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Hall Meets Expectations of Team, If Not Fans

Some of our friends on the Insider apparently aren't too pleased with the tackling of cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

There have been comments about Hall's poor performance in that key area since the season opener against the New York Giants. And after the Week 5 loss to the Carolina Panthers, many of you were critical of Hall in your email to me.

Much of the frustration stemmed from what occurred on the play in which the Panthers put away the victory. Carolina caught the Redskins by surprise on a naked bootleg after the two-minute warning - and Hall factored in prominently.

On third and eight at Carolina's 25-yard line, quarterback Jake Delhomme went right, the rest of the offense went left and Delhomme, who appeared to be stopped by Hall after a six-yard gain, dragged Hall for three more yards and a first down. Delhomme then kneeled twice.

I figured a lot of Redskins fans wouldn't be happy about Hall's effort on the bootleg, but the Redskins didn't lose the game because of that play. Obviously, Hall is not among the NFL's top tackling corners. That's just the way it is.

Of course, the Redskins didn't give Hall $23.5 million guaranteed to be a monster in run support, or even an effective tackler for his position. The Redskins paid Hall to make big-time plays with interceptions and long returns, and he's done that. Hall leads the Redskins with three interceptions and has picked off passes in the last two games. His 44-yard interception return against the Panthers set up Washington's second touchdown.

The bottom line is, Hall is providing exactly what the Redskins expected of him, secondary coach Jerry Gray said.

"To me, in this day and age, you want to have a corner that can actually get turnovers," Gray said. "You look at the really, really good corners. I think Philadelphia has a really good one [Asante Samuel]. I think [Denver's] Champ Bailey is still really good. [Dallas' Terence] Newman is really good. You've got DeAngelo Hall. Those guys.

"You look at them over the last couple of years, you get two years behind them, and they get maybe 10, 11 interceptions. So you're going to average five or six a year. And when you do that that means you're getting the offense the ball back a whole lot. It's not a lot of premium [on] putting in a lot of tackling and things. You want to be able to get the guy down. But right now turnovers [are] big."

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Comments

When you have a hip hop culture that glorifies violence and demeans women things like this happen. That picture of Rhianna after she had been worked over by Chris Brown was shameful.

Posted by: ElDrano

It only glorifies it to the people who are stupid enough to be impressionable from such an example.

There are plenty of people who don't listen to hip hop that hit women.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

While I am please with Hall's performance, I understand what people are complaining about:

That the pricetag is too much for someone who will only be attempting pickoffs. His coverage skills aren't that hot either. Tackling is a bonus if you get it from a corner. While people are upset about it, if he didn't cost so much, he probably wouldn't be getting as much flak... mebbe not, tho, considering all the fingerpointing.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Chris Brown was also the product of an abusive family; studies show that children repeat what they see in the home growing up.

So Chris Brown could be a country singer and he still might have abused his partner.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 16, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

True. Hall has been one of the better performers on Defense this year.

I agree he has performed as expected this year. I'm not going to criticize the guy who leads the team in interceptions (and was 2nd last year having only played half the year).

Posted by: HokiePaul | October 16, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins really need to bring in Pat Fischer to work with the defensive backs. He had two skills that are largely missing these days: 1) he never missed a tackle (and he usually made it hurt), and 2) when he wasn't going to get an interception, he didn't try. Instead, he had the timing of hitting the receiver as hard as possible just after the ball got there down to an art. Cornerbacks (and also most safties, excluding ST) these days always go for the ball, and if they don't get it, big plays frequently result. Teach DBs how to hit, and see how the average receiver changes the way they run. Look at the effect Sean Taylor had on Owens.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | October 16, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

REX, we are "here" bruh!

Oh, and beepins...

Posted by: RedDMV
+++

::fistbump::

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

DHall comes from the Deion school of DB's. Basic Deion rule: for a cornerback, a traditional tackle is not a "football play" but a "business decision".

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 16, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

A CB hawking for turnovers will neither cover well, nor tackle well these days. That's why the FS is so important...and shouldn't be Landry.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor had T.O.'s heart.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Campbell haters,

is it Vinny's fault or not?

If the GM doesn't draft O line and the O line is weak and eventually crumbles how can one analyze the QB, WRs, HC, play selection, etc?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 16, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse


Pabrian,

It is entirely possible for Vinny to be a bad executive AND for Campbell to be no more than an average QB.

It's not an either or scenario.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Anything else besides a new GM and a new O-line is just deck chairs on the Titanic. Not even worth discussing.

If we had those two things, I wouldn't care if we go 3-13 next year, at least I'd have hope.

And remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

What we gave Hall is pretty much market-value for top end CBs.

He's doing what we wanted and needed as far as making INTs in the secondary - in fact he is the ONLY DB doing so.

We knew he wasn't a tackling-machine.

Oh well, not everyone can be Champ Bailey.

DHall is NOT our problem.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny traded away good draft picks that could have been used to bolster the offense." - PAskins


I thought Gibbs traded away picks when he was here for those four years?

It was him that had control over that sort of thing, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Hall. He's not a shut down corner but he's definitely one of those guys who's in the right place at the right time frequently.

If we could just get Carlos Rogers a new set of hands we'd have one of the best CB combos in the league.

I have more problems with Laron Landry than anyone else on this defense right now. Dude needs to play with more control. I wish they'd move him back to SS.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see JReid finally posted some common sense items for the delusional bloggers......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I guess the "Deck chairs on the Titanic" is the hot new analogy these days.

lol...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Or metaphor...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

A CB hawking for turnovers will neither cover well, nor tackle well these days. That's why the FS is so important...and shouldn't be Landry.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse


I'm not sure if the comment is suggesting that DHall is not covering well.

I don't recall any plays where DHAll has been badly burned this year.

A couple whiffed tackles - yes.

But not burned in coverage a-la Bryant Johnson embarassing Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

DHall's actions on the field undermined those who argue against benching JC, because (they say) Dudskins can't win with an old white QB with bum knees -- Collins.

It's a laughable argument -- especially when you recall that another QB in the same mold (Delhomme) took one of our better defensive players out for a little 4 yard pony ride to first down territory.

Fundamentally, it's all about heart, drive and determination -- and poor JC can't seem to muster any of it.

Bench Campbell and play Collins!

Posted by: Vic1 | October 16, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the hip-hop culture debate:

Hip-hop is mostly harmless and does not advocate this kind of attitude or action.

Rap (or gangsta' rap) is what you should be aiming your disdain at.

There's a difference.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 9:37 AM |

I think you are splitting hairs. In any case, anyone who thinks that there is no connection between degrading lyrics about women and violence against them, emanating from whatever you want to call it, is denying that advertising has any effect on consumer behavior. 100 billion dollars a year being pissed away. LMAO.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 16, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Red - I think its a pretty apt analogy.... how about...

"Anything else is just a battery box on a helium balloon?"

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray is the coach and he has his agenda for how he expects his players to perform, but I totally disagree with sending the type message he's sending.

Tackilng the opposition on third down and prohibiting them from getting an extra set of downs is vital, and just as good as a turnover. It get's the ball back for your offense. Regardless of the position you play, the NFL plays tackle footbal not two-hand touch, and to dismiss the idea that an NFL CB should be able to tackle a QB in the open field is just plain wrong and sends a terrible message.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | October 16, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought Gibbs traded away picks when he was here for those four years?

It was him that had control over that sort of thing, right?

Posted by: RedDMV

If Gibbs was still here, do we really think we'd be having the same convo? Yes, Gibbs made some serious personnel mistakes, but he also got his teams to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years. Gibbs did not run the West Coast chuck-n-duck, either. If he had problems on the O-line, his sphincter got tight, and he kept a TE or extra back in to block.

The personnel problems preceded Gibbs 2.0, continued through his second stint, and exist now. Gibbs was never a good personnel guy (see Desmond Howard), but he was always a great football coach. We now have a double-whammy going: bad personnel guys AND a medium (mediocre) coach.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

REXskins:
I agree. Snyder WAS embarrassed about fans sneaking bags into FedEx to wear over their faces - enough to revert to using police-state tactics and confiscating paper bags! The chant "Sell the team!" won't make him relinquish ownership, but it will at least get his attention, especially in front of a national TV audience and with ESPN replaying the chant for the next week.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I believe there were a few where he was beat. I don't have them committed to memory & understand if I'm challenged on that. He was last year a few times & in pre-season definitely (randy moss etched in brain...lol)

But in general, a hawk cb get's good coverage numbers by the QB's deciding to throw the other way... pretty understandable if the thrown at/intercept ratio is high.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall, indeed, is performing as advertised.

He's provided a remedy from the blight of turnovers the defense was suffering from before his arrival.

By demonstrating the ability to catch a football, he proves not all FA pickups are a waste, and that Vinny Ceratto is not a complete moron absolutely everyday of the week.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Pabrian,

It is entirely possible for Vinny to be a bad executive AND for Campbell to be no more than an average QB.

It's not an either or scenario.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is an average QB. That's why I want to keep him. An average QB will become a good QB if you put a good team around him. We could easily rebuild this offensive line and be a contender in 2 years. The biggest knocks against Campbell are that he can't read a defense and doesn't get rid of the ball fast enough. The receivers are having trouble getting off the line and sticking to their routes. 2 more years in this system will get rid of that. We can use the 2010 and 2011 first and second rounders on 2 offensive tackles, RB, and a Center. This will build a dominant ground game complimented by a decent passing game and excellent defense. We can use our left over picks and free agency to plug holes that will be left by Griffen, Fletcher, SLB(existing hole), and Sellers. There are no good free agent QBs this year and drafting an upper round QB would make us settle for less quality at LT, RT, C, or RB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hall's tackling is suspect, and I don't want to make excuses for him on that Delhomme bootleg... but this league makes it virtually impossible to tackle a QB with any confidence. He looked hesitant when Delhomme was coming at him and IMO it could have had to do with the lame QB protection rules. Hall tends to tackle guys low, and you can't tackle a QB low. Defensive players should just be allowed to react and make natural plays, but instead they have to think about this crap if they have to tackle a QB. It's become really annoying.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hip-hop is mostly harmless and does not advocate this kind of attitude or action.

Rap (or gangsta' rap) is what you should be aiming your disdain at.

There's a difference.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 9:37 AM |

I think you are splitting hairs. In any case, anyone who thinks that there is no connection between degrading lyrics about women and violence against them, emanating from whatever you want to call it, is denying that advertising has any effect on consumer behavior. 100 billion dollars a year being pissed away. LMAO.

Posted by: ElDrano
+++++++++++++++++++
I'm not splitting hairs, it's like comparing Pantera to the Beatles. They're both rock and roll right?

And I never said there wasn't a connection (with rap), I just don't want hip hop to be vilified unnecessarily .

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

October 15 5:13 ET

Two years in Arizona convinced Chiefs coach Todd Haley that practicing in poor weather conditions was important. "That was something that hurt us, the fact it was too nice all the time," he said. "We never really had the mindset to play in poor conditions. I think it can be a huge advantage for us here."

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

wait, is hip-hop the reason my hair is thinning??

is hip hop the reason that that bama red stole my dallas tix??

who can answer me this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't really believe Gibbs was as responsible for the personell decisions as was reported. I do believe that Gibbs was the kind of guy who would take full responsibility for things anyway.

He wasn't a personell guy in 1.0, why would he turn into one after being out of the league for so long. I believe he was relying on the veracity of Vinny & his staff and taking responsiblity when it didn't pan out.

Regardless of what they said.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

MrMerkin:

Well even if he doesn't sell the team I'd be happy to embarrass him the way he has embarrassed our beloved franchise.

Posted by: REXskins | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I thought Gibbs traded away picks when he was here for those four years?

It was him that had control over that sort of thing, right?

Posted by: RedDMV


Red,

It wasn't clear what the FO structure was when Gibbs was here.

He often said that he, Snyder and Cerrato are making decisions "together".

Some of the FA moves I can see as having "Gibbs" written all over them - Randle El.

Other moves I can see as having "Cerrato" written all over them - Brandon Lloyd.

On the defense, my hunch is that Gibbs simply deffered to Grilliams regarding the personnel he wanted.

I guess we'll never know for sure.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Just one question.

will we ever be patient

last year the drum beat(complaint)was that we hadn't addressed neither one of the lines.they focus on the deffensive side of the line first(with good results so far)

Aren't you the guys who want to build thru the draft and do it right?

One good free
agent,two high draft pick and a decent play caller and we will be set.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Add Jerry Gray to the list of problems as he doesn't want to emphasis the fundamentals. WTF? This isn't flag football.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

October 15 4:09 ET

For the second day, the Chiefs practiced outdoors in cold, windy and wet conditions. That's the forecast for Sunday in Washington. "It's good we're getting acclimated to the environment," QB Matt Cassel said. "The forecast for Sunday is bleak, so it's good to be out there getting used to those conditions."

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Bench Campbell and play Collins!

Posted by: Vic1 | October 16, 2009 9:56 AM

---------

JC finally shows signs of improvement, has displayed grit, and NOW you want to see him ridin' the pine?

Jeeesh!

I ain't no fervent JC believer, but cut the young man some slack, would ya?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

October 15 4:06 ET

If the Chiefs are without LT Branden Albert and FS Jarrad Page because of injuries, it appears that Wade Smith and Jon McGraw will replace them in the starting lineup. Smith jumped in at LT when Albert went out last Sunday. Both Smith and McGraw are NFL veterans.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

October 15 4:20 ET

Chiefs coach Todd Haley brought in 13-year veteran CB Otis Smith this week to work with the team's young corners. "He was an excellent DB, and he's in here for a couple of weeks to help with some technique things with these younger corners," Haley said.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/

See the Nationals know that you put into place your Front Office before you start working on finding your Manager.

No hiring a 3rd base coach or bench coach prior to the manager for those guys.

I have said it a million times. The Nats will have a world series win before the Skins win a super bowl.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

wait, is hip-hop the reason my hair is thinning?? - NO

is hip hop the reason that that bama red stole my dallas tix?? - YES

who can answer me this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

All good?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 16, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

One good free agent, two high draft pick and a decent play caller and we will be set.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 16, 2009 10:07 AM

---------

You funny.

and we far from "set."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh, so:

ElDrano = Rush Limbaugh?

Thanks, got it. Makes sense now.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 9:30 AM |

Hey if all Rush Limbaugh had done is say what I have posted then there is no way in hell that Goodell could have made those remarks about him at his press conference with a straight face.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 16, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for those updates....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is an average QB. That's why I want to keep him. An average QB will become a good QB if you put a good team around him. We could easily rebuild this offensive line and be a contender in 2 years. The biggest knocks against Campbell are that he can't read a defense and doesn't get rid of the ball fast enough. The receivers are having trouble getting off the line and sticking to their routes. 2 more years in this system will get rid of that. We can use the 2010 and 2011 first and second rounders on 2 offensive tackles, RB, and a Center. This will build a dominant ground game complimented by a decent passing game and excellent defense. We can use our left over picks and free agency to plug holes that will be left by Griffen, Fletcher, SLB(existing hole), and Sellers. There are no good free agent QBs this year and drafting an upper round QB would make us settle for less quality at LT, RT, C, or RB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse


The key there is "put a good team around him".

Basically, for Campbell to win, everything else around him has to be perfectly setup.

Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl...playing with one of the greatest defenses of all time and a running back that went for 2000 yards.

I don't think JC17 is horrible. But I can understand if the team wants a QB that they can rely on to do more than just play average assuming everything around him is perfect.

Sometimes you need your QB to make plays, take the offense on his shoulders and make it happen.

Ben Roethlisberger won his second SuperBowl ring by doing just that. When it came to crunch-time with the game on the line, he stepped up in the clutch.

I'm trying to remember one time when JC17 did something like that.

Bottom line: He's not won anything for us. His offense doesn't score points. He's replaceable, just like virtually anyone else on the offense right now. (Exceptions being Moss and Cooley).

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Does "Art Monk to The Sticks" post on You Tube regularly?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

thanks jd....not what I was looking for but sometimes the truth hurts..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The acceptance of incomplete performances is exactly what's killing this team right now, and Jerry Gray is proving himself to be a prime enabler.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

You funny.

and we far from "set."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 16, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Acceptance of incomplete performances."

"Prime enabler."

sounds like my father...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 16, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The acceptance of incomplete performances is exactly what's killing this team right now, and Jerry Gray is proving himself to be a prime enabler.

Posted by: psps23 | October 16, 2009 10:15 AM

Whaaaa?

With an ineptitude offense, the defense has to do more. Which means concentrating on turning the ball over and providing the offense with a shorter field, if the defense doesn't score.

That's how the offense can have TD drives of 1 yard and 11 yards.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

To all the Jerry Gray critics,

Please. The defense is not the problem on this team, and neither is DHall.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

beeeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Well, Greg, my hair is inexplicably thinning, and I KNOW it's not a result of hip-hop, therefore, ergo, et all and summa cum laude - hip hop is not related to hair loss, and vice versa

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 16, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The key there is "put a good team around him".

Basically, for Campbell to win, everything else around him has to be perfectly setup.

Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl...playing with one of the greatest defenses of all time and a running back that went for 2000 yards.

I don't think JC17 is horrible. But I can understand if the team wants a QB that they can rely on to do more than just play average assuming everything around him is perfect.

Sometimes you need your QB to make plays, take the offense on his shoulders and make it happen.

Ben Roethlisberger won his second SuperBowl ring by doing just that. When it came to crunch-time with the game on the line, he stepped up in the clutch.

I'm trying to remember one time when JC17 did something like that.

Bottom line: He's not won anything for us. His offense doesn't score points. He's replaceable, just like virtually anyone else on the offense right now. (Exceptions being Moss and Cooley).

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Ben didn't win that super bowl, James Harrison did. Ben threw 1 TD in that super bowl. It just happened to be in the 4th quarter. James Harrison won that game by taking a surefire Cards TD and running it back for a score. That was a 14 point swing and that ultimately won the game. Everything doesn't have to be perfect for Campbell. It just has to not suck. Our oline, RB, play calling, and flanker all suck. The point is that we have more replaceable players than Campbell. We don't have 1 ligitimate tackle right now. We absolutely have to grab 2 starting tackles in the draft. That means we absllutely have to use first or early second rounders on them. Rabach sucks and Portis is too old. They both need replaced before Campbell. If 2012 rolls around and Campbell still sucks then by all means throw him on the first bus to Oakland. I'm fine with that but he could be good by then. If he is good by then then that's 1 less first rounder we have to use. We can use that first rounder on another position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Re: the final play against Carolina

The problem is that the entire team was fooled by that play. Look, it was pretty obvious that they weren't going to get 8 yards on a dive play. You had to figure it would either be play action, end around, or bootleg. But EVERYONE bit on the fake.

I just can't believe a LB or Safety or somebody didn't stay home. Did they think it would take 11 people to tackle the ball-carrier? Where was the safety on the play??

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | October 16, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Unless you are a PUNTER, you should be making a hit. I've seen QB's make better tackles after chasing down a pick. You don't have to be Ronnie Lott or Rod Woodson, but you better damn well make an effort to stop that man from advancing the ball.

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 16, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

D hall is a joke!! He has 2 interceptions and thinks that makes him a great player. Did he forget about how often he has been beat this year? Did he forget about how he couldn't tackle Jake Delhome, an old, slow QB for the biggest play of the game. Hall is an overpaid joke who should learn to be a leader instead of running to the media talking about how everyone but him isn't doing their job. One last thing to D hall, stop celebrating every time you make a play, that me first attitude is a joke and until we start to get wins why don't you act like you have made a big play before and stop drawing attention to yourself. Take a hint from London Fletcher, who makes play after play and never tries to draw attention to himself. D hall is exactly what's wrong with Snyder, he pays to much for players that don't perform.

Posted by: jcrabbe1 | October 16, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't think intercepting and good tackling are mutually exclusive. D. Hall has some great gifts when it comes to speed and hands, but he could be coached into learning to tackle a little better. Remember when Marty Shottenheimer took D. Green back to working on fundamentals saying that Green needed to work on them? Even though Green was at the end of his career, I think Marty made him a better player, a smarter player. D. Hall could stand a little of that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Just another problem with the Skins: They set lower expectations for players picked by Cerrato/Snyder than the contracts should provide us. For much less than $23.5 million guaranteed, you'll find plenty of corners who can cover, intercept and not tackle.

So I understand team management sets lower expectations for their hand-picked players so they can say they play well & therefore that they are good at picking players. I get that; problem is, if you're players can't perform on the level of the opponent, you'll lose games & that's always more telling on management's ability to field a team than anything else.

Posted by: agupta1 | October 16, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Some of you are jumping to conclusions. I'm going to wait for Hall to make a tackle before I judge his tackling.

Posted by: Gweez | October 16, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Include in that 'celebrating after every play' nonsense Carlos 'Butter' Rogers and Antwaan 'Dancing with the Stars' Randle-El.

One can't catch a ball thrown right to him and the other can't run back a punt past 7 yards but always celebrating...

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 16, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

All players talk about wanting to be a "complete" player. If you are a complete player you should be able to tackle. Seems like Jerry Gray has come up with a new position: "designated interceptor." Don't have to worry about tackling, just try to intercept.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | October 16, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Hope that DeAngelo has spent as much time on the tackling dummy as he has talking to the media this week. His coach should be rewinding film of his "tackle" of Jake Delhomme, pityful! Also, why doesn't Carlos Rogers get a phantom hand injury so we can put some casts on his hands. Can't catch the ball, so might as well use his hands to bash somebody.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 16, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Ben didn't win that super bowl, James Harrison did. Ben threw 1 TD in that super bowl. It just happened to be in the 4th quarter. James Harrison won that game by taking a surefire Cards TD and running it back for a score. That was a 14 point swing and that ultimately won the game. Everything doesn't have to be perfect for Campbell. It just has to not suck. Our oline, RB, play calling, and flanker all suck. The point is that we have more replaceable players than Campbell. We don't have 1 ligitimate tackle right now. We absolutely have to grab 2 starting tackles in the draft. That means we absllutely have to use first or early second rounders on them. Rabach sucks and Portis is too old. They both need replaced before Campbell. If 2012 rolls around and Campbell still sucks then by all means throw him on the first bus to Oakland. I'm fine with that but he could be good by then. If he is good by then then that's 1 less first rounder we have to use. We can use that first rounder on another position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Well said my man. The only thing I'll add is that without an O-Line, there won't be a running game.

Posted by: dcwun | October 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Hall was beat on that INT in the Carolina game. Had Muhammed caught the ball that hit his hands or the QB throw a better pass it would have been a 1st down. Hall was again giving too much room to a guy that he is probably faster than. He needs to tighten his coverage. With the exception of Rogers any one of our DB's would've gotten Halls INT's..his 1st was deflect by Landry (Hall was beat)..his 2nd was under thrown (Hall was freelancing) and the 3rd..I just explained that. Until Hall steps in front of a guy a pick it off I say he sucks..He's not as good as he thinks he is..He's who we thought he was..overrated...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 16, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

DHall comes from the Deion school of DB's. Basic Deion rule: for a cornerback, a traditional tackle is not a "football play" but a "business decision".

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz

EXACTLY...You hit it on the head with this.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 16, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but when you look at two (if not all three) of those interceptions, Hall got them off of deflections and he was 3-5 yards away/behind the receiver. Yes, he managed to hang on, but he was BEATEN!

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 16, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hall is the least of our worries. In fact, he's one of the few bright spots on the entire team and this season.

If we had an offensive line, a QB/Coach that wouldn't waste timeouts (have we even made a first down after any of the wasted timeouts?), and a front office that knew how to run a team, then we could moan about Hall's tackling without looking like little crybabies who just like to complain about everything.

Posted by: Section104 | October 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I think the problem is we were spoiled. we had daryl green. and dare I age myself, pat fisher, when it was time to lock down or get down and dirty they did. remember fisher and carmichael, the battles, 5'7 vs 6'8. I have not seen Hall get a pick from true one on one coverage I may be wrong. If he can do that. and alter offensive game plans because of that pay the man, if not oops. all in all though I think cerrato is better talent evaluator than caserly who I liked a lot more. imo

Posted by: Rvf0509 | October 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Rvf -

And a lot more than St. Darrell. Vernon Dean as a rookie was unstoppable and had an unbelievable talent for batting away balls that were in the reciver's hands (jeris White stunk up the joint that year). Later he led the league in interceptions when teams flat out refused to throw on DG's side. Barry Wilburn - does anyone remember how Walter Payton's career ended?? One yard short of a first down on a solo tackle by Barry Wilburn? Oh yeah, he led the league in INTs that year as well. And DG, who made fun of his own hands when it came to catching, was a textbook tackler and borught many a back much heavier than he. And we had Champ who could catch and tackle. Joe Lavender and LeCharls McDaniel would knock the snot out of receivers and running backs alike. We know what constitutes good CB play and D. Hall and co. aren't really delivering it. it makes me miss Martin Mayhew....

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100% with HGR. Gray's comments are really disturbing. Talk about lowering the bar: "well he gets picks, so he doesn't really need to be a good tackler." Lame, lame, lame. Darrel Green was great at covering, getting picks, and was a textbook tackler (you need good technique when you're like 5'8" !!!)

I guarantee that no corners on championship-contending teams believe that it's acceptable to be a lousy tackler as long as they get turnovers.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | October 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

HughGRection you are a true Redskin Historian. These CB's are a joke..I think Los will and can tackle and Hall can catch but neither are complete like DG and company. another poster mention Pat Fisher he's correct also. The way he battled Carmichael was poetic. These CB's we have should study these guys and take the same pride in play corner as they did. To play CB you have to have Heart and Character. Neither Los or Hall has these traits...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 16, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Pat Fischer was one tough motha! I remember asking for his autograph after practice one day in Carlisle and he looked down at me (I was about 7) and said with in what for me was an intimidating voice, "What's the magic word?" It took a lot of courage to come up with the reply, "Please?"

While I'm getting nostalgic, Dave Butz was a very sweet, kind man who had a good way with kids--a real gentle giant.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | October 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I can remember John Madden and Al Davis arguing over what was more important, O-line or D-backs with Madden preferring O-Line. I agree and would expand that to D-line as well. A dominant defensive line can make a an average CB look good. The same can be said for a good O-line. It wasn't that long ago in Denver that it didn't matter who you had at RB, they were getting 1000 yards behind a decent, well coached, zone blocking O-Line. With Campbell at QB in particular, he does not throw accurately when on the move, and seems to take too long to make a decision, ala Patrick Ramsey. If he is your quarterback, you have to have a dominant O-line that can give him that extra second.

Posted by: salbright | October 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that the person Hall replaced, Shawn Springs, could cover AND tackle.

Posted by: vbxtc5@aol.com | October 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

See the thing about Hall's "tackling" is that it doesnt even come close to what my definition of tackling is. When is the last time anyone has seen a defensive back on the skins wrap someone up, put their head on the ball, and drive their legs and take the ball carrier to the ground? The only skins that are competent tacklers are London, Rocky, and Chris Horton... still not sold on the "new" Doughty. This being said, that leaves half of our playmakers on defense having far worse tackling technique than your average pee wee football player.

The biggest disgrace to the art of tackling is Deangelo Hall. He has taken Fred Smoots throne with literally very little effort. Hall has perfected the "turn my back to the ball carrier, put my hands up bracing to get hit, and face grimace" tackle. Yes that is a mouth full, but the scramble by the almost immobile Jake Dehlomme demonstrated Hall's incompetence. When did the Skins decide to pay millions of dollars for soft players with no heart and no fundamental football skills?

Posted by: ks2124 | October 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Any defensive coach that thinks a corner is to only make int's during the season should be fired. Can you believe these morons keep talking to the media in the first place? Darrell Green made many a tackle in his days. The same tackle that Hall should have made. No more lame excuses.

Posted by: hessone | October 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Section104

There are no bright spots.

Posted by: hessone | October 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Boy never thought Jerry Gray was a moron til I read his quote on corners tackling. When did the NFL change to where you suddenly don't put a premium on your corners being able to tackle? Wasn't it just 2 yrs ago under Gregg Williams that we emphasized having cornerbacks who could tackle? Another reason we also drafted Carlos Rogers? Now our frigging CB coach is telling us that he himself doesn't believe that tackling is or should be a big part of a cornerback's responsibility? un believable

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If Hall is here to get turnovers then why didn't hit the quarterback with a 'strip' tackle, knock the ball loose, pick it up and run for a touchdown?

Well for one thing he didn't maintain his assignment which on the play was to contain the corner. Second his footwork and balance/ body positioning was poor and that's why he was run over for an additional 3-4 yards.

Other than that, to quote Jim Zorn, hall is playinig 'GREAT'

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | October 16, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

because he intercepts a couple of passes that excuses him from making tackles. That's BS. Stop making excuses for Hall cause tackling is a major part of the game. this man missed a key tackle in the Giants game that ended up being a touchdown and when Jake drug him for 3 yards that ended the game for the Skins. Now you look at the big picture he gets paid to make plays and he has not doneit in the crucial moments of the game.

Posted by: tareil | October 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall tackle? Please, he'd get his uniform dirty. The Redskins used to know how to tackle, but lately they've reverted to the splendor of the Jack Pardee teams where tackling was for other people.

Posted by: atidwell | October 16, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, of course we signed to make big plays. (ie.catch INTs that #22 Toast can't do) But remember when football was football. As a child you were taught how to tackle and that's when you weren't making millions to do it. So its ok now for DHall to embarrass the D and himself by trying to tackle a slow older QB in Delhomme by pulling @ his shoulder pads!!!!!!! What's wrong with tackling around the legs and he drops?! And the 3rd down play before that, tackling with the #s on his back! He is not a complete football player and that's the problem with this team, coaches saying "that's what we expect of him". Seriously?? He should have had his tail chewed off for that display of tackling.

Posted by: kevinlc555 | October 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but unfortunately Springs could only do that 8 games a year. So if we can get Hall to cover and tackle half the time, then we'll break even for the year!

I am not at all impressed by Hall. He seems to get beat a lot by not-so-great receivers (Laurent Robinson, Antonio Bryant, et al). They got him to get interceptions and he seems to do that...yippee. But whether or not he can tackle at the NFL level, he should at least be able to bring down a non-running QB when the game is on the line. Tackling is about heart, guts and technique, and to me D-Hall has displayed nothing but mouth. I didn't see Gray's full comments but hopefully somewhere in there he said something like "It didn't lose us the game, but we expect any of our guys on defense to make that tackle."

Posted by: ts35 | October 16, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray is another "wanna" be head coach. He just looks for something "hot" without caring about basic/fundamental football technique. This is the reason why the defense is not as good as they could be.

Posted by: inva | October 16, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

coach gray must be from another planet when he gives praise to a player for making an interception but acknowledge to the public and fans thats its ok to miss a tackle in the open field on an old QB because turnovers is what's expected of him. if he had made the tackle, maybe the offense could have gotten the ball back, scored and won the game but because he didnt, the turnover really means nothing. theres a poll in the post about where the skins will end up at the end of the season, and to me it will be somewhere between obligatory and southeast DC.

Posted by: geg5100 | October 17, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

coach gray must be from another planet when he gives praise to a player for making an interception but acknowledge to the public and fans thats its ok to miss a tackle in the open field on an old QB because turnovers is what's expected of him. if he had made the tackle, maybe the offense could have gotten the ball back, scored and won the game but because he didnt, the turnover really means nothing. theres a poll in the post about where the skins will end up at the end of the season, and to me it will be somewhere between obligatory and southeast DC.

Posted by: geg5100 | October 17, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Who in the world appointed Deangelo Hall a spokesman for the team? I see and read about him criticizing the team and using the word "we" when in fact he should be criticizing himself and using the word "I". The Falcons didn't want him and the Raiders too and only Cerrato and Snyder would pay this much to this overrated cornerback for being in the right place at the right time to catch deflected interceptions and to miss tackles. Hall shut your trap and start blaming yourself. Jerry Gray, get real, because when you compare Hall to Champ Bailey and Terrence Newman, you are delusional and need help. I am one depressed Redskins fan.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 17, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

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