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Gray calls secondary's tackling a primary concern

The secondary tackled horribly in the 31-17 loss to the Atlanta Falcons, and the defensive backfield must perform better Sunday against the Denver Broncos at FedEx Field, secondary coach Jerry Gray said.

"It wasn't good," he said. "The thing we've got to do is, you've got to bring your hands. We were there in position but we didn't bring our hands to really wrap up. We had seen that [on tape] against New Orleans, the running back [Michael Turner] is pretty good. Any time you get a running back that you don't wrap up on, that runs low center to gravity, he's going to stay up."

In retrospect, the defensive coaching staff probably should have conducted tackling drills after the bye week, Gray said.

"You look back and you try to think, 'What did we not do? What did we do?' And the only thing we come up with was really, after open week, we probably should have [done] a lot more tackling drills. The guys were off. You didn't play. So it wasn't like you had a Sunday where you carried over to the next week.

"That's something that we put in the back of our minds that we've got to do a better job of as coaches to say, 'Hey, when you're off, come back and do a lot of tackling drills.' Because, trust me, one week [does] make a difference. We've seen it."

Turner rushed for 166 yards, scored on 30- and 58-yard runs and had a 9.2-yard average. Overall, the Falcons rushed for 181 yards and had a 6.7-yard average. Gray said it wasn't a matter of players failing to maintain their gap responsibilities, "I think it's more contributing to being off a week and not actually practicing it for a whole week and then not going through full contact.

"And the next thing you know, when you're going up against, I think, one of the better running backs, who has good balance, you're not going to knock him off his feet. Most guys, most of those hits, most running backs would have been down. You're not going knock him off his feet. Not with a hit."

By Jason Reid  |  November 12, 2009; 2:15 PM ET
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I didn't think Chad played all that awful for just two starts. After watching week in and week out Heyer get blown the f up and not pulled. I don't trust this coaching staff of knowing if the kid can play or not.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft, already failed in his first opportunity to inspire confidence.

I could be wrong, but didn't CR hurt his shoulder during his 2nd start?? nevermind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


See what happened was that after Thomas went down, Rhino and Monty competed for RG spot and Rhino won.

When Rhino played, he apparently injured his shoulder a bit.

So of course in the next game, Mike Williams got the start at RG, even though he apparently wasn't in the initial RG mix.

When Samuels got injured, and Mike Williams moved to RT, Montgomery got the spot at RG, even though by that point Rhino said he was healthy enough to play.

And so obviously this week Rhino gets the start.

I don't see what isn't clear about that sequence of events.

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

So Jerry Gray forgot to remind his DBs to actually use their hands when tackling...good thing he's remembered to let the guys know that for future games.

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

A week off and you forget. WTF!!! Time for Gray as* be shown the door as well. Having the backs play 10 damn yards off the when it is 3rd and 6. I am so tired of this making excuses soft as* coaching staff. It is the reason the team play soft.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Most guys, most of those hits, most running backs would have been down."


He's got a point.

Pretty much every other running back in the NFL is going to go down when Laron Landry flops on the turf in front of them, just not Michael Turner.

Yeah, yeah that's the ticket...

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

So we had a bye week and came back from it less prepared for a game. Nice.

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This is getting serious. Even "The New Yorker" has taken on the Redskins mess.... Not super original, by by God, it's The New Freakin' Yorker!

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/2009/10/monday-night-football.html

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

You've got to be kidding me? A week off and you forget how? Or 'one week makes a difference'. ??? There's no toughness to this team or its coaches. They probably haven't done any tackling drills this week either.

Posted by: really9 | November 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Any time you get a running back that you don't wrap up on, that runs low center to gravity, he's going to stay up."

By Jason Reid | November 12, 2009; 2:15 PM ET

This really only applies to RB's. If you hit a QB out of bounds, he's going over even if you don't wrap him up. Ergo, try to force them out of bounds and then whack 'em a good lick.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

they had the week off, doncha know.....

hows that again??

ufb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The reason we're missing tackles is because the D is pre-occupied w/ their positioning.

No one in the secondary has a solid idea of the scheme, so assignments are always being mulled over w/o true guidance.

When Taylor (RIP), Springs or even Smoot was back there regularly we had a better picture as a unit. But even then, assignments were regularly blown.

I still harken back to this being a two-fold problem of the personell for the scheme and the scheme itself (cusions that are too big, easily manipulated assignments, etc.)

The only way this is addressed is if 1) the offense scores more (i.e. enough) or 2) we change schemes.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Even "The New Yorker" has taken on the Redskins mess.... Not super original, by by God, it's The New Freakin' Yorker!

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 2:26 PM

New Yorker's run out of material since Bush left town. Monday or Tuesday the Wall Street Urinal also took a shot at the Redskins.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Two coaches who have already checked out for this season; Greg Blache and Jim Zorn.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

these guys have been playing football for the majority of their lives...yet a week off and this is what we get....ugh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Big problem, Cork, was that Taylor was seriously injured and missed most of the season. This year, healthy in Miami, he's a player again.

Posted by: League-Source

If memory serves, he was dinged from his full-contact dancing when the 'skins got him. I think he got hurt two or three more times playing for this cold-weather NFC East team.

Also, he was used by Washington to replace a hand in the dirt run stuffing Defensive end player, where his fate was sealed at 240 pounds. He looked like a rag doll out there.

I've seen some Miami games and Taylor's primarily used as a Rushbacker--not unlike Orakpo has been used by the 'skins. He's not being asked to be a run stuffer.

I think we're both in agreement that Bill Parcells has a better football mind than both Snyder and Cerrato combined and cubed,

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

No shti sherlock.
Tackling drills, passing drills, blocking drills, running drills.
WTF are they doing in practice? Trimming the crust off their watercress sandwiches....

Posted by: priceisright | November 12, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Two coaches who have already checked out for this season; Greg Blache and Jim Zorn.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

thinker_

"But, this coaching staff is WAY too conservative about determining when a guy is "ready."


True.

They wait too long to determine if a guy is ready, and then leave him in a starting role too long when he no longer is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the coaches show that they are clueless. This team has regressed since the start of last year.

IMO there is no way any of the draft picks from last year and this year can be evaluated based on what these coaches are doing.

I would even argue (tho I am probably in the minority on this) that the OL is not as bad as this coaching staff is making them. My guess is that if this same team is coached even by Gibbs, who has been lapped a couple of times by the NFL, these guys would be playing with some heart and would not have laid the egg this team did against the soft schedule we had.

Fire all the coaches!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The skins should bring in some local Pop Warner coaches to teach the basic fundamentals of tackling. It's obvious that either the coaches aren't stressing it or some players just don't give a damn. So it's time to get back to the "Pop Warner" basics. Next week's lesson will be "blocking Techniques" taught by George Starke and Russ Grimm.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

WTF are they doing in practice? Trimming the crust off their watercress sandwiches....

Posted by: priceisright | November 12, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse


Apparently practice consists of CP26 watching, while the defense doesn't tackle.

I thought we got rid of Spurrier.

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

watercress sandwiches....

Posted by: priceisright


There was this movie that comes to mind but who's title escapes me at the moment that had mentioned these sandwiches. I never seen one nor had one, and this movie was the only time I've heard them mentioned.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of DBs--whatever happened to that kid Barnes from Maryland they took in the third round? Has he even played a down this year? Has he been on special teams and I've just missed him?

Call me wacky, but I have a feeling that on most pro teams--admittedly the 'skins are excepted in that area--1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders should play their rookie year.

But the last two years have brought DC three 2nds and two 3rds who contributed zip last yeara nd this

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This entire coaching staff should be fired right now!

I said it during the bye, wtf is that team getting a week off? They should have been running light contact two-a-days trying to figure out something anything on offense. They had just switched playcallers to a guy who wasn't familiar with our system but more experienced than our entire coaching staff, why not let him run a week of offensive practices? I mean I know these guys aren't really payed all that well and playing a game for a living is such hard work, but sometimes when things aren't going well you suck it up and put some work in to get better, not get rewarded for your suckiness and get a vacation. Then come back and use that vacation as an excuse for more suckiness UFB!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 12, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This might sound crazy and totally off the wall, but how about cutting Wynn and activating Clint Oldenburg, a backup tackle on the developmental roster whose resume includes some play at tight end? They could use him as a sixth offensive lineman / jumbo tight end and also have a backup offensive tackle active for Sunday.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I think we're both in agreement that Bill Parcells has a better football mind than both Snyder and Cerrato combined and cubed,

Posted by: TheCork | November 12, 2009 2:36 PM

Now that's unfair. You doomed them when you cubed them. Cube a number less than one and it keeps getting smaller.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

IMO there is no way any of the draft picks from last year and this year can be evaluated based on what these coaches are doing.

1-brazillion percent agreed....

IMO, JZ is worse than spurrier. We all knew that SS checked out, and wasn't doing anything other than trying to punt a football and catch it behind his back. JZ is trying, HE'S TRYING....

So Spurrier not trying=JZ trying....

sweet...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

This entire coaching staff should be fired right now!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 12, 2009 2:43 PM


..because a ninth week replacement coaching staff would get much better results. Bring all those guys out of the booths and we can turn this thing around. What? They don't want to leave the booth for Washington? Okay, we'll just grab the Coolidge High Coaching staff.

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

get coach Taylor formerly of the Dillon Panthers.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

In the words of the "Great Forrest Gump"...."stupid is what stupid does"....it's Zorn's fault, the skins refuse to play some rookies on a regular basis in their first year. They wait until their 2nd year to give them a shot and wonder why they are struggling. Most teams will play their rookies and reap the benefits during their 2nd year. But not the stupid a$$ skins.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 12, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

This entire coaching staff should be fired right now!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 12, 2009 2:43 PM


..because a ninth week replacement coaching staff would get much better results. Bring all those guys out of the booths and we can turn this thing around. What? They don't want to leave the booth for Washington? Okay, we'll just grab the Coolidge High Coaching staff.

Posted by: League-Source
------------------------------------------
Yep, you are right. It is much more humane to take away all of their respect and bat them around in front of the media like a cat toy. Let's bring in a "protection specialist" to get an extra set of eyes on Buges', shall we? While we are at it we should just get a "tackling specialist" to help out Jerry Gray. Let's not stop there. Let's get a Jason Campbell ego masseuse so he doesn't get his feelings hurt when he plays at home. Finally, we should bring in a geometry teacher to show Laron Landry how to take the right angles...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

On the bulletin board at Redskins Park:

Be half of all you can be

Go hard for 30 minutes

If you believe in yourself and stay medium, no one can defeat you

We win as a team once in a while and we lose as a team, often

All for one and keep your pockets straight

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

beeps - new post, I think.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Coach Boone & Coach Yoast > Zorn & Blache

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! Looks like Daniel Snyder put the Sheeny Curse on Jerry Gray! Just another victim!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 12, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the coaches show that they are clueless. This team has regressed since the start of last year.

IMO there is no way any of the draft picks from last year and this year can be evaluated based on what these coaches are doing.

I would even argue (tho I am probably in the minority on this) that the OL is not as bad as this coaching staff is making them. My guess is that if this same team is coached even by Gibbs, who has been lapped a couple of times by the NFL, these guys would be playing with some heart and would not have laid the egg this team did against the soft schedule we had.

Fire all the coaches!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 12, 2009 2:39 PM


This is 100% accurate. The team started 6-2 last year when there was still a tinge of Gibbsian influence from the previous playoff run. The longer this staff has had control of it, the more it has drifted into disarray.

Don't get me wrong, I think the team is bad, but to lay eggs against St. Louis, Detroit and KC and to play with such little emotion and heart is an indictment of the coaching staff.

Posted by: zyvo23 | November 12, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So, I don't understand.

One can forget how to tackle after only one week, but calling plays after 4 years off, is like riding a bike?

Posted by: nojunk4me | November 12, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

If you can't tackle, maybe you shouldn't be in the NFL. I mean, this is laughable -- Gray says maybe we should have had tackling drills during the bye week? omg what a comedy.

Posted by: cmterpsnskins | November 12, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

So did they forget tackling drills all the other weaks too?

Posted by: Veretax | November 12, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

zorn gave the team a week off after the bye week..I said it before zorn is the mr. green jeans of the nfl a weak wimpy dip-sh-t coach way in over his head. this is probably the weakest tackling team in the league hall and smoot can't tackle period landry goes for the killer hit and misses most of the time(landry has good hands and speed he should try going for the ball at times) rogers who plays like he has canola oil on his hands is a hard hitter. put moore in at deep safety.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 12, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray is a dumb piece of sht

He's on RECORD as saying that they didn't bring DHall here to make tackles. That's a direct fkng quote. Now he's moaning about his secondary not being able to properly tackle? Anyone tell this tool that the message he's been sending loud and clear has been received by his players. They're doing exactly what they know he expects from them.

Bring back Gregg Williams please. The hardnosed attitude that he brought to our defense has been pussified by Blache, Gray and the rest of the idiots on our coaching staff. And of course, kudos to Head Idiot Snyderatto.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 12, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

They don't practice tackling?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 13, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

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