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Dockery's Ex-Teammate Seems Unlikely Fit

Many of you have emailed me, some repeatedly, since Tuesday night about the Redskins' possible interest in veteran tackle Langston Walker, whom the Buffalo Bills released in another cost-cutting move along their offensive line.

As I'm sure everyone remembers, the Bills cut guard Derrick Dockery in February, leading to his return to the Redskins.

Given the Redskins' offensive line concerns, I understand why fans would want Walker on the roster. After texting with a few league sources, however, I don't think Walker is coming to the Redskins. At least not at this point.

I'm sure the Redskins received an informal scouting report from Dockery on Walker, which is a common practice when players are familiar with former teammates.

I'm not sure how the Redskins evaluate Walker's skill level at this point of his career, but he was scheduled to have a base salary of $3 million, and he probably wants something in that neighborhood to sign. The Redskins kept 10 offensive linemen on the opening 53-man roster, in part, because of concerns about left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas, who are coming off offseason knee surgery and experienced knee problems in the preseason. With Mike Williams and D'Anthony Batiste as the backup tackles, the Redskins appear to lack quality depth at the position. But I don't think Walker will be part of the solution.

By Jason Reid  |  September 9, 2009; 10:48 AM ET
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$3 mil is worth it for a LT. Lord, why are we even thinking about it??

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Walker is 30, but as long as we don't give him a huge back loaded contract he would be a welcome addition

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Matt,
I believe you can answer that with a few words, panic, fear, contempt, robots.
Take your pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 9, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Just going for the trifecta..

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

$3 mil is worth it for a LT. Lord, why are we even thinking about it??

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Because it's entirely possible the guy sucks. Even with a front office as apparently disfunctional as Buffalo's-there's likely a performance based reason they're letting this guy go.

Posted by: bostskin | September 9, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember the Bills' O setting the world on fire last season, but between Dock and that sack-allowing dude the Iggles signed, I guess their O line had some good pieces... but for some reason I just don't think this Langston Walker would be the depth we need. As compared to, say, all the other free agent tackles on the market who we haven't signed.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"....But I don't think Walker will be part of the solution."


He or some other vet will and should be if sacks are a part of the problem.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Because it's entirely possible the guy sucks. Even with a front office as apparently disfunctional as Buffalo's-there's likely a performance based reason they're letting this guy go.

Posted by: bostskin | September 9, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse
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Always possible, but even if the Bills have him rated as 'suck', how much do you trust their rating system?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Robots. I like it.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Hm...glad I don't live in Maryland. According to that map, Fox won't be showing any game for the 1:00 slot."

Only for the "Baltimore Viewing Area"...those unlucky souls have to watch the Browns...I mean Ravens.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 9, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

the Bills Oline, last year, did give up more sacks than the Skins or at least equal to (I think). That was one of the reasons the Bill waived Dockery.. He was scape goated as the main culprit.
However, given the current level of back up talent on the Skins OLine... Langston would still be an upgrade.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I want O Line, but Dockery will know him better'n anyone else we got... I think...

So if he says 'no', I'm willing to pass.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Because it's entirely possible the guy sucks. Even with a front office as apparently disfunctional as Buffalo's-there's likely a performance based reason they're letting this guy go.

Posted by: bostskin | September 9, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

For starters he's not a LT. He is a RT and they tried to put him in LT after Peters left. Karl Malone's undrafted son(Demetrius Bell) played better than Langston Walker at LT. That's why they let him go. He wants 3 miliion. Do we even have 3 million? 3 million for a 30 year old backup RT seems like a lot. I think we can save 2.5 million and let BMW whiff a few blocks instead of this guy.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Always possible, but even if the Bills have him rated as 'suck', how much do you trust their rating system?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'm sure we would evaluate film on our own.

Posted by: bostskin | September 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Our best QB is Tom Collins. do u even watch the Skins??

Posted by: prescrunk | September 9, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse
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Bartender! I'll have another Todd Collins and some more beer nuts.

Posted by: TheCork | September 9, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Levi or Langston, I don't care which, but when you already have a cheap starter on the roster in Heyer, you can afford to pay for a quality backup or even a starter (it would be hard to imagine Heyer is better than either of those two guys) when you have zero depth and big time injury risk at LT. Especially when basically your whole season tanked last year because of the same problem and your whole season this year basically rests on the health/effectiveness of your oline......

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Aw, yeah... The joanin' session is on...

4th, I know you've seen 'The Five Heartbeats'. Remember when Eddie Kane rolls up on them after the show all strung out and what not.

http://showhype.com/video/the_five_heartbeats_eddie_s_comeback/

"DANNNN.... Nights like this...I wish...raindrops would...fa-ha-ha-ha-all."


4th = Eddie Kane

Posted by: RedDMV | September 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Because it's entirely possible the guy sucks. Even with a front office as apparently disfunctional as Buffalo's-there's likely a performance based reason they're letting this guy go.

Posted by: bostskin | September 9, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse


It's also very likely that the Redskins don't have the room under the cap to add anyone of quality to the roster as depth at this point. Which is why they are reaching with Mike Williams.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

So let's say we take Walker. Who do you cut?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

My analysis = Walker > Williams at this point. If Samuels goes down we have to move Heyer to LT and start Williams.

It would not be - in my mind - a bad idea to get the guy who bumped Williams onto the Burger King Squad.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Who do you cut?


Rock. Do it today. Mason/DT jump into his kr spot. Make it happen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I pray for the day we draft enough competent offensive lineman so we don't all have to go nuts everytime some low level rent-a-scrub lineman hits the streets. Even homeless guys don't scramble for other people's scraps like this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow, it's totally awesome to be days away from kickoff and have serious issues with our O line depth!

Thanks, Vinny and Danny! You guys rock! Keep up the great work!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Or to have 10 guys and still have problems w/ O Line depth.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I see it, but basically I'm coming out of a timewarp where we were fond of Rock, and I'm curious to know why opinion has soured on him so dramatically.

Is he too old and we think Mason can do as well against real football players (vs. the future truck drivers he's used to)? Or has Rock just worn out his welcome?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Rock only plays special teams, redskirt, I think that's the heart of the issue. He's pretty good at it, but that's all he does.

And he had the temerity to suggest he's angry because Mason leapfrogged him on the RB depth chart. When he (Rock) has had plenty of time to move up that chart himself, but never has.

I think that's the gist of it... I say if James Thrash was expendable, Rock Cartwright is expendable.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 9, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Is he too old and we think Mason can do as well against real football players (vs. the future truck drivers he's used to)? Or has Rock just worn out his welcome?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse
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Rock has been under the radar because we've had high flying issues with WR, QB, DL, OL, and punter as of late.

Rock wasn't the problem, but as we start fixing or improving areas, Rock was bound to come under fire at some point.

I view it as a positive thing: If we are talking about the kick returner, we must have plugged some pretty significant gaps, 'cuz you know we would complain about something if we went 16-0 and won the SB.

'But we didn't break Romo in two...'

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

So let's say we take Walker. Who do you cut?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Depends on when, as a veteran his contract is guaranteed for the season if on the week 1 roster, I expect if we make a move for a vet tackle it will be next week, but to answer the question Baptiste.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Skirt, it started w/ the Aldrige/Mason adulation and then capitulated when Rock came out against his status as a 'Special Teams Guy'.

I love Rock's ST & return ability. Don't give a hoot about his running. It's nice to know you have a deep backup who's talented... but that's not where he's going to make cheese.

When he came out all CPo and complaining, I though it was out of line, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Is he too old and we think Mason can do as well against real football players (vs. the future truck drivers he's used to)? Or has Rock just worn out his welcome?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

James Thrash is gone so we had to find a new special teamer to run out of town. Plus Rock seems to think he's more than a special teamer despite 8 years of data that would suggest otherwise.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Giants could be light on corners come Sunday
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2009 11:14 AM ET
When the New York Giants host the Redskins to start the season for the second straight year, two members of their secondary might not be available.

Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger reports, Twitter style, that cornerbacks Aaron Ross and Kevin Dockery are not practicing on Wednesday.

Ross suffered a hamstring injury in late August, and he hasn't practiced since. On Monday, coach Tom Coughlin said the team is optimistic that Ross will be able to play.

Posted by: TWISI | September 9, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Our best QB is Tom Collins. do u even watch the Skins??

Posted by: prescrunk | September 9, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse
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Bartender! I'll have another Todd Collins and some more beer nuts.

Posted by: TheCork | September 9, 2009 11:10 AM
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based on what opposing DC's said at the end of last season.. I'd rather see Collins doing the playcalling to JC's headset versus Zorn.
Zorn was easily predictable according to Def Coord's which (along with the OLine problems) led to the 2-6 last half.

And Collins is used to calling his own plays since leather helmets couldnt be "miked up"..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Just because the Bills cut him doesn't mean he sucks.

"An analysis of NFL salary data also shows that Buffalo is one of the more cost-conscious organizations in the way it adheres to a cash-to-cap policy of budgeting."

- from the article linked below.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/789046.html

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 9, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I saw a thing about how Mason will get reps in practice this season that went to Shaun Alexander last season... and I had all but forgotten that Shaun Alexander was on our roster last season. Ugh. I died a little inside thinking about that. As if that dude, his career having dived off a cliff, could have helped us in any way, shape or form... ugh.

Oh, to have a front office that's not prone to absurd overreactions and gross missteps... to have a front office that has stocked the pantry sufficiently that we can absorb the injuries which happen every season... to have a competent front office...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 9, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

So I'm thinkin' Baloney sandwich... anyone still like those?

...mortadella is better (mmmm... olives)

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

dont believe it...they'll start... Its a Coughlin ploy.. He learned this when he was with Belichick....
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Giants could be light on corners come Sunday
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2009 11:14 AM ET
When the New York Giants host the Redskins to start the season for the second straight year, two members of their secondary might not be available.

Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger reports, Twitter style, that cornerbacks Aaron Ross and Kevin Dockery are not practicing on Wednesday.

Ross suffered a hamstring injury in late August, and he hasn't practiced since. On Monday, coach Tom Coughlin said the team is optimistic that Ross will be able to play.

Posted by: TWISI | September 9, 2009 11:28 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Ah ok. I had a feeling I missed an incident. Rock complaining about being labeled anything other than a STer is rather off-putting.

Eight years? Geez time flies.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I pray for the day we draft enough competent offensive lineman so we don't all have to go nuts everytime some low level rent-a-scrub lineman hits the streets. Even homeless guys don't scramble for other people's scraps like this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

No kidding, isn't it comforting to know that since 2005 Rob Jackson, Durant Brooks, Cody Glenn, Eddie Williams, Dallas Sartz, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Ecker, Kevin Simon, Robert McCune, Manuel White, Jared Newberry, and Nehemiah Broughton have all been drafted and cut yet during that entire time we've drafted 2 lineman (Rhinehart and Lefotu) one of which is now our primary backup.........

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

So let's say we take Walker. Who do you cut?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I say we cut that Tom Collins fellow. He's a bad influence on the rookies...always showing up hung over on game days.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Neither Langston Walker nor Levi Jones are the answer to any sort of problems. There's a reason the Bills QBs (Trent Edwards and JP Losman before him) and the Bengals QB (Palmer) are perpetual injury cases, and there's a reason both guys were cut. You don't spend multi-millions on guys who protect like that. This team goes into the season with what they have and (hopefully) drafts a solution next year.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

best italian sub, with mortadella, is up here in Gloucester Mass.. at Virgilio's restaurant... Ask for a "St. Joe" wit the works.....or I'll fedex you one..
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So I'm thinkin' Baloney sandwich... anyone still like those?

...mortadella is better (mmmm... olives)

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 11:31 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

as a veteran his contract is guaranteed for the season if on the week 1 roster

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:25 AM

This is an important point. There will be lots of vet signings around the league next Monday. 'Skins could surprise us by signing a tackle, but ... they've said repeatedly that they're satisfied with the roster they've got so I'm not expecting any changes until there is an injury to Heyer or Samuels.

RI blasts the front office for not getting younger. Now we're getting younger, and RI wants to get older. Or, more accurately, the usual grumppusses (you know who you are and we know who you are) are opposed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, thanks..That is amazing data...Guess Danny will change when people start buying OLine jerseys..
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No kidding, isn't it comforting to know that since 2005 Rob Jackson, Durant Brooks, Cody Glenn, Eddie Williams, Dallas Sartz, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Ecker, Kevin Simon, Robert McCune, Manuel White, Jared Newberry, and Nehemiah Broughton have all been drafted and cut yet during that entire time we've drafted 2 lineman (Rhinehart and Lefotu) one of which is now our primary backup.........

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:32 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Rock. Do it today. Mason/DT jump into his kr spot. Make it happen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 11:16 AM

And then you have to bump two more to add two scrubs from the practice squad to play his spot on the coverage units or just play starters on special teams. Nice try...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Ha, ok I read Shaun Alexander and immediately start going "Shaun Suisham? Lorenzo Alexander? Oh THAT Shaun Alexander" i.e. I'd forgotten as well.

To be fair, we picked him up for the vet minimum didn't we? So it wasn't quite an absurd overreaction, but it did take up a roster spot, and possibly valuable reps from up-and-coming players, so um...yeah.

Why couldn't this recession have wiped Dan Snyder out and force him to sell the team? At least then something good would have come of it.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

No kidding, isn't it comforting to know that since 2005 Rob Jackson, Durant Brooks, Cody Glenn, Eddie Williams, Dallas Sartz, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Ecker, Kevin Simon, Robert McCune, Manuel White, Jared Newberry, and Nehemiah Broughton have all been drafted and cut yet during that entire time we've drafted 2 lineman (Rhinehart and Lefotu) one of which is now our primary backup.........

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:32 AM


If by "comforting" you mean "disgusting", then yes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

This team goes into the season with what they have and (hopefully) drafts a solution next year.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

It seems the team always waits 3-4 years to address a glaring need. How long was it evident that the Redskins needed to address the defensive line before they finally did it this year?

It'll be the same with the offensive line. I figure we have two more years of waiting till that's addressed.

Especially if you're of the belief that they will try to address quarterback again next year. I could easily see them chasing down Sam Bradford, Jevon Snead or Colt McCoy with handfuls of draft picks as bait. If that happens, there's one more year that they neglect the trenches.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 9, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

[From two threads ago....]

Campbell has especially taken the lead in working with young receivers such as Malcolm Kelly and Marko Mitchell, Cerrato said.

"If you notice, every day he stays out after practice and works on things that need to be worked, that he didn't do well in practice," he said. "And he stays out there; Marko's always out there and Malcolm's always out there, working on things."


Hope all of Devin Thomas' extra effort pays big dividends this season.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Yo RedDMV,

In this episode of when 'Keeping it Real goes BAD', RedDMV in his former life was a All Pro Potential 1st Round Draft pick gaurenteed. But, because it is sooo easily to tick off this BAma A$$ MoFo, he went from potential 1st round pick/multi-millionaire to homeless trash can picking, library visiting, know it all conspiracist. Why did this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCVZxzcZ1s&feature=related

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Pashos would have been worth the money, but Langston Walker isn't. The team has had its share of opportunities to sign free agent offensive tackles and they have balked. They don't even have an offensive tackle on the developmental roster, which to me is very puzzling. I just think this is the worse move (or lack of movement) in the 2009 season. If, God forbid, Samuels goes down with injury, the train will come off the rails. Heyer is no left tackle, Mike Williams is not ready to play right tackle, and Batiste is a project. The team is willing to accept this risk even though Samuels' surgically repaired knee had to be drained in the preseason and he had to sit out a few practices. I don't get it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Even homeless guys don't scramble for other people's scraps like this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse
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So you're not impressed with all the teams scrambling to sign the guys we just cut? (see: Eagles - Dixon)

The only people freaking out over available OLinemen are the posters in here...

Posted by: McMetal | September 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Neither Langston Walker nor Levi Jones are the answer to any sort of problems. There's a reason the Bills QBs (Trent Edwards and JP Losman before him) and the Bengals QB (Palmer) are perpetual injury cases, and there's a reason both guys were cut. You don't spend multi-millions on guys who protect like that. This team goes into the season with what they have and (hopefully) drafts a solution next year.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse
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No one is projecting him as a magic bullet, but like I said previously: Samuels goes down, Heyer moves out of position to LT and Williams comes in at RT.

Maybe Walker is out of position at LT. Maybe it's a reach. But so is Heyer and then we have reaches at both T's.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And then you have to bump two more to add two scrubs from the practice squad to play his spot on the coverage units or just play starters on special teams. Nice try...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:36 AM

Have Betts/DT11 replace Rock on STs.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

smells like groundwork prep for Shanahan in 2010...(Vinny's ol SF buddy)... All picks in tact and no heavy long term Offense contracts (incl JC).... If true, how ironic if Shanahan demands to bring in his own GM..
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Pashos would have been worth the money, but Langston Walker isn't. The team has had its share of opportunities to sign free agent offensive tackles and they have balked. They don't even have an offensive tackle on the developmental roster, which to me is very puzzling. I just think this is the worse move (or lack of movement) in the 2009 season. If, God forbid, Samuels goes down with injury, the train will come off the rails. Heyer is no left tackle, Mike Williams is not ready to play right tackle, and Batiste is a project. The team is willing to accept this risk even though Samuels' surgically repaired knee had to be drained in the preseason and he had to sit out a few practices. I don't get it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 11:41 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

If by "comforting" you mean "disgusting", then yes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, disgusting/disturbing was what I meant indeed. Just look at the last two years, 16 picks, one lineman. Of those 16 picks, we took Fred Davis in round 2 who's career ceiling on this team is a backup to the young pro bowl tight end you already had signed to a very long contract....you don't take backup tight ends in round two. Then we drafted a punter, enough said, and on a team with good corners already on it we've taken two corners the last two years pretty highly when its not hard to find cheap depth at corner off the wire. We converted Wilson to LB, we drafted Orakpo (I'm fine with that pick btw, value where we got him), we signed Thomas and then proceeded to draft two more LBs, special teams and back of the depth chart LBs can be found more easily than mid round draft picks. Last year's drafting of two receivers I didn't love but I get the argument, but in a 10 pick draft we should have taken at least 2 lineman probably 3. This year after last years collapse we should have taken Orakpo and then 3 lineman, Marko late looks great and 7th round fine take a flier on the most talented guy on the board. But I don't know about you guys but Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith, and other olineman that were there would make me happier than Glenn, Henson (who barely beat out Darrel Young an undrafted FA) and Eddie Williams.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Especially if you're of the belief that they will try to address quarterback again next year. I could easily see them chasing down Sam Bradford, Jevon Snead or Colt McCoy with handfuls of draft picks as bait. If that happens, there's one more year that they neglect the trenches.
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But if they're going to be so terrible this year as you seem to expect/hope, wouldn't they be drafting high enough to pick one of those guys without having to package multiple selections?

Sorry if the logic is painful...

Posted by: McMetal | September 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

They don't even have an offensive tackle on the developmental roster

RedSkinHead

Batiste is their development OT. He's on the active roster because they didn't want to expose him to the waiver wire. Also Edwin Williams is a development G/C and on the team for the same reason. Let's not lose sight that carrying these two players were calculated moves by the coaching staff and front office.

Posted by: TWISI | September 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

SnaGM, I thought we were already down one pick for the 2010 draft... though I'd be happy if I were wrong on that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The team has had its share of opportunities to sign free agent offensive tackles and they have balked. They don't even have an offensive tackle on the developmental roster, which to me is very puzzling.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 11:41 AM |

I think it's because they're overloaded on the main roster with 10 OL. They don't need to carry an extra one on the practice squad.

Keep in mind that these practice squads belong to the entire league. If we have an opening on our roster, we can grab an O lineman off of any of the other 31 practice squads.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

RI blasts the front office for not getting younger. Now we're getting younger, and RI wants to get older. Or, more accurately, the usual grumppusses (you know who you are and we know who you are) are opposed.
Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 11:35 AM

Zorn, Campbell all about winning……RI Nation all about whining…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 9, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

But if they're going to be so terrible this year as you seem to expect/hope, wouldn't they be drafting high enough to pick one of those guys without having to package multiple selections?

Sorry if the logic is painful...

Posted by: McMetal | September 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't necessarily think that Campbell will be back, regardless of how the Redskins finish record wise. They could go 9-7 or 10-6 and I would still think that there is a better than 50% chance that they will still be looking to move up in the draft to take a quarterback.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 9, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if Walker is anygood, but I think the salary cap is a major figure in why we have the 10 OL that we have.

According to these guys, the Redskins have about $1.8 million in cap space as of this week. If Walker is really looking for around $3mil, it's a non-starter....

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Are these numbers any good? I have no idea. Also saw that thehogs.net said the club has around 4.5 mil in cap space (that info was from last month).

Posted by: smurff1 | September 9, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

brown, why couldn't mason replace rock on teams??

Why do you have to bump 2 more?? If you cut rock, and mason replaces him on teams, where is the disconnect on your end as far as understanding this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, we may pull the upset on Sunday after all...from PFT:

Giants could be light on corners come Sunday
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2009 11:14 AM ET
When the New York Giants host the Redskins to start the season for the second straight year, two members of their secondary might not be available.

Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger reports, Twitter style, that cornerbacks Aaron Ross and Kevin Dockery are not practicing on Wednesday.

Ross suffered a hamstring injury in late August, and he hasn't practiced since. On Monday, coach Tom Coughlin said the team is optimistic that Ross will be able to play.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Ok, ok, I see your 'Keeping It Real Goes Bad', and raise you Pookie from 'New Jack City'

Scene? It doesn't matter... pick one, and that's you. But if you did have to pick one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQEnzrRyo3c

That's you 4th. Ol' Pookie "It be Callin Me Man" persona having bama.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 9, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

brown, why couldn't mason replace rock on teams??

Why do you have to bump 2 more?? If you cut rock, and mason replaces him on teams, where is the disconnect on your end as far as understanding this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I think he is saying that you would need to bring someone in to replace Rock on the coverage units.

Mason could handle the return duties, but he even admits he is not much of a tackler.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 9, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

brown, why couldn't mason replace rock on teams??

Why do you have to bump 2 more?? If you cut rock, and mason replaces him on teams, where is the disconnect on your end as far as understanding this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 11:53 AM


OK, I'll answer this as briefly as I can so as to not reopen this can of worms...Rock plays what amounts to 4 spots on special teams. Returns kicks, on the punt return unit and is on the coverage units for kicks and punts. You need a body for each of those spots. You can put Mason out there but I've heard nothing that makes me think he can effectively play that role. If he could, Rock would already be gone.

You people can sleep on the importance of special teams if you want. I know we have a guy who is a special teams ace and I'm not ready to give up on that guy if he can still play effectively...especially not for some undrafted slappie that gives you all boners because he runs real well against other undrafted slappies in the preseason.

I'm done talking about Rock. He's on the team. You all will have to deal with that like I have to deal with Mason wasting a spot on the 53 man squad (for now).

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm with mattsoundworld...maybe Walker isn't a great player, but if Samuels goes down (not a huge reach) and Heyer has to play LT with BMW at RT, then stick a fork us, Jerry, we're done!

Posted by: mattylight | September 9, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

RI blasts the front office for not getting younger. Now we're getting younger, and RI wants to get older. Or, more accurately, the usual grumppusses (you know who you are and we know who you are) are opposed.
Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 11:35 AM

Zorn, Campbell all about winning……RI Nation all about whining…..


Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 9, 2009 11:51 AM

Whining? Depends on who you are listening to.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

2010 will be an interesting year if Zorn is not extended... Imagine the difference in the veteran Head Coaches once negative opinion of working for Snyder, if 2010 is an Uncapped year.
They may very well be breaking down the door at Redskins Park to work for the richest NFL franchise with an unlimited budget for Free Agents..

Wonder if its why all the available HC's opted to wait another year before reentering.. (unretiring).. A Team's finances is now a major consideration in accepting a Head Coach position.

Gruden, Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher..
Dan (and Jerry Jones) could have their pick..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator and TWISI,
I know they are carrying more offensive linemen on the regular roster than they have in the past, but I look at like this: what value will a practice roster scrub like Onrea Jones add to the team instead of carrying an offensive tackle? And, yes, we could sign an offensive tackle from another team's developmental roster, but that guy won't have developed under Buges' tutelage and won't be knowledgeable of the Redskins blocking schemes and whatnot. As I recall, last year the team kept two offensive linemen on the developmental roster for most of the season. It strikes me as odd, even if they are giving up more roster spots for o-linemen, that they aren't including a lineman on the developmental roster.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how this fits in to the Red/4th feud but it's funny as shti anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uug0Pi06SBU

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 9, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

After 3 SB trophies, we're understandably hungry for another one. Starved since 1991-92.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Matt,
I believe you can answer that with a few words, panic, fear, contempt, robots.
Take your pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 9, 2009 11:01 AM

Well of course the answer is robots.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

From Wise's column:

"Why is Campbell going to break out this season? He's got a serrated edge he didn't have a year ago, a sense of self that's going to enable him to let it all hang out. It's one thing for Sonny and Joe to say so; it's quite another for Jason Campbell to believe it himself."


I hope this is true. I have always thought JC has the arm and the legs to be successful, maybe it was Gibbs telling him not to make mistakes or whatever but he has always seemed to me to play the game scared. Afraid to take shots down field, afraid to throw the back shoulder out, afraid to take the read that is beyond the first down on 3rd and 8 because the guy 5 yards down field is wide open....whatever it is, he just hasn't made many big plays or even taken the chances to make the plays. with our defense I'll take 12 INTs from Jason (double last year) if we get 26 TDs (double last year).

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

wish Snyder would quit bringing out those 3 SB trophies to every Redskins Park press conference.. He organization didnt win them.. just bought them.

++++++++++++++++++++++++


After 3 SB trophies, we're understandably hungry for another one. Starved since 1991-92.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:06 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

what value will a practice roster scrub like Onrea Jones add to the team instead of carrying an offensive tackle?

--RedSkinHead

The practice team is for practicing. You need a balance of players on the practice squad to round out the scout team and second team O and D. We don't NEED more O linemen on the practice squad. Williams and Batiste are, effectively, practice squaders. We need other positions.

And they won't have Bugel's tutelage? So what? Do you think he's the only good linecoach in the league?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

what value will a practice roster scrub like Onrea Jones add to the team instead of carrying an offensive tackle?

RedSkinHead

To work as the scout team WR. Beyond the 5 on the active roster the only other WR would be Shelton on the practice squad. Presumably you would want the 5 on the active roster running the plays that are on tap for the games. Unless of course you don't want Mitchell active for any games this year. It's easy to bash the FO, and I am concerned about the depth at OT, but I can see the thinking behind how they structured the roster and practice squad.

Posted by: TWISI | September 9, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

A y'all. A Y'ALL!

Everyone who follows RedDMV posts. You know how he rolls. I found your son Red! He looks AND TALKS just like your bama a$$!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfu8Jk8eBtM&feature=related

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Phil Loadholt would have been a good pick but he went in the second round so we didn't get him. I don't think it's that we've been ignoring the oline or DE as much as there were far better players available at those positions. We tried to draft DEs the last couple of years but they were always taken right out from under us. Tampa took Gaines Adams, Arizona took Calais Campbell, and Miami took Phillip Merling right before our picks and there were no second round worthy offensvie line picks in 2008. Last year I think we passed on Duke Robinson because he is a guard and we have had Chad Rhineart. I know that sounds dumb but we took barnes instead. Barnes may be good one day and we are actually as bad off at corner as we are at guard. The problem is that if we would have taken offensive line then we would be thin in other areas and we would have had to reach to get those offensive line players. Best Player Available is what we've been doing and I think we are better off for it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 9, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

And they won't have Bugel's tutelage? So what? Do you think he's the only good linecoach in the league?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Yeah but he IS our line coach, which means anyone who comes in fresh off some other team would have a learning curve to his schemes. Not a big deal if the pick up was a significant grade above what we have, but it doesn't sound like anyone left is what you would call a significant step up.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how this fits in to the Red/4th feud but it's funny as shti anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uug0Pi06SBU


Posted by: Original_etrod | September 9, 2009 12:05 PM

That's the future RedDMV!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

A y'all. A Y'ALL!

Everyone who follows RedDMV posts. You know how he rolls. I found your son Red! He looks AND TALKS just like your bama a$$!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfu8Jk8eBtM&feature=related

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:15 PM

That's one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

According to New York Daily News Giants blog, CBs Kevin Dockery and Aaron Ross missed the AM practice due to sore hammys.

Of the two, it sounds like Ross is more serious. Either way the Gints secondary could be ripe for the picking. DBs who don't practice and suit up on Sunday usually get exposed.

HTTR!

Posted by: elfreako | September 9, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

4th -- LOL. Chip off the old block. I thought that TheTruth was RedDMV's son. Was that TheTruth? I din't see no ma'fu@@@@@g University of Georgia Bulldog tee shirt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Two Redskins are ranked among The Sporting News’ top 100 players, the results produced from a panel of 106 voters, including 27 Pro Football Hall of Famers.

DT Albert Haynesworth is ranked sixth and RB Clinton Portis 43rd in the poll.

Fifteen teams had more players on the list than the Redskins, including Philadelphia (six), Dallas (five) and the Giants (four).

The top 10: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Adrian Peterson, Larry Fitzgerald, LaDainian Tomlinson, Haynesworth, Ed Reed, Randy Moss, Troy Polamalu and Tony Gonzalez.

The Redskins face 40 players on the list this year.

More fodder for Zorn to get them in a lather with.........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Ok Red...I am calling a truce......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Good article about Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/250061-the-ramifications-of-the-champ-bailey-trade


Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:12 PM


Actually, that article left much to be desired. Champ has been getting owned out in Denver and is right now living off of reputation. I saw Brandon Marshall get the better of him. I saw T.O. shake him out of his shoes a couple years back and took a TD over 90 yards to the house. He's still one of the best, but let's not make it sound like he's Deion in his prime.

But they do state one thing I've always believed: if this team rolled with Betts at RB, you'd probably see about the same production at a fraction of the cost. Plus he fits the power tailback mold of a Gibbs offense better, I thought. Bottom line, I think both Portis and Champ would have been better of staying in their respective cities (I know it wouldn't happen...Champ just wanted out).

The irony is Champ wanted to play for a "stable organization"...looks like Denver is just as bad as Washington, maybe worse right now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

More fodder for Zorn to get them in a lather with.........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 12:25 PM

Yes! I love it! Even Portis should be mad he was only @ #43.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskirt_, Nice to see you back. "Robots" seemed to be the magic word.

Look we're talking about practice squads. Sure they don't know our schemes. But we're not taking a starter, or even a backup. One of our 10 guys would be the backup. Whoever we took would be a practice squad guy who happens to be on the 53. He doesn't need to know our schemes when he gets here.

But how hard do you think these schemes are to learn. Pretty much the same from team to team. Do your really think we'd be any worse off with a practice squad guy who'd been coached up by Russ Grimm than one coached up by Joe Bugel.

There are serious things to worry about, but not having an O lineman on the practice squad isn't one of them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2009 12:28 PM

Yes, I remember. And you're correct. Gibbs even hoped Champ would stay.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

That's what I get for skimming, TE. I thought we were talking about backups who can step in if/when (please no) Samuels goes down.

Robots is indeed the magic word ;-)

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not touching any of the RedDMV/4th Floor youtube links... am I missing anything?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 9, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I hate to ask 4th, but what is the video... job, filter, and so on...

And you can't call a truce until I see the video! It might be some "go cry in the corner" type stuff.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 9, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Defensive tackle Chris Canty finally off NY Giants' injury report
by Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger
Wednesday September 09, 2009, 11:32 AM

Giants defensive tackle Chris Canty (hamstring) was not on the pre-practice injury report Wednesday morning after missing most of training camp and returning to full practice only this week.

"We're going to build (the injury report) up as we go and see how he is," coach Tom Coughlin said. "If it makes you feel better, I'll put him on there."

The Giants will monitor Canty's progress during practice, which has just begun.

"We've got to watch this, obviously," Coughlin said. "Anybody who's done as little as he's done in the preseason, you have to be careful."

CB Aaron Ross (hamstring) will not practice. Coughlin said he's "day-by-day."

CB Kevin Dockery also won't practice because of a hamstring injury. Coughlin said the team is just using precaution with Dockery.

OL Adam Koets (ankle) and LB Clint Sintim (groin) are also on the list. We'll see how much they do.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey look! I found where they all went to High School!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCPjLJsHsek

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Good article about Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/250061-the-ramifications-of-the-champ-bailey-trade

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

That was an idiotic article and here's my response:

This article is moronic. If you had watched the Redskins at all for the last several years you would know that their secondary has been the absolute strength of their defense while they have struggled to piece together any semblance of a pass rush. Rogers, Springs, and Smoot have been the constants and now Dhall has replaced Springs. If Sean Taylor hadn't passed more likely than not the Skins secondary would be recognized as one of if not the best in the league period. The corners mentioned in the article were bottom of the depth chart guys, not the starters or replacements for Champ. If you listed all of Denver's 4th or 5th guys it would be some unknown names as well. Not too mention all of this ignores the point that Portis has single handily carried the Skins crappy offense for 5 years and a couple of playoff appearances. Also, while nobody is denying Champ's talent Denver's defense has sucked for his entire time there and the team hasn't been anymore successful than the Skins have despite playing in one of the easier divisions in football getting the Chiefs and Raiders 4 times a season. Last but not least, your comment "He was supposed to be the savior of the Washington offense, which had fallen on hard times at almost every position except the offensive line" so far off its sad. Anybody who has watched the Skins knows their oline has been a mess the last 3 seasons with poor pass protection and little second level help for the running backs. Campbell was sacked or knocked down 88 times last season, Cutler....25. Portis himself came out last year and said as much asserting that he has had to create his own yardage here and his numbers would look dramatically better if he was behind the lines he had in Denver or the line they have in Minny. (direct paraphrase) All of that said, he is two good years from having a career of 12,500 yards.....more than Jim Brown, Marcus Allen, Franco Harris, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, Earl Campbell and many other Hall of Famers. Please, watch some football before pushing your revisionist agenda on us.

Oh yeah, and Champ didn't want to be here and said he wouldn't re-sign....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

That CB/CP comparison article was rank. It ignores any other factor than individual stats. I doesn't even mention Shawn Springs. I have no idea what bias the author carries. But his conclusion is suspect.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Red, I found your son cussing out the asian lady at the liqour store.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

...amazing how this trade debate just won't die, isn't it?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Consider the source: Bleacher Report.

It's a bunch of fans writing opinion pieces. So it's a zero credibility game.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 9, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins is old. JC will make you haters eat your words. It's his second year in the system, he's matured and has had a few seasons under his belt. Go cheer for the Cowboys.

Posted by: lavararrington | September 9, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Consider the source: Bleacher Report.

It's a bunch of fans writing opinion pieces. So it's a zero credibility game.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 9, 2009 12:56 PM |

Not like us fans writing opinions up here. We're all qualified, credible, objective, and overpaid.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

NAte, none of the post were bad. My posts consists of the Blount Punch and cartoons...plus the lil kid I refenced...

Reds' was all from movies.....All are funny.....This is stuff 'we' use to do back in the day (talking about each other for fun..aka..joaning on each other)

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 9, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

JC will make you haters eat your words.

Posted by: lavararrington | September 9, 2009 12:58 PM

A guy named lavararrington is dissing people as haters? Next markbrunnell will show up and ridicule us for being old.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Not like us fans writing opinions up here. We're all qualified, credible, objective, and overpaid.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse"

Well, exactly. I had to buy a new computer to keep track of all of my bonus points

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 9, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

TE,
I really love it when we start taking ourselves seriously up here. That's the most amusing thing. Digging in blog heels and such as...just like that last YouTube.

This time of day I think it's really puerile, but tonight, I'll have a beer and laugh so hard beer will come out my nose.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 9, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Well, exactly. I had to buy a new computer to keep track of all of my bonus points

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 9, 2009 1:04 PM

Hope you paid for the computer with your bonus points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 9, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

my post was badSJK!

Slumping Screech is my hero!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

just realized I'm missing a TON of bonus points........hmmmmmmmm

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The Giants have 7 WR on their roster. We were debating keeping 5. They can't activate all of them. I wonder if Nicks or Barden, 2 of their draft picks will even see the field. I'm hearing that Marko wont even see the field much this year for us. The Giants got S.Smith, Hixon, Sinorice Moss, Manningham, Nicks, Barden and some other scrub. Who do you think they will activate?

Posted by: FedorEm | September 9, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I take that back. I apologize for posting that article here. Obviously I miss Champ. Knew he didn't want to stay. Also knew the Redskins may have failed to protect their investment in Portis by not upgrading their offensive line via draft. Here's to hoping for an injury-free season for our OL starters.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the Marty S guy didn't know Marty's e-mail, but he knew your password, Greg

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 9, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Bean,
Are we talking metric ton or regular English units?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 9, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

more than Jim Brown, Marcus Allen, Franco Harris, Thurman Thomas, John Riggins, Earl Campbell

You know when Riggins was signed as an "early" free agent from the Jets, there was all this ballyhoo about how he would run up yards and help the offense. It turns out the guy was great run and pass blocker and that is **ALL** he did for 2 years under George Allen.

Why do the morons on RI continue to compare a guy like Portis to Riggins ... and unbelievably Jim Brown!!??? Unbelievable.

The guy isn't good enough to smell their shoes. Period.

Posted by: periculum | September 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Appears the Bills' OL moves are just as puzzling to the fan base as to everyone else. Apparently the staff lost confidence in Walker, a former RT who struggled in pass protection. They re-signed OL Kirk Chambers, but Walker's replacement is
Chambers however, is not expected to replace Walker at left tackle. That job is expected to be filled by second-year offensive tackle Demetrius Bell, a former 7th round pick. He's been off a week with a back injury.

That's five new players in o-line positions. One returning starter: Brad Butler.

Talk about a team in transition...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

we're talking canadian tonnes........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Matt,
I believe you can answer that with a few words, panic, fear, contempt, robots.
Take your pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 9, 2009 11:01 AM

Well of course the answer is robots.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2009 12:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D74kNsNnGRw

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 9, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Peri, you're nuts. Once CP gets a stuporbowl he'll be right there. He's already in second place to Riggo... so.. comparison is valid. He may not be AS GOOD yet.. but comparison is valid.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The guy isn't good enough to smell their shoes. Period.

Posted by: periculum | September 9, 2009 1:21 PM

lol.. Riggins and Brown were very hard to tackle due to their power running. Portis' attempt to be a power runner may shorten his career. He's more of a finesse and speed back.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Why do the morons on RI continue to compare a guy like Portis to Riggins ... and unbelievably Jim Brown!!??? Unbelievable.

The guy isn't good enough to smell their shoes. Period.

Posted by: periculum | September 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because the numbers he puts up place him in that conversation.

We get it you don't like Clinton? The fact is CP makes the offense better and has more of an impact on his team than your idol Champ.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 9, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of power running...anyone else worried about Brandon Jacobs this Sunday? I didn't get to see any of the Gints preseason games, but that guy was a bowling ball through our defense last year.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Name non-power runners who are in the Hall of Fame? Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders... anyone care to chip in?

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jacobs? Meet Mr. Haynesworth. Here. Let me help you back up.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of power running...anyone else worried about Brandon Jacobs this Sunday? I didn't get to see any of the Gints preseason games, but that guy was a bowling ball through our defense last year.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 1:31 PM

I'd LOVE to have Brandon Jacobs on OUR team!

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

that Miser video was cool!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

yeah... I am worried about Jacobs who gets stronger in the 4th Qtr...Which is also when the Skins 1st string OLine will be taking a blow.. Most certainly Samuels will be out by then...
The game will be close till the 4th.. Then the lack of depth on the Skins OLine will decide the outcome to the Gints favor.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Speaking of power running...anyone else worried about Brandon Jacobs this Sunday? I didn't get to see any of the Gints preseason games, but that guy was a bowling ball through our defense last year.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 1:31 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

TE & TWISI,
I think you have a point about too many OL's on the roster. I could see where that might be limiting in practice. I guess I am arguing for quantity when I should be arguing for quality. To put a point on it, Batiste and Williams just aren't that good. If Samuels goes down the team is in trouble and that's not a leap given Samuels' medical history. What the team needs to do is find a young big body that could step in at right tackle in a heartbeat, and left tackle in emergencies. It's probably too late for that. Maybe they should have taken Oher in the draft...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree that if Samuels, or Heyer for that matter, our line is in deep deep doodoo, Orakpo was the right pick, adding him to rush the edge after the Haynsworth signing was the right move. The mistake was the Orakpo pick, it was the Barnes pick, a 3rd round tackle for a team desperate for quality depth would have been a lot better than drafting a guy that high to be your 4th or 5th corner. (we knew CR22, Dhall, and Smoot were our top 3).

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"The game will be close till the 4th.. Then the lack of depth on the Skins OLine will decide the outcome to the Gints favor"

Awesome....just a really intelligent post....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Dont think Jacobs in the 4th is the problem, its more their other RB who will be fresh at that point.

Hopefully our D line depth will balance that out this year.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 9, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of power running...anyone else worried about Brandon Jacobs this Sunday? I didn't get to see any of the Gints preseason games, but that guy was a bowling ball through our defense last year.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 1:31 PM


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Phillip Daniels and Albert Haynesworth are too afraid of Jacobs. If he can get by Carter he will give us some fits but we should be able to clog the left and middle pretty well. If he starts dump trucking Carter then we will probably just put Alexander in. We can move dlinemen in and out to matchup against their RBs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 9, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Name non-power runners who are in the Hall of Fame? Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders... anyone care to chip in?Posted by: RedCherokee"

There's quite a number. Chicago alone contributed Walter and Gale, neither of whom topped 200 pounds. Paul Hornung wasn't a power back, and neither was Lenny Moore. In fact, I don't consider Jim Brown a power runner in the strict sense. He was a big guy who was the best at faking the tackler with the old 'dead leg' move, then running away from him.

Portis is an example of the 'one cut' school of running taught at Denver. The idea is to make that first cut, then plow straight ahead for all the yards you can muster. It's a very effective technique because it allows the runner to dodge the initial defender and yet prevents him from dancing. Terrell Davis was a master.


Posted by: Samson151 | September 9, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree that if Samuels, or Heyer for that matter, our line is in deep deep doodoo, Orakpo was the right pick, adding him to rush the edge after the Haynsworth signing was the right move. The mistake was the Orakpo pick, it was the Barnes pick, a 3rd round tackle for a team desperate for quality depth would have been a lot better than drafting a guy that high to be your 4th or 5th corner. (we knew CR22, Dhall, and Smoot were our top 3).

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Who would you have taken in the third round? Phil Loadholt was already gone. The Vikings took him in the second. There was no 3rd round tackle worth taking.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If he gets by Carter doesn't he run smack into bOrak? no piece of cake there either...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think Phillip Daniels and Albert Haynesworth are too afraid of Jacobs. If he can get by Carter he will give us some fits but we should be able to clog the left and middle pretty well. If he starts dump trucking Carter then we will probably just put Alexander in. We can move dlinemen in and out to matchup against their RBs.Posted by: PAskinsfan17"

Everybody should be wary of Jacobs -- he's the league's best power runner. And a fair amount of his yards come after he's past the line and dragging a DB down the field with him. He doesn't go down easy.

But he has a history of putting the ball on the ground at awkward moments -- something neither Portis nor Betts have done much. Because he's striving to stay on his feet, he's giving the defense opportunities to strip the ball. Philly seems to have mastered this.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 9, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

as a veteran his contract is guaranteed for the season if on the week 1 roster

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 11:25 AM

Most important post regarding the OL.

I'm guessing they are thinking runyan. Wait 1 week until they don't have to guarantee the contract. The guy may be old as dirt, but he plays nasty and knows the NFC East. Plug and play as needed. In 2009, any OL repairs we do are going to be temporary anyway.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 9, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Who would you have taken in the third round? Phil Loadholt was already gone. The Vikings took him in the second. There was no 3rd round tackle worth taking.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Troy Kropog
Jamon Meredith
TJ Lang
Seth Olsen

All guys who went in the 4th round and are primary backups on their teams now according to the depth charts.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Jamon Meredith

on the P-Squad, if I'm not mistaken..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Enjoying everyone's analysis of Brandon Jacobs vs. the new cogs in our defense.

Aren't you glad we only have four more days to wait till we see them in action?

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 9, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

PAskins, we weren't drafting for a starter at corner just like we wouldn't have been draft for a starter at tackle. I don't know why people keep saying Loadholt, I know he went in round 2, I know we had no shot at him, but he wasn't the only tackle in the draft, at least 2 of our mid-round picks should have been spent on Oline, instead we picked 2 LBs one who was cut and the other barely beat out Darrell Young an undrafted FA and a FB who was cut. Why would we have been any worse of by drafting a young tackle and seeing if he panned out over BMW?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Jamon Meredith

on the P-Squad, if I'm not mistaken..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

He's listed as the Packers 3rd string LT, so if he's on the practice squad then ESPN is wrong:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=gnb

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

But he did go in the 5th not the 4th

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Jamon=Ham in Spanish... hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 9, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Call me stoopid, and with a perpetually pessimistic blog handle of 4-12 I can't blame you, but the "we should have drafted ___________ in the ________ round" angst seems silly, since we'll be cheering our guts out in four short days for our boys in the lavender and maroon! Time to go dance with the dogs we brought to the party.
HTTR!

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

From SI:

Jamon Meredith - Practice squad addition to Packers

Beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 9, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Name non-power runners who are in the Hall of Fame? Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders... anyone care to chip in?Posted by: RedCherokee"

Don't forget Bobby Mitchell, who was a halfback with Jim Brown in Cleveland for four years before he came to the Skins. That was a great tandem!

Posted by: Markin21132 | September 9, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

redskirt,
Absolutely cannot wait. I want to see Jacobs run into Orakpo or Haynesworth. That would be worth watching the game right there if they blew up Jacobs. I'd also like to see three or four sack dances over Eli Manning's quivering form. On offense, they are saying their secondary is banged up so let's see if Campbell can pick at the seams.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 9, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I think we are better off seeing what happens with BMW this year and seeing what falls to us in the draft next year. I like best player available and think you shouldn't reach for players. We need upper round drafted linemen because they can only do one thing and that's be backup linemen. Linebackers can play special teams. That's why we chose to take middle round linebackers over middle round linemen. Backup offensive linemen can not play teams. I'd rather roll with BMW this year and the guys we did draft. Next year we can use our first 2 picks on quality linemen that will start or be primary backups.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 9, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Neither Langston Walker nor Levi Jones are the answer to any sort of problems. There's a reason the Bills QBs (Trent Edwards and JP Losman before him) and the Bengals QB (Palmer) are perpetual injury cases, and there's a reason both guys were cut. You don't spend multi-millions on guys who protect like that. This team goes into the season with what they have and (hopefully) drafts a solution next year.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse


Right.

Why spend multi-millions on so-so linemen, when you can spend a few hundred grand on linemen that absolutely suck?

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree that if Samuels, or Heyer for that matter, our line is in deep deep doodoo, Orakpo was the right pick, adding him to rush the edge after the Haynsworth signing was the right move. The mistake was the Orakpo pick, it was the Barnes pick, a 3rd round tackle for a team desperate for quality depth would have been a lot better than drafting a guy that high to be your 4th or 5th corner. (we knew CR22, Dhall, and Smoot were our top 3).

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse


If?

My friend, is not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when" regarding Chris Samuels.

He could not make it out of training camp without the need to start "managing" his snaps and sit him out of practices.

If you think he's gonna hold up for 16 games, you are truly out there.

And I disagree that Orakpo was the "right" pick. I'm glad that he looks like he can play, but with the AH contract and DHall contract, we'd already deeply invested in the defense. Frankly it looks like Chris Wilson would have been able to hold down the strong-side LB position just fine.

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"You people can sleep on the importance of special teams if you want. I know we have a guy who is a special teams ace and I'm not ready to give up on that guy if he can still play effectively...especially not for some undrafted slappie that gives you all boners because he runs real well against other undrafted slappies in the preseason. "

Special teams -- particularly the kicking game beyond 40 yards, the punter, and to a lesser extent, the punt returns -- were the Skins' biggest weakness last year. Rock wasn't part of those problems. He's a valuable guy whose disappointed because he just found out his running back opportunities may disappear. You blame him? Every ST player fancies himself a star in waiting.

The fuss over Mason is hard to understand. He's a fine guy and a fine runner, but I actually heard some 'expert' on ESPN describe him as a breakaway threat. Marcus is not a fast guy. He's your basic north-south plowhorse. That's not to say we couldn't use one of those, but it's not a top priority.

The find this season looks like Marko Mitchell, and one is about all you can expect.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 9, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

My friend, is not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when" regarding Chris Samuels.
He could not make it out of training camp without the need to start "managing" his snaps and sit him out of practices.
If you think he's gonna hold up for 16 games, you are truly out there.
And I disagree that Orakpo was the "right" pick. I'm glad that he looks like he can play, but with the AH contract and DHall contract, we'd already deeply invested in the defense. Frankly it looks like Chris Wilson would have been able to hold down the strong-side LB position just fine.
Posted by: p1funk"

Well, we've heard variations on this argument all summer. The central question isn't whether we should have drafted o-line or pass rush. The numbers suggest we needed both. The question IMO is whether there was a better value at pick 13 than Orakpo. And that comes down to Michael Oher.

Vinny has made it clear he's no fan of any of the tackles who were hanging around when the Skins picked Orakpo. Ozzie Newsome has garnered some accolades for the pick, but at 23, Oher had already fallen so far there was virtually no risk remaining. Anybody who drafted him would be viewed as getting value above the expected. Don't forget this was one of the most publicized rookie linemen ever (the book's effect). Why did he fall so far? Your guess is as good as mine.

Orakpo was, IMO, the best pass rusher in the draft. Not the best linebacker -- that would be Aaron Curry -- and not the best run-stopping DE (that would be Jackson). The idea of playing him at SAM is admittedly a curious one, but at least it gets the guy on the field.

Is he better than Oher? Can't tell yet. He appears at this early point to be everything he was cracked up to be -- and how often does that happen?

We'll see how the season goes. Maybe they'll have an o-lineman they really like in next year's class.


Posted by: Samson151 | September 9, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"This year after last years collapse we should have taken Orakpo and then 3 lineman... I know about you guys but Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith, and other olineman that were there would make me happier than Glenn, Henson (who barely beat out Darrel Young an undrafted FA) and Eddie Williams.
Posted by: zjfr2"

Some of the guys you mentioned are free agents signed to other teams practice squads.

Posted by: fwroy | September 9, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"RI blasts the front office for not getting younger. Now we're getting younger, and RI wants to get older. Or, more accurately, the usual grumppusses (you know who you are and we know who you are) are opposed."
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Surely you understand the Redskins have gotten younger (on the offensive line) by adding bad young players instead of drafting good young players? The problem we face is that there are no competent OL backups. A competent front office wouldn't put the team in that situation.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 10, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

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