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Realistically, Help on the O-Line Isn't Available

Insider readers have sent a ton of e-mail expressing their frustration that the team has not signed any free-agent offensive linemen despite its injury problems in that area.

Many expressed anger and confusion when the Redskins re-signed running back Anthony Alridge to fill the roster spot that opened when starting right guard Randy Thomas suffered a season-ending triceps injury in Week 2 against the St. Louis Rams. And from what I've read on my BlackBerry in the last 30 hours or so, fans are downright furious about the apparent lack of movement after left tackle Chris Samuels, the team's best lineman, suffered a neck injury in the 20-17 loss to the Carolina Panthers. Samuels has been ruled out of Sunday's game against the Kansas City Chiefs at FedExField.

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, are definitely susceptible to criticism for an offseason strategy that failed to adequately address the offensive line, which the team identified as its weakest unit during an internal self-evaluation. But as for their decision not to pursue a free-agent lineman during the season, that's much more understandable.

The reality is there isn't much out there, league sources said. Usually by Week 5, anyone who can play is on a roster somewhere, and we're now in Week 6. The Redskins have done their due diligence in reviewing their scouting reports on the guys on practice squads and those still on the street, I've been told, and Cerrato reached the conclusion it didn't make sense to sign a lineman just for the sake of doing so, which is why he brought back Alridge to be the fifth running back on the 53-man roster.

Look, if the Redskins continue along their current path, we'll likely see a coaching change and sweeping roster changes. But for right now, there's just not much that can be done to bolster the offensive line. From left to right, here's the expected starting unit for Sunday's game: LT Stephon Heyer, LG Derrick Dockery, C Casey Rabach, RG Will Montgomery/Chad Rinehart, RT Mike Williams. T D'Anthony Batiste and whoever doesn't start at right guard also likely would be active against the Chiefs.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.

By Jason Reid  |  October 13, 2009; 11:28 AM ET
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Comments

First...are we sure about this?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Huh. Post appears to be duplicated. The Mayor wishes to re-emphasize his points? ;)

Posted by: AppleScience | October 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

@Chia - Braylon's OC @ Cleveland was on the Jets staff last year. They run an almost identical offense with identical terminalogy. So, it was almost seemless.

@ 4-12 - You got caught in the 'Media' hype of the Jets! You didn't see what they did to the Colts on MNF a few weeks back??? The Jets don't have Peyton Manning....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It was available in the offseason.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

FJZ IS REPORTING JIM ZORN WILL BE FIRED
ON 3-19-09.

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | October 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Kendall...?

Posted by: hobbes9 | October 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

All the Oline has to do is Man up. Zorn needs to call plays accordingly and think outside the box.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

fair enough point.

In the past 5 drafts, from 2005 on, the redskins have drafted exactly one offensive line player.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I hope Jason Campbell has a strong Skull. Let let you in on the KC Game plan (or all future opponents for that matter) BLITZ BLITZ MORE BLITZ, bad line + QB who can pull pull the trigger= Sacks which will likely lead to injury. Still saying no to the Wild-Cat? Why? How can we do worse?

Posted by: katiebabe461 | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

FJZ IS REPORTING JIM ZORN WILL BE FIRED
ON 10-19-09.

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Forget the o-line. What about the d-line? Move Orakpo to DE and sign Marcus Washington.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

LT Stephon Heyer, LG Derrick Dockery, C Casey Rabach, RG Will Montgomery/Chad Rinehart, RT Mike Williams.

Taking a good hard look at those names, I'm... well, nauseated, is I guess the best way to describe it. I was going to go with "nervous," but that wasn't a strong enough word.

But, hey, these guys have, like, three days to practice with each other, and they are professionals after all, and Kansas City is really lousy, and Joe Bugel is coaching them up, and...

We're doomed.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.

By Jason Reid

THANK YOU.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the real reason why Greg "B" stop talking to the media ?

Answer: Snyder had a media with greg and shot the idea of letting zorn go, and asked if he would take the job. Greg declined.


Source: JLF

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | October 13, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If I wss Snyder I would sell. Reasons why:

1. Revenue. The team is going to continue to struggle for a good while because there too many problem areas for a quick fix. The economy will continue to drag. Ticket resale prices will fall. Slackening attendance and diminishing profit margins will cause revenue to decline.

2. Fans. Patience has worn thin. 10 years of mediocrity in spite of $$$ spent on feckless FAs. The fans have pretty much reached the limit of what they can take. They will stay away from games. They will wear paper bags on their heads. They will boo the team (and hence the owner too) ever more vociferously. There will be a big snowfall before one of the blowout Dallas games and the few fans in attendance will pelt the owner's luxury box with snowballs before security drags them away. Video tapes of the incident will appear on You Tube.

3. Coaches. After the stench of the Zorn fiasco drifts away there will be a linering odor of owner heavy handedness that will scare any decent prospect off. To a certain extent this was already a factor that led to the Zorn hiring but with his downfall it will get worse. It will be so bad that Snyder would face an uphill battle just to hire an assistant from the woebegone Terps FB team as HC.

Snyder, who is perceptive enough to see the doom and gloom in 1.-3., especially 1., will realize that selling is his best option and the sooner the better. There are enough rich money pants out there who would jump at the chance to pay more than market value for a franchise that is an NFL icon and if run properly could turn into a gold mine.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

If I wss Snyder I would sell. Reasons why:

1. Revenue. The team is going to continue to struggle for a good while because there too many problem areas for a quick fix. The economy will continue to drag. Ticket resale prices will fall. Slackening attendance and diminishing profit margins will cause revenue to decline.

2. Fans. Patience has worn thin. 10 years of mediocrity in spite of $$$ spent on feckless FAs. The fans have pretty much reached the limit of what they can take. They will stay away from games. They will wear paper bags on their heads. They will boo the team (and hence the owner too) ever more vociferously. There will be a big snowfall before one of the blowout Dallas games and the few fans in attendance will pelt the owner's luxury box with snowballs before security drags them away. Video tapes of the incident will appear on You Tube.

3. Coaches. After the stench of the Zorn fiasco drifts away there will be a linering odor of owner heavy handedness that will scare any decent prospect off. To a certain extent this was already a factor that led to the Zorn hiring but with his downfall it will get worse. It will be so bad that Snyder would face an uphill battle just to hire an assistant from the woebegone Terps FB team as HC.

Snyder, who is perceptive enough to see the doom and gloom in 1.-3., especially 1., will realize that selling is his best option and the sooner the better. There are enough rich money pants out there who would jump at the chance to pay more than market value for a franchise that is an NFL icon and if run properly could turn into a gold mine.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Bill Parcells looked like a satisfied little Guru up there behind the glass.

and Jennifer Lopez and Dwayne Wade and Mark Antony were dancing the night away.

but where was Tom Cruise?

Coincidence?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

From today's NY Times:

“You’ve just got to let it play out,” Casserly said. “Washington’s problems seem to be deeper. They just can’t find a way to score points...”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/sports/football/13fast.html?hpw

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Are these the same scouting reports that they have used for the last 3 years.
Time for a change.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 13, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, we got a game coming up.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I suggested the other day that I think it would be a good idea to run a shotgun formation with 2 TE, 2WR, and Portis or Sellars as the single back. Keep 1 TE (Yoder) and RB in for pass protection duties. And when going deep, waggle JC out once in a while!

Posted by: ga8085 | October 13, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to call plays accordingly and think outside the box.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM

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Jim Zen IS the box.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This is what I found on NFL.com, not sure if all still available, but they have them listed...as well as Runyan and Tauscher, so dont know how accurate this is...but to say that there are NONE is wrong...Fabini did not do to bad for us, same with Kendall and others on this list.

Blair, James OG Released 6-3 330 2nd Season CIN TBD

Colombo, Marc OT UFA 6-8 318 7th Season DAL TBD

Fabini, Jason G UFA 6-7 312 11th Season WAS TBD

Friedman, Lennie G UFA 6-3 290 10th Season CLE TBD

Gandy, Wayne T UFA 6-5 315 15th Season ATL TBD

Harris, Kwame T Released 6-7 320 6th Season OAK TBD

Jennings, Jonas T Released 6-3 328 8th Season SF TBD

Kendall, Pete G UFA 6-6 286 13th Season WAS TBD

McKinney, Seth G UFA 6-3 310 7th Season CLE TBD
McKinney, Steve C UFA 6-4 305 11th Season SEA TBD

Simmons, Kendall G Released 6-3 315 7th Season PIT TBD

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 13, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

4th- No, I just had a horrible week picking games. Actually, scratch that...I'm taking the Redskins route and blaming "The Media" for my suckage. Of course, that becomes a circular argument in its own right, but I digress.

Clay figurine on the window- The emotional attachment is to the $$$.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Jake Long is a pretty good offensive tackle.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Realistically," the lack of depth on the O-line, which has brought us to this ridiculous midseason debate, is Vinny's fault.

Posted by: dc-nc | October 13, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Rex Ryan calls out his defense, and himself
Posted by Mike Florio on October 13, 2009 7:37 AM ET

New York coach Rex Ryan said after the game that it was a "complete embarrassment by our defense and by me."

"I didn't have the defense prepared the way they should have been, and I take full responsibility for that," Ryan said. "I've never been involved in a game like that in my life; our offense did tremendous and gave us every opportunity to win the game. At the end I thought about using timeouts but I said you know what, they're not scoring. I was wrong.

"I'm just kind of at a loss for words with our defensive performance. We made that quarterback look like Dan Marino. He was pretty good though, he deserves credit. We have to do a better job at defending that long pass.

"It was just a horrendous day for our defense. You know, we're a hell of a team and I believe that. I think we have plenty of talent, but we just have to play a hell of a lot better than we did today. Again, that's my responsibility, and it's also my responsibility to get the team ready to go against Buffalo next week. We're not going to feel sorry for ourselves; we're going to play a hell of a lot better than we did today."


If we could get that from Zorn maybe the players would step up, or maybe he would change. All we get is were getting better.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 13, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Greg Camarillo had a couple of nice, clutch catches.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

kendal simmons is on the pats roster, and columbo is on the cowboys...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I want Grimm as HC, I love Grimm, I am confident he would be a good HC. I don't think he is working for Snyder...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 11:30 AM

I like Grimm as a potential HC as well. It'd be nice to get back to hardnosed redskin football. What I wouldn’t like is that he probably wouldn’t come in with the clout to get Snyder to back out of personnel decisions as well as replacing Cerrato. Also like Zorn to my knowledge he doesn’t have coordinating or play calling experience . I don’t see Snyder going that route twice in a row.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:49 AM

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

RE: "Realistically, Help on the O-Line Isn't Available"

No f-ing DUH!!! Nothing new at all...

*ReeeeeePost*

pabrian2003,
Do you think people would be wasting their time blogging about the 'skins if they didn't really like or support the Washington Redskins to the fullest?

That's what I'll never get about the "real fan" bullsh**. Like someone would actually come on RI every motherf-ing day and post to no end about something that weren't really passionate about or had an interest in at the least.

And as far as supporting them, I think you're actually coddling them when you give your "analysis" -- like you're turning away, or really do see it but act like you don't when they continuously go out every Sunday and proceed to stink the joint up awful.

I don't have kids but if I did, when they brought D's and F's on their report card, I wouldn't only tell them to hang in there and convey my "true faith" in them, but I would also express my disappointment.

And anger if it was becoming a trend, you know, like the all out suckness to mediocrity every season from the Redskins.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Damien Woody ain't too shabby.

Neither is Nick Mangold.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson gets points for his name alone.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

NFL trade deadline is tomorrow.
If nothing is done to address the injuries on the OLine, then we're all wasting our time and money going to FedEx.

Basically it means Vinny and Dan are taking the poison pill for the 2009 season and stockpiling "climbing in value" Draft Picks and Free Agency dollars in an uncapped 2010 for next year's new Head Coach,

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 13, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

just for the record, Bill Walsh didn't call it the west coast offense, some media guy made that name up, let it go.

Its offense

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

^Repost for pabrian2003, the only real redskins fan.

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Pabrian do you even know what a fair weather fan is? Anyone who has stuck with the Redskins this long is not a fair weather fan.

Of course everyone on here wants the players to succeed. But when they don't succeed you have to take a critical look at what is going wrong.

Being a fan doesn't mean you have surrender your opinion.

If you want to constantly buy into the idea that the team is only one step away from contending go right ahead.

Just because other people on here see much bigger problems that doesn't mean we root for the team to fail or like the team any less than you.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

All the Oline has to do is Man up. Zorn needs to call plays accordingly and think outside the box.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM

I think we'll need more than two tired clichés to help this group.

Posted by: mack1 | October 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"Cerrato reached the conclusion"

RED FLAG ALERT

Cerrato reaching conclusions = my emotions butt-raped.

FIRE CERRATO.

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Flounder

Do you really think the coach speak does anything for the players? You think if JZ says its my fault for everything that things will turn around? Rex Ryan is refreshing and exciting to his players because he is new. If they continue to falter, the players will block it out and ignore him all together. The coaches have to put the players in a position to win but it is ultimately up to the players to perform.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"This Henne kid can play....this defense is no joke..."

I posted this after the dolphins beat the bills and folks laughed saying it was too early to tell.

But yes, Chad Henne can play."

Posted by: Mr. Moe

That's the advantage a team has which has a REAL GM. Did you hear Parcell's criteria for drafting a QB? A senior who has 23 wins in college and some other criteria. Unlike Vinnie who took Taylor off Parcell's hands for a year because he looked good dancing the Cha-cha.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Zorn isn't the problem. Gibbs wasn't the problem. Nor were Turner and Shottenheimer the problem. The problem is that the owner doesn't know sports...much less football. And has a GM that knows nothing as well. It is the talent on the field. Plain and simple. Zorn would be a great coach if his players didn't suck, and his management gave him a chance to win. Any GM that doesn't do everything he can to fix that offensive line in the offseason is a fool. Cerrato is a fool.

Posted by: bharn | October 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Zorn isn't the problem. Gibbs wasn't the problem. Nor were Turner and Shottenheimer the problem. The problem is that the owner doesn't know sports...much less football. And has a GM that knows nothing as well. It is the talent on the field. Plain and simple. Zorn would be a great coach if his players didn't suck, and his management gave him a chance to win. Any GM that doesn't do everything he can to fix that offensive line in the offseason is a fool. Cerrato is a fool.

Posted by: bharn | October 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

the new dirtbags

Snake charmer, harbor master, rabach-man turner overdrive, rhino/ where there is a Will there is a way, and Boomer

Go get em men, the fans are behind you

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

From left to right, here's the expected starting unit for Sunday's game: LT Stephon Heyer, LG Derrick Dockery, C Casey Rabach, RG Will Montgomery/Chad Rinehart, RT Mike Williams. T D'Anthony Batiste and whoever doesn't start at right guard also likely would be active against the Chiefs.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.
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What does this mean?

Even the media has taken a defeatist attitude toward the Redskins?

Ridiculous.

Joe Gibbs and his staff took 50+ guys off the street and won 3 straight games with them against opponents like the Cardinals and Cowboys, who had several starters cross the picket line.

This is about coaching, not about finding an all-pro T or G sitting on a sofa in October 2009.

But I guess it's best to just sit back, throw our collective hands up (the team, the fans, the media), and say there's no one out there; nothing can be done; all systems are down; resistance is futile. Etc., etc., etc.

Wow.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Flounder

Do you really think the coach speak does anything for the players? You think if JZ says its my fault for everything that things will turn around? Rex Ryan is refreshing and exciting to his players because he is new. If they continue to falter, the players will block it out and ignore him all together. The coaches have to put the players in a position to win but it is ultimately up to the players to perform.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 11:54 AM |

Players need to be called out, and if they don't play better you find replacements.

Same goes for coaches Ryan called himself out and said he needs to do a better job. Zorn has never called himself out or his players thats why they play the way they do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 13, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Alan Faneca was a good free agent pick up.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

It isn't Zorn, it wasn't Gibbs, Turner, or Shottenheimer. It's Cerrato and Snyder. They simply don't get it. You have to get good players on the field. You have to address weaknesses. They refuse to do any of that. It's the talent on the field. Plain and simple.

Posted by: bharn | October 13, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

It isn't Zorn, it wasn't Gibbs, Turner, or Shottenheimer. It's Cerrato and Snyder. They simply don't get it. You have to get good players on the field. You have to address weaknesses. They refuse to do any of that. It's the talent on the field. Plain and simple.

Posted by: bharn | October 13, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Zorn isn't the problem. Gibbs wasn't the problem. Nor were Turner and Shottenheimer the problem. The problem is that the owner doesn't know sports...much less football. And has a GM that knows nothing as well. It is the talent on the field. Plain and simple. Zorn would be a great coach if his players didn't suck, and his management gave him a chance to win. Any GM that doesn't do everything he can to fix that offensive line in the offseason is a fool. Cerrato is a fool.

Posted by: bharn | October 13, 2009 11:55 AM |

Turner was a huge problem and should have been fired before Snyder got the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 13, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.--RI, The Mayor

What I think is Jim Zorn was a lame duck coach from the git-go, just happy and honored to have the gig, and unwillingor unable to stand up to Redskins management and demand the OLine be addressed in the offseason.

Then too, with his play design and play-calling, I'm not sure that would have made any diff anyway.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The fans are to blame. We aren't very good.

Pabrian speaks the truth.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This would be the same group of guys who did their due diligence on offensive tackles available in the draft and instead drafted defense? Yeah, I can pretty much have confidence that they don't know what in the heck they are talking about. Here is the million dollar question: How would they know if there weren't better offensive tackles out there if they didn't bring in a few for interviews and workouts? How many offensive linemen have they even invited to Redskins park for a workout?

Mayor, I usually am behind what you are writing, but this time it sounds like you are channeling Vinny. Tell us who is available and how many starts they have had. What are other teams going to do if they have a season ending injury to an offensive tackle? What about offensive tackles sitting on other teams' development rosters? CFL offensive linemen? Arena football league offensive linemen? UFL? Heck, if nothing else consider the possibility of giving Lorenzo Alexander some playing time on the offensive line...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 13, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The question should be, how bad is the Chiefs' front seven that our sad, patchwork O line will be facing? Anybody got a scouting report for me on the Chefs D front?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Anybody got a scouting report for me on the Chefs D front?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 12:00 PM

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Google it.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Everything that happens from Monday thru Saturday is 100% the front office's fault.But on Sundays, it's all Zorn's fault. Dude is just out of his depth. He can't call plays; he can't keep track of the down and distance and he doesn't know the value of TOs. What a freaking joke!

Posted by: tundey | October 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

They drafted some guy named Tyson Jackson at DE.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

All the Oline has to do is Man up. Zorn needs to call plays accordingly and think outside the box.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM

I think we'll need more than two tired clichés to help this group.

Posted by: mack1

How many tired cliches do we need?

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

A senior who has 23 wins in college and some other criteria. Unlike Vinnie who took Taylor off Parcell's hands for a year because he looked good dancing the Cha-cha.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 11:55 AM

I think being a three year starter was the other criteria. Interestingly enough JC meets all those criteria. Hmmmm.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

What about offensive tackles sitting on other teams' development rosters? CFL offensive linemen? Arena football league offensive linemen? UFL? Heck, if nothing else consider the possibility of giving Lorenzo Alexander some playing time on the offensive line...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 13, 2009 12:00 PM |
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EXACTLY.

That's the kind of can-do thinking this team needs, instead of everyone from the front office on down essentially giving up and saying nothing can be done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

fair enough point.

In the past 5 drafts, from 2005 on, the redskins have drafted exactly one offensive line player.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM
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Actually that would be two from 2005 and on.
Four from 2004 and on.
Five from 2003 and on.
Eight since 2000 and on.

But you can't draft in hindsight!! Two years ago, posters were bashing the Skins for not drafting on the D-line!!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | October 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this definitely isn't the west coast offense... it's the offense that fell off into the ocean after the earthquake.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The Chiefs plan to use more of the no-huddle, hurry-up approach when they travel to Washington this week hoping to avoid being the first team in franchise history to start a season 0-6.

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Uh oh.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.

So why is "that bunch" on the roster? FO had the entire off season and pre-season to address this. They failed. Period. Yet they same goons that blew it are the ones heading up the new coach search. Perhaps they should be replaced first.

Posted by: edvar | October 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

“You’ve just got to let it play out,” Casserly said. “Washington’s problems seem to be deeper. They just can’t find a way to score points...”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/sports/football/13fast.html?hpw

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse


I remember when I had the same problem. Simple solution to it. Easy girls and booze.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

chefs got fat dorsey from lsu, tamba hali from psu a couple years back, thomas their stud linebacker from TEX and some quality dbacks whose names escape me, but i'd say their offense has more talented players than their d. i dunno they hung with da girls for 4 and sum change on sunday. shows that they at least have the heart to fight even when overmatched (a concept the skins will have to get familliar with in the coming weeks)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Solution #1-Sign Pete Kendall

Solution # 2-Sign Jon Runyan

Swallow some crow and make the team better this year.

Posted by: bricklacey | October 13, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The Chiefs have talent on their line with Dorsey and Jackson. But their secondary is definitely iffy. Just be glad they traded Jared Allen to the Vikings, otherwise this would be a slaughter. Still might be...

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones (OT)
Kwami Harris (OT)
Pete Kendal (OG)

let Kendal, who knows the offense and blocking schemes play RG . . . BIG improvment over what we currently are playing . . .

Either Levi Jones OR Kwami Harris is a HUGE upgrade over Heyer/Williams . . .

come on . . . don't tell me there is no help available . . . the skins just have NO clue . . .

Our Practice squad was raped last year . . . gonna tell me nobody out there has players on their practice squad that are better that we have??? AGAIN, the FO has NO F-IN CLUE

Posted by: jonbutina | October 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Any team that brings a 400 lb'er as a primary back up and a big fat D Man who lays out on the ground like he's about to die. Deserves what it gets. Snyder should be ashamed of what he's done to this team. He's a disgrace as an owner. As a steward of a community trust he's beyond damnation.

Posted by: ridgely1 | October 13, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

No no, the Redskins just need to man up, if they would just man up we would be right up there with the Giants...Man Up Redskins Man Up!

Posted by: The_Spear | October 13, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato reached the conclusion"

Translation: Vinny played racqetball for 2 hours with Dan, then went to his office and flipped a coin.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 13, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I suggested the other day that I think it would be a good idea to run a shotgun formation with 2 TE, 2WR, and Portis or Sellars as the single back. Keep 1 TE (Yoder) and RB in for pass protection duties. And when going deep, waggle JC out once in a while!

Posted by: ga8085 |

Did you watch the line blocking by Miami? The "D" of the jets didn't now what hit them. The Dolphins zoned, they trapped, they pulled with two guards leading the runner to the hole. They adjusted their blocking to fit the defensive scheme. They had first round picks on the Oline (as did the Jets). They used the Wildcat and faked and ran it up the gut. It was a thing of beauty.

WWZD? Zorn would have done what he always does. Zone block everything, no lead blocker, no backfield fakes to give the blockers advantages...keep your best receiver in to chip, etc.

It's like watching Pop Warner football when the 'skins have the ball.

I think at least some of the reason why Oline FAs aren't signed is nobody who's any good wants to play that scheme.

The Jets have D'Brickashaw. The 'skins have D'Anthony.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Keeping with the West Coast Offense theme...

Who's in favor of renaming the San Andreas Fault to Jim Zorn's fault?

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Where is Shar Pourdanesh when you need him?

Posted by: mvenFc | October 13, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Look at how deep we are along the D-Line...

Phillip Daniels has a torn biceps, if he can't go then we've got Orakpo, Alexander, Wilson, Jarmon who can step in...all of which have experience are YOUNG and can play.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 13, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is going to turn down a check because they dont want to zone block. The Offensive line free agents are unemployed because they stink or they are past their prime or they stink and are past their prime. Pete Kendall is the only viable option for the skins. We know he can play, he just has bad knees.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Blow it up! sweep out vinny and purge in an uncapped year. sacrelgious as it sounds trade Cooley for a 2nd or 3rd, start sleepy, trade LL30 for a 4th or 3rd. release anybody who doesnt want to be here to rebuild. draft all O line early and sign a caretaker Qb or start collins it doesnt matter for this coming year, let portis stay and be the career rushing leader for the skins then let him ride off into the sunset as his contract is guarateed until 2010 anyway and we owe him that much. All of it must start with no Vinny! This year will not all be for naught if he gets fired.

Posted by: drewkinnear | October 13, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"I've been told, and Cerrato reached the conclusion it didn't make sense to sign a lineman just for the sake of doing so"

Hasn't he been basically reaching that same conclusion for years now?

Posted by: ga8085 | October 13, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, we are gonna beat the Eagles to improve to 3-4. Our problem has been scheduling...we have been unfairly front loaded with a string of winless teams fighting tooth and nail to get off the schneid. Thankfully, that ends against the Eagles.

As to now many cliches it will take, it remains to be seen.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 13, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually beginning to enjoy this season!! It gives me great comfort and joy knowing that $nyder and his buttboi Vinny Cerrato are the proud owners of this steaming, heaping pile of feces.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 13, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Any good disgruntled offensive tackles out there demanding a trade?

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Where is Andre Johnson when you need him?

Posted by: Predator48 | October 13, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Funny. I don't hear a lot of criticism of our offensive line coach. Buges didn't see any problem with the O-line in the offseason. He was tooting their horn all through training camp.

I would imagine that he has at least a little pull with the front office. Why didn't Buges stamp his feet and demand that we pick some linemen in the draft?

I love Bugel as much as anybody, but this line has been a shambles.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | October 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

if you aren't a fair weather fan why are you taking it so personal.

I know your all real fans and good fans, but your contributing to the negativity with incessant complaining will accomplish nothing OR more of the same.

Stay focused on the problem

Vinny

When you start blaming Portis, Campbell, zorn, and the defense your missing the big picture.

The problem is Vinny and his choice to deplete the O line

Stop complaining about the guys that ARE doing their job

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Better yet, Where is Andre the Giant when you need him?

Posted by: Predator48 | October 13, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Edwards and Sanchez looked good, but Sanchez led them to a LOSS. I'm sure Jets fan are dissapointed. How bout those Ravens and Caps, a combined 6 game losing streak. Should their owners Sell?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not busy this Sunday, maybe I could help.... Nah, then I'd have to work for the pr*ck Snyder.

Posted by: atidwell | October 13, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I know your all real fans and good fans, but your contributing to the negativity with incessant complaining will accomplish nothing OR more of the same.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse
________________________

You're in the wrong place. The internet is for complaining and porn.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a giant d0uchebag phukstik and should cut his own nuts off.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"I've been told, and Cerrato reached the conclusion it didn't make sense to sign a lineman just for the sake of doing so"

Hasn't he been basically reaching that same conclusion for years now?

Posted by: ga8085

perfectly said

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

At least the OL looked better than expected in the preseason. Who cares about the regular season? The skins only prepare for the offseason.

Posted by: james808d | October 13, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

All the Oline has to do is Man up. Zorn needs to call plays accordingly and think outside the box.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM

I think we'll need more than two tired clichés to help this group.

Posted by: mack1

How many tired cliches do we need?

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:03 PM


No cliches. Just a Can do attitude. My attitude will not be dragged down.

We realistically suck, but realistically played only a third of the games. That means 11 games left and I am not about to spend the next 3 months saying 'Woo is Us'.

MAn Up and create better plays/opportunities. Championship.

Book it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

There isn't a problem with this team. There is about 50 problems with this team.

#1. We ignored our offensive line for almost a decade and it's coming back to bite us.

Solution - We need to sign a free agent tackle to a short term contract and draft 2 tackles in the first 2 rounds of next year's draft.

#2. We are running a WCO when we don't have WCO personnel.

Solution-Stop trying to run a west coast offense. The only time our offense shows signs of life is when it resembles a coryell offense. We don't have WCO personnel. All we are doing is making JC and the young receivers look stupid. A QB with a slow release and slow read progression has no business playing in a WCO. Neither do receivers that have trouble running routes. We have fast recievers and a QB with a rocket arm. Use them.

#3. We don't know how to call plays.

Solution-Hire a real play caller.

#4. Our running back is injured and out of shape.

Solution - We need to let the young guys play more. MM and AA need a lot more carries. Draft a RB in the 4th round next year.

#5. Orakpo is getting beat in coverage and we still aren't generating enough pressure.

Solution-sign a real strong side linebacker and put Orakpo on the d-line where he belongs.

#6. Landry is a better strong safety at the nfl level and is struggling at free safety.

Solution-sign a real free safety or give Kareem Moore a shot and move LaRon to strong safety.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

How many tired cliches do we need?

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:03 PM

There's never enough. But with a scrub O line I'd like to hear a little bit more about giving 110 percent and looking in the mirror and staying true to yourself and playing Redskin football. Also some war analogies couldn't hurt.

Posted by: mack1 | October 13, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

if you aren't a fair weather fan why are you taking it so personal.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

because your posts read like lectures on how to be a real fan.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Two truths:

1. Buges conducted the offensive line review that the coaching staff presented to the front office. The coaches recommended upgrading the line. Vinny said in the spring "draft is not the only way to build". I don't think the coaches minded the addition of Dock, but I imagine they did not have his house guest BMW in mind as part of a package deal.

2. Kendall is not the answer. Seriously.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 13, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

How hard is Jon Jansen laughing right now?

I've been getting so angry over the state of our O-line the past two weeks, it isn't healthy. And it wasn't just this offseason that it was a perceived need, people have been talking about this for the past 3 years. Christ, who DIDN'T think Samuels and Thomas would be injured at some point this year?

Two wides and a pass catching TE last year? Stupid. Talk about bet-hedging on the WRs ("we can't decide which one will do better, so take both!"), and we already have an outstanding young TE. STUPID STUPID STUPID. Rrrrrage.

Posted by: Wellsee | October 13, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"He is very supportive, he wants to win."

J. Zorn (on owner D. Snyder)

Posted by: Masonman | October 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Stop complaining about the guys that ARE doing their job

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Get off your damn high horse, you choose to be a fan your way blindly following and hoping and let the rest of us choose to be fans anyway we want to be. If you don't like reading differing opinions go somewhere else or participate in the conversation with a logical give and take. Don't just plug your ears and say your opinion is the only valid one......basically shut up!

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

How many tired cliches do we need?

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:03 PM

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, comes into our house and pushes us around.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Okay Mr. Reid, here's why the Skins need to sign an offensive lineman or two - even if the pickings are slim. (By the way JR, get some sunshine, bro and retake that photo. You look madder/sadder than Skins fans right now!!!)

They need to sign O-Linemen now because there are no bodies left ON THIS TEAM. And the bodies that are playing are fragile at best.

And here's why you activate Aldrige and Mason and let them play....... both are faster than Portis who has a snowballs chance in H - E - double hockey sticks of breaking free of the line! Duh.....

And Betts is done. He's finished. Why not let Mason and Aldrige play? Nothing to lose at this point. And maybe Aldrige actually knows how to field a punt properly and run with the dang ball

Posted by: BenThere | October 13, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity what players do we have actually fit the WCO? I think Cooley could play in both WCO and Coryell but who else is a WCO player? Maybe Moss?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

In the past 5 drafts, from 2005 on, the redskins have drafted exactly one offensive line player.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1
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Actually that would be two from 2005 and on.
Four from 2004 and on.
Five from 2003 and on.
Eight since 2000 and on.

But you can't draft in hindsight!! Two years ago, posters were bashing the Skins for not drafting on the D-line!!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | October 13, 2009 12:06 PM


correction: in the past 5 drafts, the redskins have picked exactly two offensive line players. (I forgot kili lefotu in the 7th rd of 2006).

you don't need "hindsight" to think "gee in the next 5 years, it might be useful to have some o-linemen for our team." actually, thats quite foreseeable.

in the past 9 drafts, the redskins have selected 2 o-line players in the top 3 rounds. (chad rinehart, rd 3, 2008; derrick dockery rd 3, 2003).

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 13, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This season is over. Anyone believing that some magical turnaround is going to happen is nuts. Just look at the games so far. 2 losses to teams that have a combined 0-23 record. Two wins against teams that have not won a game this season by a combined margin of less than 6 points.

They will go 0-6 against the NFC east this year. Over Over & Done!!!!


I get a kick out of the Redskins players & coaches chirping those rehearsed remarks. "The season is young" "We can turn it around" I would love to know what they really think....It is probably similar to what I think.

Posted by: dc4life | October 13, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Bright side: Heyer is naturally a LT. It's where he played well in college before hurting his knee and where he played at the end of last season with fair results. BMW is playing his natural RT position. I am hopeful it works out andI sincerely believe there will be better O-line play this week.

I don't root for the owner or GM. I root for the team. HTTR!!!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 13, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"How hard is Jon Jansen laughing right now"

Why would he be laughing?? The team offered him a chance to retire, and he wanted one last money grab with the lions. He's playing on extra points, and not much more...so again why is he laughing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

How many tired cliches do we need?

Posted by: TheCork


They just need a shot of confidence.

The 'skins can beat anyone on any given Sunday.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Not more suggestions, we have the next Redskins head coach

Excerpt from acceptance letter to Dan Snyder:

“Myself and my GM will be in charge of all player personnel decisions. Neither you nor any one else not designated by me will have any input whatsoever in player personnel decisions. Before I sign, we will work out an unlimited budget during my tenure, which I plan to exceed.”

Link to entire letter:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Saints welcome back Hartley, but keep Carney
Posted by Mike Florio on October 13, 2009 12:39 PM ET
With kicker Garrett Hartley back from a four-game suspension, the Saints needed to make a roster move for him.

And instead of cutting the other kicker on the roster, they opted instead to bounce rookie quarterback Chase Daniel.

They'll keep John Carney, who has done well in Hartley's absence.

"I think John Carney has done a great job; he brings a lot to the table with his experience," coach Sean Payton said last week, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Carney has made six of seven kicks; the one that was missed was blocked in Week One.

Hartley, a rookie in 2008, tested positive for Adderall, which he claimed he took so that he could stay away on a drive from Dallas to New Orleans.

Daniel was elevated from the practice squad when receiver Lance Moore, the emergency quarterback, was injured. If he clears waivers, Daniel likely will be re-signed to the practice squad.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually encouraged that BMW played and is apparently healthy enough to play again this week. Heyer, who has had injuries in each of his previous years, is also apparently healthy as well.

Of course, Kendall, who hadn't missed a single start as a Redskin, remains available. As does Runyan.

But it appears the front office wants to see what the young guys can do.

Translation -- 2009 is now about rebuilding

Of course, rebuilding AND having the league's #1 payroll is embarassing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Bring Ray Brown out of retirement.

Posted by: ATL2 | October 13, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Greg, just because he's out of this clusterf.

Posted by: Wellsee | October 13, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

4th floor . . . go ahead and jump!

Posted by: sjw1 | October 13, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg, because he's out of this clusterf.

Posted by: Wellsee | October 13, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Saints welcome back Hartley, but keep Carney
Posted by Mike Florio on October 13, 2009 12:39 PM ET
With kicker Garrett Hartley back from a four-game suspension, the Saints needed to make a roster move for him.

And instead of cutting the other kicker on the roster, they opted instead to bounce rookie quarterback Chase Daniel.

They'll keep John Carney, who has done well in Hartley's absence.

"I think John Carney has done a great job; he brings a lot to the table with his experience," coach Sean Payton said last week, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Carney has made six of seven kicks; the one that was missed was blocked in Week One.

Hartley, a rookie in 2008, tested positive for Adderall, which he claimed he took so that he could stay away on a drive from Dallas to New Orleans.

Daniel was elevated from the practice squad when receiver Lance Moore, the emergency quarterback, was injured. If he clears waivers, Daniel likely will be re-signed to the practice squad.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Wally Kline...make it happen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Beantown -- any Ben Affleck sightings in your area?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Saints welcome back Hartley, but keep Carney
Posted by Mike Florio on October 13, 2009 12:39 PM ET
With kicker Garrett Hartley back from a four-game suspension, the Saints needed to make a roster move for him.

And instead of cutting the other kicker on the roster, they opted instead to bounce rookie quarterback Chase Daniel.

They'll keep John Carney, who has done well in Hartley's absence.

"I think John Carney has done a great job; he brings a lot to the table with his experience," coach Sean Payton said last week, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Carney has made six of seven kicks; the one that was missed was blocked in Week One.

Hartley, a rookie in 2008, tested positive for Adderall, which he claimed he took so that he could stay away on a drive from Dallas to New Orleans.

Daniel was elevated from the practice squad when receiver Lance Moore, the emergency quarterback, was injured. If he clears waivers, Daniel likely will be re-signed to the practice squad.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Where is Shar Pourdanesh when you need him?

Posted by: mvenFc |

At Clydes, having a burger with Mo Elewanibi.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, just catching up from previous thread....

i disagree with the notion that those teams last night we're sooo much better than us.

It is easy to feel that way when you don't really care who wins, there is no emotional attachment.

The Dolphins won at home to go 2-3, we have a chance to win at home to go 3-3

Actually,the Dolphins showed proved that a team can turn it around amidst injuries.

I will continue to look at the full part of the cup not the empty part.

The Jets D was ranked one of the best and they got trampeled! The Carolina D was one of the worst and they stepped up, welcome to the NFL.

Talking about winless teams is a huge spin, The Panthers went 12-4(?) last year that are hardly an untalented team and are factually more of a disappointment then us, so far.

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

support your team,the players,like you support the troops regardless of the politics

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM |
__________________________________________
I concur!

Posted by: Masonman | October 13, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What a pair of Muppets. Miami is 2-3 with losses against teams with a combined record of 10-3.

The Skins are 2-3 with losses against teams with a combined record of 7-7.

Doesn't sound much different I guess but if you exclude Indy's 5-0 record for Miami and the Gints 5-0 record for the Skins you get

Miami opponents record still = 5-3
Skins = 2-7

Ouch!! Seriously Pabrian, you're better than that.

Who cares if the Fins or the Jets are better than the Skins this year, that won't help either your team or mine unless we both make it to the Super Bowl.
And if it comes to that we can all celebrate because we've had a fantastic year!

I will say though that the game last night was played at a difference speed on both sides of the ball and I think the Skins might find that hard to adjust to - at least to begin with.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 13, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | October 13, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I would like to apologize for suggesting Wally Kleine, as he is apparently dead, and that was insensitive on my part...

wellsee, great, so like I said, he's out of here, but doesn't play, and looks like he's just in it for the dough....hooray for him!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn or Campbell have futures in their current roles, but they aren't the problem.

This is all about Vinny and Dan-- the former an incompetent buffoon who couldn't get another job in the league when Marty showed him the door, the latter a Napoleonic twit who is playing fantasy football with a Washington public trust.

SELL THE TEAM, SNYDER!
GO BACK TO ESPN, CERRATO!

We're sick of you both. You're a disgrace to your loyal customers.

Posted by: drischord | October 13, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

go ahead and jump!

Posted by: sjw1 | October 13, 2009 12:52 PM

To where?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

z, funny you should ask, we're sharing a work-space today...here he is....

hey z, its me ben afflek, good luck this Sunday...

z, its me again, pretty cool.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

IT WILL NEVER GET BETTER UNTIL WE HURT SNYDER'S POCKET BOOK!

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 13, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

isn't levi jones the former tackle from the bengals available

Posted by: twright87 | October 13, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Why/how would Snyder be friends with Tom Cruise if Snyder were not a platinum member of the Church of Scientologist?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Why/how would Snyder be friends with Tom Cruise if Snyder were not a platinum member of the Church of Scientology?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

jones has gone ignored by all 32 teams, so to me, that says something about him...either he wants top end dollar, or he's done....I'm leaning towards the done explanation....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

And you ain't never gonna hurt Snyder's pocketbook...Snyder is young, and he's the owner until he dies - so getting rid of Snyder, well, you can talk about it until the cows come home, but ... it's ... just ... not ... going ... to ... happen.

Someone name one owner who was "fanned" into selling his team?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The current betting line is Redskins favored by 6.5 with some books going as high as 7 points. Seems like a great opportunity for the naysayers to make some money. Come on, when was the last time that the Redskins beat someone by 7 points. Do any of you have the intestinal fortitude to take the Chiefs plus 6.5 with your hard earned money on the line? Until that happens you are just a spectator.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's a little perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

To where?

Posted by: 4thFloor

Out your window . . . it will be faster and less painful. Oh, and I hope that championship appointment you "booked" isn't until 2013, or else you may just want to go ahead and cancel that too :-)

Posted by: sjw1 | October 13, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Where is Shar Pourdanesh when you need him?

Posted by: mvenFc | October 13, 2009 12:20 PM

This made me laugh out loud at my desk!!!
Thank you mvenFc!!!!

Posted by: samisunc | October 13, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Greg -- tell Ben I said 'hey' -- and that nun thing didn't look to good on him

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

oh boy, look out z,

hey z, its me ben again, um how about you go screw yourself, I'm a big time actor....

z, me again, nice job...he's pissed...

When will the RG be named for this game??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Realistically, Help on the O-Line Isn't Available"


Seeking reliable offensive line help after the season has started is like buying car insurance two days after the accident.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

When will the RG be named for this game??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Probably after 3 days of practice or whomever gets the shortest straw. Maps and such.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder does not deserve all of this bashing!!!

He "wants to win more than any of us!"

And Put Collins in, already! Campbell holds the ball too long and he's the sole reason our Offense stinks! (Remember how well we did with Collins in during our playoff run, right?)

OH, and fire that crew-cutted hippie Zorn. What kinda man cuts his hair like that and talks like a hippie?! It's downright confusing! With all his "feelings" and "I'm hurting inside" and all that garbage. OH, and the O Line is "improving" and they just "just, I mean... Just keep fighting"

Please!

Grow your hair long and put on a pair of Birkenstocks or GET OUT! (Remember those hideous Tie Dyed Redskin shirts? Could be a nice "Coaches Sideline Shirt" for our Zen master)

And he can show off his Seattle Seahawk socks with his sandals on, too!

I thought burnouts usually smoked lots of pot. Is it possible that coaching QBs for 30 years can kill brain cells?

I'm surprised he doesn't end all his media sessions with "Peace." Dang Crew-Cut Hippie!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"But as for their decision not to pursue a free-agent lineman during the season, that's much more understandable."

What isn't understandable is why wasn't something done immediately after the 53 player roster cut downs on about September 4.
The need was apparent after draft day in April. Jamon Meredith was available until 9/21.

Posted by: fwroy | October 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Bill Barnwell rates QBs last week (link follows)
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2009/week-5-quick-reads

Here's what Barnwell had to say about Jason Campbell's performance, ranked 17th:
"His stat line for the day was eminently reasonable, considering the porous offensive line that plays in front of him. Looking back at the offseason debate, would the Redskins really have benefited from replacing Campbell with Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez? You can make the "energy" argument about bringing in a new QB, but the 'Skins spent umpteen dollars bringing "energy" to the organization by signing Albert Haynesworth. The problem here isn't Campbell, it's the talent and the depth in front of him."

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Do any of you have the intestinal fortitude to take the Chiefs plus 6.5 with your hard earned money on the line? Until that happens you are just a spectator.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:10 PM


Why would I put money on something that I want to happen if I have no ability to affect the outcome?

Seems silly.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

If you observe other teams, you'll noticed that the receivers and tightend are in the game on consecutive plays,some teams leave the same receivers on the field for the whole series. the skins are constantly rotatibg recievers? They are not allowing them to get "into" the game and develope a rhythm

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If you observe other teams, you'll noticed that the receivers and tightends are in the game on consecutive plays,some teams leave the same receivers on the field for the whole series. the skins are constantly rotatibg recievers? They are not allowing them to get "into" the game and develope a rhythm

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If you observe other teams, you'll noticed that the receivers and tightends are in the game on consecutive plays,some teams leave the same receivers on the field for the whole series. the skins are constantly rotatibg recievers? They are not allowing them to get "into" the game and develope a rhythm

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, It's called gambling. a novel concept.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

redcoat, I'm looking at the bright side, that's my choice

You want to jump of the bandwagon that's your choice.

Is there a lack of commentors that complain about everything every day?

Campbells 6th in comp%, Portis is 1 of 2 guys with 90+ carries and 0 fumbles, the other is Jacobs. They both have 15 first downs. They are getting it done. Its Vinny's line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

If you observe other teams, you'll noticed that the receivers and tightends are in the game on consecutive plays,some teams leave the same receivers on the field for the whole series. the skins are constantly rotating recievers? They are not allowing them to get "into" the game and develope a rhythm

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

sorry...glitch

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The Jets D was ranked one of the best and they got trampeled! The Carolina D was one of the worst and they stepped up, welcome to the NFL.

Talking about winless teams is a huge spin, The Panthers went 12-4(?) last year that are hardly an untalented team and are factually more of a disappointment then us, so far.

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

support your team,the players,like you support the troops regardless of the politics

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM |

________________________

I guess over the past 13 or so games dating back to last season... every team just "steps up" against the Redskins? Couldn't actually be that the Redskins are inapt?

The Redskin defense handed our offense 14 points. A team with even an average offense would have blown the Panthers out under the same circumstances.

Yeah, the Panthers won 12 games last year. Teams rise and fall each year. This year they were winless until they played the Redskins. If you want to go by last year's records, we lost to the LIONS dude. The friggin LIONS! The Rams could be the worst team in the NFL this year and we BARELY beat them. And it wasn't because they "stepped up". It's because the offense is possibly the worst in team history.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Thinker

Our playoff run a few years back had a lot more to do with playing for Sean Taylor than Todd Collins. The fact you say JC is the sole reason our offense stinks shows how ignorant you are in regards to football. Kind of ironic given your handle.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"You know what I'm gonna do, Jason?
I'm gonna run it [wide left] since we don't seem to be able to hold onto the ball"

logic FAIL.

OK, so you drop TWO touchdown passes. What do you do?

A) Throw to one of the guys that dropped one

B) Run it to the only side you've run to in 2 games

C) Put on a pair of Birkenstocks to show off your Seattle Seahawk socks

D) Challenge it! You'd never forgive yourself it you didn't

E) Call timeout. So what if it's your last one. The game is more than half over.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"...support your team,the players, like you support the troops regardless of the politics..."

I don't like this analogy, sorry.

I got nothing but love for a dude toting 30 pounds of gear in the mountains of Afghanistan just because he took and oath to defend my country.

But '..loyalty..' to a football team comprised of millionaires who'll flee to the highest bidder while crying, "I do it for the love of the game."?

Don't think so.

I follow the team and love the country.

The players on pro sports teams are as interchangable as skidmarked underwear.

And in my world, an athlete can't carry a soldier's jock.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

tomorrows another day, pick yourself off the ground and get back in the fight

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 13, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

sjw1 - That's how you gotta think if you're a NFL HC, which we all think we are up here. The season is far from over and you know as well as I do that this team plays to the level of their comp. And the Comp will get harder next month. Philly won't be throwing 50 yard bombs against us. And if DT11 was on the Eagles, he surely would've caught those balls as well.

I'm a fan going with the flow. But my flow doesn't equal the flow of this blog. I see the quick fixes, but Zorn refuses to get it moving.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

call it the "redskin-itis" with means doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

My point was that if you're positive that the Skins will lose on Sunday, and most of you seem to be, why not put your money where your mouth is, especially when the oddsmakers are spotting you 6.5 points?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should change my "handle" to "Sarcastic" so it's not so confusing for the humorless amongst us.

Good Point.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Portis is 1 of 2 guys with 90+ carries and 0 fumbles, the other is Jacobs. They both have 15 first downs. They are getting it done. Its Vinny's line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? You don't know jack....Portis ranks 18th in the league, with a paltry 3.7 per carry. That is not getting done massengill.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What, are you takin' action, Vegas Jim?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, It's called gambling. a novel concept.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:24 PM


Well, yes, technically. But the tactic you propose seems silly.

If the idea is to win the bet, you bet according to the outcome you *think* is going to happen, not the outcome you *want* to happen, correct?

You proposed the latter tactic above, is all I'm sayin'.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"I remember when I had the same problem. Simple solution to it. Easy girls and booze."

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

__________________________________________
AKA the Freddy "Love Boat" Smoot plan for game preparedness.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 13, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Cruise: "It's our responsibility to educate, to create the new reality. To say, 'hey, this is the way it should be done.'"

Is Snyder drinking this same water-headed BS?

Is he a tripple gold-platinum hang-out-with-tom-cruise scientology-honor guard member? Cause if so, the Church of Scientology is controlling the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Not taking any action, there are plenty of outlets for that. My point is put your money up or just keep on making long lists of what I would do..

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Okay, VegasJim, we're cool. I think I see the disconnect.

You're saying bet on the Skins to lose, I thought you were saying bet on the Skins to win.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

My point was that if you're positive that the Skins will lose on Sunday, and most of you seem to be, why not put your money where your mouth is, especially when the oddsmakers are spotting you 6.5 points?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

So?

I'm not going to bet against the Skins becuase I want them to win. Similar to me not betting against the terps if they make the tourney.

Does that mean I'm not allowed to think that they won't win?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

We've turned into a crappy version of the Never Won Nothing Seahawks.

Take the Seahawks, take away Hasselbeck.

What do you have?

That big, gay a55 Sean Alexander falling forward for a foot.

Oh, and one draw every six weeks that actually works.

Someone should have asked Zorn WHY does he like the West Coast Offense...

Because that's what Mike Holmgren said, that's why.

Lots of success it's gotten them. That's why they have all those Lombardi trophies out there.

We need to get back to our dang selves. This all started when we went and got DALLAS' Offensive Coordinator!!! We deserve all of this. We should trade every guy on the team and put together the best O Line in the History of the World. 3 deep at each position. Pay them ALL the money. No QB at all. Just pounding down people's faces with our gigantic RBs and our permanent Heavy Jumbo Package.

Count me in.

I'd LOVE it.

You get a team like that, even a wet towel like Russ Grimm should be able to keep them motivated.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And Put Collins in, already! Campbell holds the ball too long and he's the sole reason our Offense stinks! (Remember how well we did with Collins in during our playoff run, right?)

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

That was a different offense. It was an offshoot of the coryell offense that Todd had 12 years of experience with. Todd Collins isn't a WCO QB either. He also has a slow release and slow read progression. He will fail just as badly or even worse than JC. We don't have a WCO QB and only have 1 receiver that can play effectively in a WCO. We also have a TE that can play in a WCO. So yeah, that may be why we're failing.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

How many tired cliches do we need?

Posted by: TheCork

How about we blue sky this game plan or let it bake some more? I mean we could touch base on this offline, but going forward it would be best to knock out the low-hanging fruit first and give it 110% from the get-go as we start forward-planning and drill-down to the guts of the thing while we, as the primary demographic, try to think outside the box and come up with some bullet-points that we can run up the flagpole and come to terms with a net net plan and hit the ground running.

I hate myself for writing that.

Posted by: PuffyMcScrote | October 13, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim - I'll be betting the Chiefs +6.5 in a parlay.

Atl - 3
KC +6.5
Cinci -5
NE - 9.5

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

What are the draft selections we have next year?

Posted by: mitchellb75 | October 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Pabrian, my bad for not explaining. I'm an ex-Pat Fins fan on this blog.

I came 'up here' for a 3-hour tour and somehow got lost, so I stayed.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

theCork

"How many tired cliches do we need?"


I except the challenge.

Best Cliche's:

a. "See, what had happened was..."

b. "Just because I called you that, it doesn't make me a racist."

c. "Momma, you know I'd pay you back, but my wife will get mad."

d. "That is your baby. Look how small his penis is, it's just like yours!"

e. "My eyes are red because I'm tired."

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, I like those picks, let me know your results. Parlays are longshots, though.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Good to see you, Redcoat. As the kids say, where you been at?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins isn't a WCO QB either. He also has a slow release and slow read progression.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Did you watch ANY of the games 2 years ago?? You won those games in large part because he does have a quick release and quick reads. He's slower at running than Haynesworth getting up after a first down so his quick reads and release are ALL he has as a quarterback!

Good grief. I don't think TheTodd's the answer for you guys either now, but don't just make shti up as a contra argument for gawd's sake.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I see the quick fixes, but Zorn refuses to get it moving.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 1:27 PM

Uh-oh. 4th = Vin/Dan...you see the quick fixes? Because we're only "one player away" right 4th? One player at:

LT
RG
RT
Back-up T
Back-up G/C
TE#2
WR#2
WR#4
FB
RB#1
RB#2
QB
QB#2
DE#2
DT#2
CB#1

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey fz, new job, demands my actual attention pretty much all day. Which sucks, like such as.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 13, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Where is Pete Kendall and Levi Jones. Management is dumb. Why carry 4 running backs, two of which do not touch the ball (M. Mason and A. Alridge) when you NEED offensive linemen. We screwed up by releasing Jeremy Bridges to keep Marcus Mason - not a knock on Mason, but we don't know how to implement guys such that they make an impact. Now we're playing with a Practice Squad O-Line...THANKS SNYDER-RATO!!!!

Posted by: MadeRED | October 13, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Brooklyn, you and Chia Pet have both made statements about Snyder's being a Scientologist up here in the past few days. Could one of you provide a link to anything that bears out this claim? Are you just joking? Are you just making an inference because of the perceived close relationship between Snyder and Tom Cruise?

I despise Scientology based on everything I've read about it, but I'd want some kind of confirmation before adding it to the list of things I despise about Dan Snyder.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm so friggin' sleepy, you all may have discussed this already:


Rick Snider » Sources: Gruden atop Snyder's wish list
By: Rick Snider
Examiner Sports Columnist
October 13, 2009

Jon Gruden appears to be the frontrunner in Dan Snyder's offseason search for his seventh coach in 11 seasons.

Sources close to Snyder say he began considering options to replace coach Jim Zorn after losing to Detroit on Sept. 27; a victory that ended the Lions' 19-game losing streak. The Redskins loss to Carolina on Sunday was its second in three games to a winless team. It followed a turbulent week when Snyder hired an "offensive consultant" to give Zorn another "fresh set of eyes" on a beleaguered offense.

Snyder has not contacted Gruden, say sources, but he believes the former Oakland-Tampa Bay coach might be the best fit among five Super Bowl winning coaches without jobs. Gruden currently is a Monday Night Football commentator who arrives in Washington for the Redskins-Philadelphia Eagles game on Oct. 26. Snyder and Gruden could meet during routine pregame research for the MNF program.

Meanwhile, Snyder's interest seems to have tempered for former Denver coach Mike Shanahan, once considered the frontrunner because of his long relationship with Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Sources won't rule out Shanahan, but the latter's demand for more front office control makes it a less-likely hire. NFL sources say the two have discussed the job.

Sources close to Gruden said he plans to resume a coaching job search at season's end in his first break since becoming a college assistant in 1986. Gruden spent five years at three colleges before one season on offensive coordinator Mike Holmgren's San Francisco staff in 1990. After coaching receivers at the University of Pittsburgh in 1991, Gruden worked three years as a Green Bay assistant before becoming Philadelphia's offensive coordinator from 1995-97.

Gruden became the Oakland Raiders head coach in 1998, reaching the playoffs three of four seasons under controversial owner Al Davis. Gruden then coached Tampa Bay for seven years, wining Super Bowl XXXVIII in his first season with the Buccaneers.

After missing the playoffs four of his final six years, including finishing 9-7 last season, Gruden was fired with three years remaining on his contract. He has since declined an offer to become the University of Oregon's offensive coordinator.

Sources close to Gruden say he's interested in the Redskins because of Snyder's free spending. Gruden felt undermined by Tampa Bay owners because they were $45 million under the salary cap in his final season. The NFL won't have a salary cap next year, leaving Snyder to spend freely for the free agents that Gruden prefers.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim...lock of the week. I'm taking the Chiefs. Easy money, boss. Skins win 4-3

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

It might be a bit much to ask fans who have paid triple digits for tickets not to use those tickets at FedEx field. There are other things, though, fans can do to hit The Dan’s pocketbook:
1) Do not buy anything w/ a Redskins logo on it. The Dan gets a piece of each purchase. Wear all the generic burgundy and gold clothing you want. Just don’t buy official Redskins items.
2) If you attend FedEx field, don’t buy any food, souvenirs, or other concessions.
3) Do not watch on TV or listen on radio to any of the several programs/stations owned by Snyder’s Redskins Broadcast Network. If ratings go down, The Dan’s ad revenue goes down.
Above all, remember: you’re boycotting Snyder, not the Washington Redskins. Stay loyal to the players and coaches and to the traditions of the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

*Cont'd*

Snyder is seeking is a candidate willing to leave major personnel decisions to Cerrato and the owner. NFL sources close to Gruden said that's not an expected deal breaker.

"When the guy has worked in the worst environment in football in Al Davis, he'll not see this as a problem," an NFL source said. "Gruden really wants to coach."

Snyder also has considered former Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher and Holmgren, who won a title with Green Bay. The final available Super Bowl-winning coach - Tony Dungy - is expected to remain retired after leaving Indianapolis this year.

Cowher has long been Snyder's first choice, but NFL sources say the Steelers coach turned down the Redskins in 2007 before Zorn was hired and prefers to remain in broadcasting . Holmgren teased interest in an East Coast job and is expected to be pursued by several teams, including Dallas.

Indeed, Snyder's aggressive pursuit of coaches in coming weeks is partly to beat Dallas owner Jerry Jones to the top candidate should the Cowboys part with Wade Phillips.

Snyder has learned to be more proactive following the unexpected departures of Steve Spurrier (2003) and Joe Gibbs (2007). Snyder was completely surprised by Gibbs' retirement despite the latter indicating it in the weeks following Sean Taylor's murder. Gibbs quit two days after being eliminated in the opening round of the playoffs. Snyder met with a series of candidates before promoting Zorn from offensive coordinator.

Snyder was ready for the 2002 search after one season with Marty Schottenheimer, who also was team president. Snyder disliked not participating in personnel decisions for the only time since buying the team in 1999. A heated argument developed between Schottenheimer and Snyder's then minority partner, Fred Drasner, after one member of the coaching staff wouldn't let Drasner use a team vehicle. This, coupled with an 0-5 start, saw Snyder preparing for a switch in September. Schottenheimer was dismissed despite finishing 8-8.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If we are insistent on a roster spot for Aldridge, then PUT HIM IN THE DAMN GAME AND SEE WHAT HE CAN DO!

Also, let's see some creativity on offense with some new plays - naked pitch, slant and go (we threw like 7 slants Sunday and never even tried the slant and go thinking someone might be creeping up to jump the route). It's always the overthrown deep fade down the sldeline or the slow developing screen. Watch other teams and we are just so much less dynamic.

Posted by: quinn3 | October 13, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.

_______
IF Campbel had been playing with this bunch all year.. Thing is this has only been the guys he had since Sunday. And Campbell didn't look good when he had Thomas and pro bowler Samuels playing in front of him either.. No matter I say if Campbell can't do it put Collins in. It wasn't like the OL was much better in 2007.

Posted by: sovine08 | October 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell does have a good deep ball and he has great accuracy on intermediate routes. The only offense we've had this seaosn comes on those plays and it's no accident. we should keep him and put an offensive line in front of him. Then we get a young fresh running back. Abandon all things WCO. In order to be successful this team needs 2 tackles, a center, a RB, SLB, and a right guard.

2010
draft 2 linemen with first 2 picks. Make sure we get the best tackle on the board in the first round. We should be able to get a good blind side pass protector like Russel Okung. He can play right tackle for a year and eventually take over for samuels.

Draft Kristofer O'Dowd, Segio Render, or Brian Bulaga if they are still available. If not then draft the best RB and wait until the 4th round and take the best guard/center still available.

sign free agent strong side linebacker

2011
draft 2 more linemen with first 2 picks.

By 2013 we should be very good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim - Ive been dominating with money line parlays all year - and then this weekend happened.

#1
Philly
NYG
Pitt
Dallas
Minny
Indy - 3
Baltimore - blew it at the end.

#2
Indy -3 and over 43.5 - Wayne drops sure TD in 4th Q - score is 31-9 instead of 35-9.

#3
Jets - 3 and over 36. We all saw what happened.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Quick Fixes suggested by moi (Me in french):

* Abondon the Playbook
* Huddle up until 4 am with the offensive staff and get suggestions from all and incorporate it in as the Game Plan.
* Reduce Personnel Packages. Bring in Yoder for extra blocking protection.
* More Roll Outs
* More Deep Throws
* Less Gadget Plays.
* More 4wr Spread Sets.
* No More stretch Runs until further notice.
* 80 Crease/40&50 Gut.
* Less coaching up of the QB and just let his game come.
* Keep Davis on the Bench...for now.
* More throws to MK12.
* More Plays for DT11.
* Less plays for ARE (We have to start the youth movement)

Book it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

4-12, Best of both worlds, your team wins and YOU make money from your expert opinion. It's called the Point Spread.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe...I pick (E)

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 13, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the article Red, hadn't read that before.

Don't know enough about Gruden to say whether he will be the answer for the skins.

All I know is his name isn't Jim Zorn and at this point that is good enough for me.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Quite familiar with the point spread. Maybe I'm misreading your argument. Are you saying 'real fans' [barfing at that term] should bet the Skins to cover? And we're a 'hater' [barfing again] if we pick the Chiefs to cover?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, That's the problem with those parlay bets, 1 team can mess the whole thing up. But it makes a Sunday exciting.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

red, thanks for posting, however to go back to our NBA convo, Cleveland was just keeping it warm while KG got right...shaq is too old/broken down at this point...

That being said, not sure how I feel about Gruden??

I am in FULL boycott mode...I REFUSE to go to the game on Sunday, I refuse to eat anything from the stadium, and I will NOT be buying anything resembling a Redskins jersey....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

* Less plays for ARE (We have to start the youth movement)

Posted by: 4thFloor

Ummmm, the youth movement HAS begun in a serious way. Rabach is the only 'old' OL starting this weekend. We're much younger in 4 OL spots compared to last year at this time. We have 2 young WRs that are getting plays -- just not many catches.

Our DBs are young and Tryon is getting on the field. Orakpo is playing a lot, Jarmon will get more PT with Daniels out.

This team is playing a lot of young/inexperienced players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Campbell really doesn't have a good deep ball. It might look good in the air, but he never gets enough arc on the pass and overthrows the receiver far more than he hits them.

I'm surprised Santana Moss hasn't accidentally backed up over Campbell in the parking lot at Redskin Park.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

LT
RG
RT
Back-up T
Back-up G/C
TE#2
WR#2
WR#4
FB
RB#1
RB#2
QB
QB#2
DE#2
DT#2
CB#1

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse


Actually not a terrible order as to what needs to be fixed first. Though I would move RB1 up past backup G/C.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We need a coach who knows how to manage a game in todays NFL. No up and coming guys. We need a coach who has been there before. Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren, would be fine. These coaches demand respect and Snyder (I hope) would let them choose a personel guy. The only up and comer I like is Grimm. He's fat, nasty and seems like a disciplinarian. We need a guy who players would respect.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

john feinstein is right. stop going to the games. let snyder move the team to la. lets get a new team in here without a racist name and new ownership. ok, go.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 13, 2009 9:39 AM |

Stop with the racist name jackaZZ, Danny didn't make up the name and if you think JKC would change the name you are crazy.

They is no getting a new team there is one Redskins, thats it there is no other nickname for the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 13, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Your argument does not make any sense. First, did JKC come anywhere into my argumen? NO. Second, the Redskins is the most racist name in professional sports and only a bigot / ignorant anal wart would fail to realize. Third, Daniel Snyder is an idiot and I would be happier if he moved the team to LA and we started with a new team, new name. Fourth, I am still trying to see how your reply debates the fact at hand at all. Fifth, everyone on this blog is retarted. Except for NateinthePDX.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 13, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

4-12, You're making my head spin. I'm saying that the naysayers (haters) should put up real money on the Chiefs plus 6.5 if they are so positive that the Skins will lose, if they have the balls to do that. If not, just keep complaining and make your what I would do if I was GM lists.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder was ready for the 2002 search after one season with Marty Schottenheimer, who also was team president. Snyder disliked not participating in personnel decisions for the only time since buying the team in 1999."

This sums up all of our problems. He is too concerned about himself instead of what is best for the Redskins.

1. Cowher
2. Gruden
3. Vinny (if we can't get the other two, maybe this will be the only way to get him fired).

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 13, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about more O-Line help?

Who is Vinny going to bring in to be our 6th string running back, now that we had another O-Lineman go down?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | October 13, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

everyone on this blog is retarted. Except for NateinthePDX.


You lost any credibility you had in that last sentence....WOW...Nate?? Really??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato must go

Posted by: pquick6165 | October 13, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

We have 2 young WRs that are getting plays -- just not many catches.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 2:01 PM

I disagree. DT11 is hardly on the field because ARE is in front of him. Sit ARE down and insert DT11 for breakaway speed and throw it down field more often to MK12.

This is not happening. DT11 was in for maybe 10 plays. But has more athleticisim than ARE.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

No prob y'all. Haven't yet read anything about a potential Zorn replacement, but found it interesting that Dan Snider mentioned that Danny Boy Snyder will look during the off-season.

If that's the case then the 'skins are going to ride Corny Zorny's wheels the rest of the season.

Bean, watch out for those Wizards. The last time Arenas was healthy, the Wiz won the season series against them C's.

That's if the Wiz stay healthy.

Oh, and I'd much rather see Boston at the top of the East than Cleveland -- F Cleveland and LeB!tch James.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If we can't get rid of Snyder, then Vinny will work for me.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 13, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
I would say Nate is not retarted, but I would also say that most of the people here are not retarted
BTW-retarded, even me the guy who can't spell saw that.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I could root for a new DC team with a totally new name. Some dumb a$$ shti like The Washington Monuments, or The Washington Warriors. I would vomit. What is all this "move the team to LA" talk? They had a team twice and it didn't work out.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

“You’ve just got to let it play out,” Casserly said. “Washington’s problems seem to be deeper. They just can’t find a way to score points...”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/sports/football/13fast.html?hpw

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse


I remember when I had the same problem. Simple solution to it. Easy girls and booze.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Only problem is the ugliest of the easy girls are whipping our butts right now ;-)

Posted by: rjohnson66 | October 13, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

One thing we do know for sure is that we will have a top 5 draft pick, and whether we like it or not it is going to be a QB. Sam Bradford will go to the Rams and Colt Mccoy will be going to the Raiders. If Jon Gruden is our coach we will most surley draft Tim Tebow. He would be a fit in a West Coast offnense which coach Gruden would run. Gruden seems to drool over the Wildcat which he would most likely install. Tebow would fit into that roll perfectly

Posted by: mitchellb75 | October 13, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I love JC, this is not his fault.

Go find a new place to play and flourish...

We know JC's gone can we at least commit on the field to Sam Bradford...

Only losing 11-12 games might not be good enough!!!

Posted by: carsonspence | October 13, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

al, but of all people why Nate??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Using the word "retarted" makes you look "retarded".

Posted by: Predator48 | October 13, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Since we "can't" find available lineman, Chase Daniels has been released from the Saints practice squad, we should at least fill our vacant practice squad with him.

Posted by: clark202 | October 13, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Fifth, everyone on this blog is retarted. Except for NateinthePDX."


Posted by: BMACattack


Just when you thought it wasn't possible to suck and blow at the same time...

Damn, boy, suck up much? Not to be confused with Chiefs Kicker, Ryan Succop, who the 'skins should be getting mighty familiar with this coming Sunday.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I disagree. DT11 is hardly on the field because ARE is in front of him. Sit ARE down and insert DT11 for breakaway speed and throw it down field more often to MK12.

This is not happening. DT11 was in for maybe 10 plays. But has more athleticisim than ARE.

Posted by: 4thFloor

DT11 was the target on 2 of the more important plays this season. One in the endzone vs the Rams, the other the long ball vs Carolina that puts us in FG range late in the 4th. Both times, he had two hands on the ball, and both times, he came up empty.

You want more?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Jon Runyan!! RT, tough as nails, knows the WC offense from Holmgren so he knows the pass blocking schemes and he can flat out run block.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | October 13, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Since we "can't" find available lineman, Chase Daniels has been released from the Saints practice squad, we should at least fill our vacant practice squad with him.


We already have a qb on our practice squad. Andre Woodson

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
Nate was the leader of the old gang of hamsters.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Your argument does not make any sense. First, did JKC come anywhere into my argumen? NO. Second, the Redskins is the most racist name in professional sports and only a bigot / ignorant anal wart would fail to realize. Third, Daniel Snyder is an idiot and I would be happier if he moved the team to LA and we started with a new team, new name. Fourth, I am still trying to see how your reply debates the fact at hand at all. Fifth, everyone on this blog is retarted. Except for NateinthePDX.


Posted by: BMACattack | October 13, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The name Redskins is not racist. In order for it to be racist is must be used pejoratively and there is no historical evidence that it ever was. In fact there is only evidence to the contrary. It is no different than calling someone black or white. You only think it's racist because some ignorant political activist filed a lawsuit and because the news said so.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Really?!!!! So teams with good offensive lines like the Giants, Ravens, Chargers, Colts, Patriots..... don't have anyone on their practice squads better than the group we will be shoving out Sunday. I have a hard time believing this to be the case. Go to the teams that consistently find good talent along the o-line and bring them in.

Posted by: hokie34 | October 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know that Ryan Succop was the 2009 Mr. Irrelevant.

He will be very relevant on Sunday. He'll score the most points.

Chiefs: 26
Redskins: 13

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"How hard is Jon Jansen laughing right now"

Why would he be laughing?? The team offered him a chance to retire, and he wanted one last money grab with the lions. He's playing on extra points, and not much more...so again why is he laughing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

Oh I dunno, maybe still having a few chuckles about his new team beating his old team.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

red, if that happens, I'm prolly gonna smash something.....ugh...I'm not even giving that a thought...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, Are you willing to put real money on your prediction?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The young kids need to play. Let DT11 play the slot this week. Alridge needs to be active and in the ballgame. Id love to see him get 5 carries. What could it hurt? Jarmon should start.

Posted by: brian58 | October 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

cork, is he also laughing about being in denial about his skills, and coming across as in it for the money, more than anything else??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The only way to get the owners attension is for those who are going to the game for what ever the reason.Maybe the real reason you just like to watch a train wreck

You all need to start as soon as they kick off the Chant Sell the team .He may not hear it but it will get played on the local news and he is then sure to hear it or hear about it

Then just keep it up evrey time you blogg or chime in end it with Sell the team

This may convicne him to finally do just that

Posted by: joevick | October 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Always dangerous when heads start spinning.
Chiefs getting 6.5 is a gift. My real money is going to that, as I'm sticking with a thrilling 4-3 Skins win.
Then again, I won't be surprised if they lose 1-0 either.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I'm with you. Good luck!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

DT11 was the target on 2 of the more important plays this season. One in the endzone vs the Rams, the other the long ball vs Carolina that puts us in FG range late in the 4th. Both times, he had two hands on the ball, and both times, he came up empty.

You want more?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 2:20 PM

YES!! Just 2 times??!?! This is the time to earn trust. Against these sorry teams we're playing. We're losing anyway!

Zorn is playing Scared and acting like a fool when it's time to be a HC.

F 1 or 2 chances! If at 1st you don't succeed, dust yourself off and try again!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me that when Danny and Joe Gibbs had dinner in Charlotte the other day, he floated the idea of becoming president of football operations or something like that...he's the only person in the world who can shut Danny up...

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder does not deserve all of this bashing!!!

He "wants to win more than any of us!"

And Put Collins in, already! Campbell holds the ball too long and he's the sole reason our Offense stinks! (Remember how well we did with Collins in during our playoff run, right?)

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Either you start to actually use your eyes and your brain, or you need to change your name Thinker. Because it is not working for you. No one with actually football knowledge can possibly THINK this.

Posted by: gcoles32 | October 13, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim, I only bet Pizzas -- from Papa John's.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Teams send the house at us now. If we don't max protect, Campbell's on the run almost immediately. How can we establish a vertical passing game when our qb has 2 or 3 seconds to throw? I don't see our Line getting any better this year. Our offense will continue to be stagnant. We have nothing to lose playing Alridge and Marko. At least let them get some XP so we can determine if they are worth keeping.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

YES!! Just 2 times??!?! This is the time to earn trust. Against these sorry teams we're playing. We're losing anyway!

Zorn is playing Scared and acting like a fool when it's time to be a HC.

F 1 or 2 chances! If at 1st you don't succeed, dust yourself off and try again!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, DT dropped the ball. Period. Quit blaming that on Zorn...

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time to try Lorenzo Alexander on offense again.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 13, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, Are you willing to put real money on your prediction?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ignore VegasJim, he has relapsed from his gambling addiction rehab and now believes the only way to validate opinions is whether a person is willing to bet on it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

F James Zorn

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Tom Tebow = every Nebraska QB that couldn't play QB in the NFL.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

We're using the word "tart" this season, y'all... it's just as offensive as the other one, but it's funnier, and we spell it differently to make ourselves feel a little better. So "retarted" is right.

That said, BMAC, in calling me out as the only one up here who's not retarted, I hope you meant that I'm the only one going full retart...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Holy smoke. I'm picturing a UN relief mission to bale out the OL at half-time, parachute drop of Jim Lachey, sandbags and band-aids, BMW scrambling to get on the last chopper out of Saigon/Fedex, slo-mos with Carmina Burana over the top. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | October 13, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim = BetBot2000

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Who's blaming Zorn for dropped passes. I said continue to throw the ball to the young WR. Irregardless of catching or dropping the ball. JC17 throws to MK12 all the time after practice. But that doesn't work. So, try to throw it to him during the game and maybe that'll work.

I blame Zorn for making stupid HC decisions and stubborness to tweak his game plan.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Careful JohnD, if gatorskinz reads that he'll surely crap his khakis.

Dude really think Tebow can be a great QB.

Lol @ the Nebraska QBs... Tommy Frazier... the one scrambling QB that the Rams converted into a safety....

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Redskins is an inherently racist name. It was coined by one group to designate another group solely on the basis of the perceived color of their skin; AND the group to which it refers has never accepted it as a term that they would in anyway consider within their own sense of racial or ethnic identification. In short, no native americans refer to themselves as redskins. Additionally, no accepted demographical, antropological, or sociological authority uses the term as an accepted designation of race or ethnicity. While it can be argued that the terms black or white, in certain contexts, would be pejorative also, they are also the accepted nomenclature, right now, for the vast majority of all accepted authorities AND by a vast majority of those members who would be categorized as either race.

But I agree, the racist name, though unfortunate, is not why the team is losing. For those of us right minded folks who are willing to express what should be obvious to those who are either inured to it or who are racists and don't mind its use, it does provide a bit of Schadenfreude.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Who's blaming Zorn for dropped passes. I said continue to throw the ball to the young WR. Irregardless of catching or dropping the ball. JC17 throws to MK12 all the time after practice. But that doesn't work. So, try to throw it to him during the game and maybe that'll work.

I blame Zorn for making stupid HC decisions and stubborness to tweak his game plan.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but this isn't a high patience league, so you gotta make the most of your chances. With the game on the line, it would have been huge for DT to make that catch. Alot of people would have trusted him more from then on out. Instead he dropped it, and until proven otherwise he isn't reliable...as for the stubborn streak and not changing the game plan, he did -- he threw it out the window once he realized we had matadors on the offensive line...

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Tom Tebow = every Nebraska QB that couldn't play QB in the NFL.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 13, 2009 2:43 PM


Tim Tebow, on the other hand...

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The High Roller, Part One:

Imagine a young man who walks into a casino, pockets full of money, and decides he wants to play blackjack. 21 was his favorite game as a child, and he has made a promise that, as soon as he is old enough, he will go to Vegas to become the world’s best player. He steps onto the casino floor and observes a few hands. He notices that the game has the same basic rules as what he played as a child, but that there are so many more options when money is on the table. In watching only a few hands, he sees that if a player splits a pair or doubles down, he could realize winnings much more than the other players who don’t. Twice the winnings in the span of one game. Why, he thought, would any player use any other strategy than this? The young man shoulders through the crowd to the big money table, sits down, bets, and starts to play. He doubles down on 4, and loses. He doubles down on a 10, with several other 9s and 10-value cards already on the table, and loses. He splits pairs of 2s and 3s, then doubles down on them. The young man loses a bundle, but never changes his strategy. This is what he observed to win the biggest amount of money the quickest, so that is how to play to be the best player in the world. Word spreads about his enthusiasm for the game, as it does for the shunning of probability and accepted basic strategy or card-counting that long-term winners use. Even with his losing, the amount of money he spends attracts admirers and on-lookers who, whether they believe in his strategy or not, are drawn to the excitement, the unorthodoxy, of it. In between games, he’s in the bar touting his strategy, flashing his newly acquired chips; next game, it's going to work. Other players come and go at the tables, night after night, week after week. Many of them do better than he does on any given night, and nearly all players do better than him over the course of weeks or months. No one spends as much money as he does. As the net losses mount, concerned dealers and those that follow the big money table question the young man about his strategy. This, he would respond, is how you win – I’ve seen it work. When challenged to observe how other players, though earning what seem to him small money on each bet, are accumulating wins over long periods of time through careful adherence to Basic Strategy (combined with the very infrequent gut bet), he refuses the evidence. Why, he said, would I want to invest that time when I can win now and win big by doubling down? I’ve seen it work, he’d say. As he continues to lose to the players who deploy basic strategy, he becomes more chaotic in his betting, hitting on 19 or 20 again and again, doubling down on almost every hand...

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Eric Couch, or Crouch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time to try Lorenzo Alexander on offense again.

Posted by: Redskinrex

good idea, heavy jumbo on every run play, make them stop us

run, run , pass and repeat

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Teams send the house at us now. If we don't max protect, Campbell's on the run almost immediately. How can we establish a vertical passing game when our qb has 2 or 3 seconds to throw? I don't see our Line getting any better this year. Our offense will continue to be stagnant. We have nothing to lose playing Alridge and Marko. At least let them get some XP so we can determine if they are worth keeping.

Posted by: FedorEm

I said it a couple weeks back. Use the shotgun with Sellers in the backfield for pass protection 20 plays a week. Run the shotgun 30 times with Portis or Betts in on the other 10 plays. Throw from under center 10-15 times. Run from under center 10-15 times.

Play action less than 5 times per game.

Do that, and we'd be 4-1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@RedDMV -

No Bama. It was Eric Couch.

Bama

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The High Roller, Part Two

Why on earth would anyone back such a player? He would only win big on a pure statistical miracle, a chance becoming even more remote when the number of other players who are either counting cards or more strictly following the probabilities of basic strategy is constantly increasing. Why would you give a cent to such a player? Maybe at first, when you are caught up in the excitement, or because he represents your hometown. But after continual wrong-headed bets and an apparent inherent stubbornness to accept the proven, yet longer realized, strategies – why would anyone continue to back him to the tune of thousands of dollars, heartbreak and disappointment? In following the Washington Redskins, with Daniel Snyder as the owner, this is exactly what you are doing. You are waiting for a statistical miracle that every season becomes more and more remote. You are accepting the losing and loss of money even when evidence everywhere shows that it is the wrong way to run a winning team. The good thing for you, is that you can walk away from the table. Take your pride and what’s left of your money, and simply walk away.

Smart money, integrity, and heart are all playing elsewhere. I suggest you follow it.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Usually by Week 5, anyone who can play is on a roster somewhere, and we're now in Week 6.
___________________________________________

Unbelievable! The Skins knew they had offensive line woes for years. They should of been hitting the wire for help way before week 5. Danny Boy and his boy blunder Vinny are pathetic.

Posted by: akjproductions | October 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Paragraphs, dammit.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

who was that great team with a bad O line?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Redskins shopping Anthony Montgomery
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 13, 2009 2:47 PM ET
Redskins defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery was displaced in the starting lineup by Albert Haynesworth this offseason, and now might be sent right off the roster.

A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that Montgomery is being shopped in advance of next week's trading deadline.

A starter for 21 games between 2007-2008, Montgomery has not been active this season.

The decision to shop Montgomery comes after the team found out that Philip Daniels will play through a torn biceps, and the team re-signed Renaldo Wynn Monday

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

In short, no native americans refer to themselves as redskins.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 13, 2009 2:50 PM


Actually, the first recorded use of the word "red skin" was spoken by an Indian chief in 1815. He used the word "white skin" in the same sentence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/02/AR2005100201139.html

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

campbell started nailing that smoke route to Moss and Thomas a few times.

this is a good chance for JC to make plays with his feet and that canon.

here's the new line
Yoder-Alexander-Heyer-DOck-Bach-RHino-Boomer-Cooley-Davis - 9 man line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

4-12, You're making my head spin. I'm saying that the naysayers (haters) should put up real money on the Chiefs plus 6.5 if they are so positive that the Skins will lose, if they have the balls to do that. If not, just keep complaining and make your what I would do if I was GM lists.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

________________________

Yes, everyone must want to back up their opinions and thoughts financially in ways that could potentially lead to addiction and bankruptcy... or they can not have an opinion at all!

Being either right or wrong just isn't good enough! Place your bets!

Posted by: dfbovey | October 13, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Bean.

4th, you buck-toothed bama, I didn't mean that Tommy Frazier was the converted safety. That dude never made to the NFL because of blood clots always forming in his legs.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for posting, but not sure it makes sense. Monty has/had/is coming off a knee injury for starters, not to mention that how effective is Daniels going to be playing with a torn tricep muscle??

Doesn't seem right does it??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that Montgomery is being shopped in advance of next week's trading deadline.

A starter for 21 games between 2007-2008, Montgomery has not been active this season.

The decision to shop Montgomery comes after the team found out that Philip Daniels will play through a torn biceps, and the team re-signed Renaldo Wynn Monday

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, please don't let us lose a draft pick or three in this trade...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 13, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Bama Fights up here > Bum Fights

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

They are trying to trade the wrong guy.

They need to think: BETTS -- for a third and fifth round pick.

And cash.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"not to mention that how effective is Daniels going to be playing with a torn tricep muscle"?

Actually, it's the biceps and they reported it shouldn't limit him. Torn triceps is a season ender.

Posted by: ksquare | October 13, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The decision to shop Montgomery comes after the team found out that Philip Daniels will play through a torn biceps, and the team re-signed Renaldo Wynn Monday

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 2:57 PM |

Lemme 'splain how this works.

If they trade him for a sixth rounder, then Daniels will be out with surgery and Wynn will be out six weeks with a knee injury.

If they don't trade him for a third rounder, then both Daniels and Winn will be fine and Mongomery will be on permanent inactive.

This is known as Vinnie's Luck. And all the guys up here with perfect 20-20 hindsight will blast him regardless of what happens.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Redskins is an inherently racist name. It was coined by one group to designate another group solely on the basis of the perceived color of their skin; AND the group to which it refers has never accepted it as a term that they would in anyway consider within their own sense of racial or ethnic identification. In short, no native americans refer to themselves as redskins. Additionally, no accepted demographical, antropological, or sociological authority uses the term as an accepted designation of race or ethnicity. While it can be argued that the terms black or white, in certain contexts, would be pejorative also, they are also the accepted nomenclature, right now, for the vast majority of all accepted authorities AND by a vast majority of those members who would be categorized as either race.

But I agree, the racist name, though unfortunate, is not why the team is losing. For those of us right minded folks who are willing to express what should be obvious to those who are either inured to it or who are racists and don't mind its use, it does provide a bit of Schadenfreude.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Everything you just said is wrong.


First off, the term was coined by one group to describe themselves. It is comes from a French translation of a term used by Indian chiefs to describe their own people.

Secondly, the group has accepted it as a term of identification and there is documented proof they used it widely in the 16th-19th centuries.

Third, black and white can not be considered pejorative. You need to learn what the word pejorative means. In order to be pejorative the term must have a negative connotation. Simply describing ones skin color is not negative.

Fourth, several surveys have been sent out in all 50 states and they have all returned the same results. The overwhelming majority of native american are not offended by the use of the term. You can bash the survey methods all you want but the truth is that they don't care.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Montgomery, our 2010 second round draft pick and a ham salad sandwich to the New York Sentinels for Simeon Rice.

Book it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

LMAO @ Bum Fights... LOL!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

beepins

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Really?!!!! So teams with good offensive lines like the Giants, Ravens, Chargers, Colts, Patriots..... don't have anyone on their practice squads better than the group we will be shoving out Sunday. I have a hard time believing this to be the case. Go to the teams that consistently find good talent along the o-line and bring them in.

Posted by: hokie34 | October 13, 2009 2:24 PM
_____________________

No they don't. You're acting like the practice squad is 20 deep. The Patriots have 1 OT, the Steelers have 1 C, Chargers 1 C, Giants have 1 G/T, and the Ravens have 2 OT's. That's not a lot to choose from, especially since the G/T of the Giants has been on the practice squad for 3 years and the Ravens are 2nd and 3rd year practice squad players with no experiene. The rest are undrafted rookies.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | October 13, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but this isn't a high patience league, so you gotta make the most of your chances. With the game on the line, it would have been huge for DT to make that catch. Alot of people would have trusted him more from then on out. Instead he dropped it, and until proven otherwise he isn't reliable...as for the stubborn streak and not changing the game plan, he did -- he threw it out the window once he realized we had matadors on the offensive line...

Posted by: mattylight | October 13, 2009 2:50 PM

If you have NFLN, I suggest to you that you rewatch the next time it comes on, the 1998 NFC WildCard game between SanFran and Green Bay featuring the 'Catch II'.

T.O. was just Terell Owens and not yet a superstar. HE was in his 2nd/3rd season. And he had ATLEAST 4 or 5 drops that hit his chest in that playoff game. Jerry Rice had only one reception that game.

Last Play of the game, SanFran down, Steve Young, despite Terell dropping all of those previous balls threw it to him anyway. He caught it, despite a mean hit from Darren Sharper.

And BAM...T.O. was born...Out of the fear of being the GOAT, to tears of 'I did it B!t#s'.

And they were doing interviews between plays, and Steve Young said he had faith in T.O. the whole time and he just wanted to make sure his head was still in the game, which it was. And right before he threw it, he said he knew he would catch that ball, which he did.

Now what were you saying? Because as I watch these games, like I said. Zorn and JC17 obviously don't trust MK12 nor DT11...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.

By Jason Reid | October 13, 2009; 11:28 AM ET

If this is the case and the O-line was considered at best average anyway, why would are we talking about future coaching changes, when the problems on this team are largely the creation of "management"?

Posted by: cannontl | October 13, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sign Jon Runyan and Pete Kendall this week. Swallow some crow and make the team better now! These 2 are available now and would be better than what we have.

Posted by: bricklacey | October 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Well it looks like the blog has gotten off the bash Zorn play calling crap. JC has only had one bad game and we won that one. I would like to know what is up with cp. Is it really age people said that 2 years ago.

Snyder is a clueless monkey.

Posted by: mul123 | October 13, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If sleepy jumps one more time, 5 yards short of the first down, I will do harm to myself or others.

Posted by: mul123 | October 13, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty obvious the Redskins front office has thrown in the towel for this season....even to trying to field a team that can compete. There ARE free agents available who could come in off the street and start that are better than BMW and Rinehart. Kendall could easily start at RG on short notice - he knows the offense and has played next to Rabach for 2 years.

Jon Runyan is battle tested, durable vet who the Eagles released because of his age and salary cap #. He would be a huge upgrade at RT over BMW or Heyer. Vinny simply doesn't want to admit that he's made a lot of bad personnel and coaching decisions since Gibbs retired. It's better for him that Zorn fail miserably with the current roster and then take the fall.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 13, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Just listening to Ken Harvey. Man, that guy has a competitive spirit.

Has Danny ever talked to that guy. Listening to Ken made me want to go out and play again.

I think the Redskins could use him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 13, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

dfbovey, If placing a small bet on a football game will make you an addict or bankrupt you, if may not be a good idea. Just stay addicted to posting "what I would do if I was GM lists" that's addicting, but it doesn't cost a lot.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Redmv. Watch out for that Papa John addiction!!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

COME on ... all you coaches need to REJECT SNYDERATO! Demand a real GM!!!

Posted by: tony325 | October 13, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn is not the guy to blame for this. 5 head coaches in 10 years couldn't win with the rosters they had. All of the coaches weren't crap. The team has spent all of its $$ on a few big name players to keep the hype going and forget the losing. The drafts have been bad, what few picks they get. It's time for new upper management and let the coaches do their jobs. Even retreads like Gruden, Cowher and Shanahan wont do any better. Besides other than Cowher they were all fired for losing. So let pay one of them $10mil a year, hype it up and then lose more games.

Posted by: alaskantuf_99 | October 13, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Good to see you, Redcoat. As the kids say, where you been at?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I second the notion. And Greg why the hating on Nate? He is the most medium of the crowd.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 13, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

All the money Snyder has so far spent on the free agents, if it was spent on free beer at the FedEx he would atleast have the fan loyalty.

Posted by: DesiHungama | October 13, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE, not Jon Gruden. He's just weird.

And not Shanahan either. He drove Denver into the ground - did NADA without Elway, and who couldn't win with Elway? (Other than Reeves).

Holmgren - what did he do in Seattle? NADA. Thanks for the Super Bowl Ring, Favre (and Desmond Howard)

Cowher, I'd go for, but I doubt HE would come here. Plus, there's that matter of impatience... Like when he blew two years trying to develope Kordell Stewart. And then how many years with Brister, Maddox, and the guy who threw the game to Larry Brown twice. Still, Cowher's teams never gave up, never had a run like ours is going, and he's a decent, fired up typa guy (Defense First)

If Cowher won't come, Blatche will do. I like to hear him talk.

Oh, screw it! The owner and his buddy will put a bunch of fantasy players together and undermine the coach anyway.

HELP!! Not Chuckie! I can't stand to watch him make his artificial "Angry Man" faces while he talks in his "I'm An Angry Man" artificial voice. I'd probably go for it if I was 16, but I can't look past the act and he's done nothing in many years. He definitely isn't an idiot when it comes to coaching, but the trade off isn't worth it.

Plus, he and Snyder will butt heads BADLY. Mark my words. Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones... Minus the Super Bowls.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

FIRE CERRATO NOW!

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | October 13, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

And Betts is done. He's finished. Why not let Mason and Aldrige play? Nothing to lose at this point. And maybe Aldrige actually knows how to field a punt properly and run with the dang ball

Posted by: BenThere | October 13, 2009 12:41 PM
You mean you are actually supposed to RUN with the ball after you field a punt? I could have sworn there was some kind of rule change requiring Randel El to just sit there and wait to get tackled.

Posted by: kenboy1 | October 13, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

LANGSTON WALKER!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: the_wickster2000 | October 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Edwards and Sanchez looked good, but Sanchez led them to a LOSS. I'm sure Jets fan are dissapointed. How bout those Ravens and Caps, a combined 6 game losing streak. Should their owners Sell?

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009
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There is a BIG difference between playing the best you can and and losing to an equally good team than playing with a devil may care, don't care whether or not you win, and screw the fans attitude because we're getting big fat paychecks. The Skins DO NOT CARE, plain and simple. That's why divos like Portis and the 100 million dollar man Haynesworth can underproduce and thrive and get away with it.

Posted by: jameon | October 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

How is it that Jeremy Bridges can start 14 games for the 12-4 and run dominant Carolina Panthers last year and make the Super Bowl runner-up Arizona Cardinal's roster, but he isn't good enough for the lousy Skins?

Posted by: saqster | October 13, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones (OT)
Kwami Harris (OT)
Pete Kendal (OG)

let Kendal, who knows the offense and blocking schemes play RG . . . BIG improvment over what we currently are playing . . .

Either Levi Jones OR Kwami Harris is a HUGE upgrade over Heyer/Williams . . .

come on . . . don't tell me there is no help available . . . the skins just have NO clue . . .

Our Practice squad was raped last year . . . gonna tell me nobody out there has players on their practice squad that are better that we have??? AGAIN, the FO has NO F-IN CLUE

Posted by: jonbutina | October 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse
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THANK YOU!

This post makes me think the Mayor doesn't really know much about football. Now if he said there isn't anyone available for what the Team wants to spend, then that would be something else.

Posted by: keino83 | October 13, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato...Why can't he go become best friends with some other owner. Why not Jerry Jones, he has no friends.

Posted by: josettes | October 14, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

JR, Please don't make excuses for them. Vinny blew this last April. Saying he can't fix his latest screw-up because it is too late is no excuse. We all have to recognize that even if there were pro-bowl linemen available that Vinny would be doing the hiring. So waht do you think we would get?????

It just doesn't matter as long a Danny has this team by the short hairs and can employ guys like Vinny.

Posted by: boomer5 | October 14, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Ok... I agree and have said for the last 2 weeks that the OL is weak. It is even weaker than I thought.

Given that there are no OL players worth recruiting (I'll concede that point), then we need some running backs to help with the blocking. I'm no great football expert, but it seems that we'd have to keep Sellers and Portis/Betts in backfield to help block on most passing downs. Redskins should abandon one back offense. I don't understand why we don't do that? Sellers is big and can block, and I think if it is explained to Portis, he'll stay in and block.

Then, maybe occasionally JR can throw long, which is is best asset.

There were past seasons when Gibbs had lots of injuries to the line, and they came up with schemes to work around it with some success. What is so different this time?

Enlighten me.

Posted by: stamatakosnick | October 14, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

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