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Holmgren 'bothered' by treatment of Zorn

Perhaps Mike Holmgren might not want to coach the Redskins after all.

He sure didn't sound like a guy trying to impress owner Daniel Snyder when he blasted Washington management today for its treatment of Coach Jim Zorn, one of Holmgren's former assistants, during an interview with a Chicago radio station.

Asked what he thought about the Redskins' decision to strip Zorn, Holmgren's quarterbacks coach with the Seattle Seahawks, of play-calling duties, the longtime head coach "thought it was very unfair to put him in the position," he told the "The Waddle and Silvy Show" on ESPN Chicago.

"The position they put Jim in, it shouldn't happen. You can be upset with me as a play-caller or how the team's going, [then] fire me. But don't do that. Don't pull the rug out from under me, tie my hands, make me look foolish ... take away what I came there for to do in the first place. Don't do that."

Holmgren reportedly at least once has said he would enjoy coaching on the East Coast after stints in the Midwest directing the Green Bay Packers and the West Coast with the Seahawks. He is believed to be among the candidates Snyder would seek to interview if he fired Zorn.

"That bothered me a lot," Holmgren said. "Jim Zorn is one of the nice people. I'm a nice guy, but I'm not that nice. Jim Zorn is really a nice man. What they did, I did not like it at all."

By Jason Reid  |  November 2, 2009; 4:18 PM ET
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panties.....

Posted by: ksquare | November 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If Mike was so bothered by this, why didn't he offer to help JZ out when the offense sucked, and continues to suck?? Sorry, but I'm not co-signing on this pity party for JZ. Boo-hoo, he got the playcalling duties taken away. Well guess what, he had 22, or more games to make it work, and he didn't...Mike would be better served by calling JZ on the down-low, and telling him to score more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Is there anybody who DID like the handling of this situation? ...besides Little Dan and his lapdog Vinster I mean.

Posted by: edvar | November 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

One of the rocket scientists who comment on football in the media (I forget which one) said the Skins' big weakness was they were never willing to let the team get really terrible in order to come back in a big way.

Guess that problem's been solved...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"That bothered me a lot," Holmgren said. "Jim Zorn is one of the nice people. I'm a nice guy, but I'm not that nice. Jim Zorn is really a nice man. What they did, I did not like it at all." -TheMayor

I agree with 4th Floor ... this is not Holmgren burning any bridges. This is just Holmgren's imitation of NateInThePDX.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If Mike was so bothered by this, why didn't he offer to help JZ out when the offense sucked, and continues to suck?? Sorry, but I'm not co-signing on this pity party for JZ. Boo-hoo, he got the playcalling duties taken away. Well guess what, he had 22, or more games to make it work, and he didn't...Mike would be better served by calling JZ on the down-low, and telling him to score more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse


Zorn's really the problem If you believe that, you must be in the Snyder fan club.

Posted by: Redskins001 | November 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Not a surprise. He had to back his boy. I'm not a huge fan of Holmgren anyways.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

" ... At 30, [ARE] is no longer the explosive [return man] the Redskins brought in from [Pittsburgh]. ..." -JReid

Seems like I've read some variation of this same sentence over each of the previous ten seasons, only with the names in the [brackets] replaced.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me ten times, call me MISTER Snyder and don't tell ME how to run a football team!

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's really the problem If you believe that, you must be in the Snyder fan club.


Posted by: Redskins001

He's PART of the problem simply because he's not part of the solution.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's really the problem If you believe that, you must be in the Snyder fan club.


Posted by: Redskins001 | November 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

There are two sides to this zorn situation.

#1 he really is a lousy play caller.
#2 he never got any WCO personnel.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

My ta-ta's ache, and my nipples are itching.

Signed,
Jim Zorn

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mike Holmgren might not want to coach the Redskins after all.

By: JReid

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So now we are comparing Zorn to Holgrem?

Apple meet Orange, I think you two are compatable! HA!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis called a better game than Zorn and only had 2 weeks to prepare.

I don't see why people feel sorry for Zorn. If he had called better plays this wouldn't have happened. Plus, he is going to collect 5 mil. to essentially do nothing.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

001, yeah, the play calling has just be stellar...imaginative, creative, everything you could think of defines it....idiot

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Holmgren if for no other reason than that we have a severe lack of sweet moustaches on our sidelines.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn sucks get over it people

Posted by: BenchCampbell | November 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
I firmly believe that wasn't Holmgren at all. It really was Nate in the PDX dressed up in his Halloween costume.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis called a better game than Zorn and only had 2 weeks to prepare.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Really, 'cause I'm pretty sure we still got our asses kicked and only scored 17 points?

Maybe 'better' is a relative term?

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

not so fast on the PR, from the Times:

Contrary to a published report, the Redskins have yet to decide what combination of DeAngelo Hall, Santana Moss or Antwaan Randle El will return punts Sunday at Atlanta.

A highly placed Redskins source that said despite Randle El's muff last game against Philadelphia, his fumble out of bounds the previous week against Kansas City and his botched fair catch the week before that at Carolina when the ball hit teammate Byron Westbrook, he's still in the mix to field punts against the Falcons.

The Redskins would like to use Hall and Moss more in that capacity except that they're the biggest playmakers on defense and offense, respectively.

The source said that there's also concern that Hall hasn't fielded a punt since 2007 when he was with Atlanta. He first went back to handle a punt as a Redskin in the Eagles' game when he was ready to return a fourth quarter punt that Sav Rocca shanked.

Moss has returned just 17 punts since coming to Washington in 2005.

Hall scored on five of his 56 punt returns at Virginia Tech but has returned just 13 punts during his six NFL seasons with a 9.5 average and no scores. Moss boasts an 11.7-yard average during his nine seasons with three touchdown on his 105 returns.

Randle El, demoted from his starting receiver role this season, is tied for second in the league with 11 fair catches. His 5.2-yard average ranks 25th.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd be shocked if Holmgren ends up in DC. He and Zorn are still very good friends. While it's true that Jim Zorn is clearly in over his head and has been almost from the get-go with this "last man standing" failed experiment, the public emasculation that Dan Snyder has inflicted upon him is indicative of terrible management and reeks of incompetence.

This is the vanilla ice cream incident redux. This is the plasma television incident redux. This is the halftime chewing out incident redux. This is the make Norv wait in the locker room and then fire him the next day incident redux.

Who in their right mind would want to work for him?

Posted by: PDiddy | November 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Really, 'cause I'm pretty sure we still got our asses kicked and only scored 17 points?

Maybe 'better' is a relative term?

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Better. Play calling was better, especially in the Red Zone.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

@Bean - Hence my comments from last post. 'Thrown a bone w/o any meat on it'

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Last time I recall no one had stepped up and claimed they'd be interested in this job. Being the redskins coach isn't exactly the hotest dream job out there when dumb and dumber running the show. Mike didn't burn a bridge. He might have been sending a messege to Danny boy like don't call me!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | November 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaaaaa.... Zorn is treated unfairly....whaaaaaaaaaaa.... Zorn had his play-calling duties taking away....whaaaaaaaaaa.... Look at the roster he inherited....whaaaaaaaa... Clinton Portis undermines him....whaaaaaaaaa... Jim Zorn is a nice guy...whaaaaaaaaaa... I feel sorry for Jim Zorn...whaaaaaaaa... whaaaaaaaaa.... whaaaaaaa....

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This is the vanilla ice cream incident redux. This is the plasma television incident redux. This is the halftime chewing out incident redux. This is the make Norv wait in the locker room and then fire him the next day incident redux.

Who in their right mind would want to work for him?

Posted by: PDiddy | November 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I googled the vanilla ice cream story and am just shaking my head. Sounds like Boss of the Year material.

What's the plasma TV story? I couldn't find that one...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | November 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Asked what he thought about the Redskins' decision to strip Zorn, Holmgren's quarterbacks coach with the Seattle Seahawks, of play-calling duties, the longtime head coach "thought it was very unfair to put him in the position," he told the "The Waddle and Silvy Show" on ESPN Chicago."

He's probably not the only potential head coach candidate who thought this. The offseason coaching search will be interesting especially if Cerrato's still around. Wonder if they've learned anything from the last search?

Posted by: skinswest | November 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaaaaa.... Zorn is treated unfairly....whaaaaaaaaaaa.... Zorn had his play-calling duties taking away....whaaaaaaaaaa.... Look at the roster he inherited....whaaaaaaaa... Clinton Portis undermines him....whaaaaaaaaa... Jim Zorn is a nice guy...whaaaaaaaaaa... I feel sorry for Jim Zorn...whaaaaaaaa... whaaaaaaaaa.... whaaaaaaa....

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaa...we can't find a respectable head coach because we are a joke of an organization....

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"Who in their right mind would want to work for him?"

Vincent Cerrato.

You are of sound mind when you're fully aware that you can half-ass do your job, or flat out suck at doing it and still cash a check.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Examples of Jim Zorn answers

Randle El wants to run north and south but when he catches the ball there are 11 people coming to try and tackle him so he decided there to go east and west, so you see it is not his fault it is really just a number thing. I think if there was nobody coming down the field to tackle him you would see that joker go north 100mph.


Jim Zorn = Michael Scott

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn = Michael Scott

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Nope

Jim Zorn = Simple Jack

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

At least that's something/someone to cry over, PASkins.

The lame duckness ineptitude that is Zorn? 'fraid not.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

What's the plasma TV story? I couldn't find that one...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | November 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

That goes back to the Santana for Lav Coles trade. I believe Coles wouldn't agree to give up some of his money to be traded.

Snyder threatened him by saying he would make him inactive all year, he'd need a plasma to watch the games, because he wouldn't be there in person, or something to that degree.

Posted by: ksquare | November 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

DHall is the 'biggest playmaker on defense'? Really? Really seriously really?

JZ is a very nice guy. JZ is NOT HC material and after this may never ever be. Appears to lack the leadership skills requisite for this particular job.

You know when he came out and said "maroon and black" we all knew and should have known this wasn't going to turn out well . . . 6-0 was so nice though . . .fleeting but nice. . . .

Posted by: sfskin | November 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why people feel sorry for Zorn. If he had called better plays this wouldn't have happened. Plus, he is going to collect 5 mil. to essentially do nothing.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 4:47 PM

I don't feel sorry for him or think he's been treated unfairly. I just think it takes a while to build success. If you sign a guy for three years, you should stick with him for three years. Not because he deserves the job for three years, but because you enter into contracts that accomplish your business plan. Initially, Cowher's Steelers sucked. After a while, he built something. Pick and stick. "Building" through the draft requires some continuity in the architectural team and the building contractors. Have a damb plan and follow it dambit, not just A.D.D. and week-to-week "management" by whim and impulse.

And, because The Owner has never actually PLAYED any competitive sport (other than getting picked last to play school yard kickball), just LISTEN to people who've played the game to understand that success builds confidence, and confidence builds swagger, and that "rhythm" just means getting going. Vinny's "playoff caliber" roster is just shopping cart of fantasy football players. A TEAM involves getting a vibe ... and it happens organically through interaction of people, not on paper.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Who in their right mind would want to work for him?"

Vincent Cerrato.

You are of sound mind when you're fully aware that you can half-ass do your job, or flat out suck at doing it and still cash a check.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 5:04 PM

Who was the last Skins' head coach to actually fulfill the negotiated term of his contract? ANY of them under The Owner? [Other than maybe Robiskie.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If Mike was so bothered by this, why didn't he offer to help JZ out when the offense sucked, and continues to suck?? Sorry, but I'm not co-signing on this pity party for JZ. Boo-hoo, he got the playcalling duties taken away. Well guess what, he had 22, or more games to make it work, and he didn't...Mike would be better served by calling JZ on the down-low, and telling him to score more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

You're an ass. I'm sure he would if he thought it would help. The problem with this team is personnel. It is impossible to judge the play-calling and coaching when the team is so utterly lacking in talent.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I googled the vanilla ice cream story and am just shaking my head. Sounds like Boss of the Year material.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | November 2, 2009 5:03 PM

I hadn't heard that one either. What a jerk. Nolan took a lot of heat for the lousy skins defense back then but he's certainly proving himself this year with the Broncos. He's done for the broncos defense in 7 games what Mike Shanahan and countless other d-coordinators couldn't in several seasons.

Posted by: skinswest | November 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Just read that the Chargers cut Chris Chambers.

Need someone at Redskins park to hide Vinny and Dan's phones.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

From pft about the Chargers cutting Chambers ...

" ... As we previously mentioned, any team that lands Chambers on waivers will be required to pick up the balance of his $4.55 million base salary. If he clears waivers, he'll be entitled to collect the remaining $2.4 million as termination pay. He would be permitted to keep that amount even if he signs with a new team as an unrestricted free agent. ..."

Ownership is already internalizing the absence of a salary cap. This Chambers cut shows a BIG mid-year dead cap boost for an underperforming contract ... digging in their heels on ending the league year near the top of the cap ... and entering the new league with all that dead cap space wiped clean.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Put it this way. If Vince Lombardi had signed up to coach this roster, they'd be giving out Hank Stram Trophies every February.

No coach could produce on offense with this bunch of losers so the bottom line is we have NO IDEA whether Zorn would have been a good, great, or terrible coach. He never had a chance. Not for one moment.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Just poppin' in to say phuk this FO. Burn 'em. Saw a great little plan to turn the upper decks of Fed Ex into a fire Danny sign. If I was going to the games I would be on board. Danny sux hairy gorilla nuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Whether Zorn actually sucks or not is not the story here. With Danny and Vinny buying the groceries, the meal is going to suck. How many different ways can you spice up a turd sandwich?

Zorn is a dead coach walking and there's no reason to pile onto him anyhow.

The story is that Snyder runs a total joke of an operation, and people with a shred of self-respect in football want no part of it. Shoot, I'm a lifelong Skins fan and I want no part of it...

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess you can cross Holmgren off the list.

Who does that leave?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the off-season head coach search -- the Skins will be hard pressed to hire any veteran head coach (HC) if they:

(1) Do not allow the HC to hire his assistants.

(2) Do not replace Cerrato.

(3) Continue to draft and sign players without regard to the coaching style or need.

Sounds like they can already scratch Holmgren, Cowher, Dungy, Schottenheimer, and Shanahan from the HC search...

Posted by: siris | November 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

If Mike was so bothered by this, why didn't he offer to help JZ out when the offense sucked, and continues to suck?? Sorry, but I'm not co-signing on this pity party for JZ. Boo-hoo, he got the playcalling duties taken away. Well guess what, he had 22, or more games to make it work, and he didn't...Mike would be better served by calling JZ on the down-low, and telling him to score more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

dang it ... I agree with you.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I guess you can cross Holmgren off the list.

Who does that leave?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think you could have crossed Holmgren off before - he wants personnel control and this owner has shown no signs of giving that up. Ditto for Shanny.

The odds-on favorite is Gruden. He doesn't care to be the personnel guy. He'd probably allow Vinny to stay. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

That bothered me a lot, I said. dcsween is one of the nice people. I'm a nice guy, but I'm not that nice. dcsween is really a nice man. What they did, I did not like it at all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 2, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I know they flirted with Fassel for a while...any chance that snatch him up?

For the record, I think they should keep Zorn and get an O-Line to give JC17 some protection and then see what they can do.

But I would think the FO has already made up their collective "mind" to dump them both

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Who does that leave?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:23 PM

Snyder coming down to coach the team.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I say Snyder dumps Cerrato after the year...or at least "redefines the nature of their association"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I know they flirted with Fassel for a while...any chance that snatch him up?
For the record, I think they should keep Zorn and get an O-Line to give JC17 some protection and then see what they can do.

But I would think the FO has already made up their collective "mind" to dump them both

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I would agree, except that Vinny needs to be replaced with a strong GM. And a strong GM will want to hire their own coach. And a new coach will want their own QB.

I like Zorn and I think JC could have been good. But it's time to scrap everything.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, how about that, Jon Gruden spent a year at my folks' alma mater, tiny Muskingum College in southeast Ohio, before transferring to Dayton.

That little factoid piqued my interest, but it doesn't make me like the guy any more as a potential next head coach of the Washington Redskins.

F losing, but even more than that, F losing without any heart.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

By being vague, Holmgren didn't implicate Snyder. Holmgren did implicate Zorn's boss, Vinny.

Holmgren's message to Danny is, in effect, if you want me to come to DC, I'm getting control. If Vinny stays, I'm not interested.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I think you could have crossed Holmgren off before - he wants personnel control and this owner has shown no signs of giving that up. Ditto for Shanny.

The odds-on favorite is Gruden. He doesn't care to be the personnel guy. He'd probably allow Vinny to stay. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 5:25 PM

I agree although it didn't stop them from trying for Shanahan after the Detroit game. I suspect if it's not Gruden it'll be someone like Billick or Martz.

Posted by: skinswest | November 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren's message to Danny is, in effect, if you want me to come to DC, I'm getting control. If Vinny stays, I'm not interested.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse


Good. I think Shanahan said the same kind of thing.

They could set up a bucket on a mop handle and call it the new VP for Football Ops, and I would say it is a step in the right direction.

Heck, I might even come back to the stadium for a game...

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I know we keep asking this question over and over and over and over and over and over but how flingin flangin delusional is Snyder? It would appear it's a Nero level of delusion except he isn't so much fiddling as he is telling Cerrato to fiddle.

I mean even Al Davis has an SB to hang his tin foil cap on. . .what does Snyder have? Oh yeah the millions of $ we've all sent him . . . SHTI on a stick!!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn sucks get over it people"

Everyone Snyder brings in sucks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn sucks get over it people"

Everyone Snyder brings in sucks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 5:38 PM |

That's right. They all have 1 thing in common...Snyder.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Crazy question her but I would assume that Snyder has other investors with him inthe Skins. Did he purchase the team on his own, or did he have partners.

Who are the partners (if any)?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, it's dangerous to get into a ring-counting contest with Vinny Cerrato -- who I think has seven or eight of them -- but Al Davis has three, count 'em, three Super Bowl titles as an owner. Including of course the one over the Skins... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 2, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

cross holgrem off the list of candidates to coach the skins... way to go vinnyder..

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 2, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I suspect it will come up in a later 2009 ZEKE's UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, I'm going on record at this point saying that Dan Snyder is now officially scared by what is happening to this team.

He can, of course, deal with a bad season. But he can't deal with the team risking its most valuable asset, the fans that comprise his season ticket waiting list.

There are plenty of signs that the wait list might not be what he wants he wants fans to think it is. The wait list drives lots of the team's revenues and the financial value of the team.

Financially speaking, there is plenty of room for Danny to fall, and he standing on some pretty slippery ground.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If Mike was so bothered by this, why didn't he offer to help JZ out when the offense sucked, and continues to suck??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:38 PM |

And HTF was he supposed to help? Call plays for him?

Dumb azz.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The complication in guessing who will be the next Redskins coach is knowing which other jobs will also be available.

Some obvious possibilities (Panthers, Titans) are much more attractive, given that they are well-run organizations with teams that have been in the playoffs frequently in recent years. The rosters are less in need of overhaul compared to the Skins.

Dallas is the wild card if Wade Phillips is fired. It's the biggest spotlight in the NFL, but it also has a meddlesome owner and fundamental roster flaws. Still, it will attract good coaches.

The other variable is which of the leading "retired" candidates are actually retired. Everybody assumes that Cowher wants back in, but that's not a given. Same with Holmgren.

Personally, I think that Snyder will be more than willing to fire Cerrato if that's what it takes to make a splashy coaching hire.

Posted by: acoberst1 | November 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren is past his time just like Gibbs. Zorn is a nice guy But a JOKE when it comes to calling plays..he has no feel for the game. Thats why its the NFL (Not For Long).

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | November 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder is smart enough to know that sacking old Vinny and bringing in an accomplished GM will give him a clean slate with many of the fans.

He didnt get rich with the lottery, he is a business man.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I hate the way Snyder and Cerrato screw up things - and assigning playcalling to a person (Sherm Lewis) who has been out of football for 5 years (and only been w/the Skins for 2 weeks) PRIOR to MNF was sheer insanity IMO. It just brought even more ridicule upon the team.

HOWEVER.....why does everyone (especially the media) keep harping on "what will Zorn do on the sideline" OR "Zorn will have NOTHING to do"? If I am not mistaken, there are MANY head coaches who do not call plays.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Cower = Panthers (his daughter goes to college near there)

Shanahan = Cowboys (Shanahan has a man-crush on Romo)

Fisher (stays with the Titans)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, it's dangerous to get into a ring-counting contest with Vinny Cerrato -- who I think has seven or eight of them -- but Al Davis has three, count 'em, three Super Bowl titles as an owner. Including of course the one over the Skins... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 2, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

What kind of rings Nate? He has one from SF SB in '94 and that is all I think.

I don't know why I said an SB for Davis - I think I was visualizing the tin foil cap too much. : )

Posted by: sfskin | November 2, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

This blog really sucks without Poopy McPoop.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I could still see Holmgren coming to Washington. Snyder could hang all of this nonsense on Cerrato, can him at the end of the season, and bring Holmgren as kind of the Vice President of Football Operations or some other nebulous title. Does anyone think there is a situation where Zorn stays and Vinny leaves? I wouldn't want Zorn to stick around because I think he's part of the problem, but when you start talking "what-if" with the Redskins anything is possible.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't feel sorry for him or think he's been treated unfairly. I just think it takes a while to build success. If you sign a guy for three years, you should stick with him for three years. Not because he deserves the job for three years, but because you enter into contracts that accomplish your business plan.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2009 5:12 PM

I agree. And if you sign a wireless contract for two years, you should stick with the plan for two years. No early outs for an iPhone on AT&T. You signed with Verizon so you go with Verizon.

Posted by: League-Source | November 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, Vinny has a mood ring, a class ring, a Fellowship of the Ring DVD, a pinky ring, a promise ring, a set of those rings they use in men's gymnastics, half a box of Ring-Dings, and a custom-made ring in the shape of a lion, with diamonds for eyes... but he earned them.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes Nate - don't forget the promise ring from Snyder that is now an engagement ring and a wedding ring.

WE WANT A DIVORCE!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what Holgren thinks about ANYTHING.

I'm sick to death of these posts.

All we ever hear is that the NFL is a "business" (I agree it is), yet there is non-stop whining and gnashing of teeth because someone got their feelings hurt, or they weren't treated as expected.

Get the eff OUT OF TOWN, Zorn, and take your cry-baby philosophy with you.

Perhaps you, Holmgren and that RWing POS Largent can start a new political party with that whacked-out approach.

And ANOTHER thing, why is the Randel El post (his demotion) filled with more euphemisms from Zorny, more explanations as to why it's not really a demotion.

JUST FRIKKIN CALL IT WHAT IT IS! Just state that when a player (ARE or anyone else) isn't performing up to the standards necessary to help the team win, they will be SITTING DOWN until further notice.

I'm not advocating a coaching style that humiliates players, but for God's sake all this nonsense about stroking player egos and not wanting anyone to be "offended" has made me DISGUSTED with these guys.

People say the FO is duplicitous and less-than-forthcoming. I agree 100%. I also agree that the current coach MIRRORS that attitude, by not just spitting out the truth.

Stop sparing people's feelings; these guys are being paid big bucks to play and if they can't measure up, they SHOULD be replaced in the lineup, and there should be no wishy-washy explanation for it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 2, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the rant, I just had to get that off my chest.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Financially speaking, there is plenty of room for Danny to fall, and he standing on some pretty slippery ground.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2009 5:56 PM |

I likes you grammar. As to the subject matter of your post, if Snyder continues to meddle in team operations he runs the real risk of losing the fan base and his revenue stream, which he has milked so assiduously up til now. The fans have reached the limit of their patience. I think even he can see that. The only way to placate the fans at this point is to hire a GM to run the operations, including getting new coaches and players. What is the downside of doing this? If the team continues to suck the fans can't blame Snyder, as long as he makes a reasonable choice for GM. If he continues in his meddlesome ways and the team sucks there won't be any waiting list, FedEx will be less than half full, TV will blacked out, and Snyder will lose all of the appreciated value of his asset and mebbe even some of his original equity. Ouch! I mean after all, how much fun will it be to meddle when you are walking around strapped inside a barrel? Heh, heh.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations skins...you have one of the highest payrolls in the NFL and you have won (one) game more than the Titans, the Lions, the Rams, the Browns, and Chiefs. Talk about under achieving. Winning breeds confidence and right this team (offensively) has very little confidence which will probably equal ZERO wins for the remainder of the year.

Posted by: pennstate1 | November 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

This blog really sucks without Poopy McPoop.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 6:05 PM |

Somehow I will be able to get along w/o his value meal of a quarter turder and a 32 oz poop juicer.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

You are of sound mind when you're fully aware that you can half-ass do your job, or flat out suck at doing it and still cash a check.

Posted by: RedDMV

Sounds like most DC Government employees to me!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

... but when you start talking "what-if" with the Redskins anything is possible.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 2, 2009 6:05 PM |

I think you can count on Z and JC not being back. Both sides of the equaiton are in complete agreement on that.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

So everyone hates Zorn again and many talk about who to draft and who to get to coach and in FA.

Guess the "no-signs, no-message shirts" outrage of last week has passed over.

Danny's people read RI and they can think, get back to business Danny, it's blown over. Fans are fickle, have no short term memory, and are easily distracted by bright shiny objects, like you are.

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Chucky is going to be the coach anyways...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, 'cause I'm a true diehard fan, but with the state of ownership and management right now, if I were Mike Holmgren I would turn and run as fast as I can if I saw The Danny coming with a contract offer. With as bad as Synder and Cerrato have been in recent years, I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to be able to get a top-quality coach next year. It may become a case where coaches don't want to be here, a al Al Davis in Oakland. What a shame that would be. How far the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | November 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I likes you grammar.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand |

My grammar sez she likes yu two

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

It may become a case where coaches don't want to be here, a al Al Davis in Oakland.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | November 2, 2009 6:36 PM |

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Wife beaters will always want to work for Al.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Chucky is going to be the coach anyways...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg

and unless he gets new players, they'll still suck. Gibbs couldn't get it done with these misfits, neither will anyone else!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

How many times do I have to tell ya'll...

A mediocre O-line, coupled with a gun shy, slow QB in JC equals games of 9 points, 16 points etc...

Green Bay's O-line stinks but they managed to score over 30 points!!!!

JC does not throw the ball when he should!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I am in the "No coach with half a brain or more then 1 ball in his '''' will want to come here now" camp.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 2, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Fans are fickle, have no short term memory, and are easily distracted by bright shiny objects...

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2009 6:35 PM

I won't be over the Vin/Dan shabing...ooh look, they have internet on computers now!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 2, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

How many times do I have to tell ya'll...

A mediocre O-line, coupled with a gun shy, slow QB in JC equals games of 9 points, 16 points etc...

Green Bay's O-line stinks but they managed to score over 30 points!!!!

JC does not throw the ball when he should!

Posted by: rickyroge


ricky,

what were u thinking? the JC jock sniffers will crucify you for pointing out his obvious flaws. better run for cover.......

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn sucks get over it people"

Everyone Snyder brings in sucks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 5:38 PM |

That's right. They all have 1 thing in common...Snyder.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 5:41 PM

Abso-flippin-lutely.

Posted by: cannontl | November 2, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I hope Snyder can't get on name coach to come here. If they have any IQ, they won't unless they also have GM control.

Posted by: cannontl | November 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I hope Snyder can't get on name coach to come here. If they have any IQ, they won't unless they also have GM control.

Posted by: cannontl

just like the big-name free agents that have come here to be paid for a decade, a coach will too. can't blame them, but DS and VC haven't a clue about team building.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Snyder should get rid of Cerrato. However, there is a problem if Snyder would ever do that, he does not make good choices and whoever he chooses for the next GM may not be any good either.

Posted by: cannontl | November 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Skins (offensive) players.....be sure to watch the Saints & Falcons game tonight. Take notes because you'll be able to see what REAL NFL football looks like.

Posted by: pennstate1 | November 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

That's probably true, 1965skinsfan, unfortunately.

Posted by: cannontl | November 2, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

"Holmgren 'bothered' by treatment of Zorn"

Holmgren should be bothered by the fact that Jim Zorn is willing to hang around after being undermined in the way he has been.

Yes: walking away from Snyder's pile 'o cash is a tough thing to do.

But how does a coach stand up in a room full of other men living off that pile too and pretend to possess authority they know he doesn't have?

Jim Zorn will be hired to coach elsewhere in the league as he has the pedigree and connections that come with being a WCO/Bill Walsh disciple.

But when he leaves DC, folks in the new place may wonder why it took him so long to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Put it this way. If Vince Lombardi had signed up to coach this roster, they'd be giving out Hank Stram Trophies every February.

No coach could produce on offense with this bunch of losers so the bottom line is we have NO IDEA whether Zorn would have been a good, great, or terrible coach. He never had a chance. Not for one moment.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Took me a second to get this one (long weekend) but that made me chuckle. Well said sir.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Randle El has been demoted?

A guy sits down to dinner, takes a walk, pays some bills over the internet, and comes to find that his dream has come true.

Now, if we can only get Marko Mitchell some game time Sunday.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Randle El has been demoted?

A guy sits down to dinner, takes a walk, pays some bills over the internet, and comes to find that his dream has come true.

Now, if we can only get Marko Mitchell some game time Sunday.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

What a great week, the skins did not loose a game this week. No sireee!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 2, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Amen Moe. Time to start the youth movement now. Get the skill players some run this year, draft O-linemen with at least 2 of the first 3 picks for next year. I do not think Heyer should be benched, but moved back to RT if Levi Jones can handle LT. I know he's struggled but he's in a tough spot, being asked to move to LT midseason. He is only 25 (and a Terp) and could provide as a depth guy down the road.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"Holmgren 'bothered' by treatment of Zorn"


Holmgren should be bothered by the fact that Jim Zorn is willing to hang around after being undermined in the way he has been.

Yes: walking away from Snyder's pile 'o cash is a tough thing to do.

But how does a coach stand up in a room full of other men living off that pile too and pretend to possess authority they know he doesn't have?

Jim Zorn will be hired to coach elsewhere in the league as he has the pedigree and connections that come with being a WCO/Bill Walsh disciple.

But when he leaves DC, folks in the new place may wonder why it took him so long to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Moe...I agree with what you're saying to an extent but if you could set yourself and your family up financially by swallowing your pride for 4-5 months (i.e., I think he'll be fired at season's end)...well, it's hard to fault a man for that. Or maybe he genuinely feels an obligation to try and "finish what he started" (even tho we know his hands are tied by Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunn). I think it would be stones if he just said "F U" to DS/VC, but easier said than done to walk away from $6 million (or so I'd imagine)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I have not posted much since my doom and gloom thoughts/prediction during the first couple weeks of the season... (Which seems true unfortunately). Anyways, heard a rumor that Synders sister owns most of the skins…Any truth to this?

-Rob

Posted by: rb_rivers | November 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

why would a competent football guy like Mike Holmgren would ever work for a clown like Snyder?? Holmgren learned his football from Bill Walsh who's on the very top of the NFL coaching tree of the last 30 years. And the Holmgren tree has grown over the years as well - Andy Reid, Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci, etc...

you think those people ever treat people in the same way that Snyderrato has treated Zorn??

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Okay RI, it is time for one of my usual, yet unpredictable rants on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..

The Govt. is cutting off funding for Abstinence education. *Applause*

Abstinence is flawed and to teach it as an acceptable way of life is anything but.

In other news, Webster is removing 'Abstinence' from his archives, citing limited paper space and TheCork is busy typing his resume.

Posted by: Vicc | November 2, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Does any1 else here feel like Drew Brees' arm got stronger after shoulder surgery?

Posted by: Vicc | November 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

"Get the skill players some run this year, draft O-linemen with at least 2 of the first 3 picks for next year."

Not gonna happen.

ESPN just reported on the NFL pre-show tonight the Skins were paying "very close" attention to what happens to the OK QB Bradford.

Then I screamed at the TV,"WE NEED F***ING LINEMEN FIRST!"

See, they don't get it. Smart people think you have to build a solid offensive line THEN get the QB, but not the Skins brass.

They are SO smart that they know that they will kill that QB if the Skins draft him with that top pick.

If I were Bradford and the Skins drafted me, I would do a John Elway.

Stupid morons. They have learned nothing.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Gruden or Billick or some unknown coordinator who thinks he can be the next Joe Gibbs no matter who the owner is? You know who the right guy for the job is? Though he won't come out of his plushy miami office its Parcells. He would put the players and the owner in their proper respective places.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | November 2, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn will be hired to coach elsewhere in the league as he has the pedigree and connections that come with being a WCO/Bill Walsh disciple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2009 7:15 PM |

I dunno. I used to think that Z was going to be fired after doing a reasonablby good job with the Skins in 2009 (say go 9-7 and miss the playoffs) and that he might actually reemerge to contend for the Seattle job once Mora gets fired. The idea being that getting fired by Snyder is no big deal - per what happened to Schott and Snyder's league rep as having an extremely low FB IQ. But Zorn really laid a ginormous egg this season, to the extent that he might not even be able to get even a QBC job in the NFL. Nevertheless, if he hangs in there he will leave the Skins financially secure, which should be his main goal at this point.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Did any1 else catch TheCork completely OWN RedDMV? Not surprised Red conveniently didn't read/respond to this pwnage!


-"His INT's were gifts, either tipped to him or thrown into his chest." - 44RIGGO

Do you know how stupid you just read? How the hell else is a CB supposed get INTs, pull 'em outta his ass? He's doing his job which is a helluva lot more I can say for the other starting CB.

POSTED BY: RED DMV

Glass houses dude. You're still under the impression that whoever sounds the most bad-ass is right here, but 44RIGGO is dead on right.

Let me answer your question first. How "the hell else" Hall is supposed to get Ints instead of catching caroms while standing 10 yards behind the receiver is by actually COVERING the receiver.

See, the problem is most of the time, when a CB stations himself well off the guy he's supposed to cover, the ball is caught by the receiver, it DOESN'T carom to the defender.

Hey, Hall has great hands, but his cover skills are lacking. His ints are a result of both factors, and 44RIGGO doesn't deserve a dose of your "patented" wit.

As for comparing Hall favorably with the other redskins CB, there's a term for that kind of argument: It's called a "Straw man" approach.

Hey save some snark and your asterisks for later in the season. You're gonna need them, RedDMV

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse -


Chia murdered him a week earlier.

Posted by: Vicc | November 2, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and to stay on topic...

I don't feel bad for Zorn at all. Not one bit.

He knew exactly what he got himself into. He was set to fail from the very beginning, which is why he will get another HC job one day...and still suck at it.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

just heard on CBS westwood one radio MNF preview that "A GM in the NFL has been fired!" and they went to commercial and i got home. so i ran to my computer hoping for some promising information, only to be disappointed to read that it was the Browns GM that got canned, not Vinny.

DAMNIT!!!

Posted by: kman2 | November 2, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Green Bay's O-line stinks but they managed to score over 30 points!!!!

Yup, and he gets sacked a lot. So, do they win? Do you think they will win the division, even against what are for the most part pretty inferior foes?
Yes, he does have 14 TDs against 2 INTS. A 110.4 rating. The #1 running back has Portis stats with more TDs. They are still 4-3 in that division. Why?

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 74

Comment: Rodgers responded well being the Packers' starter in 2008. He has good size and arm strength to make all the throws and showed he is a viable replacement for Brett Favre. He did a great job of executing Green's Bay air attack with patience and accuracy. Rodgers had an excellent touchdown-to-interception ratio and was able to put the Packers in position to win almost every game. He has good vision and the ability to read defenses. He can improvise when plays break down. He is effective in the pocket or off play-action. He doesn't have great speed but can pull the ball down and move the chains with his legs. Rodgers has all the tools to be a top-10 signal-caller in the league.

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 76

Comment: Campbell had a very solid season as the Redskins' starting signal caller in 2008. He has progressed over his four years in the league. He adjusted to a new system under first-year head coach Jim Zorn and showed the ability to be patient in the pocket to find second and third options in the passing game. He can power the ball into tight windows or get it deep on long throws as well as showing good touch on shorter routes. He has improved his vision and ability to read defenses over the past two seasons which has made him a much more efficient passer in Zorn's West Coast offense. He runs well for his size and position and can pull the ball down to move the chains. He has improved his improvising in 2008 but needs to continue to improve in this area. Campbell has all the tools to be an excellent quarterback in the NFL and should continue to improve in his second season in Washington's new offensive philosophy.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"A GM in the NFL has been fired!" and they went to commercial and i got home. so i ran to my computer hoping for some promising information, only to be disappointed to read that it was the Browns GM that got canned, not Vinny."

Sigh ... he is not the GM. Snyder still is and always was! Maybe, and that's a big IF, of a maybe, if he had done well after Gibbs left Snidely would have demurred and given him the title. That seems highly unlikely now ... doesn't it? We continue with Snidley GM with VP of player personnel Cerrato his henchman.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

just heard on CBS westwood one radio MNF preview that "A GM in the NFL has been fired!" and they went to commercial and i got home. so i ran to my computer hoping for some promising information, only to be disappointed to read that it was the Browns GM that got canned, not Vinny.

DAMNIT!!!

Posted by: kman2 | November 2, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse
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Semantics, but Vinny is not the GM. He has the same title as Mr. Bill Parcells does in Miami. Parcells hired a talented GM, but apparently GMs are for sissies.

"We don't need no stinking General Manager" - Vinny ShartFace Cerrato

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"Get the skill players some run this year, draft O-linemen with at least 2 of the first 3 picks for next year."

The smart money in this year's draft are on the teams with more draft picks, especially multiple #1s and #2s.

Why? Because the rules will likely be more stringent about rookie salaries and bonuses in 2011 if a new agreement is reached. Agents know that and so there should be more talented juniors available in this draft. That would include QBs and offensive lineman.

So, what you may see will be teams rich in picks trading down to get more picks and using them on promising juniors. Surely there are some promising junior QBs one could obtain in a later round. The would be cheap and so easier to put on the bench and train for 3 years before starting them. Versus drafting a top QB in the draft and killing the salary cap. That is what the smart teams will do. Are the Redskins a smart team? No they may be the stupidest of all. See pursuit of Sanchez and Cutler for reference.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

ESPN just reported on the NFL pre-show tonight the Skins were paying "very close" attention to what happens to the OK QB Bradford.

Posted by: rmcazz | November 2, 2009 8:21 PM |

Interesting. Suppose he shows up at the Combine and wows everyone with his throwing. You still have no idea what will happen the first time he gets clobbered by a DL. One of the big draft mysteries is when he gets selected. If he had not been injured it would have been tough for the Skins to select him since there probably will be quite a few teams with QB needs that will be ahead of them in the draft order.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

We continue with Snidley GM with VP of player personnel Cerrato his henchman.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse
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I'm not sure if this is substantive, but I thought the GM was underneath *giggety* the VP of Football Operations (Vinny got promoted)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Dolphins and Falcons turned it around in one season with new management, a new philosophy, and only a few tweaks to the roster. I keep hearing everyone rave about Cower, Marty, Gruden, Holmgren, Dungy, Shanny...Name a SB winning head coach that has come out of retirement and won it again. I don't think it has ever happened. Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Gibbs...three of the best could not get it done. Yet, at this point, most Skins fans simply want to be in the chase. I hope the fans force the issue by not showing up to the home games! Maybe once Danny sees an empty upper deck and a lower deck full of signs insulting him and Vinny - he will realize that he has been a complete clueless moron who has taken away the fun of being a Redskins fan for so many of us!!

Posted by: ecgolder | November 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

@MrRedskin21 regarding your comment: "RWing POS Largent"

Tell me about it! I can't believe that these Conservatives have the audacity to stand up for liberty, private property, personal responsibility, capitalism, the pursuit of happiness and the civil society.

What is this world coming to?!

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

@MrRedskin21 regarding your comment: "RWing POS Largent"

Tell me about it! I can't believe that these Conservatives have the audacity to stand up for liberty, private property, personal responsibility, capitalism, the pursuit of happiness and the civil society.

What is this world coming to?!

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 8:45 PM |

Careful there buddy, this blog is full of pinko commie lefties.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Semantics, but Vinny is not the GM. He has the same title as Mr. Bill Parcells does in Miami. Parcells hired a talented GM, but apparently GMs are for sissies.

Parcells:
Executive Vice President-Football Operations
Jeff Ireland
General Manager

Cerrato:
Executive Vice President-Football Operations

[Doh, I guess Vinny begged Danny for the same title as Parcells. :) Yes, Vinny you are just as good as Bill ... so says his mom. :) But Vinny, Vinny show me the GM who reports to you as Jeff Ireland does to Parcells? Not there. As the REAL GM is owner Dan Snyder and you report to him, dontcha Vinny?]

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me about it! I can't believe that these Conservatives have the audacity to stand up for liberty, private property, personal responsibility, capitalism, the pursuit of happiness and the civil society."

Wow, excuse me while I puke....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't want Holmgren as coach anyway. I can't stand him and never have. I am not sticking up for Snyder or anyone but things have been done for a reason like taking the calling of plays away from Zorn. At least things are being tried and done. I have no idea of what the answers to the Skins problems are because they are so intertwined and it took time to get this way and it will take time to get out of it. I just wish that certain former coaches would think before they speak because they don't even know the entire situation. HAIL!!!!

Posted by: ladyredskins | November 2, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:29 PM |

Mr. Periculum. Dude. Just to inform you that you have been duly reported to the proper authorities re your unauthorized disclosure of ESPN and Scouts Inc proprietary information. You never know if you're the one they drop the hammer on. You might want to put your assets in your wife's name, if you have one - a wife that is.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow, excuse me while I puke....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 8:50 PM |

Yep, just the response I expected. You libs hate those things.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

haha yeah i agree with everyone above as Vinny's title is "VP of football ops" but just imagine how THRILLED we would be now if in fact Vinny had been canned mid-season?!?!?!
i can only speak for myself, but i'd imagine a lot of you fellow fans would openly root for this team to stink the rest of this season. last thing i want now is a 6-10 season. 2-14 would be goldmine, cause if Snyder hopefully DOESN'T renew Vinny's contract we'll HOPEFULLY have a REAL GM that will make good use of our top 5 pick.

Posted by: kman2 | November 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

ESPN just reported on the NFL pre-show tonight the Skins were paying "very close" attention to what happens to the OK QB Bradford.

-------------------------------------------

Good. This guy is as accurate as they come. If his shoulder is ok and he is available then you absolutely draft him.

You can draft OL with the 2nd, 4th and 5th round picks and supplement that with a free agent signing or two.
2nd - OT
4th - G
5th - C

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The (R) stands for rich, racist or retarded. Which camp do fall into scamp?

Posted by: mack1 | November 2, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

No thank you to sexy 1st round QB pick

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

The (R) stands for rich, racist or retarded. Which camp do fall into scamp?

Posted by: mack1 | November 2, 2009 8:56 PM

Ah there's your typical "open minded" liberal.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Vice Chairman of the Dolphins: Don Schula
(He has a superbowl ring and NFL championships)
Chief Operating Officer Mike Dees.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess we could say the D stands for dumba$$, dooshbag, or do boy. Which are you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The (R) stands for rich, racist or retarded. Which camp do fall into scamp?

Posted by: mack1 | November 2, 2009 8:56 PM

Ah there's your typical "open minded" liberal.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 8:58 PM

I knew you'd pick the last one.

Posted by: mack1 | November 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I figured you for all 3.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. Suppose he shows up at the Combine and wows everyone with his throwing. You still have no idea what will happen the first time he gets clobbered by a DL. One of the big draft mysteries is when he gets selected. If he had not been injured it would have been tough for the Skins to select him since there probably will be quite a few teams with QB needs that will be ahead of them in the draft order.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

We should give him #20, since he's going to be the 20th QB we chased out of town since 1993.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 2, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Yup, RI still a drag goodnight all

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

@mack1
it can also stand for (R)esponsibility
as in personal responsibility.


@chrislarry
what is your plan? stick with JC at QB?

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana - 3rd round pick
Tom Brady - 6th round pick
Drew Brees - 2nd round pick
Brett Favre - 2nd round pick
Kurt Warner - arena football

number of superbowl won by those 5 QBs - 9

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana - 3rd round pick
Tom Brady - 6th round pick
Drew Brees - 2nd round pick
Brett Favre - 2nd round pick
Kurt Warner - arena football

number of superbowls won by those 5 QBs - 9

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

@mack1
it can also stand for (R)esponsibility
as in personal responsibility.

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 9:04 PM |

He's a lefty, he doesn't understand what that is. He needs his gov't to tell him what he should do and then take other people's money and give it to him so he can do it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I figured you for all 3.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:02 PM

Zing!

Posted by: mack1 | November 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I figured you for all 3.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:02 PM

Zing!

Posted by: mack1 | November 2, 2009 9:07 PM |

Leave it to a lib to miss the post completely.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

if we have a top 5 pick, would u guys pick up Okung from Ok.St, or trade down to try and get multiple 2nd rounders?

Posted by: kman2 | November 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"That bothered me a lot," Holmgren said. "Jim Zorn is one of the nice people. I'm a nice guy, but I'm not that nice. Jim Zorn is really a nice man. What they did, I did not like it at all."


Hey $nyder,
I think it's safe to say you can cross Holmgren off your list of futility you moron.

Posted by: hessone | November 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

joek443 , that represents 5 times in 31 years. I don't like those odds.

The likelihood of hitting on a 1st round QB is about 1 in 2. If Bradford is healthy then he is the next franchise QB.
We can draft him and sit him for a season while he gets stronger and while we build up our OL.

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

no wouldnt keep JC, but would rather shop four younger journeymen qbs while we build blood and guts positions at top of draft. to much money and resources tied up in top draft pick qbs and then if they dont work you are F'ed.

nfl is riddled with reclamation project qbs or second chance guys.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering how full Campbell's pants are right now watching the Falcons' pass rush.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 2, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scoot21 | November 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@chrislarry

Which younger journeyman QB?

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I can also name numerous first round busts at QB

Ryan Leaf
Heath Shuler
Akili Smith
Andre Ware
Todd Marinovich
Jim Druckenmiller
Tim Couch
Alex Smith
David Carr

it's NOT about where you pick your players, it's about WHO picks the players.

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

i would have to study rosters, David Garrard might be available. He has sucked this year, but as been a winner and has legs to run away from pass rush. My point is I don't want to spend a ton of blood and treasure on a dude who is gonna get destroyed behind our line. Draft oline, all day and night with maybe a LB/RB thrown in there for balance.

tyler thigpen maybe

build along the lines, and add depth...position yourself to be ready as a TEAM to take stud qb in a few years.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

ya, probably been covered up here, but I've been a consistent JC backer and I still am. What else can you do?

But I'm watching both these QBs throw balls to (very) covered receivers for big gains and/or first downs and I say...sigh.

Consistency must be nice.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Sportstalk 980 says Skins may trade for Matt Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Sportstalk 980 says Skins may trade for Matt Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

trade who? what? MM for ML?!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

wow that atl just vertical jumped a country mile!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Sportstalk 980 says Skins may trade for Matt Leinhart.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:42 PM |

Call 'em up and splain to 'em the trade deadline's already passed. Maybe next year.

Posted by: League-Source | November 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

atl DB...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

great, another QB with a slow release

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY.....

WHY CAN'T WE PLAY FOOTBALL LIKE THIS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET A MICHAEL TURNER? WHO THE HELL IS PIERRE THOMAS?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana - 3rd round pick
Tom Brady - 6th round pick
Drew Brees - 2nd round pick
Brett Favre - 2nd round pick
Kurt Warner - arena football

number of superbowls won by those 5 QBs - 9

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 9:06 PM

Add the following to the list:

Mark Rypien - 6th round pick
Joe Theismann - 4th round pick
Roger Staubach - 10th round pick
Bart Starr - 17th round pick
Ken Stabler - 2nd round pick
Brad Johnson - 9th round pick

That's 11 QB's and 17 SB wins. So you don't have to be a first rounder to be a good QB? Of coarse we can make a list of 1st rounders as long as this one I'm sure.
And remember what your Redskin players say, "a win is a win".

Posted by: hessone | November 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Romo-

They were talking about for next year.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Steve Bartowski was better than Jason Campbell....


Come to think about it...so was Archie Manning.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET A MICHAEL TURNER? WHO THE HELL IS PIERRE THOMAS?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

how about Ray Rice of the Ravens??

Posted by: joek443 | November 2, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

archie manning was good as heck, just played on dog teams.....

pierre thomas was good last year and showed flashes 3 seasons ago...

there are 20/25 reasons these two teams are better than skins.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

RR,

What do you think? Change of pace? More of the same? Trade for what exactly?

I was offering satire by offering Marko for Leinhart.

It's almost not any fun up here anymore, the problem lies with_____(exec)

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

You can draft OL with the 2nd, 4th and 5th round picks and supplement that with a free agent signing or two.
2nd - OT
4th - G
5th - C

Posted by: fpickering | November 2, 2009

You could also possibly draft a far better junior QB in the 2nd or 4th rounds. Drafting yet another QB with that 1st is very Snyderato and completely unproductive both in terms of the salary cap and in terms of the long interminable wait for said QB to come of age. I say No to Snyderato approaches to the draft and that's what this is.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

rick,

I'm enjoying good football and rooting for Grilliams, can't help myself.

I'm very stimulated by geniuses.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Greg Blache: When we play the Saints, cover the post.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Holy Crap!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The likelihood of hitting on a 1st round QB is about 1 in 2. If Bradford is healthy then he is the next franchise QB.
We can draft him and sit him for a season while he gets stronger and while we build up our OL.

Posted by: fpickering

Kind of like drafting congress critter Schuler? Ramsey or Campbell? Sounds like fpickering could be the nomdeplume for Danny Snyder.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Man.

Why isn't Gregg Williams coaching for us again?

Oh, right. Because our owner is a wiener.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm very stimulated by geniuses. And Wieners.

Love,

Snyder

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

hey stats officiandos:
pass att;pass comp;comp pct;pass yds;pass tds;pass int;rate;sacked;games won;games lost;#rcvrs catching a pass
QB A:
206;136;66.0;1481;8;7;85.8;20;2;5;10
QB B:
239;153;64.0;1677;11;11;80.8;14;4;3;11

PERICUPABLUM check that out with your SCOUT magazine, (cub scout) huh. do you actually read any of that snarky trash. guess you believe in the tooth fairy too.

that is your #1 favorite QB and the whiney brat you thought so little of. both have pourous off lines but it seems at least whiney brat might give a chance to win more than 3 games this year.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | November 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

All the elite teams in the NFL have two to three backs that can take it to the house
!!!!!!!

Who we got? Portis, Betts, and Cartwright!!!!!

LAUGHABLE!!!!!!


Greg Williams is no genius! He has an OFFENSE...WITH A GREAT QB...WITH A GREAT ALL PURPOSE BACK...WITH YOUNG, FAST RECEIVERS...WITH AN O-LINE!!!!!

I wonder if ol' Antwaan Randle-El will be able to outrun this Saints' defense???

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow. That might be the worst FG kick I've ever seen in an NFL game.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

There is not one player on this Redskins offense that is not expendable!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

If Mike was so bothered by this, why didn't he offer to help JZ out when the offense sucked, and continues to suck?? Sorry, but I'm not co-signing on this pity party for JZ. Boo-hoo, he got the playcalling duties taken away. Well guess what, he had 22, or more games to make it work, and he didn't...Mike would be better served by calling JZ on the down-low, and telling him to score more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

this post represents the tardness of some of the people who post on this blog. Zorn is the most disrespected coach all due to the lackadaisical players the management GIVES HIM. why are they sloppy and not EVER trying to show up for a big game, it's because they are overpaid, and it's never their fault, always someone else's. you think zorn wanted to draft chad rinehart? or whats that punters name who was an immediate bust? stop being such a moron and in realize your denial because you give the redskins thousands of dollars each year for a crappy product. you get ripped off man, and i would be angry too, but not to a point that makes me completely ignorant of whats happening in the real world. i mean for christ' sake, the GM has a radio show! this team is and it's fans are an absolute joke! ran by a clown (cerrato) and a man who has NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING (snyder). it's ok though, once they sign another overpriced / overrated veteran in the offseason to address some "need" i'm sure it's all rainbows and bandwagons from there, god you are stupid. what is mike holmgren gonna do to "help out?" so dumb, that comment is so dumb.

Posted by: BMACattack | November 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Well when Zorn is unfairly canned, I guess Holmgren won't be on the short list. I just hope it is not Shanahan. His defences got worse and worse in Denver, and his talent evaluation was spotty at best. Shanny did not win a thing without Elway.

Posted by: scoot21 | November 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

BMAC...

Zorn needs to swallow some too...he continues to field players that are ineffective.

Why he still had ARE returning punts shows his stupidity. We heard all this talk about how our young receivers weren't ready to play...seems like other teams' young receivers do just fine.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

ricky, grilliams has helped the saints enourmously....they had the exact same offense last year and missed playoffs.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

problem with skins in descending order

snyder supremely sucks
vinny royally sucks
zorn fundamentally sucks
players basically suck


that kind of suckitude is hard to overcome.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Who's got JC's Blindside?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

could have been m. oher....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

RW! 22 just had a chance!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Who's got JC's Blindside?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:36 PM |

Mr. Magoo.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Rague festivale...

You buttonhooked me!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The problem here is, everything!The owner is just a meddling fool!(throw money at the problem and we fix it)nope that does not work.OK my president of football ops can fix it,lets never address our off. line.hmm that's a good enough line to take us to the playoffs.(damn everyone got hurt,and we had no depth)!well let"s try someone else to call the plays for a (quarterbacks coach)I mean head coach who is a nice guy but way in over his head.strip him of his dignity and make him the problem.anyway i could go on and on but Jack Kent Cooke would never ever put this team of idiots together to run this team,until Mr, Snyder puts together a serious football management team this is the product we are going to have for a very very long time!where is John Kent Cooke,we need you now!!!

Posted by: just_call_me_shell | November 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

problem with skins in descending order

snyder supremely sucks
vinny royally sucks
zorn fundamentally sucks
players basically suck

that kind of suckitude is hard to overcome.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 10:34 PM |

Carrying the coals to Newcastle, are we? This is something all of us already knew so it sucks along with everything else you mentioned.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | November 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

It's this simple.
We don't have the players to run the WCO.
This team was built to run Gibbs Offense. (Coryell)
Cooley was drafted for that (remember when he was an H-Back), and JC was too.

It's not so much Zorns fault (even though I despise the WCO), as it is non football people making football decisions.

Even I can bake a cake with the recipe, but not if I don't have all the ingredients.

Posted by: jberry73 | November 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vic1, before you go all b**ch made and start co-signing for your boyfriends up here know a couple of things:

1) Don't nann ma'fucca own the boy, RedDMV on this here blog. I'm one of a kind, often duplicated, but CAN NOT be duplicated. The only person to EVER own the boy was about 7 years ago when I was a juve, YA DIG?

2) Ain't no dumbass named 'chia' going to ever get the one up on me, except when the chia is a bush below a chic's waist line, YA DIG? And even then I don't dig on the bush whether it be from your mama, on in a swisher, feel me? I think I made him bow out for that day if I can recall correctly, but since you're so into backtracking post ans sh**, I'm sure you're do your best to refute this claim, fuccboy.

3) If you ain't know Cork's VERY high on D-Hall dissin'. So it's NO surprise that he'll go and defend someone bashing Hall. Kinda like you hatin' on the DMV dude, with all your bs co-signing. If it's one thing I can't stand it's little puss-ass dudes such as yourself blog-shook to man up and post somethin' straight up. Don't be a little b**ch and hide behind another's dissin, YA DIG?

Murdered? What the f do yo ol' soft ass know anything about murdering, s***? Only thing you know about "murdering" is your own bama ass c*ck, b**ch!

In closing I want to offer the customary RedDMV "F you and your muthaf-ing mama".

One.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I fault Vinny for missing Chase Utley. I want anyone that clutch on my team, regardless of sport.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh and it's obvious that TheCork is heavily suffering from RedDMV envy. He was one of the first to compliment the boy, on the "cut of his jib" 'cause that's how I puts it down.

Yeah b**ches, it's a new day up here. Full of the "nuccas from the hood". Problem is I'm moving into the 'burbs and all the residents is sh**ten their draws, because when one moves in the rest come pour in.

Yeah fuccas, I'm going to be bumpin my "booty music", keeping my front yard lookin' s**tty, and throwing BBQ's on a Wednesday at 11PM!!!

What!!! Who got a damn problem?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to find the post Red just went off on, but lost interest about halfway up.

Musta been especial.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Football is pretty entertaining when its played by young, talented, athletic players. Skins will get better when they start fielding some fast, athletic players - like Marko.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 2, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Red,

Who, and what are you in real life?

cuz we know you play the baaaaaadazz on da blog.

My feeling is you're overcompensating, but more importantly, you're... ahhhhhhhh, forget it.

Your booty is bigger than anyone else's, that's what matters.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Football is entertaining when the fat guys in the trenches are young, strong, and can play football.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 2, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV got a big ole booty.

His booty so big, it span across Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia.

plus he funny.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV booty so big, the booty need it's own zipcode.

Plus his booty talks.

so an area code is in order as well.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV = Big ole booty

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

That's why we suck! We don't have Magic Mouthpieces!

I mean, except for Vinny.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 2, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Not only is RedDMV sportin' a big ole booty, but we like the "cut of his jib."

and that man knows his football.

and he's funny.

and RedDMV is edgy, very edgy.

and he's a real straight shooter.

and he can curse up a storm on da blog.

but don't make him angry, cuz he's a baaaaadazz.

this is why we are all green with envy of RedDMV.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I *heart* RedDMV.

There, I said it.

I want to lick his sack.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

yikes

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

or maybe just hold his hand.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

If RedDMV was my dog, I'd take him for long walks, and take his collar off when we got home, and feed him ice cream, and pet him constantly, except for when we're sleeping, and he can sleep on my bed if he wants, but if not, I'll buy him a nice sheepskin rug for him to lay on in front of the fire.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 2, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

So to recap, the Saints are really good, the Falcons are pretty good, Chia Pet is prone to some fairly uncomfortable moments up here, and the Redskins are going to get crushed Sunday in Atlanta... awesome...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 2, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

chia = weirdo

Posted by: toohoes | November 3, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

From watching this game tonight, I think Drew Brees is marginally better than Jason Campbell.

Which reminds me, I keep forgetting to look up the definition of "marginally." I hope I'm using it right.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 3, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

The only person to EVER own the boy was about 7 years ago when I was a juve, YA DIG?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2009 10:59 PM

-----------

Wait a second.

RedDMV was an altar boy?

Now that explains everything.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Just caught a glimpse of Mark Brunell on the Saints' sideline and got a bit...wistful.


Now that's meffed up.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 3, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I will never pick another team over the redskins, but I do think I enjoy watching non-skins games more than the skins at this point. At least for actual football.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

What's so weird about wanting to lick a little sack?

Jeeesh!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins, Snyder's Redskins?

I don't care about them.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

At this point, I'd root for the Cowboys.

but I don't care for their uniforms.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

And conversely, cL, I bet you wouldn't subject yourself to watching a game played as badly as the Skins have been playing them, if the Skins weren't one of the teams participating...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

red, about 10 years ago i was listening to howard stern and some guy called in and said he could give himself a bj...that was you! nice talent! here's a quarter and please don't do it up here again. that was nasty. nastier than a two girls and a cup.

what's wrong with you? are things really that bad in real life? and what the faakh is wrong with chia? WTF?! i thought you were "normal"?

and this is a drive by...sorry...i know but i really don't have the time that you seem to have(lemme guess 5 point vet preference?)...actually i'm here until this game ends...

would love to see OT

Posted by: dealer1 | November 3, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

And I know I'm late on this one, but for whatever it's worth I heartily second ksquare's comment at 4:36PM above...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Nah, Nate.

Naaaaaaaaaaah.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

yo dealer how'd you like that fantasy beat down i gave ya!

and nate if i wasnt a skins fan and they were on....id have it like while i did chores or whateves...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 3, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Normal?

Naaaaaah.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Chase Utley > Garrick Utley

Posted by: freakzilla | November 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

cl, that was you?...i'm on a bad skid...i'm going to limp into the playoffs...atleast that's my hope...

hey you know who's pitching for the phillies in game 6? i guess it'll be petite for the yanks?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

ESPN just reported on the NFL pre-show tonight the Skins were paying "very close" attention to what happens to the OK QB Bradford.

*****

Unless you heard something differently than I did...this was NOT the way it went down.

Adam Schefter reported that Sam Bradford had his surgery done by the famous Dr. Andrews who is the Redskins surgeon and since they trust Dr. Andrews work so much, Schefter "speculated" the Skins might have interest in Bradford in the draft. Very farfetched and pure speculation by Schefter.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 3, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

lisa, you have to stop listening to these BS reports. skins are the most profitable franchise in the nfl because of us, fans...so any stupid little thing that comes up that MIGHT interest us...they have to mention it to get us buzzing...it's really annoying. bottom line is if vinny is here next year there will be armageddon in this town...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 3, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

i'm out...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 3, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I'd prefer it if the team I love weren't the subject of a story which explains why it makes sense that they're interested in a QB who's recovering from a grievous injury to his throwing shoulder... because, hey, I know he's had a coupla dings, but the doc who operated on him is really, really good! And it makes perfect sense, because you can hear that very same rationalizing in Ashburn right now...

Hey, Danny, Vinny, I know you can't see this, but I'm flipping you the bird right now. Double barreled, too. You ridiculous chooches...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh and nads.

and by the way, Mr. RedDMV

twas you who mysteriously disappeared from da blog after our little blog fight.

not me sir.

it was you who ran away.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

but yes, sometimes RedDMV sullies my taste for da blog, in much the same way Snyder sullies my taste for the Redskins.

and good to see you emoting Nate.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

but more importantly, RedDMV

can we just kiss and make up already?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

and for Dan Snyder:

time to admit you're powerless

make an inventory of your transgressions.

etc...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a huge fan of Holmgren anyways

That's hate speech!

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

12 steps for Dan Snyder:

1. We admitted we were powerless - that our football team had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore our football team to competitiveness.

3. Made a decision to turn our football team over to the care of a competent General Manager as we understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to the fans, to ourselves and to another NFL owner the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have a good General Manager remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with a good General Manager as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message and to practice these principles in all our affairs as owner of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Holmgren said. "Jim Zorn is one of the nice people. I'm a nice guy, but I'm not that nice. Jim Zorn is really a nice man. What they did, I did not like it at all."

Is he channeling Patrick Swayze, or what? Bet he called in from the pottery wheel...

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

chia, are you directly under a heating duct or something? Dehydration is a very dangerous threat.

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

And Casserly engineered the trade with New Orleans, still got Bailey, and drafted Lavar and Samuels the next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 2, 2009 3:11 PM

So he was here for that draft. I wasn't sure.

Posted by: TWISI | November 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yep. He deftly switched the #5 overall for the #12 overall (took Champ) and got all of N.O. picks that year + a 1st & 3rd in "00.

Casserly was rewarded for his fleecing by getting fired at the end of the '99 season.

Casserly was the last Skins GM to make a trade and actually get MORE draft picks in return. What a lost concept......

F SNYDER!


Posted by: ksquare | November 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

All true except the Redskins drafted Champ with the 7th pick in 1999. Charlie traded the 5th pick in the draft for the Saint's entire draft. The Redskins traded Sean Gilbert to the Carolina Panthers in 1998 for the Panthers'first round picks in 1999 and 2000. This was all done by Casserly.

Vinny arrives and in 1999 and is credited with drafting Arrington #2 and Samuels #3. Zero credit for Vinny, These were obvious no brainers even for Vinny, although they were seriously considering Peter Warrick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder, take note:

Lerner sacks General Manager:

Cleveland Browns GM George Kokinis refused to resign when pressed by owner Randy Lerner, who then persisted in seeking a dismissal "for cause," citing Kokinis for failing to meet the specific standards as dictated by his contract, the sources said. The team's security and legal department were reviewing phone records to build its case against Kokinis, a team source said.

Lerner told the Plain Dealer and Akron Beacon-Journal on Sunday he would like to bring in a "strong, credible, serious leader" to help run his team.

"The highest priority that I have is a strong, credible, serious leader within the building to guide decisions in a far more conspicuous, open transparent way," Lerner said Sunday, according to the Plain Dealer. "I can maybe defend decisions by saying I've sought advice and I've brought people in, and we've gone to see people -- and I think my highest priority is to have a stable figure that represents the voice that explains the decisions."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Eric Mangini said he shared Lerner's distaste for the Browns' putrid performance so far.

"But I also believe in the things that we're doing and I understand it doesn't happen overnight," he said. "There's not one formula in terms of specific ingredients, but there is a very specific approach that you have to take and I believe in that. It has been successful. It will be successful here."

Ernie Accorsi, former general manager of the New York Giants, Baltimore Colts and Browns, is being sought by Lerner as a consultant, a league source said.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

-By Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter
ESPN

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Time for the Redskins to take care of the rat in their kitchen.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 3, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

For the idiots, fools, and all-pro chuckleheads full of pencil breath who think the real problem with this team is Jason Campbell, his fumbles, etc. and that any other quarterback could do better ... how about these game notes pencil-heads?
Drew Brees has turned the ball over six times (four interceptions, two fumbles) in the past two games. ... Matt Ryan has seven interceptions in his last three games.

Posted by: periculum | November 3, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

"I think my highest priority is to have a stable figure that represents the voice that explains the decisions."

Okay, so Lerner is seeking someone whose job it will be to represent the voice that explains the front office's decisions. So to draw a parallel, this would be like Dan Snyder's deciding that Redskin media mouthpiece Larry Michael needed a legal spokesperson for himself. Or something.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 3, 2009 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Go NATS.

Posted by: periculum | November 3, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn. Fire Vinny. Boycott Snyder. Bench and release Campbell. Get a new offensive line. Leave the defense alone. Promote Greg Blache to head coach.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | November 3, 2009 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Dunno if this has been posted already, interesting thoughts re where the balance of blame lies...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/11/02/redskins-skin-deep-in-chaos

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 3, 2009 4:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure Holmgren was thinking of Washington when he made those East Coast comments, but rather NY or Philly. It's doubtful Holmgren or Cowher would go to Washington, and it's not just because of Zorn, but rather Shottenheimer.

This is now Washington's dilemma. What 'name' coach would ever want to go there when it's such a career-killer and with such management.

Cowher is probably headed to Dallas anyway, unless they go really deep this year. Philips is likely gone. JJ is a meddler too, but a much more sophisticated one that Snyder, and he gave Parcells control over all football issues with no tensions.

Posted by: gadstian | November 3, 2009 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Cowher is probably headed to Dallas anyway, unless they go really deep this year.

Posted by: gadstian | November 3, 2009 4:48 AM

Cowher is going to Carolina. That's where he lives.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Who in their right mind is going to come here to this circus? No one of any repute. They'll have to get some assistant coach or maybe a tv color guy. They do everything wrong.The franchise is devalued,the erosion of a once fanatical fan base is real. And the owner and his buddy are running this team off the road and into the ditch.

Posted by: ridgely1 | November 3, 2009 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Holmgren was never coming here anyway...I love how people assume that big-name coaches are coming here despite the mistreatment of people close to them. Like Cowher coming to D.C.--completely retarded when you take into account Marty is his mentor. No chance that happens. And Holmgren would really come here on the heels of the brutal rape and sodomy of Jim Zorn. No way.

If Danny lands a big name, it'll be someone who made that big name in college. Or he'll have to settle for another no-name assistant just like Jim Zorn.

Sucks to be a Skins fan...that'll teach me for laughing at the Raiders.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

from the PFW article:
Fueling Gruden's potential future involvement with the team is the consulting work currently being done by former Buccaneers GM Bruce Allen, who teamed up with Gruden in Tampa Bay.

Excuse me, can you run that one by me again? Who is doing consulting work for the skins? Why weren't we informed Up Here? Another set of eyes for the VP of FO?

Posted by: daggar | November 3, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember hearing that either, Daggar. I heard rumors about it but never heard anything official. Seems like everything these guys do is under the dark of night nowadays...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Should Abstinence be filed right next to abortion and homosexuality under 'Govt. Conspiracy' for population control?

Posted by: Vicc | November 3, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | November 3, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

This is going to be the longest 9 games that I can remember. Really is there anything to look forward to this season? Somebody give me something please....hopes for new HC, GM, best case scenario?

Posted by: FedorEm | November 3, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Wait a sec. THIS is a playoff roster. If Samuels and Thomas can get healthy next year...........watch out! Plus we have some picks to provided the depth we need at TE and WR.

Posted by: donsilvester | November 3, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Ummm... so now it's about being NICE to people?!

Really?

What's so nice about punchin' somebody in the mouth?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

If Danny lands a big name, it'll be someone who made that big name in college. Or he'll have to settle for another no-name assistant just like Jim Zorn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2009 6:42 AM

He can get a big name. There will be a contract with a monster-sized early termination clause and other clauses to prevent meddling by the owner. Plus a stake through Vinnie Cerrato's heart.

Posted by: League-Source | November 3, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I wouldnt want Holmgren here anyway..i dont see where he did so great in Seattle. Its a weak division and he had the league MVP in his prime the year they went to the Super Bowl. Other than that, he had Favre to make him look good...Give me a guy whos a good leader and smart...screw nice...this ain't the peewee league...whats next? everyone on the roster has to play a down??

Posted by: scottmando | November 3, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

It's almost laughable how many are bashing Zorn for his play calling. While forgetting that he's calling plays with a QB that Gibbs selected (for Joe), a RB picked by Joe (for Gibbs in a trade of a future hall of fame CB), a poor O line picked by Vinny, 3 young WR's picked by Vinnie (who didn't pick Philly's WR instead). And its Zorn's fault.
LOL

At your job, how do managers do in the long run when managing employees for years that they didn't pick?

Posted by: kedavis | November 3, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Zorn only became a HC in the NFL because of the flawed process used by the Redskins.

The team was going to hire Jim Fassel and have Zorn as the OC, but the reaction to Fassel was strong enough for Snyder to question himself and decide to go with the unknown Zorn in a gamble based upon his confidence in his ability to pick the right person.

Well, as we all know for the past 10 years Dan Snyder in terms of coaches and players has RARELY ended up picking the right person.

The only personnel move I will give him is when he was upset that Marty took Rod Gardner at #15 in 2001 instead of Santana Moss who went one pick later to the Jets.

That's the only move I remember that Snyder specifically called that worked out.

Posted by: leopard09 | November 3, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

First, let me address Holmgren's comments. He is right in how this was handled. No doubt it was a classic screw up by the Keystone Cops that we call management. But, Holmgren needs to also be honest about Zorn. If Holmgren thought Zorn was that good why did he not pick him as his replacement in Seatle? Why didn't he pick him as OC? I think if Holmgren was being honest he would admit that Zorn was not ready.

The problem with Washington starts with management and ends with coaching. Each one of these guys is the reason for the bad play on the field. First, you get what you pay for. Why in the world would any sane person think that a guy, who only has been a position coach, can now be a successful head coach? Yeah, it happens but it is so rare. This was awful from the start. Then, you come to draft day and your solution is to pick three receivers? One of who has no speed, is hurt and cannot separate from Dbs. Nice job management. Also, even with all the bad in what you have done you still need to support your coach. You are part of the reason the guy is over his head.

Now, Zorn sucks. Not worse than management but he is not ready for primetime. What makes a good coach is one who takes his talent and builds around his talent. Not one that takes his system and fits his talent into that system. Now, you have to blame management for taking a coach with a west coast system when you have a team built for a vertical passing game. Stupid! But, Zorn also must be held accountable for not fitting the system around his talent. You can't run the same plays when your talent can't execute that type of play.

Finally, the offensive line! Does anyone know how the west coast offense started? Under Bill Walsh when he became OC for the Bengals. It was built because the Bengals line was so bad it was a way to run and pass the ball with a bad line. Now, how come we cannot adjust? Part of coaching is taking what you have and making it work. It sucks that you have no line. Management is once again at fault. But coach a little and be creative. You think Gibbs wanted to run heavy jumbo everytime? No but he knew he had no line and he had to do what he could to get a win. Let go of the dream Zorn and play a different brand of ball.

With any hope Obama will give federal stimulus money to DC, we can buy the Redskins and be happy once again with Dan the Man gone. Oh Jack Kent Cooke where are you when I need you.

Posted by: zman1 | November 3, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

play calling will not be considered better until they beat a good team-convincingly! that will not happen until the OL is built up. zorn is only a small part of the problem. he can only do so much with what was given to him...a shabby offensive line, an aging running back that does not practice during the week and a quarterback that has not grown in all the time he has been here. i can remember larry brown being run into the ground by george allen,but he always showed up ready to give his all- not like alot of players today!

Posted by: astroman215aolcom | November 3, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

HEY!!!! Cleveland Browns GM got the boot!!! Is this a sign of better things to come in Washington?

"And now Kokinis has left, gone without a word."

I hope the twit leaves the same way...

Posted by: cbmuzik | November 3, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Just like at my job.
We have problems that leadership created due to their bad decisions (see Enron, GM, Gannett/USA Today, Redskins, Raiders, Wizards, GW Bush as examples you can relate to what I'm saying, poor outcomes - blame the lowest level of supervison/management. Zorn in this case, who didn't create the lousey culture of losing/mediocrity, high staff turnover, etc...

Remember, Gibbs II didn't go far either.

Posted by: kedavis | November 3, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Leadership starts at the top and the Redskins have a terrible owner in Dan Snyder who has a yes man running his day to day operations. It was inevitable that any good that came from the Gibbs V2 regime would end with the Vinster in charge.

Hiring Zorn was a symptom, not a cause of bad management. The entire interview process was handled very poorly and none of the top assistant coaches like Spagnulo or Schwartz would have considered coming here. Only a recycled former head coach like Fassel would have accepted the coaching job after Williams was passed over when he was supposed to be the next in line.

You get what you pay for when you hire people in any profession. Unqualified, inexperienced people usually fail when put into positions they are not equipped to handle. Zorn's failures as a coach were predictable and now it's up to Snyder to hold himself accountable and fix the mess.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 3, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs was inexperienced in 1981, having never been a head coach be4.

Jimmy Johnson was an inexperience NFL head coach in 1989.

Bill Walsh was an inexpeienced NFL head coach in 1980.

Goerge W. Bush had been an experienced governmrnt leader, having been governor of a large state. And...

Marty came here with experience.
And...

When inexperience or experience works for and under poor leadersip, the result is the same.

When inexperience or inexperience works for good leadership, they succeed.

See the afore-mentioned examples...

Posted by: kedavis | November 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

This is not really about whether Zorn shold be fired. Sherm Lewis coming in to call plays was a blatant move to get Zorn to quit and forfeit his contract. Zorn may be unqualified at this point in his career to be a head coach, but he did not deserve this emasculation. And Holmgren (and Steve Largent) called Snyder out on it. Redskin fans better get used to to idea that no established NFL coaching talent is going to touch this job as long as Snyder is owner. This move has lasting repercussions far beyond the play calling for this season. Holmgren's reaction speaks volumes about how this is viewed in the coaching community. Better hope you hit big on the next young gun looking for an opportunity. Wouldn't Jason Garrett be an ironic choice?

Posted by: ptrick | November 3, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

NO ONE HAS LIKED WHAT HAS GONE ONE WITH THIS TEAM. IN ONE SENSE TAKING PLAY CALLING AWAY FROM ZORN MIGHT HELP TO EXPOSE THE FACT THAT
WITH THE CURRENT GROUP OF PLAYERS(AS A WHOLE..NOT SOME INDIVIDUALS)..THEY DON`T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO WIN NO MATTER WHO CALLS THE PLAYS!!
HOW ABOUT HAVING DANNY "COME ON DOWN" AND BE A GUEST PLAY CALLER. THAT WAY HE WOULD HAVE HANDS ON EXPERIENCE TO MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS.
I can see it now...nooooo you were suppose to go long.................

Posted by: blazerguy234 | November 4, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

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