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Hall Steps Into Springs's Role (Updated)

Veteran cornerback Shawn Springs played in only nine games last season because of calf and hamstring injuries, and some fans were upset about his part-time schedule.

Based on the high number of negative email I received regarding Springs, his departure to the New England Patriots in free agency was well received. I suppose I was among a small group who thought Springs could have helped the Redskins this season.

Even slowed because of injuries, Springs still handled big receivers well (he dominated Terrell Owens in the first half of Washington's victory at Dallas early in the season) and was the Redskins' best slot cornerback. Second-year cornerback Justin Tryon struggled during his first audition in the slot in the preseason opener last week against the Baltimore Ravens. When the season begins, the Redskins plans for top corner DeAngelo Hall to assume Springs's former duties in the slot.

With so many teams using three- and four-receiver sets, the ability to cover slot receivers well is a priority for defenses, and Washington's coaching staff is confident Hall is up to the challenge.

"When people are putting four wide receivers out there, you've got to be able to match up," secondary coach Jerry Gray said. "If you can't match up, you've got to make the quarterback throw where you want him to throw. You're either going to blitz him or match up and play coverage. Those are the two things you've got to do."

Although Hall isn't as big as Springs, his quickness and coverage skills should enable him to do the job, Gray said. "DeAngelo can do that. We're not losing anything there," Gray said. "We lost Shawn, and he's a good player, but you can't sit there and sulk. You've got to get somebody else ready, and DeAngelo is going to assume that role. Most teams are going to be their guy in there.

"They're going to put their guy that's going to be the center of attention. The offense is going to center around that guy first before [the quarterback] looks outside. You're going to put your 'good,' I'm going to put my 'good.' That's pretty much what you do. You can always help the outside guys. But a lot of teams put their [best] guy in there, so they can have all that space in the middle of the field to work on. So I'm going to match my 'good' with your 'good.' "

Morning Practice Begins

Practice is underway at Redskins Park, with today being the last of two-a-days. The players are in shells, not pads. Clinton Portis is present, but originally was not in a shell. However, he has traded his cap for a helmet and is running a couple of drills. He's expected to play Saturday night against Pittsburgh at FedEx Field. Tight end Chris Cooley, who spent Thursday's practice doing sidework, is back. Devin Clark is at practice and began the morning with some sidework. Rick Maese

By Jason Reid  |  August 20, 2009; 8:45 AM ET
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First! Yes!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 20, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that Wilbon was "out of bounds" in the comments that he made about Sean Taylor. Too often his tragic death colors the thoughts people have about the man. Like Vick, he was an enigma. With Vick you don't know if he is truly repentant and with Taylor you don't know if he had moved on from his thug past. The signs point that way but there is enough ambiguity to make the comments Wilbon made acceptable in the sense that they aren't totally outlandish.

Posted by: SonOfStan | August 20, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse


It doesn't have to be outlandish - just ignorant, irresponsible and (I believe) self-serving.

You'd think a professional writer/columnist would actually find out some facts about ST's life and the circumstances of his death before he whips it out and takes a wiz on his grave - but no, Wilbon needed to jump the gun and get his controversial 2-cents out there while he still didn't know anything.

A person is alot more than just the sum total of their publicized mistakes/bad decisions, it was too bad Wilbon didn't have the decency to think that way.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

They better be putting pressure on the QB, for that is DB's dream. Pressuring the QB leads to interceptions.

I got First, I got First, I got First.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 20, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"With so many teams using three- and four-receiver sets, the ability to cover slot receivers well is a priority for defenses,..."

This fact validates why the team needed to draft an additional corner this past spring.

NFL defenses need to have not two, but three solid cover guys with the elite guy covering the slot.

Luckily, we have that.

And more.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I also think Springs could have "helped" the team purely from a football standpoint.

The issue is that he was making big bucks, eating up cap space but on the field only half the time.

Now New England will get a chance to see Springs' "I-don't-play-unless-I'm-100%- healthy" policy in action.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Least interesting, most predictable, worn-out topics on RI (IMO):

Antonio Pierce
LaVar Arrington
Leigh Torrence
Vinnie Cerrato
Michael Wilbon

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

I crossed Wilbon off my list of columnists whose work I had to read a long time ago.

Somehow, being on tv took an edge off his style, and now he's more of a blustering personality than a top notch sports reporter.

It just goes to show you what money can do to a man who usually has some interesting things to say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Least interesting, most predictable, worn-out topics on RI (IMO):

Antonio Pierce
LaVar Arrington
Leigh Torrence
Vinnie Cerrato
Michael Wilbon

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse


Jason Taylor
Jason LaCanfora
O-line Sucks
FIREJIMZORN
Cork's politics

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

amen,

pfunk

somebody will kick him in the shin or step on his pinky toe and he won't play.

so much is made of "if the patriots thought he could play we made a big mistake" don't forget that the pats were hot on hall's tail at before he signed on the dotted line here.

Posted by: drewkinnear | August 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

Not sure if you read my post from the previous thread, but I agree 100%. Wilbon used to be my favorite columnist, ST21 aside, when he became a national ESPN/NBA company man I felt like his writing got disconnected from DC, lost insight and got real vanilla.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

Just for you:


"LET'S GO NATS!!!!!!!!"

(INSERT image of Strasburg and Scott Boras laughing as they pat each other on the back 15 million times.)

Feel betta?

Thought so.......


....and Strasburg will be a Yankee.

It's just a matter of time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith just does not strike me as the guy who can get his special teams unit fired up.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 20, 2009 8:28 AM

I was thinking the same thing. Except for the occasional Santana Moss punt return, our special teams is just flat……punt coverage, punt return, kickoff covergae, kickoff return, field goals……..haven’t seen anybody acting fired up before a play…..when was the last time we saw one of the punt gunners actually make a good hit on the return man? Rock and KCampbell were the captains, but aside from the pregame “on three” stuff, I have seen no emotion whatsoever. This all falls on Smith and on the captains……..I think that special teams is one area where I think we could use an upgrade at coach…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

T_E, there now is a rift between us. The Scots whipped the British. Something your beloved Jameson drinker could only dream of.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith just does not strike me as the guy who can get his special teams unit fired up.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 20, 2009 8:28 AM
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Danny Smith is like the IRS. Nobody remembers who exactly stuck us with this boat anchor, but the institution has pretty much been around long enough that no one can figure out how to get rid of it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Strasburg=Mark Prior

The second pick in the draft will be the star......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about getting the group fired up, but if Danny Smith is behind the decision to keep ARE at punt return, that alone should be a fireable offense.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Son of Stan:I don't think that Wilbon was "out of bounds" in the comments that he made about Sean Taylor.

Wilbon was way out of bounds you racist jackazz..First of all before anything was known about Sean's death Wilbon created a story of how gangs of people back in Seans hometown were out to get him and that he was told by Artrelle Rolle, Sean was up tp no good, all turned out to be false didn't it..
Stop assuming things without facts, that pen can turn into a hi-tech lynching of someone's character and it did in Wilbons inaccurate interpretation of Seans death..

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | August 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Least interesting, most predictable, worn-out posters on RI (IMO):

talent_evaluator
brownwood26
MistaMoe
The Cork
FIREJIMZORN

Posted by: SonOfStan | August 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I have to disagree with the ripping of Wilbon re: ST21. From my point of view he wasn't trying to rip to shreds ST's life and credibility, rather he was using ST's death to discuss his concern about "young, black americans" who find themselves in violent situations and have a tough choice to make. They either stay where they are and face potential violence or get out and find a less threatening environment.

I DO AGREE that his tone throughout the article was harsh, and definitely didn't do anything to highlight the positives in Sean Taylor's life.


Posted by: BigE44 | August 20, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Guys - ST DID still spend time with the folks from his past in the EXACT same environment that he grew up in.

He had NO home security and lived in a bad neighborhood. With his bank, ST should have moved his family into a secure neighborhood that removed them from danger. He chose not to and payed the price.

The people who killed him attended his house at an open party. Pretty much anyone off the street could have walked in.

It seems you are taking these as disparaging remarks, insulting his character. They are not. They are pointing out and grave and serious mistakes a young man made.

In no way is the tragedy ST's fault, but if he had behaved differently, this particular tragedy would have not happened.

I agree that it was a mis-timed comment by Wilbon, but it is not incorrect.

I can't believe we are having this conversation.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

SportsCenter just ran some old footage of Sonny Jurgenson...didn't know he had a 94.5 QB rating at age 40! As underwhelming as our present is, gotta love Redskin history...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Least interesting, most predictable, worn-out posters on RI (IMO):

talent_evaluator
brownwood26
MistaMoe
The Cork
FIREJIMZORN


Posted by: SonOfStan | August 20, 2009 9:26 AM


Poster who missed a letter on his login name:

SonofSatan

Enjoy your day. But then again, you probably saw this coming.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"He had NO home security"

Wrong. He had a home security system, it was just not turned on.

"lived in a bad neighborhood"

Wrong again! How many bad neighborhoods have 900,000 dollar homes in them??

Do the SLIGHTEST amount of research on this maybe before your next post...maybe, just maybe, get some of your facts straight...until then, don't let facts get in the way of you making your point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I didn't make the list! woo hoo!

[:-|

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow Dik, you taking a page from the Wilbon playbook?

Taylor's mansion with a pool and a fence was in the ghetto, huh? How do you figure it was a "bad" neighborhood? According to his other pretty wealthy neighbors, the neighborhood was quiet and uneventful.

The perps drove their from a whole other county to do the job, it's not like they lived down the block.

Not sure how you figure that people could "walk in off the street". Were you there? Yeah, he's spending time with people from his past - his FAMILY. The perps were friends of Sean's family member.

He had pit bulls in the yard, but got rid of them when they broke out and neihbors complained, and he lagged on getting follow-up security.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I think Danny Smith should be fired, I think the Special Teams play is atrocious and he could be the reason.

Thought this was interesting on FOX, maybe worth looking into...

Talking about Green Bay unloading alot of people due to great depth...

Packers dealing LB Brady Poppinga, safety Aaron Rouse?
Two weeks from now the deeper-than-anticipated Green Bay Packers could very well be trying to trade as many as four players with considerable experience as starters. Outside linebacker Brady Poppinga, safety Aaron Rouse and tackle Tony Moll appear to have no better than a 50-50 chance to make the 53-man roster. Trading any of them might be the way to solve crowded competition at their positions. Scott Wells still might end up being named the starting center. If not, the Packers might have sufficient backup strength in the offensive line to deal him. -- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 20, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Dik, BigE……just give it up. This convo has been rehashed up here so many times. For some reason many folks up here were so affected by ST’s death that they have nothing but hate for anyone who either wants to “tarnish” ST or possibly think that Wilbon is now anything less than a lying scum bag with zero credibility for a comment he made (that many folks agree with to a degree). I’ve tried to argue that Wilbon wasn’t off on his remarks too….did’t go well. People just start getting all emotional.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

wow.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Shawn Springs was a 100% great player when on the field. He was on the field for 9 games out of 16 game season. That averages out to 56% per game. I know that is silly math, but it kind of represents the contribution of an oft-injured player. The Redskins sign a guy like Springs or Haynesworth based on the fact that they will be 100% great 100% of the time. When the player does not play for several games, is the team really getting value? I'd argue not. This is why I think the team did the right thing by getting rid of players like Springs and Washington. They just couldn't play enough to add value.

I think this is also why Mike Williams comes with a "buyer beware" tag on his jersey. The guy left the league injured and so far in camp, he has become the poster boy for nagging injuries. If he continues to demonstrate an inability to get on the field, the BMW experiment should be canned.

This is also why the team needs to keep their eyes on players like Randy Thomas who was injured last year and it is not all of the way back this year. A Randy Thomas that plays full time is a great asset, but the "full time Randy"" is not what they have gotten the last few years. Love the guy. He's been great for the team. Time to say good-bye.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Least interesting, most predictable, worn-out posters on RI (IMO):

talent_evaluator
brownwood26
MistaMoe
The Cork
FIREJIMZORN

Posted by: SonOfStan | August 20, 2009 9:26 AM

We're number 1! We're number 1!

Unless you meant that in a bad way. Then, as we say up here, you're an idiot moron doutche. You're worse than Wilbon and Vinnie Cerrato in one package.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"lived in a bad neighborhood"

Wrong again! How many bad neighborhoods have 900,000 dollar homes in them??

Do the SLIGHTEST amount of research on this maybe before your next post...maybe, just maybe, get some of your facts straight...until then, don't let facts get in the way of you making your point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

For real with mansions like that i wish i lived in the hood... Love to see the palisade Dik lives at to call that place the hood.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

THE RALLY TOWEL IS BACK!!!!

God, I thought we did away with this awful initiative once we got embarrassed on MNF.

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Beaner, et al, you're just off.

Palmetto Bay may have a few nice places, but it's not as safe as they like to make it out. And it's VERY close to some seriously scary shti.

The man needed to be in Weston or somewhere else vaulted up.

And like it or not, he and his wife were still in their pre-NFL circles.

It's not right that that needs to change for someone to be safe. It's senseless and terrible. But they make those gated, high security communities for a reason and this is it!

Stop trying to make this into something it's not. That is as insulting as what you're accusing Wilbon of.

And all the research in the world won't help you if you don't know what you're talking about. How much time you spend down in tha 305, son?


Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

pfunk you are right on about Wilbon. Wilbon had a chance to say he jumped the gone and was wrong on his chat but didn't that's the reason I have lost all respect for the guy. It doesn't make you less of a man to admit when you are wrong about something.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Officer P1funk and the Perps

Posted by: mack1 | August 20, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The perps were not Friends - they were lowlife accquaintences from a really bad scene.

I'm happy to drop it if people who don't know shti from shineola stop typin' crap.

Stop trying to make a cause out of something that isn't one.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

dik, agree to disagree on this, I'll stand by the facts....

you know how he had no home security etc....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

T_E, there now is a rift between us. The Scots whipped the British. Something your beloved Jameson drinker could only dream of.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:20 AM

So, the capital of Great Britain is in Edinburgh? Glasgow? And the protesters, will they be gathered in front of the Scottish Embassy in DC?

Oh, wait. You're a Campbell? A Scott Campbell? Probably not the Dublin Campbell clan, right? That would be Mick Campbell.

Well, the Irish could have whipped the British if the French had come in. And Jameson's is only a pale imitation of Chivas.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Chris Dishman's email address??

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | August 20, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Reading a crappy article in the herald does not constitute facts.

You want to deny realtiy, that's your problem. Just stop prostletizing.

_________________________________

And I thought the last King of Scotland was Idi Amin!?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Beaner, et al, you're just off.

Palmetto Bay may have a few nice places, but it's not as safe as they like to make it out. And it's VERY close to some seriously scary shti.

The man needed to be in Weston or somewhere else vaulted up.

And like it or not, he and his wife were still in their pre-NFL circles.

It's not right that that needs to change for someone to be safe. It's senseless and terrible. But they make those gated, high security communities for a reason and this is it!

Stop trying to make this into something it's not. That is as insulting as what you're accusing Wilbon of.

And all the research in the world won't help you if you don't know what you're talking about. How much time you spend down in tha 305, son?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Dik, you wanna know how far away Potomac, MD (one of the richest towns in the US) is from SouthEast DC and Anacostia (once the murder capital of the US)?

Everybody lives near scary scenes, unless you are going to vault yourself up in a mountaintop compound.

Yeah, ST was hanging with his pre-NFL circle - HIS FAMILY. The perps were friends OF A FAMILY MEMBER -not thugs who walked in off the street like you suggested.

I'm sure you would like to drop it now, considering how badly you're getting ripped by the facts of the situation.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

BG, Dik did live in Miamuh. So maybe he has a little more insight on this subject than you. Just sayin'.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, fighting about a dead guy, classy.

He was a great player and a symbol for Skins fan, but he is gone and arguing the facts on whether or not he was a thug or smart enough to get an ADT system, IMO is useless.

I 100% agree on Wilbon, used to be my favorite sports reporter, but his head has gotten to big and shiny.

I enjoy reading Whitlock on Fox though.

Hail Skins.

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

lh, great good for dik, I lived in Malden, Quincy, Braintree, among other places, doesn't change the facts of the case

He had home security.

He lived in a nice neighborhood.

Those are not up for dispute.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Toldja Dik.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

steve mcnair may have appeared to live his life honorably, but he didn't die honorably. Sean Taylor may not have live his life honorably (according to some peoples standards), but he died honorably, in his home protecting his baby girl and his girlfriend. His last act on Earth was defending his family, he was a Man, a good Man. RIP ST21

Sean Springs was one of our best players when he was on the field no doubt about it, but i finally last year started to get upset about all of his injuries and when the money's gone it's time to move on...

Posted by: retroskins14 | August 20, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, fighting about a dead guy, classy.

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse
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RI has simply joined the ranks of existing and established religions on that one.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

You guys quoting irrelevant 'facts' that indicate NOTHING is not changing the reality of the situation.

The dealing/stealing going on in Perrine, Palmetto Bay is serious. It is not the place a high-profile target should live. And they don't... Except for ST.

Why are you guys taking this so personal anyway? There is no slant against your hero. You are trying to create one, from nothing - to serve some quasi-societal agenda. It's crap. I'm calling you out on crap.

You have a pre-supposition in your mind about how things should be and you're insterting that here, instead of recognizing that you 'can't go home again' and once you've become a target you have to protect yourself. It's that simple. Accept it or at least shut up about it... geeze.

As long as you keep spouting crap, I'll call you out on it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Who's there?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

But have you lived in Miami or Dade County, Fla.? To what facts are you referring? You only know what you received second and third hand. And a home's price is not always indicative of the surrounding community. There are places in DC that sold for close to a million that are literally around the corner from the "hood."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

dl, what was i thinking, you're right, we should just take you and dik's 'view' of what happened and ignore the facts....i forgot, I mean, I've never spent any time in the 305 so what do i know.....there are facts, then there is living in the "305 son", and they should never be confused.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh, for the luvva...

Would you guys trying to throw dirt on ST please give it up and argue about something else. THIS IS A NO-WIN DISCUSSION FOR YOU.

Seriously, just drop it. It's offensive and shameful. Think what you want, but please don't bring that garbage into here.

As Skins fans, we should all share a zero tolerance policy on this topic. Show some respect for the dead.

And Wilbon was way out of bounds with what he wrote too.

Posted by: McMetal | August 20, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

ST21 was a thug. I never heard anything different about the man until after he was murdered. It was a tragic death and he is surely missed by his loved ones much more than anyone of us could miss him for his talent on the field. However, he was a Human Being first and foremost.And a young one at that. What were you like in your early 20's? Its too bad he never got the chance to mature and be not only a greater player but a greater person. Its just a shame that his wealth got him murdered first. Was he from a background? absolutely, and we don't change overnight. RIP 21

Posted by: scottmando | August 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

ST21 was a thug. I never heard anything different about the man until after he was murdered. It was a tragic death and he is surely missed by his loved ones much more than anyone of us could miss him for his talent on the field. However, he was a Human Being first and foremost.And a young one at that. What were you like in your early 20's? Its too bad he never got the chance to mature and be not only a greater player but a greater person. Its just a shame that his wealth got him murdered first. Was he from a background? absolutely, and we don't change overnight. RIP 21

Posted by: scottmando | August 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

a bad background i meant

Posted by: scottmando | August 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Clinton Portis is present, but originally was not in a shell. However, he has traded his cap for a helmet and is running a couple of drills."

Jason Reid

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Details. Filling in between the lines. Helping us to visualize.

Narrative journalism in its infancy, but yes, this is a great start, Jason.

Yes!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I never heard he was a Thug, Scott. I have MAD respect for ST21, the player and the man. His father is a top/cop.

He had some bad connections, but that doesn't make him one.

And how 'bout we keep this discussion here instead of the newer threds.

Beaner, you keep bringing up 'facts' that don't have bearing. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm bringing up plenty of truth about the situation and you're not listening. Do you wish me to argue point by point as you are? I can. I just didn't think it was necessary.

Lem'me know.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

This whole 'discussion' about ST-Wilbon is like a bad case of Montezuma's revenge...you just need to let it run its course. Speaking of the runs...has anyone heard from FireJimZorn? At least we can all agree on that one...

Posted by: BigE44 | August 20, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Of our stable of CBs last year, D'Angelo Hall included, I still think Springs was the best. I can't deny the health issues, but Springs otherwise was, in my mind, one of the best corners in the league (yes, best and league). I don't think he was fragile, just old. New England got a good one there.

Also, I think Jerry Gray is ready to become a defensive coordinator somewhere and soon. I'm good with Blache too, but does anyone know his current contract term?

p.s. I'm glad for the new thread. Discussing Wilbon (like talking about that turd in St. Louis, name escapes) = power rankings.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Metal, you say to drop it and then take a shot, niice.

Using someones death as a soapbox is offensive, which is exactly what Wilbon did, which is what Beaner did, which is what you did.

I'm reacting to that crap. Stop using Taylor's death as an excuse to push a pseudo-socio agenda.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I posted this on the next thread:
dl, what was i thinking, you're right, we should just take you and dik's 'view' of what happened and ignore the facts....i forgot, I mean, I've never spent any time in the 305 so what do i know.....there are facts, then there is living in the "305 son", and they should never be confused.....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 10:19 AM

Greg, your interpretation of something does not make it an undisputable fact. You probably live in a nice neighborhood. Do you have an alarm on your house, and if so, don’t you use it? Or do you sleep with a machete under your pillow, and “only” a machete because you are not allowed to have a gun due to prior incidents in your “home town”? 4th recently said he is essentially like Mike Vick and indeed has turned his life around. Let’s ask 4th if he sleeps with a machete or a gun under his pillow….
I agree with Dik….These “facts” you continue to allude to are only your interpretation, except the part about him actually having an alarm maybe. Aren’t you choosing to ignore the fact that he slept with a machete? And what other facts do you have than reading about what Clinton Portis says about his good buddy?

Anyway I’m not saying that he wasn’t trying to turn his life around, of course I only “know” this from what I’ve read…same as anyone else. Wilbon talks to more NFL players and coaches than I do though. Besides, his main point was that he was not SURPRISED that it happened to ST. Everyone takes his quote about embracing the thug lifestyle and just goes all ape-sjk about what a liar Wilbon is and blah blah blah. I said it before and I will say it again…I wasn’t surprised either. I wouldn’t have predicted it, but I wasn’t surprised. When I heard/read the headlines that a Redskins player had been shot, I immediately thought it was ST. Mark Brunell did not immediately come to mind as a guy who might get shot; it was ST. But most of the hero worshippers up here just don’t want to hear anything that disparages their picture of what he was, and anyone who tries to say anything negative just gets called a racist, or ignorant of the “facts” or whatever.

My favorite Redskin of all time is John Riggins. If he were to die of liver failure and Wilbon or whoever said that Riggo was a drunk and we all know it and that his lifestyle of boozing and partying is what caught up to him and killed him I wouldn’t get all up in arms screaming that he quit drinking years ago, had turned his life around, get the FACTS, you lying scumbag and blah blah blah. Anyone who drinks like he DID runs the risk of having it kill you later in life. I just don’t understand how some people are so affected by the death of a guy they didn’t even know personally….you’d think he was some peole’s brother or best friend they way they react……sheesh.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Come on Dik. I was a huge fan of ST21 but he wasn't a thug? He shot at dudes on the street and he spit in players faces in NFL games. I rooted for him and applauded him but I don't have "mad respect" for him. I wouldn't hang out with him if he wasn't ST21 and was just ST, put it that way. I feel bad for his family, friends, fans and teammates for their loss but lets stop acting like he was such a great man just because we lost a good player with great potential.

Posted by: scottmando | August 20, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon talks to more NFL players and coaches than I do though
He didn't talk to ST, and that is a F A C T, so riddle me this, how did MW gain such insight into someone's life, who he didn't talk to??
not even close to a hero worshipper either...."305 son"
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 10:37 AM
Didn’t say he talked to ST…..just other players and coaches, so as for your riddle of “how did MW gain such insight into someone's life, who he didn't talk to??” I ask how YOU have all this insight that contradicts Wilbons??

The 305 son was Dik’s comment……and you seem to be getting a little emotional for someone who didn’t worshjp the guy.

I have to say I totally agree with scottmando’s comment:
“feel bad for his family, friends, fans and teammates for their loss but lets stop acting like he was such a great man just because we lost a good player with great potential.” Kind of quickly sums up what I have been trying to say.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I believe he was returning fire. After going to retrieve his stolen property. A little different than straight thuggery.

I can't vouch for the man's character, however I don't believe there were accusations of him being a straight up thug. And he was around them. If he was one, I think they'da said it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Got a meeting... bbl!

Great discussion, kiidz! (I think I missed out on it the first time around)

IT'S ABOUT THIS 'U'!!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Ok, we may be talking about different degrees of thuggery Dik. I'm sure he was a better guy than the ones who murdered him. Being rich kinda helps give you a different perspective on life. Maybe calling him a thug is unfair even. But, I'm not going to pretend he was such a great man either just because I'm a lifelong Redskins fan either. It is what it is. Like someone else said, I wasn't all that surprised when I heard about it because that was the impression I already had of him. So why is it necessary to remember him for more than he was? He was a great safety for my beloved Redskins and I enjoyed watching him hit people and make big plays. But if he was a Cowboy, everyone here would be talking about how he was a thug. I'm glad we had him and good for him that he is so fondly remembered, not only for his accomplishments as a player but for his contributions to the world as a great person. Like Don King always said "Only in America"!

Posted by: scottmando | August 20, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

You guys probably saw the beep, but I saw the word "Brunell" and feel compelled to leave this thread.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Sween, you meant burress didn't you?

Posted by: scottmando | August 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I can fully grant you that, Scott

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Not going to blame the victim when it comes to ST. He was shot in his own house which could happen to almost anyone of us. Waking up bleary eyed in the middle of the night to get shot by amateur thieves is not a reason to condemn a man. Ok, he could have lived in a gated neighborhood but it does seem that his neighborhood was nice enough. Do not care about whatever he did prior to getting shot - it does not matter. He got shot after waking up to thieves. He was sleeping.

Not going to call him a saint, but it was a tragedy. from a selfish standpoint, it cost the team I follow a very high draft pick that was actually panning out (though not a wasted draft pick like Desmond Howard which is a much lesser tragedy).

Posted by: HughGRection | August 20, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

What ashame you had idoits emailing you about the guy who was our best corner.
Half a season or not he was our best corner!
I hope we have a great pass rush because if not you will see these DB get toast out there.
Only a true skins fan will tell you the truth not these FF fans lol

Posted by: shamken | August 20, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Jason Campbell is by no means an NFL quarterback.

It's time to say goodbye to Vincent Cerrato.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Maryland will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland's defensive line and linebacker corps are a joke --- no pass rush whatsoever and give up a ton of long yardage plays.

I have seen harder hitting teams in powder puff leagues.

The only hard hits the Terps make - are out of bound plays - which cost them an additional 15 yards - which are quite frequent.

California's running back - Best - will gain 296 yards in the opening game

I love it, when Maryland constantly gets embarrassed on national TV.

Prediction:

California -- 56
Maryland -- 10

It's hilarious to see Maryland win a game - and the very next week get clobbered by a Virginia Tech - Boston College.

It is great to see Maryland go down to a crushing defeat on the football recruiting front (the kids they have received commitments from - are a joke! - taking the bottom of the barrel)

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | August 20, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

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