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Draft picks from '08 are out to prove their worth

Starting flanker Devin Thomas often refers to them as "the second-rounders." That's his nickname for backup flanker Malcolm Kelly, starting tight end Fred Davis and himself -- all chosen in the second round of the 2008 draft.

They quickly became friends after the Redskins selected them and their bond strengthened as they struggled last season. Now, with the team having only four games remaining in a 3-9 season, the "second-rounders" feel somewhat vindicated.

Thomas is coming off a seven-reception, two-touchdown, 100-yard performance, Davis has emerged as a playmaker in the mid-range passing game and Kelly, who lost his starting spot to Thomas earlier in the season, has again displayed the ability to be a productive big target for quarterback Jason Campbell.

"We're stepping up and showing what we can do," Davis said. "It's not a surprise to us. We're just getting the opportunities now."

When the Redskins face the Oakland Raiders today at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum, Thomas, Davis and Kelly again will be featured prominently in the offense. They have shown significant progress in the second halves of their sophomore seasons and intend to finish strong.

Thomas, Davis and Kelly still have much to prove, but they believe they're getting there.

"It was like late in the year last year, we weren't winning and you had a lot of people saying, 'These guys, these rookies they drafted, can't play,' " Kelly said. "Now, these last few weeks, I think people are starting to see what we can do. When you go out there and make plays the way we have, people have to admit now, 'You know, maybe these guys can play a little.' I think that was one of the hardest parts for us last year.

"Just to have people saying maybe we would have been better if these rookies could play. There were a lot of people who were saying maybe these guys shouldn't even have been drafted. And they were saying it not even after a full season. I think we all approached it in our own way but we all knew we could play. Now, we're making plays and we're still not winning, which is tough. But we'll keep working on it."

Kelly's first season was ruined because of a knee problem the Redskins were aware of when they drafted him (he had microfracture surgery after the season). For Thomas and Davis, there actions stirred questions about their maturity and focus.

"Everybody wanted to talk about what the 'second-rounders' didn't do, but it's hard," he said. "I mean, we wanted to come in and make plays and just do our jobs and help the team. That's the main thing.

"We wanted to give the coaches that confidence to put us in more situations to try to help us win. That's what we're doing now and we plan to keep it going. We just want to be doing this and also win. It's like we just can't catch a break right now."

Prediction: they won't catch one today either. Raiders 27, Redskins 20.

The view from Oakland

Gary Peterson of the Oakland Tribune columnizes on the differences between Bruce Gradkowski and JaMarcus Russell:

"He's a tough guy, he's a fiery competitor," [Rich] Gannon said this past week, speaking of Gradkowski. "This is a team that's been starving for leadership, direction, toughness at that position. Now they've got a guy that gives them a little of that."
What's left unsaid is deafening: Russell is not that kind of personality. He's the guy calling plays in the form of a question. He's the guy who has no apparent urgency, who isn't in any hurry to hold himself accountable. If you've ever been around him, you can't help but wonder: Is this how he comes across in the huddle, as Captain Whatever?
In three weeks Gradkowski has done more team-building -- including having teammates over to his mom's house for dinner while the Raiders were in Pittsburgh -- than Russell has managed in three years. The difference couldn't be more striking.

By Jason Reid  |  December 13, 2009; 8:16 AM ET
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Draft picks from '08 are out to prove their worth


By Jason Reid | December 13, 2009; 8:16 AM ET

How about coaching picks from '08. What are they trying to prove?

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

First to say JR isnt on the bandwagon. Division sells

Posted by: scottmando | December 13, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Raiders 27, Redskins 20.

By Jason Reid | December 13, 2009; 8:16 AM ET

27 - 24 on the video, 27-20 on the blog. Left brain doesn't remember what the right brain is thinking? By the time of kickoff he'll be down to 27-23.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Today's redskin performance will be one of complete dominance.

31-14ish.

And then, all week, the folks who hated losing the saints game will complain about how beating the raiders cost us a top 5 draft spot.

Well, I guess you can't please everybody.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

First to say JR isnt on the bandwagon. Division sells

Posted by: scottmando | December 13, 2009 9:01 AM
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I second that. He's written more about the release of the kicker than he's written about the strong play of Ganther or Levi Jones. He's just looking for the dark cloud in the silver lining.

Here's the RSH prediction: Ganther rushes for over 100 yards, Carlos Rogers gets his first interception of the season, and the Redskins win this one 24-7.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 13, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how when your organization sucks from top to bottom that you chear for and make a big deal out of what most would consider average, ordinary production at the NFL level. Your team still sucks, you still keep losing games, yet there is all this false optimism...that is why you will continue to suck

Posted by: po403 | December 13, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"Thomas was among four players sent home Wednesday for arriving late to an 8 a.m. team meeting. Thomas spoke out about that punishment earlier this week and has been at odds with coach Bill Belichick at times this season." - NFL.com

Thomas was made inactive for today's game. Just an example of how a coach is supposed to manage his team. There is no "I" in team. No one player should put himself above the team. When a Carlos Rogers mouths off about the front office, it hurts team unity. When a Laron Landry says he's just going to keep doing what he has been doing, even though that is not working, that hurts team unity. When Clinton Portis sits out practice all week for some fictitious injury and then plays on Sunday, it hurts team unity. This is the thing that bugs me most of all about Zorn. I have heard some ask if he has lost the team, but he never really had it. If he cannot command discipline and respect, he just never had the team. I hope the next coach is a real disciplinarian kind of guy - a Bill Parcells or Bill Belechick clone. I am tired of this west coast group hug garbage.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 13, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Is it me, or is Reid obsessed with calling Thomas a flanker? I know what a flanker is because I played football in my youth. I think we all know what a flanker is because he uses it every time he talks about Thomas. For Pete's sake Reid, we all understand that you can differentiate between the different WR positions. Get over yourself already.

Posted by: BiggeeC | December 13, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Your team still sucks, you still keep losing games, yet there is all this false optimism...that is why you will continue to suck

Posted by: po403 | December 13, 2009 9:30 AM

The team will "continue to suck" because we're optimists? You will continue to be stupid because you're an idiot.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

why do Jason and Mike think the skins will score so many points? Two mediocre or bad teams will generate maybe 20 points. Back to playing like they did against St Louis, when a win (if they win) feels more like a loss. I hope I'm wrong. Maybe the more potent O lately will prove me wrong, but I just think it's back to playing down to our opponents' level.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

You make a good point. Does our offense continue to make strides or do we play down to our opponent?

Though the Raiders have been playing better as of late, that muddies the water a little bit. In a sense this is a good matchup--they play the pass well and we haven't demonstrated a consistent run game.

I'll be watching the wr-te-wr as well, but haven't we seen this thread before?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

hey J. Reid.... Go to hell!!!!!!!! go join your google eyed buddy j la. Can't stand ya. Don't care what ya say taterhead they went toe to toe with the best team in the league and should have won. after everything they've been through this year I'm proud of'em

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

1st Point

Why MUST we draft an O-lineman with our high first round pick? I am NOT saying that we don't need O-lineman,BUT it looks like we have some young, HUNGRY talent on this O-line who has started to gel.

Is it that you don't like these guys because they are not some big time name from an SEC or Big 12 school. I would add to this mix. Levi Jones has played well and so has Mike Williams. They come CHEAP too!

2nd Point

The Redskins HAVE to draft a QB! Yes, resign Campbell, but you have to have some youth to develop.


3rd Point

I don't think that we are that far off. Here's why:

a) We FINALLY have some YOUNG talent...not a team of Free Agents, or over the hill has beens...we just need to upgrade our speed on offense and I think we have something to build on.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The fiest step to concession by JReid.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 13, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

so how many of us are actually rooting for the redskins today and how many of us would rather see the raiders win to keep the high draft pick we have???

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

so how many of us are actually rooting for the redskins today and how many of us would rather see the raiders win to keep the high draft pick we have???

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Put me down as a fan who always roots for the Redskins to win, draft position be damned.

Go Skins!

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

skins930, i agree . As much as Id like to have a good draft pick, I cant find myself to root against the 'skins. It sucks that a win today is meaningless though.

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Ricky, there needs to be a change of culture in Redskins land where there has not been any top OL picked early on draft day in some time.

Levi is not a long term answer at LT and Heyer is just holding on. Although I like the young players that are stepping up, we need to continue that with top young OL procured through the draft.

The answer is not drafting a QB in the 1st round IMO. That just goes to show that the FO is not changing their ways and are not looking for long term success which a young talented OL can give you.

If the Skins had more draft picks, then it would be easier to justify getting a QB, but the five picks that they do have need to be used wisely.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Put me down as a fan who always roots for the Redskins to win, draft position be damned.

Go Skins!

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Damn Right! HAIL!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

heres a question for everyone. which team of the other three in our division would you most like to see miss the playoffs. now don't get me wrong, i believe there is a general consensus that we all hate dallas the most. however, Im from around the philly area and i CANT stand their fans whatsoever

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Winning or losing is unimportant to this team right now.
So root for a bunch of effective plays on both offense and defense, continue evaluating the fiesta trio, the new kicker, and the young DBs.
If we lose because of a couple of bizarre plays that you'll remember for years, including a replay call that still makes one shake one's head, then you get the benefit of preserving draft order. But that kind of thing never happens.

Posted by: daggar | December 13, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm already depressed and it's 5 hrs before kickoff.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Im sure with a win today we will all start to really wonder how close we should actually be in the playoff race at this point. In my mind, we should have won the last 3 weeks handsdown which would make us 6-6. Then earlier on this year we blew a 17-2 lead over a mediocre carolina team. We could easily be sitting at 7-5 right now in a tie with the giants and a game against the raiders today. sigh.

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

skins930

"...there needs to be a change of culture in Redskins land where there has not been any top OL picked early on draft day in some time."


Well, the team has picked more linemen recently (Dockery/Rhinehart) than running backs.

Betts and Cartwright are the last two drafted running backs to make the rosters, and they are on the wrong end of the NFL pirateship experience plank.

The team needs some speed and versitility in the backfield as much as it needs a couple of stout additions on the o-line.

All in all, the talent shortfalls are the end result of a philosophy that says, "Draft the best player availiable, damn your needs."

And like most philosophy, it's one that doesn't make sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

skins930

"...there needs to be a change of culture in Redskins land where there has not been any top OL picked early on draft day in some time."


Well, the team has picked more linemen recently (Dockery/Rhinehart) than running backs.

Betts and Cartwright are the last two drafted running backs to make the rosters, and they are on the wrong end of the NFL pirateship experience plank.

The team needs some speed and versitility in the backfield as much as it needs a couple of stout additions on the o-line.

All in all, the talent shortfalls are the end result of a philosophy that says, "Draft the best player availiable, damn your needs."

And like most philosophy, it's one that doesn't make sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I guess IT'S DOUBLE POST DAY!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I guess IT'S DOUBLE POST DAY!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I agree Levi Jones isn't a long term answer but I think he buys the skins a year or two to address a couple other issues. I don't neccessarily think Campbell has to go but I know he will. So I have to grit my teeth and hope they go with Colt McCoy, even though i know idiot Cerrato will talk Danny into going for the bust written all over him QB from ND Clausen because of his "ties" to ND

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I guess IT'S DOUBLE POST DAY!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2009 11:15 AM

That's a MistaMoe post for you. Anything worth reading, is worth reading twice. I can't even double post if I try.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What a weird pick, point wise. The Raiders have scored over 20 all season twice. Sure, once was last week at 27 but the other was game number 1. They average 11.8 points per game.

27? Really?

Posted by: OrganicWater | December 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

How can you even compare Eagles fans and Cowboys fans? Eagles fans are infuriating to even contemplate. They're in their own league of offensiveness.

Thanks Danny and Vinny for leaving us vulnerable with no offensive line and amateur football decision making.

Best player available? Way to go Kindergarden Ninja.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS 38 RAIDERS 10

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS 38 RAIDERS 10

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 11:32 AM

If that's your prediction, you need to change your screen name from zorn_sucks to cable_sucks. Or, if you're adamant, then they_both_suck.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

And then, all week, the folks who hated losing the saints game will complain about how beating the raiders cost us a top 5 draft spot.

Well, I guess you can't please everybody.

Posted by: MistaMoe

I don't get the fans that want a higher draft pick. If we still have the same FO, they coould have the first 10 picks in the draft and still screw it up.

As for those fans saying Zorn has lost the team, or never had them, I simply don't agree. Snyder won't allow a coach to be a strict disciplinarian IMO. That will be the hindrance to hiring a top tier coach.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

why would a prediction of 38 to 10 over the raiders mean that i have to change my name from zorn sucks? If you remember correctly we have been playing extremely better since he was stripped of the playcalling duties and he still messes it up for us in the redzone. so i dont see how a blowout of the raiders means that zorn doesn't suck anymore?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok...I get the argument that we have more pressing needs than QB, but what's your answer for a backup?

What have we seen in Levi Jones to say he's not the long term answer? We invested all that time into Stephon Heyer and now he's no better than a rookie OT?

I'm not buying it. YES, we do need O-lineman, but as fans we fall into the same trap as the FO...

Are we saying that there's no way possible that an undrafted FA and a reclamation project in Williams can't be starters???

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who roots for the Skins to lose under any circumstances is not my friend and do not ask me anything.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

My prediction: Skins 30 Raiders 10

I always root for my Redskins to win, to hell with the draft order. (You play the game to win!)

I hope Gather, Thomas, Kelley, and Davis have good games today, and on defense the young DB's should see lots of action with Hall out. (Can we not bite on any double moves today?)

Here's my question: Is it pretty much a given that Vinny Cerrato will be back next year, since he and little Danny our going on scouting trips together?

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Casserly is on NFL Today...

says Portis reminds him of Edgerrin James and Sean Alexander at this point in their careers.

Translation.....

"HE'S DONE"!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Casserly is on NFL Today...

says Portis reminds him of Edgerrin James and Sean Alexander at this point in their careers.

Translation.....

"HE'S DONE"!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 12:20 PM

Shaun Alexander = Soft

Portis may be done but he's anything but soft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Vinny just got an award for excellence....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVYjRbZMe0

Posted by: Realness1 | December 13, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Tryon should be mentioned in this article, hes looking good in the slot. leigh torrance be d*mned!!

we need to draft oline in the 1st and 2nd but mike williams is the truth at RG, he'll earn the spot next year in these remaining games.

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 13, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Soup wins 35% of his nearly 50 starts. He's due for an acorn pie vs. the Raiders and/or Dallas in '09 perhaps?

Posted by: Realness1 | December 13, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Vegas Line Skins +1 O/U 37.5

Redskins 26 Raiders 14

Headlines
Gano hits 4 FGs
Campbell 250 yds 2 TDs 0 Ints
Thomas & Kelly 1 TD each
Gainther 80 yds

Gradkowski 2 Ints 1 fumble

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are predicting a Redskins victory.

Such an outcome is indeed plausible. It will, however, not come to pass (no pun intended) in my most humble opinion.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Raiders 17 Redskins 14

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr. League Source,

Would you like to discuss politics in the hours before kickoff?

You are in need of some schooling, boy.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

And Mr. League, I won't show any quarter towards you.

No allowances will be made for the fact you are a flatulent slob.

While you are chewing on your Big Mac, waving your stinky pinky in the air, I will be outside in the fresh German air getting some vigorous exercise in.

Then I will return to my computer and "open a can of sloppy joe" on you.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Things I like to see on offense this week.

!. Keep taking shots down field. I think the skins took 4 shots last week and were 3 for 4 w/ 1 pass interference.

2. Better execution in the final two minuets of the halves.

3. Play for TDs in the red zone at all times. If need be use conservative passing plays (shuttles, screens, roll outs)

4. Gano perfect on FG tries.

5. Ganther /Rock/Mason combine for 125 yards on the ground.

6. Second round triplets continued production on the field.

7. JC having continued improvement at the QB position.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

People shouldn't get all weepy over how fantastic the Redskins '08 2nd rounders are. Devin Thomas has had a good game now - almost two full years into his career. Fred Davis maybe two real nice games to go with all his fumbles. Kelly a few good CATCHES. There's TEN second year WR's who have more catches than DT so far this year. All of whom the Skins could have picked except for Donnie Avery. And there's THIRTEEN rookie WR's this year who've done more.

There's THREE second year TE's who've done more than Davis. Including John Carlson who had 55 catches and 5 td's in his rookie year and Dusitn Keller who had 48 catches and 3 td's his rookie year.

On a miserable losing team I get that we look for victories wherever we can find them - but seriously none of these three players has made ANY significant impact almost two full years in.

People can rationalize anyway they want - especially Vinny, and say they did a great job in the '08 draft. The Skins had 10 picks and got:

Thomas, Davis, Kelly, Rheinhart, Tryon, Moore, Brooks, Brennan, Jackson, and Horton. The fact is that the ONLY player that has had a big impact SO FAR has been Chris Horton. Look at winning teams and see how many great contributors they would have gotten with all these picks.

Everybody knows the Ravens draft well - look who they got in '08:
Flacco, Ray Rice, Tavaris Gooden (starting ILB), Jared Gaither their LT (in the supplemental draft from the previous year with their '08 5th round pick), and three backups and ST players. So the Ravens had the same number of picks as the Skins and got FOUR players who have done way MORE than any Skins pick except Horton.

Posted by: thinker11 | December 13, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Thinker...

Davis,Thomas, and Kelly DID NOT play last year. Zorn convinced us that they were not ready and didn't know the offense, while we blew a 6-2 start.

This is why Zorn should be fired.


Also...it's not that they are stars, but they are contributing which is all you ask them to do in a 3-9 season.

They would still be on the bench had it not been for injuries.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

thinker11 thanks for restating the oblivious. The point is that when given the opportunity to start these players are playing as well as the other players they have replaced. DT has been a more effective complement to Moss than ARE has been(opponents have rolled coverage DT's way on occasion). Davis, while not yet to Cooley's production in rout running, has effectively been a key player in the improved 3rd down and red zone performances over the last month. There is nothing wrong for fans to acknowledge these accomplishments and to recognize that if they continue to improve and produce, going forward it bodes well for the redskins.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Wir haben kein Kreiglustiger Afrikanishen Affe als President.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 11, 2009 5:02 PM |

Hey, Rotfrau – Google translator says this means “We don’t have a war-loving African monkey as President.” Is this correct?

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Since my question was flat out ignored, mayhap I'll try again:

Since Danny and Vinny are going scouting together, is that a sign that Vinny will still be around next year?

I feel as long as this dynamic duo keep doing what they're doing, our beloved franchise will still continue to swirl in the toilet bowl of mediocrity or in the case of this season, worst.

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Stands to reason a lazy slob like yourself would find Google translator to be of great value.

Your President is propagating a war in Afghanistan, is he not?

Your President is African American, is he not?

Now, look at a picture of Curious George, close yours, and then google an image of Obama.

Am I wrong to point out the obvious?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

72Redskins I think it does. I've read several times that if Shanahan becomes the next HC (and most people think he will be), Shanahan will be willing to have Vinny involved in some way with the skins. Now is it a prominent roll in player acquisition, we'll see.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 13, 2009 1:43 PM

Yes, all signs are pointing towards Vinny returning.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Since Danny and Vinny are going scouting together, is that a sign that Vinny will still be around next year?

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 13, 2009 1:43 PM |

Only thing I'd infer is that Vinny hasn't been fired yet. I think it's still too early to know what will happen to Vinny in four weeks. Dan through him under the bus once for Marty and may do so again if that's what it takes to get the coach he wants.

My own hunch, or maybe "hope", is that Vinny will be involved in personnel next year but won't have as much control as he did this year. If the guys he drafted continue to improve, why would you want him gone as a talent evaluator? You just want someone else to say "No, Vinnie, we're not picking your best player. We're picking your best OT. Who is it?"

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Am I wrong to point out the obvious?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:46 PM

You're a racist Nazi, Rotfrau.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Rotfrau Farbissina-

Sie sind ein Nazi homosexuellen und Sie sind nur leicht amüsant. Sie können so den ganzen Tag, aber du bist beweisen alle mit deinen Bigotterie.

League-

"You're a racist Nazi, Rotfrau."

Pretty sure racism is one of the cornerstones of being a Nazi.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure racism is one of the cornerstones of being a Nazi.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:01 PM

You're right. Do you think I'm overly redundant?

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What do ya'll think of Tony Pike in the second rd.? He's the QB from Cinn. Pretty good numbers and we could pick him up in the second rd. Any thoughts?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 13, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

It's like calling someone a scared coward.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

shanteefamileeit Pike's a good player and a viable option in the second rd. However, it depends on what offense the new HC is going to run. It'll also depend on what happens with JC this offseason. My preference in draft needs are OL, DL, speed RB, FS before QB. I'd feel much better coming out OT/OG instead of OT/QB in the first two rounds.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 13, 2009 2:11 PM

I'm not a fan, especially in Rd. 2
- QBs from spread offenses rarely have success in the NFL
- 6'6" but he's a toothpick
- way below average arm strength
- no mobilty, he woudn't last a full game behind our OL

I'd look at these guys much later in the draft
Dan LeFevour SR 6-3/230/- Central Michigan
Zac Robinson SR 6-3/205/- Oklahoma State
John Skelton SR 6-5/256/- Fordham
Sean Canfield SR 6-4/214/- Oregon State
Max Hall SR 6-1/201/- BYU

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I love the way the Bengals DB's are tackling. None of the whiffs or shoulder tackles ala Hall and LL, just solid wrapping up.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 13, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

John Skelton SR 6-5/256/- Fordham
Sean Canfield SR 6-4/214/- Oregon State

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:34 PM

I'm really intrigued by these two players. I think Canfield in 4th rd would be a really good get.

This draft is going to be really interesting I think. With being spread over 4 days, and with the anticipated influx of underclassmen, I think there will be more trades as team jostle to get into position for players in the middle rounds.

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love to hate fantasy football.

I'm getting killed by Andre Johnson and Ray Rice, they've combined for 50+ points in the 1st half.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I found a $20 bill in the parking lot of Dunkin Donuts this morning. I am taking it as an omen that the Redskins will win by 20.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

How about coaching picks from '08. What are they trying to prove?

Posted by: League-Source

An optimist harks back to what Zonr said about his beloved WCO. It takes til the end of the second years for teams to "get it."

24 pts 30 pts.... Hmmm. Lessee how they get it today.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I found a $20 bill in the parking lot of Dunkin Donuts this morning. I am taking it as an omen that the Redskins will win by 20.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2009 2:44 PM

Nice find. I was wondering where I lost that $20. I can prove it was mine. Had a picture of Andrew Jackson, right? This is an omen that the Redskins will lose by 20.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Inactives:
Hall, Haynie, Sellers, Bowen, Fanaika, Batiste, Bartell, & Wynn

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Rotfrau

Don't get so self righteous. Unfortunately almost all civilized countries are facing hard times and have made some drastic financial mistakes. These two articles talk about how Germany is struggling financially and how they screwed up a one time successful health care system. So please take your hypocritical rhetorical a$$ back outside and get some more exercise to clear that biased mind.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703746604574461573950211460.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/world/europe/26iht-germany.html

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | December 13, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if this topic was already covered earlier, but on the CBS pregame show they said the Steelers are looking for a GM because A) Word is that after 3 years Cowher is ready to coach again next year and B) if he does, the current Pitt GM - Kevin Colbert - will go wherever Bill goes.

If all that's true, is anyone here still interested in the The Chin as HC?

I think I would be, if it means the Skins finally get a legitimate GM.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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