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Does Andre Carter have a place in Redskins' new scheme?

Defensive end Andre Carter is coming off the best season of his nine-year career.In addition to ranking seventh in the league with 11 sacks, Carter was fourth among NFL linemen in tackles, third in tackles for loss and sixth in forced fumbles. He also played the most snaps - by far - among Redskins defensive linemen.

After such a productive season, Carter would seem to be a cornerstone of Washington's defense. But the Redskins are shifting from a 4-3 base to a 3-4, which could be a problem for Carter.

He struggled as a stand-up outside linebacker for one season with the San Francisco 49ers and was miserable in the role. Carter prefers to put his hand down and play along the line - not back in coverage.

In 3-4 schemes, ends play similar roles to that of tackles in 4-3 alignments. Because of his size (he's listed at 253 pounds), Carter does not seem ideally suited for such a role.


The Redskins are expected to mix up things with hybrid packages in the framework of their new 3-4 base, so perhaps Carter could continue to have an important role. But Carter's contract situation could be a factor in the team's plans for him.

Before the 2010 season begins, the Redskins owe Carter a $3.2 million option bonus, according to people familiar with the situation. With his base salary of $1.3 million, Carter could receive $4.5 million in salary from the Redskins.

That's not an exorbitant sum for a productive edge rusher. Again, though, will Carter fit in if he's not effective in pass coverage? And where's his place along the evolving line?

Some Insider readers have suggested trading Carter, who will turn 31 in May. But Carter has a no-trade clause in his contract. He could waive it, but Carter has often said he would prefer to remain with the Redskins.

Carter is among the hardest workers on the team and a positive force in the locker room, his teammates say. It would seem to be a good idea for the coaching staff to find a way to keep Carter busy.

By Jason Reid  |  March 10, 2010; 9:54 AM ET
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Dre has a spot, unless a trade for a good offensive linemen comes along

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

First to say...how can we do without him without a viable DE option to replace him

Posted by: MadeRED | March 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Report: Seahawks want McNabb or Kolb, no one wants Vick
Posted by Mike Florio on March 10, 2010 9:10 AM ET
During a Tuesday appearance with Mike Missanelli of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philly, ESPN's Sal Paolantonio dropped a couple of bombs regarding the current quarterback situation in Philly.

Paolantonio said that the Seattle Seahawks have been contacting the Eagles "non-stop" regarding quarterbacks Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb. As we reported last week, the Eagles have been hearing from multiple teams regarding McNabb, but the Eagles have not yet entertained any offers.

But offers apparently will come; Paolantonio says that Seattle coach Pete Carroll wants to win right away, and in Carroll's mind that includes getting McNabb or Kolb. And Paolantonio says that he now firmly believes that McNabb will be traded by the Eagles at some point in the offseason.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

MadeRED,
I think the plan is to move a DT to DE.

Wasn't there a similar post yesterday?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Andre Carter underachieved for awhile, then had a decent year. I wouldn't build anything around him.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

First to say...how can we do without him without a viable DE option to replace him

Posted by: MadeRED | March 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I agree. This guy is huge for their "D" and they need him back in a very big way. I'm not really all about this 3-4 switch. Too much going on already.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 10, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Are no-trade clauses common in the NFL?

Why would you give Andre Carter this much power?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

This was posted a few days ago how about something new.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

WTsjk? Haven't we covered this like 4 times??!! I like Carter as an athelete, too. Why are we schilling for AC?

oh, and:
Actually Bush n co. did come in planing to kill Sadam.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

...hey, gotta pave the way for the 2nd coming, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"...And Paolantonio says that he now firmly believes that McNabb will be traded by the Eagles at some point in the offseason."


All of this begs the following question:

What's up with M Hassleback?

Didn't this guy just get his team into the 2005 Super Bowl?

Now, 5 years later, folks want to replace him.

Yeah, I know that Alexander got old, Hutchinson left, and Zorno moved on, but how does a Pro Bowl quarterback fall so far so fast?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Why would you give Andre Carter this much power?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 10:08 AM

Because that's what his agent negotiated for him. Most likely, he took this in lieu of a larger salary. He didn't get it just because he was a nice guy.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Didn't we discuss this Carter stuff yesterday, wow it really has been a quiet off season. Redskins fans aren't use to the off season being so quiet.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 10, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

There is literally no point in keeping Carter. His value is at its highest. The team isn't going to be seriously competitive for a few years, especially if they draft a QB. So trade him now if even for a 4th round pick. Because in just a year or two, Carter will really have no place on the new defense. I would rather trade him for a young prospect to develop.

Posted by: heycisco01 | March 10, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

how does a Pro Bowl quarterback fall so far so fast?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM

Ask Jake Delhomme. He was in the 2005 Pro Bowl. Dudes have it, then they lose it. Personally, that doesn't seem that fast to me.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Because that's what his agent negotiated for him. Most likely, he took this in lieu of a larger salary. He didn't get it just because he was a nice guy.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the lesson.

I guess I just don't understand the logic of the FO, giving a guy that's had an up and down career that kind of power to save a few dollars.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

He really got the crap kicked out of him when Walter Jones started breaking down.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Dam, WaPo skins team really hyping the Dre Carter "where does he play" meme!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

This is a message board thread.

Isn't your job to ask people in the know if has a place in the redskins' new scheme?

Posted by: bmd5 | March 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

You guys are idiots. Carter had 62 tackles from the DE spot. If you watch the games. He moves around really well. We will find a place for him, and don't be surprised it he can play a little linebacker. Has done before. Lets face it he is just a better player now than then.

Posted by: fbailey | March 10, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"There is literally no point in keeping Carter. His value is at its highest. The team isn't going to be seriously competitive for a few years, especially if they draft a QB. So trade him now if even for a 4th round pick."


Agreed.

But if the offer is a fourth, then I'd want a back up linemen type tossed in for good measure.

I would be nice to get a 3rd rounder out of moving him.

If I'm Carter, I wave the no trade clause if the pats, titans, falcons, or saints come knocking.

Two 4th round picks in this draft is a major bonus given the type of talent folks say will be in the middle rounds.

Take a 4th and a player for Carter?: sure, why not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think Hasselbeck's talent level may have been exaggerated a little bit.

I think he was a decent QB, just decent. He had a offensive line, a running game, and a legit coach in Mike Holmgren.

Which is why I'm for giving Campbell another shot. Campbell didn't have any of those, at least not all at the same time.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

You all can fight (last thread) about who is the most racist but I am def the most raciest!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 10, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Carter's fine with a bookend to work with, like Orakpo, he won't get as many double teams..But 3-4 is a kinda alien around here, it's like playing Madden as the Patriots and none of the defensive formations are the same as the Skins..I think when Carter and Orak line up with hands down they're as formidable pass rushing ends as any..

Posted by: frak | March 10, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

McNabb for our 2nd rounder......

JC17 to Seattle....

3way trade coming right up....


Book it!

That or else maybe getting HAsselback and a young guy from this draft...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

how does a Pro Bowl quarterback fall so far so fast?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM

Ask Jake Delhomme. He was in the 2005 Pro Bowl. Dudes have it, then they lose it. Personally, that doesn't seem that fast to me.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

With both these guys, injury (back inj. for Hasselbeck, shoulder for Delhomme)played a huge role.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

3 Ways are always better in theory than practice..

Posted by: chrislarry | March 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Paolantonio says that Seattle coach Pete Carroll wants to win right away,.."


Pete Carroll wants to win right away?

So why didn't he stay a USC?

Oh, I forgot, someone waved money and power in his face, and all his talk of loyalty and being a Trojan went out the door.

Give him 3 years in Seattle, and he'll be back in the NCAA in no time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I vote to keep him for when we do use 4 down linemen sets. No team runs exclusively a 3 man front.

You want a pass rushing end in the nickel and dime.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Isn't your job to ask people in the know if has a place in the redskins' new scheme?

Posted by: bmd5 | March 10, 2010 10:18 AM |

Yeah, and those peoples' job is to say "We're designing our whole defense around Carter. If it works at all, it will be because of Andre." It contains zero information.

Reid's job is also to analyze. That's what he's doing here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Just Wow...

Now RedDMV has joined the pity bandwagon that has circled JC17....


Not Possible!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Haynesworth had something to do with Carter's increased productivity?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

3 Ways are always better in theory than practice..

Posted by: chrislarry | March 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes they are.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

JRied ur a fcukin jerk...all you do is re-hash the bullsh!t...no wonder Danny had the WaPost cut off from access to the team....get the hell out of DC and go back to SoCal..you Hootie-Blowfish b!tch

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What about Derek Anderson, he made the Pro Bowl with the BROWNS, fer cryin' out loud, he's very similiar to Campbell and can stretch the field..But, Tebow actually might not be a bad fit if we go Wildcat in the redzone, an area where Campbell has struggled, right?? Dude's a hella-athlete, and knows how to punch it in...(Too bad Shuler wasn't around for the days of the Wildcat)..

Posted by: frak | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

You guys are crazy to want to trade Carter. Pass rushers are at a premium these days, and his salary is not too high either. While its true he did struggle in a 3-4, we are not always going to line up in a 3-4. There will be ample snaps for him as a rusher, so why not keep a decently priced, good locker room guy that just got you double digit sacks? Draft picks are nice, but they are a roll of the dice, and a proven pass rusher is worth more than a 4th round pick to me. DE's are easily playing into 33, 34, and Carter is in great shape.

Posted by: dolemite1 | March 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

You all can fight (last thread) about who is the most racist but I am def the most raciest!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 10, 2010 10:25 AM

I know Raciest. Raciest was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Raciest.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I would not be completely against bringing in Anderson to compete with Campbell, right now he is easily the best QB available in free agency in my mind.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

frak

"But, Tebow actually might not be a bad fit if we go Wildcat in the redzone, an area where Campbell has struggled, right?"

Not to be rude, but I'd prefer we improve our traditional offense before drafting one guy to run a set of plays out of a old school scheme.

If JC becomes a 4,000 yard passer, will the Wildcat matter?

No.

Let's get some improved tackle play, and wide outs who fight for the ball and make plays.

The Wildcat is a trend that'll go away soon.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I would not be completely against bringing in Anderson to compete with Campbell, right now he is easily the best QB available in free agency in my mind.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:35 AM |

I agree on Anderson. But we don't bring guys here to "compete." We just bring them to "visit:" A little get-to-know-you tete-a-tete over a latte and some chocolate chip cookies. Get some inside dope on the guy's former team, then -- whoosh! -- back to the airport. If he makes a nice impression and he's still on the market in May, we might call him in for a second visit.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

DE's are easily playing into 33, 34, and Carter is in great shape.

Posted by: dolemite1 |

so true..especially the ones in great shape like Carter...we have one on the team now in Daniels...he's what like 38?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Didn't know about the no-trade clause in Carter's contract. It sounds like they could still trade him, although he would have to approve. Still, if the team were to sit down with him and explain he will either be playing linebacker in a 3-4 or get traded to a team who needs a 4-3 end, I suppose he would rather be traded.

As far as the 3-4 transition, I am of the "in for an inch, in for a mile" mindset. If they want to move to a 3-4, then they should do it all the way and not leave the door open for players to lobby for more of the old defense. It will be hard, no doubt, and there are some players that will not fit; but they will be better in the long run if they make a clean break with the 4-3. They should trade Carter to a 4-3 team for whatever they can get and be happy they got something for him. One way or another he won't be playing for the Redskins at the beginning of the season and they should at least get something for him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

bring anderson in, wait for some teams qb to go down, then trade him to that team for a premium.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

4th, I always said that bringing back Campbell for one more season can't hurt.

Everyone knows he will never be a top 5 QB, but guys like Hasselbeck prove you don't have to be top 5 to help your team to the bowl.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

A good coordinator will find a role for a good player.

That is all.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Can the Redskins ever just act like a normal NFL team? It seems that Allen is just trying to show everyone that he is the anti-Cerrato. This team was 4-12 and needs help in FA in addition to the draft -- last time I checked you do not get extra picks for being conservative in FA. The 'plan' (as I recall Vinny had a 'plan' too) is to have a bunch of guys visit and leave.

C'mon -- bring the guys in that you want and sign them. From there, fill in the holes in the draft.

We are not one player away, we are about 10 -- get to work Bruce and build the team. The other 31 teams are not going just going to hang out just because you view FA as a months long process.

Posted by: cityboy1 | March 9, 2010 10:22 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^$$$$$$$$$################

This Redskins Front Office "New Approach" concept, that everyone is applauding...
Ie.... dont sign expensive FA's.. take it slow.. yada, yada...
Essentially, a 4-12 team with only 5 draft picks taking the pecuniarius offseason approach similar to the "Jacksonville Jaguars" of the NFL..

Could this "New Approach" possibly be convenient timing for Mr. Snyder to financially shore up some numerous and at least one (Six Flags) precarious outside business interests?
He still signs the checks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Tebow may not be a bad pick if we get him in the later rounds...
I know all the talk about his arm not being quite NFLish but he's a leader and you can't discount that...some of the same negative comments were made about Joe Montana...weak arm etc...but Joe was a leader....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The Wildcat is a trend that'll go away soon.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 10:38 AM
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Next year I am proposing the "Wild Hog" package where the team lines up in a goal line formation with Alexander as a tightend. Then they shift to Campbell as a wide receiver and Alexander as the QB. We snap the ball directly to Lorenzo Alexander and he plows straight ahead. The "Wild Hog" - you heard it here first.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Didn't know about the no-trade clause in Carter's contract. It sounds like they could still trade him, although he would have to approve.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 10:43 AM

"No trade clause" = "Pay me to trade me"

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

snagm, yeah, and look for the redskins to draft either a WR, or a RB with their first pick, so that they can CASH IN on the jersey sales.....

Snyder isn't signing guys because he's using the salary money for Johnny Rockets...

you can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I would not be completely against bringing in Anderson to compete with Campbell, right now he is easily the best QB available in free agency in my mind.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:35 AM |

He's completed 48% of his passes over the past 2 years. He could be worth a look, but he's definitely not getting better every year like the QB we have.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

i found this....

# Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6½ (out of 9). The report said: "He can thread the needle, but usually goes with his primary receiver and forces the ball to him even when he's in a crowd. He's a gutty, gambling, cocky type. Doesn't have great tools, but could eventually start."

Phil Simms (Giants), Steve Fuller (Chiefs) and Jack Thompson (Bengals) were selected ahead of Montana, a late third-round pick by the 49ers acquired from Dallas.

Shy and quiet off the field, Montana was the boss in the huddle - and he made sure his teammates understood that.

Does this sound like Tebow....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Haynesworth had something to do with Carter's increased productivity?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 10:31 AM

Has everything to do with it.

His trade value is at it's highest right now. If I can get a second or third rounder and turn that pick into a good NT to move Haynesworth to DE more often, I'd seriously think about it.

Posted by: edvar | March 10, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

i found this....

# Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6½ (out of 9). The report said: "He can thread the needle, but usually goes with his primary receiver and forces the ball to him even when he's in a crowd. He's a gutty, gambling, cocky type. Doesn't have great tools, but could eventually start."

Phil Simms (Giants), Steve Fuller (Chiefs) and Jack Thompson (Bengals) were selected ahead of Montana, a late third-round pick by the 49ers acquired from Dallas.

Shy and quiet off the field, Montana was the boss in the huddle - and he made sure his teammates understood that.

Does this sound like Tebow....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 10:50 AM

Nope!

Can't throw.

Posted by: edvar | March 10, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

This Redskins Front Office "New Approach" concept, that everyone is applauding...
Ie.... dont sign expensive FA's.. take it slow.. yada, yada...
Essentially, a 4-12 team with only 5 draft picks taking the pecuniarius offseason approach similar to the "Jacksonville Jaguars" of the NFL..

Could this "New Approach" possibly be convenient timing for Mr. Snyder to financially shore up some numerous and at least one (Six Flags) precarious outside business interests?
He still signs the checks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM
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I think you all might be reading a little too much into this. What I am seeing is a front office that is trying to get value out of their payroll. The frequency of the signings will go up after a few weeks as big contract expectations go down. There will, no doubt, be some trades of players who don't quite fit. Plus, I think the draft and undrafted free agent signings are going to be a big part of this team's DNA during the Shanahan-Allen years.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Alan,
I am not saying he would win. Just saying if done right and it pushes Jason a bit thats a good thing. And we now need a quality backup anyway.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

you can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM

Actually, you can...seen it w/my own eyes...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Quick comment from the zone blocking thread.

In there it said, they ran zone and downhill... assuming they are different. But if you remember one of Portis' rants, he said that he asks for downhill, and then when others get in the game (betts, rock), they would run downhill.

So being that they are different, how is he now happy that shanny's zone blocking scheme will fit him as it did in the past?

I guess you could argue Shannys zone is different than all others... but Portis clearly said he likes downhill plays, where he does not have to read a hole, just get in the gap and lower his head.

So I guess his production in Denver WAS all about that stellar o line, not his skill. He just seems to be playing both sides of the copin there looking for excuses.

As someone mentioned yesterday, I hope for our sake he was just doggin it last year. but if I see CP stumble in the open field again b/c his body lean is too severe, i would bench him...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I was wondering, does anyone on here own an Andre Carter Jersey. The #99 looks cool, I'd like to have one.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

you can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM

Look who's talking about not being able to make stuff up. Maybe I can't make this stuff up but you're the master.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

AC is signed and relatively cheap. His contract should not be a factor. While he would be decent trade bate, I can easily see him staying for use in the 4-3 packages at a minimum. It comes down to what you could get for him (and of course if he wanted to be traded). That means you need to look at teams that run the 4-3 that would be competing for a title who have a need for AC and be willing to pay. I don't know exactly who that is but it can't be a lot of teams. So I expect him to be a very productive situational pass rusher for us this year.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Could this "New Approach" possibly be convenient timing for Mr. Snyder to financially shore up some numerous and at least one (Six Flags) precarious outside business interests?
He still signs the checks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM

Could be, but what does Six Flags have to do with it. Six Flags went bankrupt. Snyder lost control of it, and his stock became worthless. He doesn't have a financial interest in Six Flags to "shore up." He's an outsider, looking in, same as the rest of us.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Didn't know about the no-trade clause in Carter's contract. It sounds like they could still trade him, although he would have to approve.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 10:43 AM

"No trade clause" = "Pay me to trade me"

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM
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I am sure that's how it will be spun, but if he's at market value already, I doubt any team is going to pay him too much more.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I see no problem with him coming in playing DE and a pure rushing OLB from time to time. If nothing else just to force the other team to adjust their blocking.

Lets say you put carter on the edge as a OLB, that OT knows he is going to have to block Carter and now the DE or ILB is facing a single blocker on their rush.

Carter could be used to confuse.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand the conversation about trading ACarter. We need athletes, guys who can ball. ACarter had a great year in 09. Yes, AHaynie had a lot to do about that. But so what. #99 can play, and he will be an asset to us, both on and off the field, this year. I don't care if his knuckles get dirty or not. He's a stud. We keep him, and play him. Please, no more talk about trading him for a 4th! He's worth too much to us.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Teams aren't going to give up draft picks for players like Andre Carter. Free agency is going to look like this from now on - a bunch of old guys looking for one last contract. Draft picks will be more valuable than ever and teams won't give them up for marginal players.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I am sure that's how it will be spun, but if he's at market value already, I doubt any team is going to pay him too much more.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 11:05 AM

If they want to trade him, then the team that will pay him is the Redskins. How much they have to pay depends on the team he's traded to and what they will give him in a new contract.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Could this "New Approach" possibly be convenient timing for Mr. Snyder to financially shore up some numerous and at least one (Six Flags) precarious outside business interests?
He still signs the checks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM

Skins fans are very confused and some very distraught. You cannot blame them though, we have been relieved of our only solace as of late.
We did not win the Superbowl this March, maybe April will bring us our annual offseason Superbowl title, ten years running by my count.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"So I guess his production in Denver WAS all about that stellar o line, not his skill. He just seems to be playing both sides of the copin there looking for excuses."

No, he was a good running back in both places.

The offensive line in Denver was successful not just because of talented blockers, but because they cut-block. It's also why Shanahan has never been popular with the league's defensive coordinators.

Portis is actually a very talented runner. The Portis we saw last season, and at the end of the prior season, looked done, the way Shawn Alexander and LaDainian Tomlinson have looked done. Injury, motivation, scheme -- who can tell? But the giveaway was how well other runners did when they took over. Sproles, Betts -- the attack improved almost immediately.

Can Portis come back? I have no idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Look like a real organization, huh?" DeAngelo Hall joked on the Colin Cowherd show. "You know what? Mike Shanahan, Bruce Allen, Daniel Snyder, I think they're headed in the right direction. I don't think they feel like they have to go out and spend a lot of money to address certain needs or to even be a good football team. I think we are a good football team, if you look at our roster. Do we still need to get better? Yeah, definitely. Definitely need to get better, but I think Coach Shanahan's gonna bring a different attitude, and I think it's the attitude that we've been missing the last couple of years."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/03/hall_redkins_look_like_a_real.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Alex, I agree competition would be good at QB. Anderson just has such a weird history--drafted in the 6th round, 1 Pro-Bowl, and released now at age 26. Take away that 1 Pro-Bowl year and his career numbers are pretty bad. His age is the only thing that gives him any upside to me.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. JReid actually reads the comments up here and responds to all of the trade Carter talk with a little bit of previously undisclosed info like the no-trade clause, and some of you little b1tchez still yell and complain about how the posts are repetitive? What a bunch of whinybabies you are. And you know who you are. Some might say that he provided some “Insider” info, which is what you complain about never getting when you aren’t complaining about god knows what else.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"Teams aren't going to give up draft picks for players like Andre Carter."

Sure they would, if they thought he could pay dividends immediately. Pass rushers are always at a premium. And the draft picks might include futures.

Carter might be our most tradeable commodity. As to what he'd bring, I can't tell.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

AC didn't like the OLB role and stunk at it for a year.

I say we count on him to be a professional and give it another go.

New team, new situation, maybe it will click...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

He's completed 48% of his passes over the past 2 years. He could be worth a look, but he's definitely not getting better every year like the QB we have.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 10:50 AM
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Unless you were being sarcastic.. JC's stats contained alot of dump offs under 10 yards (80 percent). A fact mentioned more than once by Phil Simms in the last Skins nationally televised game.

JC is a nice guy.. average QB.. etc.. But he hasnt been the same since his season ending injury in 2007. You can see the difference in the JC of that year and the JC of 08 and 09.
He doesnt wait that extra needed half second for the WR to break open or acquire the needed separation. He is playing scared and dumps off the pass to any open receiver (usually less than 10 yards or often short of the sticks) without waiting for the WR to become open, that can move the sticks. Three and outs seemed commonplace last year.
You can say its the OLine.. but he had pretty poor OLines in 06 and 07 and his beyond 10 yards stats were much better.

This is (by his own admission) a pilates, yoga body worshipping QB that saw his knee cap detached from its patella and relocated to the back of his leg.

He hasnt been the same in the pocket ever since..
And it hard to "fix scared"..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Does this sound like Tebow...."


No, because the whole 'Can he read a defense' issue is what separates the two.

If you want any UF game, Tebow gets the snap and his head and hips are already aligned in the direction of the primary receiver.

And if no one is open, he pulls the ball down and runs: it was just that simple for him.

That's how Bama beat him in the SEC Championship game--they dared him to throw and shadowed R McClain to the strongside of the offensive formation.

His back up at UF, John Brantley, will be the guy folks yak about next Fall as he is a classic drop back thrower with a great arm.

Even if he cleans up his throwing motion, learning to move through progressions and recognizing tricky coverages will take time no impatient head coach or fanbase has any longer.

Tebow will get on an NFL roster, no doubt.

But his play will not make anybody doubt that J Montana was the best the NFL ever had.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Some might say that he provided some “Insider” info, which is what you complain about never getting when you aren’t complaining about god knows what else.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 11:12 AM

Right now, I'm complaining about you complaining about us. But, I'm flexible and can complain about something or someone else later.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

And it hard to "fix scared"..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 11:13 AM

Scared? Hey here's three proven winners (or so I've heard):

A. Alcohol
B. Drugs
C. Illegal drugs

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Andre Carter has a no trade Clausen?

His agent was really thinking ahead.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | March 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Carter might be our most tradeable commodity. As to what he'd bring, I can't tell.
Posted by: Samson151

The no-trade clause limits his tradeability, IMO. AC likes it here so he would not go to another team running a 3-4 (nor would those teams be interested). Nor would he willingly go to a crappy 4-3 team at this point in his career. Who are the good teams running a 4-3 in desperate need of a pass rushing end (and not in the NFC East)? I really think our trade options are limited.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

What about Derek Anderson, he made the Pro Bowl with the BROWNS, fer cryin' out loud, he's very similiar to Campbell and can stretch the field..But, Tebow actually might not be a bad fit if we go Wildcat in the redzone, an area where Campbell has struggled, right?? Dude's a hella-athlete, and knows how to punch it in...(Too bad Shuler wasn't around for the days of the Wildcat)..

Posted by: frak | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

When we couldn't score in the red zone it was because we were running left every play. When Sherm started throwing the ball in the red zone we started scoring TDs. This reminds me of why Zorn was so terrible. In the STL game we got stuffed 5 times on 16 run plays. We only threw 3 passes. 2 were dropped(1 was into very tight coverage) and 1 of them was an obvious PI call. The play calling change took us form being one of the worst red zone teams to one of the best.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

JC is a nice guy.. average QB.. etc.. But he hasnt been the same since his season ending injury in 2007. You can see the difference in the JC of that year and the JC of 08 and 09.


-Halfway through the 2008 Season Jaws on MNF said that JC was his first half MVP. So I think he bounced back from that injury.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Right now, I'm complaining about you complaining about us. But, I'm flexible and can complain about something or someone else later.
Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:15 AM

Don’t hate the hater- haters!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Who are the good teams running a 4-3 in desperate need of a pass rushing end (and not in the NFC East)?

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 10, 2010 11:21 AM

Name a team running a 4-3 and you've also named a team in need of a pass rushing end. In the NFL you can't have too much speed and you can't have too many pass rushing ends -- and that applies to the Redskins, too.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

A. Alcohol
B. Drugs
C. Illegal drugs

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of...

RIP Corey Haim

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 10, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

We all know what Carter thought and said about playing LB in San Fran but has anyone bothered to ask him what he thinks now? Things change. I think Carter can be used in much the same way Chris Wilson or Orakpo are. Could create a lot of confusion for offenses

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 10, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I am so sick of the "dump off" excuse used to complain about campbell. The guy had as many passes for over 40 yards last season as Payton Manning, tied at 12th in that category and had 40 passes for 20+ yards (just under Kurt Warner). Not saying he did great, but its not like the team had no passes that went down field.

The long ball is dependent on so much more working correctly than just the QB play. You need blocking, a WR to go down field and get open just as much as you need a accurate QB. McNabb is probably one of the most inaccurate QB's in the NFL but now that he has two fast WR's that can get a 10 yard buffer zone on a streak rout he suddenly is making the long passes look easy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I was watching a program yesterday on the greatest draft day trades in history, and the one that stood out was from a legend named Bill Walsh.

Walsh has always been known as the savvy businessman on draft day, usually associated with moving high picks for multiple mid-round ones, then turning the mid-round picks into starters for his dynasty.

His best pick, however, came from a bold move in trading up.

In the 1985 draft, Walsh coveted a player by the name of Jerry Rice, and though Rice had seen his stock fall due to a slow 40 time, Walsh knew this guy was going to be a player. Walsh also knew that Rice was coveted by the franchise selecting at pick #17 in round one, so Walsh decided to unload his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in order to move up to the #16 slot in round one (the 49ers won the SB the year before, and were picking at #28). That was a steep price to pay, but with that selection, Walsh was able to snatch what would be the greatest receiver (and arguably the greatest player) of all time.

And the team that was picking at #17? Dallas Cowboys.

Thank god for Bill Walsh.

Just thought this was an interesting tidbit.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

You guys still listening to Mista Mayor and Cindy? Methinks Redskins management like them about as much as the Dallas Cowboys and Emmitt Smith?

I believe that the Redskins will implement a defense similar to what the Arizona Cardinals use. It is a 4-3 but has many 3-4 looks. In spite of what Mista Mayor reports personnel wise they appear to be moving toward a 4-3/3-4 hybrid. Otherwise why keep Daniels and Wynn? Both Haynesworth and Carter might take issue with a "classic" 3-4. And you have plenty of linebackers by taking advantage of the smallish defensive ends like Orapko, Carter and Jarmon.

The key to this defense? Well you great draft prognosticators, quarterback lovers/haters/predictors here is the key to Arizona's hybrid defense:

As talented as the linebackers are, the strength of the Arizona defense is the secondary. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (“DRC”) and Adrian Wilson are going to be perennial Pro Bowl candidates for the next few years. DRC is already one
of the most athletic defensive players in the NFL and is a ter- rific playmaker who had four INTs in the second half of the season and then two more in the playoffs. Adrian Wilson can do it all – get to the passer (eight sacks in 2005, two in the NFC Championship Game), create turnovers and make big plays (his resume includes both a 99-yard fumble return TD and 99-yard INT return TD). Playing alongside these two stars is Antrel Rolle, another terrific athlete who plays “centerfield” for the Cardinals.

Posted by: periculum | March 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

so I'm taking it that nobody owns an Andre Carter jersey

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Random thought: Can DeNiro be Lombardi?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Random thought: Can DeNiro be Lombardi?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I can't think of anyone else.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Didn't we just talk about this yesterday? Hey, did Randel El get signed? I wonder if the Skins will cut Smoot or Griffin.

If the Skins thought Carter wasn't viable, they would have included him in the "dead weight" category and released him already.

Posted by: Section104 | March 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

El was signed by the Steelers. I am guessing as a QB...

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Norris would've been 70 today, but his age is afraid of him.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

El was signed by the Steelers. I am guessing as a QB...

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:34 AM

For real? I thought this was just a BeantownGreg fake-out. Did the Steelers sign him to a one-day contract so he could retire as a Steeler?

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Norris would've been 70 today, but his age is afraid of him.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse


Instead, time is 70 Chuck Norrises today.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 10, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Right now, I'm complaining about you complaining about us. But, I'm flexible and can complain about something or someone else later.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks LS. It's good to be flexible, makes you a better team blogger.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Ernest Borgnine could be Lombardi...Spray paint Strahan and give him wrinkles and Clark Kent glasses..Joe Montana had Jerry Rice (do they still celebrate "Jerry Rice Day" in SF?? Who needs a Budwieser excuse..)

Ah yesss, will the REAL Hoyas please STAND UP?? Ahh, De Madness...

(Frak!! brought to you by Budweiser, "Frak Open A Case Today!!!"')

Posted by: frak | March 10, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:

"The Washington Post suggests that DE Andre Carter could be "the odd man out" with the Redskins switching to a 3-4 defense."

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Technically, if we get rid of him because of switching from a 4-man line to a 3-man line, wouldn't he be the even man out?

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I am so sick of the "dump off" excuse used to complain about campbell. The guy had as many passes for over 40 yards last season as Payton Manning, tied at 12th in that category and had 40 passes for 20+ yards (just under Kurt Warner). Not saying he did great, but its not like the team had no passes that went down field.

The long ball is dependent on so much more working correctly than just the QB play. You need blocking, a WR to go down field and get open just as much as you need a accurate QB. McNabb is probably one of the most inaccurate QB's in the NFL but now that he has two fast WR's that can get a 10 yard buffer zone on a streak rout he suddenly is making the long passes look easy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse


Manning and McNabb execute their offenses.

JC17 does not.

I'm so sick of stat-mongering for the purposes of propping up JC17.

If he's so great how come Peter Carroll isn't beating down our door to trade for him? Doesn't Carolina need a starting QB? What about Buffalo? Last I checked Cleveland's QB situation was totally up in the air, and wouldn't you think Holmgren would want to make a move for a promising Zorn disciple? Oakland used 3 or 4 starting QBs last year, how come they aren't in the mix for our accurate strong-armed QB?

Apart from a couple of bean-counters up here who like to toggle through QB fantasy stats in a desperate attempt to tell us that our eyes deceive us when we watch JC17 play and lose - NO ONE IN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL SEEMS TO THINK MUCH OF HIM.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

EMAIL COMMS with JREID -

From: Jason Reid
Date: March 9, 2010 4:18:55 PM EST
To: "Mike"
Cc: Rick Maese , Barry Svrluga , "Cindy Boren"
Subject: Re: Message via washingtonpost.com: insider content


Sorry you feel that way. I'll put the work we do on a daily basis up against anyone. I definitely know we've had our share of scoops, and we take pride in posting as much accurate information as quickly as we can. But there are many journalists/bloggers doing great work.

The days of one person, or one media outlet, breaking all the news are long gone. But that's great news for fans of the Redskins. If you don't like what we're doing, you have many sources of information from which to choose. In any event, be well. And thanks for reading.


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
Sent: 03/09/2010 09:01 PM GMT
To: Jason Reid
Subject: Message via washingtonpost.com: insider content

Mike sent the following message:

I am very disappointed in the quality of "insider info" you and your support are providing. I get better quality information on my own by doing essentially the same online research you seem to be doing. I don't ever comment on the blog, but felt the need to express my opinion due to the lack of informative articles/blogs & inside info. It's a shame.
______________________________

BOTTOMLINE - the "insider info" here is top notch? So much so, WaPo just reposted the same article from two days ago but just with a few changed words.

WE READ THIS JREID, cuz us as readers get more info & insight from our comments than your work, which says a lot about ur abilities, or lack thereof.

Anyone else agree?

Posted by: moneymike | March 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

He doesnt wait that extra needed half second for the WR to break open or acquire the needed separation. He is playing scared and dumps off the pass to any open receiver (usually less than 10 yards or often short of the sticks) without waiting for the WR to become open...


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 11:13 AM


This is a new criticism! I thought one of the common knocks on him is that he holds onto the ball too long....

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I dont think I ever cross blogged this. But I did some math on how the run game of ever NFL team was if you took out QB rushing yards a while back

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/18695018

FYI if you do that math washington has the worst run game in the league, worse than indy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Still don't agree with this slow transition to a 3-4 defense. They can't afford to spend draft picks on a 3-4 and there's not many free agents that are available for a 3-4. So why put so much time and effort into switching, especially since some of the solid players on defense aren't 3-4 caliber players? Seems very unnecessary to me.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter just tweeted that we've signed Maake Kemoutu to a 2 year $7 million deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Ding! Etrod wins.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: moneymike | March 10, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Wow, dude.

Just change the channel if you don't like what's on...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If its not broke dont fix it. Pass rush was good last year. Secondary was soft. Fix the O-line and leave A. Carter alone.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | March 10, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

J. Campbell works very, very hard. In the offseasons. Unlike Portoise. He doesn't whine or complain when his offensive line breaks down. He is very much a team player. In other words Shanahan's kind of guy. Get used to it people.

Posted by: periculum | March 10, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Apart from a couple of bean-counters up here who like to toggle through QB fantasy stats in a desperate attempt to tell us that our eyes deceive us when we watch JC17 play and lose - NO ONE IN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL SEEMS TO THINK MUCH OF HIM.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:43 AM

Did you forget the guy who said he admires him and put a 1st round tender on him? That sounds about right for a starting NFL QB who hasn't shined and hasn't bombed.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Alan,
Stop showing people how they are poking holes in their own argument.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"As talented as the linebackers are, the strength of the Arizona defense is the secondary."

It's also very hard to run over Darnell Dockett, a guy we forget about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Norris would've been 70 today, but his age is afraid of him.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Norris would of got whipped in this age of mixed martial arts by the likes of Anderson Silva among others.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"I'd like to take Blount with the 5th round pick.."

I like Blount, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 8:36

What's this about blunts?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter just tweeted that we've signed Maake Kemoutu to a 2 year $7 million deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

But that's great news for fans of the Redskins. If you don't like what we're doing, you have many sources of information from which to choose. In any event, be well. And thanks for reading.
__________________________________________

What does he really mean by this statement?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The 4-3/3-4 hybrid was so successful in Arizona it led to Pittsburgh and other 3-4 teams adopting some aspects of it. I think when Shanahan says Redskins defense that is exactly what it means; a hybrid that will take full advantage of the personnel while hiding glaring weaknesses.

Posted by: periculum | March 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Random thought: Can DeNiro be Lombardi?
Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse
I can't think of anyone else.
Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 10, 2010 11:32 AM

I thought Jerry Stiller did a pretty good job in those Nike commercials about 10-12 years ago.. He essentially just yelled a lot like his character on Seinfeld, but it was very Lombardi-esque…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter just tweeted that we've signed Maake Kemoutu to a 2 year $7 million deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:47 AM

GOOD! Inquiring minds want to know whether this contract includes provisos for numbers of games played, esp. given the pace of his current recovery from surgery.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"NO ONE IN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL SEEMS TO THINK MUCH OF HIM.

Posted by: p1funk"

Except for the guy that tendered Jason Campbell with a 1st round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

NO ONE IN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL SEEMS TO THINK MUCH OF HIM.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Plenty of teams need a WR but no one has given up a first rounder for Brandon Marshall.

Must mean that no one thinks much of him either right?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Norris would of got whipped in this age of mixed martial arts by the likes of Anderson Silva among others.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 10, 2010 11:51 AM


Wow. There's always at least one in every group.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It's also very hard to run over Darnell Dockett, a guy we forget about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 11:50 AM

**Snickering**

4th in 3...2...1...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

PFT, ESPN, and the comments section already reporting that we've signed Kemoeatu, when will the "insider" report it?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Did you forget the guy who said he admires him and put a 1st round tender on him? That sounds about right for a starting NFL QB who hasn't shined and hasn't bombed.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse


Do you think Shanahan thinks that Campbell is the solution for the Skins at QB?

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

What does he really mean by this statement?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I am interpreting...IF you don't like it get the fudge out.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

snagm, yeah, and look for the redskins to draft either a WR, or a RB with their first pick, so that they can CASH IN on the jersey sales.....

Snyder isn't signing guys because he's using the salary money for Johnny Rockets...

you can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM
===================================

Could this "New Approach" possibly be convenient timing for Mr. Snyder to financially shore up some numerous and at least one (Six Flags) precarious outside business interests?
He still signs the checks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM

Could be, but what does Six Flags have to do with it. Six Flags went bankrupt. Snyder lost control of it, and his stock became worthless. He doesn't have a financial interest in Six Flags to "shore up." He's an outsider, looking in, same as the rest of us.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 11:04 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$44

Six Flags is not bankrupt.. its under Bankruptcy protection (Chap 11).
And, last I looked on Hoovers, Snyder is still Chairman with a vested interest. And thus also has liability in a Chapter 11 entity.
http://www.hoovers.com/company/Six_Flags_Inc/hrcjri-1-1njea1.html

NFL owners do control discretionary expenditures of salaries (players capped.. staffing isnt)... And if you examine Snyder's outside interest's cash flow on an industry level (Six Flags we know about) such as media (radio, magazines, etc)....advertising revenue is down considerably in all channels. Johnny Rockets is privately held, so no insight there.. But even FedEx operational cash flow could be suffering. Those layoffs have already been publicized. And during the last 4 home games of 09... one could see huge blocks of empty seats at FedEx which had to have a tremendous adverse effect on concession sales, as well...

jus saying... The "New FA Approach" may have other reasons, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Maake Kemoutu, achilles tendon injury, recovery going slowly. But I still like this guy if he's healthy can absolutely contribute and also demonstrates 3-4 is slowly but surely showing it's face.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

JRied ur a fcukin jerk...all you do is re-hash the bullsh!t...no wonder Danny had the WaPost cut off from access to the team....get the hell out of DC and go back to SoCal..you Hootie-Blowfish b!tch

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

well said!!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

woohooo Kemo! Yay, great...meh, I know nothing about him just glad we signed somebody that hopefully will help out.

Posted by: will_ga | March 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Outsider:
Where breaking news never occurs.
Now we just need a spiffy new logo.

Posted by: isnadd | March 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Still don't agree with this slow transition to a 3-4 defense."


Those of us who've been banging the drum in support for the change appreciate the slow, steady, thoughtful pace as speedy change usually leads to poor outcomes and deflated hopes.

Oooops: did I just re-open the door to the political chatta?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Darnell Dockett should play inside in the 4-3 but will be on the outside in the Cardinals base defense; he’s a wide body that is athletic enough to be a playmaker as a 3-4 end.

Albert Haynesworth is an all-pro inside in the 4-3 but will be on the outside in the Redskins base defense: he's a wide body that is athletic enough to be a playmaker as a 3-4 end.

Sorry Mista Mayor you will not be seeing Mr. Haynesworth at nose tackle. Instead you will likely see Anthony Montgomery .. which is why he was resigned to a contract.

Posted by: periculum | March 10, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Do you think Shanahan thinks that Campbell is the solution for the Skins at QB?

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Someone with some say at redskins park must think he is part of the solution, if no one did, or if they did not think there was was some decent value to him, he would not still be on the roster.

Define "The Solution"

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Carter has a no-trade clause in his contract? I wonder whether Newman is his agent.

"NEWMAN."

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

woohooo Kemo! Yay, great...meh, I know nothing about him just glad we signed somebody that hopefully will help out.

Posted by: will_ga | March 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse


run stuffing DT who was 340 pounds supposedly more like 370 now. as long as he gets healthy we just signed our NT for the next two seasons. And something tells me James Andrews and Bruce Allen wouldn't have signed him to a two year deal if he wasn't expected to recover.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Maake Kemoutu was a stud for the Panthers. I'm a skins fan who now lives in Raleigh and, in my opinion, the Panthers defense took a huge hit last year when Kemoutu was lost for the season. Think Joe Salevea, but younger and stronger.

A true NT fills our biggest immediate need on D. Now Albert can play DE and wreck havoc with Orakpo lined up next to him.

Next up on D: a true FS!

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Keomatu (sp?) the guy who still can't run on the treadmill?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Redskins-have-made-a-move.html

Washington reaches an agreement with free agent DT Kemoeatu.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Maake Kemoutu to a 2 year $7 million deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Interesting move. You would have to think he won't be as explosive of the LOS coming off the injury. In addition he'll have to work hard to get into playing shape. I hopr he can be effective in the run game, but the search for quality depth at NT continues.

Posted by: TWISI | March 10, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Shanahan thinks that Campbell is the solution for the Skins at QB?

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM

I think Shanahan was unable to make that assessment because of the circus going on around Campbell: shoddy O-line, no run game whatsoever, tiny receievers. So he took the middle road, committing to him for 1 year without committing long term.

I believe Shanahan will give him a fair chance to compete--with more NFL caliber players around him--to determine if he's the solution.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

PFT, ESPN, and the comments section already reporting that we've signed Kemoeatu, when will the "insider" report it?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM

We are the Insider and it has been reported.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Outsider:
Where breaking news never occurs.
Now we just need a spiffy new logo.

Posted by: isnadd | March 10, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

how about a script R in a circle like this ® if we want to be fancy we could put feathers on it

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

excellent reporting jreid... a little slow on the uptake...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Plenty of teams need a WR but no one has given up a first rounder for Brandon Marshall.

Must mean that no one thinks much of him either right?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Apples and oranges, man.

Marshall is a certified head-case who has been suspended and fined multiple times by his own team. No one questions his talent. No one needs to considering the production he's had. They certainly question his maturity.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

run stuffing DT who was 340 pounds supposedly more like 370 now ... something tells me James Andrews and Bruce Allen wouldn't have signed him to a two year deal if he wasn't expected to recover.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM

Something tells me that he's going to have to sit at Mike Williams' table in the cafeteria.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

posted by JReid 1:15 pm
The Skins have signed broken-down nose tackle to a bank-breaking $7 mil contract. He's not expected to see any playing time this year.

reported by BTG

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think Shanahan thinks that Campbell is the solution for the Skins at QB?

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse"

I bet he thinks he could be a solution, otherwise Campbell would be shown the door for whatever draft pick any team was willing to give up, rather than being given a $3+ million salary (when players are being cut for $1 million) and the value of a 1st round price tag placed on his head.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

when will the "insider" report it?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM

In 3, 2, 1....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

like i said, we populate this blog because its obvious we can find "inside info" first and post it faster then this bum at WaPo... we make this blog, not JReid & friends. That was my point...

Posted by: moneymike | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Monkey Mike.
Yes, I agree we want new Redskins stories two or three times a day...minimum. They should be insightful, well researched and be confirmed from two or more sources or be interviews with players or prospects.

RI should even publish stories that are not issued by the Public Affairs office of Redskins Park. In spite of the fact that the team is not forthcoming with information.

Having agreed with you fully, let's take a step back...theory meet practice.

What we get is what there is. J Reid and other staffers who post are doing the best they can under the circumstances. What news is there to report within even a 72 hour period in the off-season.

I love it when the haters pan J Reid when the post came from some other staffer. You hate before you even read.

(I can't believe I'm explaining this. I must stop)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News Beep!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Shanahan thinks that Campbell is the solution for the Skins at QB?

Posted by: p1funk


I don't know. It seems like he taken a wait and see approach. Let's see how he does with this coaching staff with stuff like a: new QB coach, new o-coordinator, new philosophy on offense....

Which isn't too much to ask or expect for them to do.

If Campbell sucks in 2010, well they should probably go in a different direction. If he does well, then what are you going to say?

I just know for the sake of the Redskins, I hope Campbell does well. I couldn't care less about the name on the back of the jersey or some "I told you so" bullcrap.

Just win dammit!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Except for the guy that tendered Jason Campbell with a 1st round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM

How does that invalidate what p1funk said? Or did I miss the story where team after team has invited JC for a look see? Unless people start expressing interest, I don't know that the tender says anything about JC except that he'll be here next year for cheap.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Apples and oranges, man.

Marshall is a certified head-case who has been suspended and fined multiple times by his own team. No one questions his talent. No one needs to considering the production he's had. They certainly question his maturity.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

My point is you don't see a bunch of teams looking to give up their 1st rnd pick.

JC is an average QB. Just because he's not signed in the 1st week of FA doesn't mean he is anything less than an average QB.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

This is a new criticism! I thought one of the common knocks on him is that he holds onto the ball too long....

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 11:45 AM
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I think you are referring to his infamous "double pump/ball pat" before he throws an Interception.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Someone with some say at redskins park must think he is part of the solution, if no one did, or if they did not think there was was some decent value to him, he would not still be on the roster.

Define "The Solution"

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse


Of course he has "value". I've not heard anyone argue that he is totally worthless. But when folks start doing stat comparisons between JC17, Peyton manning and Donovan McNabb, that's a bit ridiculous.

The Solution = The coaches are going firmly with JC17 as their guy to be the long-term starter for the Skins in this new project.

The answer to the question is obviously "no". The best endorsement we've heard from Shanny's mouth about JC17 is "we expect him to be with the team".

People are pointing to the "tender" as evidence of his high worth/value. The tender is little more than a starting point for haggling. The Skins don't want to lose him for nothing. That's it. If they actually "valued" him wouldn't they sign him to a long-term deal?

That's like walking onto a used car-lot, looking at the price tag the salesman put on the vehicle and then calling that the car's "value".

See. These are the ridiculous arguments that people start making in defense of a 5-year veteran who has a losing record, has never been to the postseason, has never been to the ProBowl, and has been benched by his own coaches.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Next up on D: a true FS!

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes where is Atogwe. Unless your plan is to take a FS in the draft (im not complaining if we take Berry). Then he is now and will continue to be the best FS available this offseason.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

My point is you don't see a bunch of teams looking to give up their 1st rnd pick.

JC is an average QB. Just because he's not signed in the 1st week of FA doesn't mean he is anything less than an average QB.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse


I'd say "mediocre", but whatever.

"Average" QBs shouldn't get compared to Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb, who are perennial ProBowlers that consistently have their teams in the playoffs and carry their teams with their play.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me that he's going to have to sit at Mike Williams' table in the cafeteria.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:05 PM

"Lighter more athletic" was the descripton of Lineman preferred for a zone blocking scheme that shanny runs. Mike Williams? being signed?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I thought Jerry Stiller did a pretty good job in those Nike commercials about 10-12 years ago.. He essentially just yelled a lot like his character on Seinfeld, but it was very Lombardi-esque…..

Posted by: dlhaze1

Yeh..Jerry Stiller as Lombardi...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Except for the guy that tendered Jason Campbell with a 1st round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM

How does that invalidate what p1funk said? Or did I miss the story where team after team has invited JC for a look see? Unless people start expressing interest, I don't know that the tender says anything about JC except that he'll be here next year for cheap.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:10 PM
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It means the same teams that desparately need a QB and who would not give Snyder a 2nd round pick for JC last year, would still prefer to gamble on using their 1st pick, this year, on an unproven NFL prospect than a 5 year veteran like JC.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Oooops: did I just re-open the door to the political chatta?


I hope not...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

How does that invalidate what p1funk said? Or did I miss the story where team after team has invited JC for a look see? Unless people start expressing interest, I don't know that the tender says anything about JC except that he'll be here next year for cheap.

Posted by: learnedhand1

How many RFA's that have been tendered with a 1st are getting a looksie...this is the year of the owners..to the surprise of almost everyone...unlike baseball, nfl owners are united..they know that the league is only as strong as the weakest owner/team...they want to control salaries and max their profits while they can..that's why the tender are low across the league...and no RFA movement like years past...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter can kiss my entire azz!!!! feed him beans and send him on his way!!!

Posted by: scoopluv8 | March 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Should never have given Carter a no-trade clause. That should only be reserved for elite players that have proven themselves over time.

Carter came here in 2006 after a couple of so-so years in San Francisco.

He has been solid for the most part here, but again not an elite player.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 10, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of the "dump off" excuse used to complain about campbell. The guy had as many passes for over 40 yards last season as Payton Manning, tied at 12th in that category and had 40 passes for 20+ yards (just under Kurt Warner). Not saying he did great, but its not like the team had no passes that went down field.

The long ball is dependent on so much more working correctly than just the QB play. You need blocking, a WR to go down field and get open just as much as you need a accurate QB. McNabb is probably one of the most inaccurate QB's in the NFL but now that he has two fast WR's that can get a 10 yard buffer zone on a streak rout he suddenly is making the long passes look easy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd be tired of the dump-off argument as well if it weren't true. While anybody can pull up some NFL.com statistics and see he has "40 passes for 20+ yards", do a little more research and find out that he only had 17 plays total where the catch was made 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. His completion percentage for those plays was 36% with a yards per attempt of just 13 yards.

He also gained basically as many yards on those throws (615) as he did on plays that started from catches made behind the line of scrimmage (576).

The "dump off" argument originates in the fact that 85% of his completions and 69% of his attempts were directed at receivers behind or within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. It also originates in the fact that his completion percentage is 80% in that range and drops off to 47% beyond that.

The argument is also based on the fact that the major stats used to claim JC's "improvement" are increased yards and completion percentage, both of which (67% of yards and 84% of completions) are significantly inflated by short, "dump off" passes.

As for why JC gets compared to Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb? Well let's see, one's a perennial winner and the other we have to play twice a year. Or perhaps it's because that's the level of play we'd all love to see in a quarterback here in Washington. I guess we could make comparisons with Eli Manning and Tony Romo as well, but he would fare about as poorly. Instead, let's compare JC with Jamarcus Russell and David Garrard, because that's obviously the direction we want the Skins to take.

Posted by: CecIVC | March 10, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Nice follow up article. Great recovery from the post yesterday!

Posted by: krichardson7777 | March 10, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

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