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Davis: 'The more I play, the better I'm going to be'

Deep inside the Oakland-Alameda County Stadium, Redskins tight end Fred Davis leaned against a wall outside the visitors' locker room and briefly rested as the team hurried to pack after Sunday's 34-13 rout of the Raiders.

The break definitely was well-earned.

Davis had three receptions for 50 yards and two touchdowns to help the Redskins end a losing streak at three games and win away from FedEx Field for the first time since Nov. 23, 2008.

"It's crazy," Davis said. "With the way we've been playing, we feel like we should still be in it. But that's not the way things happened. We're just trying to take the best out of the situation.

"We could have gave up, we could have done that, but everyone just decided to keep working hard, finish out the season and prepare for next year. I feel like with us three [Davis and flankers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly] and having the [injured] Pro Bowlers back next year, who knows what the future can bring?"

Davis has emerged as a force in the mid-range passing game since joining the first team after Chris Cooley suffered a season-ending leg injury in the Oct. 26 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx Field.

Davis seems to be improving these days each time he steps on the field. "I'm just one of those guys where the more I play, I'm just gonna come on more and more stronger," said Davis, who leads the Redskins with five touchdowns. "I still don't feel I'm even at my peak yet.

"I feel there are some steps where I can do even more and more. I think like if I can just keep doing what I'm doing, keep improving, me and Chris could be one of the top [tight-end tandems] in the league when he comes back. We've got the talent to do it."

Davis's talent is becoming clearer each week. He has been very effective in the mid-range game -- formerly Cooley's domain -- and appears to be at his best after the catch. Davis in recent weeks has turned short passes into long gains.

"The more I play, the better I'm going to be," Davis said. "When I'm sitting down and watching, I don't get better like that. I need to be in the game.

"So far this year, some stuff has happened where I'm able to get in. I'm just trying to take that and use this confidence for next year."

Cooley is expected to make a full recovery and return as the starter in 2010. But Davis has shown that he needs to be on the field as well.

"I don't know what the situation will be, but I know Chris is the starter," Davis said."But I'm going to try to do the best I can to help him."

Chats today

Cindy Boren will chat at 11 a.m.; Mike Wilbon will chat at 1:15 p.m. (or thereabouts; time is bend-y in WilbonWorld).

By Jason Reid  |  December 14, 2009; 7:13 AM ET
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Comments

Lot's of ofensive weapons next year. Hoepfully for Jason.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 14, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Ridgely1 for not throwing a 1st on that post!!!

Posted by: PEACE8 | December 14, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Another good game for JC. I say keep him and draft a O lineman and see what the team do next year with a real NFL line.

Posted by: jm220 | December 14, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

If we could trade CC47 for a second, then i would say bring on the Sleepy era. Otherwise, there are worse problems to have than a 2 tight end problem.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 14, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday, someone on this blog mentioned that we shouldn't be excited about the performance of 2/3s of the triplets over the last month. I can't help but be excited to think of what a coach like Shanahan (I'm claiming it) with his staff of offensive wizards can do with Moss, DT, Cooley, Davis, MK, MM etc. If JC is back, I'd execpt him to improve as well. I read the same QB coach that guided Cutler is ready to leave USC and link up with his old boss.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

twisi,

Don't worry we have some f-cking crybabies on here who aren't happy with anything.

The young bucks are playing well now that there being used, I also think it might be Shanny.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 14, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

What's the consensus on Kerry Rhodes? It's sounding more and more that he'll not be a Jet next year. I haven't seen him play much, but when I have I thought he was a solid player.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

VINNY's latest machinations as GM reek less badly after a win. That said, he has gotten a number of good players since he was let off his short leash by the ownership before last season. I think he may be retained.

ZORN has to go. He just isn't ready to be a head coach.

CAMPBELL should stay IMHO unless we get a one and a two pick as SONNY said. I like the idea of either.

CP's vision must clear before he plays again. If that doesn't, he's guaranteed a lot of money. I do think whoever gave him that diva deal should be held accountable. Was the GIBBS?

FREE AGENTS on the REDSKINS in March are:

OFFENSE:

JASON CAMPBELL
TODD YODER
STEPHON HEYER - RFA

DEFENSE:

PHILLIP DANIELS
KEDRICK GOLSTON
ANTHONY MONTGOMERY
LORENZO ALEXANDER
ROCKY McINTOSH
ROBERT THOMAS
CARLOS ROGERS
REED DOUGHTY
HUNTER SMITH
GRAHAM GANO - unknown

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

jm, agreed, draft OL, and lets give this team another year. They've shown a ton of imrprovement the last 4-5 games, add into that CCooley, and some draft picks on the line, and see what happens.

twis, who was saying that about the triplets....thats just dumb, yeah, Davis is playing well, Thomas is playing well, but lets not get excited about that...wow...thats just...I don't know...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is gonna go nuts this game. I'm calling 80 yard and 2 TDs. Book it.

Posted by: REXskins | December 11, 2009 3:57 PM
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Just braggin :)

Also I put Ganther in for Fantasy this week. Woot.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Gano is locked up for 3 years, fwiw.

Posted by: crashinghero | December 14, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The rushing D was very good this week as well. They shut it down very well. J. Russell is terrible thought. Then again, if he was coming out of college the upcoming draft, D&V would be trading up to get him....

Thomas and Sleepy are finally playing well. MK really has not done much and has had plenty of opportunity. Would like to see a bit more of Marko Mitchell as he looked great in preseason, but they have not thrown to him much at all this year.

That said, if they do not invest in O-line via draft or free-agency, then my boycott of spending money on this team will continue.

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 14, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Like that the Skins are still playing hard, and seemingly getting better.

Might be a knee-jerk reaction to a meaningless win over the Raiders, but I don't want us to blow it all up after the season. I'm still for getting rid of Vinny, but I'm OK if Zorn stays and the rest of the coaching staff remains intact for the most part. Our offense is finally clicking, defense is still fighting even without AH and DHall.

Pretty good win yesterday, considering the Raiders have beaten Cincy and Philly at home this season...and we went out there and took it to them.

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

The rushing D was very good this week as well.

osted by: HughGRection | December 14, 2009 8:30 AM


That was good to see. I still think they need another younger body at DT next year as Giff is really wearing down, and L Alexander is too light to play significant snaps. I like that Daniels plays well there, but he's really a stopgap player.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

On offense, I think the club should offer a two-year incentive laden contract if JASON will accept it. I think CAMPBELL should be given a chance behind a better o-line, and an old system.

Off yesterday's performance, I would extend YODER on this team. He's made other plays that have impressed me over the years also. In an uncapped year, maybe he becomes lead blocker/full-back and MIKE SELLERS says good-bye to the REDSKINS.

We're in a position where without draftees or trades, we are almost forced to offer HEYER a contract. STEPHON's restricted status helps the club in his situation. Only people wanting him would offer something we have to match. There was one?

On defense, you sign HUNTER SMITH. No discussion. Do it now. Wait on GANO until the games are over this season and see the final result.

If we land KEITH BULLOCK for SSLB, you move ORAKPO to down DE. PHILLIP DANIELS then becomes expendible with JARMON, a rapidly improving ROB JACKSON, ORAKPO, CARTER, and CHRIS WILSON. But PD might sign another one-year minimum deal. He still enjoys playing. RENALDO WYNN is definitely gone in any scenerio. Thank you RENALDO. You had a great career and we appreciate your valuable contributions to the REDSKINS over the years.

Our d-line would be decimated by losing all three tackles. You sign LORENZO, no question. I would sign both GOLSTON and MONTGOMERY. KEDRICK plays with heart, and although he is undersized, he is a veteran and has value. MONTGOMERY appears to be recovering from the languid malaise he has labored under for years. Maybe the promise he brought when he was drafted will finally take hold of him. One can only hope. Problematic, but I think if given a full-blown chance he might come around.

ROCKY McINTOSH - yes. ROBERT THOMAS - no. Let him go. Go get BULLOCK in FA.

SIGN CARLOS and DOUGHTY. Add DUNTA ROBINSON, and O.J. ATOGWE, if he isn't franchised again. If so pray the ERIC BERRY falls to us in the first round.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Lets not lose sight of the fact that LF is our MVP. The D is fighting b/c he is still there and is essentially irreplacable for the team at this point. Look at the stats - 9+ tackle per game is hard to replace for a team that tackles as poorly as the skins. Rak has delivered a great game statistically -w/o AH playing. However, LF is the guy who delivers regardless of who is playing and never misses games. The team needs a plan to replace him - we likely will not find someone who delivers the consistency via the draft so FA or developing a young player might be the right option.

It must really suck to be a Raiders fan. As much as I dislike D$ and VC, they do have it sooooo much worse.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 14, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I said before the game that if we continue to play at the level we showed against the saints, it would be stupid to disrupt the team by getting a new HC and releasing Campbell. That notion is only reinforced after yesterdays great game.

Even though Zorn seems a little out of his element, it would be remiss to not give him credit for the offensive game plan. Also the players all support him, which means he's doing something right in the locker room, during the week, that maybe we aren't seeing. The kind of support he is getting from his players in a losing season is NOT a given, plenty of other teams would have their locker rooms in chaos with a season like this. So credit Zorn some intangibles there.

So I give Zorn the benefit of the doubt if we keep playing like we are right now. And I say keep the house we've built for next season.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know what Zorn is actually doing on game day. The team has stuck together with guys that actually...practice. That should crystalize certain aspects. The effort is there. I hope they can pull through these last 3 with at least 2 W's. But the public interest in college QB's smacks of business as usual.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 14, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Agree completely with mattylight... I find myself wanting to keep the current system entirely intact - Zorn seems to have built a real team out of a motley crew of veterans, draft picks, and free agents. That has to be worth something. And, for all the talk of his emasculation, how is is role different from Andy Reid's? Andy Reid is an offensive coach who lets the defense do its own thing and has somebody else call the plays. No one outside of Philly is ever calling for his head.

In post-game pressers after the game, I always got the impression that Zorn was so preoccupied with play-calling that he had been unable to actually watch the game - he was always hesitant to speak to anything specific, especially on defense. The past few weeks, though, he's had his head in the game, and, though he's made some calls I've hated (kicking the field goal on third down in Dallas, icing Suisham with the 2 minute warning last week), his game management has improved, and half time adjustments are light-years ahead of where they were.

As I argue his case, I find myself more and more in Zorn's camp. Besides, what did Shanahan ever do without Elway? Why do people think of him as the second coming of Christ? Would we expect a Shanahan offense to put up more than 30 against the Gregg Williams coached Saints? Or to get more production out of second year receivers and castoffs at running back and O-line? Zorn hasn't always been perfect, but it's hard to imagine Shanahan, Cowher, Gibbs, or Belicheck doing any better on offense over the past couple games.

If the team falls apart over the next few, then all bets are off, but, if they can actually hold this thing together and finish strong against playoff-caliber teams, I say keep the team together and draft for need: O-line, O-line, O-line, and maybe RB or FS. And let's keep the playcalling parallelogram intact as well.

Posted by: crashinghero | December 14, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 8:39 AM

I like some of wat you've stated. Here's a few things to mull over.

BULLOCK - will be 32 or 33 next year I believe. If we spend FA $$ @ LB, let's do it with a younger player.

Monty - He's not going to get the reps he wants here with AH and Golston ahead of him. I think we can a #3 DT in the draft for sure, or maybe in FA.

Free Safety- Lots of good talent avaiable in FA (potentially). Along with Atogwe, Nick Collins, Brodney Poole, Bethea, Ryan Clarke, maybe even Kerry Rhodes. So I think the Skins will get their man in FA.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I think we called this one:

Today's redskin performance will be one of complete dominance.

31-14ish.

And then, all week, the folks who hated losing the saints game will complain about how beating the raiders cost us a top 5 draft spot.

Well, I guess you can't please everybody.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 9:15 AM

Now let's await the whining about the clueless head coach, the sorry starting quarterback, the underwhelming defense stars, the no-name running backs, and failing playcalling system.

After all, isn't that what this blog is all about?

HTTR

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone else thoroughly impressed with Gano? Two perfect field goals and GREAT kickoffs. He pins in the corner without kicking out of bounds, putting it just short of the endzone forcing a run out from a bad position.

If he keeps this up, wow what a spectacular pickup for us. We have yet to see if he's "clutch" but I really like what I'm seeing thus far.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I've been saying we'd lose this game all year. Crow's not half bad with the right seasoning.

Gary Gnu will be the greatest kicker in Redskins history. Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 14, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I wish it hadn't come to Cooley getting hurt to find out that Davis could play.

64 points in the last 2 games....thats the offense that I wanted to see all year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

if the next few games go well, then I'm all for keeping Zorn. But I would need for him to embrace Sherm Lewis as a member of the staff. Playcalling has gotten a lot better with him (+1 to Vinny), and Zorn needs to understand that. Maybe his problem was trying to do too much, needed to delegate a litle. Daniel Synder, the grasss is not always greener. Re-sign JC and get him some O-line help this offseason!

Posted by: dolemite1 | December 14, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Observations:

LaRon Landry is an All Pro strong safety.

So move Carlos Rogers to free safety and find another corner.

Mike Williams should start at right guard next season.

Antawn Randle El should not play in another redskin game this year.

Quinton Ganther plus a big back like J Dwyer might be a nice combo next season.

Santana Moss is starting to look very ordinary.

Reed Doughty is a keeper.

Graham Gano has made me forget about the redskin kicking problems.

Brian Orakpo should be the NFC Rookie of the Year.

Andre Carter played well--again--without Prince Al on the field.

Mike Sellars might not be a fullback or redskin next year.

We'll see how good the offensive line is next week when the jints come to town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I really hope Jason will be back. He took a pounding yesterday and looked like he went to the spa for a mud bath since he was pile-driven into the ground so many times. Jason has turned into one of my most favorite players this year because of the criticism and front office hostility he has faced, yet he plays his butt off every week. I love Jason's attitude.

I hope we can keep Jason and fashion this chemistry with the young receiver core with guys like Davis and turn it into clockwork. We all know how much Jason loves the tight ends. When we have both of these ends in a double tight set, we can be unstoppable in the red zone. Snyder MUST maintain some of the consistency we have seen these past couple of weeks.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 14, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Considering that it took till the 5th game of the year at the beginning of the season for the team to break the 64 point barrier.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

We all know how much Jason loves the tight ends...
Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 14, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse


...Don't we all, bro. Don't we all.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 14, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The redskins have safties why do u guys keep on insisting to get a safety Eric berry. Just beacuse he is good at Tennessee dont mean he is a pro bowler in the NFL. Offensive lineman and LB Running back. thats what the skins need. No more defensive players unless its some corners

Posted by: chinngy23 | December 14, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

moe, lots of good points, agreed on most of them as well, moving moss to the slot will boost his career, and looking at BMW, next to other guys on the field, he's just a big cat...get him with PDaniels in the offseason, and lets get him strong...I think Ganther stays, he's got a habit of 'finishing' runs, he punish's tacklers...that 46 yarder ran right down main street didn't it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Progress is progress. Gibbs 2.0 took teams that were 6-10 and 5-11 and turned them around to 10-6 and 9-7 playoff teams. I'd be interested to see what we would look like next season with some continuity (and, of course, an infusion of youth along the offensive line). Not falling into the "we're 1-2 players away" trap, but I don't think we're hopelessly far away either.

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Now let's await the whining about the clueless head coach, the sorry starting quarterback, the underwhelming defense stars, the no-name running backs, and failing playcalling system.

After all, isn't that what this blog is all about?

HTTR

Posted by: MistaMoe

I was glad to see the hometeam win yesterday. But it was the Raiders they beat, AND they're still a FOUR win team after playing for THIRTEEN weeks. Just because they won yesterday can't make me forget about the other NINE losses.


Again, yes they won. But it that win enough to forget about Zorn's ineptitude? I don't think so.

Everything else you listed I'm actually encouraged about. Not saying that this is the long term answer, but the signing of Levi Jones and plugging Mike Williams in at guard improved the play of the offensive line.

Last week Jason Campbell showed that he can be an above average QB to a good QB. I'm definitely with the "Bring 'em back" crowd. With expected improvements on the offensive line and the continued development of guys like Thomas, Davis, Kelly, and now Ganther -- add in guys like Moss and Cooley, this team could be up for big things next year.

They definitely need to bring back "the Sherm heads" next season. Play calling has been very good when he's not involved with the offense.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"Snyder MUST maintain some of the consistency we have seen these past couple of weeks."

And here we are.

The next two games should determine the direction the team moves in.

The jints and cowboys ain't what they were two months ago.

Beating both or either of these teams is very important for those of us who want stability.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Thats why the redskins continue to suck every year b/c they see the Flavor of the Month and they wanna go and get that person . FS is not the problem. Landry will be a SS next year along with horton. Doughty and Moore will be free safety. lets stick with the core guys we got and see what happens. o lineman is needed. Linebacker is needed and corners. and a runningback

Posted by: chinngy23 | December 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Another observation: I no longer care that we didn't draft Michael Oher. Orakpo is a beast, should be for the next 7-10 years. Yes, we needed a tackle in the draft, but how can you be upset to get a guy who might be near the league lead in sacks for the better part of the next decade?

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I am glad to see people supporting Campbell. He wasn't ever the problem. Where are all the Cutler fans? :)

Anyway, the Redskins have played well enough the past 5 weeks to have won all 5 games. I am glad they are learning how to finish.

I think they should do their best to keep continuity while upgrading the Oline...

Remember when the Redskins couldn't score 20 points? 4 of the last 5 games resulted in 20+ (the low being 24; the last two games being 30+). I remember hearing that it takes 3 years to learn the West Coast offense. Next year would be 3...

Posted by: moosepod | December 14, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

For those missing SSprings from Don Banks:

Speaking of veteran free-agent acquisitions who have done little to earn their money in New England, Shawn Springs actually started at cornerback for the Patriots against Carolina, his first action in a month.

Alas, his luck didn't hold. He briefly left the game with an injury, then returned in time to surrender a 41-yard Matt Moore touchdown pass to Steve Smith.


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

BG it shouldn't have come down to Cooley's injury. Why did it take Sherm Lewis to figure out that plays needed to be designed for Davis, Thomas, and Kelly so that the offense could expand? JZ had his head up his arse about his offense, that's why. I'm not buying into keeping JZ. If the team wants continuity, get a guy who is ready for the HC position and stick with him. If Shanny is available and willing to come, I'd take him 10 times out of 10 over JZ. Shanny has had a whole year off, studying offenses and personnel, designing plays. C'mon man, IMO it's a no brainer.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Since MistMoe gave his observations, I'll post mine.

1)ARE should be the first cut at the end of the season.

2)Ganther is a keeper. Do not use an early pick on a rb in the draft unless something falls to us.

3)Andre Carter having a great season, will finish his contract out it seems.

4)Jason looks better and better, keep him.

5)Levi is not bad at LT, but I see we run more to the right than the left now.

6)Who knew Big Mike was a guard after all this time? +1 to Vinny and Dock for getting him.

7)Looks like Vinny may keep his job. Was the problem the players Vinnie got, or the coaching? You decide. The o-line though is all on him.

8)Carlos can still play, he just needs to stop pouting. Hall got the money cause he gets picks Carlos!

9)If Landry is not made the SS then someone needs to be fired.

10)The Redskins won and Dallas lost! This should have been the 1st post!

Posted by: dolemite1 | December 14, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The redskins have safties why do u guys keep on insisting to get a safety Eric berry. Just beacuse he is good at Tennessee dont mean he is a pro bowler in the NFL. Offensive lineman and LB Running back. thats what the skins need. No more defensive players unless its some corners

Posted by: chinngy23 | December 14, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

All safeties are not created equal. Our safeties are all strong safeties. They can play really well up on the line but they have issues in coverage. The defensive scheme we play requires a very fast free safety that can cover a lot of ground quickly. That's why Landry is back there in the first place. He's by far the fastest but he just isn't a free safety. He can't cover. Eric Berry runs a 4.3 40 yard dash and he can cover well. He is used to being in coverage and is pretty good at it. He would be a great fit in our system. He has the specific necessary physical attrubtes to fit this scheme perfectly. He would be a pro bowler here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Oh and stop with the CC47 trade stuff... That would be insanity. The need for tight ends around the league isn't huge so return would be minimum. Then if Sleepy got hurt... I say we use a two tight end set = run to either side, short passing game gets better.

Also, excellent point mattylight. O-Sack-po has already shown his worth this season.

Posted by: moosepod | December 14, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

When Gano made the 46 yard FG in the mud (one that Suisham would miss 5 times out of 10), my first thought was thank god, now JReid will hopefully STFU.

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

yeah, the mindset that now that we have Davis playing well, means to trade cooley is just so very short-sighted...keep both, and USE both...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

chinngy23 here's the thing about Berry, the draftniks are projecting him as an all pro at CB as well. Berry and Suh are the two best players in the draft. I say all that, IMO if Okung and Berry are there, I'd take Okung.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Zorn still needs to go. Yesterday's win was nice, but it doesn't change my opinion of Zorn.

The only reason he wasn't a factor yesterday was because once the Redskins broke the game open in the second half, there was no opportunity for Zorn to screw it up with one of his bizarro coaching decisions late in the game.

Get him out of here, and make sure ARE goes with him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"...moving S Moss to the slot will boost his career..."

That would mean Kelly is your 'X' receiver.

Thing is, he's yet to show he can be the kind of threat that dictates coverage.

For Moss to be moved into the slot, the light would have to come on for Kelly--or Mitchell.

That gives a 3-wide formation possiblity of Kelly-Moss-Davis/Cooley-Thomas next season.

Now, the team could draft wr-Dez Bryant OK State and have an immediate impact big 'X' receiver who fights for the ball.

But that would upset folks in this blog.

Or would it?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

chinngy23 here's the thing about Berry, the draftniks are projecting him as an all pro at CB as well. Berry and Suh are the two best players in the draft. I say all that, IMO if Okung and Berry are there, I'd take Okung.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I agree, we need Okung more and they are both very very talented. The Eric Berry talk is coming about in the event that the Lions take Okung and we can not trade back. If we are still at #6 or #7 and Okung is gone who do you take? Is that too high to take Bruce Campbell? He has had some injuries. Is it too high for Brian Bulaga? If Eric Berry is still on the table at #7 overall and Okung is gone I think you take him. Let's be honest, our secondary is getting beaten badly. We need tackles but this is at least a 2 year plan. What if we got a tackle in the second round this year and got a tackle in the first next year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

And we'll know if this team has really turned the corner the next two weeks.

Both games are at home against division rivals, both are an opportunity to derail the Giants and Cowgirls playoff chances, and more importantly, it's an opportunity to beat two teams that really aren't much better than the Redskins.

If they do that, and go 2-1 (I don't really care about the Chargers game), I'll be impressed.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

We do need to cut ARE, he's becoming a liability. Dropped passes are bad enough, but failing to catch a punt is inexcusable. It already cost us one game. I'd rather see Marko in the lineup than ARE.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Now, the team could draft wr-Dez Bryant OK State and have an immediate impact big 'X' receiver who fights for the ball.

But that would upset folks in this blog.

Or would it?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 9:27 AM |

Hell yeah it would!!

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Graham "I Win" (espanol) Gano.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I think flounder mentioned yesterday that had the very makeable kicks been made against NO/Dallas, yesterday would have been the 6th win for this team.....oh well I guess....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I said that because there were people saying it was only the Raiders and they suck.

They forgot how well we played in those two games against good teams.

I hate the fact that they couldn't play like this earlier in the year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 14, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

At this point I would assume that ARE will be using the next few weeks to audition for another job. In 2 years he will be on Dancing with the Stars, or maybe he'll be the honorable Reverend Randel-El.

I think the 'Skins should start planning for next year. I would see if I could get Mitchell and Kelly involved more. Hopefully one of them would have the cliche "light came on" moment and would just get it. That would allow a "Santana to slot" move that I think would be devastating to most Nickle defenses.

Posted by: moosepod | December 14, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

yeah, I hate how this offense used to operate...I mean, give VC credit for bringing in Sherm, because thats worked out very well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I think we can beat the Giants and Boys and really ruin their playoff chances, but 6 wins probably puts us drafting 8 or 9 and gives us no chance at Okung. We need to get the best OL we can in the first and second then draft RB in the 4th.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 14, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-not sure if someone has already made note of this.....but one of my "knocks" on J.C. was his inability to get the team a score when it's needed. As in the final 2 minutes-which doomed us the last few weeks. Now, I've been a supporter of his from Day 1 and think he's good enough to be a winner. Not a rescue from defeat type, but....
SO-I was thrilled to see him take us downfield with 1:48 on the clock at the end of the first half and get a t.d.I know-1ST half.....but it's another barrier crossed.We needed that score and J.C. got it.Kudos.
While he may not be "THE Man" a la Brees, Brady, Manning or Rivers....he IS "A Man"-and that's better than most.
And who knows....he might just be a late bloomer who eventually joins the elite. Most heartening thing of the season for me.
Go D.C.!

Posted by: zendo | December 14, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

JC is really coming on. Good job to whomever is coaching him up.

From the Times:


With the Redskins leading 17-13, Ganther's 1-yard touchdown run extended the lead to 11 points, and on the next play from scrimmage, LaRon Landry intercepted JaMarcus Russell at the Oakland 41.

At the line, quarterback Jason Campbell audibled out of a run when Oakland presented an eight-man front to blitz, and he found Moss for a 30-yard gain down the left sideline.

"We had one play on, and they gave us a defense that was going to take that away, so I audibled to a pass when I saw Santana one-on-one, and he did a great job of making the catch," Campbell said.

Said offensive assistant Chris Meidt: "An awesome audible."

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The Redskins led 17-10 at halftime on Gano's 46-yard field goal sandwiched by Davis' touchdown catches of 6 and 17 yards. The second score (Davis' team-high fifth) was set up by 30 of Oakland's 118 penalty yards.

"Basically, I was the third read," he said. "We really hadn't taken that shot to the corner before today."

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I hope Haynesworth is back for MNF. I really, REALLY want to beat the Giants.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I think we can beat the Giants and Boys and really ruin their playoff chances, but 6 wins probably puts us drafting 8 or 9 and gives us no chance at Okung. We need to get the best OL we can in the first and second then draft RB in the 4th.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 14, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about that. I see Detroit and Buffalo as the only 2 taking Okung.

1. Cleveland - Just took Joe Thomas
2. St. Louis - Just took Jason Smith
3. Tampa Bay - Will take Suh
4. Detroit - Should take Okung but likes Backus for some unknown reason. This is by far our biggest road block to getting Okung. They may also go defensive tackle here. They need a lot of help on defense. I could see Eric Berry going here as well.
5. Kansas City just took Brandon Albert
6. Buffalo - Will take Okung but may opt for Sam Bradford instead. This is our other potential road block.
7. Oakland - I have faith in Al Daivs not taking Okung with Taylor Mays or Eric Berry still on the board. He may even take Bruce Campbell over Okung. Campbell will have a great combine.
8. Washington may end up with Okung if Detroit takes Berry and Buffalo takes Bradford.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 I read where the Chiefs want to move Albert back to Guard the position he played in college, so Okung could indeed be on their radar.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

When Gano made the 46 yard FG in the mud (one that Suisham would miss 5 times out of 10), my first thought was thank god, now JReid will hopefully STFU.

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

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yep. Good start for the kid. The funny part is, for all the jokes about las Vegas locos, the man was the best kicker in college last year and has more awards to his credit than the beloved swish ever did. Now let's keep it rolling, Gano!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 14, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Graham "I Win" (espanol) Gano.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 9:34 AM

Espanol is tricker than that. It depends which syllable has the accent. If it's

GA-no, then it's "I win"

but if it's ga-NO, then it's "you win."

Yesterday the announcers pronounced it ga-NO, but they also couldn't pronounce Orakpo, so who knows what his name is?

Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

League-source - It's been a while since Spanish, but I thought 'You win' would be Ganes, or Gane?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I've heard that Tony Dungy wants to get back into coaching(heard it on espn).I'm not sure he would come here i'm not even sure Napoleon er i mean "Mini Me" damn i mean Snyder would hire Dungy what do you think? Looking for some input HBO!(HELP A BRUTHA OUT!).

Posted by: dargregmag | December 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"This is by far our biggest road block to getting Okung."


The biggest stumbling block to getting Okung is a frint office that hasn't drafted a linemen in the 1st round--ever.

The team may look at the line it has now, and decide it has needs elsewhere.

Plus, there are suitible options in round 2 should Okung not be there.

After watching C Johnson breakaway runs and how the raiders used McFadden as a running back, then receiver, I still want speed.

And that's why Spiller in round one and a linemen in round two is the way I prefer to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Scene & Heard
Nothing’s cheap in Jerry’s place
By Chris Jenkins, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, December 14, 2009 at 1:34 a.m.

On a sunny December day in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, the retractable roof at gigantic Cowboys Stadium is open for the game between the Chargers and Dallas Cowboys.

Yeah, that darned economy: Obviously, times are even tougher in Texas, where they could summon only $1.15 billion for their sparse new football field. The other price to be paid for Cowboys games? There’s the Green Chile Kobe Burger, a mere $13. A cheesesteak will set you back a tenner. You know what else can be had for a few bucks? Jerry Jones has yet to find anybody able and willing to buy naming rights to Cowboys Stadium for a paltry sum of, say, $400 million. Hard times, man. Hard times.

Road trip: Troy Sherry, 23, a Chula Vista native and Eastlake High alum who now lives in Seattle and works for a Mariners affiliate, chose this game for his road trip of the year. “I came to see this stadium, not necessarily the game,” he said. “If I wanted to see a game, I probably would have gone to San Diego next week for the Cincinnati game.” Getting tickets was no problem because, well, there are so many of them. The face value of the tickets scored by Sherry and a friend was $340, though clearly, they had to fork over more than that. Good seats? “They’re OK — club seats, 10-yard line, over in the corner,” said Sherry. “Then there was the $40 it cost to park and the half-mile walk to the stadium from there.”

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

to all my fans who criticized me for sleeping late on my first day, f uck you.

fred 'formerly sleepy, now the sandman' davis

to my critics, f uck you - jason 'the warrior' Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

And that's why Spiller in round one and a linemen in round two is the way I prefer to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I could see that but I could also see linemen rounds 1 and 2 and a speedy back in round 4. What if Noel Devine falls to the 4th? Then you pair him with Ganther. I guess if we run a multiple back system then round 4 is where I'd go for a specialist. I think either approach would work. The Ideal would be to trade back in the first and get Spiller and a good left tackle like Bulaga but that may be a pipe dream.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Gano did well, there were no 'clutch' ops, but he did very well.

sign him for 5 years and start focusing on the real football players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I think we can beat the Giants and Boys and really ruin their playoff chances, but 6 wins probably puts us drafting 8 or 9 and gives us no chance at Okung. We need to get the best OL we can in the first and second then draft RB in the 4th.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 14, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about that. I see Detroit and Buffalo as the only 2 taking Okung.

1. Cleveland - Just took Joe Thomas
2. St. Louis - Just took Jason Smith
3. Tampa Bay - Will take Suh
4. Detroit - Should take Okung but likes Backus for some unknown reason. This is by far our biggest road block to getting Okung. They may also go defensive tackle here. They need a lot of help on defense. I could see Eric Berry going here as well.
5. Kansas City just took Brandon Albert
6. Buffalo - Will take Okung but may opt for Sam Bradford instead. This is our other potential road block.
7. Oakland - I have faith in Al Daivs not taking Okung with Taylor Mays or Eric Berry still on the board. He may even take Bruce Campbell over Okung. Campbell will have a great combine.
8. Washington may end up with Okung if Detroit takes Berry and Buffalo takes Bradford.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

The problem is - no matter where we draft, our flippin' front office will go after a QB - not an O lineman - it's not a "sexy" pick. So the further back we get the better in my opinion - hopefully Clausen will be gone before we pick - and McCoy too.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis will always be known as 'Sleepy' like the one kid you grew up with was always known as 'booger' because he kept a snotty booger filled nose.

And if Davis does turns out to be a beast at least you're nicknaming a player that's productive.

Scrubs don't get nicknames. They're just categorized: BUST.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 14, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

pabrian, you're right. Can't wait for Malcolm to get his too. Just hope the front office stupidity doesn't end up driving these guys out of town.

Btw, HOW WAS CUTLER YESTERDAY??? I hope we realize if we had that clown, these okung/spiller/suh/Bryant whoever debates would be irrelevant.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 14, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Anything other than an O-lineman would be devastating. A good RB can be taken in the 2nd-4th rounds. Blount from Oregon will probably be around.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

League-source - It's been a while since Spanish, but I thought 'You win' would be Ganes, or Gane?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 10:05 AM

Yeah, I got the tense wrong.

ga-NO = you (formal) won
GA-ne, GA-nes = you (formal, familiar) win (command, as in "Just win, baby")

and

SUISS-ham = "but, I thought it was my job?"

Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

hmmmmmm

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 14, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

TWISI -

I'm on the Shanahan BAndwagon now as well.

I am also on the bandwagon of a rumor that finally makes sense.

Sherm Lewis was no coincidence. (They have a connection with Bill Walash and San Fran) He was picked by Shanahan to start to install his (Shanny's) vision of the WCO.

Vinny stays. Defensive staff stays. Shanahan's 28 yr old Son will be the OC (he currently coaches for the Texans).

Championship in 3 years or less.

Book it.

Whose with me?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

taking a rb is just foolish to me....didn't Ganther work out just fine yesterday?? bigger issues on this team than RB. Get a stud OL, and RB takes care of itself...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The biggest stumbling block to getting Okung is a frint office that hasn't drafted a linemen in the 1st round--ever.

The team may look at the line it has now, and decide it has needs elsewhere.

Plus, there are suitible options in round 2 should Okung not be there.

After watching C Johnson breakaway runs and how the raiders used McFadden as a running back, then receiver, I still want speed.

And that's why Spiller in round one and a linemen in round two is the way I prefer to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe

This would make me happy in pants. Although, I think if Okung is there, we HAVE to take him over Spiller. If Okung is gone, (and Suh), it should be Spiller, and a tackle top 2nd round.

The only thing I'm nervous about is, we need 2 new lineman for next year. There's not much out there in free agency. 2 starting tackles would be great....or a center and tackle. Center is slim pickings in draft and FA tho.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Scrubs don't get nicknames. They're just categorized: BUST.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 14, 2009 10:17 AM

Double Move

50/50

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Championship in 3 years or less.

Book it.

Whose with me?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:25 AM


Hope you're right, but I don't see it.

I think Shanahan is a lock to go to Chicago. His protege Cutler is there already and he's from the Windy City. Bears are desperate for an offense worth a damn...the only way it doesn't happen is if the Bears are so cheap that they don't fire Lovie.

Cowher's almost certainly gonna be the new coach in Carolina, so that leaves Holmgren, Gruden, and Billick as the big name Super Bowl winners. I can only see Billick saying yes to Snyder.

Not ready to go on record with a Billick prediction, but I can definitely see the Skins doing something nobody's expecting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Double Move

50/50

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Receiver, The

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Anything other than an O-lineman would be devastating. A good RB can be taken in the 2nd-4th rounds. Blount from Oregon will probably be around.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't know. I mean if you really look at this as a 2 year fix then you could get away with taking Spiller in the first. The problem with this year's draft is that there is only 1 elite tackle. After Russell Okung there is about 6-8 good prospects. Many of them will still be around in the second and 1 may drop to the 4th. You can't deny that Spiller is a better overall prospect than any tackle other than Okung. So in terms of getting more bang for your buck you take spiller if he's there. We take a tackle in the second and look for another tackle in free agency or draft 1 in 2011. I wouldn't be mad if we took spiller or eric berry in the first round. It should be oline but sometimes the player just doesn't match the pick. We shouldn't be reaching too badly just to fill a need.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I will say that I liked the agressive nature of the defense yesterday....that was good to see...I thought that Landry played well, which was good to see, and I also thought that there was a concerted effort by the cb/s not to bite on the double moves...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I just hope they don't get rid of Sherm Lewis

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Ganther was and has been extremely impressive. I have revised my plan for the offseason. It still centers around the execution of Vinny and Randel el but draft strategy has shifted.

Hire competent GM.
Let GM choose coach.
Re-sign Rogers, Ganther, Campbell, Levi and any other of our pending FAs on defense.

Allow Samuels, Thomas, Daniels and Wynn to retire. Cut Betts, Rock, and Randel El.

Sign a FS and a SLB in FA. If a sign a tackle and a guard in the 3-5 year vet range that have some starting experience.

Draft:
OT
QB
Speed back
WR
OT

Hopefully the 1st rounder can start at LT and Levi can start at RT. Heyer and the signed FA tackle along with the late rounder provide quality depth. The QB (hopefully Tony Pike) sits for a year behind Campbell who is officially out of excuses with emerged weapons from the infamous 2nd rounders, cooley back, a healthy running game with Ganther, CP, and the drafted speed back (hopefully Devine from WVU) all getting carries used in a committee style. If Campbell performs then great, you have a good starter with a developing young guy as a quality backup. If he doesn't then the next year you let him go and give the young guy a shot. On defense, Landry moves full-time to SS thanks to the FS signing and Orakpo goes full time to DE thanks to the SLB signing to team with Carter as the annual most dangerous sack tandem while Haynesworth dominates in the middle. Boom Boom....firepower!

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Set at receivers, Ok at O line, running back, blocking back, punter, kicker and great shape on defense. So stockpile draft choices and trade Cooley, Portis, Randy Thomas, Sellers, Betts, Chris Samuels and Cartwright. Zorn out, Blache out, Gruden in, Sherm Lewis Offensive Coordinator. Jerry Gray Defensive coordinator, Vinnie equipment manager. Not rocket science folks. Easy.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 14, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Please let someone else draft McCoy and Clausen. Jason is really starting to look like a QB.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys - sorry if this has been discussed already or not, but do you know when they decide to move our Sunday pm game against Dallas? Just trying to figure out if I'll be able to use the tickets or not - and if they move it to 1pm from 8pm, that may make a difference. I feel like they did it more than a week in advance two years ago when we got flexed to the primetime game, but I cannot remember. But it is the Cowboys, so maybe they think everyone still cares about them.

Thanks!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok, regarding this draft talk, anything other than taking LT/RT with the first 2 picks is abject failure....Move Levi to RT, and start the rook LT. Heyer is the backup LT, and the rookie backs up Jones. RB will sort itself out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Championship in 3 years or less.

Book it.

Whose with me?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:25 AM


I with you. Is that the SB in Dallas? Wouldn't that be something.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Ok, regarding this draft talk, anything other than taking LT/RT with the first 2 picks is abject failure....Move Levi to RT, and start the rook LT. Heyer is the backup LT, and the rookie backs up Jones. RB will sort itself out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse
I second that

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I was impressed by Gano when he hit the 46 yard FG down the middle, with ease, and the next kick off right to the 1/2 yard line, in the corner.

He's a keeper!

The Skins have to adjust the coverage team to run to the 10-15 yard line now instead stopping on the 20...

Posted by: siris | December 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys - sorry if this has been discussed already or not, but do you know when they decide to move our Sunday pm game against Dallas? Just trying to figure out if I'll be able to use the tickets or not - and if they move it to 1pm from 8pm, that may make a difference. I feel like they did it more than a week in advance two years ago when we got flexed to the primetime game, but I cannot remember. But it is the Cowboys, so maybe they think everyone still cares about them.

Thanks!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

They'll decide soon -- and that game is definitely gonna get replaced by something else. No chance they have an 8-6 Dallas vs. 4-10 or 5-9 Skins game in primetime. Usually they announce two weeks prior, correct? Anyone?

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Championship in 3 years or less.

Book it.

Whose with me?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:25 AM


I with you. Is that the SB in Dallas? Wouldn't that be something.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

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Oh - I would SO be there!!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse
I second that

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:43 AM

3rd! We have all our marquee players that we need.

Then, we need to stack up on OLBs ASAP...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Bean - what if Okung isn't there with our first pick? Is there anybody else worth reaching for at #8-#10?

If Okung is gone I wouldn't mind trading down if possible, or Spiller then LT in #2.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Mattylight - That's what I was thinking (re: Dallas game), but the only potentially interesting games looks like Jacksonville/Patriots that weekend. Who knows - since they keep making a huge deal about the Cowboys' play in December, they may want to provide them a national game to humiliate themselves!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I with you. Is that the SB in Dallas? Wouldn't that be something.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 10:42 AM

That's the Super Bowl at the end of next season. And yes, the Skins playing in that Super Bowl is my dream. To clutch a Lombardi in Jerry's house would be TOO sweet!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The Skins started to win after Levi Jones started at LT; which solidified the OL and gave Campbell the opportunity to get to the 2nd and 3rd reads. They are scoring 30+ points per game after Williams returned from injury and started at RG. Now Campbell can go through all his progressions and even has time to run or throw the ball away if everyone is covered.

Improved OL play == Better Offense

Which also allowed Lewis to call a more aggressive passing game...

Posted by: siris | December 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Can we get a 1st and a 2nd for Cooley, or a 1st and a 3rd?

We could stack the o-line, grab a RB, and I think we'd be straight

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 14, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If we beat The Giants and Dallas, hopefully crushing one or both of their playoff hopes, then this season will not have been played for nothing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Mattylight - That's what I was thinking (re: Dallas game), but the only potentially interesting games looks like Jacksonville/Patriots that weekend. Who knows - since they keep making a huge deal about the Cowboys' play in December, they may want to provide them a national game to humiliate themselves!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't mind that -- would love to end their season on national TV -- but I bet they flex the Denver - Philly game, or provided Miami and Houston both win this week, that game. Maybe even Jets or Colts...

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I'm sure after the combine/pro-days, someone will stand out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

p.s. if anyone thinks Heyer is a starting caliber RT they are lying to themselves...we cannot lose sight of the fact that the o-line is the first priority

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 14, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

No NFL Gm would give a 1st and a 2nd for Cooley. Maybe a 3rd. Plus Cooley needs to stay. Get rid of ARE and maybe even Moss. Marko, Devin, Malcolm, Davis, Cooley,Yoder, Ganther, new rookie RB. Thats plenty of weapons.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 14, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg, how bad are Pats fans losing it over Moss quitting? I kinda like the Dolphins to come back and win that division again.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Answered my own question by looking at nfl.com - they will give 12 days notice (so tomorrow) if they decide to flex a game.

Interestingly though, in week 17, they only have to give 6 days notice - which makes sense, but still sort of stinks to find out Monday that the game time moved.

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not on the draft a RB bandwagon. We've been scoring points and have been competitive for a few weeks now, and though we've blown in in the 4th quarter during a few games I never walked away thinking "if we only had a running game..."

Look at how many unheralded RB's the Denver offensive line made look great. Build the offensive line -- trade back and take a tackle later in the 1st if Okung isn't there, and keep Ganther, Mason, etc. around. With all the weapons we have at our disposal for next season, RB is the least of our concerns, IMO...

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Off season moves.....please:
1. Cut ARE please......
2. Draft Russell Okung OT from Tenn. with # 1 pick.
3. Sign JC....have you checked out Cutler lately?
4. Get a SSLB via free agency and make Osackpo a full time DE.
5. Move Santana Moss to the slot and make Kelly and Marko Mitchell share time as # 2 WR.
6. Move Landry to SS and get a SS via free agency.
7. Keep Cooley and Fred Davis
8. Release Portis
9. Keep Levi Jones
10. Give Ganther the starting RB position. He has sure hands and bursting speed.
11. Do not fool yourself.....we need a new head coach.
12. Give London Fletcher the key to the city for keeping this team together.

etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: bricklacey | December 14, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I just think we need for draft picks for the oline, and even the secondary. Cooley is great, but if he's starting, how much time is Davis really going to get?

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 14, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The Bears had 59 yards rushing. They burned two timeouts on one play when they lost a replay challenge. And in the fourth quarter, when he had a chance to put the team on his back, Cutler was 5-for-11 for 35 yards and an interception.
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Our front office tried to get this guy for:
Campbell
Orakpo
Barnes
Next years first rounder

unbelievable

Posted by: AdamCr | December 14, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Suzanne, I wouldn't worry...nobody's gonna move a Redskins/Cowboys game. They don't stick that matchup on primetime for nothing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Suisham?

That might be all for Folk
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 14, 2009 10:57 AM ET
Finding a holder with a larger profile didn't change the fortunes of Cowboys kicker Nick Folk Sunday.

Folk went one-for-two in field goals Sunday, missing from 42 yards out. He's three-of-nine over his last five games, which would be a good average if this was baseball. Folk hasn't hit a kick over 36 yards during his recent slump.

"If you aren't going to make all of them, you've got to make a certain percentage," coach Wade Phillips said after the game. "He's not making that certain percentage right now."

Phillips admitted the team will look at all their options. One option could be to use kickoff specialist David Buehler. But Buehler ... Buehler said recently he hasn't even been practicing field goals much this season.

To recap: The Cowboys are carrying two kickers on their roster and neither one can kick field goals.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

brown, the media is lighting up moss and rightfully so, however seems like the coach, who went and failed again on 4th down, is getting spared any angst.....

sweet, sweet, music to my ears....Adalius Thomas situation as well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

To recap: The Cowboys are carrying two kickers on their roster and neither one can kick field goals.


Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I hope to God they sign Suisham and then watch him miss a 41-yd FG as time expires to lose to the Skins!

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Good to see everyone in a good mood after the win...

JC played well, Ganther is legit, Davis is legit, MOSS and ARE are looking like has beens and for the love of GOD please keep Landry at SS

I hope they are smart enough to work something out with JC, possibly restructure Portis and focus on building depth now.

The other big question is will Sherman Lewis stay after the year or does he go back to Retirement, same with Blache - whom by the way - WHERE THE HELL HAS That Defensive scheme BEEN.

If Portis comes back next year healthy, I think I would really like to see Ganther/ Portis in the backfield running with some Mason or Cartwright filling in, but it looks like Rock is gone next year.

I love DT11 returning kicks, it seems to really get him ready for the rest of the game.

I still think with Davis playing so well, that Cooley is expendable, I know Greg is going to fight me on this, but I dont want to see Sleepy fall off.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 14, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I thought you'd enjoy that, Greg. Can't believe Belichick comes out of this unscathed...you'd think people would start remembering the mess he was in Cleveland now that the polish is coming off.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Off season moves.....please:

2. Draft Russell Okung OT from Tenn. with # 1 pick.

Posted by: bricklacey

Thers a Russell Okung on Tennessee too?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I hope to God they sign Suisham and then watch him miss a 41-yd FG as time expires to lose to the Skins!

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse
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the suisham lovers will be disappointed when he isn't even brought in for a tryout. It's crazy though, didn't folk make a recent pro bowl?

Posted by: AdamCr | December 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Cooley should be traded for picks or an olineman, there's no doubt about that. Davis is much younger and coming into his own. We probably shouldnt have drafted him given we have Cooley, but we did draft him and he can play.

No use having him sit on the bench taking space. Trade Cooley for sure.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

JC has shown progress.....

But, I would still like to see him finish close games when it's on the QB, which still hasn't....

That being said, bring him back next year as a RFA....Dump Collins, and bring a Mid-Level Rounder (between 3rd - 5th round).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo is a monster and needs to win All Rookie, STUD.

Rocky Mac has looked pretty good too, he is in a contract year as well, isnt he?

Be nice if we could figure out how to get MK12 more involved in the game, but JC loves to throw behind that kid.

Trade Cooley, get a good pick for him and lets see what Davis and Yoder can do, I like them both. Not sure Cooley will have any value after his injury...

Anyone else think S. Moss has been pouting lately on the field with the attention DT11 is getting? He seems to be loafing and kind playing differently.

For love of god, please cut ARE right now! Do we need him for anything, I dont think so, if he goes back to return another punt, someone needs to take away Zorn's lil green bag.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 14, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The 'trade cooley' comments are just mind-boggling to me...it doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation does it?? I mean, can't you use BOTH guys...heck, can't you even use them BOTH at the same time??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Set at receivers, Ok at O line, running back, blocking back, punter, kicker and great shape on defense. So stockpile draft choices and trade Cooley, Portis, Randy Thomas, Sellers, Betts, Chris Samuels and Cartwright. Zorn out, Blache out, Gruden in, Sherm Lewis Offensive Coordinator. Jerry Gray Defensive coordinator, Vinnie equipment manager. Not rocket science folks. Easy.

Posted by: getitritegov |

HUH??? Sellers JUST signed a new contract....Samuels most likely will retire (and he would NOT be cut - he is a perennial Pro Bowl player!)...Cooley is beloved and his jersey sales bring in lots of $$$...and most importantly, Gruden has signed a NEW contract with ESPN. He is NOT available!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe Belichick comes out of this unscathed...you'd think people would start remembering the mess he was in Cleveland now that the polish is coming off.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:12 AM

Guy's won four AFC championships and three Super Bowls since leaving Cleveland. Maybe the chowdah heads cut him some slack with that resume? Probably 25+ teams in the league would gladly swap the coach they got for the coach the Patriots got -- even with "the polish coming off."

Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

No to trading Cooley. Not now anyway. You trade guys when their value is high, not after a season-ending injury. Plus, having two stud TE's would be a matchup nightmare for opposing D-Coordinators. Double-TE sets should in theory help the running game as well.

Next...

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

That being said, bring him back next year as a RFA....Dump Collins, and bring a Mid-Level Rounder (between 3rd - 5th round).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 11:16 AM

There's already a project QB on the roster. His name is Colt Brennan.

Keep JC, dump Collins, get local boy Byron Leftwich as the backup. No draft picks required for any of those moves.

And stop all the "trade Cooley" stuff, people. Unless there's two starting O-lineman involved, no realistic trade offer will be worth it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Gruden has signed a NEW contract with ESPN. He is NOT available!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 11:18 AM |

And you don't think his ESPN contract has a clause regarding coaching in the NFL?

Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Cooley is beloved and his jersey sales bring in lots of $$$"

Yes, its not a good day unless someone mentions jersey sales....cuz thats a BIG-BREAD winner for NFL teams...or..not actually...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I still think you get o-line even if Okung is gone. There must be more than 1 starting LT in the draft, and they will probably emerge by draft time.

Besides the obvious reasons, solidifying the o-line could put to bed the Campbell issue. Once he doesn't have constant pressure as an excuse, he can be judged fairly. I believe he will thrive with 2 more seconds per play.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

VINNIE's picks since he's been "freed" by SNYDER.

2008 DRAFT:

DEVIN THOMAS - 2
FRED DAVIS - 2
MALCOLM KELLY - 2
CHAD RINEHART - 3
JUSTIN TRYON - 4
DURANT BROOKS - 5
KAREEM MOORE - 6
COLT BRENNAN - 6
ROB JACKSON - 7
CHRIS HORTON - 7 Supplemental

2009:

BRIAN ORAKPO - 1
KEVIN BARNES - 3
CODY GLENN - 5
ROBERT HENSON - 6
EDWIN WILLIAMS - 7
MARKO MITCHELL - 7 Supplemental

JEREMY JARMON - 3 in 2010
HUNTER SMITH - FA
GRAHAN GANO - FA

I probably missed someone. VC has not hit on much in the fifth round in two tries, but he's delivering otherwise. Anything from four on down is a crap-shoot anyway. Look at what he's brought in via the draft at four and below.

KEEPERS:

JUSTIN TRYON - I never thought I'd say it.
KAREEM MOORE - I'm clueless I guess.
COLT BRENNAN - No chance to play. Doesn't fit in a structured system. He's a BRETT FAVRE-type of offensive player who needs to free-lance.
ROB JACKSON - coming into his own ala CHRIS WILSON.
CHRIS HORTON - great run defense, good coverage skills, but hurt too much.
EDWIN WILLIAMS - solid future contributor
MARKO MITCHELL - great potential. Must play to develop. Will take ARE's slot.

BUST OUTS:

DURANT BROOKS - wasted pick, but VC learned. Got HUNTER SMITH as a replacement. Check.
CODY GLENN - Funky.
ROBERT HENSON - the odd-man out in the LB derby. We need a strong OLB so BRIAN can consistantly get his hands in the dirt.

Pretty good average. MITCHELL could become a big star in this league, but he's got to fight the 2-pick trio. I see him here, and ARE a ghost next year. In two years, I think EDWIN WILLIAMS could make people ask RANDY who?

NOW, how has the VINNSTER done with picks who should contribute in a big way for this club, namely, first, second, third rounders.

ROUND 1:

BRIAN ORAKPO - wow, bling, bling, bling!!!!

ROUND 2:

DEVIN THOMAS - producing solid numbers once he committed to the program here.

FRED DAVIS - giving CC a real run for his money, offensively at least.

MALCOLM KELLY - slow, but steady progress.

ROUND 3:

CHAD RINEHART - problematic at best.

KEVIN BARNES - showing signs of life in a one-dimensional way. Unfortunately, that's run support only at this point. Cover skills not good so far.

Overall, I would give the BAG-MAN a "B", mostly for MITCHELL et. al. late round picks.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The 'trade cooley' comments are just mind-boggling to me...it doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation does it?? I mean, can't you use BOTH guys...heck, can't you even use them BOTH at the same time??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:18 AM |


There is a Trade Coooley market only because...Have you ever known of an NFL team who had 2 top pass catching tight ends on the roster? No.

Usually, you have a TE who is a better blocker, and one who is a better pass catcher.

Cooley is not a good blocker. Sleepy is somewhat better IMO at blocking.

Sure, the right OC could (and should) have both of them on the field at the same time, but we don't have a forward thinking creative OC at this moment. Then the best thing to do is get value.

And so far, the evidence is

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Besides the obvious reasons, solidifying the o-line could put to bed the Campbell issue. Once he doesn't have constant pressure as an excuse, he can be judged fairly. I believe he will thrive with 2 more seconds per play.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think for JC the play of the offensive line early in the season might end up being a blessing in disguise. He had less time to hold the ball so eventually he had to learn to play quicker, and get rid of the ball quicker. His play over the last 3 weeks has been much improved, so I think in the long run it might have been a good thing for him to go thru...

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Probably 25+ teams in the league would gladly swap the coach they got for the coach the Patriots got -- even with "the polish coming off."

Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 11:20 AM


They probably would. But just like my dad told me as a kid: just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right.

I've never totally bought into the Belichick hype. I think he's a good coach, but I think he had a perfect storm of good fortune: great owner, great FO, Hall of Fame QB. Now that he doesn't have those great defensive leaders and top-notch coordinators, he's struggling. Boneheaded 4th down calls, players openly criticizing him...did any of this happen 5 years ago?

The media slurps them based on stuff they did years ago. Just like Baltimore's defense.

And both are grossly overrated this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Gruden has signed a NEW contract with ESPN. He is NOT available!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 11:18 AM |

And you don't think his ESPN contract has a clause regarding coaching in the NFL?

Posted by: League-Source

No, I DO NOT. And I think if he had any true intention of coaching next season he would have waited to sign ESPN's contract. The way things are looking there will be 4-5 NFL coaching opportunities and he would be a shoo in for one of them so obviously he is not ready to return to the NFL.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"The 'trade cooley' comments are just mind-boggling to me...it doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation does it?? I mean, can't you use BOTH guys...heck, can't you even use them BOTH at the same time??"

which teams run the high powered double TE sets we're supposed to envision Davis and Cooley in? Having 2 high quality TEs would be a nice luxury, but the team has serious needs and Cooley is now expendable.

Despite his legions of fans, the truth is Cooley isnt THAT great. Davis is young and cheap, probably already a better receiver and his blocking can be improved.

Again, we shouldnt have drafted him but we did, so time to get value for Cooley if we can.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping beyond hope that the Chargers sleep and let McNeil walk. They have a ton of FA issues to address, Merriman, Sproles, both starting WR so it's a possibility. It's also worth to keep an eye on the Bucs situation as well as both their starting OT are FA.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

No, I DO NOT. And I think if he had any true intention of coaching next season he would have waited to sign ESPN's contract. The way things are looking there will be 4-5 NFL coaching opportunities and he would be a shoo in for one of them so obviously he is not ready to return to the NFL.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Possible, or he signed the contract early as a ploy in negotiations -- i.e. "I'm really happy with my gig at ESPN, so if you want me to come coach your team you'll have to make me an offer I can't refuse."

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

for all the trade cooley people. riddle me this:

Davis breaks his leg in game 1. Now your TE's are Yoder, and ...................................................................................??

And please don't say they need to draft a TE thats just beyond stupid...

I love the mind set that having 2 te's is a luxury....thats called stagnant thinking...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

STAY away from GRUDEN. The dude's trouble waiting to happen. He caught lightning in a bottle on the left coast, and couldn't duplicate it in TAMPA BAY. All bling, no worth, IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

BEan - Yoder is irrelavant....If he is even on the roster next year and Cooley was gone, he'd still be the #3 TE....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

4th, so who backs up Davis in that scenario??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

How pathetic was the Andre Carter play yesterday?

I swear, we are allergic to loose balls and defensive TDs.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Despite his legions of fans, the truth is Cooley isnt THAT great. Davis is young and cheap, probably already a better receiver and his blocking can be improved.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:30 AM


If this team had 2 or 3 legit WR threats on this team, I'd almost buy that. Cooley is the best and most consistent receiver on this team and to trade him would be shear lunacy.

Plus I doubt his contract would be too friendly on the cap if traded or cut.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

which teams run the high powered double TE sets we're supposed to envision Davis and Cooley in? Having 2 high quality TEs would be a nice luxury, but the team has serious needs and Cooley is now expendable.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

There is the thinking that really leads to innovation.

"Because no other teams have done it, it won't be successful"

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

When did JC become the starter? did he have anyone to throw to? did we have anyone besides CC, SM, and CP last year? come on guys, be fair to JC. we may not have him next season but he has been through a lot of changes and no OL or WR.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 14, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Bean,

Apparently the sentiment up here is that in order to get better, we need to get rid of our good players.

Weird...I vote for keeping all the talented players, and then drafting and signing even more talented players.

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

which teams run the high powered double TE sets we're supposed to envision Davis and Cooley in? Having 2 high quality TEs would be a nice luxury, but the team has serious needs and Cooley is now expendable.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Quick someone look up the percentage of plays Shanny ran using the 2 TE set...

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

ppstr8, yeah EXACTLY...we have these 2 players...how in the world will we use them.???

the pats spend a first round pick on a TE when they had Daniel Graham another first round te, the Giants had Strahan/Osi, and still drafted Tuck/Kiwi....I mean, is it that hard??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The young bucks are playing well now that there being used, I also think it might be Shanny.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

No, the young bucks are playing well now because they've learned the offense. If Snyder chooses the next shiny new thing as next year's head coach, he's an idiot. Uh-oh.

Zorn said it takes til the end of the second year to learn his WCO, and surprise, he's right.

Posted by: TheCork | December 14, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

ga-NO = he, she, it, you (formal) won.

So it's either Graham (I win) Gano or Graham (he won) Gano. Works both ways.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | December 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"I love the mind set that having 2 te's is a luxury....thats called stagnant thinking..."

i love the mindset that we can just get another jenny craig client to shore up our oline, that's called another losing season.

#1 need is the oline. Cooley is expendable and could potentially garner some quality OL with him. That's the smart move. Not coming up with 2 TE sets because our dumb 'GM' drafted a TE we didnt need.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Here you go, Suzanne:

Cowboys-Redskins remains in prime time
Posted by Mike Florio on December 14, 2009 11:26 AM ET
Though the Week 15 game between the Cowboys and Saints won't be made available on a truly nationwide basis, the next game featuring America's Team will be available in all of America.

The NFL and NBC have decided that Week 16 game between the Cowboys and the Redskins will remain in prime time.

Per a source with knowledge of the list of protected games, only the Ravens-Steelers game at Heinz Field was blocked from being moved to an 8:30 p.m. ET kickoff.

Though other games with playoff implications for both teams were available (such as Jacksonville at New England and Denver at Philadelphia), the decision reflects the reality that the Cowboys are a strong national draw.

And given the manner in which the Redskins have improved of late, it should be a very good game.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Who knows......We can find one in the draft....How many picks do we have?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

He is playing well catching the ball finally.

He says he'll get better if he plays, well part of TE is blocking...and the guy can't block a lick.

You want to be on the field Fred? Learn to block.

Posted by: btgo | December 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"I'm hoping beyond hope that the Chargers sleep and let McNeil walk."


This is what we mean when we say the team should burn Haynesworth money on the o-line.

McNeil should pursued and compensated in the same manner Big Al was--the first day of FA.

It's becoming clear that Campbell is 'getting it' now that the offense flows through him.

So let's get more guys in front of him to make sure he has time to throw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I say trade COOLEY and CAMPBELL. Get a first and sixth for COOLEY and a first and third for CAMPBELL, and let's roll on the VINNIE-train into tomorrow. Wow, a top-ten plus two other first round picks with another one also a potential top ten. Sweet. Draft that bling QB, OT, RB, all in the first. CIRON BLACK OT LSU with our second and MIKE JOHNSON OG ALA. with our third. NO CAP, cut CP, MIKE SELLERS, ARE, and sign a top free agent FS, CB, and OLB with the money.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"No, the young bucks are playing well now because they've learned the offense"

Wrong corky. Did you watch the philly game?? When cc went down, Davis went from giggling, and not knowing the offense to catching passes, how did that happen?? I mean did he learn the offense during the injury time-out? He's been a very good player ever since being given the chance..

The young bucks are playing well because they're getting the ball thrown to them...something that didn't happen previously.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm def going to the game now!!

G'yeah

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"If this team had 2 or 3 legit WR threats on this team, I'd almost buy that. Cooley is the best and most consistent receiver on this team and to trade him would be shear lunacy."

Davis is already a better reciever. Devon Thomas is playing well, Malcolm Kelly ok. Dump randle-el.

Rebuild with the young players already on the roster, much of the offense can be flushed.

Portis, Sellers, Randle-El, possibly Moss, trade Cooley, goodbye Randy Thomas, etc, etc.

The offense that's finally clicking is all players under 30, except Rabach right?

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

ga-NO = he, she, it, you (formal) won.

So it's either Graham (I win) Gano or Graham (he won) Gano. Works both ways.

Posted by: gringoinmiami

Were they lying to us in Spanish class?
Wasn't it:

Yo Gano
Tu Ganes
El/Ella/Usted Gane

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

but it's all moot unless the idiots upstairs can see that JC is certainly a keeper at this point.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Here are some stone-cold predictions that you can bet your life savings on:

1) Vinny is back next year in full force -

A couple "competitive" losses and a win over the Raiders is all the opening Vinny needs to convince Danny to keep him around - remember Danny wants to keep Vinny around and will happily use any silver lining to justify the decision.


2) Zorn is gone. Jerry Gray is HC next year.

The gambit that Vinny will play with Zorn is this: you can stay on as coach, but you need to install Sherm Lewis as your OC and full-time playcaller. Zorn will decline the "offer" and move along. Sherm Lewis will be hired as the new OC. Jerry Gray will be promoted to HC for a couple reasons. First, to maintain continuity with the players/organization. Second, Jerry Gray would be precisely the kind of company-yes-man that will let Snerrato tell him what to do. Third, no self-respecting coach candidate with any kind of resume (Cowher, Shanny, Holms) would ever come to work for Vinny C.

3) We are drafting a QB with our No.1 pick.

Let's stop fantasizing about Olinemen and RBs. Snerrato wants a sexy QB to call their own. Cerrato will cite the "improved" play of the Oline recently, as reason to pass on top Olinemen in the draft. We may see a late-round pick and some veteran FAs in the offseason and that's it. I don't know what the future of JC17 will be - Maybe they'll tender him and try to trade him. Maybe they'll cut him loose once and for all so as to avoid the distraction of a QB controversy w/their new draft pick. Maybe they'll tender him and keep him around as a seatwarmer until the new guy gets up to speed.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

divi, so if Davis gets hurt, you have nothing.....

great plan...I love that plan...thats called PANIC.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

divi3,

It's 3rd and 8. We come out in a Double-TE set, 3 WR and an empty backfield. You're the defensive coordinator. Pick your poison. Both Cooley and Davis would be a matchup problem for your LB's. Not to mention having big, physical WR's like Kelly, Mitchell, DT, and a speedster in the slot like Moss. It'd be awfully hard to stop.

Why get rid of proven talent? Let's keep both of them and draft MORE talent (preferrably, as you say, on the offensive line). It can be done, can't it?

Posted by: mattylight | December 14, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

ZORN has to go. He just isn't ready to be a head coach.

CAMPBELL should stay IMHO unless we get a one and a two pick as SONNY said. I like the idea of either.

CP's vision must clear before he plays again. If that doesn't, he's guaranteed a lot of money. I do think whoever gave him that diva deal should be held accountable.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 8:07 AM

Sherm Lewis is still calling Zorn's playbook. Maybe Zorn can review the game film of the year and figure out how Lewis made it happen, i.e., the bits other than "execution" by the players ... and the addition of Levi Jones (which I believe is the primary reason for the turnaround, not Lewis). The one big difference that Lewis brought is scoring in the Red Zone, but then again, that is WHY they brought him in the first place. Lewis has one of the highest Red Zone conversion rates in the modern era.

I doubt there is a way to make it work where everyone can save face, but I do think Zorn should get the chance to be offensive coordinator. [I wonder whether that has ever happened ... that a head coach dropped down to become a coordinator.]

Campbell ... can someone clarify whether he is UFA or RFA? Does the timing of a new CBA make a difference? If he is RFA, I would tender him at the highest level. I doubt he will re-sign without testing the market (because I doubt the team will make a competitive offer unless its a "first refusal" offer to match). Unlike 95% of the rabble up here, I'm still a Jason Campbell guy.

CP. I once loved the Portis/Sellers dog sled sweep. I think both of those dogs, however, have seen better days. I thought Sellers had a drop off after his concussion LAST season, esp. as a receiver. I still love the man on special teams. Portis, on the other hand, sounds like he is already planning to retire anyway. I think the Skins should go for a running back with the first pick (rather than a QB) anyway. [I think they should be drafting to replace Levi Jones eventually, but like everyone else up here, I doubt they will. I assume Samuels is gone. I think Reinhart will be a starter some day ... you need to build starters at offensive line over timre ... whether through the draft ... or poaching trained UFAs off other teams' rosters ... I think they should poach Harvey Dahl (G) off the Falcons roster, though he's a starter already).

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Davis is already a better reciever.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 11:48 AM

Than Cooley? You mean the perennial Pro-Bowler who caught 83 passes last year? You mean the guy that has crushed every TE receiving record in Washington? You can glean that from Davis after a solid month of football?

Apply that to your Madden team all you like, but I'll take the guy who's done it for 3 years over the guy who's done it for 3 weeks. Agree to disagree, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I said when they made the switch that it wasn't possible for our offense to get any worse under Sherm Bingo Lewis, but not in my wildest dreams did I expect every game except the Dallas game to be over 20 points and back to back 30 point performances against better competition than we had faced to date. Every major media outlet especially ESPN ought to have to do an on air apology for making fun of Sherm. He's turned the offense in to more than just average, they're legit under him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 14, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

And the Cooley/Davis debate is moot anyway since the FO won't move either of them in the offseason. On to more pressing matters.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

the same people who are advocating to trade cooley, would then turn around and RIP the FO if davis got hurt, and would be on here SCREAMING if they spend a draft pick on a TE for depth....

you don't trade just to make a trade...you use your strengths to your advantage....built continuity, instead of tearing it down, for the same of making a trade....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Campbell ... can someone clarify whether he is UFA or RFA? Does the timing of a new CBA make a difference? If he is RFA, I would tender him at the highest level. I doubt he will re-sign without testing the market (because I doubt the team will make a competitive offer unless its a "first refusal" offer to match). Unlike 95% of the rabble up here, I'm still a Jason Campbell guy.
"

Right now, it's looking like he'll be a RFA. We can keep him at the highest tender which is only in the $4Mil+ range.

Re: Portis - Next year will be his redemption year....but Ganther will get the most carries....Bye Bye Betts and Ladell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

And the Cooley/Davis debate is moot anyway since the FO won't move either of them in the offseason. On to more pressing matters.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 11:58 AM

Agree. They needed both of them to get through this year. Why will next year be different?

Posted by: League-Source | December 14, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I say trade COOLEY and CAMPBELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 14, 2009 11:45 AM

No way, man. Skins have three solid (like super solid) tight ends for a few more years ... and the intermediate game over center of the field is the only RIPE spot for adding years in the new hyper protective set of QB rules. [Anybody notice the roles of Celek and Boss last night?] Cooley, Davis, and Yoder are GAME for many years to come. Frankly, its time to think of life "beyond Moss" (and ARE) ... whichever of the two (D. Thomas or Kelly) can be best replaced Mitchell should be the trade bait. What's leftover is a SOLID receiving corps. [I say that, but I'm good with hanging onto Thomas, Kelly, AND Mitchell ... but Skins DO need a receiver who can return punts ....].

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"you don't trade just to make a trade"

agree 110%

you trade to improve your team and we need oline help.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else notice how quiet the WAPO is now that the skins won a game and the new kicker made all of his kicks?
Usually on monday we would have so many post that we could not keep up with them.

I know how dissapointed they must be because they spent all weekend looking up kicker statistics and writing articles ready to bash the FO for picking up a kicker and letting suisham go.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

CJ Spiller can return punts.....

Yeah, I started it this time.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I know how dissapointed they must be because they spent all weekend looking up kicker statistics and writing articles ready to bash the FO for picking up a kicker and letting suisham go.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it prolly has more to do with traveling back from California, but continue to pound the conspiracy theory that the WAPO is against the Skins.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

you trade to improve your team and we need oline help.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:03 PM


Unless Baltimore's ready to serve up Gaither and Oher for Cooley straight up, there won't be a deal that will help enough to offset the loss of Cooley.

Next question.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

but Skins DO need a receiver who can return punts ....].

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Racoe Parrish (the skins went after him twice)

Taylor Price Ohio University Rd 4-5 is interesting as well.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"divi, so if Davis gets hurt, you have nothing.....

great plan...I love that plan...thats called PANIC....."

would you rather lose a TE without a proven backup, or a starting olineman with no proven backups?

Did you happen to watch the first half of this season?

regardless if Davis gets hurt you have Yoder.


Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

you trade to improve your team and we need oline help.

so you weaken the TE spot, to strengthen the OL.....good call...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Bye Bye Betts and Ladell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:00 PM

I agree that the time to move on probably has arrived for both Betts and Ladell ... such as

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse


2) Zorn is gone. Jerry Gray is HC next year.

The gambit that Vinny will play with Zorn is this: you can stay on as coach, but you need to install Sherm Lewis as your OC and full-time playcaller. Zorn will decline the "offer" and move along. Sherm Lewis will be hired as the new OC. Jerry Gray will be promoted to HC for a couple reasons. First, to maintain continuity with the players/organization. Second, Jerry Gray would be precisely the kind of company-yes-man that will let Snerrato tell him what to do. Third, no self-respecting coach candidate with any kind of resume (Cowher, Shanny, Holms) would ever come to work for Vinny C.

3) We are drafting a QB with our No.1 pick.

Let's stop fantasizing about Olinemen and RBs. Snerrato wants a sexy QB to call their own. Cerrato will cite the "improved" play of the Oline recently, as reason to pass on top Olinemen in the draft. We may see a late-round pick and some veteran FAs in the offseason and that's it. I don't know what the future of JC17 will be - Maybe they'll tender him and try to trade him. Maybe they'll cut him loose once and for all so as to avoid the distraction of a QB controversy w/their new draft pick. Maybe they'll tender him and keep him around as a seatwarmer until the new guy gets up to speed.

Posted by: p1funk |

Dream on....Zorn will be gone but Gray will not be named HC and Sherm Lewis will be gone. Sonny Jurgensen stated as much just this morning....Sonny is tight with the organization and possibly has inside info.

I agree with you about the QB though :( Horrors! A new QB will set us back another 3 years. However, Sonny seems to think Campbell will be back as it looks like the year will be uncapped.

Of course, everything is contingent on the next 3 games.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

So what are the chances Shanny comes here over Dallas? What are peoples general opinion about this situation? I can't think anyone wants to keep Horny 4 Zorny.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Unless Baltimore's ready to serve up Gaither and Oher for Cooley straight up, there won't be a deal that will help enough to offset the loss of Cooley.

Next question."

That's what draft picks are for, you know, those things other teans horde and end up with young starters from.

anyhow, the FO cant move cooley because half the fanbase would switch allegiances to whatever team got him.

Truth is though, he's hardly irreplaceable and Davis has been more productive this season from the moment he stepped on the field.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else notice how quiet the WAPO is now that the skins won a game and the new kicker made all of his kicks?
Usually on monday we would have so many post that we could not keep up with them.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 14, 2009 12:03 PM

Or, you know, Zorny's presser starts in 15 minutes, and as soon as it's over, we'll have about 5 new threads over the next 2 hours.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 14, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Observations:

LaRon Landry is an All Pro strong safety.

So move Carlos Rogers to free safety and find another corner.

Mike Williams should start at right guard next season.

Antawn Randle El should not play in another redskin game this year.

Quinton Ganther plus a big back like J Dwyer might be a nice combo next season.

Santana Moss is starting to look very ordinary.

Reed Doughty is a keeper.

Graham Gano has made me forget about the redskin kicking problems.

Brian Orakpo should be the NFC Rookie of the Year.

Andre Carter played well--again--without Prince Al on the field.

Mike Sellars might not be a fullback or redskin next year.

We'll see how good the offensive line is next week when the jints come to town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

That's a real mouthful, Moe. And I think you are right on every observation. You didn't mention JC, though. I've been saying since the end of last season that we should sign him to a minimal contract with lots of bonuses available to him. Thoughts?

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I know how dissapointed they must be because they spent all weekend looking up kicker statistics and writing articles ready to bash the FO for picking up a kicker and letting suisham go.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it prolly has more to do with traveling back from California, but continue to pound the conspiracy theory that the WAPO is against the Skins.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 14, 2009 12:06 PM


Will do
Will do

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Bye Bye Betts and Ladell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:00 PM

I agree that the time to move on probably has arrived for both Betts and Ladell ... such as

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:10 PM

Duh!!

I meant LAdell and Betts!!

Trying to catch up after missing 3/4 days of working and trying to stay relavant up here......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

but Skins DO need a receiver who can return punts ....].

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Racoe Parrish (the skins went after him twice)

Taylor Price Ohio University Rd 4-5 is interesting as well.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 12:07 PM

I know I said receiver, but I'm warm to the idea of C.J. Spiller (though doubting they would rely on the feature back as a return guy also ... are there any shorty DeSean Jackson types out there? I let my disgust for the NYG as a team override my disgust for Philly for their phan base last night, mostly b/c I dig special teams play ... F NYG more than F Philly!]

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn has any consistency, ARE will be inactive for the remainder of the year.

Keep JC17, SM89, MK12, DT11, MM, FD, CC and CP. Get the OT you need either with the first or the second depending if Okung falls in your lap. If Okung and Berry are both gone, trade back to somebody who wants to come and get Bradford or one of the other QBs. If its a trade back, get an OT, home run hitting RB, and decide between an OLB or QB prospect in that order with the first three picks.

Round 4 back, take BPA at need position with a leaning towards OL, LB and DB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Chad Rhinehart..I believe the Redskins drafted him in the 3rd round.

Nothing against him, but I wouldn't trade Cooley so that I could have another Chad Rhinehart.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 14, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Taylor Price Ohio University Rd 4-5 is interesting as well.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 12:07 PM

Wow! My Bobcats have another potential NFL player? AND we're going to a bowl game? OU....OU....OU!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 14, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Duh!!

I meant LAdell and Betts!!

Trying to catch up after missing 3/4 days of working and trying to stay relavant up here......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:14 PM

Dude, embrace irrelevancy ... you meant Rock and Betts.

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Ratface Shanny is the last thing we need. Older guy with nothing to prove, has less drive, and who never won anything without his all-time great qb at the helm.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Truth is though, he's hardly irreplaceable and Davis has been more productive this season from the moment he stepped on the field.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:12 PM


Nobody is irreplaceable in football. It's the ultimate team sport.

And Davis is playing at a time where the offense is getting its act together. If you played Davis early and Cooley now, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Here's a novel idea: no trading picks for other people's vets so we don't have to trade our own vets to replace those picks. Sound fair?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

regardless if Davis gets hurt you have Yoder.

Perfect. Guy has 46 career receptions over a 9 year career. He's just an unutilized weapon. So now, in this scenario you go from having a weapon at TE, to not using the te at all...

you're onto something here...I like the direction this is headed....

Draft 2 tackles, and keep cooley.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Also, Mr. Betts LAdell, congrats on the healthy looking new little one! [I'm also guessing that because it was XX chromosomes, the factory remains open until 4th Floor, Jr. arrives ....]

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Dream on....Zorn will be gone but Gray will not be named HC and Sherm Lewis will be gone. Sonny Jurgensen stated as much just this morning....Sonny is tight with the organization and possibly has inside info.

I agree with you about the QB though :( Horrors! A new QB will set us back another 3 years. However, Sonny seems to think Campbell will be back as it looks like the year will be uncapped.

Of course, everything is contingent on the next 3 games.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse


Well, it's not really a "dream" for me as much as it is a "prediction".

The "dream" scenario for me would be seeing Vinny, Zorn and the whole offensive operation gutted and replaced with competent folks.

Did Sonny say anything about Vinny's job security??

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Jamarcus Russell = Ryan Leaf, if Jamarcus improves. Wow, that dude's beyond awful.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The only value that these "close" losses will have for next year is if the same key players and coaches are allowed back for next year. Otherwise, all these "learning" experiences will just go for naught as it will take another wasted year or two for a new system to be implemented. But of course Danny and Vinnie do like chaos and instability. That is how they justify their existence. It would be so funny one day to just see Vinnie go "Rogue" and become a real GM, after he has earned enough financial stability and kissed enough behinds from Danny of course. I would love to see Danny's "Et Tu Brute" look on that day. The man has got to have some "Pride" inside him!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

so where were these vaunted 2 TE offensive sets over the past 2 seasons? You know, the innovative empty-backfield sets that would have dcoord's quaking in their shoes?

odd how they never materialized no?

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to interrupt all the spoogeing over our success at beating... the Okland Raiders... with a rotating QB spot...

But was anyone else as PO'd as I was with clock management at the end of the first half? It was ridiculous. And if the second half had been like the first, it could have cost us the game...

Why call a timeout with 1:20+ on the clock?!? We left them with 50+ seconds to run down the field.

I know it's nit-picky.. but this is what loomed large when we were loosing, and it's still there....

FJZ?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"Draft 2 tackles, and keep cooley."

We need an infusion of olineman, many of whom wont pan out because that's just how it goes. Drafting 2 guys wont cut it.

Regardless of Cooley in or out, we need more olineman!

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

JohnWWW, you're too right there.

That's why the band-aid needed to be ripped off early and fast. Now they have to let the cheese set, or it's back to the drawing board all over...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

DANG...Did it again....

Ladell and MAson!! Wow...Just Wow! Need to clear the HEad!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Observations:

LaRon Landry is an All Pro strong safety.

So move Carlos Rogers to free safety and find another corner.

Mike Williams should start at right guard next season.

Antawn Randle El should not play in another redskin game this year.

Quinton Ganther plus a big back like J Dwyer might be a nice combo next season.

Santana Moss is starting to look very ordinary.

Reed Doughty is a keeper.

Graham Gano has made me forget about the redskin kicking problems.

Brian Orakpo should be the NFC Rookie of the Year.

Andre Carter played well--again--without Prince Al on the field.

Mike Sellars might not be a fullback or redskin next year.

We'll see how good the offensive line is next week when the jints come to town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse


LL30 - Maybe he's an all-pro safety, but I'd still trade him for some picks. I don't think Chris Horton is really a big dropoff.

CR22 - Will never move to FS in a million years. In his delusional universe there is no defending a double-move and he is an elite No.1 CB and wants to get paid. Free safeties don't get paid, unless they are Sean taylor.

BMW - Could be kept around as a guard, but he's going to have durability issues. Not a reliable solution.

ARE - Should be benched and cut at year's end. Agreed.

Ganther - Reminds me alot of CP26 (before this year). Small but powerful between the tackles. Not going to break many long ones, but good vision and is willing to hit the hole. Nose for short-yardage/goal-line situations. Can keep chains moving. Needs to be platooned with a speed back, IMO.

Moss - Needs to make the transition to the slot and become our full-time punt returner. Can still be dangerous and make plays.

Doughty - Agreed.

Gano - Agreed. LOVE the long kickoffs.

Orakpo - Beast.

Andre Carter - At year's start I thought we should cut him. Now we have to keep him. Bottom line is that they've found a pass-rush chemistry that works, having him at RDE then switching to the left on pass downs so Orakpo can step up to the line.

Mike Sellers - Never really found a solid role in Zorn's WCO.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Did Sonny say anything about Vinny's job security??

Posted by: p1funk

Yes....Sonny said he thinks Vinny will be back but in a "different" capacity. When ask what that might be he joked "chauffer?" - then mentioned something about Personnel.


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Also.

Anyone notice that Anthony Montgomery played pretty well yesterday?

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

JReid's qeustions are toooo leading...

Thx Sweeny...That was the last one...I got boys and girls...I'm not in the 'Jr' naming system....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

so where were these vaunted 2 TE offensive sets over the past 2 seasons? You know, the innovative empty-backfield sets that would have dcoord's quaking in their shoes?

odd how they never materialized no?

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe teams didn't have the personal for it? And now the Skins do. Did you ever consider that?

Did Walsh look around and say "well no one else has done this before so it won't work" when he came up with the west coast offense?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Sellers has been god awful this year, goodbye to him too.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

lol, Lisa

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

so where were these vaunted 2 TE offensive sets over the past 2 seasons? You know, the innovative empty-backfield sets that would have dcoord's quaking in their shoes?

odd how they never materialized no?

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I think right now teams are not using this set properly. They are taking the speed off the field and only using the 2 TEs without a deep threat. They are trying to use it in the red zone. I'd like to see it used on our own 20. I'd run it with Thomas and Moss. You have 2 deep threats along with the 2 tight ends. This should spread the field and allow you to run to either side with a lead blocker. I think a guy like spiller would excel in that set because of his speed and his ability to run and catch passes. The tight ends are used to spread the field horizontally while moss and thomas spread it vertically. With the defense spread out like that and linebackers covering the tight ends what happens when CJ Spiller takes the ball up the middle? Are the linebackers quick enough to get back to the middle of the field? Do you use cornerbacks to cover the tight ends and worry about them braking tackles? It's just a few ideas but I can see it working with the right balance of speed and size.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Also.

Anyone notice that Anthony Montgomery played pretty well yesterday?

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 12:33 PM |

He did. I'm not a fan of his. He underachieved in college and he has done the same in the pros. I'd rather move on from this experience.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Not ready to go on record with a Billick prediction, but I can definitely see the Skins doing something nobody's expecting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse
Unexpected, for sure. Utterly stupid, certainly. Incomprehensible, yep. Brownwood, I think you are on to something here.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Graham Gano (pronounced Ga - NO). Redskins have founder a keeper! Long powerfull kickoffs and 2 field goals, in the rain and on a sloppy field. It's been so long since we've had a reliable kicker. I say stay the course next year with current coaches & QB and the blue collar guys. Start getting rid of the so called stars, like Portis, ARE, Sellers, etc. Add some quality Oline guys through the draft, and we'll have a playoff team. Makes absolutely no sense to start over with yet another new system at this point.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Keep Zorn and Lewis for next year. We need to let go of CP if possible. New GM and get some offensive linemen. What do you think Skins nation?

Posted by: DCSPORTSFANATIC | December 14, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Only one thing could wreck next season - drafting a QB with the first pick.

Keep The Danny and his buddy, Smithers, out of the war room.

Hiding the keys to the Leer jet would also help.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This is still a bad team folks. The recent weeks have shown that there are parts worth keeping. I wouldnt get too excited about Jason, he is at best an average quarterback. The skins could certainly do worse and if they can get him at a bargain, then resign him. Cooley/Davis ... if they Skins can't figure out how to get both of them on the field, you need to trade one of them away. Very stupid pick by the Skins and Davis being this good just shows you how stupid it was with Cooley sitting there also. Make a trade.

Posted by: theAnswerIs42 | December 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If it's an uncapped year trade Cooley and get picks or a veteran OL about the same age.

We don't need #47 as recent games have shown to be effective in the short and intermediate zones.

Davis is a bigger guy with better speed and once he learns how to block more effectively, will be the Redskins starter for years to come.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Somebody help me out! I'm a dieheart skins fan and I was talking to a Cowgirl fan. He was telling me that we are the doormats of the NFL or at least the NFC East. My rebuttal was that it's December and to expect Dallas to do what Dallas does in December: Gift wrap victories to the opposing team. My dilema is though I want the Redskins to win, what is it benefitting us? It would only hurt our draft position and make Vinny and Danny boy look smart. I believe if Dallas crumbles this year that they will get a high caliber coach who would love to coach that team who seem to be a couple of players or decisions away from a consistent playoff team. With the new stadium and the Dallas mystique who wouldn't want to come coach there? So Dallas would best us again by getting a better coach. Dan has ruined things so bad that what reputable coach would want to come here in this mess? We need a GM and we need to get rid of Vinny; but if they win then Vinny may look like a genious and tell all of us where to go! Then in his brilliance, Vinny would get rid of Jason (Campbell) when the man needs a fair shake at a decent line. When protected He is a little above average. So I think we can get a decent pick and move back(say trade with Seattle or San Franciso) for 2 no 1's and get our offensive lineman or a real Free Safty..we have an influx of Strong safies masqerading as free safeties, we need corners..ours are overrated and get burned too often..poor tacklers. We need consistency..I don't know! so winning may eventually hurt more than help..they could lose the remaining games except DAllas(knock them out of the playoffs); I'd be happy;but think about the future(drafts and FA)..hopefully it's a no cap year..then dump CP..please..get linebacker help..o-line--again O-LINE..and shore up our secondary..WE need a GM and Danny needs to leave it alone. Sherman Lewis, Zorn(poor fella), and the other coaches are possibilities..depends on the next three games..

Posted by: anointedebony | December 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

O K. I have been down on JC all year. Maybe, just maybe he is finally becoming an NFL QB. He played well yesterday despite being tossed around like a rag doll. Hope he can keep it up.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | December 14, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

there's a lot of speculation abt who to let go and who to sign. nobody mentioned andre carter, who is having a helluva year. also, like it or not, cerrato DID draft the three receivers and they ARE panning out. i think kelly will also get better, and if marko mitchell comes around, we're gonna be HARD to defend (if we get any balance at all running the ball). all i'm saying is what i've been saying all along: we have a good qb and we now have a good nucleus to share the ball. still need some big linemen, still need a free safety, still need to coach our db's to tackle. did you guys watch the 49'ers tackle tonight??? that's what skin teams of old used to do. all this strategy and throwing your body to make a hit B4 the ball carrier is wrapped up is a sin (in my eyes)...

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 15, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

i've never thought shanahan was THAT good a coach. denver's management has always had good players for him to work with.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 15, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

mista moe, i generally like yr style, but several years ago we DID take a lineman. chris samuels. right...

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 15, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

finally: to all who seem to FEAR that us closing out the season with wins will adversely affect our draft position... so fn what? you rooting for the team or are you rooting for next year's team. you ain't guaranteed next year, bruthas. let's take EVERY win we can get... THIS year. i'll worry abt next year next summer or just prior to the draft. i ain't the kinda guy who wants to trade down and do a whole lotta dancing at the draft. i wanna first pick to my position needs and then get the fastest, smartest, hungriest and strongest athletes available (depending on who and what positions are on the board). but now is not the time to be worrying about 5th or 8th position. this ain't basketball where ONE player can make a huge difference with four others who play both offense and defense. this is football and you need 22 guys, plus subs who complement each other. win NOW so we can get some of this egg off our faces. AND keep the nasty naysayers off these pages. just saying...

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 15, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

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