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Deal wasn't Taylor-made for Redskins

While researching something today, I came across the statistics of Jason Taylor. Remember him?

The Redskins gave up two draft picks - a 2009 second-rounder that the Miami Dolphins used to select quarterback Pat White and a sixth-rounder in the 2010 draft - to acquire Taylor, a future Hall of Famer, on the first day of training camp in 2008 after end/tackle Phillip Daniels suffered a season-ending knee injury. Defensive coordinator Greg Blache did not want Taylor, according to league sources, and versatile defensive lineman Demetric Evans already was on the roster. (In fact, Evans wound up playing a lot and effectively.) But owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, made the move.

Although Taylor was hobbled by injuries, uncomfortable in Blache's scheme and unhappy being away from his wife and children during the season, he said he wanted to return to the team to remind everyone what he was capable of when healthy. Taylor, who makes his year-round home in Miami, rejected Snyder's request to have a workout clause added to his contract, which would have resulted in the three-time All-Pro receiving a bonus, believed to be $500,000, but also would have required him to remain in Ashburn.

Snyder's insistence about the proposed new contract language surprised Taylor, league sources said, especially considering that the Redskins and Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard, had agreed both sides would honor the final two years of the deal without any restructuring before Taylor was traded from Miami to Washington.

Anyway, it appears Taylor, 35, still has something left. Playing outside linebacker, Taylor has started every game for the Dolphins and has 5.5 sacks and two forced fumbles. And the best thing for the Dolphins is that not only has Taylor been extremely productive, he is extremely cost-effective. Had Taylor remained with the Redskins, he would have made $8 million during the final year of his contract this season, not including a $500,000 roster bonus he was scheduled to receive the week he was released.

Bill Parcells, the Dolphins' vice president of football operations, offered Taylor a lot less than $8.5 million. Taylor received a signing bonus of $255,000, a workout bonus of about $3,000 and an $845,000 base salary for a total package of $1,103,000, or about an eighth of what the 13-year veteran made from the Redskins last season.

So just to review, Parcells got the second-round pick he wanted for Taylor, which no other teams were offering, league sources said, and a sixth-round pick and then brought Taylor back after only one season at a great price. Having given up their second-round pick (No. 44 overall), the Redskins were not in position to take a young running back, which many in the organization thought they needed.

Nine spots after the Dolphins selected White with the pick they received from the Redskins, the Philadelphia Eagles chose back LeSean McCoy from Pittsburgh. McCoy is having an impressive rookie season and has emerged as a key member of the offense since All-Pro running back Brian Westbrook suffered a concussion in Week 7 against the Redskins at FedEx Field.

Searching for someone to provide a spark for their running game, the Redskins at one point made the highly unusual move of carrying five running backs on the 53-man roster. Clinton Portis, who has mostly been ineffective this season, suffered a concussion in Washington's last game against the Atlanta Falcons and is listed as questionable this week against the Denver Broncos.

Also, Taylor is playing the same role that rookie defensive end/strong-side linebacker Brian Orakpo has with the Redskins. If the Redskins had not released Taylor, perhaps they would have used their first-round pick on tackle Michael Oher, instead of Orakpo, in an effort to help their offensive line, which the team identified as its most glaring weakness in the 2-6 collapse last season.

Or maybe not. But it's a thought.

By Jason Reid  |  November 12, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
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Comments

Now we're rehashing Jason Taylor? You're living in the past this week, Mr. Mayor.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

** TO ALL RI HAMSTERS - BOYCOTT THIS ENTRY **

We agreed to a requiem on all Jason Taylor related crap some time ago.

Exercise civil disobedience in protest by not posting on this entry.

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Old news, but since moves like this are what have us crippled today, still somewhat relevant I suppose...

Posted by: mattylight | November 12, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

It's downright laughable that Snyder should insist on a workout clause for Taylor, especially when you consider the free pass given to his favorite RB -- Clinton "Rochester" Portis.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 12, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The stupidity of Snyderrato can never be mentioned too frequently.

The Jason Taylor move was awful from the start, and yet soooooo many Redskins faithful convinced themselves that THIS TIME getting an old star was going to pay off.

As more and more of the fanbase wakes up to these stupid moves, the pressure mounts on Snyderrato.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"Now we're rehashing Jason Taylor? You're living in the past this week, Mr. Mayor.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 10:03 AM"

With this team, one kind of has to live in the past. The distant past is the only place good things happened, and the recent past never seems to stop coming back to haunt the present.

Posted by: EpsteinsMothersDoctor | November 12, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Someone should dissect every move Vin and Dan have made since the Snyder era began. I'll bet their record would be unmatched for stupidity and incompetency. Almost nothing they've done has worked, and they never learn any lessons. I can't believe we are stuck with this egomaniacal dope as an owner. He lives in a money-lined bubble of delusion. Sell the team, Dan, and let someone else make this a team worth watching and supporting.

Posted by: sufferinskinsfan | November 12, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

But the Redskins were one player away from being a Super Bowl team in 2008 when Daniels went down! They had to make the move!

(I don't think my eyes could roll further back into my head)

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | November 12, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Now we're rehashing Jason Taylor? You're living in the past this week, Mr. Mayor.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I take it you're not going to hype the next terrible picks-for-player trade Snyderrato makes?

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This is all you could come up with? Why bother???

Move along people...there's nothing to see here.

Posted by: gixxer998 | November 12, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Good GOD, Reid!

You are the re-hash king!

How about posting something about how the Redskins should have challenged the Patriots in the early part of this decade due to the amount of draft picks they received form the Saints.

Or how about the Spurrier years?

Albert Connell?

'Tre Johnson?

Terry Allen?

The Tokyo game?

John Friesz?

The tailgating during the '91 super bowl?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Repost:

Several sources are reporting that Betts didn't practice due to an ankle injury and is questionable for sunday. Did the Post totally miss this, or did I just miss it here?

Posted by: RambleOn | November 12, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RambleOn | November 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I love the people pretending like we're so far removed from Snyder's stupidity.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

League, I swear I didn't see your post. I just saw the name 'Jason Taylor' and thought "here we go again!"

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Totally indicative of the front office incompetence and absolutely relevant to today's train wreck that is Cerrato!

He brought this whole west coast bullsh** to Wash. Hated it then, hate it now!

This brand of mismanagement and incompetence is why we are among the worst in the league!! We wil NEVER heal until he is GONE forever!!

Posted by: iubiquity | November 12, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Several sources are reporting that Betts didn't practice due to an ankle injury and is questionable for sunday. Did the Post totally miss this, or did I just miss it here?

Posted by: RambleOn | November 12, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If he can't go I'm more than fine with Rock until we get to the goal line (haha, I think we're getting to the goal line). He doesn't cut or do anything flashy but he does one thing well. Rock takes the ball and runs straight ahead at full speed. If we run a lot of shotgun Rock will be great on draw plays. If our plan is to pound the ball then we need to try that litle bowling ball Ganther fellow.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 12, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

That includes the vastly OVERRATED CP!!

Posted by: iubiquity | November 12, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? People still care about this trade? LET IT GO.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | November 12, 2009 7:04 AM |
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Agreed.

Champ's a good player; but he isn't the best corner to ever wear the burgundy and gold. That would be #28.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

smuts, fire up your time machine and we'll fix this.....stupid post...

good thing there isn't a game this weekend...oh wait...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

ramble, I haven't seen anything about betts not being able to practice, on here, or on the times site.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

smuts, fire up your time machine and we'll fix this.....stupid post...

good thing there isn't a game this weekend...oh wait...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

God forbid this blog cover game news AND franchise news.

When we get to a point where the fan base isn't fooled by these awful trades (as they were with JT, and would have been last year with Cutler or Sanchez), then perhaps these posts will be unnecessary.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I love the people pretending like we're so far removed from Snyder's stupidity.

Posted by: smutsboy


Dude no one is pretending anything RE: Snyder. It just gets old reading the same crap ALL the TIME about things that can not be changed at this point.

It's old. Why not offer a solution for the current problems. Does Reid think that we've forgotten about the Jason Taylor debacle. All this represents is him being a lazy POS and not wanting to, or feeling a need to post anything regarding CURRENT issues and problems.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Hmm..if Portis and Betts are injured, I hear we can trade a third rounder for TJ Duckett - nevermind that he's not even on an NFL team...

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | November 12, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins would have played Taylor at the SAM, they could have... ahhhhh f it!

The FO keeps getting swindled on each deal they make . Whether it be by free agents or GM's.
This fact in itself is the main reason for Dan to take himself out of the day to day Football operations, to fire Vinny and hire a pro GM.

Posted by: priceisright | November 12, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

This one trade for Taylor sums up why the Dan/Vinny combo is a disaster as GM. Over paying in dollars and draft picks for a big name player whose skills don't fit into the team's needs and who the coaching staff doesn't want badly enough to adapt their scheme to utilize the talents this player does have.

Last week we had several guys playing out of position (Orapko is a DE not a LB, Landry is a SS not a FS, Heyer is much better at RT than he is at LT, BMW is much better at RG than at RT) because the coaches and the FO aren't on the same page in terms of acquiring and utilizing even players that do have some talent.

Posted by: hapster | November 12, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

and would have been last year with Cutler or Sanchez

oh, great, we're gonna play the game called, "lets piss and whine about trades that DIDN'T happen"....my personal favorite...right up there with, "Why oh Why did we let Antonio Pierce leave"??

can someone bring up the 2 first round picks that we ALMOST traded for Ocho Cinco??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

When we get to a point where the fan base isn't fooled by these awful trades (as they were with JT, and would have been last year with Cutler or Sanchez), then perhaps these posts will be unnecessary.

Posted by: smutsboy


Have you been paying attention to the fans lately? I'd say that at least 65% feel that there needs to be major changes to include the head coach, GM (or lack thereof), and ownership. 20% feel that there are somethings that are wrong but put place the blame more on the players than the total sum of parts. And 15% feel that everything is hunky dory all across the map.

65% awareness is good. You're never going to fool all the people all the time.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Woody Paige of the Denver Post is calling for the Broncos to start QB Chris Simms against the Redskins.

I guess 6-2 isn't good enough for some Denver fans...LOL

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13759252

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It's old. Why not offer a solution for the current problems. Does Reid think that we've forgotten about the Jason Taylor debacle. All this represents is him being a lazy POS and not wanting to, or feeling a need to post anything regarding CURRENT issues and problems.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

oooh- ad hominem attacks. always the sign of a strong argument.

if Reid wrote an analysis of what's wrong with the FO, some people here would still be complaining about not enough X and O's posts. (as if there's that much to say about a team starting Stephen Heyer and Levi Jones and is about to go 3-13 (or worse).)

These bad deals didn't happen in a vacuum, and too many people lose sight of the big, terrible picture of our front office.

There's nothing wrong with Reid devoting some posts to past debacles which will probably be repeated again.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This one trade for Taylor sums up why the Dan/Vinny combo is a disaster as GM. Over paying in dollars and draft picks for a big name player whose skills don't fit into the team's needs and who the coaching staff doesn't want badly enough to adapt their scheme to utilize the talents this player does have.

Last week we had several guys playing out of position (Orapko is a DE not a LB, Landry is a SS not a FS, Heyer is much better at RT than he is at LT, BMW is much better at RG than at RT) because the coaches and the FO aren't on the same page in terms of acquiring and utilizing even players that do have some talent.


Posted by: hapster | November 12, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse
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DING DING DING DING we have a winner!

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | November 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

And in that column he writes, "He has to try Simms, and what's a more appropriate occasion than after two losses and in a game against the most politically incorrect and football-inept team in America? Washington: First in war, first in peace, last (again) in the NFC East."

What a d-bag Paige is; no wonder he always gets muted on "Around The Horn."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@RedDMV

I think Reid was trying to thinly tie this story to the present by saying we could have upgraded our current position with those picks by taking McCoy and Oher.

Not that this does us any SJKing good now, but I believe that's what he was going for.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | November 12, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

and would have been last year with Cutler or Sanchez

oh, great, we're gonna play the game called, "lets piss and whine about trades that DIDN'T happen"....my personal favorite...right up there with, "Why oh Why did we let Antonio Pierce leave"??

can someone bring up the 2 first round picks that we ALMOST traded for Ocho Cinco??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Not a game.

It's a statement of fact. Yet another off-season where Snyderrato wanted to trade picks for big names.

But it's irrelevant b/c Snyderato was saved from their own stupidity?

Riiiight

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me, I heard there was a dead horse that needs a beating... oh nevermind I found it.

Posted by: priceisright | November 12, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I for one HAD forgotten how ridiculous the Taylor trade was, and how ridiculous the final outcome was. RIDICULOUS!

I guess I could thank Jason for pointing it all out again, or I could bash him for piling on... I think I will thank him, and pile on some myself.

RIDICULOUS! Get an F'ing GM, Snyder.

Posted by: kjhealey | November 12, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Well, maybe Synder will expire soon. Thats the only way we will be released from this contract from Satan

Posted by: ocskins | November 12, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

65% awareness is good. You're never going to fool all the people all the time.

Posted by: RedDMV


You are right Red, but I fear the response when Snyderrato completes the next big name trade, which is almost inevitable.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

This one trade for Taylor sums up why the Dan/Vinny combo is a disaster as GM. Over paying in dollars and draft picks for a big name player whose skills don't fit into the team's needs and who the coaching staff doesn't want badly enough to adapt their scheme to utilize the talents this player does have.

Last week we had several guys playing out of position (Orapko is a DE not a LB, Landry is a SS not a FS, Heyer is much better at RT than he is at LT, BMW is much better at RG than at RT) because the coaches and the FO aren't on the same page in terms of acquiring and utilizing even players that do have some talent.


Posted by: hapster | November 12, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse
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DING DING DING DING we have a winner!

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | November 12, 2009 10:39 AM

Agreed. That Blache didn't even want Taylor just shows the disconnect between the coaches and the FO.

Posted by: skinswest | November 12, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

whats a time-machine run off of?? leaded, unleaded....high test?? Can we fix more than one thing at a time...I mean, I'd like to go back to 2000 and draft Tom Brady with a 5th round pick, instead of the 6th round where the pats did....

I mean, why stop here....lets go back to Desmond Howard, and work our way forward...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

smutsboy, shut the f up and take your rehash loving ass elsewhere. First off no one is trying to argue with anyone. Second, ad hominem these nuts. If I felt like I didn't express my DISCONTENT with the Taylor trade oh about 100 times already, then maybe I would've posted something about it. I'm just calling it like I see it with Reid, and that's what it is. Too bad if you don't like it. Now if you want to hug homeboy's nuts feel free to do so, but EXCUSE me if I tend not to cream over his s***.

Like I said, most people are fully aware the cluster f*** that is the Redskins front office. You don't honestly think that EVRYONE and their mama is going to fell the way you, I, and most do about the front office do you?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Antonio Pierce?

He's being ripped daily by WFAN and the Times, NY Daily News, Newsday, NY Post, for his play this season, his comments about the Raiders game being like "a scrimmage" and his comments where he likened the Chargers game to a Super Bowl, then fled the locker room post-game refusing to speak to reporters.

I live in NY, and the more I see of him, the less regret I have that he's no longer playing for the Skins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise and Dan Snyder decided to acquire Taylor partly to play football for Snyder's first business, but also as a tryout, synergy building excerise for his other business, Hollywood! producer. They both wanted him to co-star in the next Mission Impossible. Plus, Tom wanted to dance with, laugh uproriously for, and possibly grope JT. When it became clear these plans would not work out, being that Taylor is both straight and sane, L. Ron Hubbard's alien's talking dildo ordered Cruise to order Snyder to order Vinny to make up some contractual sh*t that would give them a public reason to release Taylor. I'm surprised the Post still hasn't gotten to the bottom of this.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | November 12, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Guys, screw desmond howard, I'm going back to the 83 super bowl.....gonna change that call for the screen that squirek picked off....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

@Beantown Greg

Let's scrap the whole time machine thing and get Back to the Future. You know, the game on Sunday.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | November 12, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

At this point of the season we cannot fall into revisiting where the management messed up change has to come or we will be talking about the same thing next year. Mr. Mayor less move on..Please!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | November 12, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Stay classy Red, you make a strong case.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Outrageous! I come to RI to hear good news about my last place team. Make some up!

Posted by: mack1 | November 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Bored with football chatta on the eve of the Pats v. Colts showdown?

Select the best screenname:

smutsboy

priceisright

OffseasonChamps

BrokenClipboard

sufferinskinsfan

EpsteinsMothersDoctor

RambleOn

frak

sports_guru

dikshuttle

league-source

mattylight

beantowngreg

TheTruth

TheCork

Firejimzorn

romolongballs

periculum

mrredskin

redDmv

JaLacantwrite

brownwood

cindyboren

flounder21

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

While you're at it Bean, could you tell me what it the general thoughts were when Gibbs signed on to be HC?

Can someone let me know the impact of George Allen becoming the Redskins coach it what it meant to a perennial loser at the time?

Billy Klimer and Sonny Jurgensen?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

btw, where is talent_evaluator? Seems like I haven't seen him in a while.

Did he finally just give up on the Skins for this year?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What is the point of this post?

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 12, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Bored with football chatta on the eve of the Pats v. Colts showdown?

Select the best screenname:

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 10:57 AM |
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No contest.

My vote goes to EpsteinsMothersDoctor.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

te, became league source I believe.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Stay classy Red, you make a strong case.

Posted by: smutsboy


Says the dude with 'smut' in his screen name.

Classy is how I carry it with a female.

Rude and surly is a much better approach on RI, especially when Reid wants to get on some "stroll down memory lane" bs.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

No contest.

My vote goes to EpsteinsMothersDoctor.

Agreed.

And I forgot:

noonefromtampa

scampbell1975

southfloridaskinsfan

Lacanforasucks

mack1

mhartz

skinsneedagm

Barno,

and of course,

mistamoe

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I pick a name not on that list:

Richard Cranium.

I wish the dude would get his car stuck on the tracks and get steamrolled, but hey gotta give props on the screen name anyway.

Richard = Dick
Cranium = Head

Nice.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 10:57 AM

What no TWISI? That's a shame list if I've ever seen one?

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Personally I want to talk X's and O's with an incompetent coach, an offensive line that shouldn't be playing pop warner, let alone the NFL, and a team that picks top 10 almost every year.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

This is all you could come up with? Why bother???

Move along people...there's nothing to see here.
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Follow your own advice... and STFU idiot!

Posted by: iubiquity | November 12, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

JR should thank Jasno big time for establishing this blog, because on his own he would not cut it. Dumb post after dumb post.

At least Jasno got my blood going with his posts, JR, yawn...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The next post will be about picking up Jeff George and how it made Brad Johnson make a sad face.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 12, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Now we're rehashing Jason Taylor? You're living in the past this week, Mr. Mayor.

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There IS no present so why the f*** not??

Posted by: iubiquity | November 12, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

** TO ALL RI HAMSTERS - BOYCOTT THIS ENTRY **

We agreed to a requiem on all Jason Taylor related crap some time ago.

Exercise civil disobedience in protest by not posting on this entry.
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Truth hurts don't it!!

Posted by: iubiquity | November 12, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

** TO ALL RI HAMSTERS - BOYCOTT THIS ENTRY **

We agreed to a requiem on all Jason Taylor related crap some time ago.

Exercise civil disobedience in protest by not posting on this entry.
**************************

Truth hurts don't it fool!!

Posted by: iubiquity | November 12, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

So... Who are we losing to this week?

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

@MistaMoe

What, no love for the myfutonpullsoutbutIdont guy that posted on here once?

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | November 12, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins had not released Taylor, perhaps they would have used their first-round pick on tackle Michael Oher, instead of Orakpo, in an effort to help their offensive line, which the team identified as its most glaring weakness in the 2-6 collapse last season.

Or maybe not. But it's a thought.

By Jason Reid | November 12, 2009; 10:00 AM ET

And maybe if you wake up fast enough, you can see yourself sleeping.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 12, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

No fine for Hall in Redskins-Falcons skirmish
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 12, 2009 11:11 AM ET
Washington Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall will apparently get away from his sideline confrontation with Falcons coach Mike Smith without any league discipline.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the league reviewed the tape of the incident and saw nothing more than heated words, and so Hall will not be fined for the incident.

According to Schefter, Falcons coach Mike Smith is expected to be fined for his sideline confrontation with Hall, although there's no word on how much Smith's next paycheck will be docked.

We noted on Wednesday that two Redskins, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and safety LaRon Landry, were fined for their actions in the incident, but at the time neither player was saying how much he had been fined. Schefter reports that Haynesworth was fined $7,500 for escalating the incident as the "third man in." Landry was fined $5,000 for a late hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan that started the melee.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

There IS no present so why the f*** not??

Did the game versus denver get cancelled??

where is this being reported?? ESPN?? SI?? The Times?? NFL.com?? PFT?? I don't buy it, I've seen some of PFT's posts up here, and they NEVER seem accurate......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

There IS no present so why the f*** not??

Did the game versus denver get cancelled??

where is this being reported?? ESPN?? SI?? The Times?? NFL.com?? PFT?? I don't buy it, I've seen some of PFT's posts up here, and they NEVER seem accurate......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The holidays are coming.

Soon, we'll all be celebrating kwannza putting up a tree, hannakuh bush, or festivus pole.

Even the atheists will let go and share secular gifts over a meal of godless empathy.

I want to say this before the good feelings start.

The holidays are great for everybody except dads and husbands.

I don't cook Thanksgiving, but wind up washing the dishes.

Everybody gets a gift in December but me.

Mine comes in January when mrsmoe reminds me the bills are due.

Last year, she complained that she and her boyfriend couldn't get a hotel room as the credit cards had all been maxed out.

"Your creit issues are ruining my love life!" she screamed.

So before we get on down to celebrating, excessive drinking, and eating, I wish everybody joy as the fun time of the year draws near.

Me?:I don't want much.

I just want a 1st round draft pick that becomes a star player.

If the vikes can get a Harvin, can we get a Spiller and several breakaway runs next season?

If the saints can get a Brees, can't we get a Bradford and breezy 300 yards passing games?

What else could any redskins fan want at this point?

And to get it, you don't even have to put up a tree.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If I change my name to:

WhenSnyderFartsVinnysLipsQuiver

Then can I get a shout out?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 12, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

double post mutha bleepers!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Speak on the X and O's Greg! you got it man!

Heyer! Levi! Zorn! it's NFL football!

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the props Moe. Interesting story on how I came up with it. I looked at my laptop and added a K and a 1.

p1funk, how's the boycotting going?

Posted by: mack1 | November 12, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I just want a 1st round draft pick that becomes a star player.

If the vikes can get a Harvin, can we get a Spiller and several breakaway runs next season?

If the saints can get a Brees, can't we get a Bradford and breezy 300 yards passing games?

What else could any redskins fan want at this point?

And to get it, you don't even have to put up a tree.

Posted by: MistaMoe
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What, no Oline? You're gonna get cruxified now.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

How could I forget:

Twisi

CheyenneWY

RichardCranium

PAskinsfan17

WhenSnyderFartsVinnysLipsQuiver

myfutonpullsoutbutIdont

mrpink

mrred

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Well at least there's 2 games this weekend that should result in improving our draft position, our run for the gold, as it were: Titans/Bills and Chiefs/Raiders...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Your first Jasaon LaCanfora like post. Just don't let Jason Taylor become your Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: BC1963 | November 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

whats a time-machine run off of?? leaded, unleaded....high test??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 10:46 AM

GREAT SCOTT! Everybody knows it takes 1.21 gigawatts directly into the flux capacitor...

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

way to rub it in, Mr. Mayor... lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

See smuts, what Curz posted about Hall not getting fined is relevant to PRESENT news.

Not saying I was waiting on the edge of my seat to hear if he would be fined or not, but damn at least it has something to do with THIS season.

I'll take a "Lets come up with a nickname for Vinny" rather than talk about Jason Taylor simply because Cerrato is still here.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Damn Snyder's dark heart for the JT debacle!

By the way Riggo, when did you start talking like an old school native American? Is this from your Mohawk days?

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Well at least there's 2 games this weekend that should result in improving our draft position, our run for the gold, as it were: Titans/Bills and Chiefs/Raiders...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this is a good year to end up picking in the top 3. I haven't seen any player so clear cut above other players, even those that are considered "elite". A team could be better off getting a guy at say #7-10, than getting players #1-#3.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

GREAT SCOTT! Everybody knows it takes 1.21 gigawatts directly into the flux capacitor...

Posted by: 4-12


Wrong, 4-12.

Even though "Mr. Fusion" is a power source, the time machine still has an internal combustion engine that runs on gasoline.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Reid posts about season stuff, game stuff, and franchise-debacle stuff.

There is quite a bit of overreaction when he recaps mistakes that are very similar to ones Snyder is going to make again.

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

myfutonpullsoutbutIdont

LMAO -- WINNER!

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

what about that 5th round pick that we sent the jets for signing Chad Morton...lets revisit that...discuss...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

WTF!! Who cares about the Jason Taylor contract thing?

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Are you telling me that you built a time machine....out of a DeLorean?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Nobody wants to talk X's and O's about a 3-13 team?

:sad:

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Well at least there's 2 games this weekend that should result in improving our draft position, our run for the gold, as it were: Titans/Bills and Chiefs/Raiders...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this is a good year to end up picking in the top 3. I haven't seen any player so clear cut above other players, even those that are considered "elite". A team could be better off getting a guy at say #7-10, than getting players #1-#3.

Posted by: TWISI
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But maybe you're assuming too much rationality on the part of various teams. With all the *allegedly* very good QB's coming out this year (many draft gurus are forecasting 5-7 in the 1st round), several teams could do crazy things to get the guy they covet as their savior (teams get crazier about QB's, if they need one), therefore allowing the Skins to trade down from a very high position, add another high pick, etc (go from #1-#3 to a #7-#10 PLUS a 2nd rounder). For example, some team/s might see Bradford as the next Montana, even if it's totally unjustified. I want us to get a top 3 pick (not to mention it'll help us in the 2nd round, 4th, etc).

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If we do all that, Vinny can pick those TE's we desperately need...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

So you're saying Snyder wasted money, squandered draft picks, alienated players, and ultimately left the team worse off than if he'd done nothing at all?

Pretty much describes the last 10 years...

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 12, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Bored with football chatta on the eve of the Pats v. Colts showdown?

Select the best screenname:

I go with WHATS MARTY.S EMAIL ADDRESS

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I see Reid is making his case to be the GM of the coulda-shoulda-woulda Redskins.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 12, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

For you RED....CUrrent topics

Chester Taylor to Redskins?

http://blog.theredzone.org/ViewItem.asp?Entry=4066

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 12, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Danny has converted to scientology... hence the whole hanging out with Tom Cruise thingy.

It seems people who are really rich and have lost touch with reality seem to embrace these crazy things...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Yes! more draft picks for veterans!

I know it fails most of the time, but this time it will work!

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

btw, where is talent_evaluator? Seems like I haven't seen him in a while.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 10:58 AM

talent_evaluator wasn't getting it done. Everyone up here knew it, even periculum and pabrian. I was brought in as an extra pair of eyes to see what was wrong. In short, everything. Now I'm calling his plays for him. I don't think he'll be back, though.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"I haven't seen any player so clear cut above other players, even those that are considered "elite".


Your observation is why drafting based on need rather than BPA (best player availiable) makes sense.

The skins a tackle, and should take one.

But Vinny drafts what he thinks is the BPA.

And who knows who that could be in a year like this?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

How about that Jake Scott trade?

Was it worth it? I mean, sure he gave the Redskins a few decent years, but his prime playing years were spent in Miami.

Discuss....

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Im coining a new term today to describe our problems once and for all:

Roster Rot - def: A disease that results from improper maintenance of all 53 roster spots. See Redskins, The.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator wasn't getting it done. Everyone up here knew it, even periculum and pabrian. I was brought in as an extra pair of eyes to see what was wrong. In short, everything. Now I'm calling his plays for him. I don't think he'll be back, though.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM |
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Ahhh, I see.

Well, if I had known it was you I wouldn't have snapped at you last Sunday.

Of course, this season, I find myself snapping at everyone on Sundays.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny stays after this season, he has to have some dirt on Snyder big enough to give Dan a reason to not fire him...


any ideas on what that might be?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"If the Redskins had not released Taylor, perhaps they would have used their first-round pick on tackle Michael Oher, instead of Orakpo, in an effort to help their offensive line, which the team identified as its most glaring weakness in the 2-6 collapse last season."

It's a good question: why did Micheal Oher fall to the 23rd pick?

Certainly teams knew a lot about him, from the Sports Illustrated article on his fascinating life story. Has to be one of the most publicized draftees in years. Certainly he was rated as the number 1 or 2 tackle prospect going into the season. He had no particular injury history. So what caused him to fall to fifth among OL?

I don't know.

He started strong at right tackle for the Ravens, replacing a 33 year old veteran, but seems to have struggled (or so the blogs say in Baltimore) since shifting to the left side to replace another player. The Ravens as a team have struggled recently, except for the Denver game, so it's hard to single out Oher.

Other teams that passed on Michael after the Skins picked 13th: NO, HOU, SD, TAM, DEN, PHI, DET, CLE, and MIN. About half those teams needed OL help -- Philly among them.

Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Alex Mack -- all OL who went before Oher. Eric Wood, another center, went a few picks after Oher.

So Jason Reid, what do your inside sources say about Oher's precipitous fall?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

League fines Mike Smith $15,000
Posted by Mike Florio on November 12, 2009 11:59 AM ET
Well, the league office has spoken.

Per FOX's Jay Glazer, Falcons coach Mike Smith has been fined $15,000 for his role in first-half sideline skirmish during Sunday's game against the Redskins.

Smith is the third person to be fined. Redskins safety LaRon Landry, whose late hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan triggered the melee, and Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, who entered the fray later, have been fined. Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who loudly complained after finding himself accosted by Smith and others on the sideline, was not fined.

Though Smith didn't go quite as far as Woody Hayes 30 years ago, Smith's behavior required some type of discipline. And we also think that the league should make it clear to coaches that, when a fight breaks out, they should go the other way and let the zebras restore order.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Danny has converted to scientology...hence the whole hanging out with Tom Cruise thingy.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 11:59 AM


Think about it. Scientology requires that you tithe 10% of your income. Can you see Snyder joining a group that requires a 10% donation.

If he's hanging out with Cruise he's thinking "Wow, Tom Cruise will give 10% of his income to scientology? I'll bet I can get 20% out of him."

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to be rich and a total whack job to believe in aliens.

Thanks, gator. So Chester Taylor, huh? Well he's a low-mileage back, had a decent season before Peterson arrived and during the first year with them splitting carries proved that he could do well in a two back system.

For the right price I'd say go get him. But is he that "change of pace" back that will compliment a healthy Portis? Besides it doesn't matter anyway because with the o-line they have, you could have Dickerson, Sanders, and Bettis and still get the same results.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

chasgriffin

"With all the *allegedly* very good QB's coming out this year (many draft gurus are forecasting 5-7 in the 1st round), several teams could do crazy things to get the guy they covet as their savior...".


I think it means other players will be pushed out of the 1st round into the second.

Imagine if some of the better offensive linemen wind up in the second round where the skins pick?

It would nice to be a team with a quarterback: you could trade the 1st pick for more second rounders and get great depth players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Smith got off easy.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Danny has converted to scientology... hence the whole hanging out with Tom Cruise thingy.

It seems people who are really rich and have lost touch with reality seem to embrace these crazy things...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz
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It's not that complicated, Dan hung out with Tom to feel better about about his shortness. Besides, both their gods are $.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike Smith the Atlanta Falcons HC got fined 15,000.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 12, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Agree greg, he should have been suspended. There hasn't been anything reported regarding the strength coach Fish. He should also be suspended.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If he's hanging out with Cruise he's thinking "Wow, Tom Cruise will give 10% of his income to scientology? I'll bet I can get 20% out of him."

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I thought about it.. i still dont get it...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

It's not that complicated, Dan hung out with Tom to feel better about about his shortness. Besides, both their gods are $.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Im kinda looking for something more creative... let your inner chasgiffen explore the possibilities.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

How long before all DC sports teams make the playoffs the same year? Nats, Skins, Caps, and Wizards.....?

Posted by: FedorEm | November 12, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I hope that the Mayor is “allowed” to bring this up again in April when there isn’t a 6th rounder to use…..bunch of crybabies.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 12, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Your observation is why drafting based on need rather than BPA (best player availiable) makes sense.

The skins a tackle, and should take one.

But Vinny drafts what he thinks is the BPA.

And who knows who that could be in a year like this?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse
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I've brought this up before, but I don't think you can ignore the 'best available' option in the 1st round, maybe 2nd as well.

The reason being that you have to get value for your draft spot. Now, if you don't think that your spot aligns with needs, than you can try to trade down, but for the most part you want to get the most bang for your buck.

Now later in the draft, I think best available is a fools errand simply because it is impossible to compare talent that deep. So the best you can do is honestly evaluate what you need and look for a solution.

The problem with all this is that it simply doesn't matter what strategy you use if you don't scout well. Because either you aren't getting the best available or you aren't getting the need filled. And in our case we see evidence of both.

Last years draft was a wonderful example. We picked up 3 guys who seemingly graded well AND were needs. We see how well that has gone. Perhaps they will end up being productive somewhere along the line, but at this point is seems our evaluation was off the mark.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Why does it seem like Snyder is actually Biff Tannen. He has stolen a Sports Almanac from the future and has come back to profit, except he accidently came back a few years too late.

Snyder(Biff):(flipping through Almanac) Ohh looks like Archuletta had a good year, oh Vinnie...

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | November 12, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

So Jason Reid, what do your inside sources say about Oher's precipitous fall?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Precipitous fall?

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wait our Front Office made horrible, poorly-thought out decisions mortaging our future for splashy short-term "gain"?!?!?!

*** SHOCK AND AWE ***

Posted by: mac2j | November 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Danny has converted to scientology... hence the whole hanging out with Tom Cruise thingy.

It seems people who are really rich and have lost touch with reality seem to embrace these crazy things...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 11:59 AM
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maybe he did already.... I heard they had to probe his A-$$ and they found evidence that Vinny was tampering on it, LMFAO!

Posted by: alucard1 | November 12, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

So... Who are we losing to this week?

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 12, 2009 11:17 AM

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The Denver Broncos, which btw, seem to be having problems scoring as well but it'll be fixed this weekend and they'll look like contenders again because of the Deadskins. Broncos 17 Skins 3

and I heard that CP is gonna dress up again with his new wacky character, THE DEADSKINS RUNNING BACK, CLINTON "i can't run anymore than 2 yards per carry" PORTIS

Posted by: alucard1 | November 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord, let it go. Rehash again

I remember the day that Jason Taylor was signed. Nobody dogged the skins that day... There was alot of talk of other teams that really wanted to get him also.
It didn't look like a bad deal then. Cerrato deserves a pass for this one. If he had an average year, nobody would have complained. Now, you are dogging the skins again. Let it go. Please find something original.

Posted by: mcvacin | November 12, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Snyder got rid of the wrong guy during the off-season. He should have kept Taylor and got rid of Blache.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 12, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

what if .............my aunt had ba%$ ,she'd be my uncle. you can live in the past!! what if what if

Posted by: cmoore1 | November 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Sure, we could've had more draft picks. So what? Vinny would've blown them anyway.

Posted by: RIP-21 | November 12, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't see it as necessarily "rehashing" the Jason Taylor debacle as much as it's yet another indictment on Snyderato's management ability. To give away those two draft picks when the team was in an obvious need to get younger, NOT older is just insane. This has been going on for 10 years now....TEN YEARS. The Redskins have had the fewest amount of draft picks in the league since these two idiots took over.

Posted by: ywill316 | November 12, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"the Redskins were not in position to take a young running back, which many in the organization thought they needed."

Stop it. We're critiquing the Orakpo selection last week saying it should have been used on o-line and now we're saying that the Skins should have used a second-rounder for a RB. Which position of need was it?

So the Skins could have had another RB instead of screwing up with Taylor last year. Does that really make the team much better than it is with Betts right now?

Posted by: WorstSeat | November 12, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "Someone should dissect every move Vin and Dan have made since the Snyder era began. I'll bet their record would be unmatched for stupidity and incompetency. Almost nothing they've done has worked, and they never learn any lessons. I can't believe we are stuck with this egomaniacal dope as an owner. He lives in a money-lined bubble of delusion. Sell the team, Dan, and let someone else make this a team worth watching and supporting."

No....somebody should just dissect Vin and Dan, put the parts in formaldehyde, and keep it to show people in the future what diseased brains concocted.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | November 12, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I just hadn't realized how devastatingly bad that deal was. And Redskins didn't need another pass rushing end, since they hadwe had Carter, in that role. Lost #2 and #6 draft picks and paid out the wazoo to boot. That has to be criminal negligence managing a NFL franchise.

Thanks for posting Jason.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 12, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of thing that make Blache speak out on behalf of Snyder's generosity.

Posted by: Xlnt | November 12, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

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