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Gradkowski gives Raiders a little life

The Oakland Raiders are coming off a 27-24 road victory last week over the defending Super Bowl-champion Pittsburgh Steelers, who are in a spiral after losing their fifth straight game Thursday night to Cleveland.

Against Pittsburgh, Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski passed for a career-high 308 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions. He had a 121.8 passer rating, and commanded the Redskins' attention. The Raiders have gone 2-1 since Gradkowski replaced JaMarcus Russell.

"He is very good," secondary coach Jerry Gray said. "You know, we played him a couple of years ago in Tampa and he scrambled around, making a lot of plays. It looks like he is not afraid to throw into coverage because on the last series against Pittsburgh, I mean, he threw the ball into some tight coverage.

"Almost made a mistake where one of the guys dropped an interception, but next thing you know, he came back and threw the touchdown pass. When he can stay alive and move his feet he creates a lot of danger for you on defense."

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By Jason Reid  |  December 11, 2009; 7:26 AM ET
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Comments

Morning world.

Steelers = Tanked

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

We can make some very ordinary QBs look like they have a clue.

Posted by: daggar | December 11, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Fire Mike Tomlin!!!!!


Ooooooopppppsss!!!!


Wrong blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers o_line is worse then ours and thats pretty bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray says with visions of interceptions in his head, ...I mean, he threw the ball into some tight coverage." Let's hope Tryon and Barnes have stickier hands than Carlos Rogers...

Actually, a QB like Gradkowski is the kind of QB that you don't blitz - you contain. You drop your defensive backs into zone coverage and let him make the first mistake. You'll get some coverage sacks and you should get some picks. I think Pittsburgh went all blitz-ey on them and paid the price.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse


The Steelers o_line is worse then ours and thats pretty bad.

Posted by: Flounder21


And yet they had a point during the season where they were stringing together quality wins.

All the Redskins have done is string along the fans.

'09 Redskins ≠ '09 Steelers

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"The Steelers o_line is worse then ours and that's pretty bad."


This makes you wonder what they'll do come draft time.

Do you think they'd want to trade with us to move up to snag Okung?

(Please remember that it will be a cold day in Hell before Vinny takes a lineman with a Top 10 pick.)

Maybe we move down, snag another guy, and get a lower round pick out of the move?

Would it be worth doing?

I wonder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Steelers suck.

That is all...

Posted by: mattylight | December 11, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

gotta pressure gradkowski, RSH, some of the completions he had vs. Pitt were just simply heaves, in which the WR went and got it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Rolling back a few articles...

I am of the opinion that getting rid of Marty Schottenheimer was the dumbest thing that Dan Snyder has done since he took over the Redskins. How refreshing it is to hear a coach just tell it like it is in plain English. Too bad Marty didn't offer up any commentary on Zorn...

I am of the opinion that the Redskins should have signed a tight end this week and put him on the active roster. With Sellers out and Cooley on IR, they are looking pretty thin at fullback and tightend - positions that they seem to use interchangeably. I am saying this limits their game planning, and what happens if Todd Yoder or Fred Davis gets hurt on Sunday? Maybe we'll see six or seven man offensive lines - or the run-n-shoot?

It is my opinion that this will be a world of injustice until London Fletcher gets into the Pro-Bowl.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

What were the odds of Pitt missing playoffs at 6-2 w games against KC, Oak and Clev? 300-1?

Go Brownies - just get one or two more wins for us!

The good news is, KC plays Cleveland next week, so at either KC will have 4 or Clev will have 3 wins!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"I am of the opinion that getting rid of Marty Schottenheimer was the dumbest thing that Dan Snyder has done since he took over the Redskins."

(INSERT applause audio and images of bloggas standing and clapping to shouts of "Damn Right!!!" and "Go 'head, bro', tell the truth!!!")

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

moe, work up to 24 degrees, have I told you lately how much I hope your kids run over your tv-remote with the lawnmower...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The good news is, KC plays Cleveland next week, so at either KC will have 4 or Clev will have 3 wins!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse


We want Cleveland to win that one. We're already ahead of KC by virtue of their victory over us. If we finish with the same record as Cleveland, we would move ahead of them because they have a divisional win. Also, we need Detroit to win one more. We could potentially pick #3!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 11, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

bean

"....work up to 24 degrees, have I told you lately how much I hope your kids run over your tv-remote with the lawnmower..."

You're funny.

It's 72 degrees here.

And I do mow the lawn on Fridays after work.

Then I'm in flip-flops at the grill.

I grew up in Central Pa., so I know what the cold is like.

But I don't miss it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

We want Cleveland to win that one. We're already ahead of KC by virtue of their victory over us. If we finish with the same record as Cleveland, we would move ahead of them because they have a divisional win. Also, we need Detroit to win one more. We could potentially pick #3!

Posted by: Original_etrod

I think we want KC to win, because we're going to win at least one more game imo. So we'll be behind the Browns, but we'll only be ahead of KC if they win too.

Posted by: REXskins | December 11, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Vinny = the hypnotoad from Futurama. Clausen is a dumb loser, McCoy is a spread system guy that wins w/ overwhelming talent on his team, same w/ Bradford who will never be the same after the throwing shoulder injury. If the stud OL isn't there, then trade down address it. Hopefully pick up Pike or Locker if he comes out; late first early second along w/ a back.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 11, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Slow morning up here…..just reading around…..Tony Homo is claiming that the December’s of Dallas’ past have no bearing on this December. If you have any friends who are Dallas fans you can throw this at them:

So far the division leading Cowboys have beaten ONE team with a winning record that looks to be playoff bound (Eagles)…..one team; HA!

Their remaining schedule is against San Diego (9-3, playoff bound), New Orleans (undefeated, playoff bound), Skins (who knows?), and Eagles (8-4, fighting for division title). At least we should be able to enjoy watching them crumble in December again……man I hope we beat them at FED EX!

F Dallas!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey Steeler fans,

You thought your team was playoff material and then you lost a bunch of atrocious games - and not just any losses, but losses to some of the NFL's worst teams.

Welcome to Redskins hell...

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

On that note, I think a good poll would be "how many games will the redskins win for the rest of the season".

I say 2 wins out of the next 3 games, don't think we can beat the chargers.

Posted by: REXskins | December 11, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Big Ben failed to lead his team down the field for a game winning drive, with the playoffs on the line! Had it not been for a defenders cold hands, his final throw wouldve been a pick. Boohoo.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 11, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

We want Cleveland to win that one. We're already ahead of KC by virtue of their victory over us. If we finish with the same record as Cleveland, we would move ahead of them because they have a divisional win. Also, we need Detroit to win one more. We could potentially pick #3!

Posted by: Original_etrod

Etrod - head to head matchups don't matter in draft order. Ties are broken by strength of schedule (easiest schedule goes first).

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

It's 72 degrees here.

may your cable go out, at 3:59 on Sunday, and not come back on until 7:00

and may you in a drunken stupid claim tiger's got nothing on you, in front of your wife......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse


The Steelers looked amazingly Redskinseque.

-couldn't convert 3rd downs
-poor Oline play
-questionable play-calling (why did they keep going spread shotgun against one of the league's worst run defenses in cold weather w/ winds gusting at 25mph?)
-stalling out around the red zone and settling for FGs
-potentially game tying drive ends in a 4 and out

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers have completely fallen off a cliff. They've lost 5 straight, including losses to KC, Oakland and Cleveland, 3 of the bottom feeders. I never thought I'd be saying this, but if the Skins were playing the Steelers this week, they'd win easily. I have the Skins beating Oakland in a tight one in the battle for draft position...

Posted by: randysbailin | December 11, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Riiight okay so let the comparisons start with the Washington Redskins and Pittsburgh Steelers, a team who just won it all last year, a team who still has three more wins than Washington in a down year, a team with better front office stability, a team with better player personnel strategy...

I could go on but I'm sure you guys get the point.

Lets not even pretend the Steelers and the Redskins are in the same league, they aren't.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Steelers o_line is worse then ours and thats pretty bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 7:56 AM

And I can remember when there were dudes up here saying "We should raid the Steelers practice squad for O Linemen."

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Chill Red,

We know we aren't in the same sentence w/ the Steelers.

It's just that when you suck as bad as we do, you start going "crab" on other teams and find people to pull down to your low stinking level to commiserate with...

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers looked amazingly Redskinseque.

-couldn't convert 3rd downs
-poor Oline play
-questionable play-calling (why did they keep going spread shotgun against one of the league's worst run defenses in cold weather w/ winds gusting at 25mph?)
-stalling out around the red zone and settling for FGs
-potentially game tying drive ends in a 4 and out

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:19 AM

A couple of years ago the same thing happened to the Steelers. They tried to ride Big Ben's arm and couldn't flow offensively. They need to get back to a run based team.

As for the skins this weekend, I think they'll struggle defensively. With AH out, the Raiders have the running backs that can hurt the skins between the tackles. Once that happens LL and CR will become undisciplined in their assignments and bit on playaction. Offensively, I think Davis and the slot WR will have a good game. Hopefully, Ganther will bring better balance in the run game.

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Chill Red,

We know we aren't in the same sentence w/ the Steelers.

It's just that when you suck as bad as we do, you start going "crab" on other teams and find people to pull down to your low stinking level to commiserate with...

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:43 AM


And steelers fans are so stinkin smug it's fun to see them drop....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Offensive line:

If anyone is wondering what's wrong with this line let me explain. Our tackles suck. We are 26th in sacks and we are around 22nd when running to the end or between the tackles and guard. This implies that our tackles can not run block or pass block. We were having issues on the interior line but with BMW at right guard the biggest issue is resovled for now. We need depth though. BMW gets hurt and it's back to JC running for his life.

Levi Jones:

Granted Levi has been playing well lately but in all fairness he hasn't played a full seasone since 2004. A competent front office would never expect a guy like that to make it through a full season. He should be signed and considered the starter until he gets hurt. Hopefully he last 6-8 games and out first round left tackle will have some NFL experience at right tackle before being thrusted into left tackle.

Stephon Heyer:

Heyer looks ok now because the teams we've been playing aren't very good at pass rushing on the weak side. Heyer will look like crap again when we face Dallas and New York. He cannot pass block that well and is pretty useless in the run game.

Casey Rabach: Rabach gets pushed back too much in pass protection. We should allow Edwin Williams the oppurtunity to show what he can do in pass protection in the center position. If he is adequate then we should promote him to starter and allow Rabach to leave in free agency. We will need a backup center and may have to draft one. This is an area of concern and an area that I think we may have to go with what we got for next year(Will Montgomery) and address it in 2011.

Verdict: We need 2 new starting tackles, a backup center, and a backup guard. We need a new left tackle and should take the best available in the first round(Okung, Campbell, or Bulaga). Then we should take the best available right tackle in the second round(Davis, Williams, or Black). If we get the correct tackles we will have a great pass blocking and run blocking unit. After we get two tackles we should also look at taking a guard in the 4th. Their are 2 big angry men that may be available if we wish to play smash mouth football. These guys are Sergio Render and John Jerry. Matt Tennant is a center prospect from Boston College that looks promising. He may be available in the 4th. He would be a good pickup for depth. We could also look at taking a lower tier athletic tackle and think about using him as a pulling guard(landholt from PSU comes to mind). He should be available late.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 11, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Lets not even pretend the Steelers and the Redskins are in the same league, they aren't.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 9:40 AM

Good point. The Steelers are in the National Football League. The Redskins are in the Other Football League.

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"...and may you in a drunken stupid claim tiger's got nothing on you, in front of your wife..."

mrsmoe says Tiger 'Hood has about a billion things on me.

She's just waiting for her turn to tell on Tiger.

You see, she's taken a look at the racial composition of the mostly blonde women Tiger's fooled around with and realized she has a chance to integrate his bedroom.

"They'll have a day for me in Black History Month," she said while prepping her knee pads.

"And if I'm lucky, I'll be on a stamp."

"'Cuz if Tiger and his money is involved, I plan on getting licked."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

We need 2 new starting tackles

amen bro....amen...1st and 2nd round picks on OL...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

PA,

We know.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

And steelers fans are so stinkin smug it's fun to see them drop....

Posted by: dlhaze1


Please, I can tolerate Steeler fans way more than Cowboys or Eagles fans.

And I'm pretty sure fans of other teams were saying the same about 'Skins fans in the '80s...

*Sigh*

The friggin' '80s....

*SIGH*

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

And steelers fans are so stinkin smug it's fun to see them drop....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse


Too true.

I know a bunch of Steelers fans, and I've recently been getting a kick out mentioning how much our 2 teams are alike, and they get reeeaaalll ticked off.

It's funny b/c when you talk about losing w/ a Skins fan, you just sort of get a shrug of the shoulders and "yeah". But when you start talking about the losing w/ a Steeler fan they react like you're talking cheap about their dead mama.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

And steelers fans are so stinkin smug it's fun to see them drop....

add Pats fans to that list...given the way this season is going down for them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Could someone just tell me which teams' fans are really a great group? And don't bring up the fans of some Canadian Curling Club.

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"'Cuz if Tiger and his money is involved, I plan on getting licked."

History in the making?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 11, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

And steelers fans are so stinkin smug it's fun to see them drop....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

a steelers fan friend of mine predicted an undefeated season at the beginning of the year. I got Cleo mcdowell on him and said "stay off the drugs". Then he said worst case 13-3. At 2-2 I reminded him of his prediction and he went off on a diatribe about how I always think I'm right and wouldn't speak for a month. Now they're sitting at 6-7. Classic.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 11, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Please, I can tolerate Steeler fans way more than Cowboys or Eagles fans.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse


The thing w/ Cowpie and Eagles fans is that it's really easy to shut them down.

Just remind a Cowpie fan that their teams hasn't been a relevant contender in the NFL for a dozen years and that the Skins ahve more playoff wins over that period than they do.

Just ask an Eagles fan how many Superbowls their team has won...ever.

Conversation over.

Problem w/ Steelers is that they have truly been kicking tail consistently for some time. Can't say nothing to that.

At least you can remind Pats fans that Belichik is a big fat stinking cheater...


Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

LS- Packers fans have a pretty good rep. I actually know one...she's cool.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Could someone just tell me which teams' fans are really a great group? And don't bring up the fans of some Canadian Curling Club.

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Packers fans are pretty cool. I don't think I've heard anything but good stories about them. I would assume that teams from the midwest would have better fans simply because midwesterners are freindlier. Offer not valid in Chicago....

Lions fans would have to be considered good just for loyalty alone. I mean they made it through the Matt Millen era.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 11, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"And steelers fans are so stinkin smug it's fun to see them drop....add Pats fans to that list"


But with 9 championship titles between them, some of them won recently, don't they have a right to be smug?

The folks who need to shut up are down in Dallas.

That team gets more media attention than it deserves.

It's stars are all ESPN created and NFL Network pimped.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

PA,

We know.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

seriously, but he has to post his daily thesis for an all oline draft.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Could someone just tell me which teams' fans are really a great group? And don't bring up the fans of some Canadian Curling Club.

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse


Except a couple nincompoops you run across here from time to time, I like Skins fans!

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Could someone just tell me which teams' fans are really a great group? And don't bring up the fans of some Canadian Curling Club.

Posted by: League-Source


Buffalo fans.

When discussing football with one of them they have no choice but to be humble.

Their greatest achievement was the comeback win against the Oilers. They were beaten decisively in 3 of their 4 super bowl appearances.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

how many dropped interceptions for the redskins is the forecast calling for this week?

Posted by: goose33 | December 11, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Can Dungy be in play?


Dungy says he was contacted Thursday about an NFL job
Posted by Mike Florio on December 11, 2009 9:45 AM ET
After the regular season ends on January 4, the coaching carousel will more closely resemble a Slap Chop.

And teams already are lining up candidates to fill the coming collection of vacancies.

Former Bucs and Colts coach Tony Dungy said earlier today on The Dan Patrick Show that he was contacted Thursday by an NFL team about a job.

The disclosure came in response to a question from Dan regarding the most recent occasion on which Dungy had been contacted about a coaching or G.M. position.

(Dungy also said he wasn't "directly" contacted by Notre Dame. Which likely means that he "indirectly" was.)

The Bills currently are looking for a new head coach. The Seahawks have reportedly hired a search firm in connection with efforts to replace G.M. Tim Ruskell.

Dungy consistently has said that he will not be returning to coaching. But even though he is by all appearances a man of his word, the fact that he spent so many years in a profession characterized by statements like "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach" surely won't keep folks from continuing to ask Dungy if he wants to come back.

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I mean they made it through the Matt Millen era.

I wonder if Lions fans will say this about the Redskins, once VC is gone??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

But with 9 championship titles between them, some of them won recently, don't they have a right to be smug?

The folks who need to shut up are down in Dallas.

That team gets more media attention than it deserves.

It's stars are all ESPN created and NFL Network pimped.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse


Add to that the fact that these bonehead network execs seem to think that the viewing American public wants to see ex-Cowboys splashed all over the TV to do commentary, analysis and/or play-by-play.


Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Dungy consistently has said that he will not be returning to coaching. But even though he is by all appearances a man of his word, the fact that he spent so many years in a profession characterized by statements like "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach" surely won't keep folks from continuing to ask Dungy if he wants to come back.

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse


Wow.

Lumping a truly good guy like Dungy in with a slimy eel like Nick Saban is a pretty low blow.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Almost made a mistake where one of the guys dropped an interception, but next thing you know, he came back and threw the touchdown pass. -- Jerry Gray


Well, we shouldn't have to worry about any of our guys dropping interceptions. Bwahahahaha!

Posted by: fzone | December 11, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Can Dungy be in play?"

A Dungy hire would make Vinny and Danny out to be like the addicts who've had their moment of clarity.

They'd have to give up control, hire a GM, and function like a traditional NFL team, and not two racquetball playing friends hooked on Fantasy Football.

It would also return the team to the serious side of NFL media discussion.

In a league of men, Dungy is a gentle man whose word is bond.

All of these issues are positives.

Hire Dungy.

Now.

Even if he won't take the job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Swearing ceremony for the new Redskins GM:

-I solemnly swear to draft no less than two players every draft weighing over 310 pounds.

-I solemnly swear to draft no less than one player that can run the 40 in less than 4.3 seconds.

-I solemnly swear to leave Dan Snyder at home when scouting players.

-I solemnly swear to be respectful to the boss, but when he makes some really lame suggestion like signing a player for half of the cap space I will kindly tell him that marketing people do the marketing thing and football people do the football thing and never the two shall exchange duties.

-I solemnly swear to be sure a head coach knows both the team colors and how to hold his players accountable.

-I solemnly swear that experience means something in this league and that I will never try to put a position coach in a head coaching position.

-I solemnly swear that any player who speaks to the media in a way that is "detrimental to the team", then said player will ride the pine or hit the exit.

-I solemnly swear to never, ever lose to Dallas again.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

-I solemnly swear to leave Dan Snyder at home when scouting players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse


I've got to say that the most depressing news of the season for me so far was hearing about Danny and Vinny traveling together to scout Colt McCoy.

Ever since we were 2-2, my single solitary hope for the season was that we could get Vinny fired.

But how seriously is Danny thinking about canning Vinny if he's spending the time and resources to go scouting QBs with him?


Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Where are all my friends and neighbors who professed to be Pittsburgh Steelers' fans during the playoffs last year?

Echo. Echo. Echo. Phonies.

Go Redskins (except Cerrato.)


Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 11, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

how many dropped interceptions for the redskins is the forecast calling for this week?

Posted by: goose33 | December 11, 2009 10:05 AM

Try to keep up, goose. Dropped interceptions are so first-half-of-the-season. Now it's about double moves.

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"...bonehead network execs seem to think that the viewing American public wants to see ex-Cowboys splashed all over the TV to do commentary..."

In the book 1984, people get two minutes a day to hate on anything the government shows on television.

Express your Two Minutes of Hate about the following:


Michael Irvin

Dion Sanders

Troy Aikman

Emmitt Smith

Jimmy Johnson

Darryl Johnston

Jerry Jones


Remember the WaPo rules:

"... comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site."

Have at it!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Ever since we were 2-2, my single solitary hope for the season was that we could get Vinny fired.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 10:40 AM

When you hear Joey T, Sonny J, Doc Walker suggesting the possibility of a Redskins FO w/o Vinny, I felt it was a done deal. Now, with the recent news I'm thinking we'll have more of the same from those two boneheads.

Posted by: TWISI | December 11, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Lions fans will say this about the Redskins, once VC is gone??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 10:08 AM

How many of them will live long enough to see that day? Detroit is being emptied and as the old Lion fans die off, I can't imagine that they've added any new ones recently. "We have a football team here? Oh. What are they called? The Packers?"

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Where are all my friends and neighbors who professed to be Pittsburgh Steelers' fans during the playoffs last year?
Echo. Echo. Echo. Phonies.
Go Redskins (except Cerrato.)

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 11, 2009 10:44 AM

I don’t really know any bandwagon steelers fans; everyone I know that is a steeler fan is loyal to a fault…..it’s just that they are sooo obnoxious. Philly fans are DEFINITELY frontrunners unless you are talking about Flyers fans (they are actually very loyal). Dallas fans run the gambit…I think with them it’s just that a lot of them aren’t really NFL fans and only root for Dallas when things are going good, and they don’t know much else about other teams. Just MHO though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

twis, yeah, seems like the writing is on the wall....sigh, there seemed to be such hope, things were crumbling, and the end result of that crumble seemed like it would lead to his firing....not so much anymore.....

moe, the only 2 I got issues with are Irvin, and Sanders. Irvin, because he's a coke snorting idiot who got into the HOF ahead of Monk, and Sanders because he's just an idiot.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Michael Irvin -

I don't know how this coke-sniffer got into the HOF ahead of a truly great stand-up receiver like Art Monk. As a player he invented offensive pass-interference. As a blow-hard commentator he couldn't even hack it on ESPN. He has 3 schticks that he repeats again and again:
-Schtick 1 - Be a shameless homer for the Cowgirls
-Schtick 2 - Be a shameless homer for the "U"
-Schtick 3 - Run to the defense of malignant NFL tumors like T.O and Pacman.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Twis,

Just because they went to a Texas game together while they were in Dallas, does not mean Vinny will still be here.

JR likes to make a big deal out of those types of stories, because he knows it brings out all the haters.

He needs more post to validate his job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

From Matt Mosley's blog on ESPN.com

"In case you hadn't heard, Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato was the recruiting coordinator at Notre Dame for Lou Holtz in the late 80s. He's very proud of his Notre Dame ties, so it was no surprise that he and Dan Snyder were scouting quarterback Jimmy Clausen this season.

But it is a bit of a surprise that Cerrato will invite Clausen to be on his ESPN 980 show, "Inside the Red Zone" this morning. Most personnel gurus around the league wouldn't want to tip their hand when it comes to scouting a player -- especially this early. It's no secret, though, that the Skins are interested in a new franchise quarterback.

We'll try to track down the audio for you guys."

Is VC the worst poker player in the world? Although it seems really early to be playin the draft bluff game common sense would be to keep your interest or lack thereof secret.

Posted by: skinswest | December 11, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

twis, yeah, seems like the writing is on the wall....sigh, there seemed to be such hope, things were crumbling, and the end result of that crumble seemed like it would lead to his firing....not so much anymore.....

moe, the only 2 I got issues with are Irvin, and Sanders. Irvin, because he's a coke snorting idiot who got into the HOF ahead of Monk, and Sanders because he's just an idiot.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 10:54 AM
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Still holding out hope that if Vinny doesn't get the axe outright he will at least be removed from his current job. Snyder is supposed to be a smart guy, right? Can't he see that this guy doesn't know what he's doing?

Bean,
I'm with you but I add Johnston as annoying, too. I know he cannot help it since he played with the Cowboys, but you would think this guy could be a little more objective when calling a Redskins game. Am I the only one that sees how much Johnston looks to find fault in what the Redskins do?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Dion Sanders -

When he coined the term "Tip-Toe Burglar" for SHaun Alexander, he was sub-conciously about his own stint as a Redskin. He is the poster-boy for self-centered, egotistical, me-first athletes. As a commentator he's more concerned about gawdy outfits than interesting analysis. They should just dress him up with a rainbow wig and a red nose and let him make balloon animals on the NFL Network b/c he's a CLOWN.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Any team with a high draft pick will be scouting all the top players, even if they don't plan on drafting them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Troy Aikman -

My favorite memory of Troy Aikman was watching LaVar knock him into retirement. His head must still be foggy from that hit, because he's constantly sporting a stupid blank stare standing next to Joe Buck. His uninteresting stuttering monotone analysis makes me snooze off during games, and I think whoever decided to let him be a color commentator needs to look up the definition of "color commentary".

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mopp04 | December 11, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

We want Cleveland to win that one. We're already ahead of KC by virtue of their victory over us. If we finish with the same record as Cleveland, we would move ahead of them because they have a divisional win. Also, we need Detroit to win one more. We could potentially pick #3!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 11, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Careful what you wish for. If we pick third, SNYDER will go for a q-back, no question. At five, we might have a chance at OKUNG, and BERRY for sure. In any event, we should go for CIRON BLACK with our second rounder.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 11, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Is VC the worst poker player in the world? Although it seems really early to be playin the draft bluff game common sense would be to keep your interest or lack thereof secret.

Posted by: skinswest | December 11, 2009 10:59 AM
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That Vinny is even playing poker is discouraging since it sounds like he's planning on being around. Still, you are right. This is just too blatant to be anything more than a bluff. Of course, maybe this is one of those double bluff maneuvers where Vinny wants us all to think he's bluffing, when really he is not.......

Nope. As Steve Martin used to say, "Sorry, I just lost my brain for minute." Vinny is not that smart. Speaking of Vinny's poker face, have you ever seen Vinny at a media session where he is asked a really difficult question? The expression he gets on his face is just like the expression a dog gets on their face when they're krapping on the lawn. Just like it. Priceless.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Emmit Smith -

This arrogant donkey epitomizes everything that's wrong with the whole "let's find a popular ex-player to do commentary approach." Someone got fired for hiring him without giving him a basic English grammar exam first. It's hard to comment on his commentary b/c you can't even tell what he's trying to say. THe best part of his analyses is when he throws it back to Steve Young, and Steve just sort of blankly stares at him for a moment with a look on his face that says "what the heck am I supposed to say? I don't even understand the words that came out of your mouth, you Neanderthal."

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"When he coined the term "Tip-Toe Burglar" for SHaun Alexander, he was sub-conciously about his own stint as a Redskin"

Didn't he get paid in his final redskin years because of 'turf-toe'?

There are guys still running that he refused to tackle.

Too, folks claim he's the best modern cornerback like Darryl Green's work stands right there with his.

And Green tackled.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson -

Everytime his mug comes on TV, I'm distracted by the thing on his head and trying to figure out whether it's plastic or whether it's hair.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Daryl Johnston -

When your work as a commentator is overshadowed and plays 2nd fiddle to the sideline grunts of Tony Siragusa, you have to know that you aren't very good at what you do.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson -

Everytime his mug comes on TV, I'm distracted by the thing on his head and trying to figure out whether it's plastic or whether it's hair.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:10 AM

The only guy on TV who takes hair advice from Donald Trump.

Posted by: League-Source | December 11, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Express your Two Minutes of Hate about the following:


Michael Irvin - Hated that he clearly pushed off DBs almost on every friggin' route he ran, but never was called for offensive PI, even though he played in an era where the the WR and DB dry humped each other downfield all the time.

Dion Sanders - Never really associated Deion Sanders with just the Cowboys. He is the Gary Sheffield of football. I always been a fan of Prime Time since his days with the Falcons. Don't hate him at all.

Troy Aikman - Hate him because he would've went winless during his rookie year if not for the 'Skins handing Dallas their first win in the last game of the season.

Emmitt Smith - People always like to slurp Emmitt but always leave out that he probably ran behind one of the best offensive lines of all time, and that he had probably one, if not the best blocking FB of all-time. To this day, you can't convince me other wise that he was better than Faulk or Sanders.

Jimmy Johnson - Just hate him for that stupid ass hick themed phrase he made so popular. "How about dem".... NUTZ, muthafugga!!! Hate how even though he hasn't associated anything Dallas Cowboys since 1995(?), he still likes to take shots at the Redskins.

Darryl Johnston - Hate how you always heard "MOOOOOOSE" -- even in D.C.

Jerry Jones - Hate that this botox taking d-bag influenced Snyder to me the meddling d-bag that he is today. hate that every time Dallas is losing in the 4th qtr, he brings his old crusty ass down to the sidelines as if his presence is aweinspiring.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Any team with a high draft pick will be scouting all the top players, even if they don't plan on drafting them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 11, 2009 11:00 AM

Few of them do it publicly though.

Posted by: skinswest | December 11, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Draft position hardly matters when Danny d-mouth is going to sell the house for whatever boy wonder QB he falls in love with

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 11, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I don’t really know any bandwagon steelers fans; everyone I know that is a steeler fan is loyal to a fault…..it’s just that they are sooo obnoxious. Philly fans are DEFINITELY frontrunners unless you are talking about Flyers fans (they are actually very loyal). Dallas fans run the gambit…I think with them it’s just that a lot of them aren’t really NFL fans and only root for Dallas when things are going good, and they don’t know much else about other teams. Just MHO though.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Dallas gets those obnoxious front runners that always just so happen to have rooted for the team that's good since they were 2 years old. You know the guys. They just so happen to be cowboys, yankees, penguins, jimmy johnson, and laker fans. It's because of those fans that I hate the cowboys. The sad thing is that the other half of their fans are Texans who eat sleep breathe and live football. They can tell you who their 3rd string left tackle is and name the enitre practice squad. I respect those fans. It doesn't take you long to figure out which "cowboys fan" you're dealing with.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 11, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones-

If you want to figure out what's wrong with Danny Snyder as an owner, you need to examine 2 relationships in his life. First, the friendship with Vinny. And second is the admiration he holds for The Botox King Jerry Jones. The high prices, mediocre teams and meddling decisiosn that plague the Skins are largely the result of Danny following the "Jerry Jones" model of ownership. And what's with the sideline appearances in the 4th quarter? Does he think it is inspiring to his team? Sorry, but if I'm an NFL player and I see Jerry jones on the sideline, I'm not filled with a passion to play my guts out; I'm thinking "Isn't that old white guy the owner or something? WTH is he doing down here?".

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Deion Sanders: Never liked him before he came to the skins. Hated him once he did. Don Banks sums up why pretty well -

"Washington ruled the decade in terms of putrid free-agent additions, and no one was a bigger waste of time and money than Sanders, who brought nothing resembling his All-Pro game to the Redskins after Daniel Snyder awarded him an $8 million signing bonus as part of a seven-year, $56 million contract. Not only did Sanders disappoint on the field for a Redskins team that had the game's highest payroll, but he was also a selfish and dissatisfied presence in the locker room, openly pining to resume his baseball career. He basically dared Washington to cut him after one season, and when it did in July 2001, he walked away with millions and exulted that Washington was "paying him for doing nothing."

Posted by: skinswest | December 11, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

O.J. ATOGWE, DUNTA ROBINSON, KEITH BULLOCK from an uncapped FA market. OKUNG, BLACK and best OG left on the board in the fourth. Best available player in the fifth, seventh. Sign CAMPBELL, ROGERS, and McINTOSH. Use PORTIS in 2010, and lets roll to the SUPER BOWL. We can do this.

Question is does ownership and management have the will to stay the course toward building a winner, or will we see more carts before horses. We're so close. Basic players before skill players please Mr. SNYDER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 11, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

p1, don't be looking at my paper, dude.

We're so there with Jerry Jones.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

There you go Moe.

Took more than 2 minutes, but the hate is out there.

I feel cathartically rejuvenated...

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Here's a poll for you. What NFL coach was the most entertaining?

-Jerry Glanville (game tickets for Elvis)
-Buddy Ryan (bounty on a kicker, punch thrown at Kevin Gilbride, etc.)
-Sam Wyceh ("You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!")
-Bum Phillips ("I never scrimmage Oilers against Oilers...what for? Houston isn't on our schedule.")

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

It's not coincidence when people simply recognize the truth together.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"Took more than 2 minutes, but the hate is out there. I feel cathartically rejuvenated..."


Sometimes two minutes is all you need to feel better.

Anything longer than that's a workout.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Was Deion a class-A asshat the majority of the time he was in the league?

Hell yes.

Did he not perform all facets of the fame of football?

Yes, he did.

Did he basically tell Washington, to 'F off'?

He did.

Still dude was a beast. It's okay not to like him for the way he carried things in his brief stint in Washington and due to his affiliation with the Cowboys.

But Deion Sanders is a top three CB. He was good for six every time he had the ball in his hands.

His one year in San Fran is probably one of the greatest seasons ever.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

How about the "game of football"... Dyslexia workin' in high gear today.

Deion was fame driven as well though.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Deion will never ever be Bo Jackson.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

. . . BMW gets hurt and it's back to JC running for his life.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 11, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

People seem to be forgetting that we are in this hole largely because of the offensive line play/depth problems. Last summer there was a lot of talk about a lot of issues and it all boiled down to one thing - when during the season were Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas going to be out. That premise has not changed, it's just gotten worse.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 11, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"His one year in San Fran is probably one of the greatest seasons ever."


That Niners team he was on was a Beast all by itself.

I still put him well behind Rod Woodson, Darryl Green, and Ed Reed as top modern dbacks.

Heck, he's even behind Lawyer Milloy and John Lynch on my list.

And if he keeps playing well, Ronde Barber will pass him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is "the" Sofa King!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 11, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Emmitt Smith - People always like to slurp Emmitt but always leave out that he probably ran behind one of the best offensive lines of all time, and that he had probably one, if not the best blocking FB of all-time. To this day, you can't convince me other wise that he was better than Faulk or Sanders.

There is also the bit about him refusing to come out of games in garbage time when they were up by 20 or more because he knew he was chasing the record…even way back in 91-92, his first few years in the league. What an a$$clown.

Also, totally agree with Danny emulating the Jerry Jones method of ownership. Unfortunately, the one time Jerry made a smart move by letting Jimmy Johnson run things it actually paid off with SB wins…..but then his head got really big and he started tanking things. The year they won the SB with Switzer was a joke. Troy ran/coached the offense and Butch Davis (maybe???) the defense…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse


...... sofa king we todd did

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 11, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Lawyer Milloy & John Lynch?

C'mon Moe, say it with me: The reason I hate Deion Sanders is because I don't like the way he carries himself, he played with the Cowboys, and told my favorite football team, the Redskins, to 'F off, I'm out.' when he was signed to a hefty contract while obviously on the downside of hsi career, WHILE perhaps the most beloved Redskin of all time, Darrell Green, was still on the roster making considerably less than Sanders was.

I can totally understand not liking some these ball players, but to try and marginalize them or detract what they've done in their profession is misguided.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Red - can't argue with all those points about ex-pukes, but they're all history.

Don't really hate anybody on the Cowboys now - except for Wade. Tony is annoying, but hes harmless.

That's why I'm a bigger Giants hater than Cowboys hater nowadays (plus the fact I live in Giants country).

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Here's a poll for you. What NFL coach was the most entertaining?
-Jerry Glanville (game tickets for Elvis)
-Buddy Ryan (bounty on a kicker, punch thrown at Kevin Gilbride, etc.)
-Sam Wyceh ("You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!")
-Bum Phillips ("I never scrimmage Oilers against Oilers...what for? Houston isn't on our schedule.")
Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 11:23 AM
I’m going with Glanville….he at least has a great sense of humor. NFL films of him on the sidelines are priceless.

Ryan was an egomaniacal pr1ck, and Joe Gibbs finally ran him out of town by proving his team was a fraud.

Bum was okay, just not all that entertaining….loved his Oiler teams though He was robbed in Pittsburgh in the 79 AFC Champ game.

Wyche was one of the biggest crybaby coaches I have ever witnessed. When things didn’t go his way he would ALWAYS blame the refs or accuse the other team of cheating.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

My dream for the o-line in 2010:

LT - RUSSELL OKUNG*, LEVI JONES.
LG - D. DOCKERY, C. RINEHART, MIKE JOHNSON*
C - C. RABACH, WIL MONTGOMERY, E.A SNAPPER.
RG - M. WILLIAMS, R. THOMAS, EDWIN WILLIAMS
RG - CIRON BLACK*, S. HEYER, ED WANG*

* DRAFTEES 2010:

OKUNG - 1st round
BLACK - 2nd round
JOHNSON - 4th round
WANG - 5th round

'Tis the season and SANTA will provide that all my wishes come true. Mr. SNYDER and his BAG-MAN will desist from acquiring skill position players, and in a stroke of genius finally understand that building a championship club requires less bling and more umph!!!!!. Go 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 11, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Lawyer Milloy & John Lynch?

C'mon Moe, say it with me: The reason I hate Deion Sanders is because I don't like the way he carries himself, he played with the Cowboys, and told my favorite football team, the Redskins, to 'F off, I'm out.' when he was signed to a hefty contract while obviously on the downside of hsi career, WHILE perhaps the most beloved Redskin of all time, Darrell Green, was still on the roster making considerably less than Sanders was.

I can totally understand not liking some these ball players, but to try and marginalize them or detract what they've done in their profession is misguided.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't necessaruly put Lynch/Milloy ahead of Deion.

But if that dude out in Oakland (Asamagoaoaohah??) keeps playing at the level he's played at over the past couple years, I will put him up there.

He takes away one-half of the field like Deion did, except UNLIKE Deion, he tackles consistently AND he's playing with piss-poor talent around him.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, I relly don't hate wade and share your sentiment on Romo.

But I do HATE, LOATHE, and DESPISE Flozell Adams. He's the dirtiest player in the game of football. he should have been fined seven figures and suspended three games for his last infraction against the Giants.

Would I be wrong if I while openly rooting for the Redskins, an NFC east team, disliked the Saints more than I do the Giants?

I don't know what it is, but I can't stand the Saints, Buccaneers, Seahawks, and Rams. I dislike those teams more than the Giants.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Red - I forgot about Flo. You are correct about him. Oh, and JJones.

I didn't hate the Saints until Sunday. But don't worry, they won't go 19-0... I'm putting down $20 on Saints-Indy Parlay money line this weekend, and I'm rolling that every weekend until the SBowl if necessary. I'm the biggest gambling mush ever, so no 18-0 matchup this year.

I hate the Seahawks just from our 2 playoff losses. Bucs and Rams are an interesting adversary, though.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

p1, can't argue the fact that Nnamdi 'Awesome-One' Asomugha could be better than Deion when he's all said and done.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 11, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Okung and Black but we really need a running back. Rhino is actually a somewhat funcitonal guard. Portis may be gone and so will Betts probably. That leaves 31 year old cartwright and the latest temp from labor ready. It would be hard not to take a running back in the 4th round especially if guys like Royster, Blount, Devine, or Dixon are still on the board.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 11, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I've disliked the Saints every since 2006 and I don't know why...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I hate any players that come from dallas to the skins all rejects including ss.

The worst is that pos neon deion. You can blame his dirty ass for f'kng up the skins when Martyball was here, dude undermined the HC. Lazy fck didn't want to do those oklahoma drills b/c he thought he was above it. I think he was the first to destroy this franchise under the snyder regime.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 11, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Seahawks just from our 2 playoff losses. Bucs and Rams are an interesting adversary, though.
Posted by: Rypien11 | December 11, 2009 12:03 PM

I hate the seahawks FANS more than anyone, except maybe Philly. The philly fans who aren’t frontrunners are actually proud of the fact they are a collective bunch of a-holes, and they know it. The hawks fans are a-holes but aren’t aware of it….they stroke themselves as the “best” fans harder than any collective group in all of sports fandom. The whole “12th man” thing borders on the ridiculous, and they won’t even admit that they “stole” it from texas a&m or whoever. It’s hysterical to go over to a seahawks board after a home win….you’d think the fans played in the game the way they squawk and pat themselves on the back.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 11, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"'Cuz if Tiger and his money is involved, I plan on getting licked."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

We need 2 new starting tackles

amen bro....amen...1st and 2nd round picks on OL...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 9:50 AM |


Nice Moe, nice...

Greg, I thought I read that both of the Pouncey brothers from FL are now coming out, they are both damn good and would add to the OL in the first round, I think both are rated by Kiper and McShay as the Top 5 OL.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 11, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Reid,
I read many times you and your paper ask your readers to respond to your multiple choice questions. Will you please ask another one to the fans if they would like to see Mr. Cerrato stay on the Redskins staff for next year or be replaced after this season or now for that matter.
Thanks you.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | December 11, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

But I do HATE, LOATHE, and DESPISE Flozell Adams.

Why? I thought that was awesome. Let them F each other up, who cares. That's what you call a rivalry, something that has been missing here in a very long time.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 11, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007,
If you're going to dream, you might as well dream big, right? If the Redskins front office is smart (without a doubt a major, major "IF"), they'll pick up some big o linemen early in the draft, but I think the best we could hope for - really, really hope for - is two. I don't think R. Thomas will be back. I sense a definite passing of the... ahem, guard there. RT was great in his time but he can't stay healthy and he is paid too much to be a backup. I also don't believe Rabach will be back - not for the kind of money the team will probably offer. They have been endeavoring to beef up the position because games last year against some nose tackles highlighted the fact that Rabach just isn't big or strong. Edwin Williams or Montgomery could be the starting center next year, with me definitely leaning toward Edwin Williams. Which brings me to free agency. The team cannot re-tool the offensive line completely unless they sign some guys, some young guys with potential.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's a poll for you. What NFL coach was the most entertaining?
-Jerry Glanville (game tickets for Elvis)
-Buddy Ryan (bounty on a kicker, punch thrown at Kevin Gilbride, etc.)
-Sam Wyceh ("You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!")
-Bum Phillips ("I never scrimmage Oilers against Oilers...what for? Houston isn't on our schedule.")
Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 11:23 AM

Don't forget John McKay

Reporter: "How do you feel about your offense's execution?"

John McKay:"I'm in favor of it."

Or when he was in Buffalo

Reporter: "Why are you giving the ball to Simpson so often?"

McKay: "Why not? it's not heavy, and he doesn't belong to a union."


Posted by: skinswest | December 11, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry second one was when he was at USC not Buffalo

Posted by: skinswest | December 11, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

on Steinberg's Bog: "Cerrato's interview with Jimmy Clausen".

This is just doubly woeful. First because it appears that Cerrato is still a big part of the FO picture and second because it seems like the Vinster would love to hump Clasusen because of his ND connections even though it would be in the Skins best interest to stay as far away from Clausen as possible. Joe Theismann, another illustrous ND alum, was doing the Skins no good until another Joe, Gibbs, came along and put the screws to him.

Posted by: SonOfStan | December 11, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Why? I thought that was awesome. Let them F each other up, who cares. That's what you call a rivalry, something that has been missing here in a very long time.

Posted by: bhoang888


No, bhoang. That is what you call foul and unnecessary.

The first game they played against the Giants this year, Adams went low on with Osi or Tuck and caused them to sit out the rest of the game, I believe it was Tuck.

There is no place for that junk anywhere in sports. Trash-talking, showboating/showing the other team up, good, clean legal hits I'm totally cool with.

I bet if Flozell Adams did that to either Carter or Haynesworth, you'd be very pissy.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

Okay.

Okay.

I plead guilty to 'misguided' by ranking Deion Sanders behind Lawyer Milloy and John Lynch as top modern dbacks.

My complaint, though, is with folks who want to put him ahead of Darryl Green.

From the top of my head, I believe where Deion has the INTS, Darryl has the tackles.

They were both stud cover guys.

But because Deion "The Gary Sheffield of the NFL" went to where the winners were in free agency, you wonder what he would've been like had he stuck it out on some bad teams with no pass rush.

Green stayed in one place and played well no matter what the front seven did.

That's why he's the best to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 11, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Reid,
I read many times you and your paper ask your readers to respond to your multiple choice questions. Will you please ask another one to the fans if they would like to see Mr. Cerrato stay on the Redskins staff for next year or be replaced after this season or now for that matter.
Thanks you.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | December 11, 2009 12:14 PM |
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Since the mayor is too busy to answer the demands of we mere mortals, I'll take care of this one, sort of:

WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AN ADEQUATE REPLACEMENT FOR VINNY CERRATO?

-Chris Polian
-Mike Holmgren
-Mike Shanahan
-A big cardboard cutout of Bobby Beathard
-CACA DEL PERRO

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 11, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm not gonna join in on the bandwagon that wants to bash the FO if they wanna draft Claussen.

Here's why...

JC is an average QB. Yes, he's had to throw behind a bad O-line but not all the time.

As fans sometimes we settle for average because we're afraid of the unknown.

Good teams do it all the time...Eagles drafted Kolb...Cardinals drafted Leinhart...Patriots drafted Cassel

I don't care if they draft a QB...I wouldn't draft an O-lineman necessarily in the 1st round unless he was the best player available. For example, if Spiller is on the board I'm taking him.

THE KEY IS GETTING O-LINEMAN IN THE MIDDLE AND LATE ROUNDS ALONG WITH CB, RB, LB.

...that's my take.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 11, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's a poll for you. What NFL coach was the most entertaining?

What about accidentally entertaining?

If that qualifies, then you have to go with Jim Mora. Unfortunately I don't have video access at work, but you all have heard these many times anyway.

He's known for his playoff rant, but they rarely play what he says following up to that:

"Well, I'll start off by saying this: do not blame that game on the defense, OK? I don't care who you play -- whether it's a high school team, a junior college team, a college team -- much less an NFL team. When you turn the ball over five times -- four interceptions, one for a touchdown, three others in field position set up touchdowns. You ain't gonna be anybody I just talked about. Anybody, alright, and that was a disgraceful performance in my opinion. We threw that game, we gave it away by doing that. We gave them the friggin game. In my opinion that sucked. You know, you can't turn over the ball over five times like that. Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think we are when we do something like that. Unbelievable, five turnovers. We threw four interceptions for touchdowns this year, that might be an NFL record. Hell we still have six games, five, five, five, we still got six games to play, no telling what might happen. That's pitiful, I mean it's absolutely pitiful to perform like that. Pitiful. If our defense hadn't played half way decent against a great offensive football team they might have scored sixty, that's it."

Or his "sick" rant:

"I've been coaching for 34 years, and tonight I saw and heard one of the most disgusting, rudest, sick demonstrations in my entire career. Probably THE worst. When Wade Wilson got hurt, I actually looked up into the stands and saw people standing, clapping, and cheering when he was laying on the ground with a knee injury. And I say this, those are some sick, sick, SICK people! Mentally sick! I thought it was horrible, disgusting, embarrassing, shameful, it stunk! People are SICK when they do something like that! Absolutely friggin' SICK! The guy's out there busting his ass like all our guys were, gets his knee blown up, not badly hopefully, and they're standing and cheering and clapping! Those are sick people! Sick in the head! They oughta get their ass thrown right out of the stadium!"

Can't forget the "woulda, shoulda, coulda":

"The Saints ain't good enough. We're close, and close don't mean s***. I'm tired of coming close. I'm pissed off right now. You bet your ass I am. I'm sick of coulda, woulda, shoulda, coming close, if only."

I feel ya, Jim...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

One last point...

I have been a Redskins fan for over 30 years and do not attribute the downfall of this franchise to just one person or one thing.

There is one factor that is never talked about is the lack of patience from not only the front office but FANS also.

As much as I hate the Eagles, I have to admire their patience (maybe not a good example...5 NFC Championships and no rings!)

Posted by: rickyroge | December 11, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Since the mayor is too busy to answer the demands of we mere mortals, I'll take care of this one, sort of:
WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AN ADEQUATE REPLACEMENT FOR VINNY CERRATO?
-Chris Polian
-Mike Holmgren
-Mike Shanahan
-A big cardboard cutout of Bobby Beathard
-CACA DEL PERRO
Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 11, 2009 12:28 PM
That’s funny…Since you asked the question I’ll have to think about this one since none of my choices are there. However, the cardboard head looks intriguing. Doesn’t say much, doesn’t fly around looking at quarterbacks, definitely doesn’t have google eyes but did have an eye for Offensive Lineman. Yes, mayby the card board cutout.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | December 11, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I bet if Flozell Adams did that to either Carter or Haynesworth, you'd be very pissy.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 11, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hell yeah I'd be pissed! But you know what that would only fuel my eternal hatred for anything dallas.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 11, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind if Marty came in to replace Vinny as GM. The guy always had quality players around him - he just couldn't coach them to the championship.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 11, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

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