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Haynesworth Will Skip Trip to Jacksonville

Sidelined this week because of stomach problems, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not accompany the team to Jacksonville for the final preseason game, Coach Jim Zorn said today after practice at Redskins Park.

"He's recovering, he's getting better, but we're going to keep him back," he said. "We're going to keep him back here, getting him working out both with conditioning and strength training. He wasn't going to play anyway, [but] he's definitely a lot better. That's encouraging."

In addition to Haynesworth, middle linebacker London Fletcher (foot), cornerback Carlos Rogers (calf) and running back Clinton Portis also are not expected to play Thursday night against the Jaguars at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium. Fletcher was scheduled to receive an injection of medication into his sore foot. "No emergency or anything like that," Zorn said. "He wasn't going to play, either."

Right guard Randy Thomas (calf) practiced, but Zorn said he might "hold him out as well. He's so stubborn."

Safety Kareem Moore (hamstring) "is a lot better, but I may hold him out as well," Zorn said. "That's going to be a game-time issue."

As for the quarterback rotation, the plan is for Jason Campbell and the first-team offense to play only one series. Backup Todd Collins is expected to sit out, providing more time for Colt Brennan and Chase Daniel to battle for the No. 3 job.

By Jason Reid  |  September 1, 2009; 2:15 PM ET
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Comments

Case for Chase!

Posted by: mattylight | September 1, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Notice how quickly a new thread was created when there was an existing thread with the potential for a lot of good discussion and comment that had barely gotten started.

Posted by: BiggerVance | September 1, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"...Case for Chase!"

If it's a true competition between Colt 'n Chase, then Chase should get reps with the second team offense for about the lenght of two quarters, shouldn't he?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Bigger - you are right about R. Thomas in 2010, I had added him later as well. I think Todd will be here another year.

4-12 - I think 2010 is our year, rather than 2009.... IF we keep everyone together and go after O-lineman next offseason.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 1, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is the roster as I see it - with all 53 players (Jason only posted 50, needed 3 more on offense):

QB: Campbell, Collins, Brennan
RB: Portis, Betts, Cartright, Mason
FB: Sellers, Williams
WR: Moss, Kelly, ARE, Thomas, Mitchell
TE: Cooley, Davis, Yoder
OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer, Bridges, M. Williams Reinhart, Montgomery

DL: Carter, Haynesworth, Griffin, Daniels, Jarmon, Golston, Montgomery, Alexander,
LB: Orakpo, Fletcher, McIntosh, Wilson, Blades, Thomas, Glenn
CB: Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Barnes, Tryon
S: Landry, Horton, Doughty, Moore

K: Rayner
P: Smith
LS: Albright

Practice Squad (partial): OG/C Edwin Williams, LB Henson, RB Dorsey, S Lendy Holmes

I think DL Jackson is the bubble guy who gets cut, but if they keep him, they gotta cut Mason or Yoder or FB Williams - Williams could go to the practice squad.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Mason, Mason, Mason, Mason.

Mason, Mason, Mason, Mason.

Duh-dun-dah-DUN-dah-DUNNN!

Mason!

Posted by: freakzilla | September 1, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see all 53 now - not sure how I missed that Jason - sorry

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is AH not going to Florida? fuel efficiency for the plane? He should be around his teammates

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree MistaMoe...Chase should play with the 2nd team -- let him hook up with Marko a few times and seal his roster spot...

Posted by: mattylight | September 1, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Why is this the first I've heard about Fletcher's foot? those kinds of injuries can bring down a player FAST!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 1, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Why is AH not going to Florida? fuel efficiency for the plane? He should be around his teammates

Posted by: peaceful2008"

Probably so he's not on an airplane throwing up and getting the rest of the team sick for the opening week.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is AH not going to Florida? fuel efficiency for the plane? He should be around his teammates

Posted by: peaceful2008

If he has a virus that might be contagious -- keep him away

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I do think there is something to Chase having a much tougher college schedule. I just think he has a bigger upside & will be snatched off the practice squad if he gets put there.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 2:28

I suspect Chase would get picked up faster than Colt.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

From that list, cut Williams, Young, Cartwright, and Wynn, keep Mason, Aldridge, Henson, and Jackson.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand where you are coming from, psps. I'd like both AA and MM to make the team. But if thecoaches are convinced that MWilliams will be ready to play at some point this season, he does add insurance to the OL, where we have the oldest and most injury-prone group of players on the team.

And I'll go aong with The Mayor on Young. I have no seen him in the preseaso games, but apparently he hasmore speed than Hensen.

But since BOrak and CWilson do play part their time at DE, I think Wynn should be cut and team should select either AA or MM, to put some speed in the backfield, and give us an alternative as punt returner.

RE-Posted by: frediefritz | September 1, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | September 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Chase will be our 2nd QB by this time next year. Perhaps Colt will mature into a non-interception-QB by next year and things could get interesting.

It just make sense to keep him for now since we can keep Chase on practice squad.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I thought AH has muscle problems not the fluish stuff, my bad

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

From Michael Lombardi's column this morning:

Most teams would rather stay the same, even if the same was not good enough. Change is hard for many in the NFL.

Hence, Rock, Betts, Suisham, Colt on roster while Aldridge, Mason, Chase not.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The difference between St. Joe and Zorny ...

Gibbs would play the 1st team, especially Portis for 3 quarters to ensure they are ready for the opener.

Watch Zorn lose at least 3 in a row.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Raise your hand if you think we should keep Mason

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Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Fletcher doesn't miss REAL games. Also, given the lack of starting experience in the depth (only Blades and Robert Thomas?), it makes sense to get every other LB lots of reps.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

AH not going to FLA? Not playing a full season (as usual?) You really do need a svelter, in much better shape Wynn.

You really need Shawn Springs ... well its better for him he may get to a superbowl. That ain't happening under Daniel M. Snyder GM.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

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saluting the Ginas'

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

As the song said, "Don't go back to Jacksonville."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Here is the roster as I see it - with all 53 players (Jason only posted 50, needed 3 more on offense):

QB: Campbell, Collins, Brennan
RB: Portis, Betts, Cartright, Mason
FB: Sellers, Williams
WR: Moss, Kelly, ARE, Thomas, Mitchell
TE: Cooley, Davis, Yoder
OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer, Bridges, M. Williams Reinhart, Montgomery

DL: Carter, Haynesworth, Griffin, Daniels, Jarmon, Golston, Montgomery, Alexander,
LB: Orakpo, Fletcher, McIntosh, Wilson, Blades, Thomas, Glenn
CB: Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Barnes, Tryon
S: Landry, Horton, Doughty, Moore

K: Rayner
P: Smith
LS: Albright

Practice Squad (partial): OG/C Edwin Williams, LB Henson, RB Dorsey, S Lendy Holmes

I think DL Jackson is the bubble guy who gets cut, but if they keep him, they gotta cut Mason or Yoder or FB Williams - Williams could go to the practice squad.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Wemiss21, you need to count! We're going to ghange your handle to Wemiss24, since yo missed 3.

By the way, I still think Yoder is expendable. Sleepy is doing better job of blockig, and Lo Alex can be used as TE in goalline and Jumbo packages. So we could cut Yoder and keep Wynn, and still have a spot for either AA or MM.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

One Man's 53-Player Roster--RI The Mayor

Looks to me like the big battle for #53 position is among Aldridge, Young, and Mike Williiams.

But consider this. This team has NO ONE on IR that I'm aware of. If someone goes down--don't blame me if it happens, it's football--in the last exhibition game, this formula will change.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

sorry, wrong finger for the Ginas'

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

On Mason: Even underachieving Devin Thomas has proven he can effectively return punts and kickoffs. What has Mason done on 'teams?

No Mason.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

... Perhaps Colt will mature into a non-interception-QB by next year and things could get interesting. ...

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:38 PM

Perhaps Colt will mature into a non-interception-QB by the end of the game on Thursday.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Article suggesting trades

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10008538/NFL-trades-that-need-to-happen-before-kickoff

5. DT Anthony Montgomery to the Panthers: Ever since the Panthers lost mountain man Maake Kemoeatu at defensive tackle, GM Marty Hurney has been looking for a big replacement. Washington's Montgomery is 6-foot-6, 320 pounds and very unhappy about being demoted from the starting lineup with the arrival of Albert Haynesworth.

Its this sort of trade where we can reclaim either draft picks or some OL help. More likely picks. Haven't heard anything up here about Monty being very unhappy, though ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"But consider this. This team has NO ONE on IR that I'm aware of. If someone goes down--don't blame me if it happens, it's football--in the last exhibition game, this formula will change.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009"

Given the track record from last year and the year before, and the fact that this older line continues to age and endure ever more injuries ...

I think Cork you can safely assume that it will indeed happen.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

speculum,

it just appeared that Mason could run through people with some burst, that's all. Since neither CP, Betts or Rock have birst, I think it may be of value since running backs can do better if they have "acceleration"

Our beloved Betts seems to look for the first big defensive player to run INTO.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Hope I am not being negative, just think it is worth discussing the backup RB issues......

I wish Betts well, for sure

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"...the plan is for Jason Campbell and the first-team offense to play only one series." -- Mayor

Can I click "doesn't like this"? They should either play, and get in the proverbial 'rhythm' or not play at all. But knowing you're going out for just one series...that just reeks of freak injury.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 1, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Its this sort of trade where we can reclaim either draft picks or some OL help. More likely picks. Haven't heard anything up here about Monty being very unhappy, though ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Trade? Great idea! They do need OL help desperately ... and help in the defensive backfield.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am with you 4-12

God forbid JC misses a throw and we have to hear Colt, Colt for 10 more days...

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

speculum,

it just appeared that Mason could run through people with some burst, that's all.

Yeah, against guys who won't be around after the last exhibition game ... he won't get far against 1st stringers playing for keeps.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Browns just traded a Def Tackle--Leonard-
to the Panthers.. that should end the Montgomery rumor of him going there..

Posted by: shally | September 1, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Chase would get picked up faster than Colt.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009

Kind of short though ... looks like Pittsburgh's erstwhile big backup QB is now a starter. The Skins could have had that

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Nothing would shock me when the final roster is announced. We all thought Billy McMullen would make the team last year. We all had Justin "Ade Jimoh II" Tryon destined for the practice squad too. Matterral Richardson clearly out played lil' Jimoh last year.

Posted by: dcwun | September 1, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

5. DT Anthony Montgomery to the Panthers: Ever since the Panthers lost mountain man Maake Kemoeatu at defensive tackle, GM Marty Hurney has been looking for a big replacement. Washington's Montgomery is 6-foot-6, 320 pounds and very unhappy about being demoted from the starting lineup with the arrival of Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 2:48 PM

First of all, I hate to pimp myself (yeah, right) and my past blatherings up here, but the author of the article in the hyperlink is a long-time lurker, no time poster.

Second, Anthony Montgomery has been the least distinguished of all the DTs in his performance. He's been vying with Golston since he got here. Advantage, Golston. Undrafted guys? Advantage, Lorenzo.

Third, Montgomery was "demoted" with the arrival of AH? Demotion seems like it would require having been a starter. Disadvantage, Montgomery. He's had a chance to angry up his motor on his own. Maybe a change would do him good. Plus, Skins have depth needs on the O-line, at LB, and as far as I'm concerned, CB.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Mr Nate- Cheeky move scheduling the FF draft for the 4th Quarter of the game Thursday night.
You just know some fool [pronounced: 4-12] on the east coast will be DWD [drafting while drinking], and think it's a swell idea to draft those playmakers Chase Daniel, Marcus Mason, and Keith Eloi in the last few rounds.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 1, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, on his chat today Mosley said he thought Mason would definitely make the team, and his on his way to replacing Betts...

Posted by: mattylight | September 1, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Matterral Richardson clearly out played lil' Jimoh last year.

Posted by: dcwun | September 1, 2009 2:59 PM

Matteral Richardson > Tyron ... or Barnes

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Portis. Betts. Cartwright

Not. Good. Enough

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

McMullen should have made the roster last year. Kelly should have been moved to the PUP or IR before the season even started.

Posted by: McMetal | September 1, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Browns just traded a Def Tackle--Leonard-
to the Panthers.. that should end the Montgomery rumor of him going there..

Posted by: shally | September 1, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I saw that today but even before that the trade never would have happened. They don't have an extra offensive tackle. They need one just as bad as we do.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 1, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Can I click "doesn't like this"? They should either play, and get in the proverbial 'rhythm' or not play at all. But knowing you're going out for just one series...that just reeks of freak injury.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 1, 2009 2:52 PM

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Paranoia, big destroyer...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Portis, Mason, Cartwright

Would, Be, Better

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Zcezcest1 this was on PFT earlier today, which likely negates your 2:48 pm post.

The Panthers have announced that defensive tackle Louis Leonard has been acquired from the Browns for an undisclosed draft choice.

Leonard arrived via waivers from the Rams in 2007. He appeared in 16 games last season for the Browns, starting four times.

Per Steve Reed of CarolinaGrowl.com, Leonard will compete with Nick Hayden for a starting spot in the Panthers' 4-3 defense.

Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Matteral Richardson > Tyron ... or Barnes

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:02 PM

actually, I take that back about Barnes. He has the tools, such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

What, no talk about cheeseburgers today?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if big Anthony Montgomery can switch to offensive tackle? He's not very effective at DT. Seems athletic enough. I'd bet he's better than Mike Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 1, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet he's better than Mike Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 1, 2009 3:11 PM

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How would you know how good Mike williams is?

How would anyone know?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If you trade away Montgomery, you've just created a depth problem on the interior of the defensive line -- and an even bigger one when Daniels and Griffin retire/get released, which will be relatively soon.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams, he cant haz cheezburgers.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Cornerback Pacman Jones, released by the Dallas Cowboys in February, has agreed to a one-year deal with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the CFL.

-epsn

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Insert strip club joke here.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man, cheeseburgers are so good!

Posted by: freakzilla | September 1, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Okay here is my 53 man roster lay into it.
QB: Campbell,Collins,Daniel,
RB: Portis,Betts,Dorsey,Mason
FB: Sellers, Mike
WR: Moss, Randle El, Thomas,Kelly, Mitchell
TE: Cooley, Davis, Yoder
OT: Heyer, Samuels, M Williams
OG: Rinehart, Dockery, Thomas, Bridges
C: Rabach, E Williams
DE: Carter, Daniels, Jackson, Jarmon, Buzbee
DT: Haynesworth, Montgomery, Griffin, Golston, Alexander,
OLB: McIntosh, Orakpo, Wilson, Henson
MLB: Fletcher, Blades
CB: Rogers,Smoot, Hall, Barnes, Tryon
FS: Landry, Moore
SS: Horton, Doughty
K: Rayner
P: Smith
LS: Albright

Here is a hypothetical, how much longer are we letting the red snapper stick around until he is replaced by someone who can be a capable backup interior linemen.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, against guys who won't be around after the last exhibition game ... he won't get far against 1st stringers playing for keeps.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 2:56 PM


He looked pretty solid to me against the Patriots first-stringers, not a team known for phoning it in.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 1, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Buzbee? and Jackson?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

seems like Gibbs coached Portis to stay with his blockers and take what is there, and then a lot of fans started to cry about it.

the guy had 1500 yards last seeze, led the league in carries the previous.

no burst? I'll telll you what you stand there and let him hit you, and say there's no burst.

If he didn't have to juke a guy in the backfield on half his runs he'd break more long runs.

Portis hits the hole as hard as anyone i've ever seen, and i've watched all the NFL films stuff

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 1, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Cartwright over Betts.

Rocks has more value on teams, and is a backup FB.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Zcezcest1,

I was thinking the same thing that Monty could be traded away. I just feel we have younger guys who are hungrier and more talented than him. I also feel that there will be a couple of surprises here.

Posted by: Veretax | September 1, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

lolcatz... someone should do a Cure cover...

...oh wait... I just did.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 1, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Haynes worth is sick from eating Brady for dinner last week.

Campbell led us to as much production as Brady and we fared better on our first drive and at the end of the half - advantage Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 1, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

remember the year Betts returned kicks, he did well

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Chia,
I figure since the team is going to be high rotation on the D line you want to have 4-5 guys there, especially if Jarmon is supposed to more or less red shirt the season

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Matteral Richardson > Tyron ... or Barnes

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:02 PM

actually, I take that back about Barnes. He has the tools, such as

Posted by: dcsween |

From what I saw last year, Richardson all the way. Tryon next stop should be the UFL

Posted by: dcwun | September 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

At FB, you have Sellers listed, and then some guy name Mike?

What about the rookie FB, Eddie Williams?

No mention of Eddie, seems destined to be cut?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We aint' trading AM no where..... The only way he can get out of here is through Free Agency....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 1, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Justification for Marcus Mason:

I think Mason makes the team, but I also think he will be inactive for most games. But here is the thing, nobody wants Rock Cartright playing offense, so if Portis or Betts have to miss a game, Mason gets activiated and comes in as the 2nd back. With Betts' history, they might need Mason, look at what happened to Denver and New England last year. BenJarvis Green-Ellis became a starter....

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Chia
I think cartwrights time as a returner is almost up and have been low on him this season, the reasons for that are not his fault Its all because of the rule changes this year. In terms of his Special teams talents, I would put Thomas and Dorsey back there for that reason.

Betts is more or less locked in as no 2 RB so I don't see him going.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Is there a worse scenario than having to depend on Rock Cartwright as an RB? He's also the slowest KR in the NFL.

Posted by: dcwun | September 1, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry on the Mike typo.

I am gonna guess we are going to be listing the TE's as backup FB. And maybe that other guy is on the PS, which I did not get into because of the whole who is PS eligible question

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Very PC roster, Mr. Mayor. Mason has outperformed Betts fot two straight training camps..Either Chase or Colt will be devoured by a wounded animal team before the season's long in the tooth, as will a few others; we made good competitive efforts to upgrade at all positions but OT..Something should happen, like we picked up Kendall at the season's start last year, waivers or trade..

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question. How many teams have a Long Snapper who plays no second position?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question. How many teams have a Long Snapper who plays no second position?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

In a 4-3 defense, I don't see the need for 8 LBs (as the Mayor has it).

How 'bout 7 LBs and 1 Marcus Mason

Not going to activate all 8 for games anyway, even for Special Teams.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

If you trade away Montgomery, you've just created a depth problem on the interior of the defensive line -- and an even bigger one when Daniels and Griffin retire/get released, which will be relatively soon.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2009 3:15 PM

Worse would be if they DON'T trade him, Daniels/Griffin retire/get released, and THEN Montgomery makes All-Pro.

Worse for me anyway ... with the egg all over my face and such.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is not a west coast QB.

The team is out of shape- training camp was WAY too easy on them. Thanks Jim Zorn for pampering these babies.

Clinton Portis is fruitier than a truckload of oranges and has zero break-away speed.

8-8 at best.

Posted by: richard_cranium | September 1, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question. How many teams have a Long Snapper who plays no second position?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:39 PM

On behalf of myself and all the other lazy, non-googling RI posters like me, I can say without equivcation that ... I don't know.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I am wondering if Marcus Mason makes the team will Jason Reid ever interview him and write something positive? Now that would be interesting to see.

Baring any set backs on Thursday, Marcus will make the team. Why do you think the SP Team Coach is in the tank because in the meetings on Sunday the word about bumping Mason to 3rd in a clear sign that Rock might be a goner.

Posted by: thebanker21 | September 1, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I was quoting Czarneicki -- not a big fan of the guy, but he's been covering this stuff a long time. In any case, my point wasn't exclusive to a deal with the Panthers, its that if Monty is unhappy and someone needs a DT, the front office should be out there asking. Though I can imagine they might not want to part with Monty if they think Carter and Griffin are both getting near the end of their time here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hayneworth's Stomach problem is that it is too big.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | September 1, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The team drafted a lot of LB's thats what makes it all so hard to tell, will Vinny kinda show he let the draft go to botchtown after the 3rd round.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question. How many teams have a Long Snapper who plays no second position?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Quit being lazy and go find out yourself. Dude has red hair, he is a winner.

Posted by: stanky | September 1, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question. How many teams have a Long Snapper who plays no second position?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:39 PM

Atleast Half

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 1, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

OT: Heyer, Samuels, M Williams

Posted by: alex35332 |

Maybe we can go to a six guard system, where they're stacked one behind the other, kinda like those sextuple Whoppers Mike Williams is so fond of..

Need Backup, and The Mike Williams Experiment won't be ready till week 8..if'n you trust it..

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Portis hits the hole as hard as anyone i've ever seen, and i've watched all the NFL films stuff

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 1, 2009

Last 8 games. Playoffs in view. 3.2 yards per carry. 2 touchdowns. 'Splain please?

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

4-12. Haynesworth plays in only 4-5 games. Danny sells the team to the Lerners.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with the way the team is presently constructed. The only questions I had going into the season were whether the starting offensive line returns to form (so far, so good) and whether the WRs would produce (so far, good). Obviously, neither have been proven on a full level, but they've both shown enough that this team really doesn't even need to think about making drastic moves. Maybe they pick up a vet that gets cut to provide depth along the o-line, but that's about it. Everywhere else, there are more than enough options to choose from.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Frak,
I think Bridges is a backup T as well as Guard.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Yoder = replaced by L. Alexander
Beamer = PUP to start the season
Young = interesting call but prob PS (No other team will sign him off the PS as compared with a CB or an OT)
Dorsey = punt returner/change of pace RB
Wynn = replaced by Jarmon
Holmes = PS but maybe they will keep him on the 53 until Moore is OK
Aldridge = replaced by Dorsey who can return punts
Brennan = you can't teach what he does by instinct (back footed, side-arm completions under pressure; they can teach him to make better decisions)
Westbrook = on the 53 at least until C. Rogers looks OK
Glenn = PS (still learning the LB position)
Henson = needs to perform on special teams and might get beat out by Young for the 53
Riley or Burly = might make the 53 temporarily so that they won't lose an OT from the PS
Hackett = ARE back-up in the slot on the 53
Williams (FB) = PS (Sellers' only backup)
Agnone = PS (3rd TD if needed)
Daniel = PS (safe, no one will sign him)
Williams (C) = PS raw

Posted by: iseyij | September 1, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they pick up a vet that gets cut to provide depth along the o-line, but that's about it. Everywhere else, there are more than enough options to choose from.

Posted by: psps23

Mason, the backup OT and a CONSISTENT OFFENSE, led by the sharper Campbell..Hall playing better than the cremation he got against Moss..be alright..

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Green: "Just to toot my own horn for just a second, for six weeks I trained Justin Tryon, and I'm gonna say that Justin Tryon, if he's given the chance, he's a starter in 2009, 2010 or whenever the opportunity comes. He is definitely qualified to be a starter in the National Football League. I'm putting my reputation on that..."

Tryon looks absolutely awful so far, but that's a heckuva endorsement from The Man. And, he brings some decent credentials from college (2nd team All-Pac-10 in 2007). I'm not ready to see him go yet.

Let's see how he does against the Jags.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I got no issue with DWD. I wish everyone the very best of luck in the fantasy draft. Not to give away too much, but I'm just trying to decide between Aldridge and Dorsey for my second RB slot.

I ordered a cheeseburger at lunch, but the flingin' flangin' deli only makes burgers after 3pm. After 3pm? Sheesh... I mean, the sammy I had was pretty good, but I wanted a doggone cheeseburger.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 1, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

alex35332-
He's a much better guard, as is Rhinehart..Need some quality there..

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This is what passes for national news about the Redskins:

ASHBURN, Va. - Clinton Portis is chasing John Riggins as the Washington Redskins’ all-time leading rusher — but don’t expect them to be best pals when the moment finally comes.

Portis used his 28th birthday Tuesday to take a few more potshots at the Redskins legend. After calling Riggins a great running back, Portis added: “Think of who else was around him. That was really not hard to be a great running back when you’ve got that talent all around you.”

Riggins rushed for more than 7,000 yards for the Redskins in the 1970s and ’80s, much of it behind the famous “Hogs” offensive line.

Riggins has been critical of Portis. Earlier this year, he called Portis “a headache” who “has the team over a barrel.”

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Alex ---

Red Snapper is one of the best LS in the league. Can we just leave our potential Pro-Bowlers alone? I think you're reading too much into his Madden score

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 1, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Chase V Colt
Chase Colt
Hight +
Mechanics +
Mobility +
Moxy +

What else is there?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

and if you don't think Long Snappers are important, just ask Trey Junkin and the 2002 Giants

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 1, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Alex, what's your beef with the Red Snapper?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a beef with the long snapper, and I like EA, just a question as to how much of a roll most snappers play in the league. I was doing a 53 man cut and was just thinking, man I would love to have space for another LB or OT so I just posed the question.

Sure Long Snappers are important, but I just think back to the Baltimore game and we threw a young center in at OT and am like, what Red Snapper cant block better then that tub of goo?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Frak,
The talent and depth problem we have at T is not one that you will solve with anyone on the current roster.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't have an issue with the super-specialists who do ONLY one job, or with the fact that we have three of them instead of just two. I think long snapping is such a particular skill that you have to have a guy dedicated to it if you want it done right, same as with punting and kicking. I think we're lucky to have the Red Snapper on board. Such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Errr, I thought I said that..

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Last 8 games. Playoffs in view. 3.2 yards per carry. 2 touchdowns. 'Splain please?

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Portis, Chris Samuels, Randy Thomas, and Casey Rabach were all hurting and look at the strength of schedule for those last 8 games. Pitt, Philly, Dallas, NYG, and Baltimore were all decent rushing defenses last year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 1, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Nate, should've ordered a patty melt. That's technically a sandwich.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 1, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall would look good with Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly. Bellichik Jr is trying to make an example out of him. Maybe Devin Thomas and a 3rd round pick could get Marshall.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
Not like I think Red Snapper is bad or we should cut him. I had him in the lock list of 36 sure to be on the roster guys.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question. How many teams have a Long Snapper who plays no second position?

Leave him alone. One botched snap can cost the game - and he's never missed one yet. Don't mess with perfection.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

What else is there?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 4:01 PM

Church vs. Cult
Billy Graham vs. Jim Jones
Grape juice vs. kool aid
stale cracker vs. uh, poison
oh okay...
higher release point can help compensate for height difference plus Chase is used to finding throwing lanes against better defenses than Colt played against.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Frak,
The talent and depth problem we have at T is not one that you will solve with anyone on the current roster.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

That depends on what you mean by solve. Is solve ideal or is solve good enough to get by until the next draft? I think we have what we need to get by this year. Samuels and Heyer will do fine until BMW is ready. Bridges can come in if needed. We do not have a long term solution and will be boned if Samuels gets hurt early but there is no team in the NFL that is perfect.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 1, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall would look good with Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly. Bellichik Jr is trying to make an example out of him. Maybe Devin Thomas and a 3rd round pick could get Marshall.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Um..the skins don't have a 3rd rounder next year. More importantly, this is really a bad idea.

Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE Rock Cartwright. Have been a big defender of his. He may not break long kick returns all that often or take it to the house, BUT he ALWAYS had positive yards and the Skins always had good field position off KO (check the starting position per kickoff by RC - very respectable v the league).

BUT.... He hasn't/doesn't contribute to the running game so hard to count him as a RB. I'm not saying he couldn't, just that he hasn't.

Having watched the preseason games, I really think the FO should consider letting Rock go and replace him with Dorsey who CAN return at least punts and offer a quick, small back as a change of pace. Rock in the backfield is like Betts in the backfield. I'm just not sure that Rock is a sure thing for the 53 man roster...

And for the record, I though MM did a very good job against the #1 D of the Pats. Certainly more forward yardage than CP who cannot seem to run past any defenders anymore (not that the holes were big).

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 1, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall is a fungus Tinactin can't cure. He'll infect anyone who shares a locker room with him. As the Broncos are finding out.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Are ANY of you really Redskins fans???

Doesn't ANYONE remember when a muffed snap for a chipshot field goal cost the Redskins a chance to go to the NFC championship game in 1999? They lost to the Bucs 14-13. And as I remember then long snapper ended up committing suicide a bit later.

Just saying, long snapper is pretty important (as Romo too -- hahahaha)

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

QUOTED: 'Riggins has been critical of Portis. Earlier this year, he called Portis “a headache” who “has the team over a barrel.” '

And he would know...wouldn't he? Lighten Up, Riggo Baby!

ITEM: M. Williams CAN has cheezburgers...they should just be SOY cheese over Bison Burgers on whole grain flatbread.

In a sixth sign of the apocolypse alert....I AGREE with periculum...No Mason.

I WOULD consider keeping Aldridge though.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | September 1, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Not keeping 4 RB's is the only mistake w/ JReid's roster, and one for the staff if they don't.

Cartwright will not get any carries in this offense for a lot of reasons.

There's no way they keep only Portis and Betts after all the injuries.

They brought on Shaun Alexander last year...

Mason/Aldridge make the roster.


Posted by: saltine182 | September 1, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE Rock Cartwright. Have been a big defender of his. He may not break long kick returns all that often or take it to the house, BUT he ALWAYS had positive yards and the Skins always had good field position off KO (check the starting position per kickoff by RC - very respectable v the league).

BUT.... He hasn't/doesn't contribute to the running game so hard to count him as a RB. I'm not saying he couldn't, just that he hasn't.
Posted by: carocanesfan | September 1, 2009 4:29 PM

If the team is afraid to use him as a rb, then we really have 4 specialists. Hmmm...

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 1, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Devin Thomas and a 3rd round pick could get Marshall.
Would that "3rd round pick" be Barnes, Jarmon, or the 2011 3rd rounder?

Posted by: daggar | September 1, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I was wrong on two counts...

The long snapper didn't kill himself. It was cancer that killed him. It was Dan Turk.

And it wasn't a chipshot. Was 52 yards. But the kick never did get off and the Skins went home.

So I'm calling myself out a bit too... Hahaha

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 1, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

zilla, they have a delicious Reuben which I've tried before, but I wanted to try something new this trip, and I was so fixated on the cheeburg that I didn't notice the fine print "Availabe [sic] after 3pm"

I had a grilled ham, cheddar, apple and mustard on whole wheat. It was terrific. But it weren't no cheeseburger.

alex, get off Albright, wouldya? Just let it go! That and your cockamamie scheme for professional minor league fubbal! Just drop it already!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 1, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Leave him alone. One botched snap can cost the game - and he's never missed one yet. Don't mess with perfection."

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2009

1999 Playoffs, long snapper Matt Turk the holder. Botches the hold on a kick that could beat Tampa Bay and ostensibly send the Norv Turner Snidely Skins to the superbowl.

Next question?

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ooops Dan Turk. My bad. He probably had testicular cancer and didn't do anything about it until it was way too late ...

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Matteral Richardson > Tyron ... or Barnes

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 3:02 PM

actually, I take that back about Barnes. He has the tools, such as

Posted by: dcsween |

From what I saw last year, Richardson all the way. Tryon next stop should be the UFL

Posted by: dcwun | September 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Matterral is now with the Houston Texans. I remember in the HOF game last year he picked off Jared Lorenzen's pass & took it to the house.

I don't know if he's still in the league, but Jared Lorenzen was a big fat 3rd stringer for the 'Ginas. He had some great nicknames, like: "Quarter(got)back", "Hefty Lefty", "The Pillsbury Throwboy", "The Abominable Throwman", "J.Load", "Round Mound of Touchdown", "Tubby Gunslinger" "BBQ (Big Beautiful Quarterback)", "Battleship Lorenzen", "Butterball", "Lord Of The Ring-Dings", and "He Ate Me".

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 1, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Ooops Dan Turk. My bad. He probably had testicular cancer and didn't do anything about it until it was way too late ...

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that's probably the only time he's ever screwed up. He was a great football player for a lot years and that's what he's going to be remembered for.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 1, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Dan Turk lived next door to me for a couple years and when he passed. Really nice guy, if you're from around the Ashburn, Sterling, Countryside area, and you remember the hot dog stands outside Home Depot, Dan Turk owned those.

I used to live right between Dan Turk and Kenard Lang.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 1, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Portis, Mason, Cartwright

Would, Be, Better

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 1, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Mason, blocking, linebackers

Gets, Campbell, killed

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 1, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

ThinkingMan, no need to bring on the Apocalypse. Plenty of other posters up here don't think (and for a while now have not thought) that Mason should be on the final roster.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

betts and cartwright need to put up numbers at whatever positions they play (betts 2nd rb, cart spec teamer/3rd rb) if they plan on staying in washington. all the backup backs in the league for the most part, push the starter. betts doesn't push portis. there isn't a betts v portis argument out there. betts IMHO has regressed from that 1000 yd form from a few yrs back. furthermore, it seems like he needs a bunch of carries to be effective. he can't come off the bench and hit a homerun like a sproles. and if u don't have a real bruiser on the bench ( LB gets stopped on the 1 and fumbles a bunch) then most teams want a speed guy as their back up( ie change of pace back) with ladell and rock you don't get a change of pace, u get slower, worse, backs. i think both rock and ladell are getting kinda long in the tooth, especially when you got a coupla young studs out there moving the rock like mason and dorsey do. i dunno, if jason campbell can be traded i just fell like neither rock nor ladell has done very much for me lately.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 1, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I have no sense about the Jaguars this season. Seems like the good defenders I remember are gone, as well as Fred Taylor. Is there any reason to think the Jags have any pep left? [I thought they would have a better season than they did last season. I think Lisa did as well.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith has a broken foot. HA ha... Serves his greedy self right.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

cash the check

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 1, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith has a broken foot. HA ha... Serves his greedy self right.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 5:41 PM

You know, there's a name for people who derive pleasure from others' misfortune: sociopath. In your case, you're a stupid sociopath.

He signed a contract. So, he gets paid whether he plays or not. The ones that are the losers are the Bengals. They're paying him and he's not playing.

If he'd broken his foot before he signed the contract, then he's suffer the consequences. But he's signed and he's laughing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It's the moment you've all been waiting for...yep, you guessed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1xkTLSlE-s

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Last 8 games. Playoffs in view. 3.2 yards per carry. 2 touchdowns. 'Splain please?

Posted by: periculum

Allow me. He was hurt. Worse yet, so was his line.

But I've seen guys on the Redskins--never mind the rest of the league--who hit the hole as hard or harder than Portis, starting with Larry Brown.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

...the losers are the Bengals...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 5:49 PM |

Where have I heard that before...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Portis hits the hole as hard as anyone i've ever seen, and i've watched all the NFL films stuff

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 1, 2009

Last 8 games. Playoffs in view. 3.2 yards per carry. 2 touchdowns. 'Splain please?

Posted by: periculum

What holes?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"But I've seen guys on the Redskins--never mind the rest of the league--who hit the hole as hard or harder than Portis, starting with Larry Brown."

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009

And at the end of NFL League MVP (a title Portis will never ever even sniff) Larry Brown's career they drafted Mike Thomas exactly because of his injuries.

With Superbowl MVP Riggins there were guys like Joe Washington et al finally George Rogers.

Now, what's this about Betts or anyone else playing for this jerk?

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

If he'd broken his foot before he signed the contract, then he's suffer the consequences. But he's signed and he's laughing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 5:49 PM | Rep

You thought too hard on this and pulled a brain muscle. I was referring to him sitting back home waiting to get paid instead of being in camp getting into game shape working hard with his new teammates. Never did I say he wouldn't get paid. But karma has a way of catching up with people, and well, I saw him run & he ain't that hard to catch.So instead of helping his team get better now that he has his money, he is watching while the Bengals will miss him being out there and they're running game won't be the same & Palmer may get roughed up more.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"What holes?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009

Don't get him started. Portis has basically already started using this as an excuse given the quotes from his birthday party.

Next year: Draft OL and a top running back most definitely.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 5:49

Next time you comment make sure you don't try to think & type at the same time before stretching properly. Your multitasking skills are still in preseason form & you need more reps to get ready by the Giants game.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

But karma has a way of catching up with people, ...

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 6:12 PM

You'd think, but somehow you get lectured on schadenfreude by a guy who persisted in ridiculing a kid who got decapitated by a ride at Six Flags.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

persisted in ridiculing a kid who got decapitated by a ride at Six Flags.

Posted by: dcsween | September 1, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

TE ridiculed the Six Flags kid?

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

TE ridiculed the Six Flags kid?

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 6:31 PM

Nope. dcsween's misremembered something. sween, if you've got something, let's see it. I think your bag is empty on this one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Linebackers (8)

London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Brian Orakpo, H.B. Blades, Robert Thomas, Chris Wilson and Cody Glenn, Darrel Young

Why Young? Look at the age of Fletcher and MacIntoshes knees which make him Fletcher's age or older. You can see where they end up starting either Thomas or Wilson on that side alternating with Orapko if/when McIntosh goes down. Blades replaces Fletcher. Glenn, Young, and Wilson primarily for special teams with help from Thomas and Orapko.

The Mayor's assessment makes sense but it may be overridden by Snyderato who enjoy filling the roster with useless types like Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Redskins Nation tonight. In the segment w/ Larry Weisman, Larry Weisman mentioned that the Pats called the skins about doing a trade for Todd Collins. If Colt Brennan had shown any signs of competency this preseason, the skins could've gotten a 4th or 3th rounder for the old guy.

Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Redskins Nation tonight. In the segment w/ Larry Weisman, Larry Weisman mentioned that the Pats called the skins about doing a trade for Todd Collins. If Colt Brennan had shown any signs of competency this preseason, the skins could've gotten a 4th or 3th rounder for the old guy.

Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2009 6:40 PM

I say trade Codd anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Pats called the skins about doing a trade for Todd Collins. If Colt Brennan had shown any signs of competency this preseason, the skins could've gotten a 4th or 3th rounder for the old guy.
Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2009 6:40 PM

That could have solved the Colt vs Chase question and given a decent pick if true. Bellichek probably just teasing Vinny most likely.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Portis hits the hole as hard as anyone i've ever seen, and i've watched all the NFL films stuff

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 1, 2009

Gale Sayers picked Brown as the better running back over then league rushing king OJ Simpson. One reason is Brown's OL which was designed as a small and nimble pass blocking line for Sonny Jurgenson.

Why not ask Portis if he could run behind that line?

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I also think Renaldo Wynn is over... he got pancaked by a rookie in the Ravens game... humiliating...

Posted by: oldnova | September 1, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been keeping up with Wynn's play but I can tell you that the "pancake" block was a joke. That pancake occurred because a veteran linemen knew that the play was over and the rookie was bulling him back into the pile. Linemen need their wheels, especially older veteran linemen. Wynn eased up, knowing that the pileup of humanity was right behind him and Ohler takes his momentum and rookie energy and goes 100%. Wynn played it the only way he could and stopped moving his legs back because he knew what was behind him. He even picks his legs up knowing he was going to take it in the chin.

It looked brutal but it was definitely a savvy and smart veteran play. He was in for the next play, wheels intact, while Ohler had to leave the game to stop the blood from his split face.

With that being said, I vote youth over experience with regards to Wynn. Got to throw the nod to youth (speed, agility, strength, revved motors and fresh wheels) over veterans (savvy, experience, strength, leverage, and technique).

Can't coach speed.


Posted by: BigDeck | September 1, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BigDeck | September 1, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I hate to put any bad juju out there but I think the Toddster is going to stay because neither Chase or Colt is ready to step into starting line up AND if Soups has anything but a career year I have the sinking feeling that Snyder is going to move heaven and earth to grab one of the big name QBs in the draft which means we'll need the Todder to be #2 next year also or better yet we'll pick up Favre after he 'retires' again.

I confess I concocted a goofy cheer for AH after the hit on Brady. . . I imagine I'm not original but "Wait'll we get our Haynes on you." just kept going through my head.

Posted by: sfskin | September 1, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"Wait'll we get our Haynes on you." just kept going through my head.

Posted by: sfskin | September 1, 2009 6:55

Nice.

Posted by: will_ga | September 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Why even bother debating something as unsubstantial as whether Portis hits the hole harder than other backs? (Oh...I bet the children are snickering over that one - "He said 'hit the hole harder')

Bottom line is he's a hell of a back with a big mouth who should NOT be disrespecting Riggins - or his own line for that sake. He's got great stats, but that move was classless IMO.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Portis should keep his mouth shut. He is a good back but not great. He has no break out speed. We definitely need to draft a running back next year. Thats after we draft OL first.

Posted by: TheJury | September 1, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"BMW" might never be ready. He wasn't in Buffalo. He lost his job to a guy who used to be a tightend now considered the best LT in the league. Now with the Eggles.

Next year: Draft OL, then more OL, then even more OL plus a corner back and a running back.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"Draft OL, then more OL, then even more OL plus a corner back and a running back."


Did I hear, "Draft a running back?"

Why draft a running back when you can wait for and pounce on CP's eventual replacement--CJ Spiller, Clemson Tigers?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Statistically Clinton is one of the best backs ever. How many times has he single handedly carried this team? I think he will have 1300+ yards again this year and 10+ touchdowns. Yes next year we should draft an OT and a good RB to replace him eventually, but give CP the respect he deserves.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 1, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I hate to put any bad juju out there but I think the Toddster is going to stay because neither Chase or Colt is ready to step into starting line up....

Posted by: sfskin | September 1, 2009 6:55 PM

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Coach Zen has already announced that TC is a lock for #2.

There has never been any question about it.

I made the same mistake, and TE corrected me, so don't jump from a bridge over this.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Portis should keep his mouth shut. He is a good back but not great. He has no break out speed. We definitely need to draft a running back next year. Thats after we draft OL first.

Posted by: TheJury | September 1, 2009 7:19 PM

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Wrong.

When Portis speaks, you bow down and kiss his feet.

In the meantime, shut your pie hole.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Portis should keep his mouth shut. He is a good back but not great. He has no break out speed. We definitely need to draft a running back next year. Thats after we draft OL first.

Posted by: TheJury | September 1, 2009 7:19 PM

How is he not a GREAT back!

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 1, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

We definitely need to draft a running back next year. Thats after we draft OL first.

Posted by: TheJury | September 1, 2009 7:19 PM

Jury? You've rendered a verdict without hearing the evidence?

You are so lost in time. This week we are doing the roster for 2009. After we have been eliminated from Super Bowl contention, we start worrying about the roster for 2010. We like to see how our present roster performs before thinking which position is most in need of an upgrade.

It's like that embarrassing sex thing. What's it called? Oh, right. Premature ejaculation.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

How is he not a GREAT back!

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 1, 2009 8:01 PM

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What, 1300 yards running behind a very average line not good enough for ya?

Perhaps, you would prefer a .......... cheeseburger?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 1, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

He is a solid back who is an EXCELLENT BEAST of a pass blocker (prob best in the league as an RB).

He hasn't done anything extraordinary recently. He doesn't break long runs anymore. His longest as a Redskin was his very first carry. He does not have break away speed anymore. He averaged 2.9 ypc over last 5 games of year. And I"ll be honest, maybe he's pulling an Allen Iverson (it's just PRACTICE) out there, but he has been anything but inspiring in the 3 preseason games.

Don't get me wrong. He's our #1 back. No doubt. But he's not in the elite RB status anymore, despite his career stats....

my 0.02 worth

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 1, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd say 4th in total yards and 4th in yds/gm make him an elite back.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

It's time to cut Betts and Cartwright, then ARE.

Go young, go with speed. Veterans can't think their safe. It will motivate the team.

Posted by: knight1977 | September 1, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Those stats are for last year by the way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

While I am at it, Portis should be dumped in a trade. No break away speed. We need a starter that is a game changer.

Forget Landry, we could have had AP.....but diaper wearing uncle Joe G. is so freakin' loyal to his pets we just couldn't do that...and now look at the skins..

Posted by: knight1977 | September 1, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I will never forget Portis a couple of years ago - against the Jaquars I think:

Makes a great block in pass protection, then runs 10 or 15 yards down field after the pass is thrown and makes a great block for Santana Moss, who just caught the pass. Then Portis sprints down the field after Santana and when Moss slows up to avoid a tackle, Portis makes a pancake block to spring Moss into the end zone.

Dude ran over 50 yards and made 3 key blocks in one play. He's all heart - other backs would've quit after the pass was thrown.

If there is a critical play, I want him on the field.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Betts isn't going anywhere. However, do we think they keep 8 LB's and 9 DL????? We need to replace Rock as much as I hate reading it after I write it. He's 30 this year and not a viable option in the backfield. We need change of pace for all of the West Coast Screens that we need to run. Betts can only be so good in that role and he's already 30. We have to make a play for Aldridge and/or Mason for the purpose of speed/youth!!!!! You make up for that spot by cutting Rock. If you don't cut him, dump Wynn ( which should happen anyways ) and carry 4 RB's.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 1, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Lost all credibility k1977. We gave Gibbs everything he wanted because he brought us the only Superbowls this team has. He got all the leeway he wanted. Sh!t, no one since came close.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

CLEGG, you are so right about 9 DL and 8 LBs, that is overkill on those 2 positions - especially when 2 of the guys are hybrids who play both.

There is room on the roster to keep a 4th RB, lots of teams do. The question is whether Mason, Dorsey, or Aldridge are good enough to supplant another player. I think Mason is, but really, is it worth putting him on the roster since he probably won't play much?

If you think he takes a bigger role in 2009 or 2010, then yes, definitely keep him. If you think he is not good enough to eventually be a #1 back, then there is no sense in keeping him - he'll just be buried on the roster and he is not going to be a Special Teams standout. Running backs are not that hard to find, so if he does not have #1 potential - keep a player at another position who can play on Teams or return punts.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 1, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I made the same mistake, and TE corrected me, so don't jump from a bridge over this.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

I didn't realize jumping off a bridge was one of the options after being corrected by TE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse


Lost all credibility k1977. We gave Gibbs everything he wanted because he brought us the only Superbowls this team has. He got all the leeway he wanted. Sh!t, no one since came close.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 8:35 PM |

He sucked the second time around. You are a BLEEPING IDIOT if you don't recognize this...

Posted by: knight1977 | September 1, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

He sucked the second time around. You are a BLEEPING IDIOT if you don't recognize this...

Posted by: knight1977 | September 1, 2009 8:46 PM

That doesn't mean that you should sling mud at the all time greatest coach in Redskins history or call me names for luvin the guy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

...and oh by the way he took us to the playoffs twice in his second stay, something no other coach did since he left the first time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes next year we should draft an OT and a good RB to replace him eventually, but give CP the respect he deserves.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 1, 2009 7:53 PM |

Say what?

He disses Riggens TWICE, his own line TWICE and we're supposed to give him the respect "he deserves"? I thought we did - he's put up great numbers and is a demon blocking, but he's got no class and he needs to shut up about legends and fellow players.

Not cool calling his own out in front of the media like that. Still a team sport last time I checked.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion Clinton Portis is the most overrated player on this team...

This team has overcommitted to him starting with Joe Gibbs. If Portis doesn't play the number of snaps he thinks is acceptable he whines. Most teams that WIN have a true two or three back system, but I guess we have to ask Portis' permission.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 1, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"....a good RB to replace him eventually, but give CP the respect he deserves."

Nobody is disrespecting Clinton Portis.

It's just wise to think ahead.

Portis can't pay forever.

If the skins drafted, say, CJ Spiller next year, and he's a player, he ascends in 2011 while CP's contract comes to its end.

CP is the king. But you have to draft the new king when one comes along.

And CJ Spiller is a balla.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize jumping off a bridge was one of the options after being corrected by TE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2009 8:40 PM

It is only an option. It is not mandatory. I don't even recommend it. Just consider it and if it works for you then, well...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Before we go too far down the CP bashing road, let's remember he busts his azz out there and has put up some very respectable numbers. I'm just saying he's got no place shooting off his mouth like he does.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Ricky,

He was the #4 back in the league last year. He still is a top tier back but does lack the homerun hit, but he's steady eddy..

However, we need youth in the back field and more importantly, change of pace. I don't think it has to be a #1 back. Ask Derrick Ward what being a #1 back feels like now as he's getting pounded in Tampa.
Joe Washington made a career out of being a change of pace back... so can a Mason and Aldridge w/out any hopes of being #1.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 1, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"If there is a critical play, I want him (Portis) on the field."

So who makes the breakaway 40 yards touchdown run you occasionally need when the critical play isn't there?

Mr. Portis is a grinder, but not a speed guy anymore.

That's why Mason deserves to be the change 'o pace back--the guy might bust one or two long runs a game just because of his speed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm on the Marcus Mason bandwagon this year but according to this Mason isn't the fastest 40 time guy. He may not be the "speed" back most think he is. It says he runs a 4.65 40.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=9805&draftyear=2007&genpos=RB

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I like CP, I just think he's a whiner. He's supposed to bust is azz, but he throws that in people's faces when it's convenient...like that entitles him to some slack.

It's funny how you act when you have guarunteed money and no one behind you to push you. Betts was never a threat to Portis, so of course he's fine with him.

But let us have a young stud RB...

BTW...Riggins has no room to judge Portis. Riggins has a Super Bowl ring but with that O-line he had, it was a no-brainer.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 1, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW...Riggins has no room to judge Portis. Riggins has a Super Bowl ring but with that O-line he had, it was a no-brainer.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 1, 2009 9:13 PM |

Riggins was a beast.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"Mason isn't the fastest 40 time guy...he runs a 4.65 40."


Jerry Rice was a 'speed guy' either as I remember he ran a 4.6 as well.

But he knew when to make his move.

Watch any of Mason's runs, and you see a small back who follows his blockers, and then takes off when there's daylight.

In other words, a good football player doesn't have to have all out speed. He must have the patience and knowledge to know when to make the right move.

The question is, could the skins' offense use a back who gets 6-7 carries a game (on screens, draws, sweep, quick tosses) to spell Portis while adding a little quickness?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"But let us have a young stud RB..."

This takes us back to CJ Spiller.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I get that Moe I was just referring to the fact that people think he's a "speed" back. Like I said, I'm on the bandwagon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Aldridge > Mason. We're talking about a guy to take 5 snaps a game, looking for a home run.

Posted by: dc-nc | September 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

...oh, and the answer to your question Moe is yes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

clinton portis had some interesting/dumb comments

http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/landing_09/?blockID=72592&feedID=2992

Posted by: nattylite88 | September 1, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Riggins was a BEAST who practiced when he wanted and held out a full season.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 1, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

There's always been great players that were prima donnas and there always will be. It doesn't make them less of a great PLAYER it just makes them less of a good PERSON.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Portis is fun to watch. Beyond that, I cannot say.
Riggins was fun to watch. Not fun to listen to at this point. Painful is the word that comes to mind.

I think the biggest issue I have with the RB corps is that Rock is taking up the scat-back RB slot but isn't that type of player. When you think of why he's irreplaceable, it's because he's the Teams captain and KR, which is almost as specialized as Long Snapper. If you think of the roster as having four specialists (P, K, LS and KR) and two RBs, that's where I think our problem lies...

Posted by: daggar | September 1, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I will be glad when Colt makes the team as #3 and all you Colt haters shut up!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | September 1, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Rome is burning, cuz NERO SET IT ON FIRE, real estate agent par excellence..All those ex-Blackwater Seals runnin' around, slicker than flamin' owl snot, they are..Not sayin' Obama, but that covert ops Repub Schwarzenegger is Guv..9-11 : Remember Trust??

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"that O-line he had, it was a no-brainer.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 1, 2009"

Superbowl RINGS plural. Playoffs with TWO TEAMS and THREE COACHES. He had the old GA line with Pardee when he plastered Dallas in that last playoff game (they still lost because of the defense). He put everything he had into that game and they still lost. That's why he quit for a year. Oh and put an MVP by his name.

Portis? Doesn't measure up ... except he has a lot of yards and a big mouth. When its playoff time? Oh, my line sucks ... and I'm injured ... and ... and mouth keeps getting bigger every year I play.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Nero hit us on 911?

It all makes sense now!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 1, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"Riggins was a BEAST who practiced when he wanted and held out a full season.

Posted by: rickyroge

Agreed Sicky-Ric...Love Riggins, but he is mad hypocritical about this issue.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 1, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Portis the Tortoise.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You cattle that need the Daddy, I HAVE NO HOPE, the giant army ants eat up reality outside my sequestered, boarded window, the occasional escaped lab rat, just want to watch the Redskins and drink some beer, the army ants eating innocent children, those who dare stray from the norm, they'll eat me soon enough, I hear the high-pitched "Them" screeching (the fan), maybe I can take a couple out (looking out the curtain)..f'em..

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Portis hears a Who and its John Riggins.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

We definitely need to draft a running back next year. Thats after we draft OL first.

Posted by: TheJury | September 1, 2009 7:19 PM

You are so lost in time. This week we are doing the roster for 2009. After we have been eliminated from Super Bowl contention, we start worrying about the roster for 2010.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 1, 2009 8:13 PM |

Don't think that the FO hasn't been ruminating about a 2010 QB not named Campbell? You're lost in a time warp of your own.

Posted by: BiggerVance | September 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

What the F is up with the raggin on Riggens? Enough already.

To say he succeeded because of his line is a nice complement to the line but total BS, the running game lagged badly when he was hurt, which wasn't often (I remember him spending a week in the hospital in traction and playing Sunday, then checking back in...). He was so powerful that he could push the entire pile yet he was deceptively fast. Anybody remember that play in the Superbowl...

Roge - he held out for a year? Realy?

He quite, retired, whatever you want to call it. Jack Pardee couldn't coach that team out of a paper bag. He was a good coordinator and a good college coach (credited with the run n shoot offense) but a lousy NFL head coach. Riggens got fed up and walked away.

When Gibbs got hired, he went out and personally asked him to return, and he agreed. Remember - "I'm broke and I'm bored"?

I'd take Riggens any day.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

When Riggins asked for the ball he led a team to the Superbowl.

When Portis hears a Who asks for the ball he averages 3.2 yds per carry with 2 TDs. Not even a playoff game.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Tryon looks absolutely awful so far, but that's a heckuva endorsement from The Man. And, he brings some decent credentials from college (2nd team All-Pac-10 in 2007). I'm not ready to see him go yet.

Let's see how he does against the Jags.

Posted by: Alan4 |

Did u only see the Ravens game--when he stunk up the joint? He wasn't bad in the other two, something D. Green may have noticed.

He's no Tor...nevermind.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Tryon was awful against Baltimore, solid against Pitt, and actually quite good against New England (on both defense and special teams). I'm increasingly becoming convinced he has the talent -- just needs to become consistent with it.

Posted by: psps23 | September 1, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I ordered a cheeseburger at lunch, but the flingin' flangin' deli only makes burgers after 3pm. ...

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Best line EVER about lunch food was uttered by Artie (Rip Torn) on "The Larry Sanders Show."

When Larry (Garry Shandling) asked if they were going out or staying in for lunch, his producer Artie said:

"I already ate. I had me a ham and bourbon sammich."

Artie also had the BEST LINE ever about good booze, when a Russian janitor he invited in for a drink of his Glenfiddich asked if the liquor he was about to drink was any good.

Said Artie: "Let me put it this way. When you die and go to heaven, it's what you will smell on God's breath."

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Alex ---

Red Snapper is one of the best LS in the league. Can we just leave our potential Pro-Bowlers alone? I think you're reading too much into his Madden score

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha

Snapper, holder, kicker. It's how field goals are made.

NO ONe has more pressure on him in a Redskin uni than RS. ONE bas snap and he's likely gone. That's the life of the snapper. Pitchers can wild pitch, QB's can throw interceptions, hoopsters mis critical free throws. LS gets one bad one.

He's NEVER had a bad one.

By the way, ol' 67 is pretty good getting down the field on punts, too.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Said Artie: "Let me put it this way. When you die and go to heaven, it's what you will smell on God's breath."

Posted by: TheCork

Yeah, but sitting on the can, Jack Daniels and eggs liquor t*rds are against the Geneva Convention..Throw in a PBR, and it's thermonuclear!!

Posted by: frak | September 1, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

except he has a lot of yards and a big mouth. ...
Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2009 10:09 PM
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That makes you and CP exactly alike, peri.

Except for the lot of yards part.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 1, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

That makes you and CP exactly alike, peri.

Except for the lot of yards part.


Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 1, 2009

Look who's talking pencil head.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

What's up with London Fletcher!!!

Posted by: BMACattack | September 2, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I was wondering what was up with London the first presea-game. It seemed like he had lost a step and a few tackles slipped away from him. I saw this and said we are in trouble this year. If there is one thing you always see on NFL films is historically my skins missing tackles. Fortunately, London has looked more like himself since that first game. Now we hear he is getting a foot injection. That may explain the previous showing and just as well may signal future ploblems at MLB. Our scouts and FO better be doing their job when the final cuts come because there is talent out there that could help us in positions of strength as well as weakness. The better run franchises with real scouts will be on it like the scavengers on Sarah Palin's helicopter kills. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | September 2, 2009 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, when I first heard about Haynesworth's "stomach problems", I thought he had the runs. What the hell "stomach problem" lasts a whole week?

He must've eaten at Five Guys...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 5:36 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I'm glad to see the team put Chase Daniel out there...I'd like for him to distinguish himself as the #3 QB and maybe make a move to #2 eventually. He appears to have the tools to be a good QB and I hope he gets the chance to prove it here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Wow...from PFT:

'Skins sold seats directly to scalpers
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2009 10:50 PM ET
In what could be merely the first example of a trend that many NFL fans have suspected for the past few years, the Washington Redskins admit that "thousands" of general admission tickets were sold in 2008 directly to brokers, who then resold the tickets on the "secondary market" (which of course is a fancy business school term for "they scalped them")

According to the Washington Post, Redskins general counsel David Donovan said that the sales to brokers were discovered earlier this year, as part of an internal audit of the 2008 ticket contracts. Roughly 15 brokering companies were involved.

Donovan said that the employees responsible for the sales have been disciplined.

"Somebody in the ticket office was doing something they shouldn't have been doing, and when it was discovered, it was all dealt with," Redskins Senior Vice President Karl Swanson told the Post. "If the story is, this is a scandal, uncovered by Redskins, verified by the Post, or whatever, yeah, we're telling you: People got tickets who shouldn't have gotten tickets, and they were dealt with."

Some Redskins ticket office employees also reportedly were selling tickets directly to fans, via StubHub, at higher than face value.

Though it appears that the behavior was not condoned by the team (instead, owner Daniel Snyder reportedly was "livid" when he learned of the activity), the mere fact that it happened will continue to fuel suspicions that other NFL teams are engaged in similar behavior, either deliberately or via rogue employees who are using the secondary market as a way to generate supplemental income.

All too often, we've heard accounts of single-game tickets being sold out the moment that they supposedly became available, with seats simultaneously showing up for sale via the franchise's official "secondary market" partner. Our guess is that more and more investigations into such arrangements are coming, and that not every team will be able to show that the sales occurred without the franchise's knowledge or involvement.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Senior Vice President Karl Swanson told the Post. "If the story is, this is a scandal, uncovered by Redskins, verified by the Post, or whatever, yeah, we're telling you: People got tickets who shouldn't have gotten tickets, and they were dealt with."

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 5:58 AM

This would have sounded a lot better if the Redskins had announced it instead of having it disclosed by the Washington Post. Someone else at the Redskins, the guy in charge of public relations, should now be "dealt with." Maybe they can ship him off to NFL.com.

Post 1, Redskins 0.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

This would have sounded a lot better if the Redskins had announced it instead of having it disclosed by the Washington Post. Someone else at the Redskins, the guy in charge of public relations, should now be "dealt with." Maybe they can ship him off to NFL.com.

Post 1, Redskins 0.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:26 AM

Agreed. However, I thought the Skins and the Post stopped keeping score after JLC left?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

However, I thought the Skins and the Post stopped keeping score after JLC left?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 6:50 AM

Cork will deal with you later, on his next drive-by.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

This would have sounded a lot better if the Redskins had announced it instead of having it disclosed by the Washington Post. Someone else at the Redskins, the guy in charge of public relations, should now be "dealt with." Maybe they can ship him off to NFL.com.

Post 1, Redskins 0.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:26 AM

Agreed. However, I thought the Skins and the Post stopped keeping score after JLC left?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

JLC was credited as contributing to the article....at the bottom

Posted by: BigDeck | September 2, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Man, I skip a day on RI and mofos let perineum among others cry about Portis..wtf

perineum, jus stick to talkin 'bout the O-line or Dan Synder, you buzzkill! I wonder if you are this pessimistic/cynical toward the Democratic Party, or your friends and family, or any fast food joint or any other organization you claim to be a fan of; you sound as clueless as a Ursuline school girl!

when did our running game become a concern?

Clinton still has breakaway speed, but you need WRs blocking down field for RB's to turn 20 yard gainers(which Clinton led in the NFL) into TDs. Plus the defense keys on Portis!

Posted by: Vicc | September 2, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Anyone catch the 2003 Tostito's Something Bowl last night on ESPN Classic?? Wow, wow, wow, that Miami team was STACKED...Unbelievable how much talent on one squad. On offense, Winslow, Andre Johnson, Willis McGahee, on D, ST, Rocky Mac, DJ Williams, J. Vilma, V. Wilfork, A. Rolle, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple of guys.....amazing squad.

scalping tix....I really couldn't care less....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

scalping tix....I really couldn't care less....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:02 AM

Oh, really? What if I told you that the guy who made all the money as the middle man was Antonio Pierce? How do you feel about it now?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

whoa..whoa...whoa...that is COMPLETELY a different story, TE, and you KNOW it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

JLC contributed to the article? Cue The Sourcerer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis was unable to read the negative comments. He's at an early fitting for his HOF jacket.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

whoa..whoa...whoa...that is COMPLETELY a different story, TE, and you KNOW it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:12 AM |

The AP connection will come out. He's the one that picked up the gun that Leigh Torrence (aka The Ticketmaster) used in this crime.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis was unable to read the negative comments...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 8:20 AM

...he went to the University of Miami.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Found this little blip this morning on Fox Sports. It was in an article that says 10 trades that should happen now. I may be inclined to agree.

"5. DT Anthony Montgomery to the Panthers: Ever since the Panthers lost mountain man Maake Kemoeatu at defensive tackle, GM Marty Hurney has been looking for a big replacement. Washington's Montgomery is 6-foot-6, 320 pounds and very unhappy about being demoted from the starting lineup with the arrival of Albert Haynesworth."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis was unable to read the negative comments. He's at an early fitting for his HOF jacket.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 8:20 AM

I hope the HOF you typed isn't for Hall of Fame, because I'm not so sure he's going there without paying the admission fee...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Found this little blip this morning on Fox Sports. It was in an article that says 10 trades that should happen now. I may be inclined to agree.

"5. DT Anthony Montgomery to the Panthers: Ever since the Panthers lost mountain man Maake Kemoeatu at defensive tackle, GM Marty Hurney has been looking for a big replacement. Washington's Montgomery is 6-foot-6, 320 pounds and very unhappy about being demoted from the starting lineup with the arrival of Albert Haynesworth."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 8:27 AM

You're a tad late on that one scamp...the Panthers already swung a deal with Cleveland for some no-name guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I think that was posted either yesterday, or Monday, and my reaction then and now is, since when is AM unhappy and since when was he a starter? He's got all the talent in the world, but there seems to be a lack of 'want to' on AM's part. Sure, we'll trade him to the Panthers, but for Jordan Gross, Peppers, and their 1st round pick.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I hope the HOF you typed isn't for Hall of Fame, because I'm not so sure he's going there without paying the admission fee...

Posted by: brownwood26

I know this could take some time, but...wanna bet?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 2, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

ohhhh. Takin' shots at the U.

We ain't Ivy League, but we're a helluva lot better than most of the other 'big-time' programs feeding the NFL.

I believe if you look at the #'s, the U consistently performed well in their athelete's academic performance. I think after Ericson's troubles, they really wratcheted down.

...the music school, well, that's a different story... hahahahahaha.

And taking shots at Portis is just plain stupid. Go root for the CowPatties or the Ginas then...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

You're a tad late on that one scamp...the Panthers already swung a deal with Cleveland for some no-name guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 8:30 AM |

Oh well, that's what I get for thinkin'

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

...and how about that new fangled Jello brand gelatin. It sure looks tasty, I'm gonna have to try some when it gets to this area.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

ds, gotta agree with you there, portis while not only the LEAST of the teams problems, is probably their hardest worker when the games count. Finding fault with him just seems foolish.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

beeples

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

scamp thats funny...oh and beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Portis is top 5 ALL-TIME in yards from scrimage. That sounds HOF to me...

Add a championship and he's a lock.

The ticket thing doesn't surprise me - and technically, I don't see the problem. Why can't the lousy owner sell tickets to whoever he wants to? Isn't it all about the $$ to them anyway? Why else sue a fan for what they're going to resell anyway?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Consider how little Portis has shown so far this year..he should play at least a half.
I think he is slower getting to the hole than Mason, Alridge, and the other young guy.
Betts shows me nothing. He had a good year after CP got hurt in 07..but he got the big contract..and done nothing since.
This team need speed at the skilled offense positions..period. Washington does not scare opposing defenses. Philly..having Vick to bring in..scares defenses. New England has Randy Moss..who scares defenses..you get the idea.
Opposing defenses can put 8 in the box..because the receivers do not present a break-a-way threat except for Moss..and he gets doubled a lot.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | September 2, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I know this could take some time, but...wanna bet?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 8:32 AM

I don't feel THAT strongly about it, but I just don't see him getting in. Seems like any back with durability gets 10,000 yards so that won't get him in, and his TD totals aren't anything to write home about. Plus he's never gotten past the divisional round of the playoffs, much less win a Super Bowl. So if he gets us into the Super Bowl, MAYBE. But I see him being in the conversation but ultimately being left in the cold.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Blazer,
You don't work out your starting RB too much in pre-season. Why let them get beat up?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

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