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It's Time to Head to Camp

We'll be back in full force today at the complex. We usually roll five or six deep for the start of camp, and I've been told our opening lineup will include the new guy, Rick Maese, Barry Svrluga, Paul Tenorio, columnist Tracee Hamilton, intern Ishita Singh, photographer John McDonnell and yours truly.

Although today is only the beginning, I'll be very curious to see whether second-year wide receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly really have made significant strides. With longtime right tackle Jon Jansen having been released in May, will young tackle Stephon Heyer seize an opportunity?

Tackle Mike Williams's stunning weight loss (he has shed around 100 pounds from his high of 450, according to the team) makes for a great human-interest story, but does the former first-round draft pick have anything left? When will first-round pick Brian Orakpo sign and report to camp? Can Orakpo, who was most effective as a hand-down rush end in college, be an effective strong-side linebacker at this level? How long will it take defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to find his comfort level in Ashburn after doing things the Titans' way his entire career?

So many questions. It's time to go. Practice starts at 8:30.

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Know who else is missing from camp? Jon Jansen. And he is still coming to terms with his departure from the team, according to Mike Wise.

By Jason Reid  |  July 30, 2009; 5:43 AM ET
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First in the Power Ratings!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Can Orakpo, who was most effective as a hand-down rush end in college, be an effective strong-side linebacker at this level?

By Jason Reid | July 30, 2009; 5:43 AM ET

If you would reid brownwood's posts, you would already know the answer to this one.

You missed the biggest question: Will this be the year that the Redskins recover from the loss of Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Training camp, baby! Football is BACK!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Can Orakpo, who was most effective as a hand-down rush end in college, be an effective strong-side linebacker at this level?

By Jason Reid | July 30, 2009; 5:43 AM ET

If you would reid brownwood's posts, you would already know the answer to this one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 5:58 AM


I've said before and will now reiterate that I hope I'm wrong, T_E. But know that I'll pull no punches in telling you about yourself if I'm right.

All I know is that Orakpo missing even the first 20 minutes of training camp isn't gonna help.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that Orakpo will show up in training camp unsigned?

Posted by: RedCherokee | July 30, 2009 6:11 AM | Report abuse

RC, that's against the rules. Players not under contract aren't permitted to participate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 6:13 AM | Report abuse

At the start of training camp, Mike Wise writes not about a Redskin, but an ex-Redskin, Jon Jansen:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072903385.html

Sad that Jansen is so bitter about being let go after the way he let the team down last year, and that Wise prints his pitiful whinings. Jon's looking forward to week 3 when they face the Redskins, but I'm betting that Matt Stafford's not unless, of course, Jansen's a backup instead of a starter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 6:23 AM | Report abuse

As much as like the human story of MW345, I am rooting for Heyer to win the starting position. No way MW345 takes 2 years off and is better.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 30, 2009 6:30 AM | Report abuse

So WaPo is sending out an Expeditionary Force on day 1 of training camp. For what? The only things of interest to report on from training camp are:

1. Injuries
2. Absences
3. Signings

Anything else of interest, like all the clouds of uncertainty about the offense and defense that are hanging over Ashburn and have been debated for endless hours on this blog, won't really come into any kind of focus until after the 1st preseason game and then only in bits and pieces.

Posted by: TubularBells | July 30, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

all the clouds of uncertainty about the offense and defense ...won't really come into any kind of focus until after the 1st preseason game and then only in bits and pieces.

Posted by: TubularBells | July 30, 2009 6:34 AM

Probably well after the first preseason game. Like, the first regular season game. Before then, good or bad, "it's only preseason." This is the time of year for individual battles, the time for Marcus Mason to shine.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Sad that Jansen is so bitter about being let go after the way he let the team down last year, and that Wise prints his pitiful whinings. Jon's looking forward to week 3 when they face the Redskins, but I'm betting that Matt Stafford's not unless, of course, Jansen's a backup instead of a starter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 6:23 AM

Hold your sharp tongue...Jansen was a warrior in his 10 years here and played thru two simultaneously broken thumbs and a laundry list of other ailments and played well for the vast majority of his time here. Age and injuries caught up to him at the end. It happens to everyone (except Darrell Green).

The Redskins have done a number of their guys wrong over the years, and the bad mojo seems to always come back and bite them in the @ss. I have a feeling Jansen could be a smaller scale version of Stephen Davis in that he'll put up a really good year in Detroit, being a key factor in a rejuvenation there (sad that a 6-10 season is a rejuvenation) and fall off the face of the earth (if not retire) in 2010. Just a gut feeling...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

No way MW345 takes 2 years off and is better.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 30, 2009 6:30 AM

I'm not convinced of that. He already has better attitude and better conditioning, and that counts for a lot. But, we'll see soon enough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling that MW345 (jm220's cousin?), Heyer, and Bridges will see plenty of action this season. Obviously not all at right tackle but injuries happen.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 30, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, brownwood. I've been over to the Redskins.com site and found that out. Oh well.. at least we'll be able to see Haynesworth and Jarmin. Not to mention Mike Williams.. gosh!

Posted by: RedCherokee | July 30, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Age and injuries caught up to him at the end. It happens to everyone (except Darrell Green).

The Redskins have done a number of their guys wrong over the years,

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 6:43 AM

The only reason it happens is because players won't give up until, like Jansen, they're cut. And then they sign with a new team for a year. Jansen could have retired gracefully as a Redskin but now you think that at 34 he's going to "re-juvenate" the Lions. What part of the word juvenate do you not understand?

As for "doing Jansen wrong" you are more self-deluded than usual. That guy's contract was so up-fronted that he got paid for a few years that he isn't playing (including last year where the 'Skins could write his salary off as a charitable contribution). That was the $6.5 million cap hit the 'Skins took -- money they paid him for services he'll never deliver.

For him to be singing sour grapes after all the money he took is not a sign of the 'Skins "doing him wrong" but of his failure to realize that, as you put it, "age and injuries caught up to him."

So, we'll watch and see if he has the all-Pro year you're predicting for him. I wouldn't be surprised if gets cut in the final cutdowns -- a humiliation that the 'Skins tried to spare him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

"I've seen so many things happen over the last 10 years I shouldn't be surprised," he said. "I just felt I had been there for so long I deserved a little more respect."

Jansen gave a lot to the team but he needs to be real about it. He got beat really bad every game last year

Posted by: jm220 | July 30, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Mr Mayor

No the questions are who will be the interim coach after the Deadskins lose all their preseason games and their first four regular season games? the the question is will the Deadskins finish 3 and 13 or 4 and 12?

And the final question is does Clinton Portis swallow after his meetings with Danny Boy or spit?

Posted by: sheepherder | July 30, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

From two post ago. Mr. Mayor ignore the haters. I love the nickname and you are doing a great job. Giving fair and balance reporting. Happy days are here again.

Posted by: jm220 | July 30, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

have a feeling that MW345 (jm220's cousin?), Heyer, and Bridges will see plenty of action this season. Obviously not all at right tackle but injuries happen.

Posted by: Original_etrod

lol, hey you got to give him much respect for that weight he took off. I am really pulling for him to make the team.

Posted by: jm220 | July 30, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

So, we'll watch and see if he has the all-Pro year you're predicting for him. I wouldn't be surprised if gets cut in the final cutdowns -- a humiliation that the 'Skins tried to spare him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 7:00 AM


Good to see you're in full name-calling mode once again. Just when I start thinking you're an OK guy, you consistently prove me wrong...

First of all, it's common decency to cut a guy at the start of free agency when he has the best chance to catch on with another team and make as good amount of money as possible. Cutting a guy in May when the money has all dried up is a dick move and you know it. Nobody here thinks Jansen would have reeled in a big pay day, but he might have caught on with a team that's not the Lions.

And don't talk to me about Jansen "taking money". The Redskins roster is chock-full of guys who fit that bill, Jansen was never that guy. If the team paid him handsomely, that's not his fault. And the injuries he played thru more than entitled him to every dollar.

Your problem is that you're taking his one down year and applying that to his career and that's wrong. Dude was a top notch all around RT for several years and is a quality addition to any locker room from a character standpoint.

And you couldn't be more ridiculous with that crap about him giving up. I know you're probably some fat mouth-breather whose idea of a diet is eating Pringles instead of pork rinds, but competitive professional athletes make it their business to ensure that they give it all and somehow find more to give when they've got nothing left. Jansen can't be as done as people think he is because he had another gig within 24 hours of being cut. Meanwhile; Derrick Brooks, Marvin Harrison, and Edgerrin James are still looking for work.

And if you're gonna quote someone, do it right. I never said he'd be All-Pro...just that I have a gut feeling he's got more left in the tank than most think and that his performance will help a putrid Lions team improve to mediocre.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Sad that Jansen is so bitter about being let go after the way he let the team down last year, and that Wise prints his pitiful whinings. Jon's looking forward to week 3 when they face the Redskins, but I'm betting that Matt Stafford's not unless, of course, Jansen's a backup instead of a starter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 6:23 AM | Report abuse

I'll bet BOrak and CWils, speed rushers from our left side, are licking theirchops about week 3 also.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 30, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

I think Jansen's got a case of sour grapes. He was a good player for a long time but the team kept him two years longer than it should have.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 30, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

That piece on John Jansen was absolute drivel. The organization treated him just fine, they even went out of their way to make sure he caught on with another team. Not to mention they overpaid him the last couple of years after his skills started declining.

Hello! If you thought of as having anything left in the tank, then why did you end up with the worst team in league history, instead of a contender! That an 0 and 16 team was the only team that wanted you should say enough about your reputation around the league.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 30, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is the sun a little brighter this morning, the breeze a little cooler? Something is different.

Posted by: Gweez | July 30, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

littlegreenb!tch

Spit in one hand and hope in another". Typical moeronic comment. More hash than harsh. First off, if you have two hands you would say ... in one and ... in the other. But if you have more than two hands ... . Anyway, second off, if your game is to tear down why have hope around at all? Just load up with spit in however many hands you have and then ... do something or other I guess. Don't know how having spit in your hands makes your pot shots any better.

If you can read and understand this, blame your English teacher.

If you can't, thank him.

Is this cat hooked on chronic or phonics?


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 30, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"Training camp, baby! Football is BACK"

Gitcha Popcorn ready!!!!

(Ooops: too early in the morning for popcorn.)

I know: Gitcha cup 'o coffee ready!!!

(That's more like it.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 30, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"No way MW345 takes 2 years off and is better...."

A bite from reality, this comment.

Ouch!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 30, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Dude was a top notch all around RT for several years ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 7:32 AM

I agree with this and I have never said otherwise. A great second round pick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

No injuries!!!!!!

Posted by: isnadd | July 30, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

No injuries!!!!!!

Posted by: isnadd | July 30, 2009 8:01 AM

No way. Has to be injuries or it's not the NFL. How about this:

Injuries only to undrafted free agents!!!!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Injuries only to undrafted free agents!!!!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 8:03 AM


No way. Then we'd miss out on the next...Greg, help me out here...Antonio Pierce!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 30, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep!

Posts will be coming fast and rapid and quick today!

HTTR

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 30, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I read the Jansen article. Clearly, it hurt him to be cut, but I think the Redskins handled it fairly well, despite what Jansen thinks. He clearly had lost a step and football's a business where you can't let sentiment over yesterday's battles prevent you from making the tough choices needed to win tomorrow's battles. I wish Jansen well. When he was good, he was about as good a run blocking right tackle as you could wish for, but the team is moving on and it would be the best thing for Jansen to move on as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 30, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

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