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Daniels Has Torn Right Biceps (Updated)

Just got off the phone with veteran defensive lineman Phillip Daniels, who was headed to Redskins Park after undergoing an MRI exam to determine the extent of his torn right biceps.

"Yep, just got it, so we have to wait and see what it says, but I feel good," Daniels said. "The doctors told me [Sunday night] I could play with it. I've still got good strength in it. So that's the good thing."

The injury occurred late in Sunday's 20-17 loss to the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium. As Daniels fought off a blocker and attempted to reach out to tackle Carolina running back DeAngelo Williams, "I just felt like something popped," Daniels said. "I just knew I had torn something, so I came to the sideline and sat on the bench. The trainers looked at me and agreed.

"It was just a couple of plays before the game ended. The game was almost over, and it happens. It's kind of a fluky thing to reach out and tackle a guy at the end of the game and have that happen, but we're kind of having stuff like that happen now."

Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels suffered a neck injury on Washington's second play from scrimmage and sat out the remainder of the game. Samuels has informed team officials he expects to return to the lineup soon, a league source said.

"Those things are going to happen," Daniels said. "But the good thing is that both me and Chris are going to be back."

The Redskins persuaded Daniels, in his 14th season, to forgo retirement after he missed all of last season because of a knee injury that occurred on the first day of training camp. Among the NFL's best run-stuffing ends throughout his career, Daniels, who also plays tackle, has been credited with 14 tackles, including seven unassisted. He was credited with three tackles and one quarterback hit Sunday, playing a key role in limiting the Panthers to 248 total yards.

"The doctors are saying I can play with it," Daniels said. "So we just have to get some treatment, get it calmed down and get ready to go."

By Jason Reid  |  October 12, 2009; 9:02 AM ET
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Comments

Let me be the first to say he is done as far as being effective..

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

first?

Posted by: chevychasepowhatans | October 12, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Daniels is down, but not out--maybe.

Thomas is down, but won't be back--but might be.

Samuels is down, but will be back so Campbell doesn't wind up on his so regularly.

Wynn has been cut, but will return to fill the undefined the younger Antonio Dixon could've filled.

Something is wrong in the world when you have to depend so much on guys who are, in football years, so old.

Hail to the redskins?

Naw.

More like Fail to the Geriatrics.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter. With or without him, the Skins will finish the season no better than 6-10. This teams problem is personnel. Thanks again Danny and Vinny. Idiots.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | October 12, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

what will it take for snderatto to go get an offensive linemen that has a little experience? no more fix-a-flat, we need to change a couple tires!

Posted by: micahutt | October 12, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I guess the only question is Daniels with a torn bicep or???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 12, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

NOTE: I like my crow with a dash of salt.

The most obvious reason the redskins lost yesterday is the all round sh!tty offensive line play.

This team needs depth at the tackle spot like David Lettermen needs taste in women.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I would love to see corny zorn now....I know its like cutting off your leg to solve a brain tumor, but I still would enjoy it. Dude is a clown.

I am flabbergasted at how you have w. montgomery and Rhino inactive. The obvious on the fly move would have been to slide Heyer/BMW to LT with the other at RT giving you the chance to slide in a guards who just two weeks ago battled to start. Why do we think players can just magically play at positions they don't play....it cooko for cocco puffs!!!!

And if any mofos come up here defending dt/mk/fd or saying "why don't we throw to them" I am puking.....b/c THEY SUCK!!

Fred Davis doesn't even look like a football player. Suit up any power forward from a ACC squad and line them up they would play better TE....I mean wow.

And DT#11 has to make that catch. That drop was monumental in determining the outcome of the game.

The sad, depressing karmatic reality is that the league mostly sucks this year, and alll the "win ugly, hang around, see what happens for wildcard" posters are actually right....the problem is the Skins are one of the suckiest teams and are ill-positioned to actually take advantage and feast on the scraps. I mean our schedule is/was a wetdream for even a half-decent squad.

Just a giant UGH.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I think the WaPost should do a poll on who is most responsible for the current problems with this team: Zorn, Cerrato or Snyder?

Posted by: cannontl | October 12, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The lack of depth on this team is scary.

Considering how the starters aren't anything to write home about in the first place...

When you determine the main weakness on your team is the offensive line:

you sign a mediocre guard = little/no improvement

sign a former 1st round pick that was out of the league = already switched positions

plug in a UDFA = career backup at best

AND spend over 150 mil (2 players) and a 1st round draft pick on a defense that kept you in ball games all year.

Stunning. Absolutely stunning.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see what happens when the schedule gets tough.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

How many times have we seen that over the last 15 years. D hands the O 14 pts and they have the team on the ropes and can't deliver the KO punch. It's comical how predictable they are. I never felt we would that game at any point, I just kept waiting for something to go wrong and it did. It is a culture of losing just like in Detroit and how Cincy use to be. Washington is just now one of those franchises except our owner will continue to waste his money.

Posted by: forever8-8 | October 12, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't think he can be effective playing with a torn bicep, and he will only run the risk of making it worse. According to the land of Google, the injury sometimes requires surgery to repair and anyone having a bicep tear should discontinue working with weights on that arm. The team should just place him on injured reserve. To replace him, the team should plug Orakpo in that spot and put HB Blades in Orakpo's slot at linebacker with Wilson as a backup. Orakpo stinks in pass coverage and clearly is most comfortable in that down lineman role. He might get knocked back on some running plays but he has the ability to separate himself from blockers quickly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Who would/could come here to win with the misfits that are currently on the roster? Seriously, they have assembled the cast of characters that seem to be concerned more about personal stats than team goals. A coach coming here has to know that he will be hamstrung by this and he'll be on a short leash regardless of the fact he has little talent to work with. Zorn isn't the one missing the tackles, catches, or not hitting the holes. I doubt he called a stretch run in their endzone, but CP probably took it that way instead of running north south. He was hired to be a coordinator first, then at the last minute, he's the HC. JC has had 5 years, why not give Zorn more time?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The following is a previously unreleased transcript of an interview with Vincenzo the Great as he was making his way to the VIP parking area at FedEx:

Cerrato: You want answers?
Reporter: I think I'm entitled to them.
Cerrato: You want answers?
Reporter: I want the truth!
Cerrato: You can't handle the truth! You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me in that front office. You need me in that front office. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the NFL franchise we provide, then questions the manner in which we provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up uniform and run a post. Either way, I don't give a d..n what you think you're entitled to!
Reporter: Did you purposely ignore the need for shoring up the offensive line and acquiring a game-breaking receiver in the draft?
Cerrato: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
Reporter: Did you ignore the vital needs of this team when you had the chance to make it better?
Cerrato: You're g...m right I did!!

At this point, FedEx security apprehended the reporter. The last anybody heard, he was headed for a little respite on the south coast of Cuba.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 12, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Vinny is in need of a "Code Red"

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The only possible positive to come out of this season will be if cerrato is finally fired.

Posted by: WrongDog | October 12, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Theismann has it right: The play on the field isn't the fault of management. From Zorn's wasting timeouts to his boneheaded call near the goaline, and the total ineptitude on offense. The inability to break the 20 point barrier all season long.

So Vinny may suck, and he should probably go, but Zorn is just Spurrier 2.0. He's clueless, and is apparently running an offense that isn't fit to be used by DeMatha High School, let alone an NFL team.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

yoder

"The lack of depth on this team is scary."

That's what happens when you construct an NBA-style roster where a couple of guys make a bundle, and there's no money for quality reserves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Here is the current response to the Washington Times Poll:

Who is the most to blame for the Redskins' struggles this season?

Thanks for your vote.

Response Percent Votes
Team owner Daniel Snyder 41% 431 votes
Vinny Cerrato 39% 413 votes
Jim Zorn 7% 81 votes
Jason Campbell 10% 115 votes
Someone else 0% 7 votes

1047 total votes

Posted by: cannontl | October 12, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Might as well get some of the younger guys more experience in my opinion. Hopefully even if Daniels tries to play, Jarmon will get more playing time.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's the thing it's not that JZ can't be a good HC. It's that the he has too many responsibilities on the offense. Not only that, his top assistants (Sherm Smith, Stump) have no experience in this offense and are developing as well. Other successful first year coaches bring in guys with tons of experience as coordinators. That's what I think is missing on that side of the ball. the experience in this offense to run it effectively. JZ is making too many inexperience gaffes in play calling (running out of the I-formation backed in the end zone has been lamblasted by Sonny, Sam Huff, Doc Walker, Joey T as just a horrible decision) If the FO wants to retain JZ (doubtful) then some re-assignments in responsibilities will need to be made.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Reporter: Did you ignore the vital needs of this team when you had the chance to make it better?
Cerrato: You're g...m right I did!!

At this point, FedEx security apprehended the reporter. The last anybody heard, he was headed for a little respite on the south coast of Cuba.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 12, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse
___________________

Well played....

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

There is an ESPN article saying that Shannahan might already have a secret deal with the Redskins. It's an insider article though, don't have a subscription.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

mrreadskin21

"The play on the field isn't the fault of management. From Zorn's wasting timeouts to his boneheaded call near the goaline,..."

But didn't the management hire him to do what he is obviously unqualified to do?

Zorn's list of game time mismanagement (the challenge that burned the last time out, for example) is as long as the excuses used to be for why Jason Campbell played poorly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The way young players get better is they get to play, they make their mistakes and they learn. You have to let them play even though their mistakes are painful. You have to have confidence that your coaching will prevail and they will get better. If you give them the playing time and they don't develop, then you let them go. The Redskins finally let Rhinehart start and then they bench him after one full game. No, they don't just bench him: they make him inactive... That's not the way to develop players. The same is true with the receivers. Guys are going to drop balls and the only way to get them to stop is to coach them out of it, let them get over game day jitters, and have faith in them. DT's dropped ball yesterday was an example. No one is going to point to the 3 catches he did have and say that is an improvement on how he has played. Keep the guy playing and keep giving him his chances. Clearly he is a gifted athlete. The big play is coming. The same is true with FD and MK. Fred Davis caught some balls yesterday that were short of the third down marker, but he ran the routes as he was coached to do.

Conversely, Orakpo at linebacker is square peg in round hole. The guy got burned bad yesterday by Carolina's tight end, who is nothing special. It is time to keep Orakpo at defensive end with his hand in the dirt: no more hybrid player nonsense for him. Now is a good time to make this move because Daniels is most likely headed to the injured reserve. I still think Wilson can be a good backup on the strong side and I think Blades should be awarded the starting role permanently. Henson needs to be the primary backup in the middle. The team should sign another linebacker to give them more depth. Alfred Fincher is still unemployed and he was with the team most of last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

From PFT

Snyder, who had dinner Saturday night with two-time former coach Joe Gibbs, surely is plotting his next move. If the hiring of "consultant" Sherm Lewis, the tape applied to the mouth of defensive coordinator Greg Blache (who is expected to be the interim head coach), and ongoing rumors of a run at Mike Shanahan weren't enough, dropping a game that the 'Skins should have won completely erases the "if" regarding Jim Zorn's terminaton and makes the "when" a matter of either "right now" or in two weeks, when the team's bye commences.

Posted by: will_ga | October 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think he can't be a good HC, AND he has to many responsibilities AND he does not have quality assistants...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Denver has turned things around nicely since Shannahan was shown the door...Lets hire him!!

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Zorn trying to throw the OLine under the bus....

Don't buy it.

It's the playcalling and the bad choice of On the Field personnel.

Also, I heard that Rhino was a late scratch due to an injury, not because of poor play.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

3 in conference losses already, staring up at our entire division, and oh yeah, we're were 2-2 against 4 of the worst teams in the league. The season is over folks, forgetaboutit. Even if we don't can Zorn and stay medium the best hope is maybe 6-10. More likely 5-11 assuming wins against he Chiefs and Raiders. This team is just awful, Carolina had the worst rush defense in the league Portis got 57 yards on 19 carries. The offense had 190 yards and 3 points if it wasn't for the defense. Yes the problem is personnel, but Zorn is also making plenty of stupid decisions that just make it worse. How do you run a stretch play behind Batiste at Peppers from your own 3? How do you have Montgomery and Rhino inactive so that if a tackle goes down you have no choice but to put in Batiste? How does Yoder not get on the field to help the line and allow Cooley (your second best offensive weapon) to go out in patterns? Why do teams like the Colts line up their dynamic TE (Dallas Clark) all over the field but one injury and we decide Cooley is just going to block the rest of the day? How does our genius of a special teams coach not know the rule and not tell players to get the heck away from a guy making a fair catch? If Dhall knows the rule shouldn't everybody? (although it happened in the Sunday Night game too)

The problems with this team are deep and plentiful, but the coaching has been atrocious and needs to change, along with the personnel guy. Hopefully Snyder can see the 10 pick 2007 draft class for what it is, an epic failure by Vinny and is finally ready to hand over control to a real football guy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

JC still baffles me with his wasting of Time outs...you never see that guy do anything unless he is fully comfortable and ready. You watch guys like Favre, Palmer, Brees, McNabb, etc. who take crap plays at times and make miracles happen or at the very least, they can throw past 10 yards when the down is 3rd and 12...DT11 should have caught that long ball, though. You look at Carolina... they needed a spark and got a pretty good return to give them added spark, our ST does not do that...DT11 for kick off returns would be nice to see/ hell Harvin returns kicks as do other high draft picks??

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

Exactly. Which is beyond stupid to do in a sport like football.

Zorn might turn out to be a good coach, but this team needs a culture change from the top down. Since Snyder is here for the long haul, it starts with Vinny.

Once a GM is hired that doesn't allow Snyder to choose/overpay/get chummy with players, things will start to change for the better.

I like to repeat this obvious rant, because it gives me hope every now and then.

Sorry for the redundancy.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"but Zorn is also making plenty of stupid decisions that just make it worse. How do you run a stretch play behind Batiste at Peppers from your own 3?"

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 9:51 AM

I know right...that baffled me, but once again, I think Sellers blew his block, dumb call or not, he blew a block...when you are that big, you should not be tossed around by anyone...OH YEAH HE JUST GOT PAID!

Fat Al had a great game, but man he looks awful flopping around on the ground out of wind...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

There is an ESPN article saying that Shannahan might already have a secret deal with the Redskins. It's an insider article though, don't have a subscription.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Can't find it, link it, I have insider, I'll post here if you'll link it

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Redundancy...we are on the WAPO site arent we, it is expected...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Was Yoder active? I thought he was a decent blocker? Why not have him & Cooley in there and let 47 run routes instead of watching Davis have his "career" day of 3 catches for 23 yards?

Posted by: will_ga | October 12, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Why is Randle El still returning punts?
Why is Cartright still returning kicks?
Why is Portis still taking all the snaps?
Why hasn't Marko Mitchell played yet?
Why haven't we signed a better tackle?
Why do we still run on every first down?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"bad choice of On the Field personnel."

This was huge to me yesterday, while I disagree 4th that Oline wasn't a problem. To have W. Montgomery inactive was ridiculous.

Also can we get a confirmation on Rhino? I have heard both injury/play were the reason for inactive. Either way having Montgomery inactive was dumb.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

This is in the Insider Rumor section:

NFL Insider Len Pasquarelli had word this past week that enriched the case for Mike Shanahan taking over as head coach of the Washington Redskins for 2010, given that he and Redskins VP Vinny Cerrato have a good relationship based upon their time together with the San Francisco 49ers in the early 1990's.

Yesterday, John Czarnecki of FOXSports.com put forth a report that Snyder had already offered Shanahan the job twice: once this past offseason and once already during the regular season.

With Shanahan pegged as the likely long-term candidate, we next look to who might be the short-term interim coach should a Jim Zorn firing occur before the end of the season. Jason La Canfora of NFL.com posits that special teams coach Danny Smith and secondary coach Jerry Gray are the leading candidates to fill in. Moreover, a change could be made by the Skins' Week Eight bye.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
But there is nothing about a secret Shanahan deal

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

This from Mosely the NFC East Blogga:


It looked like the Redskins were headed toward a 3-2 record at one point in the second half. They had a 15-point lead and you would've thought the Panthers would be ready to fold. But that's not what happened.

The Panthers raced down the field and made it 17-12, and the Skins never really recovered. The huge play was the fourth-quarter punt return on which Byron Westbrook collided with Antwaan Randle El. The Panthers were awarded the ball and they made the Skins pay.

The Redskins are an absolute mess but I'm not sure an in-season coaching change would make all that much difference. They play the Chiefs at FedEx next Sunday. I'd wait to see if they can beat Kansas City. If you lose that game, then go ahead and make the change. But if you win that game, you're hosting the Eagles the following Monday with a chance to go to 4-3.

I'd like to see Zorn get a full season -- even if it's his last. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Snyder go after Mike Shanahan after the season. But Shanahan's not going to accept an interim job. Stick with Zorn and see if he can get a win next Sunday.

It's not like the Redskins played particularly well in the first half Sunday, but they'd done enough to have a 10-2 lead. Then they made it 17-2 in the third quarter. Now, the Jim Zorn watch is on again. The Redskins have brought in offensive consultant Sherman Lewis to try and offer suggestions to Zorn and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith. Either Lewis or defensive coordinator Greg Blache could take over on an interim basis if Dan Snyder fires Zorn.

What a joke that DeAngelo Hall couldn't bring down quarterback Jake Delhomme on a third-and-9 late in the game. Do we blame that on Zorn, too? I agree that Zorn is in over his head right now, but a coaching change isn't going to accomplish anything -- just like an offensive consultant won't.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

There is an ESPN article saying that Shannahan might already have a secret deal with the Redskins. It's an insider article though, don't have a subscription.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

-------

I have an insider subscription. Basically it says Snyder has already offered Shanahan the job twice, once preseason, once recently, and he turned it down twice. But it still thinks he may eventually accept for next year so they're also speculating on who would be the interim. They're reporting it's down to Danny Smith and Jerry Gray.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 12, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Snyder can see the 10 pick 2007 draft class for what it is, an epic failure by Vinny and is finally ready to hand over control to a real football guy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse


My frustration is that we just don't know if these guys are that bad, or if it's the play calling (Joey T, Doc Walker think so) that are not putting these guys in the best positions to make plays. It's annoying as hell.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Good article in the Times this morning on the real problems with the Redskins. Also be sure to take the poll on who is most responsible for the Redskins' struggles this season:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/12/dan-daly-problems-with-redskins-o-line-start-at-to/

Posted by: cannontl | October 12, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the skins went into the carolina game without a solid backup to Chris Samuels. What does that say about the current offensive coaching staff? It tells me that they are unprepared and obviously not ready to coached at the NFL level. It is well known that Samuels has been banged up for weeks and they have done nothing to have a solid backup in place...total incompetence.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Management is definitely part of the problem, and a change needs to take place, i.e., Vinny should be gone. I didn't mean to absolve Vinny at all in my previous post.

I agree the team does need a culture change, but Vinny isn't responsible for motivating the players. Zorn is. And he obviously isn't up to the task.

Blache seems to have his guys ready every week, but some players on offense look apathetic - especially Sellers.

Plus, there's the matter of Zorn's entire offensive playbook. I have a feeling Sherm probably took one look at it and struggled to keep a poker face.

When people say D. Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis are all bums, what is the likelihood of that being true? If ONE of them was terrible, I'd say OK, that individual wasn't what people thought he was. But the fact that all three aren't producing seems to indicate that it's coaching AND the system they're playing in (the system that can't crack 20 points) more than it is a lack of talent/effort on the part of those three.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Shanahan was guaranteed a lot of money if he didn't take another job or do Anything "anti" Broncos this year by his contract. Perhaps that's why he is saying no. Wouldn't you sit and be quiet and wait for a multi milliondollar check to roll in?

Posted by: Veretax | October 12, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith or Jerry Gray? Oh yea, this is going to be just fine...Right now this team wouldn't be the favorite to win in the UFL...

Posted by: tdskinz | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Why is Randle El still returning punts?
Why is Cartright still returning kicks?
Why is Portis still taking all the snaps?
Why hasn't Marko Mitchell played yet?
Why haven't we signed a better tackle?
Why do we still run on every first down?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 9:58 AM | Report


Good questions!! As a matter of fact..watching this team play year after year is like watching the movie GROUNDHOG DAY. I think next week instead of watching the game I will just throw in a tape of this game or maybe the detroit game or the rams last year or whatever.. It always ends the same anyway..It just isnt Sunday tho until you want to puke over watching your favorite team blow a gimme game...we suck and im tired of rooting for these losers

Posted by: scottmando | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tpoindexter1 | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The thing about that poll is any choice but Snyder, STILL leads back to Snyder.

If Ceratto assembled a bad team, who is responsible for giving Ceratto that responsibility?

If Zorn can't motivate or play call, who is responsible for putting him in that place? Ceratto? Who gave Ceratto the power to do that?

Everything, everything, everything starts at the top. Everything. Until Snyder either sells, or hands the on the field football related responsibilities to a professional General Manager, then it will always be like this. Nothing's changing.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

For those of you not an Insider on ESPN:

NFL Insider Len Pasquarelli had word this past week that enriched the case for Mike Shanahan taking over as head coach of the Washington Redskins for 2010, given that he and Redskins VP Vinny Cerrato have a good relationship based upon their time together with the San Francisco 49ers in the early 1990's.

Yesterday, John Czarnecki of FOXSports.com put forth a report that Snyder had already offered Shanahan the job twice: once this past offseason and once already during the regular season.

With Shanahan pegged as the likely long-term candidate, we next look to who might be the short-term interim coach should a Jim Zorn firing occur before the end of the season. Jason La Canfora of NFL.com posits that special teams coach Danny Smith and secondary coach Jerry Gray are the leading candidates to fill in. Moreover, a change could be made by the Skins' Week Eight bye.

Posted by: tpoindexter1 | October 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Here is the link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

Posted by: tpoindexter1 | October 12, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

already posted what it said, see above

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

We never needed an "extra set of eyes"
We definitely need an extra set of offensive linemen

Posted by: kickass10101 | October 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo was a great pick. Finally. Why they have their head up their arse and play him at OLB is beyond me. They have trouble getting pressure on the opposing QB. Orakpo was a stud DE at Texas, why change him? Look at how out of place he was on the TD pass to King. That shows me that no one, from the front office to the coaching staff, has any idea what is going on.

Posted by: teamohall | October 12, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The problem (as many have pointed out) is Vinny/Cerrato. Zorn and others won't admit it but he was/is not ready for prime time head coaching. Maybe one day but not now.

We need a head coach who can control players, time mgm't, and hire the folks to run offense, defense, and special teams.

Zorn is definitely gone. Only question is whether it is before or after the season. Campbell is an adequate QB but will never be great. But he will also be gone.

Needs besides a new owner, GM, and coach(es).

2-3 Offensive lineman
true #1 receiver (Moss is not a #1 but would make a great #2)
running back with speed and strength to break tackles
Defense-not much needed except a CB but we still need to rush the QB better
Someone other than Randle El returning punts (if the wind is blowing more than 5mph, the wind becomes the first tackle on him)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | October 12, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Pete Kendall still out there? We could use him.

Posted by: chopin224 | October 12, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The 2009 Washington Redskins.

A House of Cards.

And now we are seeing what happens when you take out the support cards.

It all comes crashing down.

To think we could have had Greg Williams as coach and we sent him packing.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 12, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Who is responsible for devising the blocking schemes for play calls in the WCO.

Nobody feels that Buges is responsible for the so called pitiful state of the O-Line.

I refuse to believe the O-Line is pitiful because we just have sorry butt players like everyone seems to indicate.

But, if it is really true that we have sorry butt players for the O-Line, which I don't agree, then is it really the fault of the organization for not upgrading it?

Or, is it the fault of Buges for not standing up and telling whomever that the all the O-Line sucks and needs to be replaced?

Is it Zorns fault as the HC for keeping sorry O-Line players and not replacing them?

Or, is it Vinny's fault as a GM for not upgrading the O-Line?

When you consider all of this, at the end of the day you have to go with what you have.

To me, whomever is responsible for devising the scheme to fit the playcalling for the WCO O-Line is the culprit.

Whether that is Zorn or Buges, or both, then they are equally responsbile for the sorry state of the O-Line.

You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players.

It is the training, the scheming, and using what you have to the best of their ablilities and Buges is square in the middle of this crap.

So what, you don't have pro-bowl caliber O-Liners, but I am here to tell, any Professional competent staff should at least get any unit to play AVERAGE!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

zorn had that look yesterday that he was totally beat down. and i'm dissapointed in kelli johnson on the postgame for not asking hall how he let a qb get away.

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | October 12, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The answer is simple but the coaches don't want to make it (or have been told ot make it). Orakpo is a right defensive end sadly miscast as an OLB as evidenced by how he got burned in pass coverage. Play him at defensive end ONLY. He helps the team most as a pass rusher. If he can't hold up on running downs, then play Jarmon on those plays instead. Young players like Orakpo need to play at their natural position, not be slotted where the team has a hole.

A SLB could be signed off the street like the Skins did with Randall Godfrey two years ago and be better off at that position. I don't think Blatche wants to speak to the media, because he's been told to play Orakpo at SLB regardless of how much trouble he hass in pass coverage.

The Redskins are a completely fractured team and it shows in the lack of accountability taken by Cerrato and Snyder for the mess they created. Zorn may be fired in the next week or two, but it won't get better until Snyder cans Cerrato and hands over the reins to the team to someone who is a real football GM.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 12, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Vinny is in need of a "Code Red"

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse
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That's awesome! You're GD right he does!

Posted by: clark202 | October 12, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo would need to bulk up to be a full time DE. I think that the coaches are right in their choice to use him as a linebacker and 3rd down speedrusher. He should improve in coverage over time.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 12, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

When people say D. Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis are all bums, what is the likelihood of that being true? If ONE of them was terrible, I'd say OK, that individual wasn't what people thought he was. But the fact that all three aren't producing seems to indicate that it's coaching AND the system they're playing in (the system that can't crack 20 points) more than it is a lack of talent/effort on the part of those three.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse
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I would Devin Thomas and Fred Davis are busts. Davis leaves his feet before the tackle too much for my blood, which leaves him prone to fumble. Devin Thomas runs poor routes and is the new version of 50-50. Malcolm Kelly, to me earns a little slack, because this is really a rookie season for him. I'd keep him around, especially if we get the get kid from Oklahoma next year.

Posted by: clark202 | October 12, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This truly is a very sad time for a once proud organization. The loyalty to this team has been well noted. These fans deserve a better product and competent leadership.

Posted by: frens06 | October 12, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Of course this team doesn't have any depth! When your starters are this bad, what can you expect from the guys who couldn't beat them out for the starting spot?

We in trouble...

Posted by: edvar | October 12, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

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