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Gray praises potential of secondary he leaves behind

In personal notes at the end of every season, former secondary coach Jerry Gray critiques defensive backs and offers suggestions on how to improve.

Gray recently completed the process for the last time with the Redskins and plans to do the same after next season for the Seattle Seahawks, who this week hired him as their secondary coach. In D.C., Gray leaves behind an experienced and talented group, he said, that is capable of becoming one of the league's best. Gray believes the Redskins' secondary has the ability to accomplish great things for a long time, and he would not be surprised if it soon was second to none.

"At corner, you've got Fred Smoot, you've got DeAngelo [Hall], you've got Carlos [Rogers], you've got Justin Tryon, you've got Kevin Barnes, who I think is going to be a real good player, Bryon Westbrook," Gray said this morning in a phone interview. "At safety, you've got Chis Horton and Reed [Doughty] and Kareem Moore. What you have is a bunch of guys who can ultimately, I think, be the best secondary in football because there's a lot of talent there.

"To me, if those guys can do the little things that I talked about [in his notes], and then you get together as a collective group, they can lead the NFL. They are that talented. They can dominate the league for a long time. You don't have a lot of old guys in that secondary. If they [the team's new leaders] don't disband the secondary, they can get a lot out of it. I really believe that. You can see that these guys, if they can just keep growing together, could be that good."

The Redskins ranked 10th overall in defense this season. They were tied for eighth against the pass and tied for 26th with only 11 interceptions. Hall led the Redskins with four interceptions.

"DeAngelo has probably got some of the greatest hands I've ever been around," Gray said. "The guy can flat out catch a football - one hand, two hands, back flip, standing still. Any way you can think. He's probably the most talented guy I've ever coached, and he still has work to do.

"And I told him, 'Here's some of the things you need to do, and I think you can be All-Pro or Hall of Fame material.' There aren't many guys I've coached who have had his type of stuff. ... There are a lot of guys who haven't reached their potential yet, and there's a lot of potential there."

By Jason Reid  |  January 20, 2010; 12:15 PM ET
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I have been working on our possible trades for the draft. I think we could make a good trade for our first round pick with any of the following.

9. Buffalo (1,3,4,5)

10. Denver (1,3,7)

13. San Francisco (1,2,5) 

15. New York Giants (1,2,3)

16. Tennessee (1,2,3,4)

16. San Francisco (1,2,3,4)
26. Arizona (1, 2, 3, 4)

29. Minnesota (In theory if they need a QB we could force a trade for picks 1-7)

Posted by: alex35332

Are you out of your tree? You realize the draft value "chart" is worthless, right?

You think ANY of those teams would actually give up those multiple picks just to move up in the same round? Would you?

If I recall correctly, according to the chart, the #1 pick is equal to the top 13 picks in round 3. Pretty sure I would take the 13 picks every day and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The question is: can Slowick coach them up better than you did?

Posted by: jcabana | January 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Anybody find it odd that he didn't mention Dirty 30?! Move him back to his original spot and lets see if he has a better year.

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 20, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Funny clip, 4th.

Woody, that jumped out at me too. It was like Vinny's exit when he mentioned all the talented coaches but left out Zorn. I guess if you can't say somethin nice...

For those saying Fletch is too small for 3-4, I remind you of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh16xeNihDY&feature=related

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 20, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Reading that post answers for me the question of why Grey was not retained.

No way this is one of the best secondaries in the NFL. They benefited from a stong defensive line and still could not get any INTs. Rogers was exposed repeatedly. Tryon is undersized. Barnes barely got on the field. Landry was exposed. Horton and Doughty are injury prone.

Come on. If Grey really thinks that, I am glad he is gone. We need a real #1 corner to pair with Hall and we need a true FS.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | January 20, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Anybody find it odd that he didn't mention Dirty 30?! Move him back to his original spot and lets see if he has a better year.

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 20, 2010 12:26 PM

It seemed more than odd -- vindictive? Maybe Jason Reid just didn't copy it down correctly?

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

LOL...they have potential only to disappoint. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: CADMT | January 20, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you out of your tree? You realize the draft value "chart" is worthless, right?

You think ANY of those teams would actually give up those multiple picks just to move up in the same round? Would you?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 12:20 PM

You realize that it depends entirely on who's sitting there when the Redskins are ready to pick, don't you?

Trades out of the top five are rare, but they do happen. Why, just last year Cleveland traded the #5 pick to the Jets.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

If these guys are so great, why did they keep getting burned for big plays and key first downs?

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 20, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

League Source -

9. Buffalo (1,3,4,5)

10. Denver (1,3,7)

13. San Francisco (1,2,5) 

15. New York Giants (1,2,3)

16. Tennessee (1,2,3,4)

16. San Francisco (1,2,3,4)
26. Arizona (1, 2, 3, 4)

29. Minnesota (In theory if they need a QB we could force a trade for picks 1-7)

I can promise you that NONE of those teams will give up virtually their whole draft for one pick. This isn't Madden.

In the NFL, the 7th round pick can be worth just as much as the 1st round.

Buffalo giving up 4 picks in top 5 rounds to move up FIVE spots??

The Giants their top 3 rounds for one player?

Minnesota their whole draft????

Trades out of the top 5 happen, rarely, but not according to the magic "chart" that everyone cites. If we trade out of #4, we're likely giving up lower picks and/or players as well.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Are you out of your tree? You realize the draft value "chart" is worthless, right?

You think ANY of those teams would actually give up those multiple picks just to move up in the same round? Would you?

If I recall correctly, according to the chart, the #1 pick is equal to the top 13 picks in round 3. Pretty sure I would take the 13 picks every day and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

You can flush that trade value chart down the toilet once you add players to the deal or if another team covets a player. At that point it is simply highest budder takes all. A top 4 pick may net us the top QB or Berry or even Suh. If someother team feels that Claussen is their franchise QB they will overpay. That's not likely but for the sake of burning time arguing on a blog it's a worthwhile scenario.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

He didn't mention Landry? What's that all about?

Posted by: Salinas1 | January 20, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

No way this is one of the best secondaries in the NFL. They benefited from a stong defensive line and still could not get any INTs.....

A line and linebackers who rarely blitzed or stunted - a secondary that gave 20 yards of cushion to receivers. The secondary could be the best if we pressured QBs consistently and if the corners pressed the receivers at the line on blitz packages.

Posted by: SPUD2 | January 20, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Landry needs some1 to get in his face and bring his ego down a notch or two. His ego is hurting his performance. Gray couldnt get through to him.

Gray may be exaggerating about this secondaries potential, but hes not as far off base as most might think. Carlos cant catch and didnt have a stellar year, but if you think back to 2008, he was on his way to a probowl year (a year after blowing his knee out bigtime). With Smoot a whiley vet, Hall and the youngster Barnes, there is potential. If these new coaches can get these guys to play together, in a scheme that fits and attacks, is aggressive, the secondary will be much improved next season. There is an upside here.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 20, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Cindy:


Can we get some clarification from Jreid about this. Did Gray not mention Landry or did Jreid just forget to put Landry up in the Quote?


The people want answers

answers

answers

come on people chant with me

Answers

Answers

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

He didn't mention Landry? What's that all about?

Posted by: Salinas1 | January 20, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I feel that only 10% of this is factual and the other 90% is Gray blowing hot air to the media. What coach is going to have bad things to say about his players after he leaves a team? If he did, that would just come back on him and people would say it was bad coaching over bad personnel. He didn't mention #30 becuase #30 has played out of position ever since #21 passed. #30 is a SS!!!, damn near a LB if he packed on some lbs.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 20, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Won't be long before Gray is back on the phone w/Reid explaining what a special player LL is and that he did not mean anything by leaving him out on this story.

Can't have hurt feeling in today's NFL.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 20, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Anybody find it odd that he didn't mention Dirty 30?! Move him back to his original spot and lets see if he has a better year.

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 20, 2010 12:26 PM

It seemed more than odd -- vindictive? Maybe Jason Reid just didn't copy it down correctly?

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 12:35 PM |

He didn't mention him because Laron is way overrated and a huge chump.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Cindy:


Can we get some clarification from Jreid about this. Did Gray not mention Landry or did Jreid just forget to put Landry up in the Quote?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Or did Gray innocently forget to mention Landry? It wouldnt surprise me, the guy isnt the best speaker in the world. Maybe his thoughts got jumbled. He has a lot goin on in his life with changing jobs and moving all the way over to the west coast.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 20, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that he would forget to mention landry when discussing safeties.... I wonder if that could mean something

Posted by: Veretax | January 20, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Landry needs some1 to get in his face and bring his ego down a notch or two. His ego is hurting his performance. Gray couldnt get through to him.

Gray may be exaggerating about this secondaries potential, but hes not as far off base as most might think. Carlos cant catch and didnt have a stellar year, but if you think back to 2008, he was on his way to a probowl year (a year after blowing his knee out bigtime). With Smoot a whiley vet, Hall and the youngster Barnes, there is potential. If these new coaches can get these guys to play together, in a scheme that fits and attacks, is aggressive, the secondary will be much improved next season. There is an upside here.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 20, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Didn't read this before I posted mine.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 20, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

LL is a chump Scampbell, well said. Overrated is too nice a term.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If we trade out of #4, we're likely giving up lower picks and/or players as well.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 12:42 PM

I agree. This is what is likely. But I recall the 1999 draft where we traded our #5 pick to the Saints for their entire draft (first- (No.12), third-, fourth-, fifth-, sixth- and seventh-rounders in 1999), AND their first- and third-rounders in 2000.

So, I'm sticking with what I said earlier -- it depends entirely on who's sitting there when the Redskins pick. Okay, it probably also depends on having Iron Mike Ditka on the other side of the trading table.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that he omits Landry, goes out of his way to praise D. Hall, and goes out of is way to say he thinks Barnes will be a good player. I'm excited by the secondary because I think they do have some young guys that have yet to reach their peak. I was really impressed by Tryon's development this year, and am intrigued by Barnes' potential. I worry a little that Rogers is probably the most physical corner they have and he probably won't be with the team next year. I worry that Landry won't get back his mojo. We could easily see a secondary that is minus Smoot and Rogers next season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There is an average of just over 1 first round pick traded out of the top 10 picks every year going back to 2000, the notion of trading back is not out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse
But since there are 9 other top 10 picks this year, it means that we have only a 10% chance of trading back this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that he omits Landry, goes out of his way to praise D. Hall, and goes out of is way to say he thinks Barnes will be a good player. I'm excited by the secondary because I think they do have some young guys that have yet to reach their peak. I was really impressed by Tryon's development this year, and am intrigued by Barnes' potential. I worry a little that Rogers is probably the most physical corner they have and he probably won't be with the team next year. I worry that Landry won't get back his mojo. We could easily see a secondary that is minus Smoot and Rogers next season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, get Tryon off the team. No bueno, no bueno at all.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Can somone tell me why Okung is not an absolute no-brainer in the first round, staying where we are - 4th overall.

A Samuels replacement who will be the blindside guardian for a decade or more. Absolute no-brainer!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I worry a little that Rogers is probably the most physical corner they have and he probably won't be with the team next year. I worry that Landry won't get back his mojo. We could easily see a secondary that is minus Smoot and Rogers next season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

You worry too much.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

what are KC and Seattle looking for in the draft? Since they draft right after us, we have the most leverage with them. Maybe draft a player they want and make a trade etc?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

His name is "Byron" Westbrook. You know the Post has dropped off in quality when they can't even spell players' names properly. Sheesh.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | January 20, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

KC will want Okung most of all. Seattle will take either Eric Berry or Joe Haden (reppin PG county)

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Can somone tell me why Okung is not an absolute no-brainer in the first round, staying where we are - 4th overall.

A Samuels replacement who will be the blindside guardian for a decade or more. Absolute no-brainer!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst
===========================

To me it is an absolute no brainer. There are people here who spend so much time thinking about it, that their brains have nothing better to do than rationalize other options. Such as:

1) How often do you get a chance at a top QB like this?

2) ooooo look at that shiny defensive player!

IMO #1 is void because none of the QBs in this draft look good. #2 is void because no position on defense is as poorly filled OR as strongly tied to potential success, as is the our LT position.

Okung both immediately makes our team better, and makes it better in the far long term. His impact would be significantly greater than any other position available (excluding a godlike QB which doesn't exist this year anyway).

But maybe I'm just not rationalizing hard enough.

Posted by: REXskins | January 20, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I hate the fact that Kiper just came out with his new Mock and we are still slated to take a Freaking QB - Sam Bradford at that - which to me makes no sense, just to injury prone.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 20, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

His name is "Byron" Westbrook. You know the Post has dropped off in quality when they can't even spell players' names properly. Sheesh.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | January 20, 2010 1:30 PM

And you know the quality of the RI posts is kaput when posters are complaining about typos. Takes all kinds.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I forgot:

3) trading down will get us more OL.

This may be true, however I think a potential 10 year starting LT is better than two 2nd round OL, even if they also start for 10 years but not at LT. LT is that important.

Posted by: REXskins | January 20, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

KC will want Okung most of all. Seattle will take either Eric Berry or Joe Haden (reppin PG county)

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2010 1:30 PM |

Seattle will take a QB, remeber who there coach and GM is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

what are KC and Seattle looking for in the draft? Since they draft right after us, we have the most leverage with them. Maybe draft a player they want and make a trade etc?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, both have lots of needs but I'm guessing you only want to know who they may target with their first rounder(s)

KC could take Okung. They could move Albert back to guard and fix 2 needs on the line with one pick.

They really need a safety and a nose tackle too. Terrence Cody probably won't be the #5 pick overall. Berry is a possibility if Okung is gone. They really need help in the secondary. The linemen they need are mostly interior linemen and can be found later in the draft. Hopefully they covet Okung or Berry but they'll probably just take whatever falls to them.

Seattle could be targeting a top left tackle as well. Some have them taking a QB. They are kind of like us. They have an average QB that got his head kicked in this year. On defense I wouldn't rule anything out. They have a lot of older vets and a lot of them got injured last year. I could see any of the top tackles and pretty much the best defensive player available taken here. I doubt they covet any one player.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Look I was just giving the numbers from the chart. Its not a perfect science. I stand by the list of teams I could see moving up, it all depends on who's available sure.

But the simple fact is that the Skins need to try and turn their first 2 picks into ideally 5 picks out of the first 100. 5 picks on guys who could become a starter in 2 years. You turn that into 3 O-Linemen a free safety and a RB, thats a good draft for this team long term.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Pa,

If KC does want Okung, what if anything do they have that we would want to upgrade our team? We need many players, not one or two IMHO. I think this is a three year rebuild at least.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I feel like teams searching for a QB are going to be the ones looking at a trade up. That leaves:

9. Buffalo
10. Denver
13/16. San Francisco
26. Arizona

29. Minnesota

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Can somone tell me why Okung is not an absolute no-brainer in the first round, staying where we are - 4th overall.

A Samuels replacement who will be the blindside guardian for a decade or more. Absolute no-brainer!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I need to say that I have been for drafting Okung at #4, if he is available.

The argument for not taking him if he is available is that KC seems to covet him. If our scouts and T_E's think there is not too much fall off from him to one of the other OT's, then we could swap our pick for the #5 pick, and get an improvement in our draft selections later in the draft. Also, it depends on how highly they rate Berry, who is supposed to be the next Ed Reed.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Can somone tell me why Okung is not an absolute no-brainer in the first round, staying where we are - 4th overall.

A Samuels replacement who will be the blindside guardian for a decade or more. Absolute no-brainer!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 20, 2010 1:17 PM"

1) Okung might not be the best LT in the Shanahan system.

2) If other teams want him bad enough, it will allow Washington to trade down.

3) Samuels still has a few years left, though LT depth is a need.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

ChrisWoody
"Anybody find it odd that he didn't mention Dirty 30?! Move him back to his original spot and lets see if he has a better year."
-----------------------------------------
I thought the same thing when i read this article, there was no mention of Landry at all. Nothing....i find that odd. wonder if we are supposed to read into that......

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | January 20, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Pa,

If KC does want Okung, what if anything do they have that we would want to upgrade our team? We need many players, not one or two IMHO. I think this is a three year rebuild at least.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I really like Glen Dorsey and I think he fits our 4-3 far better than he fits their 3-4. They are in the middle of a scheme change so there may be some more quality 4-3 players that they may not want or need. Then again we don't know what scheme we are running next year either.

The trouble with working out a deal between us and them is that we are both pretty talent deficient. Where do have extra players? I don't think we have any extra players. All I see on our roster are a couple of great depth players we could stand to lose for the right price. I could see them wanting 1 of our tight ends or one of our strong safeties. They would have to give us draft picks or players in return. I don't know who else I'd want from their team that they could part with. The trouble is that they have a really smart GM. We probably aren't going to pull one over on Scott Pioli.

KC has:
Glen Dorsey
2 2nd rounders
#5 overall pick

We have
2 TEs (I wouldn't trade a TE)
3 Strong safeties
#4 overall pick

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Half of the league's starting LT's were NOT drafted in round 1. It is not a no-brainer to select a LT with the 4th pick. It is a quarterback league and you must take advantage when you're picking in the top 5....PERIOD. Pick the QB. Franchises struggle for years searching for a QB. The Skins must act now and develop him behind JC for one year. LT can be addressed in round 2.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I trust that Shanahans low picks will be good players. I thought he did a good job in the draft in Denver so I think he will do the same here.

Posted by: wattsicon | January 20, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I hate the fact that Kiper just came out with his new Mock and we are still slated to take a Freaking QB - Sam Bradford at that - which to me makes no sense, just to injury prone.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 20, 2010 1:33 PM |

I wouldn't put too much into Mel Kiper's draft ability. He is rated 19th at accuracy by the Huddle report.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 20, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Half of the league's starting LT's were NOT drafted in round 1. It is not a no-brainer to select a LT with the 4th pick. It is a quarterback league and you must take advantage when you're picking in the top 5....PERIOD. Pick the QB. Franchises struggle for years searching for a QB. The Skins must act now and develop him behind JC for one year. LT can be addressed in round 2.

Posted by: tramellcanady

1) I challenge you to prove your statistic
2) None of the QBs are worthy of a first round pick.

Posted by: REXskins | January 20, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

3) Samuels still has a few years left, though LT depth is a need.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse
Umm.. I don't know if you heard, but Samuels suffered a potential career ending injury. Trading down in the 2nd round is something the Skins could look into as well.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

What should the Skins do at #4 if the Lions take Okung at #2?

Posted by: daghost | January 20, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree that if healthy Barnes will eventually be a player. Decent value in round 3. And Tryon has flashes. Safety's seem OK if they move Laron to SS. But between Smoot and Carlos R. something is missing. I think we need to get Bruce to earn his money and find us a FA corner or high draft CB.

Posted by: ElYeah | January 20, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

What should the Skins do at #4 if the Lions take Okung at #2?

Posted by: daghost | January 20, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Trade back or take Berry if he's available I gather.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

For everyone who keeps insisting to switch Landry back to SS cause that's his natural position and that will remedy what ails him - HE STILL HAS TO COVER AND TACKLE!!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Heyyyyy….I don’t know if anyone noticed, but he didn’t say anything about Landry being good. Anyone else notice this? Wonder what it means?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 20, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Samuels still has a few years left, though LT depth is a need.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Not without risking paralysis

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 20, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Samuels still has a few years left, though LT depth is a need.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse


Vinny? GET OF THE BLOG VINNY!

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, everybody!

So, Skins pick #4, I say we take Tim Tebow.

He's really poised in the pocket, he can run, and he's a winner, unlike our current QB (ha ha ha).

What do you guys think? Tebow in the first, and THEN what? Maybe a kicker in the second?

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 20, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

What do you guys think? Tebow in the first, and THEN what? Maybe a kicker in the second?

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 20, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Palease..WR in the 1st and TE in the second. Now that feels right.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Uhhhh, what team are we talking about? Gray is full of sh**! The Skins secondary was AWFUL - Hall couldn't tackle my mother, Rogers couldn't catch a ball if you taped it to his hands, Smoot has been overated forever, Moore is dazed and confused, Tryon was burned right and left, Landry consistently misses tackles just so he can have one big hit per game and look like a hero. Jerry Gray should be embarrased - what kind of stratgey is it to give receivers 20 yards off scrimadge so they can catch 10 yard passess all day long. Get rid of all of them! Glad Gray is oughta here - no business even being considered for head coach. Glad Blache is gone too - FAREWELL!!

Posted by: pwflew1 | January 20, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"No way this is one of the best secondaries in the NFL. They benefited from a stong defensive line and still could not get any INTs..... "

When you play zone the whole game it's tough, especially in Blache's weak crap that left holes over the middle every time. That's all the Eagles and Dallas did the last couple of games, thier WR's just sat in the soft spots in those zones. I keep saying it, the players here on defense succeeded despite Blache's 1970 schemes. It looked nothing like Grilliams D's.

I think the DB's ARE really good, certainly as good as any other team. But the one weak link is Landry. He just sucks so bad.

He's a bust in every sense on the word. Then he shows off when he actually makes a tackle...one tackle? He just doesn't have the football intellegence to succeed.

He's the Kwame Brown of football.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 20, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

For everyone who keeps insisting to switch Landry back to SS cause that's his natural position and that will remedy what ails him - HE STILL HAS TO COVER AND TACKLE!!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 2:20 PM

You've got a point. He's been playing like a home-run hitter... he either gets the big hit or misses and looks silly.

Posted by: olavsmith | January 20, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"If these guys are so great, why did they keep getting burned for big plays and key first downs?"

Again: the team needs a big time shut down corner.

That plus press coverage would be some nice changes to an otherwise disappointing secondary.

I mean: F Smoot is a goner.

C Rogers and L Landry are both playing out of position--one should be a free safety, the other a strong safety.

And K Barnes--a high pick--deserves face time.

But still, the skins could pick up a solid corner and big linebacker this off season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

it's official new OC, QB and TE coaches

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 20, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Pizza news: University of Northern Iowa police spokesman Dave Zariffs says officers responded to a door alarm at Mojo's Pizza House in Cedar Falls about 2 a.m. on Monday. When they arrived they found Rinehart pulling on a locked door.

Check out the first comment...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Half of the league's starting LT's were NOT drafted in round 1. It is not a no-brainer to select a LT with the 4th pick. It is a quarterback league and you must take advantage when you're picking in the top 5....PERIOD. Pick the QB. Franchises struggle for years searching for a QB. The Skins must act now and develop him behind JC for one year. LT can be addressed in round 2.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse
2 thoughts, trammellcanady. How many all-pro LT's, or even top 5-10 LT's, are taken after 1st round. I'm sure you can find a couple, but I doubt if you find many. Also, which QB do you think is worth a #4 pick? From what I have been hearing, none of the qb's in the draft is really highly rated, as in "can't fail".

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Problem WAS offensive line; solution DRAFT the best offensive linemen available. All this other stuff is fantasy talk. And that my friends is the state of the Redskins!!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | January 20, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so Hall can do this that and the other thing, but can he make a tackle or did we not work on that stuff!

Posted by: joeboggs | January 20, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the next secondary coach will re-train all of the secondary on how to intercept balls and make tackles...oh..did I mention defending the double move..Move Laron Landry to OLB so he doesn't have to worry about getting smoked by a WR.

Posted by: mmcghee701 | January 20, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The mock draft on NFL.com published by Bucky Brooks has the Redskins taking Trent Williams. They are saying Detroit won't pass up on Okung. I am okay with that. Williams has a lot of upside and he's not a reach at #4. I wish there was a way they could trade down and end up with both Bruce Campbell and Selvish Capers, but I can't see that happening unless Suh impossibly drops to #4. In Bucky's mock, he has Suh going at numero uno.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

just wanted to make a comment about chad rinehart's arrest. Iowa is a different world from what we know here. I have two close friends that grew up there and they tell me the cops will lock you up if they even suspect you of being drunk. There is literally nothing for these cops to do, the people in Iowa don't even lock their doors (completely true). Its nonsense. Can you imagine if this cop was in adams morgan on a saturday night, like, are you going to arrest 5000 25 year old people on the street because they had a few drinks dude? Chad was not driving, not fighting, not urinating, not trespassing, not loitering, not being beligerant, otherwise he would have been charged with open container, destruction of property, trespassing, disorderly conduct, something... Guarantee the charges are dropped. What a punk cop to arrest someone for trying to get a slice after having a few beers. He is training with his old college strength coach to rehab his knee in iowa, the man is entitled to have a couple cold ones in the offseason. Some chump cop just made the poor mans roster spot in jeopardy and thats just not right.

Posted by: terpskinzorioless | January 20, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What was the name of the pizza place? I would like to know since it was open at 2:00am

Posted by: richardgovea | January 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Fellas who does it take longer to develop a QB or LT?

Posted by: yondego | January 20, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Seems like Landry gave up on the team concept this season and spent his time freelancing and headhunting. Other teams noticed and targeted him and were successful - especially given the last-line-of-defense role he often played.

I won't allow myself to believe he shouldn't be back there in some capacity. That said, as a FS - he got some pretty good schooling this year.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 20, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

dhall is so overrated, and this guy is on his nuts. what a joke.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 20, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Watch out! This man is up to something! There is a reason that he is praising the Redskins players! Best secondary in the league my foot! Only one player that he talked about can catch the ball! I think the man has gone all Vinny C. on us! Yes, I left them with a playoff team! OK Yea RIGHT!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 20, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Please,Please,Please,Please DRAFT LINEMEN!!!!! Oh BTW F-Dallas !

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 20, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray is an ASS ! Don't let the door hit ya. He was the worst coach on defense, period ! Way too much talent to be this bad.
Lets get some big-ass talented O-Lineman and fix the secondary !
It's great we finally seem to be running a football team the right way.
Anyone like the idea of a uniform change of some sort ? Seems to make a difference with alot of teams for some reason.

Posted by: royboyskinsfan1 | January 20, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Uniform change,I am not sold on that yet. I would like to say that I hope that they never change the emblem on the helmet! I love that indian head! The arrow and the big R incircled were so bland! That being said, I will love and root for the Redskins untill the day I die!! F-Dallas!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 20, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Inquiring minds want to know. Why did Gray not mention one of the best known members of Washington's secondary, Laron Landry?

Somebody man up and tell us, or find out(Mr.Reid) why J.Gray omitted L.Landry's name in summarizing the personnel of Washinton's secondary.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 20, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Anytime you mention a players potential, your talking about a player who is underachieving. Who in that secondary is a playmaker?

Posted by: scottrowland | January 20, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

was the miss on laron landry on purpose??? how come the writer didn't ask prior to publishing? why didn't the copy editors ask the writer????? gee, WP???

Posted by: dcjazzman | January 21, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

was the miss on laron landry on purpose??? how come the writer didn't ask prior to publishing? why didn't the copy editors ask the writer????? gee, WP???

Posted by: dcjazzman | January 21, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

tebow is not a pro quarterback. PERIOD. if you don't recognize that immediately, something is loose in your brain locker. the kid has done exactly what he did at florida all of his life: run first, pass 2nd. it is not in his makeup to stay in the pocket. and moving pockets are problematic (i think) in the nfl. i'll be he could be trained up to be a good linebacker, though!

Posted by: dcjazzman | January 21, 2010 2:17 AM | Report abuse

OK, so then, it's settled... Tebow with the first pick at #4...

NOW, we need a few receivers and a punter. Or just take the "best" player on the board, like has worked so well for us in the past.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 21, 2010 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Gray praises potential of secondary he leaves behind..... WTF !!! Yea they can potentially catch the ball for an interception, potentially tackle, and play 10 yards off the receiver. What was Gray smoking??..His socks??? Was he watching the same games we where??? If he thinks their play from last season was top flight, we should be glad to be rid of him.

Posted by: dc4life | January 21, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

You little Sports fan kills me. Like u can go out and cover anybody. Gray didnt say the secondary was the best he said they have the potential to be the best.. With the right coaching and discpline thats needed... You guys still talking ERci berry( the next ed reed)are u serious! Please all hype u guys live in fantasy land so what he the best safety in college football dont mean it carry over to the NFL.You dont even know this guy work ethic, or what he likes when get this big contract so hold off on the comparison .. Hell i can be the next Kobe bryant( if thats the case)

Posted by: chinngy23 | January 21, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

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