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Cerrato: Much Is Given to, Expected of Orakpo

I'm standing on the field in Ashburn with Vinny Cerrato, who is watching newly signed top pick Brian Orakpo work for the first time in camp. Cerrato is happy that Orakpo's contract situation is resolved and the Redskins can move forward with getting their defense set for the season.

"What we tried to address by adding Albert [Haynesworth] and Brian and DeAngelo [Hall] was to improve the weakness that we had last year," Cerrato said. "We were No. 4 overall, but in turnover and sacks we were not that highly rated. That was the area we were trying to improve upon, so I think those guys have a chance to help us in that area."

Orakpo impressed the coaching staff in his limited offseason work. He seemed to learn quickly, which should help the former University of Texas All-American in his transition from a hand-down rushing end into a strong-side linebacker who plays in space in coverage in the NFL.

"He's comfortable, and they [the coaching staff] think he's made an easy transition and he learns it quickly," Cerrato said. "And then in the nickel and the dime, he's going to be rushing a lot. That's his forte.

"And the other thing is that players know first whether a guy can play or not. And they like what they saw from him in minicamp. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't have a real big season, especially rushing next to Albert."

By Jason Reid  |  July 31, 2009; 9:32 AM ET
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Posted by: brownwood26 | July 31, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Vinnie meant rushing next to Albert, literally. I was hoping they would put Orakpo next to Haynesworth and flip Carter to the other side in pass rush situations.

Carter can rush from both sides, but the kid primarily rushed from the RDE spot at college (although he mixed it up a bit).

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | July 31, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall has decided to stay at the hotel with his teammates. He said he wants to provide veteran leadership to them. I believe Randy Thomas has chosen to do so as well.

Very impressive!

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 31, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Thats a good bit of class.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 31, 2009 9:28 AM

I 3rd that!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The D should be very solid this season barring injury.

Lets hope the Offense can make strides.

Looking forward to seeing rookie and Hayneswaerth on that line for years to come.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | July 31, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

They just reported on 980 that even though Zorn is allowing veterans to spend the night(s) at home, DeAngelo Hall has decided to stay at the hotel with his teammates. He said he wants to provide veteran leadership to them. I believe Randy Thomas has chosen to do so as well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 31, 2009 9:25 AM

This is what they are telling their wives. "I'm staying in the dorm with they guys." They're really at their girlfriends' condos. "Here, mama, let me give you some more of that veteran leadership that you like so much."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

jesus;

I heard when Rak is at SLB, Carter is RDE with Daniels in from of Rak for Run stuffing.

Then on passing Carter Switches to LDE and Rak puts his hand down at RDE.

When Vinny was on Skins nation last week, or the week before

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

This is what they are telling their wives. "I'm staying in the dorm with they guys." They're really at their girlfriends' condos. "Here, mama, let me give you some more of that veteran leadership that you like so much."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 9:53 AM


Let's hope not. Considering we've already lost one player to murder in the last couple years, I'd hate for a McNair situation to hit the Skins (no pun intended).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 31, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Got curious about the subject of much discussion and even angst on this blog: Malcolm Kelly's knee. There's not much information on the case itself (that I could find). The knee that is getting the work is the right knee, although Kelly has had some pain in both knees at various times, possibly related to hamstring problems as well.

The most recent surgery was a microfracture procedure. This is a relatively brief (maybe an hour) arthroscopy that seeks to create new cartilage through an unusual method: a number of miniscule fractures that permit seepage of blood and bone marrow that form something called a 'superclot' that in turn produces the cartilage-building cells. It has a much shorter recovery time than conventional knee replacement and that's an attraction for athletes, but their higher-stress occupations mean the possibility of chronic problems like swelling, and a fair number of patients eventually require additional surgery of one type or another.

The superclot is apparently vulnerable, especially during the period after the surgery, so it's normal for docs to take precautions against overstressing the knee (like limited activity vs extended rest). This may be what Kelly's docs are up to; I couldn't find any info on that. This latest intrusion into Kelly's knee was allegedly to clean out some loose particles, a fairly common occurrence.

There's some promise for an alternative procedure that involves stem cells, but that hasn't been fully demonstrated yet.

Microfracture surgery was apparently used very successfully in some cases (Amare Stoudemire) and less successfully in others (Penny Hardaway). Tracy McGrady is recovering from it.

What's the prognosis for Kelly? I wasn't able to find one. As far as predicting the future, I don't know any more than you do.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 31, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, it's the left knee. Now you know why I'm not practicing surgery.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 31, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"I'll be disappointed if he doesn't have a real big season, especially rushing next to Albert."

Doesn't he know rookies can take a few years to develop? I guess this statement can dispel all the "They drafted him for the future" and "They weren't counting on him this year to fill a weakness" arguments that may (hopefully not) come up if he struggles.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 31, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, it's the left knee. Now you know why I'm not practicing surgery.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 31, 2009 9:57 AM

Hospitals have experience with doctors like you. They put a big X with a Sharpie on the patient before he's sedated.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

This headline reads like Orakpo is starring in Spiderman 4.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 31, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I guess this statement can dispel all the "They drafted him for the future" and "They weren't counting on him this year to fill a weakness" arguments that may (hopefully not) come up if he struggles.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 31, 2009 10:02 AM

Fortunately, this is what we like to term "a mute point." You're talking about the Rookie of the Year. No excuses needed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

LOL, CL! Now that you mention it, Danny DOES look like Doc Oc...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 31, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

yes, once again, we have hit upon a point that makes no noise

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 31, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

They (team) said a long time ago they were going to take very miniscule steps with MK12. That was back in May.

They said back then that he'll be limited to one practice a day during training camp to start out...

No News is No News. Be prepared for a big season from #12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

This headline reads like Orakpo is starring in Spiderman 4.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 31, 2009 10:09 AM

Better than that: Superbowls XLIV, XLV, XLVI, ...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

No News is No News. Be prepared for a big season from #12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Big enough that he can change his last name to unodos?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 31, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Big enough that he can change his last name to unodos?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 31, 2009 10:15 AM

LMAO. No. No endzone celebrations with those knees. Doctor's orders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Cl - Orakpo is supposedly a top 10 draft pick, and Snyder/Cerrato have consistently stated they expect those type of players to have imediate impact.....

All other draft pick's bar are set much lower....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

They (team) said a long time ago they were going to take very miniscule steps with MK12. That was back in May.

They said back then that he'll be limited to one practice a day during training camp to start out...

No News is No News. Be prepared for a big season from #12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse


Frankly it's hard to envision a big season from #12 when the team feels the need to limit his practice and encase the dude in bubble wrap.

If we were talking about an intra-mural softball game, I'd feel differently. This is the NFL, and it seems inevitable that someone is going to jam the knee on a tackle and that will be the end of Kelly's season.

Posted by: p1funk | July 31, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Two observations:
1. Vinny is actually talking to the Post reporters now.

2. I can't believe Vinny has a job that would him in a position to talk to Post Reporters.

Posted by: isnadd | July 31, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,
I'm all too familiar with knee injuries. I had microfracture surgery and the psuedo cartilage that formed (think of it as a scab on your cartliage) never really worked. I had another procedure after that with much better results, but that type of surgery is probably not recommended for professional athletes. I believe both Stephen Davis and LaVar Arrington had microfracture surgery on their knees and it kept them going for a few seasons. A lot of the recovery depends on age. Kelly is a young guy so maybe it will all work out okay for him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 31, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

In other NFC East Camp News:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/131/2009/july/31/back-still-bothers-shawn-andrews.html

Shawn Andrews already has hurt his back and Jason Peters has missed 2 practices so far to hamstrings, as opposed to hamsammaches.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

redskinsblogRobert Henson goes down after a play, trainers working on his calf. Hopefully just a cramp.

More twatts

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

This headline reads like Orakpo is starring in Spiderman 4.

Posted by: chrislarry

With great power comes great responsibility.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 31, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

redskinsblogHenson up and walking comfortably to join the end of practice huddle.

Keeping the twatts coming for the homies at work.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"I'll be disappointed if he doesn't have a real big season, especially rushing next to Albert."

Brian Orakpo, NFC Defensive Rookie of the Year?

(yeah, I can see that happening...)

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 31, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Colt Brennan, Safety?

When the offense is working apart from the defense, sometimes they have to recruit one of their own to mimic defenders.

During one drill on Friday, quarterback Colt Brennan donned a yellow rag over his helmet and lined up at strong safety.

Before the ball was snapped, Brennan even approached the line of scrimmage in an apparent effort to blitz.

He was quickly swallowed up by blocker Eddie Williams, though."

So we expect Eddie to become an NFL player while teaching him to block a 3rd string qb psuedo Safety... hmmm

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

One of them there interweb sites (Joe Biden forgot the number) had a reasonably detailed breakdown for evaluating players at the 3-year mark. They factored in draft position in roughly this way:
Picks 1-15: immediate starter (except QB)
picks 15-30: significant minutes in year one, assuming the starting role during the first season.
Picks 30-50: significant minutes in year one, starter at the beginning of season 2.
Picks 50-70: some minutes in year one, starter during season 2.

To me, there are too many variables to make this a consistent rule (some teams draft for need, injuries are a big factor in playing time), but it does provide something to measure one's performance against.

Posted by: daggar | July 31, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"Keeping the twatts coming for the homies at work."


Thanks.

It reminds of an old Snoop song, "..it ain't no funnnnn, if my homies can't have nonnnnne..," although there ain't too many homies I'd share twatts with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 31, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I must say...One of the most well written articles I have ever read from Dan Daly. Prob best article of the day between both papers....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/31/daly-campbell-set-to-graduate-to-the-next-level/

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

10:20 a.m. ET
Some 11-on-11 Action

Dark clouds rolled by and there were a handful of raindrops, but not enough to distract players, coaches, fans...or me.

Here are some quick highlights from the 11-on-11 session:

Colt Brennan's deep pass to Roydell Williams was too far. Williams had to adjust his body and veered out of bounds to try to make the grab.
Big Mike Williams blocked out rookie Jeremy Jarmon, giving Brennan time to get a pass away. Brennan found Marko Mitchell across the middle for a nice gain.
DeAngelo Hall blanketed Antwaan Randle El and pulled him down after a catch for a minimal gain.
Albert Haynesworth was almost pulled off-sides, fooled by Campbell's cadence at the line of scrimmage. At the snap, he got around Derrick Dockery and pressured Campbell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Addressing your weaknesses is a good thing and shows well for the organization.

But one thing my Daddy always told me. He said "Son when you go and get the Big Dogs, You Beddar let them Big Dogs be Big Dogs, Cause a Big Dog's bite ain't nothun' to play with."

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 31, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Reading some of the 11 on 11 reviews from yesterday and today, I've noticed that Campbell and Thomas have combined for several deep passes, particularly on the deep post route. Their offseason session seems to have built a better relationship.

Posted by: TWISI | July 31, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

zeebs

"Then on passing Carter Switches to LDE and Rak puts his hand down at RDE."

An audible to a draw or power play to Carter's side will end this scheme change.

Carter will get smothered if he's run straight at. Think Jason Taylor from late last season.

I'd take Carter off the field, move Haynesworth to LDE, Grif/Golston at tackle, then have Orakpo put his hand on the ground at RDE.

The blocking will slide to Haynesworth's side, thus freeing Orakpo to play one on one on a LT.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 31, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Oh, so I take it from Vinnie's commentary that we will be seeing BOrak primarily as a lineman, not linebacker?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 31, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Scampbell1975

Never been to training camp. Was it a huge deal early in the morning to get there, or can a fella like me just stroll on in at my leisure.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 31, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Carter off the field, move Haynesworth to LDE, Grif/Golston at tackle, then have Orakpo put his hand on the ground at RDE.

The blocking will slide to Haynesworth's side, thus freeing Orakpo to play one on one on a LT.

Posted by: MistaMoe
=========

Haynesworth has played all but a few snaps at RDT and RDE. I wouldn't go messing with a good thing and try moving him.

Hopefully Rak stays behind Daniels in running downs because I can see the Giants running left all day long if Rak is behind Carter on first and second down.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | July 31, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Scampbell1975

Never been to training camp. Was it a huge deal early in the morning to get there, or can a fella like me just stroll on in at my leisure.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 31, 2009 10:52 AM

Sorry man, you're asking the wrong guy, I haven't been to a training camp since I moved out of the area 20 years ago.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Larry;

heard it is quite a log jam trying to park. Small roadway leading in with a couple thousand cars... get their EARLY

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Found this tidbit on cbssports.com


Redskins QB Jason Campbell is checking down to his third and fourth receivers during the non-contact scrimmage.

July 31 10:35 ET

Redskins QB Jason Campbell hit WR Devin Thomas with a deep crossing route but then was picked off on the next play by CB Carlos Rogers. He stepped in front of WR Santana Moss, who was running a deep out.

July 31 10:29 ET

The Redskins are closing out morning practice with a non-contact, 11-on-11 scrimmage.

July 31 10:26 ET

As the rain starts to fall at Redskins Park, LB/DE Brian Orakpo has shifted from working with the linebackers to working with the defensive ends. The hybrid Orakpo is expected to see action at both positions.

July 31 10:07 ET

No rookie dues to be paid by Redskins LB/DE Brian Orakpo. He is comfortably working at LB with the first defense

Posted by: TWISI | July 31, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Carter will get smothered if he's run straight at. Think Jason Taylor from late last season."

Carter was actually a very good run stopper last season. Contrary to what his size says about him, he's actually a more consistent run-stopper than pass-rusher. Several times last season he made crucial stops when offenses attempted to run right at him (specifically, once against BWestbrook and the Eagles on the goal line). In fact, when teams were killing the clock, more often than not, they ran straight at the left sided tandem of Evans and Golston (or whoever else rotated to that side), and were much more successful. The Cowboys and Ravens particularly ran away from Carter and destroyed the Redskins on the ground in the 4th quarter.

"Hopefully Rak stays behind Daniels in running downs because I can see the Giants running left all day long if Rak is behind Carter on first and second down."

You would think the point of having Rak at LB is to boost the run-stopping ability from the LB position. His forte there certainly isn't expected to be in coverage. He's much bigger and much stronger than most LBs. Typically, that translates into a run-stuffer.

Posted by: psps23 | July 31, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Not much happening right now here's some old tweets from this morning:

redskinsblogReed Doughty breaks up a pass in the backfield - Zorn calls it "a great play". Had a couple yesterday too.

redskinsblogColt Brennan to Marko Mitchell - the preseason fan-favorite connection - link up for a nice play.

redskinsblogAlbert Fincher takes the ball away from Cooley for an INT. Not conceding that spot just yet, I guess.

redskinsblogTE Robbie Agnone continues to do solidly when given an opportunity. Might be a guy to watch come preseason.

redskinsblogPush-ups worked! Carlos Rogers picks off a pass.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

redskinsblogPush-ups worked! Carlos Rogers picks off a pass.

Wow Los making an int. I looking for more improvement for Los this year.

Posted by: jm220 | July 31, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

First to welcome Orakpo and say that he should never do anything but rush the passer. No chance that he would be good at anything else, as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

You deem yourself some sort of expert, a so-called "talent evaluator," yet you are obviously unaware that Orakpo is a more than competent baker of Blueberry pies.

Posted by: TheCork | July 31, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Mmmmm Blueberry pies!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Good points psps23

Posted by: TWISI | July 31, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I hate to do it but this is on ESPN.com "rumor"

FREE AGENCY: Momentum builds for Vick to Skins
Michael Vick | Falcons | Interested: Redskins? Patriots? Ravens? Raiders? Saints?
Jason Campbell can't catch a break. At nearly every step this offseason, the Redskins have been linked to another QB, and with comments made recently by Jim Zorn and some other 'Skins coaches, he may have Michael Vick breathing down his neck at some point this season.
An anonymous Redskins coach told Fox 31 in Denver that, "There is definitely a number of us who would love to have him play here. I can tell you I would not mind at all."

While a little bit dismissive, head coach Jim Zorn left the door open in saying before Washington's first training camp practice that they would not be signing Vick "at this juncture." The insinuation here is that the team will have Vick's cell number handy if Campbell struggles to start the 2009 campaign.

Meanwhile, Vick's contention that he was close to signing with a team has been refuted by what a source has told ESPN's John Clayton. Clayton notes that it's likely we won't see a Vick signing until training camps are "well under way".

Posted by: tdogjuwan | July 31, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Kelly was on the field today? 4th

Posted by: jm220 | July 31, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan 2 Marko Mitchell! Sounds good, anyway.

ColtBrennanColtBrennanColtBrennan

woo

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 31, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

You know, for in depth insightful information on the state of the Redskins, you just can't get more authoritative than Vinny Cerrato.

Let's have more from him. We don't need other sources. I mean, he's the architect, the man who has made the team what it is today.

Please, continue the new lovefest between the Post and Redskin's go-to guy. Yes, the defense was the reason why the team was so bad last year. That was the key weakness. It's just a durhn shame it had to drag down that vibrant offense.

Posted by: TheCork | July 31, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Fascinating, Dog1!

I surely do not know what I'd do if I had to watch Ron Mexico on Sundays. Of course, if he was winning, it probably would be 'cheer'...!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 31, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The Redskin Insider is actually enjoyable again!!! It is weird not to read biased bs from a jilted little child though! Kudos to the Post and J Reid!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | July 31, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

10:40 a.m. ET
More 11-on-11 Work

Practice came to an abrupt end, so these 11-on-11 highlights are belated.

Here we go:

Jason Campbell's pass across the middle to Chris Cooley was high, and Cooley was able to get a hand on the ball and tip it into the air. Once. Twice. On the third tip, the ball fell into the outstretched arms of Alfred Fincher, who logged an interception.
Devin Thomas, showing his athleticism, made a remarkable leaping grab after he found an open zone in the secondary.
Santana Moss pulled in a crisp pass from Campbell in front of Kevin Barnes.
Roydell Williams is not getting much of an opportunity to show his skills. Colt Brennan's pass to him in the flat was low and off the mark. Williams had to lean down for the ball, but he could not hang on.
Chase Daniel looked crisper than he did on training camp's first day. He completed consecutive passes to Marko Mitchell, Marques Hagans and Anthony Alridge.
Chris Cooley, trailed by London Fletcher and Chris Horton, beat double coverage across the middle and hauled in a pass.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

For the the Hall bashers, let's remember this. He called out a sack of horse sh*t in Atlanta (Petrino) before he bolted and then went to Oakland for $$$. I don't blame any player for taking as much cash as he can in this league. Oakland's situation is a joke, so you can't judge that. I think Hall will be a pro bowler this season and put to rest any nonsense about being a locker room cancer.

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 31, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The most recent surgery was a microfracture procedure. This is a relatively brief (maybe an hour) arthroscopy that seeks to create new cartilage through an unusual method: a number of miniscule fractures that permit seepage of blood and bone marrow that form something called a 'superclot' that in turn produces the cartilage-building cells. It has a much shorter recovery time than conventional knee replacement and that's an attraction for athletes, but their higher-stress occupations mean the possibility of chronic problems like swelling, and a fair number of patients eventually require additional surgery of one type or another.

POSTED BY SAMSON151


Good stuff, and thanks. You sound like a Doc. Tell me, why does "microfracture" surgery on hoopsters seem to have such a long recovery period? Seems to me these guys lose at least a full year and then some when they have it done.

The big doofus from Ohio State had to stay inactive for a full season, and it appears he still may not be right two years later.

Also, this doesn't sound like a good thing long term for Mr. Kelly.

Posted by: TheCork | July 31, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I know it's practice and all, but is any one just a little concerned about the number of picks Campbell is throwing?

I don't know, maybe the defense is just that good.

Defense should be in the top three, if not number one overall this year.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 31, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting my updates the same way as you JM220 today. From that Twat Finders.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Red;

It is the second day of practice, so no, no one should be concerned.

Campbell was solid with the ball last year, maybe too solid. Sometimes you gotta let it rip which maybe he will do more of this year. If his Int numbers jump, hopefully his passing yards and TD do as well...

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV maybe JC is making a point of trying to take the chances with the ball that some up here have been clamoring for. I'm not concerned he is throwing against Hall, Rodgers and all, and it's only the third practice.

Posted by: TWISI | July 31, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th. Not worried about JC. He proved last year that he knows how to take care of the ball.

Posted by: jm220 | July 31, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

And I see num 1 in run defense this year and Top 5 in Int's. Passing D may give up yards but overall we will be in the top 5 overall.,..

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Hospitals have experience with doctors like you. They put a big X with a Sharpie on the patient before he's sedated.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I had a procedure at a "surgery center" yesterday. After taking off all my bling and valuables and turning over my cash and firstborn to the check-in nurse, another nurse asked about past surgeries and reasons for same.

Among them, I mentioned: "Minor plastic surgery on my left eye due to Bell's Palsy." (Bell's Palsy is a temporary paralysis that can cause problems with one's eyelids and surrounding areas.)

She wrote it down, and then read it back to me: "Minor plastic surgery on my left eye due to Cerebral Palsy."

Love a good doc, but a patient who isn't his own advocate and paying close attention to all things medical is a fool.

Posted by: TheCork | July 31, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Link to good article on b-ball surgeries:

http://knee1.com/news/mainstory.cfm/324

Posted by: Samson151 | July 31, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately, this is what we like to term "a mute point." You're talking about the Rookie of the Year. No excuses needed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

Ys, it's so obvious even a deaf-moot can hear it.

Posted by: TheCork | July 31, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Hall is an okay dude, and will beast out for the skins this year. All those things rich20ssu mentioned about Hall's past is on point. I can't believe people give him flack for calling out Petrino -- dude was a bama for real. He was worse than Nick Saban.

Did I mention I really, really like this defense?

DL: Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Daniels/Orakpo

LB: McIntosh, Fletcher, Orakpo/Wilson

CB: Rogers, Hall, Smoot/Barnes(?)

S: Landry, Horton

I'm hyped!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 31, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskin Insider is actually enjoyable again!!! It is weird not to read biased bs from a jilted little child though! Kudos to the Post and J Reid!"
Posted by: Lacantwrite


Agree totally. LaCantreporta's big issue from my perspective was he was not a good enough writer to not give most of us hamsters what we wanted/needed. How is that for a double negative?

WaPo nummies need to give us news, rumors flashes, lots of it, all the time. If any thread gets over 100 posts other than on game-day someone ain't not gettin' the job done.

That's why personally I like the Twitter thing. Course, I could be wrong.

Posted by: isnadd | July 31, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Red, you better put Horton/Doughty... Reed can ball

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You know, for in depth insightful information on the state of the Redskins, you just can't get more authoritative than Vinny Cerrato.

Let's have more from him. We don't need other sources. I mean, he's the architect, the man who has made the team what it is today.

Please, continue the new lovefest between the Post and Redskin's go-to guy. Yes, the defense was the reason why the team was so bad last year.

Posted by: TheCork | July 31, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse


I know.

I pine for the good old days when JLA had no access, and the posts were 90% snarky personal beefs and 10% info cut-and-pasted from people breaking the real news.

Now THAT was some great blogging.

Posted by: p1funk | July 31, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hearing about and anticipating Orakpo makes me think we haven't had an athlete like that on our Defense since Dexter Manley.

Anyone?

Posted by: isnadd | July 31, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Wrapping Up 11-on-11s

The first-team offense lined up against the first-team defense for a couple of plays. (Alfred Fincher was at strong-side linebacker and Anthony Montgomery was in for Albert Haynesworth, though.)

Here's short recap:

* Jason Campbell threw a quick strike to Antwaan Randle El for a nice gain.
* Ladell Betts took a handoff and rolled right, finding a huge hole opened up by Stephon Heyer and Randy Thomas.
* Malcolm Kelly came in and lined up against DeAngelo Hall. Solid coverage. The pass was on target, but Kelly could not hang on as Hall was right on him.
* Finally, Roydell Williams catches a pass. He caught a quick strike from Campbell and made his way down field. If this were a game, though, he would have been leveled by Alfred Fincher coming across the middle of the field.

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Good points Zeebs and TWISI. I would like to see Campbell take more chances, but at the same time pick and choose his spots wisely.

I think we all should see Campbell improve this year just like he has done every year since he's been in the league.

It'll be nice to see a 'skins QB with 4K in passing yards for a change. Who was the last, Brad Johnson? Hell, that was nearly a decade ago.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 31, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Ladell Betts took a handoff and rolled right, finding a huge hole opened up by Stephon Heyer and Randy Thomas.

That's what I am talking about Heyer.

Posted by: jm220 | July 31, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

* Malcolm Kelly came in and lined up against DeAngelo Hall. Solid coverage. The pass was on target, but Kelly could not hang on as Hall was right on him.

That's a good sign. Means he didn't have any problems with the kneee from yesterday

Posted by: jm220 | July 31, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs, I still have visions of Doughty being flame broiled in passing coverage last season when he played.

I really hope you're right though. The more ballers the better.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 31, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I also think Fincher could turn into a hell of a player.

He was like a rocket shot out of a cannon last year, playing without abandon... so he has the drive and althetics. Now we just gotta increase in football IQ and i see him either making Rak play DE full time or taking over for RM52 if need be...

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Just read Peter King's postcard from Skins training camp. Pretty standard stuff.

Leads off by taking a shot at Snyder and pining for the days of Carlisle. Nothing of note in his observations on players.

Most interesting tidbit is the props he gives to Moby Dick's House of Kebab...gotta agree with him there...

Posted by: p1funk | July 31, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I also think Fincher could turn into a hell of a player.


Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Word. Impressed the heck out of me in last year's preseason game vs. Indy. He looked like the only player on the field really trying to make a roster.

Posted by: p1funk | July 31, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Exactly pfunk

He was just a little too hyper, trying to kill everything that moved... love that mentality but first string running backs will leave your jock if you over commit.

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to hear more about the battle for the #5 CB position. Are Tryon and Westbroke running about neck and neck?

Posted by: McMetal | July 31, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse


Frankly it's hard to envision a big season from #12 when the team feels the need to limit his practice and encase the dude in bubble wrap.

If we were talking about an intra-mural softball game, I'd feel differently. This is the NFL, and it seems inevitable that someone is going to jam the knee on a tackle and that will be the end of Kelly's season.


Posted by: p1funk

What I read was many teams passed on malcom because his knees were/are so messed up. Whta makes the Skins confident they can fix them any better?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 31, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Man some of you just can't soften your h*rd-ons for Janso....after 4 hours you are supposed to talk to a doctor!

He's...enough meta commentary on the dude...it was boring before and quadruple-dull now.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 31, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Fox Sport has the Redskins Dline ranked 6th in the league now. That's pretty respectable...Now if only those rankings translate onto the field...

Posted by: ga8085 | July 31, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Now if we could just get JLC off of NFLN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 31, 2009 7:46 AM

Wow. Really? If you didn't like what he had to say in the RI blog, fine. Open forum...give him he11, which you and many others did. But to want him to lose his new gig because of that? Damn. Dude's trying to feed his baby and pay the mortgage like everyone else.
Way to grind the axe that he was always accused of grinding. Stones/glass houses, maps, like such as, and get off my lawn..

Posted by: 4-12 | July 31, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Vinny just said you can expect to see D. Hall returning punts this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

4-12, you forgot N.I.M.B.Y.

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

McMetal Westbrook is playing saftey now. The other Cb is Doug Dutch and I believe Tryon is ahead of him.

Posted by: TWISI | July 31, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Red, you better put Horton/Doughty... Reed can ball

Posted by: Zeebs | July 31, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Thats questionable. I have no problems with him being a backup but he is not starter material in the league, esp on a D that is this great.
Completely agree on Fincher, that guys motor wont quite. I always like those guys that have to compete every year for any respect they get.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 31, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I just had a similar procedure on both of my knees. I had my ACL replaced last year and during the surgery the harvested cells from the little cartilage I had left, they sent it off to a lab and grew me some brand new cartilage (its called Carticel Implantation). The reason it takes so long to recover from is because of all the stress and pressure that is put on the knee just from everyday life. The new cartilage needs time to harden and become stable, if not it will just grind away and you will have to do it all over again. Its basically like baby bone, not fully developed and soft.

Posted by: murphyz | July 31, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I liked Jasno. Even as the RI guy. Not that he didn't have an axe to grind, but as long as you knew that, it was an ok read. Heck, even funny sometimes.

I do like The Mayor better and CynCyty is better in this format than any.

C'mon tho, it's all about the ThRedskins anyway...

Hail!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 31, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I've heard about Fincher playing well, Chris Wilson doing fine adjusting to linebacker, and Fletcher being engaged in a few plays. I wonder how the other linebackers are doing. McIntosh? Blades? Are they doing anything? How about the rookies?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 31, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinny just said you can expect to see D. Hall returning punts this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 31, 2009 12:01 PM | Report
Bout time, two step shuffle fall down is great possession wise but you need some playmaking capability on punt return. D Hall use to be not good but a great return man at Tech and early in his career.
This goes with a general philosophy we need to employ on offense and be more aggressive, this will help set a tone for the O.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 31, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hail! It’s here! Football season is upon us! Couple good things I have heard thus far…
Zorn had GOOD things to say about #11 and #12; complete 180 from the 1st day last year.
Keep seeing Fincher’s name pop up….agree that he could be a sleeper/stud!
Good to see Orakpo signed so “quickly” – I didn’t really hear of the flurry of signings that were supposed to precede his signing (I could be wrong though), so maybe he was just eager to get going.

Also saw on CSN this morning that they announced the Orakpo signing “As reported by Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network”……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 31, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Just read Peter King's postcard from Skins training camp. Pretty standard stuff.

Posted by: p1funk | July 31, 2009 11:48 AM

I thought there was a lot of new stuff, at least I haven't seen it before on this blog: Sellers (who many up here think will get cut), Barnes, Hunter Smith, Collins v. Colt for backup, Haynesworth/Blache.

He's got big praise for JC, but he always has. When we picked JC he said "He'll turn out to be one of the five best players in this draft." Then he went on to say that we paid to much to get him. I have never been able to reconcile those two sentences.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It's in season. JLa is gone. Like him or hate him, time to move forward....

(Though he is subject to occasional commentary like we talk about Schefter/Mort/Clayton/MTSC/Mot Guy?And Florio).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 31, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: TWISI | July 31, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio on Antonio Pierece:

Though Pierce arguably was an innocent bystander who merely helped his former teammate after Burress accidentally shot himself, authorities seem to believe that Pierce's effort to help Burress get medical attention included an effort to help Burress avoid legal entanglement.

Otherwise, Pierce wouldn't have assumed possession of the gun and taken it to Plaxico's home in New Jersey.

The problem is that Pierce's actions don't cause most people to think he did anything wrong. But the New York law prohibiting possession of a loaded and unlicensed weapon has no exception for a guy who merely picks up a loaded and unlicensed gun and transports it to another location.

Under the letter of that law, Pierce is technically as guilty as Burress.

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Isn't Florio's day job attorney?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 31, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly isn't the only one anxious about his knee. Here's an article from about 6 months ago on some problems that Tom Brady was having.

http://knee1.com/news/mainstory.cfm/334/1

Posted by: Samson151 | July 31, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

McMetal Westbrook is playing saftey now. The other Cb is Doug Dutch and I believe Tryon is ahead of him.

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Wow, when did this happen? Was this even before camp opened?

Kind of an odd move, IMO...I would think they're likely to keep more CB's than safeties this year. Seems like he'd have better odds battling Dutch and Tryon than trying to break ahead of Doughty or Moore.

Then again, if he can play both positions competently, that can only help his chances.

Posted by: McMetal | July 31, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"I'll be dissapointed if he doesn't have a real big season..."

Vinny Cerrato, you are such a prick!

Posted by: BMACattack | July 31, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Signing Orakpo quickly was awesome. He should be a difference maker or at the very least, contribute to the defense.

Additionally, I keep reading posts from "fans" who try to know what NFL personnel are thinking. LOOK guys, let the d coaches coach, let the O coaches coach and see what happens.

You guys who think you know what a player should do is ridiculous. You aren't a coach, a talent evaluater, or a GM. So just sit back, watch, and arm chair quarterback. My bet is none of you ever played in the NFL so NONE of you know what you are talking about.

Just let the games play out and see what happens. Let's see what the Skins can do. Don't prejudge.

That being said...let's go Skins. Let's see if we can improve.

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | July 31, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

am i to understand this story as cerrato talking about team weaknesses, but did not mention the offensive line?? or lack of speedy targets opposite moss?

Posted by: dcjazzman | August 1, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

SUPER post tampa bay area redskin fan. absolutely on time!

Posted by: dcjazzman | August 1, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato ain't got it and never will.

Posted by: hz9604 | August 1, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

thing about weak little pukes like vinnie is, they never even know when they are lying. they are so fear-driven they'll say anything, and defend it out of sheer desperation unrelated to logic, fact or reality...

Posted by: natty-bumppo | August 1, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | August 1, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

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