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Here's What Happened / Here's What I Think

The end of a long losing streak, the best offensive performance of the season and another bad experience for cornerback Carlos Rogers -- the Redskins sure keep things interesting. It all has me fired up for another installment of Here's What Happened/Here's What I Think.

Here's what happened: During his regular weekly spot today on ESPN 980's "The John Thompson Show," top running back Clinton Portis - who sat out Sunday's 27-17 victory over the Denver Broncos after suffering a concussion a week earlier - said he's going to "play it safe, and I've got to do what's best for me." Portis also revealed his vision still is "blurry" and his head feels "heavy" at times.

Here's what I think: Portis sure didn't sound like a guy who plans to be in the lineup Sunday against Dallas at the new Cowboys Stadium. Philadelphia Eagles all-pro running back Brian Westbrook has suffered two concussions in four weeks, and Portis acknowledged he is proceeding cautiously, at least in part, because of Westbrook's situation.

"Of course," Portis said. "You've got to acknowledge that. But at the same time, me and Westbrook different people."

Portis's health should be his top concern, and given the seriousness of concussions, he should take as much time as he feels he needs regardless of what anyone else thinks. And although the Redskins (3-6) ended a losing streak at four games, they're still in last place in the NFC East, and likely won't make the playoffs. So now is not the time for heroics.

Here's what happened: No. 2 back Ladell Betts followed his blockers well, hit the correct holes and broke tackles while rushing for a season-high 114 yards and a touchdown in leading the Redskins to Sunday's win. Since Portis suffered a concussion early in the Week 9 loss to the Atlanta Falcons, Betts has gained 184 yards on 41 rushes (a 4.49-yard average) and scored two touchdowns.

Although Betts has run with a burst Portis rarely displayed in his previous 16 games, Portis will return to the top of the depth chart when he is ready to play, Coach Jim Zorn said. On Thompson's show, Portis said he would be willing to share the load with Betts.

"To be able to use us together would be even better," Portis said. "I'm not a selfish guy. I'm not being selfish and, 'Oh, give me the ball, give me the ball, give me the ball.' If Ladell is going to help us win, it don't matter to me, man, I'm all for it. But as far as me losing my starting position, I doubt that."

Here's what I think: Well, that's big of him. Look, I totally buy into the notion of guys not losing their jobs because of injuries. But Portis simply hasn't been very effective this season, certainly not as effective as Betts has been in the past seven quarters.

Perhaps practice really does make a difference. The hard-working Betts isn't among the league's fastest or most talented backs, but the guy plays hard each day in practice and is a consummate professional.

Betts gets a ton of first-team reps in practice because Portis rarely does that type of thing during the week. I'm not allowed to watch practice, but that's what players tell me. So while Portis often takes time off, Betts is running plays and getting in sync with the offensive line.

Obviously, Portis has been an upper-echelon back in this league for a long time doing things his way. But this season he hasn't been the same runner he was in 2008, which isn't surprising, considering the stage he's at in his career.

The Redskins at one point made the highly unusual move of carrying five backs on the 53-man roster, in large part because Portis wasn't providing what the team needed through the first seven-plus games. The coaching staff rewarded Betts -- and in the process sent a not-so-subtle message to Portis -- in naming Betts the third-down back at the beginning of the season.

Of course, there's only so much the coaching staff could do with Portis. He enjoys a close relationship with owner Daniel Snyder and is owed a whole lot of money. It was one thing for Zorn to reduce Portis's role on third downs; starting the season with a true two-back system would have been quite another. But what does Zorn have to lose now? If Portis returns and Betts continues to be more productive, even with fewer carries, then Zorn should go with the guy who could most help the team win.

Here's what happened: With veteran Levi Jones making his first start at left tackle, the Redskins produced season highs in net yards (388) and rushing yards (174). Quarterback Jason Campbell was sacked just three times.

Here's what I think: Zorn has taken a lot of heat this season -- for some things that were his fault and many that weren't. But give the guy credit for recognizing he had to make adjustments in an effort to reduce the intense pass rush on Campbell.

The Redskins aren't running many long-developing patterns these days. They try to take deep shots every now and then with top wideout Santana Moss (Campbell hasn't been in sync with Moss this season), but Zorn, for the most part, has avoided installing plays that feature many seven-step drops.

As for the running game, having Betts in the starting lineup and Rock Cartwright in the No. 2 role has given the team two backs who are breaking tackles and, again, showing that burst. Despite the solid performance Sunday, Washington's line still needs a major overhaul.

Here's what happened: Cornerback Carlos Rogers is benched after being burned by Brandon Marshall in the first quarter on a double move that resulted in a 40-yard touchdown. Philadelphia's DeSean Jackson also recently burned Rogers for a 57-yard touchdown on a double move.

Here's what I think: Apparently, Rogers needs to work on covering double moves. The outspoken Rogers acknowledged after the game he understood why he was benched -- but the reason doesn't matter.

The team's first first-round draft pick in the 2005 draft (Washington also selected Campbell in the first round that year) has felt slighted throughout his career with the Redskins, which could end soon. Rogers is a restricted free agent after the season, and he might benefit from a change in scenery.

There's no question Rogers has ability, and he showed a lot in making it back after suffering a severe knee injury during the 2007 season, but his lack of interceptions has been a source of frustration in the building. The Redskins guaranteed DeAngelo Hall $23.5 million in the offseason because he gets a lot of interceptions, which is what it's all about for cornerbacks.

Fred Smoot isn't the long-term answer opposite Hall. Second-year player Justin Tryon has shown promise in the slot but struggled while covering outside receivers. So in addition to all their other needs, the Redskins also could be in the market for a starting cornerback, too.

Here's what happened: Albert Haynesworth's mother, Linda, called Zorn to give him a midweek pep talk before the Redskins faced the Broncos, encouraging Zorn to "tell your buddies, if you go out there and just have fun, don't worry about winning or losing, just go out have fun, it'll be okay," Zorn said.

Here's what I think: I wonder if Snyder will consider adding Haynesworth's mom as a consultant.

By Jason Reid  |  November 17, 2009; 6:31 PM ET
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Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

FF Update

SPLATTTTTTT. Road Kill. Carnage.

That's what you were if you were either at the top of the Hamsters league or at the top of the AFC West.

League leader Suzanne saw her Trippin' Billies (7-3) crumble in Sunday Night at the hands of Tom Brady and the Kookaid Kids (3-7), 87-67.

Tied for the league lead with the Billies, my Cal Salmon (7-3) team laid an egg. While the Realskins (6-4) weren't very good either, they got a key win to pull within a game of first. In Realskins 74-66 win, all but one of his players had between 7 and 11 points.

Zornskins (6-4), all alone in 3rd place and just one game behind the leaders going into the weekend, completed the trio of roadkill. His 3 game win streak was snapped by Dealer (5-5) who snapped his 4 game losing streak in the 72-68 win. Dealer had no kicker or defense playing this week (and how hard is it to pick up a kicker?), but his defense still was better than Zornskins Falcon's, who had -2 points.

The F Bombers (5-5) dominated the Stweengs (4-6), behind big games from Steven Jackson, Jamaal Charles and Reggie Wayne. 118-50 was the final. Of note, Stweengs bench had a stunning 82 points.

Copro (6-4), the leagues highest scoring team, looked vulnerable late into Sunday afternoon, even with 37 from Chris Johnson. But when Kurt Warner played well late and then Randy Moss cleaned up on Sunday night, a close match turned into a blowout. Alpa Chino (3-7) was simply overmatched, 105-81.

E Funk (6-4) rode 25 points from Peyton to a 74-52 win over Butz (2-8). The loss likely eliminated Butz from a shot at the playoffs.

With 6 playoff slots, however, most teams are still very much alive, with this week's collapse of the league leaders opening the door. 8 teams are within 2 games of the lead. The Billies and Cal Salmon still lead with 7-3 records. At 6-4, Zornskins, CoPro, Realskins and E Funk are close behind. The group at 5-5 includes the F Bombers and Dealer. At 4-6, Stweengs needs to win 2 of 3 to have shot, while 3 straight wins to close the regular season likely gets him into the playoffs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Over in the Peeps league, sanity prevailed for the most part.

The biggest upset came in a battle of league leaders, with the Jackalopes (7-3) win over the high scoring Fins (6-4). Leading the Jackalopes to the 85-68 win was Steven Jackson, whose 24 points neutralized another big game from Adrian Peterson.

In another key matchup, Tampa (6-4) crushed the Zombie Hord (5-5). Sidney Rice's 24 and Frank Gore's 19 led Tampa in the 110-51 victory.

The two other league leaders both won, with the Buffaloes (7-3) topping the Skulls (3-7). Randy Moss led the 113-78 win.

My Futaleufu Swimmers (7-3) squad topped the Shaft (4-6), with Chris Johnson's 37 points leading the way, 133-54.

In a game with 2 teams fighting to get to the playoffs, Future Winners (5-5) topped the Steers (4-6). The game was low scoring, as many good players had shockingly poor games. Aaron Rodgers led the Winners in the 55-38 win.

The highest scoring game took place between two teams at the bottom of the the tightly packed league, with 4-12 (4-6) topping Nate (3-7) with a 116-99 victory. 4-12 had 4 players with over 20 points, led by Brandon Marshall's 28. It was enough to hold off the the Sunday night rally by Nate's trio of Manning, Wayne and Addai, who combined for 69 points.

With 3 games left in the 13 game season, the trio at the top includes the Futaleufu Swimmers, the Buffaloes and the Jackalopes, all at 7-3. Closely behind are the Florida duo, the Fins and Tampa's at 6-4. With 6 playoff slots, the teams at 5-5, Future and the Zombie Hord, are in the think of the playoff race, with the 4-6 teams, Steers, the Shaft and 4-12, just one game out of a playoff slot. Nate and the Skulls, both at 3-7, have a chance to make the playoffs, if they can win out.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has taken a lot of heat this season -- for some things that were his fault and many that weren't. But give the guy credit for recognizing he had to make adjustments in an effort to reduce the intense pass rush on Campbell.

The Redskins aren't running many long-developing patterns these days. They try to take deep shots every now and then with top wideout Santana Moss (Campbell hasn't been in sync with Moss this season), but Zorn, for the most part, has avoided installing plays that feature many seven-step drops.

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What I think happened is that Sherm Lewis has included plays that work into the game plan and that there is no longer a "script" of plays that are run. The game planning has started to take into account the weaknesses of the other teams and the game calling is attacking the defense which was never done prior to zorn losing those duties.

Watch zorn on the sideline, it really looks like it is not his game plan and he is not happy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't think players should lose their job because of injuries but when Portis comes back, and is ineffective, I don't think Zorn should waste any time in using the hook. Zorn seems slow to react to these kinds of things so he needs to be uncharacterically fast in resolving this issue. I have a feeling the team is sick of Portis. Guys won't block for him like they will for Betts. They recognize a prima donna who skates out of practice way too often and they helped make a statement on Sunday.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I won't pretend to know what is on Zorn and what is on Portis. But the differences that have happened since Betts took over for Portis and Lewis took over for Zorn are pretty black and white.

Assist to Levi Jones, who was seen pushing Broncos out of the way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think, Blache has finally tired of seeing Rogers fall for the double move. Carlos was not benched for the 1st TD in the Denver game, but that was the proverbial straw. Add to that the fact that Los does not make any big plays and it's easy to see why he was playing catch w/JC for the remainder of the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

i think you already said it all when you said, "this is a last place team unlikely to make the playoffs". Its still a last place team and a veritable circus. So, the show must go on without its headliner and it will. And he'll still get paid. A lot more than any other running back in the league.

Posted by: periculum | November 17, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Much has been made about the success of the running game - both the line play and L. Betts - and correctly so, BUT hasn't anyone noticed that we went to multiple two TE sets? Perhaps that is the primary reason for the success. The defense has to take into account for an additional blocker and the running back benefits.

By the way it is not a bad game plan and should be used again against the Cowboys 3-4 defense.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 17, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

There is definitely a script. Zorn follows along with it on the sideline.

Why the hell is Carlos jumping on the first move anyway? It's not like he'll make a play on the ball. 5th year and still making the same mistakes and all the while never showing the attitude that he could've done somethingelse.

On the other hand it would be nice if D. Hall could tackle like Los.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 17, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

There may be a script, but it does not seem like they follow it, but call plays based on what the D is giving.

Instead of not being able to get to "my 15th scripted play till the 3rd qtr" that zorn uses.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

J Reid,

It ain't Zorn making the game plan changes and getting the offense into plays with a greater chance for success. Yeah, he's the HC and he is in the room when its developed, but the offensive improvement ties DIRECTLY to the arrival of one Sherman Lewis.

Before his arrival, Zorn continued to stubbornly protest that his anemic plans and play calls "were designed to work". The credit for the improvement in play calling belongs at the feet of the so called bingo caller, not Zorn.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 17, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Agreed.

Considering that Zorn was stripped of primary play-calling duties, how is he the one getting kudos for the play-calls??

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Ben, I agree with the 2 TE formation being used to help block. Really helped on the backside pursuit. It seems like the blocking scheme has been changed and is giving JC more time (at times) and helping the run game.

These are changes that zorn did not seem to want to make when he was running things. I really feel that these changes were implemented based on Sherm's original reason for being here- another set of eyes.

The offense seems to be using the strength of the players more so than before Sherm was hired.

At least to these eyes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rogers

Carlos Rogers has played like a legit top NFL corner one time for a 7 game stretch of his career.

That's it.

I don't know why people are oogling over his "ability". He's weaknesses are unforgiveable at the CB position.

He's a pretty good tackler for a corner, but he has a penchant for giving up long-bombs and getting beat deep. And to top it off, he doesn't turn big plays for you. How do you live with a guy like that on your team?

You don't.


Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Once CP is healthy, let's see this two headed monster."

A two-headed monster running back attack implies that each guy brings something different on the field.

Thing is, Betts does that all by himself.

He's a fine screen back, check down back, runs behind his blockers well, and can run a variety of plays.

Portis?: he runs the 'stretch' play poorly, rarely practices, blocks rushing linebackers, and takes himself off the field whenever he's feels like it.

There's no choice there.

Start Betts--and oh, he and Rock Cartwright make a fine two-headed running back attack.

I'd like to see more of that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

PORTIS POCKET'S STRAIGHT,CARLOS.......... NOT SO MUCH LMAO,Can they make the playoff's? Naw, loses to the Falcon's and Panthers kill the head to head scenario's so whose gonna coach them next year,Greg Williams,Russ Grimm,Jason Garrett,Linda Haynesworth(my bad).Need to beat the girl's.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 17, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Might as well play both tight ends. They seem to be more effective at catching the ball ... if you include Sellers ... they were, by far, the largest part of the passing offense.

Posted by: periculum | November 17, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis should sit 4 games at minimum, the risk is not worth it. I would say that if we were in first place and he was having a career year. It is not worth it.

Young man with a lot to live for beyond football. Theses players should be symptom free for two weeks before they participate in game situations. NFL has had no problem laying down the law in behavior issues they need to step up to the plat and come up with league standards on how to safely deal with players health when it comes to head trauma.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 17, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"Although Betts has run with a burst Portis rarely displayed in his previous 16 games"

you keep saying this, and I haven't seen it. I think you should prove this if you want to keep saying it, ad nauseum.

If you don't know how one would prove it, or can't prove it, THEN STOP SAYING IT!

It's your opinion and there is no fact to support it.

Do your job J Reid, your so critical of other people's jobs, why don't you do your f'in job?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

you know who else didn't have a burst for 14 of the last 16 games - Betts you a hole

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

through 7 games Portis 494 rushing yards
Betts 21 rushing yards

Reid you suck majorly at doing your job, your totally ineffective because you write your unsubstatiated opinion repeatedly

Phoning it in from your computer and your a class A hipocrit P.O.S.

How bout you do your job correctly before you start criticizing others

In football when the whistle blows what happens is real, your words are shi t

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I cannot get over how bland and dull the title of this RI segment is. It makes me want to sleep before I even read it. The creativity index shows a -45 for this.

Posted by: ThisGuy | November 17, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"Although Betts has run with a burst Portis rarely displayed in his previous 16 games"

you keep saying this, and I haven't seen it. I think you should prove this if you want to keep saying it, ad nauseum.

If you don't know how one would prove it, or can't prove it, THEN STOP SAYING IT!

It's your opinion and there is no fact to support it.

Do your job J Reid, your so critical of other people's jobs, why don't you do your f'in job?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse


Look you tool. JReid is a blogger.

His job is to offer his opinion.

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

you know who else didn't have a burst for 14 of the last 16 games - Betts you a hole

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse


Are you Clinton Portis's mom?


Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

" DeAngelo Hall... gets a lot of interceptions, which is what it's all about for cornerbacks."

That is a patently false statement. It's about not allowing receivers to catch passes. And Carlos Rogers is top 5 in that category. DeAngelo Hall is average at best.

http://dclandingstrip.blogspot.com/2009/09/do-redskin-cornerbacks-really-suck_22.html

Posted by: ThisGuy | November 17, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

peri

"Might as well play both tight ends. They seem to be more effective at catching the ball ... if you include Sellers ... they were, by far, the largest part of the passing offense."


I like the use of unbalanced and tight end sets Sherm has come up with.

The idea of using Sellars as a tight end and Yoder as blocking back is golden: that's a slick way to get two very good 'hands' guys on the field to run delay routes underneath.

Another smart thing about it is that the added blocking means two man routes ease Campbell's reads and should increase his effectiveness.

Thing is, does he have it in him to make the throws that break the eight man fronts and tight coverage such formations bring?

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Another smart thing about it is that the added blocking means two man routes ease Campbell's reads and should increase his effectiveness.

MistaMoe

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Could not agree more with this statement. Using a similar game plan to what was implemented last week allows JC to manage the game instead of having to try to win the game, is a much better use of JC's ability.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse


" DeAngelo Hall... gets a lot of interceptions, which is what it's all about for cornerbacks."

That is a patently false statement. It's about not allowing receivers to catch passes. And Carlos Rogers is top 5 in that category. DeAngelo Hall is average at best.

http://dclandingstrip.blogspot.com/2009/09/do-redskin-cornerbacks-really-suck_22.html

Posted by: ThisGuy | November 17, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse


How about breaking it down to the simplest base element of defense.

It's all about "not allowing your opponent to score".

Now let's simply calculate how many TDs Hall has given up this year vs. how many TDs Rogers has given up this year.


Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

curzon417

"...allows JC to manage the game instead of having to try to win the game, is a much better use of JC's ability."


And being a confident game manager's not a bad thing, you know.

I think we've all gotten a little jealous watching teams with quarterbacks posing as gunslingers not realizing such players are the exception an not the rule.

Campbell at his best should be in the middle ground between the gunslinger and the manager: after all, with a stout defense and balla running game, that's just where he needs to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Jim Brown spills the beans on Holmgren
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2009 8:08 PM ET
And here's more evidence why the Browns shouldn't give former players positions of influence in the organization.

Though we have immense respect for Jim Brown's on-field accomplishments, he tends to be a little loose in the lips when it comes to exercising discretion. The most recent example? He let the cat out of the bag today regarding the pursuit of former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren by Browns owner Randy Lerner.

"At this moment, right now Randy Lerner is meeting with one of the great football minds in this country," Brown said at a Tuesday luncheon. "And if things work out, that person will come in to run the football side of the Browns."

Brown would not disclose the name of the person, but when asked if the person was Holmgren, Brown said, "You said it . . . and I heard it."

But if Lerner isn't also interviewing a minority candidate, he could have a problem. Earlier this year, NFL owners extended the Rooney Rule to executive-level front-office positions.

"This policy specifically requires clubs to interview at least one minority candidate as part of the hiring process for a club's senior football operations position, whether described as general manager, executive vice president of football operations, or otherwise," the league said in a release.

So if Lerner is, as widely reported, looking for a "football czar," he'll apparently need to conduct a search that includes a face-to-face interview with at least one minority candidate.

Then there's the question of whether a Rooney Rule-compliant search must be conducted now for an interim czar-type job and then again after the season ends for the permanent hire. This specific approach applies to hiring coaches; there's no reason to think it doesn't also apply to the senior football operations job.

We assume that Lerner is conscious of these potential glitches in the process, and that he won't put the cart before the horse. You know, like hiring a coach before hiring a G.M.

Um. Never mind.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Here's What I think......

Since 100 year old Joe Bugel exploded on the O-Line at half time of the Falcons game, they have played much better. JC isn't getting killed either.

"Da Mayor" will take any and every opportunity to slam CP. The O-line has been the difference in the last six quarters more so than Betts. I do feel that Betts should get more touches but CP is still the best back on the roster.

When will "da Mayor" finally admit that Sherm Lewis is doing a much better job at calling the plays than Jim Zorn. Its amazing that he constantly tries to give Zorn and Sherman Smith the credit for the offense playing much better the last few weeks.

I would love for "da mayor" to post some stats on the offense's production pre Sherm Lewis versus now.

Posted by: dcwun | November 17, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

When CP does comes back he and Betts need to switch roles.
Use CP as a 3rd down back, he pass blocks better anyways.

Posted by: jberry73 | November 17, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

No. 2 back Ladell Betts followed his blockers well, hit the correct holes and broke tackles while rushing for a season-high 114 yards and a touchdown in leading the Redskins to Sunday's win.

Thats because there were holes to hit. Usually, its just Mike Williams playing the role of a Matador and Stephon Heyer getting shoved 4 yards into the backfield.

Posted by: dcwun | November 17, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok...D'Angelo Hall can't tackle but he can catch the ball.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 17, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

would love for "da mayor" to post some stats on the offense's production pre Sherm Lewis versus now.

Zorn as playcaller 2009, 6 games = 13.167 pts/gm #29 in NFL
Lewis 2009, 3 games = 20.3 pts/gm, #21 in NFL

Combined record of Zorn's opponents: 14-40
Combined record of Lewis' opponents: 16-11

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Portis is soft! The problems on the field is because you have dudes like that in the locker room.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | November 17, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think players should lose their job because of injuries...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 6:47 PM

I think this "losing his job because of injuries" is a crock. A player should lose his job when there's someone who can do it better. If a guy gets injured and a new man does is better, then the new guy has earned it.

Portis should be number two, behind Betts. We've seen them both, and Betts is better.

Posted by: League-Source | November 17, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Portis is soft! The problems on the field is because you have dudes like that in the locker room.

Posted by: jtrob_1

Hillarious. Ask Brian Dawkins how soft he is.

Posted by: dcwun | November 17, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Portis isn't soft. He has gotten lazy this offseason apparently.

Rogers has been nicknamed double move by many on here for good reason. The guy is disappointing and his comments after the game epitomize classless loser.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | November 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This is silly, Carlos needs an adjustment and should stay in the line up.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 17, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

agree

Posted by: jtrob_1 | November 17, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The guy is disappointing and his comments after the game epitomize classless loser.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | November 17, 2009 9:26 PM

Rogers has enough class -- although not at the level of JC -- and he's not a loser. His comments illustrate how bad things have gotten between him and this coaching staff. There's no goodwill left on either side. He can do better on another team.

He's not an all-pro, but he's a decent starting corner and the skins will have a hard time replacing him.

Posted by: League-Source | November 17, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Carlos needs an adjustment

Do you know of a good chiropractor? I don't know how that will help his hands, but if it works I'm all for it!

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Man, this was lame/boring. JLC definitely irked me sometimes, but he had much more interesting takes. I appreciate the slightly more unbiased approach in covering the team but this blog has become a snooze fest compared to what it used to be IMO.

Posted by: bmd5 | November 17, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

f zorn f this lucky win,this is bad news for the skins,we wont get change with lucky wins,3/13 is the only way out of skins hell

Posted by: DLESMonday | November 17, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Reset-- Soft is a lack of willingness to lead not a physical soft! His mentality is soft. Listen to the interview....Portis is about Portis it is dangerous when you pay a guy with that mentality and give him access to the owner. He is a problem!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | November 17, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

f zorn f this lucky win,this is bad news for the skins,we wont get change with lucky wins,3/13 is the only way out of skins hell

Posted by: DLESMonday

You can have your 3-13 record with any other team but the Skins. F Dallas! I want a win!

Posted by: dcwun | November 17, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"...this lucky win,this is bad news for the skins,we won't get change with lucky wins,3/13 is the only way out of skins hell..."


I thought the allegedly 'lucky win' was the change.

The team came from behind and won by using a determined approach that included a pounding running game and a pressuring defense.

10 different dudes caugh passes and not a one was named Cooley.

The offense overcame the quarterback leaving two touchdowns on the field.

Some kid named Ganther looks like a keeper.

Over all, I'd say this is the change I wanted: competitive football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought Reid was a journalist, but he's just some a hole with an opinion

that's the last thing we need

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse


True story:

A suburban Atlanta high school teacher has been accused of pursuing a "hit" on a 16-year-old student last month, and the case is under investigation by local authorities.

A teacher trying to kill one of his annoying students?

Sounds to me like a guy living out his dream.

Why stop him?

They don't pay teachers much, so let them take out their frustrations in their own way in lieu of a salary increase.

And besides, some of us have a short list of people who we'd like to see, well, you know, 'taken care of'.

Consider the top five on Moe's list:

Jimmy Football

The Dudes in the Coors Light Beer commercials who pick on NFL coaches.

Whoever Simon Cowell is.

Rich Hollywood types out to save starving kids in poor countries.

Has been rappers who won't quit recording and releasing bad tracks.

And oh, I forgot--Conceited and arrogant bloggers from South Florida.

They are the worst of all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Portis is good, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot

facts are facts, you don't have his career without taking it to the defense on MOST of your carries.

Selfish RB's don't sacrifice their bodies in pass protection.

Haters hate, and there is no reason to hate someone who isn't good, so haters hate the best.

I just wish Reid would use a fact to back-up his criticism, he does get paid to write

BE A MAN REID, NOT A HATER

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

show a burst reid

show a burst of effort in your blogs

like some research or knowledge

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Portis is good, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot

facts are facts, you don't have his career without taking it to the defense on MOST of your carries.

Selfish RB's don't sacrifice their bodies in pass protection.

Haters hate, and there is no reason to hate someone who isn't good, so haters hate the best.

I just wish Reid would use a fact to back-up his criticism, he does get paid to write

BE A MAN REID, NOT A HATER


Posted by: pabrian2003

I agree. Skins fans have a history of falling in love with back ups. Portis is still the best back on the roster.

Posted by: dcwun | November 17, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

portis is the best when he is 100% in effort and in health, tell me when he gets there.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Wait...so now we don't want to trade Betts for a 2nd round pick now? I'm confused.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 17, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

how about when we win it's because of all 53 players, even the one's who are hurt or make errors.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Alexander went from being the man to being a dud in one season. Portis is looking just like Shaun Alexander, huge yards one year, pitifully slow the next.

This has nothing to do with JReid, the OL, or Betts. It's could be due to his inability/unwillingness to practice. It could be due to the bone spurs that is affecting his play. I would say it is a little of both.

Regardless, this year portis has been nothing and should sit until he can prove in practice that he is ready to supplant Betts in the starting rotation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

portis is the best when he is 100% in effort and in health, tell me when he gets there.

Posted by: alex35332

between the whistles, that's when

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

how about when we win it's because of all 53 players, even the one's who are hurt or make errors.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:25 PM |

How 'bout you stop lowering the IQ of the RI comments section?

Posted by: Skins930 | November 17, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Skins fans have a history of falling in love with back ups. Portis is still the best back on the roster.

Posted by: dcwun | November 17, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse
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That needs to be qualified with the fact that a 100% Betts is better than a whatever % Portis is. Zorn needs to enforce the 'don't practice, don't play rule' until Portis proves you right.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

...Regardless, this year portis has been nothing and should sit until he can prove in practice that he is ready to supplant Betts in the starting rotation.


Posted by: Curzon417

124 for 494 avg. 4.0 lng 78 td 1
9 for 57 td 1
1 fum.

this is your definition of nothing making you a HATER that doesn't back up his words in my book, not that you care

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse


how about when we win it's because of all 53 players, even the one's who are hurt or make errors.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:25 PM |

How 'bout you stop lowering the IQ of the RI comments section?

Posted by: Skins930

why, is that your job?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

is anyone in the league 100% at this point?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

why, is that your job?

Posted by: pabrian2003 |

Why? Dude, I guess you agree with me that you are dumbing down this place. Keep spewing your football ignorance, it's obvious that common sense an intelligence will not penetrate your thick skull.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 17, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:
Betts ran for 100+ yards, without the benefit of a 70 yard run that should have gone for 90.

Here's what I think:
Portis was a warrior, but he's also done. Period. Over. Give SherriffGonnaGetcha a show on the radio, and say goodbye with a nice half-time jersey-retirement or something.

Here's what happened:
We had the best performance from a right guard all year. The only close-second comes from the Carolina game.

Here's what I think:
Buges has been been playing psychological games with Rino for a year and we're finally seeing some results. If it means we have a starter for a decade, then I grudgingly accept the garbage from that position for the last year.

Here's what happened:
The Redskins scored 27 points.

Here's what I think:
Zorn wasn't calling plays and our coaching staff got out of the way, for once, in the last two years. Except Danny Smith; who should have been the HC for since week 3.

Here's what happened:
The Redskins won a game.

Here's what I think:
We finish 4-12.

Here's what happened:
I predicted we'd finish 11-5

Here's what I think:
I am a bozo.

Posted by: brianearman | November 17, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

What I think happened is that Sherm Lewis has included plays that work into the game plan and that there is no longer a "script" of plays that are run. The game planning has started to take into account the weaknesses of the other teams and the game calling is attacking the defense which was never done prior to zorn losing those duties.

Watch zorn on the sideline, it really looks like it is not his game plan and he is not happy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 6:45 PM |

Most of the time the first few plays are scriptured. But they are not just scriptured. They are scriptured in part to see how the defense is responding and then that info is the basis for subsequent play calls.

In terms of looking happy, I gots to admit, after the game was over Z looked like the unhappiest HC I had ever seed whose team had just snappered a 4 game losing streak. A dejectured look on his mug - you would have thought that the dude had just lost 4 in a row for Chrissake.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Skins Insider poll:

Which will C. Rogers have more of this season?

INTs
Dropped INTs

I can already think of two dropped ones @ CAR and vs TB.

Posted by: elfreako | November 17, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

brianearman, by your logic, I and a few others = bozos as well.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Alexander went from being the man to being a dud in one season. Portis is looking just like Shaun Alexander, huge yards one year, pitifully slow the next.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 10:25 PM |

LT went from being the man to being a dude in one season. Him and Port-o-let is close to being the same age. But now LT is resurgerating. He destroyed the Eegs who usually have a good defense. However I don't think that Port-o-let can recover like LT did. You pays the price for not practicing, whatever the reason is.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Alexander went from being the man to being a dud in one season. Portis is looking just like Shaun Alexander, huge yards one year, pitifully slow the next.

This has nothing to do with JReid, the OL, or Betts. It's could be due to his inability/unwillingness to practice. It could be due to the bone spurs that is affecting his play. I would say it is a little of both.

Regardless, this year portis has been nothing and should sit until he can prove in practice that he is ready to supplant Betts in the starting rotation.


Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse
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At least Zorn had the good sense to cut Alexander after he became a Redskin.

Posted by: Xlnt | November 17, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Could not agree more with this statement.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 8:16 PM

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I dare you (to agree more.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

SonOf, I think that if Portis is shut down for the rest of the year, has his bone spurs removed, we may see that resurgence next season.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Nobody bodder me!

Posted by: dmlopez1 | November 17, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Nobody bodder me!

Posted by: dmlopez1 | November 17, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I hope he takes his time to get well. Betts is doing a good job and if CP can come back healthy and in sync with the Oline we could do something.
I would like to see some two back (split or I) formations with both. CP is a great blocker, how about alternating CP & LB as lead blocker. CP's concussion might prevent this from happening (yeah, that and reality). Both on the field at the same time not only gives the Skins good blocking. It threatens run and pass on every down.
CP has lost a step and he seems to run into the ground nowadays but hopefully he can transition into a different type of RB & leader for the Skins. With that contract he's not going anywhere.

Posted by: priceisright | November 17, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:
I am a bozo.

Posted by: brianearman | November 17, 2009 10:54 PM |

Dude - I won't try to cornvince you otherwise. But J Reid need to be chuckered into the Bozo Bin as well. It well past time the dude lost this "Here's what happened - Here's what I think" schitick.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

At least Zorn had the good sense to cut Alexander after he became a Redskin.

Posted by: Xlnt | November 17, 2009 11:09 PM

A reminder that even Zorn can make a good decision.

Hip Hip oh, never mind.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

oh and nobody bodder me, either....

Posted by: priceisright | November 17, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

JR wrote:
"Carlos Rogers, the team's first first-round draft pick in the 2005 draft (Washington also selected Campbell in the first round that year) has felt slighted throughout his career with the Redskins, which could end soon. Rogers is a restricted free agent after the season, and he might benefit from a change in scenery."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What an indictment of "Snyder The GM"...
TWO first round picks from 2005 that the Skins now cant wait to trade away.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 17, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian, I know you can see how your stats can be skewed--take away the two long runs and we're talking 3.13 YPC.

But he did have those runs. And he looked slow, lethargic. Cutbacks aren't easy on bad ankles. Again, I'm a big fan of his too but he doesn't look right. It's plain to see.

And again, he may not be done, but he should be done for now. When he's healthy, lets see what he can do with some improved line play. I'll be rooting for him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 17, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

What an indictment of "Snyder The GM"...
TWO first round picks from 2005 that the Skins now cant wait to trade away.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 17, 2009 11:32 PM |

It were more like "Gibbs The GM". Most of 2.0's personnel moves were real steamers.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

124 for 494 avg. 4.0 lng 78 td 1
9 for 57 td 1
1 fum.

this is your definition of nothing making you a HATER that doesn't back up his words in my book, not that you care


Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse


Hey moron, how about these facts and stats:

With Portis starting we are 2-6. With Betts starting we are 1-0.

Portis has one 100-yard game in 8 starts (109 against KC with 78 of those coming on one run where his ssorry butt could finish for a TD with 1 man backpedaling to beat and blocker in front). In one start Betts has topped that with a buck-fourteen.

In 8 starts Portis has 1 rushing TD. In one start Betts has already equaled that output.


Deal with those stats you FOOL.

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

A source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter the Saints cut quarterback Chase Daniel on Tuesday, leaving a roster spot for McAlister.

Might be time to bring in the vertically challenged wonder?

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 18, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Saints sign Chris McAlister
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2009 9:03 PM ET
With their secondary rocked by injuries, the New Orleans Saints have agreed to terms with veteran free-agent cornerback Chris McAlister, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

McAlister was the tenth overall pick in the 1999 draft, and he spent ten years with the Ravens. He fell out of favor last year, during coach John Harbaugh's first season with the team.

In September, McAlister was telling friends that he planned to sign with the Raiders.

It remains to be seen whether McAlister has anything left. But the Saints have a need, and now McAlister could end up getting a ring to go with the one he won in his second NFL season.

To create a spot for McAlister, the Saints cut rookie quarterback Chase Daniel.

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Nice find Nats Fan. IR CC or CP and get this guy back on board.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 18, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

bad team, bad beat reporter! sure do miss jalaca...at least when he wrote it was thought provoking. this blubber sucks! c'mon!!!! what kinda idiot is running this show? shuffle and move this guy back!!!! you got talent on that staff still...

where's cl? haven't seen his name in a while...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 18, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

RI HAMSTER POLL -

IF the Skins were to split the series with the Cowpokes, would you prefer

A) that the Skins win in Dallas and the Pokes win in FedEX or

B) the opposite?

(Remember this being the first time that we're playing in their new stadium.)

Posted by: charley42 | November 18, 2009 4:37 AM | Report abuse

Just want to add my two cents with those scratching their heads at Zorn getting the credit for the uptick in offensive numbers. Wasn't Zorn benched? I respect Jason Reid and the work he's done; I just think he left out that explanatory part about why Zorn deserves the credit. Want to weigh in here Mr. Insider?

Posted by: rfjh1 | November 18, 2009 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Raf's out, Ray-Ray...But who's your Judas, Ray-Ray, who's your 9-11 ?? Who's your Eternal Backstab?? Cuz All God's Gangstas got a 9-11 waitin' for 'em.. And as you're going up that escalator, lookin' down on the Last Supper, in your Italian pinstripe suit from Milan, and your lambskin fedora and carnation, just know one thing: You get backstabbed enough times, all y'all look like 9-11's to me..

Posted by: frak | November 18, 2009 5:51 AM | Report abuse

A source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter the Saints cut quarterback Chase Daniel on Tuesday, leaving a roster spot for McAlister.

Might be time to bring in the vertically challenged wonder?

Posted by: natsfan007

Why do so many fans want what other teams dispose of?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 18, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Why do so many fans want what other teams dispose of?

Well, recycling is so environmentally friendly.
Also, the "cult of Colt" and "the thrill of the Chase" are trademarkable multimedia names, with possibilities for movies as well as attractions at major theme parks.

This is the true reason why we didn't take Michael Oher. The movie possibilities looked good, but they test marketed the attraction at Six Flags and nobody wanted to stand in line to get tackled by a 350 lb. carney.

Posted by: daggar | November 18, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

This is Dallas week, right?


Is this thing on? Hello?

Posted by: daggar | November 18, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Portis has had vision problems all season long: he couldn't SEE any point in practicing, he couldn't SEE any reason to leave Mike Sellers in there to whiff on blocks in front of him, and he is BLIND to the fact of how everyone knows he is a suck up to the owner. With vision problems like that, I think he should ride the pine for awhile...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 18, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Stop hating Portis, JReid. It's not like he's the one that scored FIFTY FIVE(!!) points on your Trojans last weekend.

Good for Betts (Rock too), but the line was much better, also evidenced by Campbell having a chance. They are both good backs, but most NFL players would rather face Ladell than Portis.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 18, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"The team's first first-round draft pick in the 2005 draft (Washington also selected Campbell in the first round that year) has felt slighted throughout his career with the Redskins"

I don't get this?? How can he possibly feel this way?? I know I've kind of beaten this thing to death the last few days, but are you kidding me?? Talk about a 'victim mentality' if this is true.....yikes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"Why do so many fans want what other teams dispose of?"

'Cuz they're looking for players in all the wrong places.

Let's keep the roster the way it is and play as deep into it as possible.

Give every stinking guy a shot at being a starter or contributor: it'll raise moral and really bulid a sense of hope out of a hopeless season.

It'll keep the locker room together.

It'll get us ready for next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 18, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

"...but most NFL players would rather face Ladell than Portis."



Doubt this.

A 230 pound downhill runner who tries to bowl you over in a league where nobody practicing tackling any more is a runner I never want to see.

A used to be speed back who can't cutback with a burst any longer is someone I'd look forward to seeing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 18, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to request a pabrian free day today if thats possible...I mean, yeah, we get it, you and CP are boys, or intimate...can't you just go away....

Moe, all this boston cat wants for Christmas is Adrian Gonzo, and either Bay/Holliday....is that so much to ask??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I hate Pastabelly, but he's spot on with this article on JC:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4661910

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

brown, can't access it, can you give a summation....agreed on LP, can't stand that axe grinding pseudo journalist..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Read that article, not bad from Pasq...Mosely has Betts and JC on his upswing players that are hot right now. Happy for both, but did not think one game would do all that.

I hope that they both keep clicking and we crush the F'N Cowgirls. Hail Skins.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 18, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I hate Pastabelly, but he's spot on with this article on JC:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4661910

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 8:52 AM

Brown thanks for the link. This is another indication that JC is more valuable to other teams than some skin's fan believe. Those who think it's best to let JC walk without controlling his trade rights are foolish. There will be at least 6 teams interested in JC either as a starter or the #2 QB. The skins, if they choose to let JC go, must get proper value for him in a trade. The same applies to Carlos, who has been a solid yet unspectacular CB, in this league.

Posted by: TWISI | November 18, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Much has been made about the success of the running game - both the line play and L. Betts - and correctly so, BUT hasn't anyone noticed that we went to multiple two TE sets? Perhaps that is the primary reason for the success. The defense has to take into account for an additional blocker and the running back benefits.

By the way it is not a bad game plan and should be used again against the Cowboys 3-4 defense.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 17, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Ben, I was at the game and saw the team run alot out of 3 wide, 1TE sets. Denver was lining up with their nickel D, and it was working. I saw 2 TE sets as well, but substituting a FB for a TE isnt adding an extra blocker, just moving that blocker to a different location. And I saw Sellers line up at TE a bunch of times. Dude is versatile.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 18, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:
We had the best performance from a right guard all year. The only close-second comes from the Carolina game.

Here's what I think:
Buges has been been playing psychological games with Rino for a year and we're finally seeing some results. If it means we have a starter for a decade, then I grudgingly accept the garbage from that position for the last year.

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I think the Rino can be a very good right guard. In his two previous starts before the Denver game, he supposedly had a hurt shoulder which made him look bad. Last year they kept trying to make him a right tackle. They need to leave him at right guard and let him continue to develop. As was evident in the Denver, a healthy Rino can be very effective.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | November 18, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

brown, can't access it, can you give a summation....agreed on LP, can't stand that axe grinding pseudo journalist..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 8:54 AM


Greg, he basically says JC is underrated and don't be surprised if JC is a solid starter playing elsewhere. He's not giving us anything groundbreaking...I think it's only news to people who don't follow the Redskins.

Like I said in the offseason: if you put JC on a team with a power running offense and a good O-line, he's solid. I think he'd be a difference maker in Carolina or San Fran.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think the Rino can be a very good right guard. In his two previous starts before the Denver game, he supposedly had a hurt shoulder which made him look bad. Last year they kept trying to make him a right tackle. They need to leave him at right guard and let him continue to develop. As was evident in the Denver, a healthy Rino can be very effective.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | November 18, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Rhino's play wasnt bad from what I saw. He does need to work on some upper body strength. His arms look kinda puny for a starting NFL OLman.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

jim, I agree, I think if they just leave Rhino alone, and let him play, he'll be fine, however, as was evidenced by some of the stuff he said yesterday, I think once Mike Williams is healthy, they're going to put him back in the starting lineup....I mean, how are you going to know if this guy can play or not, if you never give him the chance. People want to call him a bust, based on what?? 3 games??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Doubt this.

A 230 pound downhill runner who tries to bowl you over in a league where nobody practicing tackling any more is a runner I never want to see.

A used to be speed back who can't cutback with a burst any longer is someone I'd look forward to seeing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 18, 2009 8:27 AM |
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you may be right. But I'm not giving up on portis when he's back healthy esp if the line continues to perform. One big game can change perception fast, as it has with betts.

I really just have a problem with the idea that portis is a lazy malcontent who is bringing the team down, as some suggest. Reid sarcastically said it's "big of him" to favor sharing the load, but if CP said he wanted every carry Reid would say he's a selfish me-first guy.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 18, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

jim, I agree, I think if they just leave Rhino alone, and let him play, he'll be fine, however, as was evidenced by some of the stuff he said yesterday, I think once Mike Williams is healthy, they're going to put him back in the starting lineup....I mean, how are you going to know if this guy can play or not, if you never give him the chance. People want to call him a bust, based on what?? 3 games??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

What did RHino say about BMW?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 18, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Resign Chase Daniel and grab Alex Boone off the Niners P'squad.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 18, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The skins, if they choose to let JC go, must get proper value for him in a trade. The same applies to Carlos, who has been a solid yet unspectacular CB, in this league.

Posted by: TWISI | November 18, 2009 9:07 AM


I'd be stunned if they got anything more than a 4th rounder for him. Not because I don't think he's worth it, but because his body of work isn't what it could or should have been. As for Carlos, I doubt seriously there'd be much of a market for him unless he's open to playing safety. Even still, I doubt he goes for more than a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

va, it was more of what I took away from JZ, and how Rhino has been handled in the past...I suspect that once MWilliams is healthy, they'll yank Rhino out, and insert MW...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

CP is a warrior who has carried this offense and team for years. But the truth is he has always been miscast in the offense. His best success came early in Denver where he was a cut back style runner in their zone blocking scheme prolific offenses with legit passing games. Here, he has rarely had a legitimate passing game supporting him and has been turned into a workhorse between the tackles pounder. The years have taken there toll and he is just beat up. With a year to get healthy could he come back? Maybe, and they should give him that opportunity. But the number of carries and the recent injuries suggest he's closer to done than to regaining form. Its time to shut him down for 7 meaningless weeks and see if he can come back healthy next year. Betts, Rock, and Ganther proved not only can they fill in but they are the better options right now.....but once again Zorn is a stubborn moron and this won't happen.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 18, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers got burned pretty bad on that Marshall double-move. He should be embarrassed. It happened once on him, I doubt it would have happened again. Blache was pretty quick on the trigger to pull him. Mistake or no mistake, he's still your best cover corner, and you sat him down. Never mind that that backfield got fleeced once more (and almost twice if Orton hadn't overthrown Royal).

And that makes me wonder.

Blache offered an emphatic defense of Napoleon Snyder, this after all the meanies sad bad things about him.

Rogers said the problems with this team start at the top, specifically the short guy in a suit that looks bad on him (and his trusty sidekick ventriloquist dummy, Vinny).

Rogers speaks his mind. Rogers makes a mistake on the field. Rogers gets pulled. They couldn't possibly be related, right?

Methinks Carlos will be in New England with Springs next year, and we'll be wondering what we can do with Hall, who gets lots of picks, but couldn't cover me in a touch football game.

Posted by: Diamondback1 | November 18, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

db, springs was inactive for the game against indy...so there you go...

"Rogers speaks his mind. Rogers makes a mistake on the field. Rogers gets pulled"

Rogers has made the same mistakes for 5 year running, and there appears to be not one ounce of improvement. Rogers should shut his trap, and work on improving his game, because after all, he's the victim in all this...right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I'd be stunned if they got anything more than a 4th rounder for him. Not because I don't think he's worth it, but because his body of work isn't what it could or should have been. As for Carlos, I doubt seriously there'd be much of a market for him unless he's open to playing safety. Even still, I doubt he goes for more than a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Posted by: brownwood26

Skins may not get more than what you mention above, but they have to tender both and get something. You just don't cut two young guys w/o trying to get something. If no other team gives picks, then give them the opportunity to play for their positions.

Neither has really had to fight for their jobs which I think has contributed to CR's attitude- like he's owed something.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 18, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"The team's first first-round draft pick in the 2005 draft (Washington also selected Campbell in the first round that year) has felt slighted throughout his career with the Redskins"
I don't get this?? How can he possibly feel this way?? I know I've kind of beaten this thing to death the last few days, but are you kidding me?? Talk about a 'victim mentality' if this is true.....yikes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 8:21 AM

I too am wondering what else Carlos was expecting from the Redskins. Drafting him with the number 9(?) pick in the draft and quickly signing him to an appropriate contract...I can see how they got off on the wrong foot there. Quickly making him a starter? Those bastards! This all comes down to him having his arse up on his shoulders about being benched and resentment over Hall's contract. Thing is, a professional would see Hall's contract as a good thing. Play well and Hall's money would be a STARTING POINT for his next contract talks. Instead, he goes this whiney, "I've been slighted", route. I agree with League Source that he's not going to be very easy to replace...but that type of attitude just kills a locker room and affects a unit's performance.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 18, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Heres what happened: Skins run the ball the won the game, the offense stopped playing "west coast" and looked successful.

Here is what I think: Vinny Cerrato has no idea what a West Coast Offense actually is, but because he "got a ring" in San Fran during the West Coast era he thinks he knew what the hell it was. Despite changing to a Head Coach with a west coast philosophy and a offensive coordinator with this philosophy, many of Gibbs guys were still here, and almost all of Gibbs players are still here.

Vinny may in fact be certifiably retarded.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 18, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Chase ain't signing here...

It makes to much sense signing to their practice sqaud and learning under Sean Payton and Drew Bres wit multi legit WRs vs. Zorn.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 18, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...all this boston cat wants for Christmas is Adrian Gonzo, and either Bay/Holliday....is that so much to ask??"


You might want to rethink the Jason Bay/Matt Holliday thingy.

The Detriot Tigers are willing to part with Curtis Granderson: he'd make a fine leftfielder.

I was high on Bay/Holliday until I read a Steve Goldman (pinstripedbible.com) column about how some dudes find success in NL parks but not in AL parks.

Bay/Holliday are strictly National League players--avoid them.

Granderson is the player you want.

And Lackey--from the Angels--is the player y'all need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 18, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd be stunned if they got anything more than a 4th rounder for him. Not because I don't think he's worth it, but because his body of work isn't what it could or should have been. As for Carlos, I doubt seriously there'd be much of a market for him unless he's open to playing safety. Even still, I doubt he goes for more than a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 9:32 AM

I'd happily take those picks, although I think they could get better. If this draft is as deep as they say, those will have more value than in other years.

Posted by: TWISI | November 18, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Also, the "cult of Colt" and "the thrill of the Chase" are trademarkable multimedia names, with possibilities for movies as well as attractions at major theme parks.

Posted by: daggar | November 18, 2009 7:14 AM

Saints just released Chase Daniel! Time to release Andre Woodsen and bring back the little fella!

He's had a half of a season under the tutelage of Mark Brunell, and tons of film of Drew Brees, the king of short quarterbacking, so not only will he be supersmart, but he might also have learned how to be good.

Posted by: dcsween | November 18, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

mcole, agreed, they should extend a contract offer to CR, based on his performance...I'm thinking 5 years, 3 million dollars.

If Rogers was so upset about being slighted that he wanted to prove to the team he was worth keeping, playing like shti, is the wrong approach. That just validates how they've approached you...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 18, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd happily take those picks, although I think they could get better. If this draft is as deep as they say, those will have more value than in other years.

Posted by: TWISI | November 18, 2009 9:57 AM


Those picks are worthless if Vinny's still making the picks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"A teacher trying to kill one of his annoying students?Sounds to me like a guy living out his dream.Why stop him?" posted by Mista Moe

There's actually a famous novel about a private boarding school where parents can send their annoying kids so that the staff can 'accidentally' kill them.

It's called "The Grounding of Group Six".

Posted by: Samson151 | November 18, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I hate Pastabelly, but he's spot on with this article on JC:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4661910

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 8:52 AM

This is what you call good PR by JC17's agent getting a respected (relatively speaking) NFL journalist to write an article about thier client.

A win-win for the Skins and Campbell. A Trade MArket has been created......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 18, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | November 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'd happily take those picks, although I think they could get better. If this draft is as deep as they say, those will have more value than in other years.

Posted by: TWISI | November 18, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Twis, there is no way they get a 4th for Campbell. They were willing to take a 3rd for him when they were desperate to move him, everyone in the league knows we don't want him, no team will give up any picks to get a guy they know we'll probably let walk or if we tender him they wouldn't give up a 3rd last to sign him as an RFA if they wouldn't give a 3rd last year because he's done nothing but look worse than last year and get benched.

Rogers, someone may take a shot and sign him if we tender him at the 3rd level....doubt it though, who wants a malcontent corner that can't cover a double move or catch the ball. The problem with CR22 is he's always felt he's a star and he's not even close. At best he's an average corner, but he feels like he's a top 5 most teams don't want guys like that.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 18, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Zorn has taken a lot of heat this season -- for some things that were his fault and many that weren't. But give the guy credit for recognizing he had to make adjustments in an effort to reduce the intense pass rush on Campbell.

The Redskins aren't running many long-developing patterns these days. They try to take deep shots every now and then with top wideout Santana Moss (Campbell hasn't been in sync with Moss this season), but Zorn, for the most part, has avoided installing plays that feature many seven-step drops.

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What I think happened is that Sherm Lewis has included plays that work into the game plan and that there is no longer a "script" of plays that are run. The game planning has started to take into account the weaknesses of the other teams and the game calling is attacking the defense which was never done prior to zorn losing those duties.

Watch zorn on the sideline, it really looks like it is not his game plan and he is not happy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There it is counselor... Sustained!!!! Curzon hit it right on the head. ADJUSTMENTS have been the biggest change and success as of late.

Posted by: clark202 | November 18, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This is what you call good PR by JC17's agent getting a respected (relatively speaking) NFL journalist to write an article about thier client.

A win-win for the Skins and Campbell. A Trade MArket has been created......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 18, 2009 10:04 AM


Pastabelly has a history of that too...wouldn't put it past him. But I have a hard time believing anyone in the media not named Larry Michael would be willing to do Snyder any favors. He's pretty widely reviled by the national media.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 18, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

We MUST improve at cornerback and a safety. Unfortunately as of now, there are really no elite DB's in the 2010 free agent pool, and we have bigger needs in the 2010 draft, namely LT and RB, so we aren't going to have the opportunity to take a DB in the high rounds. We don't really have much in the way of trade bait to move up in the draft either, either. So 2010 could be another rough year for the pass defense.

Posted by: jksesq1 | November 18, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The DB concerns are almost as significant as the O-Line IMO. Rogers is as good as gone after the season regardless if he regains his starting role. Smoot is at best a nickel corner at this stage of his career and may be gone as well if Tryon and Barnes develop. Landry needs to be moved permanently to strong safety as he has no instincts in pass coverage. I don't see anyone capable of playing free safety well on the roster.

Hopefully, the next head coach recognizes these weaknesses and does something about it. I'm not overly impressed by the moves that Blatche has made given that he has a much stronger D-Line and linebackers than in past years. It does look like the Skins will need to sign a FA corner who can step in and start next year assuming both Roger and Smoot are gone.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Where did this nonsense about not losing your job to injury start in *professional* sports? It's one thing to say that to college students but it's another to expect a pro team to hold a position open while another player is injured. Ladell, in 2 games, has shown better chemistry with the current o-line. Why fix it if/when Portis comes back? If anything, this has shown that practicing is not optional for running backs and o-line. So if Portis isn't practicing (for whatever reason), he shouldn't be starting. How absurd to have a team where the second-string RB gets more practice reps than the starting RB.

And if Zorn had any backbone, he'll do what gives him the best chance at salvaging the season. Sure he's gonna get fired but it's going to be easier to absolve yourself of some of the blame if you actually win some games.

Posted by: tundey | November 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Portis should take all the time he needs to properly heal. Like the rest of the season.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | November 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I guess Jason Campbell and Carlos Rogers were practicing their many connections together once both are gone from the Redskins next year. Maybe the only interceptions that Rogers can make are the ones thrown by Campbell. Here is a call from the future: "Jason Campbell steps back and throws...Oh! Intercepted, again, by Carlos Rogers and return for a touch down! It just appear that those two seems to have a connection, as if they had previously been practicing together!"

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Here's what I think". That cracks me up every time.

Posted by: themantoyou | November 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Given the understanding of the long term health implications of concussions, if I were Clinton Portis I would gracefully retire at seasons' end. He's got money, he's had a great career, he should retire now so that he can still remember it in twenty years.

Posted by: atidwell | November 18, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think.. Campbell and Rodgers are gone next year so play guys who might be here.. and give the Skins maybe a better chance to win NOW.. Collins and Smoot. Betts proved a guy on the bench might be better than the starter... this is the time to find out who really are the best guys on the team and who are living on their past performance or draft status.

Posted by: sovine08 | November 18, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Can we finally admit the Broncos won in the Bailey for Portis trade...

Posted by: sovine08 | November 18, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead

The difference between professional athletes and blogers like us is we havent competed on that level so we think they think like us. No team mates are going to purposefully miss their blocking assignments just because they dont like the runner. Its a team concept. If portis looks bad then the team looks bad. And they dont win. Maybe you can get away with that mentality at your profession but in team sports that does not work. Maybe they dont like campbell either, Is that why he gets sacked and pressured all the time? And at 3-6 they must really hate the coach and the owner.

Posted by: ged0386 | November 18, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003 writes:
"Although Betts has run with a burst Portis rarely displayed in his previous 16 games"

you keep saying this, and I haven't seen it. I think you should prove this if you want to keep saying it, ad nauseum.

If you don't know how one would prove it, or can't prove it, THEN STOP SAYING IT!

It's your opinion and there is no fact to support it.

Do your job J Reid, your so critical of other people's jobs, why don't you do your f'in job?

"PA" you must be freakin blind; EVERYONE can see it, not just J Reid. Stop listening to the games on the radio and watch them in person or on tv; you'll be able to see it too. SHISH some people. You must be Portis girlfriend.

Posted by: sickofit3 | November 18, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Can we finally admit the Broncos won in the Bailey for Portis trade...

Posted by: sovine08

Um, NO! I don't think Denver has made a post season appearance since he got there. He's also been a part of one of the worst defenses in the league the last couple of years.

Posted by: dcwun | November 18, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

It's never good when your offensive line gives up three sacks and that's seen as a good thing.

Posted by: adelosr1 | November 18, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

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