No. If you get an offer, you take it. A bird in the hand... Playing in the UFL doesn't get you any better shot than you have today, plus you've wasted a lot of time in the UFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

High expectations as opposed to the low and medium expectations of prior years?

-------------------------------------

Cerrato: "We upgraded the areas that we needed to upgrade with the deficiencies that we had last year with sacks and turnovers."

What were the upgrades to change the deficiencies in turnovers?

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Sorry, I think this guy is as dumb as a duck.

Posted by: hz9604 | July 27, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

They started out great last year because they had few or no turnovers. The talent was the same-- mediocre.

My prediction: they will take a talented Orakpo and will turn him into a two way flop rather than either a talented lineman OR a talented linebacker.

Posted by: hz9604 | July 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are playing a 4ht place schedule. They should have a higher winning percentage than either the 2009 Nats or the 2008-9 Wiz.

That said, I sort of agree with demonj21 that the Skins will take a run at Vick. Not only does it sound like The Danny, but a running quarterback is needed with this offensive line. Sonny at age 28 wouldn't be a success with this team - he'd get killed and there is only one long threat receiver.

Possibly 3rd in division - no playoffs.

Posted by: lrmc623 | July 27, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you rather have a chance opening up for you across all NFL teams than just one?

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:22 PM |

No. If you get an offer, you take it. A bird in the hand... Playing in the UFL doesn't get you any better shot than you have today, plus you've wasted a lot of time in the UFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 6:40 PM |

I was addressing the indefinite "you", not the definite doofuses like you that failed elementary probability.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

And I forgot to add Collins to that list, who think will be cut depending on 2 things:

1. Colt's Preseason
2. Vick, Mike

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato: "We upgraded the areas that we needed to upgrade with the deficiencies that we had last year with sacks and turnovers."

What were the upgrades to change the deficiencies in turnovers?

-------------------------------------

Sorry, I think this guy is as dumb as a duck.

Posted by: hz9604

Changing the equation on turnovers? Albert Haynesworth, Brian Orakpo and re-signing Hall, our leading INT guy during his time here. Call out Vinny for his mistakes ... there are plenty. But is this defense likely to get more turnovers? Yes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 27, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Vick will go back to the NFL because that is where he stands to make the most money. He'll sign a one year deal for the chance to show he still has it and then next season some team will spend big... just hope it is not the Redskins.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 27, 2009

Dude, you need to check out the poll on which team wants Vick, don't cry when you
find out 48% of the vote belongs to Redskins fans, including me.

Posted by: abxinc | July 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I for one am happy that Vick is getting a second chance and would have no problem with him being a Skins

Posted by: jm220 | July 27, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I was addressing the indefinite "you", not the definite doofuses like you that failed elementary probability.

Posted by: MrPink | July 27, 2009 6:50 PM

Sir! I beg your pardon. I made an A in elementary probability. It was advanced probability that I failed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Smoot and Wynn are crucial (and tested) insurance policies I would be shocked to see either let go.

That said, I'd like to see Roydell Williams AND Mitchell make the team in case Kelley lands on IR again. (Does anyone remember how much Reche Caldwell helped us?? Here's a hint - we wouldn't have made the playoffs without him as a 2nd WR)

Davis coming along would allow us to pair him up with LBs in a lot of ways in pass coverage - especially out of a 2 TE set, which is why his abilities are a big deal.

He'd be able to slow the blitz AND get behind a LB while providing an "easy" target for JC right up the hash - which is where Witten makes his living.

Thomas and Davis could have a bigger effect on our protection than is commonly talked about. When Thomas steps up, defenses are going to have to be more worried about coverage and think twice about blitzing a LB.

Last year all they had to do was man up on Moss and put a safety over top and blitz away. 10 pts a game.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | July 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

You pessimistic people on this blog make me want to regurgitate in my mouth. I hope we go 12-4 this season and win the East so all these Danny haters can finally shut up. What kind of D-bag expects their team to be mediocre?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

What kind of D-bag expects their team to be mediocre?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 7:29 PM

Um, based on Snyder's past performance, it might be an optimistic d-bag.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Really sign Vick (who by the way is not very good) the Redskins do not run the wildcat offense not to mention there are a lot of dogs in the metro area. Not a good idea.

Posted by: rskinz34 | July 27, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I get hyped up and believe we go into the season every year able to win the Superbowl. We have a Superbowl Defense, if the offense can get one more TD per game we will be dangerous.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, Vick did grow up around dogfighting, like it was normal. Ugly shadow to kick, though. Tough muther for running that kinda op, fer sure..But the Nazis were tough, as are the walleyes on Death Row- not the true measure of a man..

Posted by: frak | July 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow!


I can't believe how many anti skin fans reside on this site...

You may not like Snyder...

You may not like Vinny Cerrato...

But let's be crystal clear...

They have built one of the most talented teams in the league.

That's right guys!

this team got younger and faster in the off season.

This team is deeper than last year

And if Jason has a breakout year.... I want someone to tell me WHO in the NFC is more equipped to reach the NFC championship game?

let's get one more thing straight...

Vinny Cerrato is determined to build this team with a great defense first

I challenge any of you to tell me WHO in the NFC has a better defense.

Some of you guys have had an entire off season to trash my team...

It's time to get excited and let it all play out.

Yes... the offensive line needs an over haul and that will come next year

You can't fix everything in one off season and Vinny focused on Defense and I'm glad he did.

Our 4th ranked defense was worn down and could not get off the field

Now it's time to dominate

skins backer 4 life

Posted by: skinsbacker | July 27, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

So if you grew up in Jeffrey Dahmer's neighborhood would it be excusable to eat people?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Now it's time to dominate

skins backer 4 life

Posted by: skinsbacker | July 27, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse
Preach it brother.....we're coming for the Giants

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

72redskins

"...the Cambridge police will arrest your black azz just like they did Prof.Gates..."

You consistently race-bait while complaining that others are race-obsessed.

Give the race chat a break, bro': ain't nobody trying to hear that noise with redskins' training camp just a few days away.

You're so black: that's great. Here's your cookie.

No: better yet--here's your slice of watermelon. I don't want you to eat anything you folks claim 'real' black people don't eat.

Maybe one day you'll be a man and learn just how and when to talk race, 'cuz now is not the time.

It's football time, 72redskin, shut up all that race noise.

And gitcha popcorn ready!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 27, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"So if you grew up in Jeffrey Dahmer's neighborhood would it be excusable to eat people?"

If you grew up in Papua New Guinea pre-1900, you'd be maoin' on that BBQ like everybody else..

Posted by: frak | July 27, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Chappelle was pretty funny on Actors Studio on Bravo today, talkin' 'bout growing up in DC..."White people have a problem , they go get therapy. Black people don't have that. Black people have liquor stores and weed.." Lessee, I've seen Chappelle, Martin Lawrence, Spike Lee, Jean Claude Van Damme and a fat Marlon Brando up close and personal on the Metro..Me and Martin were laughing about something, probably lit..

Posted by: frak | July 27, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all the complaints from Skins fans.Going into this offseason the biggest concerns were offensive and defensive lines. Danny goes out and gets the BEST defensive tackle in football, while drafting arguably the best pass rusher in college. He also resigns Derrick Dockery and gets Jeremy Bridges, who was part of one of the best running attacks in football. Yet the fans still view us as the East Coast Oakland Raiders. I just don't get it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Okay, no more race stuff...Hopefully Vinny and Danny prove us all wrong and field a championship team-I'd eat the crow-burger for that..

Posted by: frak | July 27, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

er, my bad..

Posted by: frak | July 27, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Yet the fans still view us as the East Coast Oakland Raiders. I just don't get it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 8:17 PM |

I get it. I don't always agree with it, but I get it.

Lemme try to splain it. We are the kings of the offseason. We dominate, every year. Then comes the regular season and we go kerplop. Like you, I hope this year is different, but just looking at past seasons a lot of us are cynical.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

frak, you're rollin' tonight. Lovin' it. You change your meds or what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Fans are the biggest Cynics in the NFL, that's why.

And I am labeled a homer, though I think the 90's (post 92) were the glory years.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 27, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Ihate-it's not just the Skins fans here. Every power rankings has skins 4th in division. Why? On this blog we focus on the improvements year over year, and think that this is a team better than last year. It may well be. But banking on Bridges or Williams is not a sure deal. Also, we don't tend to notice the improvements on other teams as much. Take the Giants: they got a guy back named Osi, plus their full draft. All the people excited about Orakpu would trade 2 Orakpus for that dude. So other teams got better too. While the power rankings have already been harshed on today, and I understand that they have all sorts of biases, it is a bit alarming that 5 out of 5 of the ones I have seen (including individual ESPN ones) have Redskins last in the division. This was not true for Miami last year, for example. Anyway, injuries will decide all, and maybe we will just get luckier than other teams this year. But that is not a lot to hope on.


I don't understand all the complaints from Skins fans.Going into this offseason the biggest concerns were offensive and defensive lines. Danny goes out and gets the BEST defensive tackle in football, while drafting arguably the best pass rusher in college. He also resigns Derrick Dockery and gets Jeremy Bridges, who was part of one of the best running attacks in football. Yet the fans still view us as the East Coast Oakland Raiders. I just don't get it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zornskins2 | July 27, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Lemme try to splain it. We are the kings of the offseason. We dominate, every year. Then comes the regular season and we go kerplop. Like you, I hope this year is different, but just looking at past seasons a lot of us are cynical.

Posted by: talent_evaluator
There is no need to explain, I am not a first year fan of the Redskins or some bandwagoner.I'm a third generation season ticket holder so I am well aware of the Springtime superbowl we win. However our team is competitive, even though we have our slips and falls. Yes there are question marks on offense, but our D is consistently top 10 and has only gotten better. If these new recievers pan out, and Dock,Bridge,Samuels,Rabach and Thomas stay healthy; we are a dangerous team. Yeah Snyder has really f####d up in the past, but I like what he is doing right now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If we are talking about power rankings, those are a load of crap anyway.They are pure guesses as to what the "experts" believe. Which experts had Arizona going to the Superbowl last year? The Skins never get any respect from the people at SI or ESPN. How many of the past 2 or 3 years were the Cowboys "supposed" to reach the Superbowl. It's a joke

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Power rankings blow chunks

ihatedallas, I love your moxy, I am afraid I fall in the realist camp and am taking a hardy "prove it" stance this season....but that don't mean I wont be out there on Sundays screamin, cussin, scrapin and prayin we can't pull out a tight one and sneak into the playoffs!

HAIL!

Posted by: chrislarry | July 27, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The Skins never get any respect from the people at SI or ESPN. How many of the past 2 or 3 years were the Cowboys "supposed" to reach the Superbowl. It's a joke

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 27, 2009 8:55 PM

First off, the Skins haven't done anything to get any respect. They were 8-8 last year, 19th in the league. But they actually got lots of respect last year when they started 6-2. Peter King had them about third in his "fine fifteen" or whatever it was. And that "respect" was the joke.

All the 'Skins need to do is to win on the field and all good things will follow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 27, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

HTTR ready 2get this season started

Posted by: Brion3838 | July 27, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so Zorn is the reason Jon Jansen will not finish out his career as a Redskin. When Zorn is inevitably replaced next year, that will be the only thing about Zorn I will remember.

Posted by: Reader1000 | July 27, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

That is the first I remember seeing Zorn tagged explicitly in a report as the cause, though I think it was pretty clear that was what had happened.

But Reader, you'll remember that as a positive or negative for good olde proverbial Z-man?

And yeah, Zorn deserves three years, but I don't think he'll get them without some paloffs.

Posted by: WorstSeat | July 27, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

This week one matchup between our O-line and the Giants D-line frightens me a little, Osi on one side, Tuck on the other and no slouches in between.Perhaps facing our D-line in practice will help some,but we have no Osi's or Tucks on our roster.We'll be playing a two tightend set alright,so one can stay home and block.

Posted by: mark65 | July 27, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

fyi uh beep-beep like 2 hours ago

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 27, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

What are we going to do about the o-line. No coincidence that both Jason and Clinton's production dropped during the 2nd half of the season when the old o-line became the old, injured o-line.

News flash, NO QUARTERBACK CAN SUCCEED WITH A MEDIOCRE O-LINE!

Posted by: fotoblack1 | July 28, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Larry In Clinton, You're and idiot. You cannot "have went'. Bobby Mitchell, a great player, was a complete waste as a personnel man and was kept around just for history's sake. He cried when passed over, and then bit the hand that fed him so well. Why would you even bring up his name, for what reason, with what achievements do you base this on? He could barely speak english!!! It was atrocious.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | July 28, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

What are we gonna do about the O'Line Problem? (sorry about the O', I'm Irish)

I'll TELL ya what we're gonna do!

Mike Williams, baby! He's down to 175 lbs now and quick as a cat!

He's a serious LOSER, too... Lost nearly 300 lbs since mid May!

Hail!

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | July 28, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Same old Skins since Snyder took over. Couple of splashy signings...very few draft picks to really stock the team...and still left to wonder how they get around the salary cap year after year. But, at the end of the season, nothing except a lot more money in Snyder's pockets as he fleeces fans for every penny he can get. Pretty soon there will be a coin slot in the bathrooms at FedEx!

LOL...my how times have changed when the Caps and the Wiz have better run franchises and better talent in their respective leagues.

Go away Snyder! You've ruined what used to be my favorite franchise and I no longer drink the kool-aid! I even miss games every now and then out of pure apathy, which did not occur for about 25 years straight until I caught on to the Snyder bs!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 28, 2009 3:36 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, kool-aid drinkers, why is this team going to succeed where last years team did not? Our defense was top 4 last year, is it going to be that much better this season? Probably not. Maybe a couple of more sacks and turnovers, which is good, but I doubt we are going to be so defensively dominant as to be capable of winning a super bowl with defense only ala the Ravens.

And, the biggest achilles heel was our offensive line for about the 10th season in a row. I'm sure Dockery and Heyer are going to change this, yeah right. I love all the *if* Samuels, Thomas, Rabach etc...stay healthy we'll be very good. Well, hate to tell you, but this is football and at this stage in their careers it will be nearly impossible for them to be healthy an entire season. Thus, when they get worn down or actually hurt, and it will happen. Our season will slide once again, Zorn will get canned, Cerrato (GM in name only) may get canned also, and Snyder will still be here. Starting all over again!

And, I think Campbell will probably be gone too! Campbell might be capable of some decent things if put in a perfect scenario (the Redskins circus not it), but I don't see him as a franchise quarterback whatsoever. That experiment is over!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 28, 2009 4:18 AM | Report abuse

Ha, Vick might be a good pickup for this team, bc he is from the area and when the jail break begins (no pun intended), at least, he can run around and buy some time in the pocket or make a play himself. Funny, he'll be able to play in games about the same time the offensive line begins to break down. It could work out perfectly!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 28, 2009 4:23 AM | Report abuse

Final comment that has not been brought up that I read.

Ever think the reason the defense wore down was bc the offense/offensive line could not stay on the field long enough to keep our defense fresher???

That to me is where Cerrato's improved deficiency comment does not hold water. Is Haynesworth's heft going to hold up in that scenario??? Guess we'll see.

9-7 no playoffs again!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 28, 2009 4:54 AM | Report abuse

If the D can averge 21 points per game, I really like our chances this year.

Posted by: donsilvester | July 28, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cork, Shut up already. You call yourself a fan and do nothing but rag on the team. What kind of fan are you? Your rant sounds just like that of a Cowpuke fan. I get so tire of people thinking that just because they are "fans" they can say anything they want. You don't know anymore about how next season will play out than any of those TV experts that have "inside" information that you criticize. How about a little optimism for a change. That would be nice. Let's support our team rather than air out all the dirty laundry for the world to see. HAIL!

Posted by: dszvkey | July 28, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

You want to help JC? Take a chance and sign a impact player for the offense Plaxico Burress!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | July 28, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Why cut Jason after he refused to come to more OTAs than he already agreed to? He is a sure future HOF guy and certainly don't need the $.Disrespectful and stupid. Haynesworth would have given Taylor one on one matchups and alot of sacks. Why cut Shawn Springs instead of giving us the best cornerback tandem in the league? You want to cut somebody for cash? Cut Randy Thomas and Cornelius Griffin. When the Patriots sign you in less than 72 hours you still got game. OK I'm done LOL.

Posted by: tdub2 | July 27, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse
tdub2, that was an intersting post you made yesterday. There was a lot of truth in your blog, and I agree with the general conclusions.

But I disagree with your conclusion on JTay and SSpr. Both were under contract for big bucks, and neither was worth that much salary cap. Just because someone else signs them for minimum salary doesn't prove that they were worth $6-8 mill each. The team was correct to release them. And I think AH will make Cornelius Griffin a beast again. We'll have to wait to see if Randy Thomas can physically hold up.

I'm cautiously optimistic that DSnyder has learned some things over the years. He has gone after youth instead of over-the-hill veterans. I would like to have drafted a top-rated OT, but I'm not unhappy with BOrak.

I know it's hard to trust the FO, after all the bs they have tried since DS bot team. But now is the time to see what the new roster can do. So let's drink the kool-aid and cheer the team on. I'm so glad that training camp is ready to begin.

HTTR!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"This week one matchup between our O-line and the Giants D-line frightens me a little, Osi on one side, Tuck on the other and no slouches in between.Perhaps facing our D-line in practice will help some,but we have no Osi's or Tucks on our roster."

Sure we do. Umenyiora's a classic speed rusher, right? Orakpo and Chris Wilson are every bit as fast. Tuck's no more powerful than Albert Haynesworth. It's not the same as game conditions, but it's good practice.

That two tight end set is a good idea, though. The Jints defense is all about the pressure. If you can frustrate that (like Philly did last season), they become vulnerable. You can exploit weaknesses in pass coverage.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 28, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Our defense was top 4 last year, is it going to be that much better this season? Probably not. Maybe a couple of more sacks and turnovers, which is good, but I doubt we are going to be so defensively dominant as to be capable of winning a super bowl with defense only ala the Ravens. posted by rphilli"

Nobody's going to duplicate that Ravens' defense. But Blache showed in Chicago that he's very good at bringing pressure when he has the horses. Last year he didn't have them. Hopefully this year he does.

And we don't have Trent Dilfer at QB, either. For all the ragging around here, Jason Campbell is a good NFL quarterback.

How far we go remains to be seen. I've never been much of a predictor. Who knows where injuries will occur unexpectedly? (as opposed to the o-line, where we expect them.)But I'm not tasting any kool-aid yet.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 28, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of Danny and Vinnie "learning" on my dime.

Posted by: Teeper | July 28, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Not another season of the deadskins. Just make out a check and send it to dan snyder and do something more constructive with your late summer/autumn.

Posted by: atidwell | July 28, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of people whining about "negative" comments about the skins. What part of 8 - 8 don't you get? Losing to the Rams, the Bengals? Missing the playoffs. Get real.

The Redskins are an undisciplined, slightly above average team with a lot of problems, and we pin our hopes to them year in and year out. If you are not too old to have algebra homework, then you probably don't understand why thinking the skins might not go 12 - 4 this season is realistic.

I'll try to explain. What seem like "negative" comments, more often than not are "realistic" comments. When the skins go 8 - 8, it's not cause they "rock" or are "awesome" and plagued by "H8ttrs", it's because they have problems.

Problems that are worth discussing and correcting.

That said, yes, the skins are the greatest team in the universe. But they still F- up too often to tolerate.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | July 28, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree about Sellars. It's kind of like Leno at 11. No one needs it anymore. A good receiving tight end though...

Posted by: ElYeah | July 28, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree about Sellars. It' kind of like Leno at 11. No one needs it anymore.

But a good receiving fullback though...

Posted by: ElYeah | July 28, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

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