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Davis takes crash course to get up to speed

With Pro Bowl tight end Chris Cooley sidelined at least a few weeks after leg surgery, second-year tight end Fred Davis moves to the top of the depth chart for Sunday's game against the Atlanta Falcons at the Georgia Dome.

Davis showed encouraging signs after becoming a bigger part of the offense when Cooley was injured during the last game -- a 27-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles -- and the Redskins hope Davis continues to build on his eight-catch, 78-yard performance against the Eagles that included his first career touchdown reception.

Initially slow to learn the playbook and inspire confidence in the coaching staff, Davis worked hard during the bye week to prepare for his big opportunity. He intends to seize the moment, and the Redskins are counting on him.

"It's definitely a good opportunity, a big chance to show people what you can do and why they picked you [in the] second round," Davis said. "They know I can catch the ball. They just want to make sure I can block, to be able to handle all of that at once."

The Redskins envisioned using Davis and Cooley in many multiple tight-end sets this season, but those plans were scaled back because Davis did not demonstrate enough of a command of the offense, league sources said. An All-American while playing in a pro-style offense at Southern California, Davis has struggled to become comfortable in Coach Jim Zorn's version of the West Coast offense. In an effort to get up to speed this week, Davis remained in Ashburn during the bye week and was the only student in a crash course of Tight End 101 taught by Redskins tight ends coach Scott Wachenheim.

"We just went through the fundamentals. From stance, steps, hand placement, eye placement -- things you would teach a Pop Warner football player," Wachenheim said. "Just started back at square one and just started building on that."

Cooley is not considered a strong blocker for his position and Davis does not block as well as Cooley. But they both are catch-and-run guys. "There's some things that Chris does better than Fred and there's some things that Fred will bring that maybe Chris didn't," Wachenheim said. "But for the most part, he'll be able to fit right in and do what we expect our tight ends to do."

With all of their problems along the offensive line, the Redskins could use a boost from Davis.

"Two things, two areas," Coach Jim Zorn said. "One is his blocking. He hasn't been at the point of attack as much as Chris has. We just haven't had him in the game, so that'll be something that we look for, and also just the details of route running and things like that, that he hasn't had a lot of work with. He did a nice job in our last game of catching eight balls, but there are some details of those things that he can improve on as well.

"And the thing that I appreciated about him is he was going to leave and have a bit of a bye week time, and he just chose to stay here and work. Our tight end coach chose to stay here and work. They both showed their commitment to the program and getting better, and I think we'll see that on the football field."

By Jason Reid  |  November 3, 2009; 11:26 AM ET
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Ideally, the crash will not be season-ending.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

First to say Davis better learn how to block fast

Posted by: TheJury | November 3, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I would say Robert Royal AND Zeron Flemister were better blockers.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 12:30 PM

And Yoder is better than those two, neither of whom ever came anywhere near Cooley's receiving yardage.

Also, didn't Zeron Flemister build that building in the Being John Malkovich movie?

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is not considered a strong blocker for his position

By: JReid

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This sounds awfully familiar of what a certain commentor was saying a few minutes ago....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"There's some things that Chris does better than Fred and there's some things that Fred will bring that maybe Chris didn't," Wachenheim said.

By Jason Reid | November 3, 2009; 11:26 AM ET

What's that? A good head of hair?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This sounds awfully familiar of what a certain commentor was saying a few minutes ago ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 12:46 PM

4thFlemister referring to himself in the third person ...

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Good that he is “re” dedicating himself, but doesn’t this say that he was kind of dogging it while he figured he was only 2nd string? He should have been practicing and studying this hard since the day he got his playbook. This just reflects how poorly this team is motivated and coached, from the top down…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 3, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Zeron Flemister, from the University of the Moon.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 3, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Flemister, Flemister, Flemister! The guy lost his job to Cooley.

Still, he does have an awesome name. Flemister.

On the other hand, F lemister ... and F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Whole team should have stayed through the bye week to "go over some things".

Posted by: REXskins | November 3, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Sleepy should forget that he was drafted in the second round. Who cares about that now? You're just a second year player that hasn't proved anything yet in the NFL.

This Sunday, just prove you're worthy of being on the roster, Fred. And stop giggling, please.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | November 3, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

My offseason plan including mock draft through round 3 with a trade down assuming we have a top 5 pick. Gaining an extra 2nd rounder:

1- RB - Jahvid Best - California - Many scouting sites are comparing him to Chris Johnson and is being projected in the mid to late first round.

2a- LT - Selvish Capers - West Virginia - Atheletic, former TE similar to Jason Peters. Needs to bulk up a bit.

2b- QB - Ciron Black - LSU - Powerful run blocker who can also play guard. (Or if Alex Barron is signed, use Black at guard or draft Jevan Snead at Quarterback)

3- Used for DE Jeremy Jarmon

The 2nd day of the draft, I'd look at potential Guards/Center , Linebacker and safety help.

Assuming the year is uncapped, keep Campbell for one more turn.

Get rid of the contracts of Randel El, Smoot, Chris Samuels (retirement), Randy Thomas (too injury prone to rely on), Philip Daniels.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 3, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

bring back Terry Orr.

Posted by: saltine182 | November 3, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Davis remained in Ashburn during the bye week and was the only student in a crash course of Tight End 101 taught by Redskins tight ends coach Scott Wachenheim."

A crash course in TE 101? So what has the dude been doing with his time for the 1 1/2 yrs he has been in Ashburn up til now? Trying to find a good alarm clock?

Posted by: BlackBagOps | November 3, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Davis' crash-course started with Pop Warner lessons?

That's a good sign.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 3, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I am intrigued by Zorn's excuses to keep the younger players on the bench. There have been so many. It is abundantly clear to me that he places no value in junior players. Davis, for instance, was kept on the bench because he couldn't grasp the playbook. C'mon... I mean, so you might have hundreds of plays in the playbook, but the guy doesn't have to know all of them to get on the field. Why wouldn't you simplify it so you can get this guy on the field? We all make a lot of noise about Vinny having a poor eye for talent, but Zorn has a terrible reputation for developing talent. I really don't think he gets the whole concept of investing playing time in the younger players.

He started Mike Williams at guard - a position he had never played - instead of using Rhinehart or Montgomery. He hasn't given Marko Mitchell any playing time although the guy was lighting it up in the preseason. They re-signed Alridge and never even activated him for a game. First Malcolm Kelly is great and then he is riding the pine. I just don't get it. Does he expect these guys to rush out onto the field on day one and play mistake-free football? Most teams scale down the packages for the young players and gradually work them into games. Zorn doesn't seem to get this. I hope he is gone after this season because the team will need to rebuild, and they are never going to get the job done with this coach's approach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead on the Sports Fix radio show, Zorn said that he wants to get the younger players more involved during the game. In particular, in mention Jarmon as a player who warranted more time on the field. We shall see.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Zeron Flemister is one of the greatest names in the history of the Redskins' bench.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Zeron, Zorn. Zorn, Zeron.

In related news, "Zero point zero."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Do they guys we draft blow or is it the coaches? We have go to back to the basics on an All-American TE pick. Also DT11 and MK12 have trouble running routes. What does Marko do in practice, fall down while running route? Run into other players who are running their routes? If everyone is so bad why are they here?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | November 3, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

sween, sorry about the safety dance thing earlier vis-a-vis Cooley. I'm not a very strong reader.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dfbovey | November 3, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

RB in the 1st round?? Vinnie would be proud
You can get quality RB's in later rounds, not so much with O Linemen. And if I was to go for a RB high (which I wouldn't), I'd rather go for Spiller.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 3, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

... He hasn't given Marko Mitchell any playing time although the guy was lighting it up in the preseason. They re-signed Alridge and never even activated him for a game. First Malcolm Kelly is great and then he is riding the pine. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2009 1:00 PM

1. Marcus Mason also lit it up in the preseason.

2. Anthony Alridge is Vinny's choice -- and fumbles.

3. Malcolm Kelly strained the ligament that connects his thumb to his hand ... but he does get onto the field with the help of a 'candy shot'.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"Its getting to be Didier time".


WAP(wild azz projection) for Davis Sunday: 5, 63, 1TD. One can dream, LOL. Especially since I'm an Owen Daniels owner in desperate need of a TE.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 3, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a very strong reader.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 1:14 PM

Still, I got you down for at least a bronze when Men's Synchro comes to the Olympics.

What safety dance thing? Men in Hats?

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

... Especially since I'm an Owen Daniels owner in desperate need of a TE.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 3, 2009 1:17 PM

Desperate is having Cooley (am there, do that).

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Cooley's coming back (supposedly, and I don't know why), Daniels is officially done with an ACL tear.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 3, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah, whey didn't they do this before? Not paid enough?

This team is a f-ing joke.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 3, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"And the thing that I appreciated about him is he was going to leave and have a bit of a bye week time, and he just chose to stay here and work. Our tight end coach chose to stay here and work. They both showed their commitment to the program and getting better, and I think we'll see that on the football field."

Heaven forbid they have to work for 5 straight months for the extremely high compensation they get to play a game, what commitment to the program.....give me a break, I loved hearing Zorn on 980 say he got away and went to Luray Cavern and mountain biking and blah blah....this is a 2-5 football team that sucks right now, I can't believe they weren't practicing all week and trying to get things fixed. Just another indication that we care more than they do. What other job do you get to wildly under perform your expectations and then just "get away" from the mess you yourself created?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 3, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

snyderatto's skins are bad for your health, I feel alot better with this off week not reading or watching this disease we call our team.

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 3, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Do they guys we draft blow or is it the coaches? We have go to back to the basics on an All-American TE pick.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | November 3, 2009 1:14 PM

I'd love to know the answer for this. Why are they waiting until the middle of his second year to teach him to block? What have they been doing all this time -- having him take an on-line course in blocking techniques?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

God bless you for getting that reference, sween.

That one probably finishes a very close second to "Little Chocolate Donuts" on my power ranking of SNL sports shorts.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

mattylight hopes "Matty Ice" has a bad game on Sunday...

Posted by: mattylight | November 3, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

TE's pick the best ones

Stephen Alexander
Jamie Asher
Jerry Smith
Clint Didier
Don Warren
Doc Walker
Jean Fugett
Zeron Flemister
Walter Rasby

Posted by: noonefromtampa | November 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Danny's team is a F U G G I N G joke. And some of them actually think they can make the playoffs and the (offensive) team is worth salvaging, LOLOLOLOL. Idiots.

Snyder is a meddling moron, Vinny is a slurping moron, Zoron is a really really really really nice guy, and now Davis is the latest in a long line of underprepared no account azz clowns pretending to be PROFESSIONAL football players.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 3, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Synchronized swimming / Shearer-Short:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4122944961711350389#

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Sleepy should forget that he was drafted in the second round."

I think his new name is Fred "The Flying Tight End" Davis.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Great! Maybe he'll inspire Devin Thomas to learn the playbook in case Moss goes down.

I don't think it's so much that Cerrato and Snyder can't draft physical talent, but as far as motivation, heart, desire, confidence, football intelligence and will-to-win, they are clueless with most of the bozos theyv'e taken in the high rounds.

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

RB in the 1st round?? Vinnie would be proud
You can get quality RB's in later rounds, not so much with O Linemen. And if I was to go for a RB high (which I wouldn't), I'd rather go for Spiller.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 3, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

___________________

Best is better than Spiller. Spiller is Reggie Bush in the NFL. Best is Chris Johnson.

And 2nd round isn't really a "later round". You can and should be able to pick up guys who can start as rookies with 2nd round picks. What I propose addresses 3 major needs on offense. Two tackles and a running back in the first two rounds of the draft.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 3, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

""We just went through the fundamentals. From stance, steps, hand placement, eye placement -- things you would teach a Pop Warner football player," Wachenheim said. "Just started back at square one and just started building on that.""

Interesting.......

Posted by: hz9604 | November 3, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is the second year, backup tight end just now going through a crash course? Shouldn't this have happened last year? Or during this offseason?

What is this coaching staff doing? Can't blame this one on Danny.

Posted by: Tank2 | November 3, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

League source,
Davis is "Vinny's guy" so, he didnt have to compete or "learn to block". He was going to stay on the team, no matter his lack of skills. Otherwise, if cut, Vinny would look like he didnt know what he was doing... ummmmm
+++++++++++++++++
I'd love to know the answer for this. Why are they waiting until the middle of his second year to teach him to block? What have they been doing all this time -- having him take an on-line course in blocking techniques?

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 1:23 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 3, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"They know I can catch the ball. They just want to make sure I can block, to be able to handle all of that at once."--FRED DAVIS

Try asking the team doctor. He's better equipped to answer critical questions about your blocking skills, Fred. For instance, he can tell you if you are in danger of catching a cold from the breeze caused by DEs racing by you.

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

TE's pick the best ones

Stephen Alexander
Jamie Asher
Jerry Smith
Clint Didier
Don Warren
Doc Walker
Jean Fugett
Zeron Flemister
Walter Rasby

Moe likes Stephan Alexander and, the guy not on the list, Chris Cooley.

If the redskins had any kind of offense, Cooley numbers would put him in the same class as Witten/Clark/Gonzalez/Daniels.

Not that he isn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"It's definitely a good opportunity, a big chance to show people what you can do and why they picked you [in the] second round," Davis said. "They know I can catch the ball. They just want to make sure I can block, to be able to handle all of that at once."

Yeah, let's make sure he can block cause finding that out AFTER he's drafted kinda makes sense.

And I thought that was a given, based on being an All-American and winning the Mackey award and all. But WTF do I know?

Once again, excellent due diligence Vin....doooooosh.

Posted by: ksquare | November 3, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

""We just went through the fundamentals. From stance, steps, hand placement, eye placement -- things you would teach a Pop Warner football player," Wachenheim said. "Just started back at square one and just started building on that.""

WTF have they been doing for the past year. Another indication that the offensive coaches have no clue.

Posted by: dcwun | November 3, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Especially since I'm an Owen Daniels owner in desperate need of a TE.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 3, 2009 1:17 PM

I'm glad you told me....I was going to drop Celek...but not anymore...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe he'll inspire Devin Thomas to learn the playbook in case Moss goes down."


I don't think that's a bad thing.

Sometimes you need an injury to a starter to force a guy onto the field.

And given the present sorry state of the redskins' offense, I say anybody who can catch the ball should be dressed and ready to 'show us what he got'.

That includes Marko Mitchell, btw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This is this guys's second season and he needs a crash course. This has to be a joke.
What's his IQ?

Posted by: jmy999 | November 3, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


""We just went through the fundamentals. From stance, steps, hand placement, eye placement -- things you would teach a Pop Warner football player," Wachenheim said.

REDSKIN INSIDER

Here's the trouble with Davis. Wachenheim wasnt' afraid to tell the world Fred's football education was starting at Pop Warner level.

Imagine if he'd said that about, oh I dunno, Mike Ditka? Donny Warren, Clint Didier? Gonzalez, Kellen Winslow (the original)

He's be pooping his own teeth for weeks.

You can't make this stuff up fellas. And ifyou've been a fan for more than 10 years you have to laugh, or you'll cry like a baby.

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so if one of us was at his/her job for almost two years and didn't know the job, would we still be around? If Bill Parcells ran this club, would Davis still be around? There is a fundamental flaw with this coaching staff and that flaw is they don't hold their players accountable.

Actually, I hope Fred shines for the rest of the season. Perhaps it will bring up discussions on whether we should look at shopping Cooley next year for extra picks (I love Cooley, but it may have to be considered.)

Posted by: gwelsh | November 3, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

We've IMHO always had legit enough tightends since the Norv years.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

A crash course in TE 101? So what has the dude been doing with his time for the 1 1/2 yrs he has been in Ashburn up til now? Trying to find a good alarm clock?

Posted by: BlackBagOps

Precisely

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe he'll inspire Devin Thomas to learn the playbook in case Moss goes down."-_THE CORK


I don't think that's a bad thing.

POSTED BY: Mistamoe


Not how I meant it, but I see your point about the team needing SOMETHING to inspire these underachievers to work at their
jobs.

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think it's so much that Cerrato and Snyder can't draft physical talent, but as far as motivation, heart, desire, confidence, football intelligence and will-to-win, they are clueless with most of the bozos theyv'e taken in the high rounds."

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2009 1:35 PM

Absolutely. I would go further and add the example Snyder sets flying the jet around, throwing money after free agents, developing pet players, and buying meals for prospective draft choices sets a bad example and presumably erodes character of even the highly motivated and disciplined guys. We're basically talking about a cancer here.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 3, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Best is better than Spiller. Spiller is Reggie Bush in the NFL. Best is Chris Johnson."


Fact is, either would satisfy a major hole in the offense: speed.

The team rightfully saw this, added Alridge/Mason, but then let them go.

Portis has lost a step, and Betts' plodding running style is no change 'o pace when the starter is just as slow.

I like Spiller as he can return kicks, and can line up wide a la Westbrook/Bush.

Best or Spiller?: Don't care, really.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

TE's pick the best ones

Stephen Alexander
Jamie Asher
Jerry Smith
Clint Didier
Don Warren
Doc Walker
Jean Fugett
Zeron Flemister
Walter Rasby

Posted by: noonefromtampa

EASY EASY EASY

Jerry Smith. Smith held the record for TD catches by a TE for roughly 30 years!!!!! What other TD record stood for 30 years?

Smith has more TD catches than any of the TE currently in the HOF, with 60 career TDs.

Shannon Sharpe (likely to get into the HOF) broke Smith's record earlier this decade and finished with ... 62. Only Sharpe and Tony Gonzales (a HOF lock) are ahead of Jerry Smith in all time TDs by a TE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's be realistic here: Fred Davis and Devin Thomas were both had character and work-ethic issued flagged by a number of teams during the draft process. There was a reason both slipped into the 2nd round. Kelly was flat out 'medical rejected' by a number of teams because of his knee. It's hard to believe how many other WR's including DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal were available when Thomas was selected.

Everyone in the Redskins organization identified the O-Line is the biggest weakness after the team fell apart in the 2nd half of last season. It should have been a given that the Redskins picked an OT with their 1st round pick, not a defensive player, even if Orakpo was on the board.

It's hard to say whether JC would have become a productive QB with a better line given that he's a bad fit for a West Coast offense, but he never really had a good chance with a horrible offensive line and no running game.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 3, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If Fred gets his chance to play due to injury, who must get injured for Marko to get a chance to play? Or shall I say 'more' injured?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 3, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

We've IMHO always had legit enough tightends since the Norv years.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 1:52 PM

I think that tight ends, as a general matter, have gotten more involved in the passing game around the NFL since the Skins' Norv years. The center of the field, short and middle, is the place that has opened up for one reason or another since the rise of the 3-4 defense. It seems like there is ALWAYS something open there ... its just that, after the catch and given how exposed the player is needing to turn up the field, the incoming hit inevitably is going to feel like a full speed locomotive ... which is why teams only ever throw to TEs and big WRs (see Malcolm in the (short) middle) there.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Stay with me on this one - wasn't Don Warren an "honorary" hog, as his job was mainly to block - and aren't tight ends supposed to do double duty? And, if that's the case, shouldn't Bugel have noticed this as a problem and corrected it if no one else did? Is the tight end coach the ONLY coach who works with these three guys?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 3, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

... It's hard to believe how many other WR's including DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal were available when Thomas was selected. ...

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 3, 2009 2:08 PM

Up here, that second guy is Eddie "Big Target" Royal. Your vibe about Jackson and Big Target is cleanly out of the JaLaC archives.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Not how I meant it, but I see your point about the team needing SOMETHING to inspire these underachievers to work at their jobs.

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2009 1:54 PM

Yeah. It's called "coaching" and it sounds like there's not much of it going on at Redskins Park.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's be realistic here: Fred Davis and Devin Thomas were both had character and work-ethic issued flagged by a number of teams during the draft process.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 3, 2009 2:08 PM

I don't recall that at all. Not saying that you're wrong but can you give us some references regarding your position on Davis and Thomas. I remember Thomas sliding because people thought he was a one hit wonder and needed a few years to develop as a WR in the NFL. Davis was pretty much considered one of the best TE prospect coming out that year. The only one that had character concerns was Kelly because of how he handled himself during the draft process.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, I think the idea is that the tight end coach works on all aspects of the TE game ... chip blocking, line blocking, downfield blocking, receiving, motions, such as ... in addition to Bugel, the Skins DO have a WR coach ... I imagine that Sellers sometimes practices with Cooley, Davis, and Yoder, too.

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Good point John. Buges had to know this group of lineman is inferior. He may have asked for, but obviously was not provided any TE help on the O Line.

Aside from Cooley, who else could do it? Cooley's wasting his talent blocking. What's Yoder's speciality again?

If Davis was a strong enough blocker to begin with, he would have been on the field sooner.

Posted by: ksquare | November 3, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

LOWER THEIR CONTRACTS AND PAY!!! THAT WILL MOTIVATE THIS IDOITS TO PLAY WELL!!! They all get their checks so to hell with the people who help pay our salaries. danny boy is the scum of the earth! real effin bozo. ceratto too..

Posted by: odeniyidea | November 3, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Nov 2 3:46 ET

"We are trying to get some of our young some playing time," Redskins coach Jim Zorn said discussing the promotion of FB Eddie Williams from the practice squad.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

what a joke. after 1 and 1/2 seasons they are teaching him the basics and he is learning the plays! what has he been doing?

Posted by: 3rings | November 3, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ward, Porter, Haynesworth called NFL's dirtiest
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 3, 2009 2:23 PM ET
A Sports Illustrated poll of NFL players has found that Hines Ward is considered by his colleagues to be the dirtiest player in the league, with Albert Haynesworth and Joey Porter tied for second.

The question, "Who is the dirtiest player in the league?'' was asked of 296 players during training camp this summer, and Ward, the Steelers' wide receiver, got 11.6 percent of the vote, according to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Haynesworth, the Redskins defensive tackle who as a Tennessee Titan in 2006 received a five-game suspension for stepping on the helmetless head of Cowboys center Andre Gurode, got 6 percent of the vote. Porter, the Dolphins' linebacker, also got 6 percent.

Rounding out the Top 5 (or should it be Bottom 5?) are Bengals safety Roy Williams, who got 5.1 percent of the vote, and Titans center Kevin Mawae, with 4.6% percent.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Nov 2 3:19 ET

OG Will Montgomery on his performance as the starting RG: "I've done some good things, and there are things I need to improve on. I played well against Kansas City, but struggled against an attacking Eagles front seven."

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

IMO I actually think the "young" guys, and those "marvelous" three receivers we got in the 2nd rd last yr are not playing because the coaches know that they can't cut it. They're just not good. "Somebody" made a bad choice in drafting them. Hmmm, who could THAT be???
So, if we don't win another game this year, we'll get a higher draft choice, right? But, wait, who's doing the drafting? Face it, guys, nothing will change until Snyder and Cerrato are gone. And that ain't happening.
Since I don't foresee any change in ownership or management, I'm borderline just not caring anymore.

Posted by: scmonty1 | November 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Good Point from Clark Judge:

1. The Minnesota Vikings get credit for taking chances others would not, and I'm not talking about their play-calling. I'm talking about their drafting. They chose Adrian Peterson in 2007 after six other clubs were scared off because of injuries, and they took Percy Harvin with the 22nd pick this year after others passed because of character concerns. Peterson isn't hurt, and Harvin isn't in trouble. Instead, they're both in the end zone. Yeah, I'd say the Vikings aced the exam.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 3, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

""What would be dumb about it?" {blowing up the team and starting over from scratch]"

So many things....

If you've got one of the better defenses in the League -- which the numbers suggest the Skins do -- then you're already in position to win, and win soon, provided the other aspects of the game don't beat you.

Correcting special teams problems isn't an insuperable challenge. Nor is it terribly expensive. You can do it in a single offseason.

It's the offense that's the weak spot. So what do you need to fix the offense?

One season of throwing as much $$ at that side as you did at the defense.

That's FAs and draft choices.

Then patience while they learn to play together as a unit.

And good play-calling.

If the defense was a shambles, it would be a different story. But it isn't.

If you subscribe to the notion that three quarters of NFL games are lost by one team rather than 'won' by the other, then the goal isn't to excel in every aspect of the game. It's to play at the top level in at least one aspect and acceptably (and preferably, error-free) in the others.

Anybody really think Pittsburgh had the best o-line in the NFL last season?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 3, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

it's nice to see a professional football player can suddenly be bothered to learn a necessary element of his position when he can capitalize on someone's injury. it's not like he would have been trying to work on his blocking during the off-season or maybe even training camp.

Posted by: rev_ollie | November 3, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not giving up on Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas!!!!!

Who knows if they can really play? They come out of the game after every friggin' catch so all the rest of the "veteran" players can get some reps.

JC doesn't throw the ball to them consistently, BUT somehow now that Sherm Lewis calls the plays Thomas gets a TD and Davis has 7 catches???

Yes the O-line stinks, yes JC stinks, yes we have a FO problem, but I'm not so sure that Aldridge, Mitchell, Thomas, Kelly and Davis are worse than what we have.

THEY DON'T PLAY ENOUGH!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 3, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

i miss barno

Posted by: jpfterps | November 3, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

the more I hear from this bozo zorn the more I can see why this moron needs to go NOW. I see other young receivers on other teams producing now, this a-hole expects the receivers to know every play in the play book before they can go on the field. This is insane put player's in positions where they can make plays even if they are only good at some of the plays at this time. I hope that sherman lewis can have some influence on who can play or not maybe we can get m. mitchell on the field.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 3, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at player development in the Zorn era.

Which young players have gotten better with the help of Zorn and his staff?

As best as I can tell, WR-TE-WR have not developed much, though we'll see about the TE shortly. The QB regressed. Rinehart didn't develop. Heyer has improved marginally. QBs Colt and Daniel? Nope.

On defense, Tryon is showing signs of improvement and Rocky has improved. Horton shocked us early, but hasn't progressed since. Landry, Hall and Rogers all seem to be underachieving relative to last year.

Exactly which guys has our coaching staff actually coached up?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | November 3, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If Davis could just stop jumping in the air to gain extra yards after contact, and maybe stick a block or two, it'll be an improvement. But esp. the jumping in the air business, everytime he did that in the last game, I saw Sage Rosenfels gettin blasted mid air when he was with the Texans and losing the game.

Posted by: walkdwalk | November 3, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I am intrigued by Zorn's excuses to keep the younger players on the bench. There have been so many. It is abundantly clear to me that he places no value in junior players. Davis, for instance, was kept on the bench because he couldn't grasp the playbook. C'mon... I mean, so you might have hundreds of plays in the playbook, but the guy doesn't have to know all of them to get on the field. Why wouldn't you simplify it so you can get this guy on the field? We all make a lot of noise about Vinny having a poor eye for talent, but Zorn has a terrible reputation for developing talent. I really don't think he gets the whole concept of investing playing time in the younger players.

He started Mike Williams at guard - a position he had never played - instead of using Rhinehart or Montgomery. He hasn't given Marko Mitchell any playing time although the guy was lighting it up in the preseason. They re-signed Alridge and never even activated him for a game. First Malcolm Kelly is great and then he is riding the pine. I just don't get it. Does he expect these guys to rush out onto the field on day one and play mistake-free football? Most teams scale down the packages for the young players and gradually work them into games. Zorn doesn't seem to get this. I hope he is gone after this season because the team will need to rebuild, and they are never going to get the job done with this coach's approach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Redskinhead. And its stuff like this that has made me lose all confidence in Zorn, not just the FO. I think an entire culture shift is needed. Trade away vets who think they deserve to start if you have to, put some fire into these guys, make them compete with each other.

Also while I'd not be opposed to a trade back and taking some player that can have impact, but selvish capers in the second round? I'm not sure he'll be drafted in the first five rounds, and I'm a WVU homer. Maybe you've seen something I haven't.

Posted by: Veretax | November 3, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or if this front office knew what the hell they were doing, why would a guy half way thru his second year have to try real hard to know the play book. That he had to stay behind to learn "pop warner" taught techniques. Jesus H- christ. shouldn't he be much further down the road then this and if not, the coaches have failed him and the team and the front office have failed by drafting him when we needed OL. Oh yeah, my bad, we don't draft by need, we go by the big board. abosolute morons we have running this team!

Posted by: klangley69 | November 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

i think the problem with the redskins is that they all read and post on this blog

Posted by: BMACattack | November 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If it is up to that stubborn a$$ Zorn....in order for Marko Mitchell to get playing time,all of the following players will need to get hurt at the same time.

Moss
Kelly
Thomas
Randle El

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 3, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Why wasn't zorn on davis's azz about knowing what to do on the field. He is a loser as a coach. How could an NFL player not know what the hell to do after a year and a half. When he is supposed to block it is apparent he doesn't even know who to block. He is lost on the field.

Posted by: jmy999 | November 3, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"We just went through the fundamentals. From stance, steps, hand placement, eye placement -- things you would teach a Pop Warner football player," Wachenheim said. "Just started back at square one and just started building on that."

This is the problem with the redskins now. If a tight end who has been with the team for two years now STILL does this, does this not mean that this is a TEAM WIDE issue regardless of position?
Examples Sellers, Randel El, The whole offensive line, QB, RB.
Just look at the games. Is not the coach responsible for this for all players?

If I am wrong tell me.

Posted by: zariah | November 3, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow - Davis is just now being coached on his 3 point stance. That speaks more about the coach than the player. What a sorry organization.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 3, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

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