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Haynesworth is likely to be available Sunday

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth continued to participate in practice and is on track to return to the lineup Sunday against the New Orleans Saints at FedEx Field, Coach Jim Zorn said today after practice.

Haynesworth, who sat out the last two games because of an ankle injury, "looked quick at some points, but there's a fine line," Zorn said. "If he works hard right now, I don't want him to re-injure it. We're just injecting him [slowly into practice], and he looks like he's going to be available. That's for sure."

On Wednesday, cornerback DeAngelo Hall (knee) all but ruled himself out of the game, but the Redskins remain hopeful about having him on the active roster. "DeAngelo did a lot of footwork drills but did not participate in practice," Zorn said. "He was just off to the side working with the trainers, trying to get any kind of stability or lateral movement. I think he's doubtful."

Fullback Mike Sellers's ankle stiffened during morning work, so he did little during practice in the afternoon. Nickel corner Justin Tryon (hip) was limited "but I think he'll be ready to play," Zorn said.

By Jason Reid  |  December 3, 2009; 3:58 PM ET
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I seriously think that Zorn sits in the Circle w/Kelso before he goes to talk w/the media.

Hip Hip ah, what was I saying?

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

G'yeah....We got something for dem bamas....

We gonna win this one....


BOOOOOOOK IT!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

" but the Redskins remain hopeful about having him on the active roster."

So that we can...not play him? Let Barnes and Tryon carry the load, and give Marko his spot.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving Tryon the start, rogers can sell popcorn in the lower levels...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 3, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Getcha popcorn ready for the double move!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving Tryon the start, rogers can sell popcorn in the lower levels...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 3, 2009 4:24 PM
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Think of all that dropped and spilled defenseless popcorn! How could you wish that on anyone?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 3, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

good point, although, he'd blame the butter that got on his hands....

"Got butter on my hands, then the box of popcorn put a double move on me....nothing you can do.."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 3, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

There's that tapeworm again aka TheCork.

Whatever happened to "whatever you eat don't make me s***"?

Posted by: RedDMV

What are you, freaking nine? Never mind. That's an insult to nine year olds. Why do you bother bringing that weak-azz shti on here? You're the kind of guy brings a plastic spork to a Bazooka fight.

Oooooh, he called me a "tapeworm." What kind of moron calls someone a "tapeworm?"

Just please please please don't call me a cricket or a Hummingbird or inch worm. That would just hurt too much, I mean coming from an intellectual giant like yourself.

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Boy people used to RIP on Tryon so hard. I love it fickle skins fans, viciously hate a guy when youve never seen him play then wish him to start. I mean really people should go back and look at some of the posts about tryon just pure hatred. Thats a major problem with the skins, if you dont look the part then you cant play. Thank G for London i dont know why we havent changed that stupid perception after hes been all pro for us.

By the way i was always for giving Tryon a chance.(I'll step off my soap box now)

Posted by: Stu27 | December 3, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Stu27--

You're right about the way Tryon was seen up here last year, along with Thomas, Kelly, Fred Davis.

Whichever way the wind is blowing.... And you're right about giving them chances. "Let's give these guys a fair trial and then we can hang 'em."

Posted by: League-Source | December 3, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, stu, jla and jreids sources told us these young guys were not NFL caliber and were poorly graded in internal meetings. And they're always right!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 3, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

i wouldnt put a guy over 30 in there most of the over 30 people wont be here next year anyway

Posted by: mudman220 | December 3, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happens when you bring in a GM who is given authority over personnel and HC hiring:

"The team's ownership gave Ruskell full authority to shape the franchise soon after he arrived before the 2005 season. Seattle made its only Super Bowl that season.

Since then, he has presided over decisions including failed top draft choices, expensive free-agent busts -- and the awkward ouster of Holmgren at the end of his contract this past January.

Ruskell brought in his own coach for 2009, Jim Mora. The 4-7 Seahawks are on their way to a second straight season without a playoff berth. Last season they finished 4-12, their worst record since 1991."

Let's hope Skins ownership doesn't repeat this folly

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

That would just hurt too much, I mean coming from an intellectual giant like yourself.

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2009 4:54 PM |

That dick definitely a juvie. Heh, heh.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I'll take a kilo of rilo kiley.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Kelly says he and Thomas 'feed off each other'".

Heh, heh. It more like "he and Thomas teed off each other".

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

**You're the kind of guy brings a plastic spork to a Bazooka fight.**


======================

What kind of people fight with bubble gum?

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody here think that we should hold on to Levy Jones at LT for next year. We seem to be doing much better since he's been playing.

Posted by: scottmando | December 3, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

ps - don't look now but fred Davis is on pace to lead the team in receptions by the end of the year

Posted by: scottmando | December 3, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

ps - don't look now but fred Davis is on pace to lead the team in receptions by the end of the year

Posted by: scottmando | December 3, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

ps - don't look now but fred Davis is on pace to lead the team in receptions by the end of the year

Posted by: scottmando | December 3, 2009 6:21 PM |

Damn. I knew he good.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving Tryon the start, rogers can sell popcorn in the lower levels...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 3, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Can Shawn Springs sell hot dogs too? i mean hes not doing much in NE.

He'd probably pull his quad walking all those steps though.

4 smart things this FO did this year: Orak, Jarmon, letting Springs go, and hunter

Bellicheat looks like a chump right now getting schooled by Sargent Antonelli!

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 3, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody here think that we should hold on to Levy Jones at LT for next year. We seem to be doing much better since he's been playing.

Posted by: scottmando | December 3, 2009 6:14 PM |

You right. With him and BMW we have two 1st round OL draft picks. We can build from there. Peeps overstate the need to draft OL when we already have a good foundation. Heh, heh.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

ps - don't look now but fred Davis is on pace to lead the team in receptions by the end of the year

Posted by: scottmando

are you complimenting Davis or criticizing everyone else?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Was it the horrible season that killed the blog, the absence of lightning rod jlac, or just ennui. I used to see 200 posts on a topic like this>

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 3, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

You right. With him and BMW we have two 1st round OL draft picks. We can build from there. Peeps overstate the need to draft OL when we already have a good foundation. Heh, heh.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 6:56 PM

If only we could get Gallery from da Raiders then we would have the 3 biggest OL draft bust's taken with a top 10 pick in the last 20 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

If only we could get Gallery from da Raiders then we would have the 3 biggest OL draft bust's...

Give him his due, Vinny is just trying to get the taste of Andre Johnson out of our collective mouths.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 3, 2009 7:07 PM

I think it's just a bad year for ennui.

Hate it when that happens...

Posted by: edvar | December 3, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not over whelmed by Levi Jones yet. He's been gettin beat by speed rushers pretty bad. I hope he pulls it together - it's only been a few games, so maybe heel rally.

I still think we're shopping for a dominant LT and RT. Hopefully BMW will kick some butt at RG and Edwin Williams can solidify the Center position which is also pretty week with Rabach.

Posted by: edvar | December 3, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"so maybe heel rally."

D'oh!

Insert instead: "so maybe he'll rally."

Thank you.

Posted by: edvar | December 3, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Give him his due, Vinny is just trying to get the taste of Andre Johnson out of our collective mouths.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 7:36 PM

Gallery has been serviceable at OG but hasn't lived up to the 2nd pick in the draft. Serviceable OG's usually are mid round picks.

Andre Johnson played DT @ PSU and we drafted him to play OT for some idiotic reason.

Terrible pick but this came 3 years before Vinny stumbled into town.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

If only we could get Gallery from da Raiders then we would have the 3 biggest OL draft bust's taken with a top 10 pick in the last 20 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 7:15 PM |

Robert Gallery, 2nd overall in 2004; JaMarcus Russell, 1st overall in 2007; Darren McFadden, 4th overall in 2008. An impressive list of busts. Porn star grade busts. I hear Gallery's brother Art is doing well selling paintings, especially in NYC.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"I hear Gallery's brother Art is doing well selling paintings, especially in NYC."

-

You didn't.

Posted by: edvar | December 3, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I would like to rehash my discussion about Haynesworth and his 4yr 48 million dollar contract from a few weeks back

I complimented 92 by saying he is a force for 10-15 plays a game and makes everyone better around him.

I then blasted him for never playing a full season, being out of shape, and on average only being on the field an average of 25 plays per game. Vinny ignored the OL and the only reason you sign this slob is to play in games like he has missed the last 2 weeks.

Some clown laughed at my stat saying that he is 2nd behind Carter in downs played, that 25 plays per game was way off, and I was crazy for saying he wasn't worth the money.

Feel free to identify yourself now as you obviously took the over on plays per game and were wrong about him being worth the dough.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

raiders also took michael huff over adrian peterson.

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 3, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

but we took 22 when peterson was avail so who are we to throw stones

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 3, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

raiders also took michael huff over adrian peterson.

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 3, 2009 8:15 PM

Some team took a Strong Safety over AP and then played him out of position...

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

but we took 22 when peterson was avail so who are we to throw stones

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 3, 2009 8:17 PM

We took 22 when Merriman and Ware were available. We also spent two 1st's, a 3rd, & a 4th for some QB out of Auburn that played behind a stud OL and 2 top 4 overall draft picks @ RB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I'd call someone crazy for thinking that AH isn't worth the money, but I do think he's had a positive impact on the team's performance. I would say that I understand what the attraction was, and why they chose to spend money on him rather than address other needs. You can look no further than our neighbors to the north to see a team that had a dominant defense and a weak oline, and still managed to make the playoffs.
I know for $12M/season, you would think he would get Brady-like protection by the refs, but apparently football is a violent game.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Some clown laughed at my stat saying that he is 2nd behind Carter in downs played, that 25 plays per game was way off, and I was crazy for saying he wasn't worth the money.

Feel free to identify yourself now as you obviously took the over on plays per game and were wrong about him being worth the dough.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:14 PM |

And when that "clown" said that AH was second to Carter and playing more than 25 plays per game was it true at the time?

How many sacks do Carter and Orakpo have since AH has been out?

Signing AH to that contract did not keep the Skins from going after OL. They could have chosen Oher over Orakpo but did not.

So what is your point? That you were right he would get hurt and miss some games? If he had not missed any games, this team would still be 3-8. Maybe they should have stipulated in his contract that he must be available during week 10 and 11 or lose out on his 2009 salary.

Just don't strain your shoulder patting yourself in the back. We can't afford to have both you and AH out at the same time.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I would like to rehash my discussion about Haynesworth and his 4yr 48 million dollar contract from a few weeks back

I complimented 92 by saying he is a force for 10-15 plays a game and makes everyone better around him.

I then blasted him for never playing a full season, being out of shape, and on average only being on the field an average of 25 plays per game. Vinny ignored the OL and the only reason you sign this slob is to play in games like he has missed the last 2 weeks.

Some clown laughed at my stat saying that he is 2nd behind Carter in downs played, that 25 plays per game was way off, and I was crazy for saying he wasn't worth the money.

Feel free to identify yourself now as you obviously took the over on plays per game and were wrong about him being worth the dough.

Posted by: Diesel44

I wasn't the clown that said it at the time, but I'll bite. Haynesworth's 41 mill guarantee is well worth it. The difference in Carter and Orakpo has been obvious since he has neen hurt. Besides, if Bart Scott is worth 36 mill, the most dominant defensive player in the league, according to the players SI poll, is certainly worth 5 mill more.

Furthermore, please tell me what DT plays every play and every down. What DT is double teamed virtually every play? This dude is the reason for the DE's success, period.

It seems as though we are all over him for having the high ankle sprain. Why? In a lost season we seem to be critical everyone, even those that have made an impact and played well.

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Some clown laughed at my stat saying that he is 2nd behind Carter in downs played, that 25 plays per game was way off, and I was crazy for saying he wasn't worth the money.

Feel free to identify yourself now as you obviously took the over on plays per game and were wrong about him being worth the dough.

Posted by: Diesel44

I don't know if I was the clown, but I'll put on the red nose and floppy shoes for entertainment purposes. Yeah, he's probably not a $100 mil guy, but he's the least of my worries as far as what's wrong with the team. You may have noticed that Carter and Orakpo have a combined 16 sacks this season. However, I believe they have only a combined 1 sack in the past 2 games with Haynesworth out. I chalk the pass rush improvement directly to Haynesworth's presence.

On D, I've got more issues with Double Move Rogers and Whiff Landry. Our secondary gets burnt extra crispy on a regular basis, which isn't supposed to happen in Blache's conservative, non-blitzing scheme. I don't know what happened to Dirty 30. He showed so much promise late in the 2007 season and playoffs. Now he's looking like a headhunting knucklehead willing to sacrifice the big play in order to get an ESPN highlight.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 3, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't a good year to be fattin around in college FB. First Weis got the axe and now Mangino. And the axe missed the Fridge's neck by a rch.

Posted by: CovertOps | December 3, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 8:32 PM

For the record: I knew it was you Curz, props to you for admitting it.

He is a beast when he plays and everyone on the field benefits from his double and triple teams. The problem I have is you can't spend that kind of money on a guy that plays (on pace) less than 20 plays per game.

If.....If my aunt had a package, she would be my uncle. You can't live in that world Curz, You have to look at this dude's past to see how he will perform in the future and he doesn't play a full season.

To say the money should have been spent elsewhere is begging...I know this, because Vinny assembled a "playoff caliber roster" and the OL hasn't been addressed in years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I like the discussion...

I think we could all admit that if we were at the grocery store in the offseason shopping for players we wouldn't have spent the bulk of our money on a DT and ignored all of our other glaring needs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

He is a beast when he plays and everyone on the field benefits from his double and triple teams. The problem I have is you can't spend that kind of money on a guy that plays (on pace) less than 20 plays per game.

Posted by: Diesel44

Where do you get this 20 plays per game stuff from? That's wrong. Fuzzy math?

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, I agree that the FO should have been addressing the OL for the last 3-4 years through the draft to have young players developed to replace our vets as they went down or got too old.

I just can't agree on AH not being worth the money based on what I have seen so far. But the evidence is there.

If it would have kept the team from getting OL, then yes, I would be pissed with the signing.

I am pissed with the fact that the OL has not been addressed, but at this point I am more pissed on how some of the players we do have are used and like many have mentioned with the way the secondary is (not) playing then the AH signing.

And how Gray, Blache and Zorn think that all is well with our secondary.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Braylon Edwards is rapidly becoming the worst WR that has been to a Pro Bowl. Dude has Carlos Rogers type hands. Look to see him in the UFL soon.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, I understand that you wouldn't invest in AH.
I'm a copycat GM, and the team I'd copy is the Steelers. So while I wouldn't have bought AH (I was more interested in Antonio Smith of the Cards, now Texans?), I can see why someone might take him.
Me, I'd have strolled down the head coaching aisle a time or two, or at least tried to pair the existing head coach with an established offensive coordinator (although I doubt I would have made it all the way to the bingo hall on the left).

I also would've picked up a 6-pack, but that's because it's a grocery store. I mean, duh!

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Where do you get this 20 plays per game stuff from? That's wrong. Fuzzy math?

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 8:57 PM

Now I'll explain the math...

He has averaged 12 games played per year in his 8 year career.

35 plays x 12 games = 420 plays
420 plays / 16 games= 26 plays per game

So I exaggerated a little (don't we all)....but, You're missing the point...He is an absolute beast but this money should have been spent to address more pressing needs.

Now Curz will say that Vinny could have still addressed the OL, but he didn't. Vinny thought the OL was "playoff caliber" and AH would put us over the top.

3-6 with AH
0-2 w/o AH

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

..Man, is that Gregg Williams or Billy Idol?? Bet he's havin' fun in the Big Easy...

Aaaa, so much for "The Great Black Hope"..He's just another tool of the Globalists and the Warmachine Banks..But, in all fairness, he'd probably gotten Dealey-ed with by the Bush-Cheney-McCain clacque eventually if he dint toe the "NWO"-line..Ah, well, like Astronaut Wolf Puppy said, "Gravity makes the heart grow stronger"...Of course Astronaut Wolf Puppy died when he came back to the world..*sigh*

Posted by: frak | December 3, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I'll continue to beat this dead horse. Bottom-line we overpay for something someone did somewhere else and don't have the talent_evaluators to find these guys via the draft.

We continue to pay people big money for what they have already done, and they come here for the paycheck and underwhelm us..sans #59

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

FF Update
Week 12 is done and just one week is left. In the Peeps league, it was good news for some. But if you scored 81 points, as 3 teams did, you lost.

The two longest win streaks in the league met up and first place was on the line in this week's marquee matchup. A week 1 rematch of Tampa (8-4) and my Futaleufu Swimmers (8-4). For the 2nd time, Tampa took me down, this time by 109-81 score, to move into a first place tie. Tampa had 6 players in double figures while my stars Brady, Fitzgerald and Jackson combined for just 10 points, a mere 35 points below their average.

The Buffaloes (8-4) also joined the group in first place, with a win over the Jackalopes (7-5), by a score of 83-77. Favre led the Buffs with 27 points.

Another 7-5 team, just 1 game out of the lead, is Redcoat's Fins, losers this week to 4-12 (5-7). 4-12 had 4 players exceed 20 points in the 135-81 whupping.

Also at 7-5 is Alex's Zombie Hord, a 117-58 winner over South Hill Skulls. Drew Brees had 35 to lead the Hord's 7 double figure scorers.

In a battle of two teams fighting to stay in the playoff hunt, Future Winners (6-6) overcame East Coast Shaft (5-7), 99-81. Aaron Rodgers, acquired by Future in a trade for Brady, had 23 points this week, 19 more than the Pats QB.

Nate (3-9) fell to Omaha (5-7), 72-64. The Packers defense provided Omaha with 22 points.

6 playoff spots and 2 byes are at stake in next weeks regular season finale. At 8-4 are the Futa, Tampa and the Buffaloes. One game back and safely into the playoffs at 7-5 are the Zombie's and Fins. The Jackalopes are also 7-5, but Future Winners can capture the last playoff spot if he wins and the Jackalopes lose.

This coming week, Future plays the Buffaloes, Tampa plays the Jackalopes and the Futa plays the Zombie Hord -- all games with huge impact on the playoffs and seeding.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

You're missing the point...He is an absolute beast but this money should have been spent to address more pressing needs.

Posted by: Diesel44

The AH signing had nothing to do with them not getting O-Line help. Actually, I remember reading a while back that they are 4-5 mill under the cap right now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

FF Update with ERROR CORRECTION

In the Hamster league, my Cal Salmon (9-3) team is alone at the top. For the second straight week, Salmon won with a final score of 106-52, this week's win was over Butz (2-10). Justin Forsett, Aaron Rodgers and Donald Driver all topped 20 points for the Salmon.

3 teams are one game back. Zornskins (8-4), scored a 94-64 win over Koolaid Kids (3-9). It sounds wrong, but romo led Zorny with 19 points.

Also one game back are Suzanne's Trippin' Billies (8-4) and 4th's Realskins (8-4). Realskins 78-61 win marked the 1st time all year the Billies have not been in first place. The victors were led by 18 points from the Vikes defense.

3 teams are at 7-5. Dealer (7-5) topped Ham Stweengs (4-8), 95-67 behind 24 from Antonio Gates. Stump's Copro (7-5) team topped the E Funk all Stars (6-6), by a final of 84-71. 30 points from Chris Johnson led Copro. cL's F Bombers (7-5) topped Alpa Chino (3-9) in a game featuring the 2 highest scoring teams of the week, 128-107. The Bombers had 7 players in double figures, 3 over 20 points to overcome Drew Brees' huge game for Alpa.

With just 1 week to go, only 1 team has locked up a playoff spot!! This is due to the close race and the odd tiebreaker system. Salmon is in, but could finish anywhere from 1st to 4th. Another 6 teams are in a 'win and you're in' situation!! Zornskins, Billies, Realskins, Copro, F Bombers and Dealer. But all 6 teams can't win because Realskins goes up against the F Bombers. Dealer is the only team that is in 'a lose and he's out' situation. Dealer plays Salmon.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Braylon Edwards is rapidly becoming the worst WR that has been to a Pro Bowl. Dude has Carlos Rogers type hands. Look to see him in the UFL soon.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:09 PM

There is a guy in Dallas that would like to challenge Braylon for that crown.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

So Diesel, your stance is that the reason that the FO did not address the OL is because they spent all of their money on AH?

We both know that is not true. The reason that the FO did not address the OL is because there were not any Splashy name OL players out there. If they wanted to sign any player, then they would have just reworked more contracts like they usually do. Albert's money was not the reason.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I finally benched Marshawn Lynch on my FF team an played Fred Jackson instead. So Lynch hits a season high in the 2nd quarter, while Freddie is in neutral so far

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

There is a guy in Dallas that would like to challenge Braylon for that crown.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:27 PM

Pretty sure Roy Williams has not made the pro bowl. But yes, he is awful. And I laugh every time I think about how much JJ gave up for him.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The AH signing had nothing to do with them not getting O-Line help. Actually, I remember reading a while back that they are 4-5 mill under the cap right now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 9:25 PM

Selective editing...

To say the money should have been spent elsewhere is begging...I know this, because Vinny assembled a "playoff caliber roster" and the OL hasn't been addressed in years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 8:49 PM

I would guess that 31 other Gm's would agree that you shouldn't spend the VAST majority on a handful of players, however the one in question is Vinny.

Keep in mind we are on the hook for 5.3 mil this year for Brandon Lloyd and 6 mil for Jansen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll continue to beat this dead horse. Bottom-line we overpay for something someone did somewhere else and don't have the talent_evaluators to find these guys via the draft.

We continue to pay people big money for what they have already done, and they come here for the paycheck and underwhelm us..sans #59

Posted by: Diesel44

I'll let it go after this. Most players in the NFL get paid for what "they've already done." Thats why you see rookies enter the league with 50M guaranteed. You can't compare the past to this signing.

Again, who do you think is responsible for Carter and Orakpo's success. It ain't because Carter ran a few extra hills in Northern Cali in the off season? AH is worth every penny.

I agree that we also need the right talent evaluators in place though. But really, to say that 41 mill for AH is "overpaying" is way off. He is THE most dominant DL in the NFL. I'm not just stating my opinion either, that's what the players are saying.

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind we are on the hook for 5.3 mil this year for Brandon Lloyd and 6 mil for Jansen.


Posted by: Diesel44

So what. It still had nothing to do with them not getting O-line help.

Posted by: dcwun | December 3, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

So Diesel, your stance is that the reason that the FO did not address the OL is because they spent all of their money on AH?

We both know that is not true. The reason that the FO did not address the OL is because there were not any Splashy name OL players out there. If they wanted to sign any player, then they would have just reworked more contracts like they usually do. Albert's money was not the reason.

Posted by: Curzon417

The FO spent pretty much ALL their efforts on the defense. Albert, Hall plus every draft pick until round 7. Dockery was the only notable exception

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I would guess that 31 other Gm's would agree that you shouldn't spend the VAST majority on a handful of players, however the one in question is Vinny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:36 PM

Not true. The Bucs were willing to give more, but for some reason AH felt this was a better place. The Giants were pretty close too.

Still not bothered by the signing, but this horse is beat to a pulp already. Thought the new horses we are beating around here are Los and LL.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The FO spent pretty much ALL their efforts on the defense. Albert, Hall plus every draft pick until round 7. Dockery was the only notable exception

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 9:41 PM

Exactly. They made a choice to go D rather than OL, not because of signing AH.

Maybe they had a plan (lol that this FO plans anything), but I don't know what it is/was.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"Does anybody here think that we should hold on to Levy Jones at LT for next year. We seem to be doing much better since he's been playing."

No.

Levi Jones satisfies like efforts to get drunk from chugging non-alcoholic beer.

The team started using Sellars as a blocking tight end alongside Jones: that's the cause of some of the improvement.

The only argument for re-signing Jones would be that a complete year would benefit the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 3, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

So I exaggerated a little (don't we all)...

So it's not the number of plays per year, it's the total cost. Got it.
So without a salary cap, AH is a great value. Because the way they structured the deal, AH's cap hit was about the same as Shawn Springs'. And while I liked Shawn, his availability on Sundays was... troubling. Certainly in terms of avg. plays per game...

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure Roy Williams has not made the pro bowl. But yes, he is awful. And I laugh every time I think about how much JJ gave up for him.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 9:35 PM

Roy made the pro bowl in 2004.

AH is by the far the most dominate defensive player when he plays. Problem is he doesn't play a full season.

So has AH taken over the sacred cow title form JC? We're talking about a 3-8 team and everyone is fair game. Especially when a guy making that kind of scratch misses B2B games against the boys and eagles.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"The FO spent pretty much ALL their efforts on the defense. Albert, Hall plus every draft pick until round 7. Dockery was the only notable exception..."

Vinny's story was that they tried getting right tackle Ray Willis--whoever he is--from the Seattle Seahawks.

I guess they didn't think to draft a college left tackle and convert him into an NFL right tackle.

I guess 400 pound draft bust Michael Williams was too attractive and availiable on some couch with a bag of Oreos to draft a linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 3, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe we're batting Haynesworth around like this. When he is in the game, he makes such a blatantly obvious difference. Who thought Carter was worth a nickel before this season? Noticed any difference when he's not in there?

The guys a game changer. We don't have too many of them on this team (besides Hunter the Punter, I mean)

We all knew that he gets injured and that he doesn't play every down. We KNEW that. We signed him knowing that and got what we payed for.

The fact that the O line was desserted again this year has nothing to do with Albert. We had choices, and the choices always favored the D.

Posted by: edvar | December 3, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Roy made the pro bowl in 2004.

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Drafted in 04, pro bowl in 06*, so yes, both are making a case for that honor (snicker).

*stopped being lazy and looked it up.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Drafted in 04, pro bowl in 06*, so yes, both are making a case for that honor (snicker).

*stopped being lazy and looked it up.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 10:00 PM

I knew he made it and fubbed the year.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

So has AH taken over the sacred cow title form JC? We're talking about a 3-8 team and everyone is fair game. Especially when a guy making that kind of scratch misses B2B games against the boys and eagles.
Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 9:55 PM

I'm not following your point. AH was injured not hurt. Meaning he couldn't play. Injuries occur all the time to DL and OL players (eg Dwight Freeny). How is AH's missing a divisional game because of injury different from Big Ben? IMO he's been worth his contract this year because, he's the best player on this team's defense. He's also played a high amount of snaps for this team. He's also raised the level of play of his line mates.

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Actually read the RI article and decided to make that my point of emphasis...never again

I have said 10x that Vinny has had a 10 year history of neglect when it comes to the OL regardless of this years big signing of Albert.

To quote Larry David, Having said that...You sign a guy like that for games against the boys and the eagles.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Jeremy Jarmon DE
Brian Orakpo LB
Kevin Barnes DB
Cody Glenn LB
Robert Henson LB
Eddie Williams RB
Marko Mitchell WR

Devin Thomas WR
Fred Davis TE
Malcolm Kelly WR
Chad Rinehart T
Justin Tryon DB
Durant Brooks P
Kareem Moore DB
Colt Brennan QB
Rob Jackson DE
Chris Horton DB

Above are the 17 picks made since Vinny got promoted to EVP.

The only draft picks I could solidly support, at the time of the pick, are:
Jarmon
Orakpo
Thomas
Kelly
Rinehart

I could weakly support
Henson
Jackson
Mitchell

The picks that made no sense to me are:
Horton
Brennan
Moore
Brooks
Barnes
Tryon
Davis
Glenn
Williams

Those picks should have all been spent on the OL


Every other pick was at a position of modest need compared to the OL. Would I trade these 9 guys for 2 good young starters on the OL? Yes I would. Do I think we could get 2 young starters with 1 pick in round 2,3,4,5 and 5 picks in round 6/7? Yes I do.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"....We're talking about a 3-8 team and everyone is fair game."


Very true.

Thing is, 3-8 also means the FO has a tough job in front of it: revamping the roster.

When you're 3-8, jobs should be on the line.

But somehow, I believe arrogance will the Wizards of Redskins Park say, "Hey, let's just change the head coach, and keep the playoof ready roster we've assembled."

"Rinse, repeat..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 3, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2009 10:05 PM |

Not so fast my friend...the best player on the D for the last 3 years bar none has been 59.

Yes, he has been the beneficiary of 92, however his play hasn't suffered when 92 was injured, hurt, or too out of shape to play.

He plays possum so often it's hard to tell when he is injured. So with all the holes in this roster, is it not fair to question the big splash they made in the offseason while Vinny ignored the most obvious?


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | December 3, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

The draft post just highlights the efforts of a clueless man.

And not to be critical, but if I'm right, the Gibbs' years also reflect a lack of attempts to keep the offensive line stocked with talent.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 3, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

AH misses games every year, anyone who thinks that was going to change is in denial.

Rodgers can't catch, Hall can't tackle, Portis doesn't practice, rookie receivers don't do well on teams that don't have an offensive system, QB's don't do well without protection.

some things are just the way it is, it's not going to change

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 I think someone already mentioned this, but the fact the FO neglected to address the OL needs wasn't related to AH signing. They could have drafted OL players, but chose otherwise. I like Fletcher, but you can see during these past two games where teams are running the ball at. Ah causes other teams to game plan for him. Fletcher doesn't.

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | December 3, 2009 10:31 PM |

Ok, I give up?

Posted by: edvar | December 3, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I would have drafted a lineman, but..

if we drafted a premiere LT we would have had to release Samuels and a lot of peeps would have complained about that.

maybe letting Samuels finish ou this career was the wrong move, but if you draft his replacement he's gone because of the cap

you see it happen to Pace, Jones, etc

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez apparently can't slide either or doesn't, he's hurt

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

So has AH taken over the sacred cow title form JC?

I was cracking jokes about Andre Johnson when you stated: "I would like to rehash my discussion about Haynesworth and his 4yr 48 million dollar contract from a few weeks back".
Were you hoping for some sort of monetary compensation? Perhaps universal acclamation? I thought it was an invitation to discuss the merits of the signing. Sorry bout that.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Zce, I'm fixing my tie. Bench all ur starters...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised AH gets hurt a lot he plays with reckless abandon in the trenches

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez apparently can't slide either or doesn't, he's hurt

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 10:51 PM

He dove forward for a first down when he hurt his knee. I did read that the Jet's brought in Girardi to learn how to slide.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/01/jets-bring-in-girardi-to-teach-sanchez-to-slide/

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

What's so hard about sliding?

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

to learn him...teach him...something.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't trade Orakpo for Oher.

I would have addressed the OL in the last 5 years instead of relying on Thomas, Samuels, Heyer, and every backup on the roster.

It's all Vinny's doing and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AH. AH is great if and when he plays!

This years draft needs to be a 2008 version of the run we had on pass catchers only this time with OL.

Pabrian...just because you draft a première LT doesn't mean you can't play him over a career back up like Heyer @ RT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

the fans had a sign that read, "slide mark slide"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 10:52 PM

Nah..Just bored and knew peeps would like to debate.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

And not to be critical, but if I'm right, the Gibbs' years also reflect a lack of attempts to keep the offensive line stocked with talent.
the one area Gibbs inherited that wasn't epic disaster was the o-line.
Samuels & Jansen in the prime of their careers.
Thomas acquired as a FA in 2003.
Dockery drafted in 2003, struggled to gain the starting slot.
Raymer at C, Gibbs went out and upgraded with Rabach in 2005.
Ray Brown for depth.

That, my friends, was a solid unit.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

definitely could have gotten a bunch of later round picks, but if you get the next Samuels you gotta say goodbye to Samuels...usually.

I'm hoping they were planning on revamping the O line this year as part of a 5 year plan, get a bunch of pass catchers(08), get a bunch of pass rushers(09), get a bunch of lineman(2010), key word is 'hope'

wishful thinking, i know

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian...just because you draft a première LT doesn't mean you can't play him over a career back up like Heyer @ RT.


Posted by: Diesel44

but with the cap you can't have 2 premiere LT's, not with our cap management at least

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's see if Rex Ryan's boys can close this game out on D.

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

uh, maybe they can.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 3, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

but with the cap you can't have 2 premiere LT's, not with our cap management at least

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 3, 2009 11:08 PM

Agreed, unless you have a real GM that could find a guy that blocked for JC @ Auburn like McNeill and take them in the 2nd rd.

It's funny that while Gibbs was visiting Auburn and stuck us with Rodgers and Campbell that they didn't see the talent of McNeill.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Geez, enough with the AH bash. He's only the best lineman on the field when he plays. Which, if he is out 3 games a year, fine. You can plug anybody else in there that the skins have in that position and they have 1/2 the impact from what I see, at best. I'm tired of hearing about how much money he gets paid. He's the best DT in football. Skins fans should rally around someone that physically dominates, the last person to do that on the Skins was Sean Taylor.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 3, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Saw the movie "BLIND-SIDE" tonight. The MICHAEL OHER story, TOO COOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 3, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
Your draft post is interesting, although I don't see how a bunch of 6th/7th rounders playing OL is going to be elite. Unless you've been doing this professionally, it's pretty hard to look at the list of 7th round OL picks and differentiate them from FA pickups.
But if you look at the higher-round picks (specifically Davis and Barnes), go the the draft board and tell me who we missed out on.
Davis -- there were, if I recall, three other OL picked between Davis and Rhino.

2/59 Mike Pollak (G)
3/65 John Greco (T)
3/83 Jeremy Zuttah (G)

And for Barnes, the next OL picked was... 26 picks later (C) or 29 picks (OL). Barnes was #80 overall... between 75-80 there were 4 OL picked. Too bad we didn't have a 2nd (oh, let's relive that one again!), but you get to pick with the pick you have, not the pick you want to have.

As I've said, I don't want to defend WR-TE-WR, or Barnes, but it's not like there was an obvious OL pick in either of those positions.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans should rally around someone that physically dominates, the last person to do that on the Skins was Sean Taylor.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 3, 2009 11:45 PM

And that's a dude we need to replace with our next #1 pick. Go RT with #2 and #4.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 3, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"4 smart things this FO did this year: Orak, Jarmon, letting Springs go, and hunter."

And next up the best FA kicker out there for next year.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 3, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that while Gibbs was visiting Auburn and stuck us with Rodgers and Campbell that they didn't see the talent of McNeill.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2009 11:19 PM |

When the SKINS were building that successful dynasty, BEATHARD was told what was needed, and he found the talent. After the blow-up and he left, GIBBS made all the decisions. DESMOND HOWARD, while KEENAN McCARDELL couldn't make the squad. I rest my case.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 3, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

And that's a dude we need to replace with our next #1 pick. Go RT with #2 and #4.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 3, 2009 11:48 PM

So Eric Berry with a Top 5 pick instead of the next Samuels in Okung?

ST21 has no rival and would have been better then Ronnie Lott and deserves better then to be compared to Albert.

I can get with the best player available if Okung is gone but I'd rather trade back and collect picks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

When the SKINS were building that successful dynasty, BEATHARD was told what was needed, and he found the talent. After the blow-up and he left, GIBBS made all the decisions. DESMOND HOWARD, while KEENAN McCARDELL couldn't make the squad. I rest my case.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 3, 2009 11:56 PM

Joe Jackson Gibbs was a HOF coach, however he is in the same neighborhood as Holmgren and Vinny as a GM.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

So Eric Berry with a Top 5 pick instead of the next Samuels in Okung?

Absolutely. Move LANDRY back to SS where he belongs, and pick up another FA corner. No cap next year right? Best LT in free agency, best kicker in free agency, best OLB in free agency-another MARCUS WASHINGTON would be great. RT #'s two and four in the draft. #5 left guard to run at BATISTE-another EDWIN WILLIAMS would be nice for the left side. Then a LB at seven, or best available at any position. Same with any supplementals. Let RENALDO WYNN go, JARMON worked out. And PHILLIP DANIELS too, IF that great OLB can be had. Put BRIAN ORAKPO back at DE where he belongs in that case.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 4, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Joe Jackson Gibbs was a HOF coach, however he is in the same neighborhood as Holmgren and Vinny as a GM. Diesel44

My man. I roll with that. JOE's hat size became one too big.


Posted by: glawrence007 | December 4, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Zeke,
Your draft post is interesting, although I don't see how a bunch of 6th/7th rounders playing OL is going to be elite. Unless you've been doing this professionally, it's pretty hard to look at the list of 7th round OL picks and differentiate them from FA pickups.
But if you look at the higher-round picks (specifically Davis and Barnes), go the the draft board and tell me who we missed out on.
Davis -- there were, if I recall, three other OL picked between Davis and Rhino.

2/59 Mike Pollak (G)
3/65 John Greco (T)
3/83 Jeremy Zuttah (G)

And for Barnes, the next OL picked was... 26 picks later (C) or 29 picks (OL). Barnes was #80 overall... between 75-80 there were 4 OL picked. Too bad we didn't have a 2nd (oh, let's relive that one again!), but you get to pick with the pick you have, not the pick you want to have.

As I've said, I don't want to defend WR-TE-WR, or Barnes, but it's not like there was an obvious OL pick in either of those positions.

Posted by: daggar

daggar, I'm pretty much looking at the odds of getting an good OL. With 9 picks, including 1 each in rounds 2-5, I think you find two OL. Its not a very high hit rate, really below average.

But at as they say about the lottery, if you don't play, you can't win.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Zce, I'm fixing my tie. Bench all ur starters...

Posted by: dealer1

Hah, my play of Fred Jackson might be the knockout blow, except he might be knocking out me ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone
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Ok, I give up?

Posted by: edvar

Posted by: hessone | December 4, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

For all the AH bashing and issues with the money he will make or not make, he is certainly an upgrade from Jason Taylor (did he really play here?). Basically, one could make the (weak) case that Vinnie has shown improvement in this area....

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 4, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

diesel44

"...I wouldn't trade Orakpo for Oher."



You should look at video of Jason Campbell getting his head hacked off while trying to pass before you say that.

I like Orakpo, too.

But the team chose to draft Orakpo right around the time it decided to give C Wilson a shot at SLB.

So why then draft a guy to play a position you just switched another guy to?

You let Wilson become what Orakpo is.

You draft Oher--or Phil Loadholdt-- and you have a tackle prospect that'll be rated better than either of the guys folks want now.

The team didn't need Brian Orakpo as much as it needed to fortify the offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 4, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo is a pro bowler in the making.

Just because the Redskins used all their draft picks in 2007 and 2008 on other positions than OL doesn't mean that Orakpo was the wrong selection.

This team has too many holes to turn its nose up at a guy like Orakpo that can be a defensive mainstay for 10 years and put up double digit sacks.

A smart coach like Bill Parcells would know exactly how to use #98 and he would lead the NFC in sacks, even as a rookie.

Oher is another quality player. The Redskins though and most other teams had Orakpo ranked higher as a prospect and for once they made the right move.

Remember that before Orakpo, Jarmon and Haynesworth arrived EVERYONE in DC was criticizing the team for not having a pass rush or any defensive linemen with prime talent.

You can't fix everything in one offseason and unfortunately the Redskins left themselves due to poor decisions in other years with the unenviable task of having weak OL AND DL in the same year to address.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 4, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine the extra time Greg Williams is putting in this week to add new blitz packages so he can embarrass Snyder and Cerrato?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 4, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

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