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Analysis: Haynesworth-Blache relationship at a boil

It seems Redskins Park is not big enough for Albert Haynesworth and defensive coordinator Greg Blache. That's my sense of things after speaking with many people in the organization over the last couple of days about what one of the team sources described as the "awful" Haynesworth-Blache relationship.

Late Friday afternoon, Haynesworth revealed for the first time that he feels Blache has been dismissive in ignoring his input about potential changes ("he talks to me like I'm a child," Haynesworth said) that could improve Blache's scheme. Haynesworth said that has had an adverse effect on his performance and that of other players.


Although most players would be way out of line for trying to get involved in game planning, the Redskins created this problem last February because of their promises to Haynesworth when they made him the highest-paid player in NFL history with $41 million in guaranteed money. High-ranking Redskins officials assured Haynesworth that Blache would make changes in his disciplined scheme in an attempt to provide Haynesworth with the type of on-field freedom he enjoyed in his first seven seasons as a member of the Tennessee Titans, people with knowledge of the situation in the organization said.

For the most part, however, Blache has maintained his previous approach, which has helped Washington rank ninth overall in defense and produced four top-10 finishes defensively in Blache's six seasons with the team. Blache was said to be furious about Haynesworth's recent post-game comments concerning his scheme and the team lacking leadership. Blache was even more upset, sources said, about Haynesworth sounding off after being kicked out of practice and sent home for arriving late to the complex Friday.

In a team meeting early last week, Blache, according to people in the room, made it seem as if Haynesworth was calling out some of his teammates - middle linebacker London Fletcher, defensive lineman Phillip Daniels and defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin, among the most respected players in the locker room - with his comments after the embarrassing 45-12 loss to the New York Giants. Haynesworth was talking about the coaches, sources said, but Blache's comments prompted Haynesworth to clarify what he said and initiate a private conversation with Fletcher.

If it were up to Blache, Haynesworth would have been suspended for his ongoing public critiques of the scheme and Blache. Blache made it clear he would not start Haynesworth in tonight's nationally televised game against the Dallas Cowboys at FedEx Field, but Haynesworth will start, the sources said. Blache has not made his feelings publicly known; since Oct. 8, he has publicly addressed the media only to promote his players for Pro Bowl voting.

Owner Daniel Snyder persuaded Blache, who told people he planned to retire after the 2008 season, to return this season. Although Blache has said he has another year on his contract, he is expected to retire after the season. The belief among some at Redskins Park is that Snyder already has a deal in place with former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan to become team president and coach.

Barring shocking developments, Haynesworth will be back in 2010. Washington's next defensive coordinator must put Haynesworth in position to best utilize his skills. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Haynesworth, Snyder has made a huge investment in him. If Haynesworth continued to be unhappy and unproductive by his standards, his contract would become the worst of the Snyder era.

First, though, there's one more home game in this season tonight. Final score: Dallas 31, Redskins 17.

By Jason Reid  |  December 27, 2009; 10:55 AM ET
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The Ocala Banner is listing Mike Shanannahanhan as one of the top three candidates for the Florida Gators.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | December 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If Mike does come here it will be just like the Zorn era with his OC Portis and his DC Big Al already in place.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | December 27, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

things were looking up right before danny boy decided to end the season 3 weeks too early, by making changes to front office n fanning rumor flames for a new coach, in turn alienating the head coach like he did the starting qb. the danny is sooo clueless.. if things would have stopped wit vinnie stepping down, we might very well be talkin win streak right now..

Posted by: cboyhater | December 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

31 - 17? How depressing.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

When it comes to winning football the danny is a looser - so far.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 27, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a ell about a winning streak right now !! In the words of ST21........WE WANT DALLAS!!!

Posted by: jiza32 | December 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Reason #2 why I hated this signing. Complete disregard for the style of defense your staff wants to run. What's worse is the FO made the same mistake in consecutive off-seasons (See Taylor, Jason).

And I would like a more experienced football perspective to weigh in on this, but if Blache (or anyone) is not modifying their scheme to take advantage of their players strengths, then - in the words of Tony Kornheiser - thats a 'gots to go situation'

PS - Reason #1 was the $45 mil guaranteed.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh noes! Not another 17-point game!

Posted by: theduck | December 27, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

But it's not your money and Albert is a good player when used correctly

Posted by: jiza32 | December 27, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

If I were blache I would adjust what I needed to , to make AH comfortable....

Posted by: jiza32 | December 27, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

things were looking up right before danny boy decided to end the season 3 weeks too early, by making changes to front office n fanning rumor flames for a new coach, in turn alienating the head coach like he did the starting qb. the danny is sooo clueless.. if things would have stopped wit vinnie stepping down, we might very well be talkin win streak right now..

Posted by: cboyhater | December 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse
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They'd be 7-9 if they won out. What does that accomplish? Vinny The-Rat-O is gone.

If at the beginning of the season, you asked me if I would rather see 7-9 with Vinny surviving the season, or 4-12 with him getting canned with 3 games to go, I put those 3 losses in the books and find an early happy hour.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I think big AL Haynesworth would be helping his cause out with criticisms on the coaching, if he wasn't lying on the ground at the end of every other play cause hes so out of shape.

Posted by: enklby | December 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

It is what it is! Haynesworth is a force. Miami changed it's offensive scheme to fit its personnel with the Wildcat last year and made the playoffs. The Patriots started more vertical routes after Randy Moss.

Blache is a stubborn old man, that was tired of answering tough questions when his defense continued to play a "loose" zone at the end of games and gave up points. He ripped blondie on Comcast for asking questions. He is an "ok" Coordinator. He makes poor adjustments. The one game he takes Landry out of the Free Safety Role, and played him on the line, we crush the Raida's! Against the Giants, back to Free Safety.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 27, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

But it's not your money and Albert is a good player when used correctly

Posted by: jiza32 | December 27, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse
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Who cares whose money it is? The more you pay one player, the less you can pay other players. Meaning that an AH (especially an overpaid one) can actually hurt your roster. I'm a fan, not an accountant.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 27, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The Ocala Banner is listing Mike Shanannahanhan as one of the top three candidates for the Florida Gators.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | December 27, 2009 11:07 AM

Interesting. Shanahan was reportedly very interested in the UF job last time around but chose to stay in Denver. That would be funny as hell if Snyder whacked Vinny and hired Allen to please MS only to see him go to UF.

With that scenario maybe Allen will be able to run a legit coaching search unlike the circus that happenened last time.

Posted by: skinswest | December 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

As between Haynesworth and Blache, I'd rather see Haynesworth here next year. But this stunt -- coming in late, getting sent to his room, and whining to the media -- is disappointing. One more distraction for a team that has way too many of them and, for what?

In the middle of the week he was bytching about "a lack of leadership" on the team. At the end of the week (what used to be known as Dallas week) he's pouting and sulking and showing that despite being the highest paid guy on the team, he's not going to supply any leadership. There's no I in team but Haynesworth is content with the ME in team.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The Ocala Banner is listing Mike Shanannahanhan as one of the top three candidates for the Florida Gators.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | December 27, 2009 11:07 AM

Is this the same Ocala Banner that broke the big story about, uh, let me try to remember that big story....

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So moving forward into a new team with a real NFL head coach and manager, the coaches need to change what they're doing to make happy those big-name players being paid the most, regardless of how those players fit into the system the team is running.

And here I assumed that Clinton Portis would be gone after this season.

Posted by: notindc1 | December 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how you can defend Blache. Those high defensive rankings are a mirage. Any Skins fan who has been watching has watched our top 10 defense consistently give up leads and wilt when it counted most, so top 10 defense not so impressive. I also think maybe Blache is a little too stubborn ya you can't let the players gameplan, but accepting input I think is necessary. I say let Albert run wild it worked in Tenn. so why not. Why would you pay $100 mil. (as these insider bloggers just can't stop reminding us- hey J. Reid everyone on the planet knows how much they are paying him so enough already) for a square peg to try to force it into a round hole. THAT imo has been the problem here for a decade. Buying all these high priced toys and not having a clue how to use them.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 27, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The Ocala Banner is listing Mike Shanannahanhan as one of the top three candidates for the Florida Gators.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | December 27, 2009 11:07 AM

Is this the same Ocala Banner that broke the big story about, uh, let me try to remember that big story....

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 12:12 PM Yes indeed they broke that story AND their sporta editor slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | December 27, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I want CJ Spiller!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I remember a coach changing his philosophy once he saw his players didn't fit that system. Joe Gibbs 1.0. Stubborn old coaches need to go. A shame that Gibbs 2.0 became a stubborn old man.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is not going to Florida...Not enough

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Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Was Haynesworth right airng his beef to the media -- absolutely not! This is a team sport and to be successful every component must be in sync for the team to win. Now, having said that, was Big Al correct in his assessment? I think so. I've felt all along the talent on defense has not been properly utilized. Can't stand the loose cover zone which has rarely stopped an opponent on third and long this year. Point is, though, Al should have made his opinion known in a more private setting with the coach. Maybe he already's done that, who knows. Solution: Looks like the coaches are all but gone; let's add all the "runaway ego" players to the list, strip it down and start from ground zero with a new GM and head coach and rebuild a team that fosters the qualities needed to become a consistent winner. As a TEAM thi time, not a group of overpaid, underachieving individuals. I know..I know..fat chance of that happening with Danny in charge.

Posted by: bones21 | December 27, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, if you remember back to '08, Blache's highly rated defense had a big problem: no QB pressure, way too few turnovers. So the FO signed Albert and drafted Orakpo and Jeremy Jarmon. We knew at the time the team defensive stats would drop somewhat, because the Skins would be playing more aggressively. We wanted to be the '07 Giants, making opposing QBs quake in their loafers.

But Orakpo ended up at SAM and Albert was asked to play containment.

Which makes you wonder how much say Blache had in those acquisitions in the first place. Maybe he'd rather have signed a superstar at free safety.

I don't see conflict between a star and his coordinator as a big negative. It just might motivate both to try harder. If you look at the history of professional sports, you'll see many winning clubs marked by a degree of internal dissension. Yet they were able to come together and play effectively on game day.

No, IMO the problem comes down to the offense not being able to hold up its end of the bargain. Giants' game aside, that's been the real culprit this season. When the offense plays reasonably well, the defense shines.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly, laserwiz, you could say Gibbs saw the error of his ways midway through the 2.0 regime, and -- having at his disposal BOTH the ability to change AND Snyder's "anything you want, spare no expense" enabling -- overreacted with the hire of Al "700" Saunders. Change was warranted, but not that change.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"First, though, there's one more home game in this season tonight. Final score: Dallas 31, Redskins 17."

EF YOU J-Reid!

Posted by: dcwun | December 27, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This defense is SOFT. Who cares about to 10 defense, I want a defense that can stop the other team when it will securea a win (Saints game). Can anyone think of any game changing plays this defense has made all year?

Why go get a player like Hayneworth if you are not going to use him for what he does best? It would be like signing Peyton Manning and telling him, in our offensive scheme there are no audibles, we call the play and you run it. Oh wait, that is our offense.

The defensive against the Giants wsa horrible. This defense allows the apposing offense to convert more 3rd and 10+ than any other in the league. Third and 10 do we blitz no, we play zone and give ELI all day to throw the ball. It wouldn't be so bad if it only happened once but they did the same thing three times, inexcusable.

Elite defenses make game changing plays, this defense does not make enough game changing plays.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 27, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

m-p-holmes

Well said, couldn't agree more.

Posted by: bones21 | December 27, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

You got to love the Post. They go with what ever angle is negative. First the write how the top 10 D isn't all that because they don't get a lot of sacks or turnovers. Now they defend the top 10 ranking because it creates a negative on big Al. Post you can't have it both ways. Pick a damn one and stick with it.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 27, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I think the point laserwiz was trying to make is that these guys are pros and became pros because of certain things they excel in. Big Al didn't achieve beastly status by being a robot in Biatch's system. You either have to find the right guys out there for your system or flex the system around your all-star player's strengths. Biatch's stubborness and inability to adapt is the problem, not Big Al's ability. Until the Skins recognize this and either do one or the other, we'll always have free agent busts.

Posted by: HTTR | December 27, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Most of the talking heads are against Haynesworth's behaviour. He's another CP in the making.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 27, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

FF CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES

The Peeps league has Tampa's team playing my Futaleufu team.

Tampa has already played Rivers, while the Futa have played Chris Johnson and Vincent Jackson. The Futa lead, 31-17.

The Futa, with 7 slots to play, will throw Tom Brady, Ray Rice, Jason Snelling, Greg Jennings, Larry Fitzgerald, Saints K Garrett Hartley and the Bengal defesne vs KC.

Tampa, with 8 slots, goes with Frank Gore, Knowshown Moreno, Thomas Jones, Sidney Rice, Calvin Johnson, K Steven Gotkowski and the Viking defense vs Chicago.

Some big game potentials include Gore vs Det, the Viking defense in Chicago and Fitzgerald vs StL. Meaninglessly, ESPN forecasts a 133-116 win for the Futa.

Over in the Hamster league, Suzanne's Trippin Bliiles take on cL's F Bombers. Rivers and K Rob Bironas have already been played by the Bombers, to a 22-0 lead.

The Bombers, with 7 slots remaining, go with Laurence Maroney, Jamaal Charles, Steven Jackson, Roddy White, desean jackson, Reggie Waye and the Jets defense.

The Billies counter with all 9 slots still to go, Matt Schaub, brandon jacobs, Maurice Jones-Drew, Cedric Benson, Hines Ward, Brandon Marshall, Tony Gonzales, the Pats defense and K Matt Prater.

Breakout potential are strongest for Benson vs KC and Maroney vs Jacksonville. ESPN forecasts a 100-91 win for the Billies.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 27, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Dallas 31, Redskins 17!

How could you Mayor? what a conceit!

F Dallas

Posted by: Surfercalavera | December 27, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

What Albert said was right, but him saying it to the media was wrong. It's a testimony to blache's lack of understanding of his players skill sets that he has Orakpo at linebacker.

Posted by: elderdave1 | December 27, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I want CJ Spiller!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What Albert said was right, but him saying it to the media was wrong. It's a testimony to blache's lack of understanding of his players skill sets that he has Orakpo at linebacker.

Posted by: elderdave1 | December 27, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION FOR ANYONE:

IS ATLANTA MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED FROM PLAYOFF CONTENTION OR CAN THEY WIN OUT AND GET IN WITH GB IF THE COWPIES AND THE GINAS BOTH LOSE OUT

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 27, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Spiller will end up on the injured reserve ... just like Betts and Portis. They need to fix the OL PERIOD. AND LAST WEEK'S GAME SHOWED SOME PRETTY LACKLUSTER PLAY!
PORTIS IS HOPEFULLY GONE. HE IS A WASTE and should languish on the bench. AND THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LEFT HAYNESWORTH ALONE ... BUT YOU ALL (AND SNYDER) HAD TO HAVE A "BEAS" PASS RUSHER ON THE DEFENSIVE LINE ... EVEN WHEN THE SCHEME DIDN'T MATCH IT? ORAPKO AT LINEBACKER MATCHES THE 4-3 SCHEME. NOT AT DE, SO ??? THERE IS DEFINITELY A DISCONNECT BETWEEN SNYDER/THE FO AND HIS COACHES.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Spiller will end up on the injured reserve ... just like Betts and Portis. They need to fix the OL PERIOD. AND LAST WEEK'S GAME SHOWED SOME PRETTY LACKLUSTER PLAY!
PORTIS IS HOPEFULLY GONE. HE IS A WASTE and should languish on the bench. AND THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LEFT HAYNESWORTH ALONE ... BUT YOU ALL (AND SNYDER) HAD TO HAVE A "BEAST" PASS RUSHER ON THE DEFENSIVE LINE ... EVEN WHEN THE SCHEME DIDN'T MATCH IT? ORAPKO AT LINEBACKER MATCHES THE 4-3 SCHEME. NOT AT DE, SO ??? THERE IS DEFINITELY A DISCONNECT BETWEEN SNYDER/THE FO AND HIS COACHES.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is a hyper sensitive my way or the high way DCoord. Who'd have thunk that he would make Gregg Williams look like Alan Alda?

I'm glad Bruce Allen will have 3 games to observe all the present issues looming over this team.

If Jerry Gray doesn't get the head job I'd like to see him in charge of the entire defense next season.

Posted by: elfreako | December 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, both the coaching staff and Haynesworth are acting ridiculous.

Zorn should not have sent Al home - Zorn only has 2 games left (and if we lose badly to Dallas, he may be fired tonight) so why cause an uproar? Blache should allow Al to do what he does best - maybe then we would have won more games.

On the other hand, Al is making a LOT of money and everyone knows Blache will be gone in 2 weeks, so why couldn't he have just kept his mouth shut? He only has 2 more weeks of Blache's defense?

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 27, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

As the evil Bill Bill-a-chick once said, "stats are for losers". Great to have top 10 D's on paper but the only 2 stats that count are the scoreboard and the record. We still underachieve every week! Gap discipline doesn't matter when you give up 3rd and longs when the game's on the line. Regardless of windbag AH's antics, Blatche stinks! Look what Gregg Williams is doing with not even half the talent!

Posted by: papashake | December 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

ZORN,

ATLANTA IS OFFICIALLY OUT!

LISA,

I partially agree, but Blache is sooo disrespectful to people, in this instance, I don't mind Haynesworth speaking out at this point. If it were Week 2, yes. Not in Week 16. Look at Blache's record. He is just an ol' crotchetty elder, who is above being questioned.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 27, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha......Giants are getting some of the same medicine that they gave the skins. They're losing to the Panther 17-0. What goes around comes around

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 27, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"...got to love the Post. They go with what ever angle is negative. First the write how the top 10 D isn't all that because they don't get a lot of sacks or turnovers. Now they defend the top 10 ranking because it creates a negative on big Al. Post you can't have it both ways. Pick a damn one and stick with it.Posted by: icetotalpackage"

In the world of journalism, printing both sides is thought of as being fair. Objective. Otherwise, the argument goes, you're no better than any ranting fan such as ... well, you figure it out.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, coaches design the schemes and players get paid a lot of money to operate within those schemes. Haynesworth had a reputation of being difficult coming in and he's not doing much to change that.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 27, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

What I find more troubling in the Haynesworth saga was the comment in the article that apparently upper management allows players to come to practice two hours late. If that's the case it's no wonder that the Redskins will end up with anywhere from a 4-12 to a 6-10 record.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The skins have a history of misusing players or playing them out of their natural position to satisfy a coaches’ ego………………………………………………….

Brian Orakpo: Played DE in college, skins are playing him as a part-time LB

Chad Rinehart: Played tackle in college- Skins want to make him a guard

Albert Haynesworth:- cause havoc as a DT/DE in Tennessee, skins want to constrain him

Jason Taylor:- Played mostly Right DE in Miami, skins played him mostly as a left DE (ineffective)

Laron Landry:Played strong safety in college, skins are playing him at FS ( gets beat constantly)

Chris Wilson: should be a DE, skins are playing him as a LB (have we heard his name much this year)

Adam Archuleta: played SS with Rams- skins played him at FS ( too slow and constantly beat at FS)

Malcolm Kelly, Marko Mitchell, Devin Thomas: (All 6-2 or taller but plays called don’t take advantage of their height)

Lavar Arrington: A pass rushing force in college, but was handcuffed at LB with the skins

Jason Campbell: A drop back pocket passer but now must be a quick 3 step drop (west coast type)

Randle El: Why was he returning punts ALL YEAR????????

***I'm sure there is more....

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Albert is sick; sick of losing.

Hard to defend him breaking organizational rank in this manner, but this not a very enviable outfit to be working for.

No team unity, at any level...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What I find more troubling in the Haynesworth saga was the comment in the article that apparently upper management allows players to come to practice two hours late. If that's the case it's no wonder that the Redskins will end up with anywhere from a 4-12 to a 6-10 record.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 2:07 PM |

I think this is a misunderstanding. Management has asked Coach Zorn to come in two hours late -- or even to take a couple of weeks off if he'd like.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

What concerns me more is that, if what Haynesworth is true, management is allowing players to act unprofessionally. Given that they are receiving salaries well into the tens of millions of dollars, the least that they could do is come to practice on time.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The Ginas look as bad today as the Redskins did Monday night. They may have screwed us, but they should have used a condom -- we infected them with an STD.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Good point kingpenn about Kelly and Mitchell...

This is my single biggest beef with Zorn. We continue to use ARE to throw fades to. Kelly cannot develop because of Randle-El.

I want CJ Spiller!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Does a Giants loss automatically mean that DAL is in?

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Does a Giants loss automatically mean that DAL is in?

Posted by: jiacinto
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If Giants lose and the Cowgirls win,,,cowgirls are in the playoffs

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 27, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok...so what I here you guys saying is that we should draft all O-lineman so Quinton Ganther can wreak havoc on the NFL and Jason Campbell will make faster reads.

"C'mon man!!!!"
- Chris Johnson,

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Does a Giants loss automatically mean that DAL is in?

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

They still need a win. If this isn't incentive for the Skins...

Posted by: papashake | December 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This team has no coverage talent, so what is Fat Al talking about when he says people arent being utilized correctly?

Skins are 5th in the NFL in sacks, so what's the problem exactly?

Fat Al's acting like he's been shot in the face after every other play is the biggest disappointment of the Skins defense. NO PLAYER should have the gall to call out the coaches when they cant even stay on the field for a few plays without puking

Posted by: divi3 | December 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"win streak" !!!!

who the hell cares?

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Kelly cannot develop because of Randle-El.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 2:25 PM

ZZZZZorn has exactly two more games as a HC. His interest in developing players is about as low as RI's interest in reading another post about why Devin Thomas shouldn't have been allowed to return a kick off.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Just an embarrassing season all around. Fat Albert is 100% correct but come on bro, you know change is coming - keep your mouth shut for two more weeks and focus on beating Dallas, that's the only thing we have left to hang our hat on...

Posted by: SKINSINLA | December 27, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

We'll really see if the Skins "QUIT" tonight...

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

i hope the giants come back and win cause id rather see them make it to the playoffs than the cowirls.

Posted by: zorn_sucks | December 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

From what I have seen, I think we have a chance to have a top receiving core...I'm not ready to cut bait with Kelly.

Now he's a guy that would leave and be a BEAST!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Put 5 sandwiches under the bench where Fat Albert plops his butt during the game, and we're talking 3 sacks, 8 tackles, and hugs around Blache.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 27, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

What if Dallas loses tonight and the Eagles win and Green Bay Wins...

Would Dallas be out?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad someone finally opened their mouth & stood up to these Mr. Softee coaches. I bet every player in that locker is on Haytnesworth's side about this issue. I want to knnow now why it is we are failing as a team not at the end of the season....and haynesworth gave us a very good hint. Coaches need to go.

Posted by: lszovati | December 27, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Was Haynesworth right airng his beef to the media -- absolutely not!"

The Book of Professional Conduct dictates that when things are going bad, the professional thing to do is shut up and perform as best you can.

After all, if things suck for you, well, they suck for everyone else, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Reason #2 why I hated this signing. Complete disregard for the style of defense your staff wants to run. What's worse is the FO made the same mistake in consecutive off-seasons (See Taylor, Jason)....

PS - Reason #1 was the $45 mil guaranteed.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

Agree Matt.

The entire brouhaha is just a sympton of the greater illness--Snyder's running the team into the ground, with decisions based on Ego satisfaction and potential market worth.

One good thing may come of it. Shanahan may be scared off from joining the nuthouse.

Posted by: TheCork | December 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Giants getting destroyed by a very average Carolina team, one week after running rough shot over the Redskins is telling:

We are either waaaaaaaay below average, or Carolina is much better than I give 'em credit for, or last week was just an anomaly for the Skins, and we'll pull out a consolation win against the Cowboys tonight.

My gut tells me we're ripe for an azz whoopin' / are low hanging fruit / about to be eviscerated on national TV, in our home stadium.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If 'Aints lose and Cowboys Win, they are in. If Philly loses, next week Cowboys and Eagles are playing for the East Title. One of these two will win the East and likely the other will be the WC with Green Bay.

Boy it would be nice to screw the pooch here!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

samsom

"Which makes you wonder how much say Blache had.....in the first place."

He had none.

It's it obvious?

Both he and Joe Bugel were given players not asked for, then blamed when those players didn't produce the way Vinny promised they would.

Thing is, now Cerrato is gone, Zorn is emasculated, the season is in shambles, and in Haynesworth's case, the desire for a contract signing 'do-over' wanted.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"First, though, there's one more home game in this season tonight. Final score: Dallas 31, Redskins 17."


The skins will show up tonite and beat the cowboys.

F Dallas.

This is a redskins' blog, ain't it?

Folks got their tails between their legs from what I see.

So we got waxed by the jints on national tv.

That was a week ago.

Real football men have short memories.

But when the cowboys enter FEDEX Field, the skins will have total recall.

Skins win 28-17.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is not a BUST...please define BUST!

Brandon Lloyd did NOTHING...BUST!

Adam Archuleta did NOTHING...BUST!

Haynesworth talks to much and is out of shape, but Andre Carter is going to the Pro Bowl.

No way in hell Carter and Orakpo have those sacks without Haynesworth's presence.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

No way in hell Carter and Orakpo have those sacks without Haynesworth's presence.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 3:05 PM

I would have thought this until the Oakland game. Haynesworth didn't play and Orakpo had four sacks and was defensive player of the week. Still, I think Al's helped both of them a bunch.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Our special teams coach is the most aggressive, innovative person on the skins coaching staff. Zorn has a vanilla offensive attack. Blache plays a soft defense. Whoever coaches our wr's and db's are stealing money. This whole staff is an embarrassment. Haynesworth is right.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 27, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Our special teams coach is the most aggressive, innovative person on the skins coaching staff. Zorn has a vanilla offensive attack. Blache plays a soft defense. Whoever coaches our wr's and db's are stealing money. This whole staff is an embarrassment. Haynesworth is right.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 27, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious the inmates are running the asylum. The coaches must accept that they are mere toadies for DannyBoy's high priced free agent boytoys. There is no connection between the talent and coaching schemes. The Skins are just a fantasy league concoction of a juvenile billionaire. Oh well, at least today we can enjoy the big steaming pile the Giants are laying at the Meadowlands in the final home game there.

Posted by: SackMan | December 27, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

CAROLINA 31 GIANTS 0!!! Now you tell me; the Panthers have more pride than this bunch of knuckleheads, this says so much about Zorn being hired in the first place and all i hear from the national media is how Zorn is being embarrased by Snyder; bull sh#t he should have never been hired to begin with he's the Manny Acta of football coach's he's in way over his head; Sherman Lewis is probably saying "one more game, i get my check and i'm outta here thank god" so you mean tell me Zorn was more qualified than Sherman Lewis that some more bull sh#t. Prediction: Cowboys 38 Skins 10 book it.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 27, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Urban Meyer staying at UF. He's just going to take a indefinite leave of absence.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

NEW ORLEANS - Two sources close to the situation told Florida Today that Urban Meyer has changed his mind and has decided he will return as the Gators' head coach after taking an indefinite leave of absence.

Offensive coordinator Steve Addazio will be the acting head coach until Meyer feels he is ready to return, according to the sources.

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Another destination closed to Shanananamanaman

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Our special teams coach is the most aggressive, innovative person on the skins coaching staff.Posted by: coparker5"

If so, it ain't paying off much. We're currently 24th of 32 teams. Our FG kicking has improved since last year, but our punt return and punt coverage isn't great.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is the next Coach of the Skins. Probably already has a contract written for at least $7.5 - 8 million a year... I would not be surprised if it were as much as $10 million/yr.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"No way in hell Carter and Orakpo have those sacks without Haynesworth's presence."

The point about the sacks in the raiders' game has been made.

So I'll point out something else: the Cowboys and Broncos and Giants all rushed the ball well with Prince Al on the field.

If I'm Jason Garrett--the 'boys offensive coordinator--I feed M Barber/T Choice up the middle early and often.

Why?: Prince Al gets exhausted, leaves the field to rest, then isn't there to apply pressure via the pass rush.

A complete defensive player (D Revis, J Peppers, H Ngota, T Polamalu, B Dawkins, etc.) doesn't let himself get toyed with like this.

But Haynesworth does.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Our special teams coach is the most aggressive, innovative person on the skins coaching staff.Posted by: coparker5"

Danny Smith should be the first coach fired! He is pathetic! Our teams always underperform. I have been screaming for his head since last year!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

clegg

"Danny Smith should be the first coach fired!"

I'm inclined to believe Mr. Allen will clean house.

If you were a new GM, wouldn't you want your hand-selected guys coaching your hand-selected players?

Smith, Blache, Zorn, Gray: the Gang of 4 will be redskin coaches no more.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not taking sides but is a top 10 defense(I believe we're ranked 9th) worth bragging about in a 32 team league? Good coaches develope schemes to make the most of their players assets. Blache did the same thing with Jason Taylor AND Orakpo.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

clegg

"Danny Smith should be the first coach fired!"


I'm inclined to believe Mr. Allen will clean house.

If you were a new GM, wouldn't you want your hand-selected guys coaching your hand-selected players?

Smith, Blache, Zorn, Gray: the Gang of 4 will be redskin coaches no more.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 3:37 PM

The entire coaching staff will be turned over.

Allen will then hire a coach and together they will round out the remaining staff. If there is anyone on the current staff worth keeping, I'm sure they will have a chance to interview.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith should be the first coach fired! He is pathetic! Our teams always underperform. I have been screaming for his head since last year!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 27, 2009 3:33 PM

CLEGG, He can't be first fired. They're all going at the same time, so hard to say who was first, who was last. If they go alphabetical order, he's way down the list. Even reverse alphabetical order would, fittingly, put Zorn first in line.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not taking sides but is a top 10 defense(I believe we're ranked 9th) worth bragging about in a 32 team league?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 27, 2009 3:46 PM

Well, yeah. If you're a top ten team in the league then you're in the playoffs. Top ten defense is doing its part. Problem is the other two units are bottom ten.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone watching the Saints game? The Saints are pathetic. They will not make it to the Super Bowl (hell, I don't know if they'll make it to the NFC Championship) with these performances the past 4-5 weeks.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

what is the difference between the Panthers and the Skins? They destroyed the Giants on the ground today almost 250 yards, and won 41-9. Skins are weak and spoiled at too many positions IMO. Too many "me first" players and not enough willing to sacrifice for the team.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Saints = peaked too soon!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

What's happened to the Saints today? Even the Redskins beat the Bucs!

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone watching the Saints game? The Saints are pathetic.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 3:56 PM

Leigh Torrence was the glue that held the team together.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Giants, with playoff hope on line, was blowed out by Pans, who had zilch to play for and was using a practice squad QB. Exact opposite of what happened with Skins. If Cleve can beat Oak the Skins might move up to number 5 in draft order, assumning they lose to Dal. Don't know what tiebreaker would be.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts exactly. On the other hand, the Chargers are the hottest team in the NFL. If they choose to put their starters in next week against the 'Skins, I expect another week 15 pounding.


AND THE SAINTS LOSE TO THE BUCS IN OT! HA HA HA!

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Saints = peaked too soon!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 3:58 PM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't know what tiebreaker would be.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:06 PM

Strength of schedule

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Too many "me first" players and not enough willing to sacrifice for the team.
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Here is the key question. Will Allen be able to impose discipline and cut ties with the "me first" players? Will Snyder allow Allen to impose discipline?

The biggest concern to me is the quote from Haynesworth stating that the coaching staff and upper management allowed players to come 2 hours late to practice. That speaks to me of a massive failure of accountability.

If I were Snyder, if I were the one writing the paychecks in the multimillion dollar range, I'd be fuming if the players came two hours late for practice. I'd call them into my office and tell them that, given their large salaries, that they should come to practice on time; and that tardiness will not be tolerated.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Saints are lucky to be 13-2. They should be 11-4.

Their defense sucks (Bucs offense outgained the Saints offense), which tells me they ain't going far in the playoffs.

And the Saints have Carolina in Carolina next week.

Vikings may still get home field advantage.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Top ten defense is doing its part.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 3:54 PM |

Heh, heh. Skins D let suckjob Giants lay 24 on them right out the gate. Pull head out of azz and looky around dud.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

As for the Giants game, I wonder how that game would've gone if the Giants' opening drive didn't end. They moved the ball really well and Eli threw for a TD but it was called back on a holding call. A few plays later Manningham caught a first down pass inside the 10 yard line then lost a fumble. Even though it was the opening drive that was a HUGE momentum swing that really got out of hand. The Giants just never recovered after that opening drive.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh. Skins D let suckjob Giants lay 24 on them right out the gate. Pull head out of azz and looky around dud.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:10 PM

Hey, Tub, 'Skins D kept them in so many games this year. If you haven't heard yet, the 'Skins D was not the reason we lost all those games. Heh, heh.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

things were looking up right before danny boy decided to end the season 3 weeks too early,

Posted by: cboyhater | December 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse


Yeah...that 4-9 record was REALLY encouraging.

Posted by: p1funk | December 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"High-ranking Redskins officials assured Haynesworth that Blache would make changes in his disciplined scheme in an attempt to provide Haynesworth with the type of on-field freedom he enjoyed in his first seven seasons as a member of the Tennessee Titans, people with knowledge of the situation in the organization said."


Translation:

When Vinny Cerrato lured Haynesworth here, he lied through his teeth and said anything and everything he thought necessary to land him. He made promises about a new defensive scheme, but didn't have a single solitary conversation with Blache about it. Then Cerratto showed up with his shiny new $100 million square peg and told Blache to stick him in a round hole.


Posted by: p1funk | December 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 27, 2009 4:22 PM

I would bet a large sum of Snyder's money that this is exactly what happened.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Tub, 'Skins D kept them in so many games this year. If you haven't heard yet, the 'Skins D was not the reason we lost all those games. Heh, heh.

Posted by: League-Source

you mean like the 99 yard drive they allowed to Detroit for the Lions win?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha! Are you guys seriously arguing which side of the ball sucks more on the 'Skins?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 27, 2009 4:22 PM

I would bet a large sum of Snyder's money that this is exactly what happened.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse


I'd bet my Christmas haul that the same thing happened with Jason Taylor.

Posted by: p1funk | December 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

My,

Not arguing, just saying the D ain't all that either. Mediocre is what I've called JC all year when actually it is applicable to the D, and Special Teams too. The O is below that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Carolina's Jonathan Stewart ran for over 100 yards against the Giants! He garnered many of theose yards in the second half when the Ginats knew they were running and had 10 men up at the line. Maybe a few O-linemen for the Panthers could be acquired via free agency. Of course, why would they go to a worse team?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

they allowed to Detroit for the Lions win?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:28 PM

Are you referring to the game where the offense put up 14 points? That game? 14 is the lowest that any team has scored against the Lions this year.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So the Redskins should go out and get 22 Hayneworths and change their scheme to support all 22 How to do you think that would work out? Not good eh?

The fact is, you modify your scheme to support one guy you damn well better have 21 other players that can back that guy up and at least one more just like that guy in case he goes down. If not, you end up 4-12 giving up an average of 30+ points a game, not in the top ten defenses.

You simply cannot come up with a scheme that can take advantage of 22 disparate players. It's why teams like New England, the Steelers, the Ravens, etc. put together the groups of players they do. Its why teams run a 3-4 or 4-3 or 4-6 or whatever they run. Its also why the Redskins defense will be bottom 10 next year after a new coach tries to change the scheme to something that better supports Haynesworth and ends up finding out the remaining guys just can't get the job done in that "scheme".

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | December 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

yes LS, but the point still remains the D allowed Matt Stafford, the rookie of a horrible team to march 99 yards to win the game.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

My,

Not arguing, just saying the D ain't all that either. Mediocre is what I've called JC all year when actually it is applicable to the D, and Special Teams too. The O is below that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU! A top 10 defense(or offense) in a 32 team league isn't gonna get you far into the playoffs. Top 5.....yes.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh. Skins D let suckjob Giants lay 24 on them right out the gate. Pull head out of azz and looky around dud.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:10 PM

Hey, Tub, 'Skins D kept them in so many games this year. If you haven't heard yet, the 'Skins D was not the reason we lost all those games. Heh, heh.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:17 PM |

Plus needed D to stiffen at end of game to put clamps on other team's O. Instead sagged like LI harbor. Admit it dud you posted real brain fart.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Saints are lucky to be 13-2. They should be 11-4."

The cars, saints, vikes can all be had.

That's why we called for a colts v. iggles super bowl three weeks ago to a round of sarcasm and giggles.

I wonder who's laughing now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

That's why we called for a colts v. iggles super bowl three weeks ago to a round of sarcasm and giggles.

I wonder who's laughing now.

Posted by: MistaMoe

probably a good call, I'd say that the Packers are playing well now too and I'd take them over the Eagles, and the Chargers may have something to say to the Colts. We'll see.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"...just saying the (redskin) D ain't all that either. Mediocre is what I've called JC all year when actually it is applicable to the D, and Special Teams too. The O is below that."


Well, the team is 4-10.

The issue B Allen has is which sections of the team need the most work, and just how should he go about doing it.

We know the o-line is bad, but the backfield underwhelms, too.

Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Ganther, Mason: select the goner(s) out of that list.

Is M Kelly ever going to have his 'moment' in the way D Thomas has?

Davis or Cooley or both?

What do you do with LL when C Horton is healthy next season?

Is CR a free safety?

Do you resign Rocky Mac?

Do you tender JC or pay him outright?

Bruce Bruce has tons 'o choices.

This offseason will be more interesting than ever.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Carolina's Jonathan Stewart ran for over 100 yards against the Giants! He garnered many of theose yards in the second half when the Ginats knew they were running and had 10 men up at the line. Maybe a few O-linemen for the Panthers could be acquired via free agency. Of course, why would they go to a worse team?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:36 PM

Try 209 yards. J-Stew ran for more today then we did as a team in both our games against the Ginas.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I keep reading that the skins are so good on defense. I see that they are 5th in the league in sacks. That's niice. The Skins are in the bottom half on defense on 3rd down conversion, they are in the bottom half in T.O.P. They are in the bottom half on points allowed. This while playing the dregs of the NFL in the first half of the year. Give me a break. Blache has under-performed this year just like Zorn has, if not more since that side of the ball has all the talent.

Posted by: TWISI | December 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"That's why we called for a colts v. iggles super bowl three weeks ago to a round of sarcasm and giggles.

I wonder who's laughing now.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Colts vs. Chargers in Indianapolis for the AFC crown is a tossup...But with Saints and Favre's arm fading, Cowgirls and Eagles will have a shot..Let's help derail the Cowgirls at the VERY LEAST!!!

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, why would they go to a worse team?"


They'd come to DC if Vinny Cerrato was around to promise them money and that they could play with reckless abandon.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The Broncos are about to get blown out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

yes LS, but the point still remains the D allowed Matt Stafford, the rookie of a horrible team to march 99 yards to win the game.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 4:39 PM

The point still stands that Matt Stafford should have marched them 99 yards down the field to make the score 35-19, Redskins. It's not the D that lost 10 games.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Plus needed D to stiffen at end of game to put clamps on other team's O. Instead sagged like LI harbor. Admit it dud you posted real brain fart.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:40 PM

And admit it that you haven't watched but two Redskins games this year and, as usual, have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, you have to admit, the Skins organization this decade has been either: a) inept , or b) a money-laundering shill...I don't know which is worse...

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't know what tiebreaker would be.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 4:06 PM

Strength of schedule

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 4:09 PM |

By end of weak could be 4 teams sitting at 4-12 vying for #4 draft pos - Skins, TB, KC and Cleve.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe--If I were Bruce Allen I would get a list from Zorn of the players who routinely come late for practice. I would also sit with Snyder and discuss what players are just not performing up to their salary. I would also identify the "me-first players". Regardless of position I would get rid of the players who are there just to collect a paycheck. That has to be the first priority.

Given what I read about players coming two hours late to practice the first major change has to be one of the team's culture. Allen needs to impose a culture of accountability--and not excuses.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The point still stands that Matt Stafford should have marched them 99 yards down the field to make the score 35-19, Redskins. It's not the D that lost 10 games.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:58 PM

Here you go again. 4-10 and more than likely headed to 4-12. This is a terrible TEAM from top to bottom.

Neither unit has played well enough to point the finger at another and say that they are to blame. The O, D, and Teams, all suck.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And admit it that you haven't watched but two Redskins games this year and, as usual, have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: League-Source | December 27, 2009 4:59 PM

The D had a chance to close out games against the Saints, The Cowboys, and The2nd Eagles game. They were put in a situation with the offense having a lead and the skins needing one stop to win the game. They failed all three times. Also, this 2nd Giants game, the defense got pimped slapped early allowing the Giants to control the game form the start. This isn't an impressive defense by any means.

Posted by: TWISI | December 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Given what I read about players coming two hours late to practice the first major change has to be one of the team's culture. Allen needs to impose a culture of accountability--and not excuses.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 5:02 PM |

Nobody had a good idea of what the specifics of their job were, how they fit into a team working together for a common purpose, with focus and discipline. It was more this New Agey "It's your thang, do what you wants to" type tude, the vibes of which were emanating from Z bird.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 27, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

blache has one week, and a couple of hours....if I was his boss I'd tell him to pack his crap before he left for the west coast so he wouldn't have to make the trip back to Redskins Park....just head on north to Minnesota and start your hunting season.

For Big Baby....either eat the contract or put up with his crap for the next 6 years...another free agent signing that has gone to the crapper...thanks Vinny !

Posted by: outrbnksm | December 27, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

LS,

Continue to be mesmerized by the hype of the D if you desire. I believe fans that see a bit more clearly recognize the team overall is below average in talent and coaching. BA has a multi-year project in his hands. I'd like the entire LB'ing corp replaced. Fletch is great, but he's old and one offseason can expose a lost step.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Beat DAllas! Damn, I really want to win this one.

Haynesworth played well for us this season.
Do some of you realize you unfaily criticize his play b/c of his salary--which btw is none of our business? Damn the media for blabbing on about how much atheletes are making!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Levar will be a guest tonite on comcast postgame live, now that would be some funny sh#t to hear Levar wax poetic on Greg("i'm in charge here" Alexander Haig)Blache like i said on last night's post he a self serving blowhard and if Snyder had some gonadds he would have told Cap'n Quigg(Blache)that you will talk to the media after each and every game or you can tell your story walkin(out the door)hopefully JC can stay upright for the next two games so he can find sucess elsewhere cause you know Shanahan wants another ELWAY because(thats about the only way he'll win).If Snyder is smart he should go after Tony Dungy, Dungy's integrity is second to none he be perfect for this franchise but that's too much like right.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 27, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The D and the O have both had pretty much the same success this year. Impressive at times, lots of fun stats for the uninformed to harp on, but unable to deliver the knock out blow in the fourth quarter when it counts the most.

...and F DALLAS!!!

Posted by: edvar | December 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to bet Haynesworth goes rogue and reigns terror on the Dallas O - and gets benched for the privilege.

Posted by: edvar | December 27, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, early on Blache sounded off about the value of Haynesworth in his defensive line rotation and there has been a consistent air of not getting all the staff, FO and players on the same page throughout the Snyder Nightmare years..The Skins are infantile ego Danny's red Lambourghini that he crashes year in and year out..Admit it, Danny, youre Pink Floyd's " Think I'll buy a footBalllll team" elitist signifier, without the NFL acumen needed for success..Let go of the reins and let the GM and coaches call the shots..

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

We have a game with the Cowboys tonight, and the Redskins Insider has not had a post for over 7 hours. Really? You have NOTHING new to talk about before the inactive list comes out.

Mistamoe, as he always does, laid it out quite nicely here. Yes, Mr. Allen has lots of work ahead of him.

RBs: Keep Ganther and Betts. See if anyone out there is interested in a trade. (I think pilfering from Carolina is an option. I also like Bell from Chicago. Maybe Holmgran will part with Harrison, but now I doubt it. UNLESS JC 17 is involved.) Cut Portis--take the $14 million dollar cap hit.

TEs: Trade Cooley for a second roung pick+. I am sure he can get a second.

WR: Look to trade Moss. If you can, get a RB for him (The Bears' Bell for instance--and they need a WR badly.) It would be good to get his cap number off the books.

CB: Tender CR--if no takers, try him at FS.

Safety Spot: Move LL back to SS. He never had the smarts/discipline to play FS. Try Horton at FS (AND DRAFT A FS in the late rounds)

QB: Pay Campbell outright. Let him have a real coordinator who will take advantage of his skills. When Sherman Lewis did that, the 'Skins score points.

There is something almost karma-like with Campbell. I think at the moment he is a middle of the pack QB. But, I still think he can succeed if given the opportunity. I mean these clowns wanted Sanchez (HAHAHA!), Cutler (hey other team, here is the ball), and then "scouted" McCoy and Bradford (both of whom will get creamed in the NFL. Keeping JC17 has been almost an accidental blessing--and believe me, in the off-season, we will see at least 5 teams express major interest in him. We need to keep and allow Shanahan to turn him into a winner. Hard to be a winner under Zorn, Vinny, and the opposing defense because your O-line is terrible.

Oh, question: Is Chris Samuels done for good?

Is Randy Thomas (I hope he is-cut him, too in the off-season).

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 27, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok...so what I here you guys saying is that we should draft all O-lineman so Quinton Ganther can wreak havoc on the NFL and Jason Campbell will make faster reads.

"C'mon man!!!!"
- Chris Johnson,

POSTED BY: RiockeyRoge

Absolutely not!!! We want to team to continue drafting the big names at skill positions and on defense so as to ensure the success the Redskins have enjoyed so far with that policy.

Posted by: TheCork | December 27, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, I don't like calling the Cowboys the Cowgirls..I can't adjust my remington scope on the star on the helmet if they're the Cowgirls-I only did it because everybody else did..DERAIL THE COWBOYS!!

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

What Albert said was right, but him saying it to the media was wrong. It's a testimony to blache's lack of understanding of his players skill sets that he has Orakpo at linebacker.

Posted by: elderdave1 | December 27, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse
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It wasn't wrong... He was lied to when he signed a contract with the 'Skins... If you left a position that you liked to go work for a different company, then you get there & they use you exactly how they said they wouldn't (space eater)... You wouldn't be happy either!

Everyone thinks just cause a guy was paid $41 million that he should be happy to go to work everyday... Life don't work like that... If you aren't happy with your employer, it doesn't make going to work easy, no matter how much money you are making.

Think of your worst boss who was a dictator who wouldn't take any feedback from the employees of how the business could operate better & still ran it the same way. It's no different.

I'm glad Albert went to the media after trying multiple times to talk to his boss about it, and he was told to go away. Greg Blache runs a decent defense that allows the offense a chance to win the game, but he is stubborn & it's hard to respect a guy that gave up his media duties & delegated to someone else cause he is afraid to answer the tough questions.

Posted by: tony325 | December 27, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to bet Haynesworth goes rogue and reigns terror on the Dallas O - and gets benched for the privilege.

Posted by: edvar

Naah! Most my betting money is taking the Unders on how many plays before Big Al wheezes his way over to the bench.

I've got a side bet on him taking a swing at somebody or head stomping.

And my third bet is he whines and cries about the coaches after the game.

Or wait....Are you saying he will play like Sarah Palin?

Posted by: TheCork | December 27, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"If I were Bruce Allen I would get a list from Zorn of the players who routinely come late for practice. I would also sit with Snyder and discuss what players are just not performing up to their salary."


I mean you no disrespect, but if I'm Bruce Allen, I'd spend a lot of time just simply observing.

There's a lot to learn from just watching how a team operates.

And Allen already knows what value there is on the roster.

The question, again, is what sort of decisions need to be made in the secondary, backfield, and offensive line.

Most importantly, do you want to get JC in house early or tender him to see what interest he draws?

And the decision of whom to hire to be head coach drives those decisions.

Decisions, decisions, decisions,.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't wrong... He was lied to when he signed a contract with the 'Skins...

POSTED BY: TONY 325

Wow, now here's a Blogga with inside sources. Either he's League=Source posting under yet a new alias, or he's lining up to be the new RI writer.

Posted by: TheCork | December 27, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dolemite1 | December 27, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Like Blache or not, there was no reason for Haynesworth not to wait two weeks; almost everyone expects the coaching staff to be released, a wait wouldn't have made any difference.

The fact is Mr. Haynesworth was late, in his complaining he said he's been late before, and he said that he's fallen asleep during a team meeting earlier this year. He arrived out of shape, he's out of condition most of the games he's played this year; he gets winded and is unable to play consistently when he does play, takin himself out of the game.

Here's the dilemna; you're paying him, you have to play him. And it's hard to justify not starting him. Having said that, what I would do, if I were the coaches, is tell him, "you want to play your way, your style, do it; and you're out there for every defensive play; you don't come out because you don't feel good, because you're winded; you're paid well to do what you say you want to do and what you can do; now do it. And if you try to come off the field, we'll turn you around and tell you to get back out there and play like you're supposed to."

dungarees@gmail.com

Posted by: Dungarees | December 27, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"It wasn't wrong... He (Albert Haynesworth)was lied to when he signed a contract with the 'Skins..."


The rappers say, "Game recognize game."

Whose fault is it that Albert's radar didn't go off when Vinny and Danny tried to get him to sign to a big deal in the wee hours of the 1st day of Free Agency?

What pro athlete gets rushed into signing any deal?

He had plenty of time to vet the redskins.

He just simply saw the money and wanted to believe the promises.

Any man who has picked up women in clubs, on the street, airports, funerals, divorce court, or family reunions can understand what Vinny and Danny did to Prince Al.

They flashed cash, a smile, and seductively whispered Pro Bowl in his ear.

They ran a game on him.

And now Haynesworth's pissed that he lost.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 6:04 PM

"If I were Bruce Allen I would get a list from Zorn of the players who routinely come late for practice. I would also sit with Snyder and discuss what players are just not performing up to their salary."

I'm hoping that Bruce disregards any anything football related these two nincompoops have to offer.

You’re better than that quote Moe, I’ll continue to focus on your body of work and pretend this one didn’t happen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

If BA is smart... and I think he is... you get the coach and his staff in place...then you do the roster review... then you decide what scheme modifications can or should be made from the overall Coaching Staff scheme to fit what is here and what you think you can get.... then you decide who gets cut, who gets tendered, who are your FA targets and once that is complete you finalize your draft strategy.

I would have one and only one sacred cow: Brian Orakpo. Other than him I would listen to any and all offers for players to stockpile draft picks. I would NOT be looking to make a splashy player for player trade.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 27, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

That's not my quote.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 6:04 PM

"If I were Bruce Allen I would get a list from Zorn of the players who routinely come late for practice. I would also sit with Snyder and discuss what players are just not performing up to their salary."

I'm hoping that Bruce disregards any anything football related these two nincompoops have to offer.

You’re better than that quote Moe, I’ll continue to focus on your body of work and pretend this one didn’t happen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:17 PM

Apologies to Moe.

@ jiacinto

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Blatche just informed a writer from a Chicago newspaper that Haynie organized & influenced a RI boycott on a day our beloved skins play the boys?

JR, Steinbog, & Cindy...Say it ain't true.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Has any1 here seen "LittleGreenBag" ?

I've been trying to holla @ him for 2nites game..*chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the colts are going to bench Manning for the rest of the game.

So they'll lose to the jets.

No more 'undefeated' chatter.

Thank god.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

So, I decided to be a good aunt to my nieces and nephews and stay in Norfolk rather than drive up to the game tonight, which is now killing me, so I predict I will miss an amazing bum-kicking of the Cowboys (whereas if I went, it would be like last week all over again). Hope that I do miss a nice game of Romo getting lots of fumbles...

HTTR!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 27, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Lose 'em both! (...and I hope they prove me wrong tonight!)

Posted by: fr3dmars | December 27, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd sighting in Philly. 5.3 mil on our cap this year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

What's going on?

Reid's last post was 10:55 this morning? It's almost 7:00 pm.

Wake up, JR, Cindy, Barry, et al.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

what the heck has Fat Albert ever done anyway... he's no Reggie White.

Posted by: joek443 | December 27, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Who are the inactives?

Will Marko FINALLY get some playing time tonight?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

What's going on?

Reid's last post was 10:55 this morning? It's almost 7:00 pm.

Wake up, JR, Cindy, Barry, et al.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2009 6:48 PM

Haynesworth organized a boycott.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44--The point that I was trying to make is that Allen and the new management need to get rid of the "me-first" players and those who are there just to collect a paycheck. That is major problem facing the team right now. There are too many players who just want to collect their paychecks and not perform.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

RBs: Keep Ganther and Betts. See if anyone out there is interested in a trade. (I think pilfering from Carolina is an option. I also like Bell from Chicago. Maybe Holmgran will part with Harrison, but now I doubt it. UNLESS JC 17 is involved.) Cut Portis--take the $14 million dollar cap hit.
Posted by: Invisman52 | December 27, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse
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Invisman, I am not with you regarding keeping Betts because he is coming off a major knee injury, +30 for a RB, and large salary to boot. I would keep Ganther and Mason for pro experience and draft a quick RB. You will need a new back and Ganther and Mason are not fast but they both work hard and will hold down the fort until a new kid can get the Pro game down.

Posted by: thebanker21 | December 27, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Betts...Good Guy too bad for him but he just blew out two knee ligs. Finito.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 27, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

things were looking up right before danny boy decided to end the season 3 weeks too early, by making changes to front office n fanning rumor flames for a new coach, in turn alienating the head coach like he did the starting qb. the danny is sooo clueless.. if things would have stopped wit vinnie stepping down, we might very well be talkin win streak right now..

Posted by: cboyhater | December 27, 2009 11:26 AM

Disagree. The season was over when the 'Skins hit the 3-7 mark. (Earlier than that really, but who's counting?) Everything after that is getting a start on next season.

Zorn was not coming back at 3-7. Cerrato was already on the way to being replaced by Allen in the front office. Why not do this now? It makes the last few weeks of the season h.e.l.l. for remaining staff and players, but it was already over anyway, why not get a head start on next season?

What, you think it's better to wait in order to have the best chance at a 6-10 record with no playoffs instead of making changes now and risking 4-12 with no playoffs?

Posted by: hithere1 | December 27, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 6:52 PM

I know. I still wouldn't direct any football related questions towards Zorn or Danny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Rammstein plays good "I'm Going Right Through You" music-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0CiKlqYI_8

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Keep Betts and Ganther?????

Too much egg nog bruh!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I want CJ Spiller!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Colts are down by 14 and it's 5:00 left in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Jets just got an INT to ice it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Ah hah, no wonder why the Colts are losing: Peyton was taken out when it was 15-10 in the 3rd quarter. Jets scored 19 unanswered points.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Mercury Morris and the ’73 Fins have officially popped the champagne..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland beat the Raiders to get to 4 wins leaving the Raisers at 5. The Bucs won and are in the club house at 3.

Just saying is all.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 27, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland beat the Raiders to get to 4 wins leaving the Raiders at 5. The Bucs won and are in the club house at 3.

Just saying is all.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 27, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The Giants really suck! Now I hope the Redskins lose to Dallas just to stick the playoff hopes up the Giants's rear end. I was hoping the Giants would win out just to prevent Dallas from going to the playoffs, but I guess they got "Big Headed" by beating the Redskins. Sorry, New York, you only get one chance a season and you blew it! Now you can sit home with the Redskin fans and watch the Eagles and the Cowboys on TV in late January! At least the Redskins were bad from start to finish instead of "Choking" under the pressure like the Giants!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 27, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Hithere1--Had I been Snyder, the day that Cerrto left, I would have also fired Zorn and brought in an interim coach. I don't know why he didn't fire Zorn the same day.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 27, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

invisman: "RBs: Keep Ganther and Betts. See if anyone out there is interested in a trade...Cut Portis--take the $14 million dollar cap hit.TEs: Trade Cooley for a second roung pick+...WR: Look to trade Moss. If you can, get a RB for him...CB: Tender CR--if no takers, try him at FS.
Safety Spot: Move LL back to SS. He never had the smarts/discipline to play FS. Try Horton at FS (AND DRAFT A FS in the late rounds)"

I think maybe if Allen does the opposite of the above, he'll be OK.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Jim Caldwell made a bad decision....


"You play to win the game"!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Jim Caldwell made a bad decision....


"You play to win the game"!

Posted by: rickyroge


`

Absolutely!

Does Caldwell actually believe sitting Peyton for the second half is going to get them a Superbowl Win.

Just b/c winning the Superbowl is the ultimate goal doesn't mean you can't achieve other goals in the process.

Caldwell has not blown a chance to win the Superbowl, but now has no chance of securing an undefeated season and going down in history!

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Now if anybody has a right to come out in the media against his coach...it's Manning!

That sh*t is ridiculous!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Inactives:
DT, Edwin Williams, Bartel, Barnes, Bowen, Gatewood, Fanaika.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

sheep

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, you cannot cut Betts AND Portis. (Right?) I think having Betts around as a veteran presence is a good idea. I am not saying he is the back of the future, but I would rather have him around with young guys then keeping Portis around.

Samson: what is wrong with trading Moss?
What is wrong with moving Landry to SS, his real position?

And what would you do with Rogers? Get rid of him completely? Fine. But SOMEONE has to play in the secondary.

Posted by: Invisman52 | December 27, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Invisman52,

I'm not sure if you could see my LAST post but there is a new thread so move on! Samson has. Please repost your thoughts on the next subject.

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Everybody that knows anyting about football knew that AH had success with the Titans by being a free ranger player, Yeah Vinnie and THE Danny still believe they can buy and stuff square pegs into round holes!!!

Posted by: job22 | December 27, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

We just do not appreciate Albert. Perhaps we should name the team after him and let him watch the games from the 50 yard line. Then he will appreciate how much we like him. He is so great that playing is beside the point. Just being here will make the Redskins great.

Posted by: gary4books | December 27, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

We just do not appreciate Albert. Perhaps we should name the team after him and let him watch the games from the 50 yard line. Then he will appreciate how much we like him. He is so great that playing is beside the point. Just his presence here will make the Redskins great.

Posted by: gary4books | December 27, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

wtf gary?

You mean all i had to do to be the LAST poster was wait another minute?

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if it will help or hurt the defense to have Albert Hanesworth provide input..... I do know that their current defensive ranking is a facade.

Every time the skins play against a decent team, the defense is trashed.

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Posted by: huangzhixian186 | December 27, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Dang Jason,

How can ANYONE who knows anything about this team think that they would beat the Cowboys with all the guff going on and a horrid O-line?!

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 28, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

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