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Hall happy to have Haynesworth at his back

Shortly after the Redskins signed defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth in February, cornerback DeAngelo Hall said he was happy that "the league's best defensive player is on my team."

Hall and Haynesworth have become friends during their first season together on the Redskins, which was evident early in the fourth quarter of the 45-12 loss to the New York Giants at FedEx Field. Haynesworth quickly rushed to the aid of Hall, who was entangled in an altercation with Giants running back Brandon Jacobs.

Although none of his punches appeared to connect, Haynesworth could face disciplinary action from the league because of his on-field conduct. Hall appreciates the support, he said.

"Al's definitely been a big brother to me out there on that field, holding it down for me," Hall said. "I definitely, definitely appreciate that guy coming over, and not only just coming over and helping me out. He knows when he's going out there and he's throwing 'em, he going to be writing a check, too, a couple of days later. He's still the first one over there."

After the Redskins' abysmal performance against the Giants, Hall said he is eager to return to the field. The Redskins play host to the Dallas Cowboys in their FedEx Field season finale on Sunday night.

"I was ready the next day," Hall said. "Anytime you put that kind of performance out there on the field, you definitely want to get that taste out your mouth. I think the guys in this locker room are definitely ready for the Cowboys."

Despite the turmoil in the organization this season, the players have remained unified, Hall said. "It's easy from the outside to kind of look at it and say, 'These guys have finally given up,' because it does seem like that. You put out there a great effort, after great effort, after great effort, and you come up short, and then you put out the kind of performance we put out on 'Monday Night Football,' which supposed to be the biggest stage and guys are supposed to bring their 'A' game because the world's watching.

"When you go out there and you put that kind of egg out there it's hard for that smell to go away. Luckily enough, we get another opportunity. We get another prime-time audience. Another great opponent; NFC opponent. Another team that's pretty darn good, fighting to stay alive in the playoffs. So we've got the same caliber of opponent. This is a chance to redeem ourselves."

By Jason Reid  |  December 23, 2009; 2:52 PM ET
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Comments

FIRST to say, talk is cheap. Let your pick six do the talkin'!

Posted by: HTTR | December 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Hunter Smith should be the offensive MVP of this sorry team.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that Jerry Jones has decided on the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys, and has apparently added a weight clause to the Contract he'll soon be offering Gregg Williams. First reported by skinball on the Washington Post Redskins Insider, PFT has learned that along with lipsuction, Jones wants Gregg to have his face redone, to look like Jerry's does."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, surprisingly enough, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

DEBACLE ’09 ® got particularly ugly on Monday night, as the Skins had a case of Montezuma’s, errr, Vincent’s Revenge. How to sum up the Cerrato era? Simple. Vinny Cerrato did the one thing that all bosses hate. He made the boss look bad. Clearly Cerrato served Snyder poorly, so today I’ll cover his key failings.

Three years ago, I wrote that it would make sense for the Redskins to draft ONLY offensive linemen. Why? Because it takes a player a couple years to develop and the existing OL would be pretty old in a couple years. Plus the draft is always hit and miss, no one gets it right every time. It was time to restock.

In the last 3 years, the Skins drafted 1 OL and the results show on the field. I could see it coming, so why didn’t Vinny? I’m not the one who got paid a huge salary to see it coming. The fact is that teams like the Colts, Steelers, Giants and Patriots all spend roughly 1/3 of their early and mid round draft picks on linemen (OL + DL), while the Redskins drafted 1/3 that number.

Since 2003, the Skins drafted 4 tight ends and 4 OL. The results are unsurprising. We have 2 fine tight ends, but a poor OL. We are well below league average in yards per carry and have one of the most sacked QBs – despite a schedule that is among the weakest in NFL history.

Of course, there are 5 OL guys on the field every play, but only 1 TE is on the field most of the time. Picking the same number of TE as OL over an extended period isn’t a bad strategy, it is no strategy.

Which is key issue #1: Vinny never had a strategy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Despite the turmoil in the organization this season, the players have remained unified, Hall said.

This is why only Haynesworth came to his aid when the Jacobs was throttling him. The players are unified.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES: Part 2

The acumen of the people that made the big decisions was problematic. Redskins management wanted Jay Cutler and were willing to give up Jason Campbell and the pick that became Brian Orakpo. Perhaps the team was willing to part with even more, if press reports were accurate. At the time of the rumors, I wondered if Cutler was better than Campbell, straight up. Based on 2009, I doubt many people would say Cutler has been better than Campbell or would take Cutler over Orakpo. Let alone take Cutler for both.

Ochocinco is another case where Redskins management was willing to part with a lot to get a little. In both cases, these were major decisions and Cerrato had to be on board with both of them. They were also both very foolish decisions. In both cases, the Redskins were bailed out by greater fools.

The strangest move has to be the hiring of Zorn. It is pretty obvious that Zorn isn’t the guy and hiring him was a big mistake. According to reports, it was Cerrato that pushed for Zorn to get the HC job.

Jason Taylor cost this team plenty, in money and draft picks. Could one of those picks been used to get Loadholdt or Vollmer or Unger? Yes.

This is key issue #2: Vinny was inconsistent in assessing top level talent and making the high impact decisions.

One of the things that stood out the past few weeks are the players cashing paychecks but not playing. This isn’t a surprise, since several of the guys had injury histories and/or are up in years. Haynesworth, Hall, Samuels, Thomas, Portis, Cooley. Running backs got old quickly in this league, yet Portis got a pay increase into his declining years.

Money is a resource Dan Snyder has in abundance. But the money being spent has not been used effectively. Since there is a cap, misusing money does create a challenge for the organization. It can also create tensions between highly paid stars and others.

This is key issue #3: From a management perspective, this team misuses its monetary resources.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Yup, cause we play so well during prime time.

Hopefully we wear the burgundy on burgundy again, thats a real good luck charm.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES: Part 3

Another issue that stunned me was the decision to do a radio show. Now perhaps radio is in Vinny’s future. But it certainly did little to help him do his primary job. By doing this radio show on a Snyder owned media property, Vinny became the de facto PR voice of the organization. In all candor, this plays to multiple weaknesses, but it boils down to one.

This is key issue #4: A failure to use your time wisely coupled with a failure to recognize your weaknesses

Last comes an issue about which I can only speculate. I’ve seen the symptoms, but there is limited direct knowledge or reporting on this. It is this. Vinny was very political and very self-serving within the organization. It seemed like Vinny wanted any ‘greatness’ to be his, not something he had to share with others. I got a strong sense this is what drove Vinny to remove the ghost of Joe Gibbs as rapidly as possible. Vinny wanted to make his mark on this team, and any Gibbs legacy would have the potential to undermine that. He also appeared reluctant to hire anyone who might challenge his authority. Further, he engaged in side business deals with Snyder, those have been reported. And, as was reported on recently, Vinny indicated to a former coach that he would be the one Snyder ultimately listened to since he would be the one sitting next to Snyder at the critical moments. All of this was self-serving.

Key issue #5: Vinny’s agenda was more about Vinny and less about the team

There will always be the question of what real power and decision making authority belonged to Cerrato. We may never know if Vinny failed to have sufficient influence in the organization when the owner went off track or if Vinny was at the helm on many of the poor decisions.

Earlier this year, Cerrato claimed that this roster was playoff-level talent. Truth is, he was right. There was lots of talent, but it was always highly vulnerable to injury. It is not hard to get talent when you spend the most money, and when you spend the most money, it shouldn’t be hard to field a top 10 team. We’re in the bottom 10. That result belongs with management. Since the owner won’t fire the owner, he fires the person who made the owner look bad. Above all, that was Vinny Cerrato’s biggest mistake.

And that is it for this week’s Merry Christmas edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you once again by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully we wear the burgundy on burgundy again, thats a real good luck charm.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 23, 2009 3:04 PM |

Zorn's last home game so we'll probably go with the maroon and black. God, was that an omen or what?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Soup: Sandlot, anyone?

If the coaches are going to fail him, he may as well start calling a game himself. Worst to worst, they bench him and he doesn't get sacked.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

from the Times:

Bruce Allen is watching practice for the first time since being named Washington's general manager last Thursday. It's Allen's first Redskins practice since 1977, his father's last season as the team's coach-GM.

All the players were working except receiver Devin Thomas, who sprained his right ankle on Monday against the Giants. Thomas still expects to play Sunday against Dallas.

-- David Elfin

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"When you go out there and you put that kind of egg out there it's hard for that smell to go away. Luckily enough, we get another opportunity. We get another prime-time audience. Another great opponent; NFC opponent. Another team that's pretty darn good, fighting to stay alive in the playoffs. So we've got the same caliber of opponent. This is a chance to redeem ourselves."

This iartuclate and pure BS.

You don't 'redeem' yourself by playing a good game vs dallas. You are 4-10. I swear this is what is wrong with these guys. They think if they do 1 thing right, it makes up for 10 screw-ups.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

From the times:

Bruce Allen is watching practice for the first time since being named Washington's general manager last Thursday. It's Allen's first Redskins practice since 1977, his father's last season as the team's coach-GM.

All the players were working except receiver Devin Thomas, who sprained his right ankle on Monday against the Giants. Thomas still expects to play Sunday against Dallas.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

just got off the phone with Gregg William's sister and she confirmed the second G was for Genius.

Posted by: Diesel44

Ok so I post something that is relative news and no one in skin nation cares? You would rather mock? I don't get it.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 2:55 PM

Sorry Dude, don't be so sensitive.

As far as Mocks, I'd be cool with http://www.walterfootball.com/ mock where take Bruce Campbell OT and Jevan Best RB, 1 & 2.

I'm a little concerned with Best's latest concussion and how it's sidelined him for almost 2 months. Maybe take Spiller and then go for Ciron Black in the 2nd.

As far as Gregg, I just got off the phone with Gregg William's sister's husband and he wants to know why I'm talking to his wife.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

iartuclate?? darn did I ever mangle that one!! Was supposed to be 'is articulate', but wasn't even close ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Jerry Jones has decided on the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys, and has apparently added a weight clause to the Contract he'll soon be offering Gregg Williams. First reported by skinball on the Washington Post Redskins Insider, PFT has learned that along with lipsuction, Jones wants Gregg to have his face redone, to look like Jerry's does."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

So tell me again why you are being a jerk? I mean its not liek i am a Dallas fan, i am a Skins fan just like you. I mean i guess i just dont get it.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

skinball77 I'll bite. When did GG interview? I think it's ggreat that he'll be the HC in Dallas. Seems like JC has his defense pretty much figured out. Jerry Gray should be his DC.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

why are you blaming me for what PFT wrote??

everyone does that, and it drives me CRAZY....what do you think I make this stuff up??....did they retract this story??

I put it in quotes...so that means its legit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Jerry Jones has decided on the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys, and has apparently added a weight clause to the Contract he'll soon be offering Gregg Williams. First reported by skinball on the Washington Post Redskins Insider, PFT has learned that along with lipsuction, Jones wants Gregg to have his face redone, to look like Jerry's does."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

So tell me again why you are being a jerk? I mean its not liek i am a Dallas fan, i am a Skins fan just like you. I mean i guess i just dont get it.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:13 PM
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They're so cute when they're young and naive...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I just got off the phone with Gregg William's sister's husband's sister's cousin Leroy..... He said that Gregg will coach the Titans next year and we will sign Jeff Fisher....

Posted by: VicDamone | December 23, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

rsh, I mean, I almost feel bad.....like almost...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

why are you blaming me for what PFT wrote??

everyone does that, and it drives me CRAZY....what do you think I make this stuff up??....did they retract this story??

I put it in quotes...so that means its legit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 3:19 PM
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You are so going to burn in journalist's hell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 23, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I am not asking anyone to bite, i just had some news that was pertinent to skins fans so i threw it on there.

There has been no ifficial interview, just that the job is Gregg's if he wants it, it sounds like it has been offered to him.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams said he has decided to invest in Soul Glo..... He was teaming with Jackson Hieghts own Randy Watson.....

Posted by: VicDamone | December 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams said he has decided to invest in Soul Glo..... He was teaming with Jackson Hieghts own Randy Watson.....

Posted by: VicDamone | December 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

This is unreal. I seriously can't beleive that fans of the same team would flame a fellow fan.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"When you go out there and you put that kind of egg out there it's hard for that smell to go away."

Hall, maybe it's because you're the "gump ass bama smelling", as red would say.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm out, Merry Christmas everyone...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahahahahaha...

Beans made the dude cry.... over a -- wait for it -- one of his patented fake pft not articles.

Whahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

happy ho ho, Beaner!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Lmao @ the ballon boy parents...

idiots...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

beantown = blog bully

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This is unreal. I seriously can't beleive that fans of the same team would flame a fellow fan.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:26 PM

Welcome Committee....paging the Welcome Committee....

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse


This is unreal. I seriously can't beleive that fans of the same team would flame a fellow fan.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:26 PM
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Dude, relax. Anytime you see Bean posting any "PFT reports", he's making it up.

It's called humor.

Get it?

Posted by: smurff11 | December 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Go Falcon, Go!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Skinball77: "Man my grandmama gave me that chain."

"Aw he gonna cry in the car."

Posted by: RedDMV | December 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, I heard from a blogger's friend's blogger's friend's fellow blogger that you're going to the [F] Dallas game Sunday.

If you want to have drinks and eats with a bama (4th), an Aussie (Kost), and a whatever the heck I am, tough shti, you're not invited.
Kidding, kidding...see, skinball77, we mess with each other up here.
Red, we're still planning it, but we'll definitely have good drinks, good eats, and good peeps.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

As of this past June, in a ranking of defensive coordinators, Blache (6) was ranked higher than Grilliams (13).

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-06-03/defensive-coordinator-rankings-lebeau-knows

I bet Jerry Gray might be legit when he says he did not interview for the HC position ... but I suspect that he already has had a sitdown with Shanahan re: the defensive coordinator position. The more I think about it, the more important it seems to get a solid (and fast) free safety ... maybe in free agency rather than the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Of course these two thugs would become fast friends...

Posted by: nojunk4me | December 23, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Just got off the phone with GG's mistress. Said Tiger was better, but GG was smarter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

... and a whatever the heck I am, ...

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 3:43 PM

... disembodied voice (and blog post bot) generated by an artificial intelligence ...

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

STFU, junk.

What have Stompy & DHall done since they were here other than play hard & do well?

ITA, from tha gitgo.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 23, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

sween! You live in the city. If you know of any internet cafes that still have dial up access, holler at kost...he's looking. I tried the googles, and gave him the few results I got.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

You just happened to post the sort of thing that people have been having fun with lately, bad timing. In a forum of hearsay, people become fixated on facts up here. You lobbed a softball.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 23, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

As of this past June, in a ranking of defensive coordinators, Blache (6) was ranked higher than Grilliams (13).

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-06-03/defensive-coordinator-rankings-lebeau-knows


Posted by: dcsween

LeBeau looks a lot less smart with Polumalu out. Blache looks a lot less smart when the jints roll all over his defense. GG looks smarter when his defense is getting lots of turnovers.

Things change. How about that?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

This has been the most sickening year in a long while. Can we just get Shanahan in here already

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 23, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Check out the top rated free agent corner:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/db.html

I've decided that Antoine Bethea (Clots) is the free agent safety I think the Skins should poach. Howard Univerity alum.

4-12, he's killing time till we hook up for dinner. Who uses dial up? Does his computer have a rotary dial?

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

or Nick Collins (Green Bay) ...

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

4-12, do you want dallas to beat the skins and have your name/handle finally come true after 4 years?

GG looks HORRIBLE!!! the guy makes wade phillips look skinny...actually he makes tuna looks skinny. he just BLEW UP...and is getting bigger every week...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 23, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

LeBeau looks a lot less smart with Polumalu out. ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:53 PM

Disagree ... LeBeau is still the shni. He's still smart without Polomalu, just not successful.

If the Packers make it into the wild card race, I think they win that and beat out whoever comes next and make it to the conference game. They are hot right now, they finally figured out their offensive line, and their defense rocks.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Is it even possible at this point that we don't get Shanahan?

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | December 23, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I've been wondering this for months now. Diesel44, did you happen to graduate from Centralia (Kansas) high school in 1967?

Posted by: boothintexas | December 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

greg, you should be picked up for abusing a minor...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

or Nick Collins (Green Bay) ...

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 3:56 PM

That's the one I'd go after as well.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL well i thank you all for proving my point!!

I am not crying i just was taken aback that people from the same tribe would lash out, but whatever.

I treat Dallas fans this way, weird to hear it from my own.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it even possible at this point that we don't get Shanahan?

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | December 23, 2009 4:01 PM

Yes, The Owner is still competing with Jerry Jones in Dallas and whoever in Chicago. Money alone won't do it for Shanahan ... he can require that the ownership meet all of his demands.

Also, I think Donald Penn (OT, Tampa Bay) is my free agent choice for O-line:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

LeBeau is still the shni.

No, no, Cowher is the chni.

Posted by: daggar | December 23, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

sween- He said he needed dial up. Maybe wifi hasn't crossed the Pacific yet?

dealer- F Dallas.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I treat Dallas fans this way, weird to hear it from my own.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:03 PM

skinball77, welcome ... but please be forewarned, there are some peeps up here who emulate and admire what it means to be the kind of "fan" that follows Philly. We got some real pieces of ... work.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Yes, The Owner is still competing with Jerry Jones in Dallas and whoever in Chicago. Money alone won't do it for Shanahan ... he can require that the ownership meet all of his demands.
Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

After this debacle of a season I would hope Snyder would throw in a "reach around" if that's what it would take.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | December 23, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

sween- He said he needed dial up.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 4:07 PM

that would explain the 8-track tape he uses as external memory

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

After this debacle of a season I would hope Snyder would throw in a "reach around" if that's what it would take.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | December 23, 2009 4:09 PM

Actually, that is one of the things he requires of his head coaches ... and where Grilliams drew the line.

It'll be a solid offer though ... there'll be a ham sandwich in there for Shanahan.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of that old Irish blessing:

May the road rise to meet you,
May the Haynesworth be always at your back...

I'm guessing what Kost needs is one of those joints where you can rent a computer and access to teh internets for an hour or two. That's what he needed in Portland. Since he's traveling without a lapto(u)p and can't check email and the Blog and such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

skinball77, welcome ... but please be forewarned, there are some peeps up here who emulate and admire what it means to be the kind of "fan" that follows Philly. We got some real pieces of ... work.

Posted by: dcsween

Why the hell would we want to emulate philly fans? They freaking boo'ed Santa. Oh well glad i am out here in Missouri!! I think it is safer.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

skinball, if you're in Missouruh that means you get Skins at Rams next season... I say that as a person lamenting that it won't be Skins at Seahawks... stupid Seahawks, being less awful than the Rams this season and screwing me out of another Redskin game in Seattle...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking RedDMV's silence regarding my invite to mean, "Uh, freak-nuts...I don't hang out with people I meet on the webtubes."

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

... They freaking boo'ed Santa. ...

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:16 PM

They booed Santa. They threw beer on Portis' mom. They booed Michael Irvin as he was taken off the field unconscious after the last play of his career. They throw batteries. They boo McNabb. Did you see the three minute snowball pelt of two guys wearing SF jerseys (last week) on youtube? They are miserable, unhappy people who hate and boo everything and everybody. The only way to get them to shut up is for the Eagles to win, in which case, they go quiet for a while.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

skinball, if you're in Missouruh that means you get Skins at Rams next season... I say that as a person lamenting that it won't be Skins at Seahawks... stupid Seahawks, being less awful than the Rams this season and screwing me out of another Redskin game in Seattle...

Posted by: NateinthePDX

I have been lucky, i went to Skins VS Detroit due to a friend that works at Ford like 4/5 years ago, went to Skins VS tennessee @ Tennessee 6 years ago, GG got me tickets to Skins VS Tennessee at Fed Ex 3 years ago...so i will probably make it to the St Louis game.

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Philly "fans" have been booing McNabb since the moment he was drafted ... literally ... at the draft ceremony in New York.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about this? Talk on ESPN insider (which is actually one of the better ESPN products, unlike that tripe analysis they often have on TV) is that DeAngelo Williams might be on the trading block. WE HAVE TO GET HIM! WE NEED TO GET HIM FROM CAROLINA.

Bruce Allen needs to call up the Panthers, given them Cooley and a conditional 2nd/3rd round for the 2011 draft.

DeAngelo could solve our RB issues without right away. Thoughts?

(Oh yeah, I am hung up on trading Cooley.)

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

LeBeau looks a lot less smart with Polumalu out. ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 3:53 PM

Disagree ... LeBeau is still the shni. He's still smart without Polomalu, just not successful.

******

Really? LeBeau's defense, featuring the defensive player of the year James Harrison, was so bad Tomlin decided to use an onside kick with 3 minutes left -- with the Lead!!!! Because he knew GB would score no matter what and he figured it would be better if they scored quickly so there was time left for his offense to come back.

Sure LeBeau is still smart, but having Troy back there is what made him a genius

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

So i ask again DCsween why do people here act liek them?

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

My disgust for the Philly "fans" is the reason I don't dislike the Eagles' roster ... they seem like under-appreciated lunch pail kinds of guys ... unlike the rosters of Dallas and NYG, who make me PUKE! [NYG doesn't really have "fans" as much as a bunch of chardonnay and brie picnic goers who acknowledge the team when they are up by about 20 points ... easiest home team "fans" to take out of a home game by scoring first.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

zce: "This iartuclate and pure BS."

What?

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"So yeah, thanks for taking my call, personnel guy at Carolina... we're thinking about offering you Chris Cooley and- what's that?... yep, that's right, it was a fracture... but hey, he's already much, much better... he could be playing right now, in fact, but we, uh, we IR'd him so the young guys could get some time... he's been a Pro Bowler, did you know that?... his wife is smokin' hot, dude... he's got a rockin' blog, too... hello?... hello?"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

IMO from someone who always reads and rarely posts, no one up here was acting like a philly fan. It is a blog and at times requires and needs humor, especially this season. How many posts can you possibly read about who we will draft and what will happen next. The posts were not knocking you just having fun. I laughed does that mean I am a philly fan or act like one?

Posted by: connskins | December 23, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So i ask again DCsween why do people here act liek them?

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:29 PM

They don't realize that The Owner has been turning them into sheep and to expect the results he think he can expect with the money he throws at his fantasy team.

This was the first season that I heard Skins "fans" at FedEx booing the team after a loss ... and I didn't think I'd see it, but the very next week, they booed the team after a win because it wasn't a win by a big enough margin.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

zce: "This iartuclate and pure BS."

What?

Posted by: Samson151

see my 3:11 post for the analysis of that one

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

IMO from someone who always reads and rarely posts, no one up here was acting like a philly fan. It is a blog and at times requires and needs humor, especially this season. How many posts can you possibly read about who we will draft and what will happen next. The posts were not knocking you just having fun. I laughed does that mean I am a philly fan or act like one?

Posted by: connskins

yes?

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Shut up Hall...you overpaid overrated piece of crap.

Posted by: beachskinsfan | December 23, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"So yeah, thanks for taking my call, personnel guy at Carolina... we're thinking about offering you Chris Cooley and- what's that?... yep, that's right, it was a fracture... but hey, he's already much, much better... he could be playing right now, in fact, but we, uh, we IR'd him so the young guys could get some time... he's been a Pro Bowler, did you know that?... his wife is smokin' hot, dude... he's got a rockin' blog, too... hello?... hello?"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 4:33 PM |

Actually, Nate, the GM of the Giants probably had a similar call to the Saints--except Shockey's injury was MUCH WORSE.

Actually, Nate, the GM of the Browns probably had a similar call to the TB--except Kellen Winslow was not a fan favorite, always hurt, and a sneeze away from a police lineup.

Actually, Nate, the GM of the Chiefs probably had a similar call to the Falcons--except the great Tony G. is 40+ older than Cooley.

Come on, man--pass catching TEs have really value these days--especially on teams like Carolina where they have a #1 receiver and a #6

COOLEY TO CAROLINA FOR D. WILLIAMS!

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 23, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

yes?

Posted by: skinball77

well ok, I guess

Posted by: connskins | December 23, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

connskins, my perspective about the fanbase is largely based on reactions up here and at FedEx. The fanbase has definitely taken a turn for the worse since about the time Al Saunders was brought in. I didn't see what whoever said to skinball, and I don't think Skins fans are the same as Philly fans (THAT would take a lot of work), but the growing sense of entitlement among the fanbase makes me want to associate myself the Skins followers rather than the Skins "fans."

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm coming around to drafting a QB early (though not Bradford or Clausen). That probably means that Campbell would not sign an RFA tender (which I don't think he'd do anyway) to play out a year as a caretaker till the new one is ready ... in which case, I'd want Pennington's agent on my speed dial. Clot Brennan is the wild card, but I assume some trade gets worked where Zorn can take Clot with him.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Atleast Albert Haynesworth looks out for his teammates when they are being assulted. First time they are starting to come together without thinking of ME! You can say all you want about Haignail but hes more effective then anyone else on the team.

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 23, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So i ask again DCsween why do people here act liek them?

Posted by: skinball77 | December 23, 2009 4:29 PM

Hey, skinball77, big virtual group hug! Let me share the one with you that I got this morning from dcsween -- right before he reminded us what a d-bag he thinks t_e_ is and handed out the customary "f Chris Larry." It's all in the spirit of the season!

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

zce: "Jason Taylor cost this team plenty, in money and draft picks. Could one of those picks been used to get Loadholdt or Vollmer or Unger? Yes."

Well, it could also have been used for David Veikune, the player with the NFL's best topknot, or Mohammed Massaquoi, or Pat White.

Because remember it was Vinny doing the drafting.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 23, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

sween, I don't know if it's so much a growing sense of entitlement as it is a growing sense of disenchantment.

Perhaps the fans/followers/hamsters HAVE finally realized "The Owner has been turning them into sheep"

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to say what Carolina will do, since they may have a new coach. Given that both of their RBs have injury histories, I'm guessing they know its good to have both guys. They won't part with either Williams or Stewart quickly or cheaply.

As for trading one of our TE's, I think that makes some sense. If Davis gets us a #1 pick and Cooley a #3, trade Davis. If they both get #2 picks, trade Cooley. If they both get #3 picks, keep them both.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm coming around to drafting a QB early (though not Bradford or Clausen). That probably means that Campbell would not sign an RFA tender (which I don't think he'd do anyway)

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 4:46 PM

I think he has to sign the tender (or not) before the draft, doesn't he?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

As for trading one of our TE's, I think that makes some sense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 4:50 PM

I'm against trading either of them and in favor of using them together more effectively.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"When you go out there and you put that kind of egg out there...:

Egg?

Is that what they are calling SH!T these days?

Posted by: edvar | December 23, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

You totally pwned me up there, Invisman52, thanks for breaking it down. I now agree with you that it's not only conceivable that Carolina would make such a trade, but I was foolish for ever thinking otherwise and downright reckless in making a joke about it. Great work!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 23, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

zce: "Jason Taylor cost this team plenty, in money and draft picks. Could one of those picks been used to get Loadholdt or Vollmer or Unger? Yes."

Well, it could also have been used for David Veikune, the player with the NFL's best topknot, or Mohammed Massaquoi, or Pat White.

Because remember it was Vinny doing the drafting.

Posted by: Samson151

A few extra details. Loadholdt, Vollmer and Unger are all starting OL that were picked in the 2nd round last year. All were selected after Pat White, who was the player Miami selected with the pick we gave up for Jason Taylor.

Loadholdt starts for the Vikes, Vollmer for the Pats and Unger for Seattle.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

League Source, and a very [insert appropriate adjective] Festivus to you!

You maybe right about the timing of restricted free agency ... I clipped and posted a link about the CBA/not CBA, but I didn't actually read it.

Is John Fox a defensive coach or an offensive side coach? Lovie Smith is defense, right? Right now, I'm thinking about Blache's replacement ... and who Shanahan might want.

4-12, sheep who are being served SOYLENT GREEN!

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

4-12, at FedEx prices, peeps are entitled to feel entitled.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

John Fox's j-o-b pre Panthers was Gints D-cord.

I am very pro-John Fox...I'd take him as d-cord in a hot minute and give him loooonnnggg consideration for HC.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

In terms of the TE's--
Davis won't get a #1, but I am sure Cooley can get a #2. (You know, sure in that I have no access to NFL teams sort of way but just talking out my ass--but that is what we do!)

I think, league source, that two TE sets are overrated. We need ONE great pass catching one (we have two) and 1 good blocking one who can slip out and catch the occasional pass (like Yoder--but he is probably gone after this year, I think. he's old or something.)

What the Colts do with Clark, we can do with Davis. Let him come off the line, split out and line him up against whoever the other team's equivalent to Laron Landry is and beat him in the open field on a simple slant pattern (guys I was at the Oakland game--you can't see it on TV sometimes, but it is AMAZING how often Landry is being beat but the rush is bailing him out. Actually, the Raiders burnt landry three times pretty good then.)

Trade Cooley for a good RB, or a #2 pick, or a #3 pick AND a RB with upside AND SPEED.

Bye, Cooley.

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 23, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Poopy-McPoop | December 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

As for trading one of our TE's, I think that makes some sense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 4:50 PM

I'm against trading either of them and in favor of using them together more effectively.

Posted by: League-Source

Are there offenses that have been used by successful teams based around a 2 TE set? It gets used from time to time, mostly for blocking. But Davis and Cooley are better pass catchers than blockers. I can't recall a team thriving with 2 TE sets as a core formation.

Anyone know of a team that used 2 TE sets a lot and was successful with it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

sween- Soylent Green NOT on Sundays pre-game festivities menu. I know you're not going to game, but beers and eats at 4ths will be fun. I'm picking up Kost in DC...I could grab you too..

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

[waiting for "grab you" joke....]

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Colt used two TE exstensively, including SB year, by lining dallas clark in slot and running Marcus Pollard then Ben Utecht at TE slot.

The Packers during SB years ran out mark chamura and Kieth Jackson

John Gruden used two TE sets all the time with ricky dudley and some other dudes

Gibbs used two TE...or TE/HB set up with rick walker/clint didier/don warren and Terry Orr

just to name a few....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

On that play Reed doughty was the 1st onthe seen and he grabbed his teammate! #37 did not grab jacobs, he grabbed Hall. it was be-otch move 101! if you are ot going to help stay your butt at home. Now Hall gets his butt whooped a little bit too often and needs to chill out, but if you are not going to help the guy don't grab him while the other guy is on him!

Posted by: oknow1 | December 23, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

On that play Reed doughty was the 1st onthe seen and he grabbed his teammate! #37 did not grab jacobs, he grabbed Hall. it was be-otch move 101! if you are ot going to help stay your butt at home. Now Hall gets his butt whooped a little bit too often and needs to chill out, but if you are not going to help the guy don't grab him while the other guy is on him!

Posted by: oknow1 | December 23, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Nate, that is what I do: PWN.

And, it was funny by the way.

This two TE set stuff is specious--it is not the reason why Antonio Gates is who he is or Dallas Clark who he is.

One reason why I think it is such an important issue is because Allen and the next HC will have to decide what to do. Having both of them, with their skill sets is pointless. I think Davis has major upside--in fact, he has shown in two months that he is probably one of the best pass-catching TEs in the NFC. Cooley can get us stuff.

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 23, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I think TEs are more valuable to more teams this year than they have been in a long time. It used to be just Tony Gonzales as an impact TE. There are a lot more guys doing serious damage from the TE spot this year than in any other year I can recall.

Davis in SF, Clark in Indy. Owen Daniels was having a good year for Houston before getting hurt. Gates is having another big year in SD, celek is having a strong year for philly. Shiancoe has 9 TDs catches for Minnesota.

Fred Davis is hauling in TDs for us -- he has more TDs than our 3 top WRs, ARE+Moss+Thomas combined.

Given that the TE is becoming a bigger part of a lot of offenses, I'm guessing there might be a premium teams will pay for a TD producing TE.

A 1st round pick for Fred Davis? Not out of the question.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

League Source, and a very [insert appropriate adjective] Festivus to you!

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2009 5:01 PM

Has to be "festive!" And that goes double for you, old friend.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Chrislarry, those two TE sets are not equivalent to our in terms of skill set. Much of the time, many of them were extra blockers. Also, if the TE is in the slot, then is he technically a TE in that package? (Real question.) Maybe clark is just a better RECEIVER than whoever was in the depth chart under harrison and wayne.

I think for what we NEED right now, and if getting a number two pick in the draft is possible, then trading Cooley and sacrificing a two-tight end set with superior pass catchers is worthwhile.

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 23, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Invisman52, someone needs to explain to you the concept of sample size.

Also Dallas Clark shared the position with Marcus Pollard and Ben Utchet up until last season. Dallas Clark is who he is even while having other talented TEs on roster.

But whateves...I will accept anything that can move the team from laughing stock to mediocre.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

More like Campbell to Carolina for DeAngelo and a pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

nate -- you still here? -- My turkey is, this very minute, being totally pwned by the apple cider brine you were selling for Thanksgiving.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

First of all I don't think you are getting a 2nd rounder for Cooley, so part of my point is your not going to sell low on the cat. Now hey if they do, I'll admit I am wrong and it will be are to be critical.

Also you are just wrong about my examples Marcus Pollard and Ben Utecht were passing threats in colts offense. Bengals sighned Utecht to be there Dallas Clark this past offseason, but he blew out his kneee. Pollard was most certainly a pass catching TE. Here are colts stats. Notice the distribution:

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=stats&season=2008

Also GB, Jackson/chumura were both pass catchers.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"hard to be critical"

I say keep them both next year, hopefully they both produce and then you can trade from a position of strength.

Also you dont think either cooley/davis has the athletesism to play the slot??? Who cares what you call it??? You are getting your most talented players on the field....and any list of the top 5 players with talent upside you make on the skins included both dudes.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

quick name two Skins "pass catchers" you trust more than cooley/davis? Exactly....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 23, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Please, what kind of kiddish, childish crap is coming out of Hall's mouth who is the biggest knucklehead on the team. Albert has his back. Damn, who needs this kind of player on a team. Small minded, simpleton who is out of position and catches deflected balls not because he makes a great play. Character guys don't need to say, someone has his back. We'll be going through this for a number of years, thanks to Cerrato. Allen has got to figure a cap way to get rid of this idiot who seems to be a spokesman for the team. What a little clown.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 23, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is starting on my fantasy team over Kellen Winslow in the Super Bowl.

Those kind of facts are inarguable.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 23, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

poopy, great to see you back in action.....
I would be in favor of trading Cooley, but it would have to be for a high 2nd or better. I would like to see Cooley and Davis in action, otherwise. I don't want either of Carolina's frequently hurt RBs. However, I would take their lame duck coach as DC.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 23, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Chrislarry, you make great points.
I agree they both can play the slot--AND they are both top 5 players with upside for the team. (Ain't it a bit weird saying that about Davis who so many wrote off, but he said I need to play--and he was right)

However, I don't think Utecht's numbers and Clark's together somehow prove that the two TE set was essential. I clicked on your link. And frankly, I think Cooley or Davis could have their combined numbers of a few years back, alone--in fact, Cooley did in catches and yards last year (not TDs with only 1--WTF on that from last year).

I am just saying that they would be the ones to get us to get us something in return--and as high as a two (although you don't agree.)

Actually, Chris, you don't think if Shockey and Winslow both got 2 AND later rounders, Cooley couldn't a 2 as well?

But, again, you are right. I trust them to catch the ball and do something with it. Then, I trust Marko (hehe).

But I am just thinking out loud because if we want the team turned around, I think the draft AND trades are best. We need to be done with Free Agency for about three years.

Also, I think that Carolina's RB are worth the injury risk.

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 23, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Geez Jason, who cares? Talk about a column about nothing. Hall is a punk and couldn't tackle my mother. Next to Smoot, Hall is the WORST in the Skins secondary. Absolutely pathetic!

Really a great, earth shattering article - must have taken at least 2 minutes to compose - And they actually PAY you for this?

Posted by: pwflew1 | December 23, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Geez Jason, who cares? Talk about a column about nothing. Hall is a punk and couldn't tackle my mother. Next to Smoot, Hall is the WORST in the Skins secondary. Absolutely pathetic!

Really a great, earth shattering article - must have taken at least 2 minutes to compose - And they actually PAY you for this?

Posted by: pwflew1 | December 23, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

lOOKS LIKE GREG WILLIAMS LIKES THE GUMBO DOWN THERE IN NEW ORLEANS HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICIED HOW HE BALLONED UP?

HE IS DEFINITELY A CANDIDATE FOR A SLIM FAST COMMERCIAL LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | December 23, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Since it is the holiday season..lets do this little thing
Best QB in snyder ERA : Cambell
Best wide reciever : Santana
Best Tight End : Chris C
Best defensive player(s) : Lavar, Jason and champ bailey and London
Best Field Goal Kicker : ?
Top two coaches: Marty and Gibbs
Big mouths: Portis, hall
Worst deal: Deion and Bruce smith and Jeff George
Worst game: Last week game against the giants
Worst Coach Ever : ZORN by a mile
Dumbest Coach : Zorn closely followed by the ball coach
WE ARE >>>>>Washington Redskins....Go Skins beat those COWGIRLS

Posted by: maz3 | December 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The striking thing is how bad the defense has been with such major additions. When your $100 million man comes in over weight and is a prima donna on playing, it just takes the guts out of the defensive team as a team.

Posted by: jhough1 | December 23, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

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