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Devin Thomas Seems to Be Close to Z Role

I promised myself I would not write about Devin Thomas today because we've written a ton about him already and we aren't even a week into training camp.

But while speaking to people I trust in the organization last night, three separate sources praised Thomas for his improved approach. They told me he has been attentive in his position group meetings, works hard in drills and knows the playbook, three things that could not be said about him as a rookie last season.

Barring injury or regression, they said, expect Thomas to be the starting Z receiver, or flanker, opposite top wideout Santana Moss, the X receiver, or split end. They said it is clear that's the direction the coaching staff would prefer to go, which would enable the Skins to move last year's No. 2 receiver, Antwaan Randle El, to a full-time slot receiver role.

We've previously written that appeared to be the team's plan, so it's not my aim to present this as shocking news or a scoop of some sort. It's merely an update on a player whose performance is expected to be among the keys to the season. What did surprise me, however, was that informed guys all praised Thomas without me asking about him. I guess the kid really is serious about this season.

By Jason Reid  |  August 3, 2009; 1:03 PM ET
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D Thomas gets his FIRST receiving TD!!!!

Posted by: skins1110 | August 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

primo suckas!!!

Hope DT turns out to be our colston.

Posted by: bhoang888 | August 3, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Good news on one of last years disappointments anyway. Sounds like Kelly's doing alright as well.

Posted by: skinswest | August 3, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

that's good news about Thomas and Kelly. Any word on Davis?

Posted by: sjw1 | August 3, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I hope D Thomas can get himself to a position where he can make a significant contribution this year.

Posted by: A-Contrario | August 3, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Word up here is that the Eagles lb tore his acl, and is done for the year, the local sports talk radio says the eagles have all but confirmed this to be true....sucks for them.....I hate crap like this...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 3, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Excellent news regarding Thomas. The thing I like even more than the generic praise is the fact that nearly everything I've read about his training camp play so far has been regarding deep routes and big plays. That would be a welcome sigh of relief come week 1 if that is to continue.

Of course, continuing that trend depends on the offensive line's ability to protect for longer than a 3-step drop.

Posted by: psps23 | August 3, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Huzzah youth. Now, can we get him the ball?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 3, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Any word on how the running game looks or has the offensive line been struggling with that as well?

Posted by: skinswest | August 3, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Stewart Bradley out for year. Torn ACL. Sucks for Philly.

Posted by: cj658 | August 3, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Vinny, get on the horn for a trade or scour the waiver wire for a diamond in the rough. Don't leave right tackle to chance and don't make a panic move like last year when you went after Jason Taylor.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 3, 2009 1:09 PM

Feeling schizophrenic today? In the first sentence you ask him to make a panic move. In the second sentence you tell him not to. Your right brain doesn't know what your left brain is thinking.

Plenty of time to pick up an RT if we need one. Wait until the other teams have looked over their guys to see which teams have extra tackles on the roster. The last time we got a good one in preseason was Kendall, and he came in about the third week. There will be some talent available even when the other teams cut down to the 53 man roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 3, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Devin Thomas will be fun to watch this season. I can't wait to see him play. This team could get off cheaply at wide receiver if they could trade ARE. It sounds like they've got enough good young talent now that it makes it tempting to trade ARE. With young guys like Marko Mitchell and Marques Hagans pushing to be on the roster plus Malcolm Kelly penned in already, I think it does open up for discussion whether or not ARE is worth the money. AND, by carrying five receivers instead of six, it might free up a slot for one of the mini-mite running backs who could double as a punt returner.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 3, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The Fred Davis pick continues to mystify. I'm no pro scout but 86 didn't show me much at training camp Saturday. He looked slow and lethargic. Sad, we probably could've added a quality O-lineman, linebacker he!! FG kicker with that pick.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 3, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Barring injury or regression, they said, expect Thomas to be the starting Z receiver, or flanker, opposite top wideout Santana Moss, the X receiver, or split end.

By Jason Reid | August 3, 2009; 1:03 PM ET

You're mistaken. For a year now I've been reading Cork's posts about what a mistake it was to draft Thomas, that he was a loser, that WRs have to produce in their first year, etc. Now you're claiming Thomas will be a starter. Who do you expect me to believe, you or Cork?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 3, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Keeping doing you Mayor.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator,
Not schizo, or at least, not clinically proven to be... I was just thinking back to how Jason Taylor was signed: Daniels went down in the morning and Jason Taylor was signed that evening. Cerrato should take more time than that to find a right tackle, but clearly, if there is one position where they could use a little more depth, it is at tackle and they shouldn't waste too much time trying to find one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 3, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what trade value does Randel El have? And even with all of our low opinions of him he is the only other guy at WR that has done anything in games besides Moss at this level. They reworked his deal if I recall correctly so he can be cut after this year. Ride out one more season, this isn't fantasy football.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | August 3, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Even if he is not hugely productive maybe he can stall out some of the double teams that Santana Moss gets and open up the offense a bit.

Defenses knew last year that 89 was the only viable target.

I am going to see how many posts I can do with this inspector sitting 5 feet away evaluating me. I love my job!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | August 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

GOOD NEWS!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Do not sleep on Malcolm. I still think this kid is going to be a difference maker...the knee is a huge ?, but if it's not degenerative, he will also be a stud. Glad to hear that Thomas' attitude - seemingly his biggest ? - appears to have greaetly improved.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 3, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Thomas deep kappha (from the ayurvedic), slow on the uptake, but once aroused, make the best athlete..Pops confirmed this saying his first year in high school and college ball was shaky, followed by excellent play..If we can protect Campbell and Portis , this could be a great year..IF..

Posted by: frak | August 3, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What I want to see from Thomas is fight for the football. It looked like he gave up on some throws last year. We'll see in the preseason.

It takes awhile for receivers to catch up to the NFL. They're not the fastest guy on the field anymore, etc.

That said, the Redskins collectively need to figure out how to be just as good in the last half of the year as the first. First priority is the OL not wearing down. Second is not to get stale with the playcalling.


PS

Heheh I made a funny: receiver, catch, get it? I crack myself up.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 3, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

A great quote from Albert Haynesworth:
"Don't talk to me before the game, don't talk to me during the game. I'll talk to you after the game."

Posted by: abxinc | August 3, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't why you'd trade Randle El when the team's finally in a position to use him correctly -- unlike last season.

He should get a lot more opportunities in the slot than at flanker. And with less time on the field, he may even turn out to be a pretty good PR again.

Thomas is a big talent with real speed. If he can get going in the secondary, he should really be able to do some damage.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"...expect Thomas to be the starting Z receiver, or flanker, opposite top wideout Santana Moss, the X receiver, or split end."


Wow.

I guess from time to time, the sun does shine on the redskins.

We've lived through Rod Gardner, Jaquez Green, Michael Westbrook, Taylor Jacobs, Cliff Russell, somebody named Brandon Lloyd and now might have a solid young receiver.

Hey sun: keep shining.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 3, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

What I want to see from Thomas this year. Less pass interferences calls then our DB;s get, i would consider that progress. Great athlete needs to learn the mental part of the game.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 3, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

trading or cutting ARE this yr isn't an option, not even worth discussing. He still has some value in the slot and maybe punt returner (although i'd love to see Dorsey or someone else step up here). Lot to be said for veteran leadership, especially when the rooks combined for less than 20 catches last year.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 3, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

New York Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce was not indicted Monday by the grand jury investigating a gun charge against former teammate Plaxico Burress, Pierce's lawer Michael Bachner told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who want to cut ARE: he has a high cap number should he be cut.

That issued was discussed in this blog way back when Micheal Jackson was alive.

Let him 'ride out' this year as he can leave at the end of this season as per the terms of his re-negotiated deal.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 3, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

As stated on here time and time again, improvement of the receivers don't mean a damn thing if Campbell is inconsistent, or on his back.

The success of this offense solely relies on Campbell taking the next step, and above average blocking from the offensive line.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 3, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

and above average blocking from the offensive line.
Posted by: RedDMV | August 3, 2009 1:48 PM

Paging Mr Periculum. Phone call for Mr. Periculum.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 3, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

New York Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce was not indicted Monday by the grand jury investigating a gun charge against former teammate Plaxico Burress, Pierce's lawer Michael Bachner told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 1:43 PM

Can Roger Hitler Goodell still impose,at least, first game suspension on him anyway?

Posted by: abxinc | August 3, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

So after going through all 256 games this year I have my picks for what each team will do this year.

Here it is divided AFC v NFC.
NFC:
Atl 13 3
Min 12 4
NYG 11 5
SF 8 8

Was 11 5
Chi 9 7

NO 9 7
AZ 8 8
Phi 8 8
GB 8 8
Dal 7 9
Car 6 10
Stl 5 11
Sea 5 11
TB 5 11
Det 2 14

AFC:
Bal 14 2
IND 14 2
NE 11 2
SD 10 6

Ten 13 3
Pit 11 5

Cle 8 8
Hou 7 9
Mia 7 9
Cin 6 10
Jax 6 10
KC 6 10
NYJ 5 11
Buf 5 11
Oak 4 12
Den 2 14

Posted by: alex35332 | August 3, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The last 2 years have been the best of ARE's career. And while his yards were down in 08, he caught more TD. Why would you want to cut him?

Now, if you can get him back to 45 catches without a drop in productivity (like his 04 stats) by playing the slot, you should want to keep him even more.

Good grief.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 3, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

For the record Most of my predictions were based off "paper" not accounting for any unforseen event type stuff. This is why Baltimore is so high up, they face virtually no hard opponents this year.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 3, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | August 3, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little, clark.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 3, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"The success of this offense solely relies on Campbell taking the next step"

And Campbell 'taking the next step' relies very heavily on his surrounding pieces being able to provide him that opportunity. In no small part will Devin Thomas (and Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis) be needed in that equation.

In fact, it can just as easily be twisted the other way around. The improvement of JC doesn't mean a damn thing if his offensive line can't give him protection and his WRs outside of Moss/Cooley can't get open.

Posted by: psps23 | August 3, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

ignore hclark1, not worth your time. he posts the same trash on every board

Posted by: skins1110 | August 3, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Cincinnati tight end Reggie Kelly has suffered an apparent injury to his Achilles tendon during practice on Monday.
He reportedly left the facility in a van, with his left foot wrapped in a bag of ice. If Kelly ruptured the tendon, he likely will miss the entire season.
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Let's trade Sleepy Davis for the Bengals 2nd round pick next year, or I would take a 3rd and 4th.

Posted by: isnadd | August 3, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, you guess? Is it really so difficult to believe a young kid in his second year is going to mature from when his rookie season? It'd be MORE surprising if he DIDN'T improve.

This is great to hear, but it would be even more insightful to read the tea leaves and predict how this will impact Kelly's development. Is he now competing with ARE for the slot receiver position?

Posted by: McMetal | August 3, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

As stated on here time and time again, improvement of the receivers don't mean a damn thing if Campbell is inconsistent, or on his back.

The success of this offense solely relies on Campbell taking the next step, and above average blocking from the offensive line.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 3, 2009 1:48 PM

I agree with the spirit of your message, but Thomas and Kelley couldn't even get on the freakin' field last year. It's a big deal if they are able to provide better options for the QB. If they actually earn their ways onto the field, and stop dropping passes, it can't help but improve the performance and confidence of one JC17.

As for the O-line, we just have to hope they allow enough time and open enough holes for the skill players to make a difference on offense. Maybe Rhinehart can earn his way onto the field, even though it seems like he's missing in action--just like last year.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 3, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I would not trade Sleepy. Lets trade Todd.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 3, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

ARE has been good enough??? Since when should a team be satisfied with "good enough"? Santana Moss deserves wide receivers in the other positions that will not allow a defense to gang up on him. ARE is not that receiver. Think in terms of Boldin and Fitzgerald in Arizona. That is what the Redskins want: a two-headed monster at receiver. When you throw a Cooley and Portis into that mix it would be enough to make opposing defensive coordinators have migraines. I am not saying Devin Thomas' name should even be mentioned in the same sentence with Boldin and Fitzgerald, but the kid has potential - which is more than ARE has at this point in his career.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 3, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Dude --

ATL at 13-3?
MIN at 12-4?

I think the Falcons are way way WAY over-rated. The only quality win they had outside the division came over GB early in the season. I predict they come back to earth in 09.

MIN... two words Tavaris Jackson, QB. I don't know how you can put Da Bears with that jackass Cutler behind MIN.

But, kudos on going through the year. Needs some work, though since the total wins don't add up to the total losses.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 3, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Let's trade Sleepy Davis for the Bengals 2nd round pick next year, or I would take a 3rd and 4th"

logical....very, very logical....smart, and well thought out.

Brilliant, if I do say so.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 3, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Davis can't even earn his way onto the field in a 28th ranked offense. What makes anyone think he can notch a 2nd round pick?

Posted by: Alan4 | August 3, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

ARE has been good enough??? Since when should a team be satisfied with "good enough"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 3, 2009 2:11 PM

Since they introduced the salary cap.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 3, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

ARE has 2 good games a season, provides us with zero spark on special teams...but he was never supposed to be a #2. As a true #3 option (which means we need a real #2) ARE could provide a spark for our offense, just like when he was in Pittsburgh.

If Devin Thomas catches 100 balls, does that mean he'll have 25 pass interferences? Seems to be about his average.

Posted by: Section104 | August 3, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

dcp2003


"The last 2 years have been the best of ARE's career. And while his yards were down in 08, he caught more TD. Why would you want to cut him?"


You is so right.

Randle El's last two seasons are much better than what he ever did in stillersland.

Thing is, he just isn't that much of a threat opposite Moss-Cooley.

Who fears a guy who catches short passes or fair catches most punts?

What folks who prefer is fewer catches, but for more yardage. El caught a lot of 'check downs' and 'dumpoff passes' last year.

El doesn't stretch the field as much as say, D Thomas might: and that's where the frustration with him lies.

Let him play out his contract and move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 3, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Can someone get McMetal some McQuaaludes....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Your right NE should be 11-5 not 11-2. Again a lot has to do with the strength of schedule. Some teams are looking at playing really cake walk schedules. Some play in bad conferences. I am low on every team in the NFC North except Minnesota, and I am low on a lot of the NFC South.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 3, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well ill take it, I caould care less about any we only won b/c talk if were holding a trophy.
And J.Johnson was their defense, best blitz caller in the league bar none. Dik Lebeau the Steelers D cor is great but they blitz out of a 3-4. to do the kind of things J.Johnson did out of the 4-3 is simply incredible, R.I.P. Also losing Stewart Bradley would be monumental.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 3, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse


not saying that it doesnt count or that i dont want it to happen. im just saying that i dont want to believe that we are that good because we won the division and then turn around and get bounced out of the playoffs. i want to beat teams with ease while they are at full strength so that we enter the playoffs at full swagg and know that we really can and will handle anyone in our way. now superbowl, i could care less what excuse was given to justify the trophy coming home. i will take that victory all day, EVERY DAY!!! and i agree that losing jim johnson was a MONUMENTAL loss for the birds. that alone is relief to us. i feel for his family and pray that they can overcome the loss.

Posted by: mafreeman | August 3, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I went to Camp on Sat. morning and Thomas was easily the best WR on the field. 'tana looked out of shape to me. Never seen him that "stocky"

Posted by: Gweez | August 3, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhmm,

I think that "slot" where ARE is supposed to go may be where Cooley will end up ... with "Sleep" Davis at tight end if his blocking skills are as good as his college reports indicate. They need all the help they can get on that OL. Especially at tight end to help the right tackle.

At this point they need blocking not pass catching they have plenty of candidates for that role. You would think one or two would pan out.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

ARE's last 2 years, the best of his career, are a testament to JC17's development. ARE's not a real threat opposite Moss and Cooley, and on many teams he wouldn't even be starting.

JC17 is clearly working with what he's been given.

I look forward to seeing JC17 with talented new recievers, and I hope the O-line isn't as terrible as they were in 2nd half of the year last year. The Skins will surprise a lot of critics if the O-line can translate flipping truck tires into solid pass blocking, and good run blocking.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 3, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Who fears a guy who catches short passes or fair catches most punts?"

Any team that fears Wes Welker. I don't think I've seen Welker run a route beyond 12 yards in all the games I've seen of New England. The difference between the two? Randy Moss and whoever is on the opposite side pull their DBs deep as hell, leaving Welker space to operate against a LB or S. Welker will win that battle every time. So will Randle El.

Posted by: psps23 | August 3, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This was the plan since they drafted Thomas last year so it's not a big surprise. ARE's strength is as a slot receiver and on gadget plays, not as a starting WR. Hopefully, his reduced number of plays on offense will translate to better production on punt returns. I still don't see the role that Zorn envisions for Fred Davis.

IF ARE is going to be the slot receiver and we use three wides a lot of the time, when will Free Davis play? Cooley is in every scheme the Skins use and doesn't come out from breathers. I'm thinking more and more that Davis will never play very much here and will move on to another team in a year or two. He probably will play some in the redzone and short yardage as the 2nd TE, but I don't see his role being much more than that this year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 3, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The OL (just as in the past with Donny Warren) would definitely benefit by having a blocking tight end who just happens to be a pretty fair pass catcher. But if I am Zorn / Bugel I surely would want that blocking in there. Fred Davis stepping up could go a long way toward helping what I perceive as the weakest link in the chain.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

ARE will be more productive per play at the #3 WR working out of the slot like other small quick receivers... he's too short to be on the outside all the time. Malcolm should get more redzone touches than ARE with his size. Definitely would try some 20 yard fade routes toward the back of the endzone.

For once, it's nice to see the 'skins are really taking this season seriously & have put the offseason work in to hopefully take our offense/team to the next level. Hopefully, we can get the breaks this season, as the difference between 11-5 & 8-8 is very minimal in the NFL.

Posted by: tony325 | August 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Mista, I agree. ARE is a good complement, a professional who will run good routes. But he's not the guy who catches balls in traffic. That's going to be the key to Thomas' season: if he can make those really tough catches in the middle of the field, then the safeties have to play middle and 89 is going to get some room down the sidelines.

What I want to know is who is going to be backing up JC? Will Colt step into the #2 (job)? Is Colt a Wildcat guy, and if so, will we see that from the Redskins this year.

Imagine B-Mitch after the Fins started having success with the Wildcat. It's like they watched the tape of the Body Bag Bowl and went... hey, why not do that every once in awhile?

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Davis can't even earn his way onto the field in a 28th ranked offense. What makes anyone think he can notch a 2nd round pick?
Posted by: Alan4
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Three reasons Really, I'd like to take the 2nd part first if that's OK.

2. That offense has one of the top ranked TE in Cooley.

1. It's the Bengals.

I don't think there is any chance that a trade would happen, but wouldn't it be nice if we could some return on our complete waste of a 2nd round pick last year. I don't even want to know which future Hall-of-Fame offensive lineman were available with that pick.

Posted by: isnadd | August 3, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

You may see less of Sellers and more of Davis who brings more offensive firepower to the table along with blocking. Its hard to tell.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

2. That offense has one of the top ranked TE in Cooley.

He was drafted by Gibbs as an "H-back". He really isn't the kind of blocker you want on the line. Perhaps in the backfield.

1. It's the Bengals.

Davis was ranked high both in pass catching and blocking.

If its a choice between Sellers / ARE combo, and
a Cooley / Davis combo I would go with the latter for some odd reason.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

You may see less of Sellers and more of Davis who brings more offensive firepower to the table along with blocking. Its hard to tell.
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You might be correct, but I think Sellers as excelled on offense every time we have given him the ball. That dude runs harder than a fat kid chasing after an ice cream truck (no offense ChrisLarry).

Posted by: isnadd | August 3, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The Bengals might take Sellers ... he can play tight end, he is angry about his contract.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Welker was doing that before he was on the Pats. He was just higher profile there.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 3, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Davis is young. Sellers is over 30. ARE is pretty much washed up ... why wasted a 2nd round pick by playing those guys?

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

here comes Periculum's Cooley rants.....yeah he's the problem. And Davis might be bigger but he is hardly a blocking TE.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Vick will be a Redskin by Aug. 15th. Contract on the table.

Posted by: cj658 | August 3, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"Who fears a guy who catches short passes or fair catches most punts?"

Any team that fears Wes Welker.

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True.

But I don't think Randle El is as 'quick' or can 'shake' underneath coverage like Welker can.

To me, Welker is one of the best receivers in the league and doesn't get props like other cats do.

Running Moss and Thomas on underneath crossing routes puts both of them in an advantage as not too many d-backs can stay with them.

Devin Thomas has 4.3 speed: believe me, dude will be a threat to make big gains out of short catches in ways Randle El never could.


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 3, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

here comes Periculum's Cooley rants.....yeah he's the problem. And Davis might be bigger but he is hardly a blocking TE.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009

And here come CL's periculum rants. Didn't some infer you were a "fat kid chasing an ice cream truck?" Kind of hilarious image appearing right now.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Vick will be a Redskin by Aug. 15th. Contract on the table.

He still misses six games or more. NoOp.

Posted by: periculum | August 3, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

ARE has been good enough??? Since when should a team be satisfied with "good enough"? Santana Moss deserves wide receivers in the other positions that will not allow a defense to gang up on him. ARE is not that receiver. Think in terms of Boldin and Fitzgerald in Arizona. That is what the Redskins want: a two-headed monster at receiver. When you throw a Cooley and Portis into that mix it would be enough to make opposing defensive coordinators have migraines. I am not saying Devin Thomas' name should even be mentioned in the same sentence with Boldin and Fitzgerald, but the kid has potential - which is more than ARE has at this point in his career.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

ARE is good enough. Teams can't have all pros everywhere. I wanted Boldin or Housh -- the Skins pursued ochocinco and didn't get him, then used 3 high draft picks on guys that sucked as rookies. Oh well. Both Housh and Boldin had huge years in 2008.

The real issue is that 3 WR sets are common, if not the norm. In the 2nd half of last season, Moss was injured enough so he wasn't a major threat, the OL was awful and we had no 3rd WR.

ARE was not the problem. I do think, however, he'd be better as a WR is he gave up punt returns. And based on his performance as a PR, he shouldn't be returning punts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Great logic. Play Davis because he is young rather than Sellers who paves the way for Portis. Can't do anything but shake your head at some of this stuff.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | August 3, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"That dude runs harder than a fat kid chasing after an ice cream truck (no offense ChrisLarry)."

Whoa that was outta left field is-a-nadd. What gives. Also ice cream I can take or leave...now if it was a pulled pork truck....

And I am sure Nadds, you are quite the beefcake right?

Just ask JM220 which one of us got hit on while a gaggle of us RIers were out in Manhattan (clue: ME!)

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I just had Ice Cream for Lunch....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Atl 13 3
Car 6 10

Atl is not going to win 13 games. I will be shocked if they win 9 games. They have to play the NFC East plus New England on the road. Car is going to win that division again. They won 12 games last year and you have them winning 6 this year.

Min 12 4
Det 2 14

Min will probably win 8 games. They don't even know who their QB is yet. Det will win more than 2 games. I saying 5 to 6.

Posted by: TheJury | August 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You might be correct, but I think Sellers as excelled on offense every time we have given him the ball. That dude runs harder than a fat kid chasing after an ice cream truck (no offense ChrisLarry).

Posted by: isnadd

Sellers fumbles too much.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Just ask JM220 which one of us got hit on while a gaggle of us RIers were out in Manhattan (clue: ME!)

Posted by: chrislarry

LMAO! I see you are not going to let this one down. Yes, CL was the one that got hit on.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Welker is better overall. But even if ARE is 80% of the player Welker is, that's still a hell of a slot receiver.

Running Moss and Thomas on underneath routes only works if Moss and Thomas have space to operate underneath. The problem? Moss and Thomas will be needed to stretch the field in order to provide that space. Obviously, you can't do both at the same time. Every once in a while, it'll work to switch things up, but on a consistent basis, it's more beneficial for the team to have those two operating deep and Randle El operating underneath than it is to have Moss and Thomas operating underneath and nobody stretching deep.

Posted by: psps23 | August 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"IF ARE is going to be the slot receiver and we use three wides a lot of the time, when will Free Davis play? Cooley is in every scheme the Skins use and doesn't come out from breathers."

I think the plan is to change that balance to get more 2 TE sets on the field.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"And here come CL's periculum rants."

Those with long memories remember the Priest Holmes era....nuff said. You're a Bama.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You're mistaken. For a year now I've been reading Cork's posts about what a mistake it was to draft Thomas, that he was a loser, that WRs have to produce in their first year, etc. Now you're claiming Thomas will be a starter. Who do you expect me to believe, you or Cork?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I think Paul Simon wrote The Boxer just for you with the line: "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

As usual, you've winnowed down a year's worth of postinginto a few short snarks, that fit your purpose.

Yup, I said Thomas sucked last year along with the rest of the draft class, except Horton. I also said if GENIUS-BOY Vinny knew that, knew Thomas and Kelly would blow off their rookie seasons by showing up out of shape and in Thomas's case, disinterested, then why oh why the hell did he throw away a 2nd round draft pick for Jason Taylor?

Looks like he got lucky with Thomas, if indeed he continues to pay attention in class, and work and play well with others. If Kelly's bum knee holds up, he could be two for two. As a redskin fan, that's good news.

If Snyderatto had not panicked and grabbed for Taylor--reversing a build-thru-the-draft philosophy, he might even have a Right tackle this year.

But that falls on the deaf ears of a guy like T_E, who hopes to enhance his rep by ad hominum attacks in lieu of actual analysis.

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

not sure if this got posted before, but a fair bit of Skins talk in Peter King's column, including a good bit of Blache on the late Jim Johnson.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/03/NFL.takes/2.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"That dude runs harder than a fat kid chasing after an ice cream truck (no offense ChrisLarry)."

Whoa that was outta left field is-a-nadd. What gives. Also ice cream I can take or leave...now if it was a pulled pork truck.... And I am sure Nadds, you are quite the beefcake right?
Posted by: chrislarry
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Chris, just havin' fun. I needed to pick someone and I though "who will be reading this and be slightly offended" and came up with you. It's all good.

Although you did call me a "tard" last year.

Posted by: isnadd | August 3, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Devin Thomas has 4.3 speed: believe me, dude will be a threat to make big gains out of short catches in ways Randle El never could.Posted by: MistaMoe"

true, but if he's the flanker they'll be sending him deep a fair amount, so ARE will be isolated underneath.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | August 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

From the headline, for a second there I was afraid JReid had turned into that horribly annoying guy from those old Zima commercials.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"ARE was not the problem. I do think, however, he'd be better as a WR is he gave up punt returns."

I think so, too. Or at least just got on the field for fewer plays.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Vinny, get on the horn for a trade or scour the waiver wire for a diamond in the rough. Don't leave right tackle to chance and don't make a panic move like last year when you went after Jason Taylor.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

Feeling schizophrenic today? In the first sentence you ask him to make a panic move. In the second sentence you tell him not to. Your right brain doesn't know what your left brain is thinking....

Posted by: talent_evaluator

What? ANOTHER ad hominum attack?

Actually, I thought this was pretty good, but I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored.

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

its all good Nadds. I cant take the jokes, but if I hadn't responded you would have been disappointed right?

And I pretty sure I have called everyone up here a tard.....

It is good to hear Cork (who I have to say has TE pegged) use "ad hominum" again. That never gets old.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

whoops I went all Frued...said "I cant take the jokes" when I meant "can take the jokes...)

OK time for therapy.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Just ask JM220 which one of us got hit on while a gaggle of us RIers were out in Manhattan (clue: ME!)

Posted by: chrislarry

LMAO! I see you are not going to let this one down. Yes, CL was the one that got hit on.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

JM220, Of course I never let anything go. I mean Haley's Comet is important for a reason right?

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I have a COCK a doodle doo.

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 3, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

How much does this donkey get paid? His "Redskins Updates" are so enlightening. My penis could do a better job.

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 3, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, CL was the one that got hit on.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 2:48 PM

By a man or a woman? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 3, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | August 3, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

All in good fun CL. I had a blast with you and Nate. We need to get together again this year for drinks. OK drinks for you guys and water for me. lol

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Should injection be concerning?

By Ryan O'Halloran on Aug. 3, 2009 into Redskins

Today's lone practice at Redskin Park is about two hours away and it will be another hot one down in the furnace that is the Redskins' four practice fields.

One note of interest yesterday was Jim Zorn revealing that DT Albert Haynesworth had a Synvisc injection in his left knee.

Haynesworth has participated in four full practices and just gone through individual work in two others.

Zorn called the injection "a normal thing."

But shouldn't this be a red flag?

In his six years as a starter, Haynesworth has played 12, 10, 14, 11, 13 and 14 games. The early over-under amongst us media-folk is 12 games this year.

Doing a quick search last night of what a Synvisc injection entails changed my view on how this shouldn't be considered a normal thing.

One search said: "Synvisc is injected directly into the knee joint to restore the cushioning and lubricating properties of normal joint fluid. Synvisc injections are approved for the treatment of osteoarthritis of the knee in those who have failed to respond to more conservative therapy."

Yikes.

Haynesworth is expected to practice today but this will require season-long monitoring.

*Huge loss for the Philadelphia Eagles today. MLB Stewart Bradley tore his ACL and is out for the year. The Eagles are already trying to figure out how to replace S Brian Dawkins (signed with Denver) and now Bradley is done. Not a great start for new defensive coordinator Sean McDermott.

Ryan O'Halloran


http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/aug/03/should-injection-be-concerning/

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

A great quote from Albert Haynesworth:
"Don't talk to me before the game, don't talk to me during the game. I'll talk to you after the game."
Posted by: abxinc |

He’s a regular Norman Einstein.

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Davis can't even earn his way onto the field in a 28th ranked offense. What makes anyone think he can notch a 2nd round pick?

Posted by: Alan4

Um, Greater Fool Theory?

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

beepity beep beep

Posted by: skinswest | August 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, CL was the one that got hit on.

Posted by: jm220 | August 3, 2009 2:48 PM

By a man or a woman? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Zing! Good one.....(groan)

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL....good. F the eagles.

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

the odds were, on drafting Thomas and Kelly, a bit better than 50/50 that one or the other would be a solid NFL WR. The odd on both succeeding were about 1/10. Draft 2 guys, get 1 -- makes sense (unless of course, instead of drafting 2, you trade for Boldin or Housh ... in which case your chances of getting a stud WR were right around 100%).

If Roydell and ARE are both 500 yard+ guys plus Moss stays healthy, our WR corp is fine, with or without Thomas, Kelly, Eloi and so forth.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

My balls itch.

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 3, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

First off, Carolina is not going to be that strong this year, Delhome is overrated. Atl has the best run game in the south. Minnesota has played with out a QB for 3 years and are still running.

It all comes down to looking at the schedule and saying, should they win or lose this game. When it comes down to looking at each game, its a stretch to say Detroit should win 2 games, I couldn't look at their schedule and tell you a single team that they play and are a lock to win that game.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 3, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

If Snyderatto had not panicked and grabbed for Taylor--reversing a build-thru-the-draft philosophy, he might even have a Right tackle this year.

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

That 2nd Round pick would have been packaged for Sanchez. The JT experiment actually saved the Skins from starting over AGAIN with a QB as interested in GQ spreads as he is in learning a spread offense. And some other team blog would be buzzing with Orakpo-Maniacal thoughts of the League's top rated defense.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | August 3, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"ARE was not the problem. I do think, however, he'd be better as a WR is he gave up punt returns."

Some Truth About Antwan Randle El

Let's face facts, guys: The skins FO over-reached and over-paid for Randle El after watching his performance in the super bowl against the hawks.

Dan and Vinny had visions of his lighting up FEDEX Field that weren't tempered by the reasonable argument that if he wasn't a dominant receiver for a super bowl winning team, why would he be one for a team that wasn't?

Santana Moss' punt return for a touchdown against the lions last season summed up El's failure as a punt returner.

Had D Thomas been on the ball from 'jump street,' we'd be that much further along in waving Randle El good-bye.

Randle El, like Andre Carter and Lavernaues Coles before him, was a good idea poorly executed when it comes to redskins' free agent signings.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 3, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Sellers is still a beast. Keep in mind he is a full back, a pro bowl one at that not a TE, i dont know why people would rag on him he has one boneheaded play one the goal line and now hes garbage?
I bet if you asked CP26 who the most important players are on the team Sellers would be near the top of that list. He does wonders for our run game.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 3, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Devin is a tall brick constantly forgetting his routes. Vinny is an even bigger brick for passing up Eddie Royal.

Posted by: jercha | August 3, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I sh!t a brick one time.

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 3, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope D.Thomas continues to improve.

I hope Kelly can improve AND stay healthy.

I hope Davis wakes up and learns the offense.

I hope my homeboy M.Hagans makes the team, I know dam well he can return punts better than ARE.

Last but not least I hope our Oline can pass protect so JC can throw more than 3 & 4 yard hitches.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 3, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You go DT. The world is your oyster.

Put Aldridge back on teams. He should be able to stay healthy for 8-10 games. Sorry my man ARE but you are going to be too valuable this year in the slot, because yes, the 3-4 yard hitch will open up some other stuff

Posted by: ElYeah | August 3, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you are so much better than that La Canfora cat. I am going to add this blog back to my RSS feed now that you have taken over full time. I've read your last few postings here and you are doing a great job.

Posted by: seraphina | August 3, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

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