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Heyer Gingerly Leaves the Field (Updated)

Right tackle Stephon Heyer still was walking gingerly as the team came off the field after the morning practice session at Redskins Park.

Heyer, who apparently suffered a leg injury during 11-on-11 drills, declined to discuss what occurred, but Barry Svrluga, who was with the group interviewing Jim Zorn, reports that Heyer has a bruised, banged-up knee.

Svrluga also reports that Zorn said Randy Thomas missed practice because of a sore knee and Mike Williams is slowed by a groin problem.

By Jason Reid  |  August 4, 2009; 11:01 AM ET
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And it begins...

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

FIRST,

hopefully this isn't serious. Maybe we'll hear more about Bridges now? Yikes.

Posted by: trolly_time | August 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

i hope our defense can hold teams to 10 point cuz we're gonna struggle to score 14.

Posted by: RAKem | August 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

1st round pick next year has to be OL. 2nd round pick next hear has to be OL. 3rd round pick next year has to be Jeremy Jarmon...

Posted by: countystyle | August 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"And it begins..."


yeah, I somehow thought we could get to the first preseason game without any significant injuries. Hopefully it's still a possibility.

Posted by: trolly_time | August 4, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

This isn't a problem, really. We just need to add three more receivers to the team. In fact, we need an o-line composed entirely of receivers. We'll call it the Snyder-is-a-franchise-killer formation.

Posted by: pgugino | August 4, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

1st Round Pick has to be a RT
2nd Round Pick has to be a RG
Next Pick has to be an LB

Posted by: slipperyrichard | August 4, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

This is one of the first but wont be the last indicator of just how paper thin this o-line actually is. Hopefully this is nothing but if this happens to our starting LT as opposed to our starting RT we may be done for, and no I dont think thats an overstatement.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 4, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If you notice on the Sports main page, it says "Haynesworth limps off"

Posted by: Zeebs | August 4, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Time to watch the waiver wire. As if this isn't S.O.P. for Vinny.

Posted by: hounddog1 | August 4, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

That flushing sound you hear is the 2009 season...save up for your Sam Bradford jerseys now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 4, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

It mentions Haynesworth Limps off the Field not Heyer on the link in the Sports Section!

FAIL!

p.s- Heyer and the fat man are fighting it out anyhow.

Posted by: alex | August 4, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"Here's the problem ~ a good defense versus a good offense will be a stalemate."

Only rarely. A defense that can't pressure the QB is at a disadvantage against a good passing team, regardless of how well they rate in other respects. An offense that can run the ball and control the clock will have an advantage against a defense that excels in producing turnovers through INTs. Real stalemates occur when teams match up against one another very equally on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 4, 2009 10:32 AM |

Lot of stupidity here.

1. " ... a good defense versus a good offense will be a stalemate." Definition of stalemate: "any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made". Sort of sounds like:

stalemate = defense holding the offense in check

2. "Real stalemates occur when teams match up against one another very equally on both sides of the ball." Don't know what you mean by "matching up" but the Steelers had the best pass defense in 2008 and the Cardinals had the best pass offense. When these two teams faced each other in the SB was it a stalemate? Hardelly. The Cardinals tatooed the "vaunted" Steeler pass defense with 377 yds.

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 4, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Runyans anyone?

Posted by: ga8085 | August 4, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"1st Round Pick has to be a RT
2nd Round Pick has to be a RG
Next Pick has to be an LBPosted by: slipperyrichard"

Does it make any difference which year?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 4, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

1st round - RT
2nd round - C
4, 5, 7 - LBs

Big FA: Best RG out there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 4, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The curse of the Danny continues .....similar to the curse of the Abe. if the Skins don't make the playoffs this year, I wonder if Snyder will consider replacing himself

Posted by: erico31us | August 4, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Earth to Vinny:
Bring in offensive tackle free agents for workouts. Sign the best one. Do this quickly.

Speak to teams knee deep in offensive tackles and what kind of trade can be worked out. Wave ARE and Montgomery under their noses as trade bait. Do not - repeat - do not trade draft picks.

End of communication.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 4, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Our defense could be on its way to being completely dominant. Completely. Dominant.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Do you work in advertising? Because repeating a word or phrase doesn’t make it any more true than putting !!! after it. Even. With. Extra. Periods.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"1. " ... a good defense versus a good offense will be a stalemate." Definition of stalemate: "any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made". Sort of sounds like:
stalemate = defense holding the offense in check
2. "Real stalemates occur when teams match up against one another very equally on both sides of the ball." Don't know what you mean by "matching up" but the Steelers had the best pass defense in 2008 and the Cardinals had the best pass offense. When these two teams faced each other in the SB was it a stalemate? Hardelly. The Cardinals tatooed the "vaunted" Steeler pass defense with 377 yds.
Posted by: EncinoMan"

"A good defense vs a good offense will be a stalemate." But it isn't always, is it? Witness last year's Super Bowl. One held sway for the first half, the other caught fire in the second. The defense eventually prevailed -- or maybe we should say it rescued by the inferior offense.

Pitt vs Arizona wasn't a stalemate at all. And those 377 yards that 'tattooed' Pitt's defense came mostly in the form of a late third-early fourth quarter comeback -- also not characteristic of a stalemate.

Stalemate games usually feature very even stats and are won when one club makes a mistake. Often the stalemate stems not from the fact both teams play so well, but because they play so poorly. Maybe we could make a case for that second Philly game last year?

When I first read EncinoMan's post, I thought, how strange this is. Then I noticed the name and realized what do you expect? It's probably Pauly Shore.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 4, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why snyder doesn't get it? When every GM, analyst, "expert" in the nfl is saying, "championships start with drafting OL, and DL" does snyder just not hear them? Is he not looking at the Giants, Steelers, etc, all the teams that use the draft and use it correctly? I just want some insight into how he thinks he will be the first and only one to succeed with this approach to building a team.

Posted by: jpfree | August 4, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

....other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse


(TO another poster)

I would never shoot the messenger when the messenger is you. I asked a simple question, which you ducked. "Now that we're mildly concerned, what are we supposed to do?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Can I join in? I think what ‘we” should do is write about it and talk about it until the next crisis or distraction comes along. What did you think we should do. Offer to perform microfracture surgery on the dude?

This was drafted by me earlier. Now we have a new crisis--OLINE injuries to occupy us. The moving finger, having writ...

It's what Camp is all about--especailly with aging players....

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

That flushing sound you hear is the 2009 season

wow.....ufb...thats all it took brown...Heyer limps off the field, and all is lost......31 other teams to root for.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

anyone else think Anthony Montgomery might get some work on the offensive line during camp?

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

What about signing Jon Runyan?

Posted by: swertime_ | August 4, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

anyone else think Anthony Montgomery might get some work on the offensive line during camp?

Posted by: isnadd

No, but Lorenzo Alexander has played on the O-line before.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hayer just can't stay healthy. For that reason alone he's better as a stopgap player in a back up role. Here's hoping Bridges pans out.

Posted by: TWISI | August 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It's probably Pauly Shore.

Posted by: Samson151

Buuuuuuaaaaady

---------------------------------------------------------------------

jpfree, with Snyder it's simple. The man wants to win, but wants to do it his way.

They've addressed the defensive line, albeit through free agency and the supplemental draft, I think after watching the Giants sh*t-can the 'Skins running game the last two seasons put him on notice.

Offensive linemen don't sell jerseys. And for that reason, I might just go out this year and buy a Chris Samuels jersey.

It's different, and I have seen no one with one.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

So weird, an old injury prone guy is hurt, a young guy who has been hurt every year, and a fat guy who's been out of football for two years is hurt, that's weird, maybe we should have drafted some olineman instead of some crappy linebackers and fullback

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Samson 151,
Zorn kept Gibbs run offense last year because he didn't think he could teach the entire west coast offense package in the first year. I don't call that adapting. I call that keeping what you have. What did Zorn change down the stretch when the offense started struggling? Not a whole lot that I could see. This is opposed to, say, a Ravens team that started using an unbalanced line to mask their lack of a true run blocking tight end, or a Chargers team that changed their game plan when Tomlinson went down to run more outside of the tackles? How about the Eagles who simplified their passing routes so they could fully use an athletic rookie receiver? This is what I am talking about. Zorn doesn't adapt. He seems resolute in finding players that match the system instead of making his system work for the players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 4, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

This is actually funny, folks on here remind me of what Red Sox fans used to be like before the 2004 World Series. AH gets an injection in his knee, and suddenly people on here are Dr's, and know better than the Redskins Medical staff what the best course of action is.....yikes...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

So what you’re suggesting is the ‘skins start shooting up their two best players with Steroids to bring that long awaited championship (or two) to town?

By the way, my favorite Boston Herald sports headline happened after the Sox lost an opening day contest many years back. Said the Herald in large type:

"Wait'll Next Year"

Pretty much summed up the psychosis of which you speak.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why snyder doesn't get it? ...

Posted by: jpfree

Glad to oblige. Because Snyber became a billionaire at an age when guys like you and me still had our paper route. As a result, his Ego thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and his “genius” in marketing translates to genius at winning in football.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ITS PANIC TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRADE 1ST ROUND PICKS FOR JOHN HANNAH, AND DWIGHT STEPHENSON

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

THE SEASON IS RUINED!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REASON TO PLAY IT AT ALL, REST UP FOR 2010......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Get'm Cork

Posted by: jpfree | August 4, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hit refresh. Updates.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | August 4, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

wow.....ufb...thats all it took brown...Heyer limps off the field, and all is lost......31 other teams to root for.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 11:31 AM

I actually had the words "end sarcasm" at the bottom and it somehow didn't make it's way over when I clicked 'submit'. Just know I was joking about that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 4, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

(spoken in Nancy Kerrigan voice)

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Randy Thomas is "banged up" Oh my gosh I don't believe it!!! He's only 50 years old, only 16 more games left. Hang in there Randy!

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 4, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I bet Jansen is doing flips right now! Not good.

Posted by: mburns134 | August 4, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Runyan is about as done as Jansen.

How does it go? "We just can't have more of the same."

Gotta co-sign bean's 11:31 post. I'd never understand the pessimism with some fans. If it effects you that bad, I suggest stop watching sports altogether and find a new hobby, like fly fishing or something.

But I gotta believe brown26 was just bs'n a little with that one, because if this season was won or lost on the health of Stephon Heyer, then the 'skins were f'd from the start.

"Gimme some mo'"

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

So I guess that answers that question from the earlier blog starter, "Will Today Be Better for the Offensive Line?"

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"If you notice on the Sports main page, it says "Haynesworth limps off""

What's the difference.

It's like Obamacare details schme-tails; You will be able to keep your current Ins. is the catchy line, but in actuality long term you will not...
...Haynesworth (the big name) limps off is the catchy line, but in actuality it was Heyer.

Posted by: rickmort | August 4, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn kept Gibbs run offense last year because he didn't think he could teach the entire west coast offense package in the first year. I don't call that adapting. I call that keeping what you have. What did Zorn change down the stretch when the offense started struggling? Not a whole lot that I could see. This is opposed to, say, a Ravens team that started using an unbalanced line to mask their lack of a true run blocking tight end, or a Chargers team that changed their game plan when Tomlinson went down to run more outside of the tackles? How about the Eagles who simplified their passing routes so they could fully use an athletic rookie receiver? This is what I am talking about. Zorn doesn't adapt. He seems resolute in finding players that match the system instead of making his system work for the players.
Posted by: RedSkinHead"

Zorn adapted when he abandoned much of his offense at season's beginning. The Rvanes did the same thing, as did Atlanta, to accommodate their rookie QBs. Andy Reid made his big change when he benched his veteran quarterback; his defense was already terrific. Tom Coughlin adapted when Burress went out.

Some of the adaptations were more successful than others, but they all had to adapt.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 4, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Defense is killing the offense..Snyder's system is eating itself. I told ya, the guy is a pathological sado-masochist..Next will be the hiring of mercenary gladiators like Runyan, instead of growing warriors from within the Roman Empire..

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

anyone else think Anthony Montgomery might get some work on the offensive line during camp?

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 11:32 AM

Nope, but I do think he's looking like someone to be added to a trade package. He never comes up in coach chatter about the new D-line.

Also, Jansen does have a starting job in his hometown now. No way the guy EVER could to a flip.

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I would rather and wait to hear the prognosis on Heyer before jumping out of my ground floor window......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I read a few weeks back it seems Samuels really liked Devin Clark. Rhino might be ok too, time to live or die with the younger guys.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

So after a bit of research, I have figured out what NFL teams have a practice bubble VS indoor facility vs playing in the open all the time.

The following teams have a bubble, Chicago, Minnesota, Seattle, NY Giants, NY Jets, Philadelphia, Miami, Houston, Denver.

These have a permanent indoor structure option, New Orleans, Detroit, Green Bay, Arizona, St. Louis, Dallas (were in a bubble and just had a practice in the Alamo Dome), New England, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Pittsburgh.

Kansas City building an indoor facility in 2010.

That leaves, Washington, Tampa, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Carolina, San Francisco, Cleveland, Jaxsonville, Oakland, San Deago.

So way to leave us with the good company Snyder.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Wednesday AM recap By Ryan O'Halloran on Aug. 4, 2009
Redskins 360

The injuries continue to mount at Redskin Park, particularly on the offensive line where three projected starters were unable to finish practice. The special teams-only practice starts at 2 p.m.

The news and notes:

*RT Stephon Heyer (left knee), C Casey Rabach (left calf) and RT Mike Williams (groin) did not finish practice and RG Randy Thomas (knee) did not participate at all.

Coach Jim Zorn said none of the injuries are believed to be serious. Heyer declined to talk about his injury, which happened during a goal-line play when he got tangled up with FB Mike Sellers.

*DT Albert Haynesworth (left knee) returned after misisng Sunday's second practice and Monday's only workout. He participated in everything. FB Eddie Williams (hamstring) was also back.

*CB Carlos Rogers (calf), DT Anthony Montgomery (knee) and DL J.D. Skolnitsky (hamstring) sat out. Zorn said WR Royell Williams (finger) will be out several weeks.

*Before the full 11 on 11 team work, the offense spent time on quick slant routes.

*RB Anthony Alridge continues to struggle holding onto the football -- he had another fumble.

*The quarterbacks spent time on a sliding drill for recovering bad shotgun snaps and other fumbles.

*S Kareem Moore continues to have a good camp -- two more interceptions.

*Offensive highlight was a blitz pick-up and QB Jason Campbell throwing a bomb down the middle of the field to WR Antwaan Randle El.

Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I understand the season hasn't even started and that the preseason hasn't even started.....but Heyer hasn't had a track record of health, neither has Thomas or Samuels and Williams is at best a project. Bridges apparently can't play tackle nearly as well as guard but certainly can't play tackle and guard at the same time and Rhinehart is apparently the invisible man....we have cap room, I hope they are on the phone looking into some available lineman through signings or trades

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I know the word was that Heyer was the lead to start the season at RT, but let's put this in perspective.

1. We do not know the extent on the injury and ...

2. Wasn't it Heyer that got benched for Jansen last season who was then not so promptly cut? We have not even seen Heyer play a snap since he was benched last season only heard hype, he may have crapped the bed this season anyway.

Posted by: rickmort | August 4, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it, how the heck is this swiss cheese o-line going to keep JC upright this year. Especially first week against the Giant d-line. This is what happens when needs aren't addressed.

Posted by: joeboggs | August 4, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

beeps, peeps...

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I love the mindset of those on here who are screaming for the team to go out and make a trade.....yet will then skewer the FO for the J-Taylor trade.....don't we want to try and avoid making knee jerk reactions, or would people rather just piss and whine about EVERYTHING....I swear some of the people on here would rather be able to claim they were right about something they said on this blog, than the team be good......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

But I gotta believe brown26 was just bs'n a little with that one, because if this season was won or lost on the health of Stephon Heyer, then the 'skins were f'd from the start.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 11:47 AM


I thought they were f'ed because they were starting him! I like him as a backup guy in the rotation, not as my 16 game starter.

I guess we'll see what we have in Williams and Bridges...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 4, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Why does the title on the sports page say Haynesworth limps off?

Should be "HEYER"!!!!

Had me worried

Posted by: redskincow | August 4, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

WE'RE F************KED!

Posted by: noseman4681 | August 4, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

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