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Jansen Happy to Be Home -- and With a Win

Once a fixture at right tackle for the Washington Redskins, Jon Jansen lined up against his former teammates for the first time and celebrated with his new ones after the Detroit Lions ended a 19-game losing streak with a 19-14 victory Sunday afternoon at Ford Field.

"It was a little different, but we're happy to get a victory," Jansen said as he stood outside the visitors' locker room wearing a Lions baseball cap.


Jansen was waiting for center Casey Rabach and long snapper Ethan Albright, among his closest friends during a Redskins career that began when the team selected him out of Michigan in the second round of the 1999 NFL draft.

With Jansen's skills in pass protection having eroded after overcoming major injuries in a long career, the Redskins released him in May and the Michigan native quickly signed with the Lions. A backup on Detroit, Jansen played Sunday and helped the Lions' offensive and defensive linemen with scouting reports and tips on the Redskins.

"I feel bad for Casey and I feel bad for Ethan," Jansen said. "But like I said, I'm happy we got the win."

Continuing his career with the Lions has been good professionally and personally for the Lions, Jansen said.

"It's been great," he said. "This is my home, my home town, and I'm excited to be back home and playing in front of my home fans."

By Jason Reid  |  September 27, 2009; 8:35 PM ET
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Everyone seems happier once they leave the Skins organization.

Posted by: jj250 | September 27, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

From previous thread:

LOL... Redskins fans are some of the most fickle fans I've ever seen. Just because the Skins lost doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There are 13 games left in the season.

Yes, it is the HC's responsibility to have his team prepared to play, but ULTIMATELY, the team has to perform. This afternoon, the Skins came out flat and got punished for it. Special teams was the only unit that showed up. We saw a glimmer of of this team's potential at the beginning of the 2nd half when they scored and it's apparent that Zorn hasn't lost this team. However, the team's play was inconsistent and they were unable to maintain their momentum from that score.

What some of you all have to understand is that in any sport, whether it's football, basketball or MMA, you can catch a "L." That's why we compete and play games. It's the unknown. You never know what will happen.

Detroit showed last week against Minnesota, that they could hang, because they were giving the Vikings the blues. I figured it would be a tough game, but by no means a gimme (there's no such thing as stated in my previous paragraph).

I know I'm in the minority, but give Zorn & Campbell the rest of the season as they may be able to pull it together. If not, and Zorn loses the team, then by all means, it's time for a change. JZ set the bar unreasonably high for himself with his 6-2 start last season, but reality set in after that. I know we're all hoping for lightning to strike again, but lightning never strikes in the same place twice. Let's be patient and let these next 13 games play out.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Hard-hitting analysis from "The Mayor."

We all really care about Jansen's gloating right now.

Posted by: amcg | September 27, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

That was an unexpected bump in the road. I guess we'll finish 17-2, not 18-1. Oh well, it could be worse.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

This really is a low of lows, but somehow if this team can rally their "man hood", I think they can rebound and be 2-2 after next week. They are going to meet a hungry team. This team will get boo'd as they enter the field and they deserve it. After that, leave it alone and rally around what potentially can be a long win streak..... ( a man can dream cant he? )

CLEGG

HTTR, 82, 88, 91!!!!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 27, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The skins and nats are embarrassments to the Washington sports scene . Thank god we have the Caps! =p

Posted by: tvn22 | September 27, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams, anybody?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Jansen - shut the hell up!

Posted by: VegasJim | September 27, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

JinxMan you are right on the money, totally agree with your comments

Posted by: realchica | September 27, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Jansen - Shut the hell up.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 27, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

This team would be much worse at him at Right Tackle.... The Danny sold his soul to get this team, hence all of the whacky crap that happens... ( Now that is being objective, right? )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 27, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

"...Oh well, it could be worse..."


If it's gonna be 'worse,' let's hope it's top 5 pick, round one draft worse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Funny. I remember how I used to laugh inside when Joe Gibbs was propping up the next team on our schedule. No matter how bad the team was, he'd praise them and talk about how his guys would have to "fight their guts out" on every play just to keep it close.

I don't laugh anymore when Zorn does that.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

With as much talent as the Skins have on defense, there is no reason why the Lions should've run all over them.

Here are the changes that I would like to see:

1. Orakpo was and will always be a DE. Let's let him do what he does best in the 3 point stance instead of forcing him into a role that he is not used to playing. I'm sure he can pull the transition to SLB off, but why put yourself through all that stress & growing pains. In the meantime, slot Chris Wilson or HB Blades at SLB.
2. Laron Landry is not a FS. The loss of Sean Taylor, one of the best safeties of all time in my opinion, forced him into that role. The roster appears to contain 3 strong safeties and 1 free safety. Put Kareem Moore in at FS and slot Landry at SS. The safeties seem interchangeable anyway, but I would hope that such a move wouldn't affect the Predator's confidence.
3. Since our defensive line appears to be injury prone as evidenced by the game today, all defensive tackled and ends need to be active. Again, this is where I question the re-signing of a 5th RB to the roster. The whole inactive list on gameday is stupid in my opinion as well, but that's another story.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

All of the sorriest teams automatically look and play good when they play the Redskins . Look for the same to happen when the winless and hapless Bucs(86 yards of offense)come to FedEx field Sunday.

I hope this team can rise, and rally, and play with some pride and intensity and not come out flat as a pancake like today.

Wow. The Washington Redskins are the laughingstock of the NFL. Along with Oakland, the Redskins are the most inept team in football. Hard to beleive this once respected and storied franchise is now a bonafide cellar dweller. What a shame. Dan Snyder I hope you sleep well tonight.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 27, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Please don't mention Zorn and JC in the same sentence. Their careers are headed in opposite directions fast!

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

We root for the worst team in the NFL. Yes there are 13 more games, but can you tell me what you've seen to make you believe that we'll win them?

Posted by: rawk | September 27, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Talk about dumb, Why in the heck do you call a gimmick play on the last play of the game. We scored our points when JC was calling his own plays and then zorn sends in this gimmick play on the last try. No hail mary on anything talk about not giving your team a chance. you have a better shot a getting a tip ball in the endzone then running some dumb gimmick play.

Zorn is an idiot.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 27, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again: before this season began I would've bet the house and the cars and everything else I own that this Skins defense would have eaten up a rookie quarterback.

Simply hammered him, smashed him, confused him. Ran him out of the stadium.

Either he's very good or I really overrated this defense.

Perhaps both.

I tend to think it's the "d".

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should save himself by:

1. Hire an OC
2. Devote himself to QB coaching and HC duties
3. Fire Blache if the Bucs run over the D again next week

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who says that JC can't put up any big numbers or is a waste of space at the QB position, go to nfl.com look at stat leaders and you'll see that he is #4 in yards this year only behind Brady, Flacco, and Schaub. JC isn't the problem. Poor play calling. You take the three points on the first drive and decline that penalty that lead to the first td for the lions, that last drive could have been a FG attempt away from a "W". Predictable play calling from Zorn. I'm no defensive mastermind, but I could even tell that he was going to run it left on 4th and gl. Don't know if replacing him now makes too much since at this moment. Let's see now that he knows his time is really limited, let's see if he actually grows a pair of ballz and starts taking shots downfield. On the last play of the game for christ sakes, doesn't even throw towards the endzone.... Step it up or join most of america in the unemployment line

Posted by: PanteraCFH | September 27, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Greg "Blah's" defense is just as sorry as Zorn's offense. I've never seen a team give up so many 3rd and long conversions. They can't get off the field to save their life.

The worst part is if they fire Zorn, who will take over. Sherman Smith, Greeg Blatche, etc. Those aren't upgrades at all. Three games into the season and we are doomed!

Posted by: dcwun | September 27, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This is my last post for tonight, but why re-sign A.Aldridge if your not going to use him, take advantage of his speed on the fast track at Ford Field. Was he even active?
Where was Marko Mitchell?

Why do we have to keep using the same cast of characters: Rock returning kicks, ARE returning punts, aging Portis and ineffective Betts running the ball?

Will somebody act like they have some dam sense and end the Orakpo LB farce. Let the guy do and be what he is, which is a DE? I mean come on.

Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid playcalling, stupid personnel decisions and usage, and stupid inactive/active gameday rosters. STUPID!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 27, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

If I'm the GM, here's who I DEFINITELY keep to build with:

KEEP

Dockery
Heyer
Samuels (until I can replace him)
Kelly
Cooley
Mitchell
McIntosh
Orakpo
Golston
Fletcher (till I can replace him)
Horton
Landry
Doughty
Haynesworth
Jarmon
Blades (teams)
Davis
Hunter Smith

DEFINITELY DUMP

Portis
Thomas
Rabach
ARE
Daniels
Yoder
Wynn
Griffin
Carter
Smoot (sorry Smooty...but we gotta move on)
Rogers (not enough of a playmaker)
Tryon
Cartwright
Betts

KEEP BECAUSE I STILL DONT KNOW If THEY CAN PLAY (BUBBLE GUYS)

Barnes
Moore
Rinehart
Will Montgomery
Aldridge
Mason
Suisham

First 7 moves:

1. Find a HC
2. Amass as many picks as I can
3. Draft/sign a "franchise" QB
4. Put together a plan to rebuild O-line
5. Clear a ton of cap space.
6. Find out who can really play on this team
7. Draft a "home run" RB.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 27, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is more of a problem than Zorn anyday! No coach can succeed with they way this thing is set up...not even Gibbs

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | September 27, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Post of the day. Spot on.

I still remember the stunned ecstasy I felt when I heard Gibbs was coming back. It was like frigging Moses 2.0.

Or so it seemed at the time.

I don't hate Dan Snyder, and wish him well, and accept that he's the owner.

But he's ultimately responsible for a woefully run franchise.

Vinny has his job BECAUSE he's close to Dan. That's the wrong idea. Dan needs to man up and hire a general manager who orders him to stay away. (Is there a younger version of Parcells out there?)

Those 16-hour head-coaching interviews, although Dan and Vinny are so proud of them, are a sign that this owner has an incorrect view of his football acumen.

Snyder has money. That is all. He does not have football know-how. If he keeps hiring suck-ups as his #2, who tell him that he's great and solicit his input, then we'll continue to suffer as a franchise.

Being angry at JZ? Misses the point. It's like being angry at any particular Verizon customer service rep.

Posted by: farstriker | September 27, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Talk about dumb, Why in the heck do you call a gimmick play on the last play of the game. We scored our points when JC was calling his own plays and then zorn sends in this gimmick play on the last try. No hail mary on anything talk about not giving your team a chance. you have a better shot a getting a tip ball in the endzone then running some dumb gimmick play.

Zorn is an idiot.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 27, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

JC was calling his own plays while they were in PREVENT DEFENSE!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 27, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Either he's very good or I really overrated this defense.

Perhaps both.

I tend to think it's the "d".

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 9:11 PM

He had a 40.5 QB rating before today, complete with 1 TD and 5 INTs.

Today, he had an 87.8 QB rating complete with 1 TD and 0 INTs.

I tend to think it's the "d" too.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, there is one interim coach who could turn this around now....Marty, yes I said it, Marty! He is actually on great terms with Danny boy & he brings the fire and accountability this team needs. Plus the guy just flat out is desperate to be in football again!

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | September 27, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but don't care about Jansen right now. We got a lot more things to worry about...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I now see the beginnings of what I have called since week 1. Zorn is going to fail to make the playoffs, which will lead to the his firing. JC will be let go just because that is how Snyder rolls. They will get the best "Big Name Coach" that will actually come to the skins, use as many draft picks that it takes to get the next "savior" at QB, knowing that they'll pick tebow cause Snyder has a hard on for the "best" player available, and since it is an uncapped season next years, or at least appears to be, they will rebuild the line in FA. They are going to spend so much stupid money next year to try and build the superbowl team

Posted by: PanteraCFH | September 27, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The Skins D is giving up 16.3 points per game. It makes me laugh to hear peeps on here blaming the D for the way this team has looked.

Have they been great? No. But any competent NFL team should be able to average mmore than 17 points per game.

Skins O is averaging 13.3 points per game.

But yeah, let's blame the D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say, this post was one of the weaker one's in RI history. Who cares about Jansen today? Can we get any reaction from the locker room? Come on man!

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 27, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Exactly Curzon417! The defense has been pretty bad but the bottom line is they give the offense a chance to win every single time! Any normally functioning team should be able to score 21 points.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Curz - I think you have to admit that the D was a large reason we lost today. Who thought they couldn't hold them on 3rd and 13 - and to have Stafford run for what, 16 yards?

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The Skins D is giving up 16.3 points per game. It makes me laugh to hear peeps on here blaming the D for the way this team has looked.

Have they been great? No. But any competent NFL team should be able to average mmore than 17 points per game.

Skins O is averaging 13.3 points per game.

But yeah, let's blame the D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Not blaming the D, but the entire team. They came out flat and paid for it with a "L." I believe that the D needs to make changes, but hopefully, the coaches will review film, see what went wrong and make corrections.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

This team is pathetic. From the owner to the coaches to the players they are awful. This team is an embarassment to this city. Thanks Danny for turning this once proud franchise into the laughing stock of the NFL. I'm going to the Tampa game and I'm going to boo the hell out of this team. We should start a chant for Danny SELL THE TEAM FIRE YOURSELF FIRST you idiot. Any fan that doesn't see how screwed up this organization is has to be blind. This has got to stop enough already! We are sick of the losing! Sick of paying top dollar to watch an awful pitiful team play football. Wake up Danny you suck!

Posted by: bigjofc | September 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

On a brighter note:

It seemed that Chad Rhinehart played well at right guard.

It was good to see S Moss catch a few balls.

M Kelly/D Thomas looked good.

However, Campbell's erratic and uneven play continues to disappoint.

Put him on a 8 game leash.

After that, he'd a dead dog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The defense always holds teams to less than 20 pts.. even though they didn't play well today, points are the bottom line.. no reason the offense couldn't put 20 or more on the board.. JC should have put this team on his back and scored 20 points or more.. he's played plenty of games in this league now and if he was a good qb he should of had no problem scoring enough point to beat this team.. i've been a JC backer but beginning to realize he's just not that good a qb..

Posted by: vpar57 | September 27, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Skins points per game- 13.3

Tampa points per game-13.7

Crap!! We're gonna lose!!

BTW, how did the Ravens offense get soooo good suddenly? They lead the league in almost every offensive category!! 34.4 points per game. That is so amazing.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417, the Lions racked up 381 yards and held the ball for 37 minutes. Their running back gained 100+ yards in the first half. Their rookie QB doubled his season average QB rating. They converted 55% of third downs and committed ZERO TURNOVERS agaist our defense.

Yes, the offense didn't score. But the d was horrible. Against a rookie QB who threw 5 INTS in the previous game!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, the D could have and should have done better today, however, they are not getting any help from the offense. Like cL said, plenty of blame to go round in today's loss.

But the O needs to hold up their end. I keep hearing how the D can't get off the field. Well, TOP would look differently if the O was more competent and stay on the field.

Look at the TOP for the Colts last week. Yet they still won the game. It may have been against the fins, but we played the LIONS!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice if zorn had kicked a fg to start the game they wouldve only needed a fg to win at the end? Pretty close to suishams range when zorn came up with the WORST end of game play ever. A 7 yard hook and ladder from the 40.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | September 27, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Did any teams win today without their defense getting a single turnover? I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I found myself being extremely calm after this loss with a smile on my face..... I wont let this franchise and owner ruin my day!! Eff him and Cerrato, Ted leonsis called Dan to invite you to a owners seminar, you should of attended. Lets go CAPS. You make me sick Napoleon!!

Posted by: EsMyDee | September 27, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

If it's gonna be 'worse,' let's hope it's top 5 pick, round one draft worse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 9:04 PM |

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get....Crabtree.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Alan, not saying the D did not make their errors and yes, they should have played better. But the scored 19 points.

The problem with the Skins of late (2-3 years) is that the O cannot score any points. The Skins O should be able to stay on the field longer and score three touchdowns per game. if they do that, they win. Not only today, but over 90% of their games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

JC is not the problem, Clinton Portis being MIA during the first 3 weeks is the problem. Look at the games the Redskins have won over the past 10 years, they all have a common theme. The team wins when they run the ball and lose when they don't...that simple.

Posted by: JCNKY | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

This is my last post for tonight, but why re-sign A.Aldridge if your not going to use him, take advantage of his speed on the fast track at Ford Field. Was he even active?

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 27, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I believe he was active.

I'm with you. AA is a complete unknown to the Lions. He was signed mid-week and therefore the opposing coaches had very little time to study his film.

Okay, so not a huge advantage. But maybe if he gets 4-5 carries, our coaches can at least evaluate him in a game situation...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, how did the Ravens offense get soooo good suddenly? They lead the league in almost every offensive category!! 34.4 points per game. That is so amazing.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 9:32 PM

The Ravens defense intecepted the ball 4 times today and twice last week. Thanks for helping me make my point about how our own scoring problems are related to our lack of INTs and takeaways.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

JUST SELL THE TEAM DAN!! SO WE CAN FORGET ABOUT THIS WHOLE PERIOD THAT YOU CALL YOUR OWNERSHIP

Posted by: EsMyDee | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, how did the Ravens offense get soooo good suddenly? They lead the league in almost every offensive category!! 34.4 points per game. That is so amazing.

Look at who they drafted Rachel? Unlike the Washington Requiems they drafted an offensive tackle named Oher. He started the season at right tackle and has played so well he will likely be their starting left tackle. The Ravens draft OL in almost every draft. Do the RedPickels? No.

Posted by: periculum | September 27, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice if zorn had kicked a fg to start the game they wouldve only needed a fg to win at the end? Pretty close to suishams range when zorn came up with the WORST end of game play ever. A 7 yard hook and ladder from the 40.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | September 27, 2009 9:35 PM |

The penalty that Zorn accepted that would have forced a field goal attempt was more telling then the missed points on the first drive. That was a difference of four points and would have allowed the Skins to win the game at the end with a field goal.

Another Zorn blunder.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

bigjofc

"This team is pathetic...."

No.

The quarterback play is pathetic.

Campbell can make all the throws--sometimes.

And he still seems to be snake-bit by weird, rookie quarterback issues.

He's a nice guy.

But his play is just a toy short of a happy meal.

And that's why we are all so unhappy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get....Crabtree.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009

And Snyder will draft a quarterback and 3-5 more receivers and fail to draft any offensive linemen. Even when drafts are deep in OL he fails to draft them? Parcells must think he is total zot.

Posted by: periculum | September 27, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers and Titans are 1-2 and 0-3 respectively so before we all go suicidal lets take a deep breath,the question we should all be asking is how a defense which is the strength of this team allows an offense that was only converting 30% of it's third down attemps to go over sixty percent in the first half! Greg Blache needs to take a look at himself,all one has to do is go back to a Wash.Times article concerning Levar Arrington to see how petty and arrogant Blache is, Blache talked about Arrington as if he was the worst person to play in the NFL they had a MLB, Antonio Pierce a smart and a physically superior player who they chose not to pay and let him go to a division rival( the Giants) same with Ryan Clark who would be starting now for this team but they would not pay him and now he is wearing a Super Bowl ring for the Steelers,Blache was here when these players played for the Skins and if thought they could play he didn't influence Danny and Vinny to do anything to help keep the aforementioned players here, the season is not over but if the defense doesn't play better it will be.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 27, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I think "gappy" Mike Strahan said it best during the halftime break. Said it looked like the skins had just given up. Just didn't care. Everyone is to blame on the day. You can't put it all on the D, although being 10-16 on 3rd downs is just terrible. But I put most of it on Zorn. JC had a good day... 340 yards, 2td, but yes 1 int. Everyone could always do better, but JC and Moss played pretty well. Just predictable play calling stupid choices of going for it on 4th down with a run to the left, and not declining a penalty that would have left 4 more points off the board for the lions. Zorn is gone by the end of the year if not sooner. Only thing that could save JZ job would be a superbowl win

Posted by: PanteraCFH | September 27, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

JC is not the problem, Clinton Portis being MIA during the first 3 weeks is the problem. Look at the games the Redskins have won over the past 10 years, they all have a common theme. The team wins when they run the ball and lose when they don't...that simple.

Posted by: JCNKY | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse
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Sorry, that's my fault. I drafted him on my FF team and jinxed him (did the same thing for Cooley last year - who went to the Pro Bowl, but hardly ever scored). I usually have no Skins on my FF team for that reason. I almost benched CP today just to make sure he had a good real game. But I apologize - he will be completely unproductive all season.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"[Sonny J] is not walking through that door, fans. [John Riggins] is not walking through that door, and [Joe Jacoby] is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old. What we are is young, exciting, hard-working, and we're going to improve. People don't realize that, and as soon as they realize those three guys are not coming through that door, the better this town will be for all of us because there are young guys in that (locker) room playing their asses off. I wish we had $90 million under the salary cap. I wish we could buy the world. We can't; the only thing we can do is work hard, and all the negativity that's in this town sucks. I've been around when [Brad Johnson] was booed. I've been around when [Fed Ex] was booed. And it stinks. It makes the greatest town, greatest city in the world, lousy. The only thing that will turn this around is being upbeat and positive like we are in that locker room... and if you think I'm going to succumb to negativity, you're wrong. You've got the wrong guy leading this team." -Jim Zorn harnessing his inner 'Rick Pitino'

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The penalty that Zorn accepted that would have forced a field goal attempt was more telling then the missed points on the first drive. That was a difference of four points and would have allowed the Skins to win the game at the end with a field goal.

Another Zorn blunder.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Gotta agree with this. I was screaming at the television.

Even the ref assumed they would decline. If you watched, he signed decline over to the 'skins bench initially.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

JC is not the problem, Clinton Portis being MIA during the first 3 weeks is the problem. Look at the games the Redskins have won over the past 10 years, they all have a common theme. The team wins when they run the ball and lose when they don't...that simple.

Posted by: JCNKY | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse
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Sorry, that's my fault. I drafted him on my FF team and jinxed him (did the same thing for Cooley last year - who went to the Pro Bowl, but hardly ever scored). I usually have no Skins on my FF team for that reason. I almost benched CP today just to make sure he had a good real game. But I apologize - he will be completely unproductive all season.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Me too, thats why I definitely know he has been MIA...

Posted by: JCNKY | September 27, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, I agree with you about the lack of scoring. That has been very frustrating for years. But the most significant recent upgrades came on DEFENSE (Haynesworth, Hall, Orakpo, Jarmon...) NOT on offense.

Today, the offense played near my expectations (moved the ball pretty well, but didn't score enough) while the defense played FAR below my expectations.

I just have to re-adjust my expectations. Despite the upgrades, this defense is worse than it was last year.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

A QB in a new system, with a new head coach and a new OC played well today. NO, NO, NO. It wasn't mr. Excuses, it was a real rookie QB showing a five one-year experience, mr. Excuses QB, how to play. JC must be dumped. This guys will never be good.

Posted by: hock1 | September 27, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"...how did the Ravens' offense get soooo good suddenly?"


They drafted a quarterback named Flacco who showed up a polished performer on day one.

They have a quarterback coach who draws up plays in the design of what he does well.

They let Flacco get his 'throw' on during the preseason so he would start the regular season in rhythm.

And it helps the have a defense that gets turnovers and short fields.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

JC is not the problem, Clinton Portis being MIA during the first 3 weeks is the problem.
Posted by: JCNKY | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM |
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Portis can't hand the ball off to himself.

He was given a grand total of 12 carries today.

And we know why. Zorn came out hot to prove the critics wrong and sling the ball, and when that stalled in the red zone, he went to a run on 4th and goal in the first quarter (that call still makes me cringe it's so boneheaded) instead of kicking a FG.

You ALWAYS take the FG there early in the first quarter of a scoreless game.

That 4th down call was pure desperation by a man (Zorn) who may claim he doesn't read the newspapers or watch the TV, but in reality is reading and watching it all.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

F John Jansen

F The Lions

F Zorn's playcalling

F JC's inability to work through progressions.

and Especially

F Snyderatto.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

JASON, PLEASE GIVE US SOME INFO REGARDING ZORN LEAVING WASHINGTON!!!!

Posted by: cochran1084 | September 27, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, we have the same record as Pittsbugh, 1-2. Misery loves company.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

My biggest disappointment so far has been the defense. I actually liked Zorn's call to go for it on the 1 yard line, but where was the lead block? No problem, I thought, no way will the Lions drive 99 yards for a score on our defense -- either they'll get a safety, a turnover, or go 3 and out. Unfortunately, whether it's been penalties, missed tackles, or soft coverage, we haven't stopped anybody on 3rd and long consistently -- I feel that our secondary has been the weak link. Why not move Ethan Horton to corner and move Reed Doughty into Horton's slot in 3rd and long packages? I think D Hall would be a great nickel back and produce turnovers from that position, but I'm not sure he can be a shut-down corner who can go 1-on-1 all day against big, tall, and fast receivers. I'm not sure whether D Hall's problem is technique or talent -- Darrell Green used to get it done, and he was way smaller than D Hall. When is our defense going to start coming after the quarterback when the other team is pinned back against the goal line? What ever happened to the blitz? Our defense hasn't shown a killer instinct ... there have been few memorable hits. It's not like other teams have racked up a lot of points on us, but we just don't seem to be able to dial up the defense when we need to. Our defense has been, well, too defensive -- too much bend, too much break.

The running game has also been a bummer. Long ago, I remember seeing #44 pound it time and time again. Even though everybody knew exactly what was coming, nobody could stop us. When's the last time we've gotten a rushing touchdown?

When are we going to use Marko Mitchell on the corner fade?

Posted by: dannykurland1 | September 27, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Alan, I hear what you're saying. But if you look at the "good" QBs they hold defenses by looking off their intended receiver and pump faking, then going for their real throw. How many times did you see JC look off receivers or pump fake. JC hardly ever pump fakes or looks off receivers to hold the LB or S to help his receivers get open.

Plus, how can anyone argue that Zorn is a lousy game planner, play caller or in-game adjuster. This loss is more on the O than the D. IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

t_e - we have a BETTER record than the Titans and Miami!

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

A QB in a new system, with a new head coach and a new OC played well today. NO, NO, NO. It wasn't mr. Excuses, it was a real rookie QB showing a five one-year experience, mr. Excuses QB, how to play. JC must be dumped. This guys will never be good.

Posted by: hock1 | September 27, 2009 9:51 PM


And that's AFTER Snyder spent over $100M upgrading the defense in the offseason!

FWIW, JC17 was NFC Player of the Week in his first game against the Lions. One game proves nothing, let's see if the Lions can do it again next week (I doubt it). Our defense is underachieving big time.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah vicc, go ahead and defend this team after a loss to the 19-in-a-row-game-losing Lions.

Blame it on the negativity of the fans.

It's the fans fault.

Are you f-ing Robert Henson?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

t_e - we have a BETTER record than the Titans and Miami!

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 9:56 PM

Well, the bad news is they'll pick ahead of us in the draft.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

So what did we get? One sack from Haynesworth and one from Rakpo? The linebacker experiment bites...

30 year old running backs... Betts to senile to get out of bounds?

Bend but don't break defense... looked like bend over today.

Moss to ARE to Betts... WTF

Posted by: pv1999 | September 27, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Record when Portis has:

25+ carries (17-5)

30+ carries (6-1)

Portis is a tough runner who gets better the more carries he gets.

His first game against Tampa, aside from his 64yd Td. He averaged 3.2 yards a carry.

That's what he does Redskin Fans. 2 yard run here, 3 yard run there, then a 20+ yarder that boosts his ypc average. See last year.

Mark my words: Watch what happens when we give Portis 25+ carries in a game this year.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

YTD Redskin Opponents are 22/43 (51%) on third downs! Redskins are a dismal 14/37 (38%)!! Also where is this improved (very expensive) D that was suppose to keep us in games? I'm with everyone about firing Zorn but, what can the offense do if the the D keeps getting burned on 3rd downs. Living in CA I don't get to watch many Skin games but I follow it on game tracker and correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of these were 3rd and long. That just can't continue to happen, I say FIRE BLACHE!!! And with the top 5 pick that we are likely to get, how about USC safety Taylor Mays? Being a Trojan fan I've been following Mays and the kid is a beast!! Get rid of LL for picks and draft Mays!! Landry tries to go for the sportcenter hit every time to no avail, simply put LL BLOWS!!! Mays already looks good in burgundy and gold... Mays in 2010!!

Posted by: whittier_redskins | September 27, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Ya I am strangely calm about it. I think we need to see portis sit till he is 100%, because he isn't and its not helping.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 27, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words: Watch what happens when we give Portis 25+ carries in a game this year.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 9:59 PM |
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That should have been the gameplan today, but let's hope it is against the Bucs.

Portis got only 12 carries today.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Hock - you're an idiot. While JC isn't great, he has a lump of cheese for a coach, stinky, moldy, lumpy, unmoving, and not even good for eating. JZ is an fonguel idiot. I can guarantee you with Mike Singletary, our team would have crushed the Rams and Vikings. Why? It's simple. His philosophy is being tough, something our team doesn't know the meaning of. Forcing themselves down your throats is what Singletary's team does, both on O and D. Our team watches as you score and light up our OL. Instead of getting in players' faces, Zorn turns up the music. I wonder what the music sounds like in Ashburn about now.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 27, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Stop stop stop all this talk about teams that have equal or worse records...

Are those other teams missing easy tackles? Running the same wrong plays week after week? Making bizarre mental errors?

We have to fix these problems, not try to feel better about ourselves by looking at other people's mistakes...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Are you f-ing Robert Henson?

Posted by: RedDMV


Yeah, come see me! In case you slept through Physics class, I'm 6'0" 240!
So watch yo mouth.

You like kicking people while they are down?


Anyway,

JC17 can't win with that long windup.

Would it hurt to pumpfake every once in awhile?

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

2010 offseason preview!!

Defense
Fire Blatche!
Cut Carter
Move Orakpo to DE
Start Jarmon
Start Wilson as Sam
Trade Landry (hopefully get a 3rd and 6th)
Start Moore
Unfortunately we are stuck with Hall.

Offense
Hire an OC
Cut Ladell
Cut Alridge
Cut Randy (sorry bud)
Cut Randle El
Cut Williams
Draft a tackle first round.
Draft a speed back or center in second round.
Draft a backer or guard in third.
Leave the rest of the rounds to Morocco, Vinny!

Note: I would pull the trigger on Zorn but I think this group can excel in spite of him if they just had a couple "cavemen" on the line imposing their will in key situations. Oh and hire B-Mitch just to get these bmitches in line!

Posted by: 3hrswasted | September 27, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: whittier_redskins

The score going into the 4th qtr was 13-7. That is keeping the O in the game. Yes the D needs to do better but you also need to look at the other side (which your stats point to) the O needs to stay on the field and put points on the board. What is the D to do when the O can't stay on the field or score points?

The D needs to find a way to get off the field on 3rd downs, but the O needs much more work. IMO the O was more responsible for the loss than the D was.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Great we have a better record than some teams. All those AFC teams help us how? Oh right, they don't. We stink. Pointing out who we are better than doesn't really help. Here's what matters. We are two games behind one NFC East opponent and 1 games behind another with one still to play. Decent in week 7 not so great when week 3 isn't quite over yet.

Oh right we've played the two most awful teams in the league and are 1-1 (Who thinks the Gmen or Uggles will lose to detroit?)

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Please don't mention Zorn and JC in the same sentence. Their careers are headed in opposite directions fast!

Posted by: dcwun
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How are down and down opposite directions?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Why expect more from the DEFENSE?

1. Hayneworth
2. Orakpo
3. Jarmon
4. Hall

A lot was invested in the defense over the offseason. Very little was invested in the offense (Dockery).

One reason Stafford looked pretty good today is because his running back picked up 100 yards in the first half. Zero turnovers? Our defense is not worth what Snyder paid for it.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

If it's gonna be 'worse,' let's hope it's top 5 pick, round one draft worse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 9:04 PM |

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get....Crabtree.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse


Crabtree is about as useful to the Niners as Kelly/Thomas/Davis are to the Redskins.

At least they only wasted one pick.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Ohh yeah... and FIRE CERRATO!!!!

Posted by: whittier_redskins | September 27, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Record when Portis has:

25+ carries (17-5)

30+ carries (6-1)

Portis is a tough runner who gets better the more carries he gets.

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That's because they give him the ball when they are in the lead and trying to keep the ball. It's easier to win when you are already winning. I guarantee you that if they were losing by 2 scores and they gave the ball to him 25 times they would not win.

Posted by: jwlemons | September 27, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Instead of getting in players' faces, Zorn turns up the music. I wonder what the music sounds like in Ashburn about now.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 27, 2009 10:03 PM |
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That reminds me of something. I was in the supermarket today before the game and I could hardly believe that the Muzak was playing Led Zeppelin's "Ramble On."

I never thought of that as Muzak music; it made me feel old.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

figures the likes of t_e and suzannepdc will somehow try and put a sugarcoated spin on today.

sure, the Steelers are 1-2, and the Titans and Dolphins are win-less. but you all know DAMN well that the 'skins couldn't beat those teams.

I mean were you both in f-ing hyper-sleep from 1 PM - 4 PM? HELLO!!! They lost to the g-damn LIONS!!!

Take your heads outta your asses, remove the burgundy and gold tinted shades, and GET REAL. STOP blindingly defending this team because it's the team you root for! There is no shame in calling it like it is, but for some reason you all and others refuse to do so.

These idiot, shades drawn fans are the WORST I've ever seen, you rival the bandwagon idiot Cowboy fans.

GET F'N REAL WITH YOURSELVES!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

And that's AFTER Snyder spent over $100M upgrading the defense in the offseason!

FWIW, JC17 was NFC Player of the Week in his first game against the Lions. One game proves nothing, let's see if the Lions can do it again next week (I doubt it). Our defense is underachieving big time.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you that our defense has been underachieving. Orakpo & Landry (due to Sean Taylor's passing) are both playing out of position. Put Orakpo on the line and let him do what he does best, which is rush the passer. Slot Wilson or HB Blades @ SLB. I have a difficult time with what to do with Landry, especially since Horton always seems to be around the ball, but Landry was drafted to be a SS and to create havoc at the LOS, not play 20 yards off the ball. Put Kareem Moore at FS and put Landry in at his natural position and rotate the safeties throughout the game as they all bring something different to the table (big ups to Doughty as he brought it against Detroit... one of the few).

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

"...Oh well, it could be worse..."

If it's gonna be 'worse,' let's hope it's top 5 pick, round one draft worse.


Posted by: MistaMoe


great so we can win the "off season" once again! Ughh!!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't post much, but for those of you that keep on saying Orakpo needs to play more d-lie and less linebacker look at Dumervil this season. A career season as a 3-4 linebacker pass rusher. 4-3 doesn't make a difference. Orakpao can make a pass rush from lb spot.

Posted by: GWSkinFan | September 27, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure, but I think t-e had tongue firmly in cheek when he observed that the Steelers were 1-2 just like us.

I think most people believe that even at 1-2, Pittsburgh will likely end the season at the top of their division.

The Redskins?

To paraphrase The Squire, "Not bloody likely."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

That's because they give him the ball when they are in the lead and trying to keep the ball. It's easier to win when you are already winning. I guarantee you that if they were losing by 2 scores and they gave the ball to him 25 times they would not win.

Posted by: jwlemons | September 27, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse


Not true. See our game in Philly last year down 14-0. The NYJ game the year before, down 17-3. I can keep going but you get the point.

We don't really get blown out and as long as the game is close, keep giving it to him.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

figures the likes of t_e and suzannepdc will somehow try and put a sugarcoated spin on today.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:10 PM

Hey, Red, neither one of us played in the game today. We're not coaches and we're not owners or management. Your beef is with them, not us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

figures the likes of t_e and suzannepdc will somehow try and put a sugarcoated spin on today.

sure, the Steelers are 1-2, and the Titans and Dolphins are win-less. but you all know DAMN well that the 'skins couldn't beat those teams.

I mean were you both in f-ing hyper-sleep from 1 PM - 4 PM? HELLO!!! They lost to the g-damn LIONS!!!

Take your heads outta your asses, remove the burgundy and gold tinted shades, and GET REAL. STOP blindingly defending this team because it's the team you root for! There is no shame in calling it like it is, but for some reason you all and others refuse to do so.

These idiot, shades drawn fans are the WORST I've ever seen, you rival the bandwagon idiot Cowboy fans.

GET F'N REAL WITH YOURSELVES!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse


Amen, Red.

Anyone sticking up for the Skins at this point is just delusional.

I don't why people think it would help the team for the fans to shrug shoulders and say "Oh, well. There's always next week. It's only one game."

Maybe moms can pull that crap out, but real fans should demand winning and excellence.

Some of these suckers like to pick through crap and find the edible tidbits - snack on it if you like, don't serve that to me.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with "Cut Randle El"... Since losing his #2 spot, dude has really stepped up his game.

That catch today that was initially ruled incomplete (but overturned on replay) was a monster play on ARE's part...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417


Agree... But these are the Lions we're talking about. Is our D going to keep us in the game against Phi, NO, NYG, etc. if their 3rd down efficiency is at 50%?

Posted by: whittier_redskins | September 27, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Red,

careful or they'll send an extra potent dose of burgundy and gold Kool-aid to your house.

I have seen my team for what they are for quite some time now. Doesn't make me not a fan to call them out. They are slow and aging in critical areas, ie: rb, lb, TE, unless sleepy gets going. JC is not the answer.
It remains to be seen about Zorn. Didn't giants fans want Coughlins head? Now look at them. I wonder what they'd be like to have a knee jerk reaction like many skins fans here want and he was fired?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

BTW,

A Jansen post is straight JLA.

Don't suck like that Reid.

Be better, my friend.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

However, Campbell's erratic and uneven play continues to disappoint.

Put him on a 8 game leash.

After that, he'd a dead dog.

Posted by: MistaMoe


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I wouldn't give JC an 8 game leash. This is either JZ's fault, JC's fault or both. If we are going to stick with Zorn, knowing that he doesn't admit mistakes and won't improve his play calling, then the season is over and JC will be gone. So why not start another QB now?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, Portis is going to get killed running 25 times behind our O-line.

If there's one think I can intuit from Zorn, it's that he doesn't trust this O-line. Portis and Betts combine for 0 yards on 7 carries (+2 for Betts, -2 for Portis) in the first half. Both of them get mauled on short yardage plays and contribute to our 3 and outs.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually the Titans are a shocker. I believe they had the best record in the league last year, and so starting 0-3 is surprising.

However, as someone earlier said, it isn't just that the Redskins are losing, it's the way they're losing.

It's just downright ugly.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey vicc, you jackass, I'm at the age where fighting is for children.

Feel where this is going?

How about you don't make threats. Only time I've taking it there with someone on this board is when they were the first to talk that stupid ass s*** you're popping off with.

Chill with the online threats, especially when I know that you're p***y. Ol' b**ch made ass dude...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

ARE is problem # 123445435

That's like worrying about a hangnail on a Cancer patient.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Red,

careful or they'll send an extra potent dose of burgundy and gold Kool-aid to your house.

I have seen my team for what they are for quite some time now. Doesn't make me not a fan to call them out.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you.

All this "let's focus on the positives" is straight Pop Warner crap.

Feed that to your 10 year-old after a bad game.

These guys are losers. Until they learn to win consistently, they are losers by definition.

That's the truth, and it pisses me off BECAUSE I am a fan.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh for those who are "slow" Danny is the cancer, ARE is the hang nail.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

That's the truth, and it pisses me off BECAUSE I am a fan.


Posted by: p1funk

Best comment all afternoon/evening. I agree.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Agree... But these are the Lions we're talking about. Is our D going to keep us in the game against Phi, NO, NYG, etc. if their 3rd down efficiency is at 50%?

Posted by: whittier_redskins

Not saying that the D should not get a foot planted deep inside their arse. What I am saying is that the D is not the bigger problem here. I don't care how much we invested in the D, I still expect the O to play like a effin professional NFL O plays and that is to average more than 13.3 points per game.

And if I remember correctly, we played the jints and the D kept us in that game as well. The O stunk up the joint.

The bigger problem with the Skins is the incompetence of the O, not the underachieving of the D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse


I disagree with "Cut Randle El"... Since losing his #2 spot, dude has really stepped up his game.

That catch today that was initially ruled incomplete (but overturned on replay) was a monster play on ARE's part...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:17 PM

True..but i'd like to see Marko get some PT and maybe draft a WR to return punts. El is more of a age/cap casualty.


Posted by: 3hrswasted | September 27, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't why people think it would help the team for the fans to shrug shoulders and say "Oh, well. There's always next week. It's only one game."

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:16 PM

And what do you think will help the team? Posting how bad they are? How angry you are? How delusional other fans are?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

That's because they give him the ball when they are in the lead and trying to keep the ball. It's easier to win when you are already winning. I guarantee you that if they were losing by 2 scores and they gave the ball to him 25 times they would not win.

Posted by: jwlemons | September 27, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse


Not true. See our game in Philly last year down 14-0. The NYJ game the year before, down 17-3. I can keep going but you get the point.

We don't really get blown out and as long as the game is close, keep giving it to him.
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Please keep going. My point was that it is a very misleading stat. Of course your record is going to be better when your RB carries 25+ a game. That is because you have controlled the ball, the line of scrimmage, and the lead.

Posted by: jwlemons | September 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Another dumb azz remark about JC and it's on, HE is not the problem it's a weak 0-line and an overpaid running back who is the "owners boy" and a Def.Coord. who is arrogant and unwilling to change a head coach who is overmatched(that was proven today) someone asked about the Ravens offense wanna know why they are succesfull? Cam Cameron runs the O(has been in the league as an O Coord. for years) their O-line was developed through the draft(what a concept!)and Flacco has been in one system since he was a rookie(2nd year) and their D is stout.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 27, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh for those who are "slow" Danny is the cancer, ARE is the hang nail.

Posted by: Gweez

I agree but what are you gonna do about the owner. You gonna buy the team from him? If you got that kinda loot under your mattress please do. Its called palliative care.

Posted by: 3hrswasted | September 27, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

On line threats have got to be the lamest thing since new coke. Really Vicc? Wow...

Oh and it wasn't one reasons or the other, the def, the of, the QB, the coach, the owner...whateves

It was everything. They all sucked and suck. C'mon team, someone prove me wrong?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a beef with anyone t_e. Except this f-face, vicc, whose obviously had too many quaaludes, or too much to drink.

I'm just sick of people defending this team when it's obvious that they're not that good, or better yet, sick of the fans that call other fans when they have something negative, but true, to say about the team.

I know you all are smart enough to know what the hell is going on, but you're just stubborn and delusional as hell.

All I'm saying is: Quit it, and be real with it.

It's becoming high comedy to read these "defending" post.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

And what do you think will help the team? Posting how bad they are? How angry you are? How delusional other fans are?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse


If I wanted to try to "help" the team, I'd stand outside the supermarket and offer to carry their groceries to the car.

These clowns need to help themselves. Make some plays, finish some drives, make some tackles. That's why they get paid millions of dollars.

I post about how bad they are b/c that's the truth.

I post about delusional fans b/c that's the truth.

But go ahead and send them a Hallmark card, I'm sure that'll help their red zone execution.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Red - seriously, dude, calm down. Sarcasm, but it is also important to point out that it's been 3 games and anything can happen.

I'm a glass half full person in general, so I am hoping HOPING that we don't continue to "play" the way we have in the first 3 games and that something clicks with these guys - but we do have a better record than the Titans and Miami - that is a fact.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

The bigger problem with the Skins is the incompetence of the O, not the underachieving of the D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 10:25 PM

True overall, but not today. Anybody that gave us a chance to field a competitive team this year did so on the basis of a #4 defense that was lavishly upgraded in the offseason.

A top defense in the NFL doesn't get manhandled by an error-prone Lions offense, featuring a rookie QB.

Everybody has an offgame, and today the defense had an off game. It played equal to the offense, which is not the identity of this team.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

In football terms, JC is a dumb azz. He can't read defenses. He can't pump fake. He can't look off receivers. He can't use the pocket efficiently. Time to bench his dumb azz.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

stop saying the O-line is weak. They gave JC plenty of time today. He simply locked on to his fav, 'tana, or cooley and if covered panicked or threw into coverage. He also never looks off the defense, ever. He was lucky not to have thrown a couple more picks. I agree the team needs more, just saying with a good QB we'd at least compete with our division.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I would hate to lead you guys into battle! A bad start to the battle and you all drop your weapons like little babies and run home crying. "Fire the general you say - it must be his fault".

Hopefully Dan Snyder will have more composure and wisdom than most of the people on this blog.

Give Zorn and his guys a chance to right the ship. May I remind you that we have the very same record that the NY Giants had going into week 4 the season they won the super bowl.

Relax. It's still very early in the season.

Hail Redskins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

btw, my last post was just for dargregmag.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"And there was one final decision by Zorn that didn't make a lick of sense: With the ball on the Lions' 36-yard line with eight seconds left, he called for Campbell to throw short on the hitch and pitch -- and pitch. It was a clueless play, which fit pretty well with the way the Skins played Sunday. "

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/3906/did-zorn-seal-his-fate-with-loss-to-lions

Wait, wait, wait... That final play was *designed* like that?!

I assumed it was a desperate pass by JC17 because no one else was open and then the laterals because the receivers were improvising... But Zorn *called* that play? Baaaa.... I'm speechless.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"That's the truth, and it pisses me off BECAUSE I am a fan." - p1funk

Indeed, that's why people rip this team, because they are fans, and it's pisses you off to watch something that you really like... f it... LOVE, and watch them fail time and time again.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Give Zorn and his guys a chance to right the ship. May I remind you that we have the very same record that the NY Giants had going into week 4 the season they won the super bowl.

Relax. It's still very early in the season.

Hail Redskins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse


It's up to Dany Snyder whether Zorn and his guys get that chance.

My one question to you is this:

What is one reason why Zorn and his boys should get the benefit of my doubt that the ship will be right?

Oh, and telling me what Coughlin and the GMen did the other year is about as relevant to the question as Merkel's victory in Germany.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I agree but what are you gonna do about the owner. You gonna buy the team from him? If you got that kinda loot under your mattress please do. Its called palliative care.

Posted by: 3hrswasted | September 27, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I feel ya but Danny isn't taking advice from these boards. Best I can tell this is an outlet for the obsessed and bored (guilty on both counts) to vent while (in my case at least) praying that Addai and Wayne don't score a combined 12.8 points.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

stop saying the O-line is weak. They gave JC plenty of time today. He simply locked on to his fav, 'tana, or cooley and if covered panicked or threw into coverage. He also never looks off the defense, ever. He was lucky not to have thrown a couple more picks. I agree the team needs more, just saying with a good QB we'd at least compete with our division.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM

Plenty of time is what Stafford had. I'm going to re-watch the game, but my initial feeling is that Heyer had a rough outing to say the least in pass pro.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Give Zorn and his guys a chance to right the ship. May I remind you that we have the very same record that the NY Giants had going into week 4 the season they won the super bowl.

Relax. It's still very early in the season.

Hail Redskins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

We also have the same record as the 2009 Rams (finished 2-14)

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Headline of the day... "Redskins Upholding Washington Tradition of Bailouts For Detroit"

The Sporting News

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse


stop saying the O-line is weak. They gave JC plenty of time today. He simply locked on to his fav, 'tana, or cooley and if covered panicked or threw into coverage. He also never looks off the defense, ever. He was lucky not to have thrown a couple more picks. I agree the team needs more, just saying with a good QB we'd at least compete with our division.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM

Plenty of time is what Stafford had. I'm going to re-watch the game, but my initial feeling is that Heyer had a rough outing to say the least in pass pro.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 10:41 PM


Yep. Stafford also got 100 yards of run support in the first half, while Portis & Betts provided a net total of 0 yards. I suspect the O-line had something to do with that, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I would hate to lead you guys into battle! A bad start to the battle and you all drop your weapons like little babies and run home crying. "Fire the general you say - it must be his fault".

Hopefully Dan Snyder will have more composure and wisdom than most of the people on this blog.

Give Zorn and his guys a chance to right the ship. May I remind you that we have the very same record that the NY Giants had going into week 4 the season they won the super bowl.

Relax. It's still very early in the season.

Hail Redskins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111


Awesome post. From beginning to end.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

stop saying the O-line is weak. They gave JC plenty of time today. He simply locked on to his fav, 'tana, or cooley and if covered panicked or threw into coverage. He also never looks off the defense, ever. He was lucky not to have thrown a couple more picks. I agree the team needs more, just saying with a good QB we'd at least compete with our division.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:33 PM

Let's ask Portis what he though of the O-line performance. I'm all for Rose coloured glasses but rose coloured blinders are a different thing entirely. Come on pepes, I'm not one for doom and gloom but let's deal in reality here.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

What is one reason why Zorn and his boys should get the benefit of my doubt that the ship will be right?

Oh, and telling me what Coughlin and the GMen did the other year is about as relevant to the question as Merkel's victory in Germany.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping that the D will play better than it has on 3rd downs over the next few weeks. The D was pretty good at that last year. As for the O, I have no answers.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

my initial feeling is that Heyer had a rough outing to say the least in pass pro.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 10:41 PM

That's what I was seeing too. I wonder if Mike Williams will get the start next week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV and chrislarry:

Go Skins!

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

COMMENCE THE EATING OF CROW

To all of you the sky is falling fans, you are completely wrong...the sky has fallen. To all those I gave cr@p to for negativity, well...you were all right. We suck in every way possible and to blame it on any 1 or 2 aspects is ludicrous. It all sucks. Blow it up. As a Skins fan I am enraged that we are this bad. It's embarrasing.

HIRE DICK BUTKUS!

(or anyone taht will tear these guys new @$$hole$ cuz the kid gloves cr@p ain't workin)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Really Red I thought you just ranted about that kind of fan?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Headline of the day... "Redskins Upholding Washington Tradition of Bailouts For Detroit"

The Sporting News

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Winner...

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

When y'all get your wish and Zorn gets fired. Let's see what the new coach does about JC. I think if he (JC) was as great as some here seem to think his market value would have been more this past off season.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll leave here tonight with a bit of Brownwood26 wisdom:

Throw me a little courtesy, and you'll get it back. Simple Math.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

All of these fans screaming the world is ending are killing me. This lions team was not the same team from the last two years. Yes we should have won the game. Yes Zorn blew it with not kicking the field goal and declining the penalty. But let's be clear about a few things. The lions did not go into prevent defense until the last drive. The skins td was scored against the normal lions defense. JC has been about the only brightspot on this team thus far. Again the playcalling was horrible especially (shocker) in the redzone. The defense was also horrible especially with the db's playing a mile off on 3 and shorts. Long season folks! Zorn has to let the offense lose or we will lose all year long. But please stop blaming the qb because he is not the problem. We have to run the ball more and damn zorn at least call a play where the wrs run to the endzone at the end of the game. Also i might add that the moss face mask and horton PI calls were huge.

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

agree but what are you gonna do about the owner. You gonna buy the team from him? If you got that kinda loot under your mattress please do. Its called palliative care.

Posted by: 3hrswasted | September 27, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I feel ya but Danny isn't taking advice from these boards. Best I can tell this is an outlet for the obsessed and bored (guilty on both counts) to vent while (in my case at least) praying that Addai and Wayne don't score a combined 12.8 points.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

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I think this is exactly why I cannot get all worked up and angry. NOTHING any of us says or does is going to effect any of the decisions that Danny, Vinny or Zorn makes. (Although I do think that we had something to do with the non-hiring of the old Gmen's coach whose name I cannot remember right now). So, coaches and QBs are going to be what Danny and Co. decide - so I cannot waste the energy on somthing that I cannot change and can only hope for the best and cheer FOR my team (and not boo against them). Sorry if people think this is sugar coating, but I try to only to expend my energy on things in which I have control.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

All of these fans screaming the world is ending are killing me. This lions team was not the same team from the last two years. Yes we should have won the game. Yes Zorn blew it with not kicking the field goal and declining the penalty. But let's be clear about a few things. The lions did not go into prevent defense until the last drive. The skins td was scored against the normal lions defense. JC has been about the only brightspot on this team thus far. Again the playcalling was horrible especially (shocker) in the redzone. The defense was also horrible especially with the db's playing a mile off on 3 and shorts. Long season folks! Zorn has to let the offense lose or we will lose all year long. But please stop blaming the qb because he is not the problem. We have to run the ball more and damn zorn at least call a play where the wrs run to the endzone at the end of the game. Also i might add that the moss face mask and horton PI calls were huge.

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

or what Vicc you will threaten my family? Post your body stats like this was craigs list?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the article link Johnny... I agree with it totally.. I have come down from my FIRE zorn now.. I think he gets atleast 3 more games.. cause firing him now just totally tanks the season.. and Snyder needs people to atleast SHOW UP to the rest of the games... (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/3906/did-zorn-seal-his-fate-with-loss-to-lions)

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Alan4,

Clinton finished the game with 12 carries. And he had a bad game. He averaged 3.5 y/c.

I hope we have this discussion again anytime Clinton gets 25+ carries in a game. History says he'll avg: 4+ y/c in that game.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Biggest Problems over multiple games this year and back to last year:
1. Team fails to execute at key moments on both sides of the ball, makes stupid mistakes on both sides of the ball, and can't get off the field on third down.
2. Zorn makes "curious" game management and play calling decisions, sometimes as part of the same decision cycle.
3. Defense fails to attack.

All are symptomatic of team culture and fall at the feet of the Head Coach. Clearly, a culture and HC change are in order. Firing Zorn only creates more problems though, as like it or not, he is the OC and QB coach and nobody either in Ashburn or on the planet can come in at this juncture and be effective this year without taking multiple weeks to implement a new program and effect positive change.

If they would both agree to it, I would like to see Cowher come in as HC and JZ be demoted to OC. Blache can either start attacking, or pack his bags. I imagine Jerry Gray would see the wisdom of attacking if Blache declined. I would put Kareem Moore at FS, LLandry at SS to be unleashed to stuff the run or get the QB, and play Horton at SAM backer. Orakpo goes to RDE every down.

Cowher encourages Zorn to call more QB sneaks, RB launches over the top, and gut runs on short yardage 1 yard or less, STOP the stretch runs left. More than 1 yard...mix in a very large dose of shot gun 4 wide and spread the field to run slants, fades, shovels to RB, or QB draws.

Along with Cowher, bring in a personnel man to replace Vinny. Draft Olinemen early and often who can move the Dline back starting with RT so we can expand the yardage in which we can move opposing Dline off the ball. Next year will very likely be uncapped... NOBODY should be safe.

Given the situation on the ground and an assumed lack of desire to completely surrender the season by running Zorn from the Offense, this is what I would do if I could get it done.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 27, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

We'll if we're making comparisons to the '07 Giants...

What was the equivalent play in the Giant's first three games to the head coach deciding that on the last play of the game, from the 36yard line, we should throw the ball twenty yards short of the endzone ? (Presumably because scoring to go ahead in the final seconds would be too conventional...)

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

...game. Also i might add that the moss face mask and horton PI calls were huge.

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

What frickin' team and games are you watchin'? This team just barely beat a terrible team and lost to a horrible team. If it's close enough for a f'in ref to decide IT'S TOO PHUKIN' CLOSE!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

Those who see the rants of the ineptitude of this team as isolated to this years 1-2 need to recognize that this is 10 years of shortsighted, inept, instant gratification.

Same people say, "Well you can't say Danny won't do anything to win" Let me tell you something, if Danny wants to do "Anything to win" go pay Parcells 10 mill a year and get the SJK out of the way. Then I'll buy it. Until then he'll do "Anything to win provided it entails him having final say on everything and making sure yes men hold every important position in the Skins Organization"

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Going to the players for comments now is just a joke. Find the player who is the first to say that he is not worth the money that he is being paid and you will find the first honest player. Of course the first words out of their mouths will be "We are better than this".

Better than that find one player other than Horton out of the amazing 08 draft class who is a football player. From the very top of the organization to the very bottom this is becoming a lifeless shell of a football team.

Thank you Daniel Snyder and Vinnie Cerrato for all the ways you have ground the Redskins into dust.

Posted by: driley | September 27, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say, this post was one of the weaker one's in RI history. Who cares about Jansen today? Can we get any reaction from the locker room? Come on man!

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 27, 2009 9:27 PM
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Hey JR.. wouldnt the Skins let you in their Locker Room??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

my initial feeling is that Heyer had a rough outing to say the least in pass pro.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 10:41 PM

That's what I was seeing too. I wonder if Mike Williams will get the start next week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

That be an interesting idea (hell, I'd try anything at this point)... Except that this coaching staff doesn't seem to change the starting line-up except because of injury... I guess they stick with those Week 1 decisions come hell or high water...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

That's what I was seeing too. I wonder if Mike Williams will get the start next week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I think that''l be the case. I'm thinking JZ will at least want to ride CP for awhile, and BMW is a better run blocker than Heyer.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

When y'all get your wish and Zorn gets fired. Let's see what the new coach does about JC. I think if he (JC) was as great as some here seem to think his market value would have been more this past off season.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 10:48 PM

JC is not great, but he's not bad. I think he's in an excellent position, being in a contract year. He'll continue to start in the NFL, and he'll keep putting up decent numbers. In an organization that plays to his talents, he will win.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that in one breath, many RI faithful complain that Zorn has no business being head coach when he was never a HC or coordinator before, and then rip his head off when he struggles. Isn't that kind of a double standard?

Look, he inherited a rapidly aging, cap-strapped team with a suck-azz offense and limited draft picks that was built for power football. He is trying to change this program to a hybrid west coast offense, but he has Snyder and Cerrato making personnel decisions for him (no help there). Add in the lack of experience, and it's not a big surprise that there's trouble here.

At this point, his record as HC is 9-9. About all that Gibbs could do was .500 ball, so were no better or worse. Sorry.

We have to ride this out. Get behind and push because WE HAVE NO ALTERNATIVES.

No one, and I mean No ONE on this staff is worthy of replacing him as HC - especially Blache after that passive, suck-azz defensive display we just witnessed. Bringing in a new HC from outside is a guaranteed disaster. It has never worked before, and it's not time to try that experiment again.

We have three young receivers that will improve as the year goes on. We have a green head coach who is trying to get things right. Maybe a little patience and support - something we regularly crucify Snyder for lacking, will make a difference. I don't think yelling and calling for his head will help anything. (though it does relieve a little stress...)

Posted by: edvar | September 27, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zen is a cerebral guy who will attempt to convince his players this week that all is not lost. But I sense that his methodical approach is beginning to wear thin in the Redskins' locker room. There just seemed to be no sense of urgency from anyone during Sunday's game.

-Matt Mosely, espn.com

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Find the player who is the first to say that he is not worth the money that he is being paid

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That would be Jason Taylor.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

What frickin' team and games are you watchin'? This team just barely beat a terrible team and lost to a horrible team. If it's close enough for a f'in ref to decide IT'S TOO PHUKIN' CLOSE!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

let me guess if collins where in there it would be diffrent. i dont care if they win by 3 points all year long. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. the only way this team will get blow out wins is if holmgren calls the plays next week zorn just doesnt have it. Who didn't know that we were running left on 4th and 1?

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 27, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

if Danny wants to do "Anything to win" go pay Parcells 10 mill a year and get the SJK out of the way.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:52 PM

Parcells? I know Suzanne just got ridiculed and derided for pointing out that Miami's record is 0-3, but Miami's record is 0-3.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Gweez - the problem isn't the money, it's that someone like Parcells will never come here b/c of Danny. When Gibbs retired, it seemed like Danny basically asked him how much, but Gibbs didn't want to stay - I mean, look at the Zorn HC search - all the rumors that he offered it to Spags and he said no, but dude when to the RAMS the next year? Until he gets rid of Vinny and has a real GM, that will be a problem.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I would put Kareem Moore at FS, LLandry at SS to be unleashed to stuff the run or get the QB, and play Horton at SAM backer. Orakpo goes to RDE every down.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 27, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Same thing that I've been saying except I had Horton on the bench. Having the Predator at SLB would be tough, but I'm sure he could swing it. Hard to put him on the bench when he appears to always be near the ball.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, c'mon man, can a dude speak a little sarcasm from time to time.

You know I don't flip-flop that easy.

Not in my opinions and beliefs anyway.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

edvar, you're going to get banned from RI. You're too damned reasonable! Where's the hyperbole? Where's the namecalling?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zen is a cerebral guy who will attempt to convince his players this week that all is not lost. But I sense that his methodical approach is beginning to wear thin in the Redskins' locker room. There just seemed to be no sense of urgency from anyone during Sunday's game.

-Matt Mosely, espn.com

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Love Jim Zorn, he's a nice guy. In many ways he's the antithesis of guys like Bill Belicheck, Bill Parcells, Vince Lombardi and Jimmy Johnson...

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

let me guess if collins where in there it would be diffrent. i dont care if they win by 3 points all year long. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. the only way this team will get blow out wins is if holmgren calls the plays next week zorn just doesnt have it. Who didn't know that we were running left on 4th and 1?

Posted by: bza48842002 | September 27, 2009 10:56 PM |

I didn't say anything about Collins you retarded jacka$$.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

i figured red.....my sarcasm meter is slightly askew esta noche....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

That be an interesting idea (hell, I'd try anything at this point)... Except that this coaching staff doesn't seem to change the starting line-up except because of injury... I guess they stick with those Week 1 decisions come hell or high water...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 10:53 PM

Jason's been posting since pre-season that someone in the Park told him that Williams would be starting by...week 3? Too late for that, but maybe he meant "before the third loss."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Jinxman, he is one of the best players on defense. I think he should be on the field, and given the other moves that make sense, LB seemed like a spot to stick him.

Maybe move Rocky Mac to SAM, and let Horton go to the Weak side? Problem is then you take RM52 out of his spot where he is playing very well.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

From the article posted by JohnnyRyde:

DeAngelo Hall: "We got a lot of people that think they're better then they are. You can look at that and tell. It's not practice, this isn't the preseason. This is the real deal. There's a lot of guys running around where they think they've arrived and they haven't made a play in this league, but they think they've arrived...... It ain't like you can beat someone into something. Either you want it or you don't. They don't want it. They want the other stuff. They don't want to come out here and win football games."

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UFB! How does he not include himself in this?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Again:

Jason Campbell: "The sense of urgency is more now then it's ever been. You don't ever want to be in this position..... We really have to push eachother and get it turned around and turned quickly. It won't get any easier. I just don't know what happened today in a lot of phases of the game."

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What sense of urgency? There has been no sense of ungency from this team. ...ufb...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall: "We got a lot of people that think they're better then they are. You can look at that and tell. It's not practice, this isn't the preseason. This is the real deal. There's a lot of guys running around where they think they've arrived and they haven't made a play in this league, but they think they've arrived...... It ain't like you can beat someone into something. Either you want it or you don't. They don't want it. They want the other stuff. They don't want to come out here and win football games."

DeAngelo Hall why don't you work at getting the Dbs to make a fringgin play on 3rd and long.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Parcells? I know Suzanne just got ridiculed and derided for pointing out that Miami's record is 0-3, but Miami's record is 0-3.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll take my chance on Parcells. Like I said prior, this years record isn't the problem it's the previous 10 with Danny (Or in this case 25 with Parcells)

I know you are a bit of a contrarian TE but even you can't tell me you would prefer Danny over Tuna running the show.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"Jim Zen is a cerebral guy"

I've seen this type of thing a bunch of places. I've seen no evidence of "cerebral". I'm not at all saying that he's dumb, but where does the Zorn Cerebral meme come from? Just because someone is quiet and soft-spoken, it does not necessarily follow that the guy is smart...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are a tired organization, and they played like it against the Lions, who appear energized.

The Lions are on the way up after years of suffering, but they had to purge themselves of the Matt Millen first.

The Redskins are in for more hard, hard times until their own energy eater, the Vinny Cerratto is himself flushed far, far away.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

curz, I think Hall's comment is directed at LaRon Landry.

And while he most definitely has s*** in his own back yard, he wouldn't be incorrect in making a comment like that.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Why blame the defense?

Last year's defense ranked #4 in the NFL (yards/game)

This year's defense ranks #17 in the NFL after 3 games, including 2 of the worst offenses in the NFL.

I now see why Snyder spent so much money upgrading the defense... imagine if he hadn't!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

JC: don't blame Zorn (sob). he's my coach (sob).

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Time of possesion was the Defenses Fault today , the offence was only on the field for 1:41 seconds in the second quarter. No stops on 3rd down will kill you all day long. Can't score if you don't have the ball. The last 3 games the Defence has look very bad, they have not stopped anyone -Have they? No. Enough said, they are as disapointing as the offence = as bad as the other. Coaching on both sides of the ball is Lacking in a will to Win.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | September 27, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

edvar, you're going to get banned from RI. You're too damned reasonable! Where's the hyperbole? Where's the namecalling?

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You're right.

If I could fire anybody and make a change, it would be to can Blache and get somebody in there who has the balls to attack a rookie QB and knock him on his arse all day.

Sick and tired of this bend - don't break sissy crap D we play. I call it the "Don't start playing D until you are backed up to your own Redzone D"

We may want to pass out a memo on Monday informing the D that there's nothing in the rules that says you are not allowed to tackle someone behind their own line of scrimmage.

Boy...do I feel better!

Posted by: edvar | September 27, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh PS, speaking of Landry.... he's awful.

Discuss....

No really he's awful. Feel free to discuss. If you take away draft order and look at play on the field, I'll take Horton.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, I guess it's his use of the word "they" instead of "we".

Today I am not ready to let anyone off the hook.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

JC: don't blame Zorn (sob). he's my coach (sob).

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:08 PM

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No.

Blame it on me.

I'm a horrible fan.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I drank the Kool-Aid again. JC is a real QB but the rest I must have been put under some spell.(In my own defense I never belivied in Play calling crap at 6-2 or last week). Coaches need to organize and inspire and stay with what works in the play calling (run and pass). I also was not happy to see Gibbs leave and could feel the doom coming. But then .......... Gibbs or a good coach could get 10-6 out of this team but that is not going to happen.

Did you notice Reed D. looked like the only guy playing on defense in the third quarter.

Thinks have been worse in the 90s 0-3 vs. jets but this is hard to take. Anyway unless there is a 180 Zorn and Vinny are gone.

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Hall was also talking about Kelly and Thomas? Since he mentioned people that haven't made a play in the league. I mean, LL has made some statements - the other two, well, not so much.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Here is the list of duds and studs that were traded for or drafted during Gibbs 2.0.

Campbell (D)
Carter (D)
Heyer (D)
Landry (on the bubble as D)
A Montgomery (D)
Moss (S)
Portis (D getting too old)
Randle El (D)
Rabach (sort of S getting too old)
Smoot (D)
Suisham (D)

Add to that list the disastrous decision of hiring a coaching staff that was filled with inflated egos, not drafting OL, even when it was clear during Gibbs 2.0 that that was a need, and signing Mark Brunnell. All Gibbs' decision.

Now add your own studs or duds list to the team since Zorn is the head coach and VC the "GM."

The (D) list starts with: Rinehart
The (S) list starts with: ?

And how about that defense – it is offensive!

How would you like to coach a bunch of overpaid, underachieving, and delusional players forced upon you by Gibbs and Cerrato?

And you want to fire the guy? He id doing the best he can with what he got!!

8andeight: (since 2007) soon to be changed to 4and twelve.

Thank you Snyder, Gibbs, and Cerrato.

Posted by: 8andeight | September 27, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Again:

Jason Campbell: "The sense of urgency is more now then it's ever been. You don't ever want to be in this position..... We really have to push eachother and get it turned around and turned quickly. It won't get any easier. I just don't know what happened today in a lot of phases of the game."

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What sense of urgency? There has been no sense of ungency from this team. ...ufb...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

My reaction too... Maybe he means that off-field the guys are stressing out. He certainly can't mean that they are playing with urgency...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Hall was also talking about Kelly and Thomas? Since he mentioned people that haven't made a play in the league. I mean, LL has made some statements - the other two, well, not so much.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought he was talking about himself... no?

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Pretty classy move by Jansen gloating it up on Comcast after the game and spitting venom from the sideline.

Jansen, news flash, you aren't making the NFL hall of fame nor the Redskins ring of honor. You wasted your career here on mediocre teams that did nothing. You probably will never walk correctly or have the correct use of your thumbs. I hope the extra coins in your pocket and your 20 minutes of sideline trash talk was worth trading in against the fans memory of your career as a Redskin.

You Michagander trash.

Posted by: DownTownClown | September 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Jinxman, he is one of the best players on defense. I think he should be on the field, and given the other moves that make sense, LB seemed like a spot to stick him.

Maybe move Rocky Mac to SAM, and let Horton go to the Weak side? Problem is then you take RM52 out of his spot where he is playing very well.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Seems like we're on the same page. I hope the defense becomes more aggressive instead of taking the bend don't break mentality.

Tell you what though, I sure miss Sean Taylor. If the Reaper were still with us, I doubt we would even be having this conversation.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Chia, its already been established that this loss was not on the fans, horrible or otherwise.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn is a Good QB coach.

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

As has been pointed out, unless the players are close to mutiny or something like that, firing Zorn creates more problems than it solves since he has been so intimately involved in all aspects of the offense that anyone else taking over at this point would be at a loss as to what was there and what to do with it. At least the early collapse gives the FO plenty of time to think about the future before any moves have to be made.

What the situation eventually devolves into is anyone's guess. It is somewhat odd that the FO went from hiring "name" coaches to hiring one that was so far down the hierarchy of advancement that he had never been a coordinator, let alone a HC. And then as if to make things even rawer, Zorn decided to be OC and call plays, something that he had never done before. Inexperience paired with responsibility overload is a recipe for certain disaster. It strains credulity to see a FO go from one extreme to the other when selecting a field manager - from overripe to greener than the valley.

One of the problems that the FO will have to deal with is that if there are any good candidates out there, then many would probably be sacred off by the unorthodox way the FO works - no seasoned football person making personnel decisions and an owner who has little rapport with how the game works too involved in the details of the decisions being made.

Posted by: DLoad | September 27, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Curz,

For reasonable people it has been established that the fans are not to blame, but then again, this is RI.

Plus, I've been saying for years that JC isn't NFL QB material, and these same folks then called me a racist.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is the list of duds and studs that were traded for or drafted during Gibbs 2.0.

Campbell (D)
Carter (D)
Heyer (D)
Landry (on the bubble as D)
A Montgomery (D)
Moss (S)
Portis (D getting too old)
Randle El (D)
Rabach (sort of S getting too old)
Smoot (D)
Suisham (D)

This is not a very good list. Montogmery was 7th round pick. ST CR, LF not on the list. Suisham was a FA. ect. ect.

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, Curz

My comment was a facetious one about blaming it on me, a horrible fan.

I know this isn't the case. Perhaps you misunderstood, and I wasn't directing it at you.

My bad.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Dload,

Pretty clear that if you are going to make a change now it must be wholesale. No point in making someone like Blache (Whom i doubt would accept the position) coach. You'd do it to get the guy you were looking for before the likes of Jerruh Jones could snag him after the season.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

we need to hire a GM ASAP and let him run the show

we actually have one capable of filling that role in the organization by the name of morocco brown

too bad snyder will prolly overlook him...u know we dont like keepin home grown talent a la pierce, clark, etc....

Posted by: AhsanFamily | September 27, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Chia, I get where you were coming from and why you call yourself a horrible fan.

Did not feel it was directed at me, especially since I am not a horrible fan ;)

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will NEVER sell this team. Would you sell the goose that lays the golden eggs. So we are sadly, stuck with him. But where did he get this man crush on Cerrato?

Posted by: VegasJim | September 27, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Goodnight ya'all.

Things will get better, but not before they get a good bit worse.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel will be the interim HC. Sherman Smith will be the OC and call the plays. Chad Meidt will be the QB coach. You can't bring in another coach from outside the organization because this offense could work and there is no sense going back to the drawing board. This team has to stick with what it knows for now.
Buges has the fire that this team needs and has previous HC experience.

Posted by: RITCA | September 27, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Do people think Vinny can last if we go 6-10? Zorn was his guy and he has two full years after a playoff run. Dan let him go once and Gibbs could have eliminated him so there hope.

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Mul,

Most of those guys were neither drafted nor traded for.

6 of 11 by my count.

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

This just in - we also now have the same record as the Cardinals and they were in the Super Bowl last year. (Sorry, it's late, I couldn't resist!)

And hopefully, Dallas will be 1-2 this time tomorrow. Delhomme is due for a great game.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

suzanne is sippin' the Kool AId

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Who knows how long we have to deal with Vinny. The Fords kept Millen FOREVER, while having a carousel of HCs and QBs.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 27, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Rogers and ST were drafted. LF was not. Rocky looks good right now and he was drafted. Just saying not a good list. Smoot is a FA now but was drafted.

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

BRING BACK MARTY!

Posted by: jj250 | September 27, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

And this was not the most embarrassing loss ever.

The butt whupping in the Super Bowl against the Raiders when we had a top rated offense was far worse.

Also, when Troy Aikman was a rookie, the Cowpokes went 1-11. Guess who they beat?

Although this loss was demoralizing, because of the lack of effort, we have to eventually reach rock bottom right? From there the only way to go is up.

Posted by: RITCA | September 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"we actually have one capable of filling that role in the organization by the name of morocco brown"

couldn't agree more. Make Vinny head of Snyder's media empire as he has experience in that field to, and promote Brown.

Dude is the key to the turnaround....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Although this loss was demoralizing, because of the lack of effort, we have to eventually reach rock bottom right? From there the only way to go is up.

Posted by: RITCA | September 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Up is one way we could go... Continuing along the bottom is also a direction...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

We should start Colt, Marko, and Mason. The big three. Ha ha ha ha ha ah ahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

OT, but I wanted to let everyone know that NFL Sunday Ticket screwed Baltimore area viewers out of watching the Skins-Lions game. The game was not available on the Baltimore Fox affiliate since CBS was televising the Ravens game at 1PM (WTTG is not carried by Baltimore area cable and satellite carriers). In past seasons, I was able to watch it on Sunday Ticket, but they blacked it this time and claimed that they were within their rights because both the Redskins and Ravens are considered "home teams" in the Baltimore market.

In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't get watch most of this debacle, but WTF?

Posted by: mgonter | September 27, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Buges is too old for this crap. And does anybody even know what Sherman Smith does?

No, my friends, we are STUCK. Best to ride it out, support them the best way we can, and hope for: gradual improvement, and the eventual dismissal of the Vinster (although nothing will really change until the light goes on in Snyder's head and he backs out of all football related matters and just does that ceremonious owner thing).

Posted by: edvar | September 27, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Up is one way we could go... Continuing along the bottom is also a direction...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 11:41 PM |

Just ask the Lions before this game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Well according to Brian Billick, all we have to do is change our weight room, our parking lot, and our logo.

Posted by: RITCA | September 27, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Who in the heck is morocco brown. Why have we decided he is da man.

Posted by: mul123 | September 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne et all,

Please stop it with the 1-2 stuff. JC has better numbers than Tom Brady this year and yet something tells me that 9 out of 10 sane people don't think JC is a better QB than Brady. So let's stop the madness.

Morocco Brown gives me hope but nothing he's done so far (and I admit none of us know exactly what he has or hasn't done) has made me think that he's any different from the rest.

This team needs an enema. Someone from outside who is autonomous from Danny (at least day to day.)

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Like it Ritca.

John Riggins tweet:

# There are team specific issues for sure and some individual issues for sure but the owner ultimately is a loser and you can't fix thatabout 7 hours ago from web

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

this team is a mess from top down

cerratto needs to be fired...morocco brown in his place WITHOUT interference from snyder

puttin players in positions they dont belong in such as landry as a FS and orakpo at SLB...everyone knows they function better at SS and DE respectively

we sign alridge but he doesnt play a down???

we have a guy that has a knack for the endzone in mitchell but is inactive and never saw the field when he was active???

Posted by: AhsanFamily | September 27, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"Who in the heck is morocco brown. Why have we decided he is da man."

He is the asst GM. Hired 2 years ago away from Bears. He is in charge of the late round draft picks and undrafted free agents. This is an area where we have found talent. Give him shot at the big boys where he can apply those same skills to the upper tier playas and prospects.

He could be our version of the Ginas GM who was promoted after Ernie Accorsi restired.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Buges is too old for this crap. And does anybody even know what Sherman Smith does?

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Buges is just a stop-gap until next year. Zorn has lost the team. Buges can rally them. Smith stays on to call the plays that we've been practicing for 2 yrs. You can't clean house now, even if you hire Shanahan cuz you won't be able to get assistants that are with the other teams.

Posted by: RITCA | September 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not Brown is capable isn't really the issue. Fact is that until Danny is forced to concede decisions to a football person Danny is ultimately the GM regardless of titles.

Danny is unwilling to do this (See Marty Shott)

Posted by: Gweez | September 27, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I like it RITCA

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

thanks chrislarry, i was about to write an essay on what morocco brown has done with our late round picks and undrafted FA's

if he can do that with the talent weve found in the late rounds and undrafted players, imagine the team he could put together in the higher rounds and in free agency

im sure hes got a better vision of what this team could become than snyderatto

Posted by: AhsanFamily | September 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

i know gweez....let a man dream....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Band is learning a new song. It's by The Red Hot Chili Peppers. You may recogonize part of the refrain -

How long, how lo-ong, must we slide

Posted by: RITCA | September 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

How bad was the "d"?
(From Rick Maese article)

The Lions managed 381 yards of total offense. Only one team -- the New York Giants -- managed more against Washington last season.

The Lions entered the game ranked No. 29 in the NFL on third-down conversions; in one half against the Redskins, they converted 9 of 12 attempts.

Ouch!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

RITCA, has Sherman Smith ever called plays? My thought, to finish off a crazy day of posting by me is to give the play calling duties to Chris Meidt.

He at least called plays in college and was very agressive with his play calling.

Just a thought...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Good point Curzon. Hadn't thought of that. My point being that it has to be someone other than the HC. HC needs to motivate and manage the game, not call plays.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Danny Smith. He could be the next Marv Levy? ST coach to HC.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Definitely agree with that RITCA.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Gruesome display. But I felt a strange sense of relief after the game; was actually in a decent mood after the loss, unlike last week. I now know this season is a loss and don't have to agonize over each game.

Zorn is awful. Snyder and Vinny deserve blame for assembling a mediocre team. Zorn deserves blame for making miserable decisions week in and week out. He's one of the worst coaches in the NFL. Absolutely clueless and lost.

Snyder is here to stay; there are much worse owners out there (e.g. Ford, Ralph Wilson). His biggest problem is his unwillingness to accept a few bad years and start from scratch. We keep building mediocre teams, destined to be finish somewhere between 5-11 and 9-7. Maybe this will finally convince him we need to rebuild and blow this team up. Obviously, this starts with hiring a competent GM. For all his faults, Snyder wants to win. Maybe this could be a turning point. Guess we'll find out.

Posted by: Shmempire | September 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Gweez - I am just screwing around. We played like crap since the season started, but I am holding out hope that we play better and finish 10-6 and not 3-13. Still a lot that can happen - to us, to the 3-0 Jets and the 0-3 Titans (this utterly amazes me!)

Just hoping Carolina pulls one out tomorrow - so the first two games at Jerryland are two big LOSSES.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 28, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Danny Smith. He could be the next Marv Levy.
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At least his knows clock management. The funny thing is, that most people were calling for his head during preseason.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Teams are playing better this year, and I like his passion. And being Interim HC would give us a chance to see what he brings to the table.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

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Buges is too old for this crap. And does anybody even know what Sherman Smith does?

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Buges is just a stop-gap until next year. Zorn has lost the team. Buges can rally them. Smith stays on to call the plays that we've been practicing for 2 yrs. You can't clean house now, even if you hire Shanahan cuz you won't be able to get assistants that are with the other teams."
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I don't like it, but I don't hate it either.

Also, Yes to M Brown for GM. NO to M Shanahan for coach. He hasn't done much outside of his lame division in years. Let the Cow Pies have him.

I say we let Morocco Brown pick the new head coach. That's what good GMs do, remember?

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

im glad people like my idea of makin morocco brown the new GM

too bad snyder doesnt think so

Posted by: AhsanFamily | September 28, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Usually, after a few paragraphs of a Wise story, I roll my eyes and skip over to Boswell's article.

But the Wise story is right on the money.

I can only hope the rest of the media follows Wise's well reasoned indictment of this team. Yes, it's Zorn, but it's just as much Zorn as it is Blache, and Snyder, and Cerratto, and bunch of underachieving players.

Sure, Zorn needs to go. He's a bad head coach.
But don't think that just by replacing Zorn that this team will end up a playoff team in a year or so. Only one man was capable of that miracle, and I don't think Gibbs is up for a 3rd term as our head coach.

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

This suuuuuuuuuuuucks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm on the Danny Smith bandwagon.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Snyder is going to fire Zorn during the season.

I think he will want the appearance of an orderly transition to the next coach, the patina of a grown-up, not-particularly-dysfunctional organization. He doesn't want to look like the impetuous, impatient hair-trigger guy everyone used to think he was.

Remember, he looked like a jackass for firing Norv when the team had a winning record, and then Ray Rhodes was too good a man not to take over, so Snyder had to go to Terry "Robinsky."

(When I think about Danny Smith as a potential interim hire, I can't help thinking of Robiskie: one of the only dudes on the sideline who wears his heart on the sleeve, who looks mad when he's mad and happy when he's happy, just like most of us. The natural choice for fans frustrated with a spineless, mealy-mouthed anti-leader of a head coach. Blache is Ray Rhodes in this reprise.)

...so I think Snyder will fire Zorn when the plane lands after they come back from San Diego, some time in the wee hours of January 4.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith?

Really?

Seriously?

Just because he knew when to call time out?

Have we been reduced to this?

Get some sleep.

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

forget about going for the TD on 4th down - he had to given all of the criticism that has been thrown at him during the week. No way for any human to not react to it. The big mistake was Kedric Golston moving the ball from the one-foot line to the 5 yard line with his offsides blunder. HUGE mistake. Always make them earn their way out of the end zone. I also did not disagree with moving them out of FG range with the penalty later in the drive. I thought the D would hold them on 3rd and long and we all knew their kicker can hit the 50+ yarders. Seriously, the offsides penalty is a small mistake that was HUGE for the Lions.

Not buying any redskins paraphenelia or attending any games until Snyder gets a brain. I blame Danny and Vinny more than JZ or the players. I'll shut up before they track me down to sue me.

Posted by: HughGRection | September 28, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I previously had the Skins winning 9, 10, maybe even 11 games this season, but after the last two performances, I'm thinking 3, 4, or maybe 5 wins.

Jets, Saints, Broncos (oh my!)

I really want Zorn to succeed. But I don't see how at this point...I just don't see it happening.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is not the answer nor the reason for loosing. "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t"

Vinny Cerrato must GO! Bring in a real GM and then go from there.

Who would you rather have?
*Trade back 10 times and get P Ramsey and Ladel Betts or Clinton Portis in the draft?
*Carlos Rogers or Shawn Merriman?
*Laron Landry or Adrian Peterson?
*Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas or Eddy Royal and Desaun Jackson?
*Brian Orakpo (who sucks) or any offensive lineman?

(and that's only the first round)

Also, Laron Landry sucks! I'm tired of seeing him take bad angles and getting run over. The next big hit he makes will be the first big hit he makes!

Danny is a horrible teams coach - Skins teams have been awful for years. Just because he knows to wait to call a timeout, doesn't mean he is a good coach...

Posted by: Skin1 | September 28, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is not the answer nor the reason for loosing. "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t"

Vinny Cerrato must GO! Bring in a real GM and then go from there.

Who would you rather have?
*Trade back 10 times and get P Ramsey and Ladel Betts or Clinton Portis in the draft?
*Carlos Rogers or Shawn Merriman?
*Laron Landry or Adrian Peterson?
*Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas or Eddy Royal and Desaun Jackson?
*Brian Orakpo (who sucks) or any offensive lineman?

(and that's only the first round)

Also, Laron Landry sucks! I'm tired of seeing him take bad angles and getting run over. The next big hit he makes will be the first big hit he makes!

Danny is a horrible teams coach - Skins teams have been awful for years. Just because he knows to wait to call a timeout, doesn't mean he is a good coach...

Posted by: Skin1 | September 28, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Okay, maybe after this watershed low... the whole team just gets loose and says WTF let's just go play some football...and suddenly they shake off the baggage and really start to roll. Week after week they're just unstoppable.

(bbrrinnnnnnng, bbrinnnnnnng, Stumped, this is your wake up call. *sitting up, rubbing eyes* Word bubble appears above head...The Lions....REALLY!!!!????)

Poop.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Stumped, I think I had them going 8-8, but it looks like it would take a miracle, wouldn't it? Where exactly those seven wins would come from, I have no idea.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

As bad as the defense played this was a winnable game, the Lions had no defense, zero, zilch, nada, but our QB couldn't win against a high school team. It is time to get rid of him, the play calling can not be simplified more than what it has been. If Zorn does not change QB then sack him too and while you are at it dump Blatche and Cerrato as well.

Posted by: hock1 | September 28, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

As bad as the defense played this was a winnable game, the Lions had no defense, zero, zilch, nada, but our QB couldn't win against a high school team. It is time to get rid of him, the play calling can not be simplified more than what it has been. If Zorn does not change QB then sack him too and while you are at it dump Blatche and Cerrato as well.

Posted by: hock1 | September 28, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

For the record I was kidding about Danny Smith.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Here we are, freaking out about the beatings we'll have to take at work tomorrow when that d*uchbag Cowboys fan rags on us for rooting for a team that lost to the LIONS.

Meanwhile, Haynesworth, D Hall, Cooley, Moss, Dockery, Portis & Samuels are having a money fight while chasing each other in diamond-encrusted dune buggies.

Is there any way to restructure players contracts to make them 100% performance based?

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 28, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Dude, it was totally lemon juice in the paper cut to leave us after the most brutally humbling defeat we've had to endure over the last decade with a post about a player on the other team!

Sorry mista mayor, but that was incredibly "bush league." Whatever that means....

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 28, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

The O-line has been ignored in the draft for too long.

That's why the Skins ran for 0 yards in the 1st half.

That's why Portis couldn't pick up 4th and 1 at the goal line.

That's why no QB is going to win a lot of games behind this broken line.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel will be the interim HC. Sherman Smith will be the OC and call the plays. Chad Meidt will be the QB coach. You can't bring in another coach from outside

It'll be Blache. And he makes the most sense. Bugel not Smith would be the asst. head coach offensive coordinator. It would be Buges and Blache, the only guys with whom they would still have some chance ... minimal but not non-existent.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

"...how did the Ravens' offense get soooo good suddenly?"


They drafted a quarterback named Flacco who showed up a polished performer on day one.

They have a quarterback coach who draws up plays in the design of what he does well.

They let Flacco get his 'throw' on during the preseason so he would start the regular season in rhythm.

And it helps the have a defense that gets turnovers and short fields.

Posted by: MistaMoe


As you TOTALLy ignored the offensive line as critical to a team's offensive fortunes, you are now qualified to be a Redskins GM.

Posted by: TheCork | September 28, 2009 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Intelligence. Discipline. Professionalism.

The Redskins lack these qualities as a team.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 28, 2009 4:07 AM | Report abuse

more people need to listen to the junkies..... they speak the truth

Posted by: cancunlizzard | September 28, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Intelligence. Discipline. Professionalism.

The Redskins lack these qualities as a team.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 28, 2009 4:07 AM

And we posters up here know because we are blessed with a full measure of all three qualities. Plus, we're articulater than the Mayor. And -- bonuses -- we're all humble and handsome.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 28, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't read the column from Boswell, do so. Dude speaks truth:

"The Redskins aren't losers. But they will never be elite winners, especially in a team sport, until they defeat the idea that their potential, their fame or their wealth matters at all. Only their performance -- which is kept on the scoreboard for a reason -- counts. That's why teams beat individuals. And that's how the Lions, who have also had seasons of 2-14, 3-13, 5-11, 5-11 and 3-13 since '01, can beat Washington despite that $100 million free agent defensive tackle.

When the Redskins stop treating outcomes like this, or their losses last year to the Rams and Bengals, as flukes, they will have taken the first step toward minimizing them."

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

junkies:
-bad play calling
-bad 3rd down defense (lions 30% conversions coming in) 90% on sunday
-skins bad oline
-bad coaching decisions 4th down early
-coaches decisions responding to the fans
-can't run
-portis is done
-4 80 yard drives against our d
-1 sack by d ends so far this season
-bad d play calling- no blitzing!!!!!!!!!!!
-smoot 10 yards +++ on every snap
-hall same
- haynesworth- "who gets carted off and comes back?" awesome!!!!!!!
-lions 9-12 on third downs against
-not a fluke win for the lions.....
-wtf play on the final play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-never throwing into the end zone
-zorn "is out of his league"
-tom cruise................................

sorry, i'm laughing too hard to keep up.............. F my season tickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cancunlizzard | September 28, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

cancun,

Like there the only ones who know that, the junkies suck.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

You were right and I was wrong about the score. You thought Detroit could win. I thought the Redskins couldn't lose.

But we were both wrong about how the Redskins would play. The played worse than I thought they would play. But, as bad as they were, they still played better than you thought they'd play.

And, of course, as usual it's all because of Snyder and Cerrato.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 28, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, there is one interim coach who could turn this around now....Marty, yes I said it, Marty! He is actually on great terms with Danny boy & he brings the fire and accountability this team needs. Plus the guy just flat out is desperate to be in football again!

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | September 27, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Heck I think hiring Marty the first time was the smartest move Danny ever made which of course led to one of the stupidest, firing Marty.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | September 28, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

T_E, I had absolutely no plans of gloating today...I take no joy in this. It's like a kick to the stomach, whether or not you see it coming it still hurts.

I thought they would lose a close one, but I never thought the Lions would actually dominate the game. That was an embarrassment and a disgrace. Losing to the Lions is one thing...you're on the road against a desperate opponent with some talent. But to get OWNED by them from the opening kickoff to the triple zeros is a complete and total abomination.

And it's one thing if they lose games but are entertaining to watch. They aren't. I can deal with ugly football if you win a good number of them. But they're a complete eyesore. I live up in PA, so I have to go out of my way to see this crap. Rest assured, I won't make that mistake again. If they're on TV here then great, but I can't afford to spend the day at the local Skins bar if I'm not even going to be entertained. F that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I have been rooting for this team with my emotions on my sleeve since i was a young boy in 1978. I can't stand rooting for them anymore. I will continue to but its painful. Its like being in love with a woman who doesnt love you back, you're always disappointed in them. They have ZERO leadership. They have no fire. They are no longer anything to be proud of. My 15 year old daughter doesnt understand why I have rooted for them this long and care so much on gameday. She thinks they have always stunk...It sucks to be a Redskins fan..it truly does.. Yesterday it was apparent that they gave up during the game..uninspired play across the board..the real trouble for this team will start when its diehard fans give up too and find better things to focus on than a bunch of rich spoiled athletes who just dont freaking get it. Play with some fire and enthusiasm before you lose us all damn it! You won't be able to get those rich contracts when WE stop tuning in and showing up!

Posted by: scottmando | September 28, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

I have been rooting for this team with my emotions on my sleeve since i was a young boy in 1978. I can't stand rooting for them anymore. I will continue to but its painful. Its like being in love with a woman who doesnt love you back, you're always disappointed in them. They have ZERO leadership. They have no fire. They are no longer anything to be proud of. My 15 year old daughter doesnt understand why I have rooted for them this long and care so much on gameday. She thinks they have always stunk...It sucks to be a Redskins fan..it truly does.. Yesterday it was apparent that they gave up during the game..uninspired play across the board..the real trouble for this team will start when its diehard fans give up too and find better things to focus on than a bunch of rich spoiled athletes who just dont freaking get it. Play with some fire and enthusiasm before you lose us all damn it! You won't be able to get those rich contracts when WE stop tuning in and showing up!

Posted by: scottmando | September 28, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I feel your pain, Scott. Sad part is they WILL be able to pass out those rich contracts and they WILL be able to continue this alarming trend because the owner knows how to get money. And he's completely taking advantage of the fact that the Redskins have one of the most loyal and die-hard fanbases in sports. For every guy like me who refuses to line his pockets, there's another 200,000 waiting in line to do just that.

It would take about another decade for Snyder to see a real dent in his money because the next generation won't remember the glory years and will only know the mediocre crap we've seen since the mid-90s. Then the great Redskin legacy will only be in history books.

Truly sad.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to dump on this blog and its leader...
However, if LaCanfora was still leading this site, don't you think there would be quotes from coaches and players out of the locker room?

Didn't he get all kinds of information for us behind the scenes that I don't see happening the first three weeks of this season?

Bring back LaCanfora...
Joking of course, I know he is over at the NFL Network predicting the Lions to beat the Skins.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 28, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

The problem with this team IMO is the pampering of players who on any other credible team would be spokes in the wheel. We are letting the inmates run the asylum. Remember back when we were good and we let ART MONK go because it was the smart thing to do for the success of the team? I hated that decision and resented it for years but you know what?? This team today makes me long for the good ole days when we had a plan and we did what was best for the teams future..i hate that CP is pampered like a freaking rockstar and practices when he wants and plays when he wants and knows he has guaranteed money and isn't going anywhere..I'm not blaming him specifically but its the lack of accountability and leadership that has derailed this once proud franchise and made them painful to watch...Next week I will be on my boat fishing or something else but I won't be watching this team...I will still be rooting for them but I'm not wasting my time watching this old re-run...I know how this story ends - I've seen it all before.

Posted by: scottmando | September 28, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Cheers to Jansen, working with a team that has a better shot at the playoffs this year and for the forseeable future than the Redskins, that has the coach we should have hired (though Schwartz was probably smart enough to realize he'd be better off passing on the Snyder job, like Spagnolo).

Posted by: MarquisSmith | September 28, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

To all of you eternal optimists out there, all I can say is good luck. What we saw on Sunday was a team in disarray. If anyone thinks it is not the coaching, then think again. The Redskins had nine penalties for 97 yards. That comes down to discipline and coaching. The offense is still predictable. As bad as the defense played, they still only gave up 19 points, which is not an unsurmountable margin. Make no mistakes about your assessment of the game: the Redskins lost to a very bad football team. If you eternal optimists think Zorn and crew can turn this thing around in time to have a winning season, then I recommend you put something very strong in that kool-aid your are drinking...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 28, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

As a 'Skins fan living in Tampabay, my flame still burns bright for the 'Skins. I'm coming up to see the game. Just keep the faith folks. It's still early. Tampabay is struggling badly. We can do this one. Come on, lemme hear ya sing "Hail to the Redskins!"

Posted by: typesk8r50@hotmail.com | September 28, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"cheers to jansen".....really??

ugh....this really sucks....someone needs to get fired, get cut...something...

How about an update on the numerous injured players, Cooley/Portis/AH/Rak etc....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

here is what perplexes me, and maybe someone can help me understand it. JC threw to DT/MK/FD in the first quarter, and gained something like 38 yards on 3 passes..I think the throws to MK, and FD were also first down passes...then after that NEVER completed another pass to them. That just CONFRONTS me so much...why...how does this happen. JC gets so locked in on one guy that he can't / wont come off him....I know its small potatoes, but man, that just kills me....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Greg, taking it out on Jansen solves nothing. I still don't get the venom you have for him...he was a huge asset here far longer than he was a liability. And no chance he does worse than your precious Heyer yesterday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

brown, couple things:

1. I've never been a booster of either, Mason, as you stated on Friday, nor of Heyer. If ANYTHING, I've been one of the biggest detractors of Mason on this blog. Jansen has been TOAST/DONE for quite some time, sorry that I don't want to hang onto guys who can't get it done. He's 2nd string on the lions now. Hooray....

2. Keep on beating that drum that Jansen could have been the difference in the game yesterday.....let me know when you want to talk logically....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

In three decades of watching Redskin football, I cannot think offhand of a lower point than the game today. The owner, the coach, the entire staff of the Washington Redskins should be utterly embarassed. When you lose to the worse team in the NFL, that makes you the new worse team in the NFL. The only silver lining is there is no where to go but up...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 27, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Where were you from 1993-1995. It was way worse then.


Posted by: croftonpost | September 27, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse


No it wasn't. Back then we still had pride and expected a turnaround. every team goes thru rebuilding. You don't stay on top forever. But we have been mediocre or less for 17 years straight now and we have no reason to expect anything to change. I have to admit I drank the Kool AID and expected out Defense to carry us to the playoffs this year. but now that they are a disappointment and underacheivers, I know how this season will end up and my candle has been blown out. 32 years I've been rooting for this team - hard. I've had it with them. I'm done expecting better from them. We suck and until the whole organization goes thru a major change we will continue to suck. I don't really f'ing care what big name free agent they get next year or what coach they hire - They have lost me and my support until they can show that they are different. Im disgusted with them. Screw em

Posted by: scottmando | September 28, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I TOLD YOU THERE WAS NO WAY THE REDSKINS COULD BEAT THE LIONS!

When will you people realize that I know what I am talking about?

I am the Sports Guru... believe that.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Shoulda known Greg would be in rare form...

I never said "Jansen could have been the difference in the game yesterday"...all I'm saying is that your venom for him and crap like "he stole from us for years" is misplaced. And while he's far from the answer, you can't tell me we couldn't have used the extra body yesterday (regardless of what's left in the tank) when this team ran for a whopping ZERO yards in the first half.

Heyer sucks HARD. And having a sh*tload of running backs active for a game makes no sense when you have no O-lineman worth a shti.

So when you're done with your tantrum, let me know.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious as to who gets benched this week.....I mean, a virtual pick your guy on defense...Landry, Rogers, are the first 2 I'd start with on defense, heck, maybe even switch Griff, and Golston in the starting lineup.... Portis on offense, he's just a liability at this point.....shake things up, get guys out of their comfort zone, piss some guys off, hurt some pride if there is any left...players need to be accountable for their play on the field...hold some hands to the fire...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

When will you people realize that I know what I am talking about?

I am the Sports Guru... believe that.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 8:39 AM


Probably when you lay off JC and shift your profound hate to the men that are the REAL problem here: Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

There aren't enough people to fire/cut/bench. Start with the owner and work your way down.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 28, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Whatever CL, gweez, red are saying

Posted by: dealer1 | September 28, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm just numb now. I wish I cared enough to assassinate Snyder, but I just don't...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Even though the defense hasn't looked stellar the Skins have given up the 5th fewest points in the league at 49pts. That should be reduced to 42pts while the defense is on the field because one of Campbell's turnover resulted in a run back for a touchdown. The offense is not producing and Campbell is the main problem. He didn't produce under Gibbs, but given a pass because he was young, didn't produce last season and was given a pass because it was his first year under a new offense. This season he looks more undecisive than he ever has. It is time to go. I am completely baffled as to why his butt isn't on the bench. At the very least you have to try something else for a few weeks. If the result is the same with other QBs it's the coaching staff. I am leaning toward it being JC. The other QBs executed the playbook effectively during the preseason. I know, I know, it was preseason, but they moved the ball.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 28, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Is the problem with the Redskins that they always play down to their competition? The team yesterday should have lost the opener to the Giants by 500 points! Instead they played the Giants fairly close in a tough environment. That must be a problem with the coaching.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | September 28, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

yeah, brown, I'm throwing a tantrum, right..keep thinking Jansen could have helped...you're alone on that island...


you also might want to quit with the 'assasinate' talk too...thats just galactically stupid, regardless of what context you're using it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brownwood26, You need to delete your threat to Snyder. You could get into very serious trouble for what you typed, even if it was satire.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | September 28, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm just numb now. I wish I cared enough to assassinate Snyder, but I just don't...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

You, me and apparently the annoying one from the sports junkies.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

he was a huge asset here far longer than he was a liability. And no chance he does worse than your precious Heyer yesterday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse


Key word there is "was"

Look,losing Jansen isn't the problem. Having four that's right FOUR second round picks over the last two years that combined for 3 catches and 1 sack (for the Miami dolphins) is the problem.

Those could have been used on a right tackle, a guard/center, a weak side LB (so arakpo could be a down lineman and quality depth at either WR/DB or any of the other positions...

Let's stop it with the Jansen talk.

Posted by: Gweez | September 28, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn starts benching the team's "stars" and vets - ie. CP26, Landry, Rogers, etc - that would definitely be the last dance for Zorn b/c then he would have totally alienated the guys he needs in the lockerroom and the guys that Snerrato believe in.

Zorn does not have the cred that a guy like Andy Reid has to pull something like that off and get away with it.

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

When will the Skins' brass realize they have a backup QB at best in Campbell and move on. He just does not have it. What QB just drops the ball as he prepares to pass in a very critical point in the game. He can't throw on the run (and he is running often). He can't throw the long ball accurately. He can't pick out the best receiver option. And he surely doesn't command this team. He has no charisma. Actually, he has no personality at all. There has never been a team leader who has no personality, who has no charisma, who has no leadership abilities.
And combine that with a coach whose judgement is not up to head coaching level, that is a losing combination.

Posted by: scribebob | September 28, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Is the problem with the Redskins that they always play down to their competition? The team yesterday should have lost the opener to the Giants by 500 points! Instead they played the Giants fairly close in a tough environment. That must be a problem with the coaching.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | September 28, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse


Maybe the issue was that the Giants "played down" to us.

I'm tired of this perspective - "Hey, at least the Giants didn't KILL us!! Woo-hoo!!"

It's like harvesting undigested tidbits of food from a pile of crap. Sure, I guess they're edible, but...


Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Let's stop it with the Jansen talk.

Posted by: Gweez | September 28, 2009 9:05 AM


That's the subject of the post. That's why it came up.

And again: I never said "Jansen was the difference"...that's Greg's stupidity. The only reason he came up in my mind at all was that Greg made the "galatically stupid" comment that he's been stealing from the Redskins. So completely lame I can't even stand it.

As for the "assassinate" comment, read it again. I didn't say I would do that. But to quote Chris Rock, "I don't condone it...but I'd understand."

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying is that your venom for him and crap like "he stole from us for years" is misplaced.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:40 AM |

I was the one who said he stole from us for 3 years. There wasn't any venom attached to it, I loved Jansen and was all for having him. I hoped he could regain his early form but let's not crap in a bag and call it lunch. After that achilles injury he was near worthless.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

p1, disagree, I think portis needs the rest, he's clearly laboring...give betts, and mason the ball, let CP get healthy....

I think JZ needs to shake some guys up, get them out of their funk/lethargy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what the over/under on Sunday's game with TB is? 3.5 perhaps?

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

It's like harvesting undigested tidbits of food from a pile of crap. Sure, I guess they're edible, but...

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 9:12 AM


LOL! So true...

Gotta laugh to keep from crying, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Did Rinehart get benched yesterday or was he hurt? I saw Montgomery out there in the 2nd half.

Not that it matters; I was just curious.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 28, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The closing on Boswell's column:

"This dignity-robbing defeat, one that the Redskins will remember and hopefully reflect upon, took only three hours. But it was years in the making."

Amen, and amen.
Thanks Danny and Vincenzo for all you're doing.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | September 28, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Heyer and Rhinehart on the line? How do we keep the ambulances off the field when the opposing defensive lineman turn blue from laughing?

We now have about 2 and one half legitimate linemen and a starting running back who has not broken a tackle in ten games. That is a fine and dandy combination for third and one, not to mention fourth and one.

And how many years in the league does it take for Smoot to learn that you can not cover by holding onto your man? I got so tired of watching back of ol' 27 on play after play.

Posted by: driley | September 28, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I can't see how there are any optimists at all out there after watching a game like that. Agree with earlier poster that this team is in disarray. Strahan was right - the team quit in the first half, and was really not much better in the second half. Most of the scoring for this offense, in terms of touchdowns, has come during prevent defenses designed to allow opportunities for yards in exchange for burning time (Giants last 2 minutes, Detroit last 5). At that point, the offense can get into a rhythm and score. Until then, the entire offense buckles under any pressure it faces.

Zorn claims that attention to small issues can fix all of this. I don't see it. In the big picture there is a lack of unity and passion with this team. There is no identity and apparently no real leadership. After 17 years of this crap...

Posted by: hithere1 | September 28, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"I think JZ needs to shake some guys up, get them out of their funk/lethargy..."


How do you get into a funk the third week of the season?

When you add the performance of rams' game to the lions' game, you pretty much get what this year's edition of the redskins is: a bad team.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"there's nothing you can say that'll make me believe we couldn't have used Jansen today. 0 rushing yards in the first half against the Lions???? Stephon Heyer my ass...you'll be able to count the TDs scored by this offense the rest of the year on one hand!"

brown, here is your quote, what part of this doesn't indicate that you think Jansen would have been the difference....I'll let you figure our your own quotes.....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

t's like harvesting undigested tidbits of food from a pile of crap. Sure, I guess they're edible, but...

Your definition of edible is far, far different from mine.

Posted by: daggar | September 28, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

We need a real FS, we need a real OG, OT who can run block. We need a RB who can hit the hole hard and split carries with Portis. We need a real second WR, and Malcom Kelly can jump off a bridge right now for all I care. We need to turn Carter into a backup DE and just have BO play down on his hands. We need to go sign a quality free agent LB, or get the guy we grabbed from STL and have him start.

BUT MOSTLY WE NEED A NEW GM AND NEW COACHING STAFF.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

JC 340yds 2tds 1 pick in 23 mins, was he inaccurate at times? yes, erratic? no. he missed some throws but so does every qb. the receiver dropped a couple passes but i don't think JC played poorly today. as for him looking indecisive, it's not art,gary and ricky out there dropsies and poor route running really affect a qb's confidence in a receiver. the whole team needs to improve JC included, but this loss hardly falls on him and him alone.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

oe, the radio said that CR went to the sideline for a series for helmet related issues....

moe, I'm just throwing stuff out there, but how do you explain how poorly Landry has been playing?? Maybe guys just lost their focus, lost their anger, lost their edge, and getting benched might piss them off, wake them up a bit......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Just wait. When we lose to the Saints, brown will on here telling everyone how we REALLY could have used Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

D Hall talked about players thinking they had "arrived" even though they hadn't done anything. Any thoughts on who he was talking about?

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

p1, disagree, I think portis needs the rest, he's clearly laboring...give betts, and mason the ball, let CP get healthy....

I think JZ needs to shake some guys up, get them out of their funk/lethargy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse


Maybe you sit a guy like CP26 and call it bone-spurs to help him save face, but you don't bench him outright and tell everyone that you are doing it to shake things up.

As much as I have loved CP26, he is a dormant strain of the T.O. virus, and that would wake it up. And he's boyz w. Danny S. Sheesh what a dysfunctional team!?!?

But I agree that CP is done. W/ bone spurs he's only going to get less effective as the season wears on - if that's possible.

Sad to say, he's been reminding me of Shaun Alexander so far this year. He just sort of walks up to the line, if there is a gaping hole he'll get 3-4 yards. If not then he falls to the ground at first contact...

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why in the world we did not throw a pass to the end zone on the last play of the game. I mean a hook and lateral really. with the defense there were playing a hook and lateral makes no sense. but once again this goes back to the type of play calling zorn does.

On another note I get so tired of him defending his playcalling after the game in the post game interviews. always talking about the play he called was solid, how is it solid if it dosent ever work

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

will, I'm not sure who he could have been talking about, but given the lack of production, lack of performance from Hall, I'd say that he needs to look more inward than anything......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

When will you people realize that I know what I am talking about?

I am the Sports Guru... believe that.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 8:39 AM


Probably when you lay off JC and shift your profound hate to the men that are the REAL problem here: Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:45 AM |

Done!

From what I have seen with Jim Zorn saying he would bench SOnny for stepping outside of his control, and listening to Jason Campbell on Lavar's show, I think Jason Campbell is probably a very very good quarterback, but has always towed the company line.

Our immediate problem is Jum Zorn, our next problem is Vinny Ceratto, but our main problem is The Danny... plain and simple!

This team will NEVER be any good until The Danny hires a GM who knows what they are doing, and allows the GM to hire a coach that knows what they are doing.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

BG/Brownie...dudes take your corners....no one is in the mood to read your volleyball match of fake outrage at each other today.

you both make good points often which usually weaken at the constant sniping. I am all for scrapping but c'mon!

Also the army of apologists today will be funny for a few minutes and quickly sour into disturbing.

We need a G. George....no not the playa...the sacrificial bad egg lamb to just siht can and turn the page. Who is our Tony Banks in 2009?

The only way forward is just to accept total suckitude and then start seeing what pieces can help make a play, finish a drive, win a quarter, rebuild some pride.

Where is our Lavar pick 6 against the Panthers...b/c this team is that low...maybe lower.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

After watching Portis look for a place to fall every time he touched the ball it's clear that he is not running with any urgency. The pain he is dealing with inside his body must be causing him great pain and discomfort because he is not the same guy this year. I know his body is starting to take a beating after putting up nearly 10k in yards but he is losing that edge. I can see why the Skins made the choice to keep Marcus Mason because they knew this day was coming. Yes Marcus is a tackle to tackle guy but he is fresh with less wear and tear at this point in his career. Now is the time to rotate some of the younger guys to build for tomorrow with experience. We have two 30 year old backs and one nearly 10k milestone back which says a lot but also expose a grim reality with our run game. Marcus and AA could provide future help and services with the addition of a drafted RB in the 2010 draft. If we are going to lose, lets gain some experience in the process. Play the young guys in the backfield and just maybe Portis will start moving with some urgency if he thought his job was on the line.......

Posted by: thebanker21 | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

We may be delusionalat times, but we are not fickle. Yeah, we get too high on wins and too low on losses, but that is not fickle to me. A fickle fanbase would be seeing blackouts by now and not still rabidly supporting a team that has been for the most crappy over the past 17 years. What you're seeing now is frustration over 17 years of stupid penalties, throwing 6 yards when you need 7, running 10 yards across the field when you need 1 for a TD, running backs falling without ever getting touched, bend but sometimes break defenses, overspending, incompetent front office work, etc. It irks me that I have to explain to my son that when I was growing up, the Redskins were like the Giants, Steelers, and Patriots now. Then I come to the realization that for most of my adult life, my team has been like we thought of the Packers in the 80s, fair to middling, relying on past glory, might make the playoffs occasionally, etc. Snyder's not selling the team. The best we can hope for is that this season goes 3-13 bad and he tries something new, like hiring a GM who's not a tool and giving him (or her...I don't care) complete autonomy to remake the organization.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | September 28, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg, if you can't discern the proper meaning from that quote there's nothing else I can say to make it clear to you. You used to piss me off, but now I just pity you. To be so blind with rage over this loss that you can't even read English anymore...just wow.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

For the last ten years this franchise has been a joke. This year the players have no heart at all. It amazes me that these guys think that they can roll their helmets out and the other team will lay down. D Hall said it best when he said that there are some people that think they are better than they are. First of all Smoot and Rogers can't cover me and I am 59 years old. JC looks like a deer in the headlights out there. sure he got 340 yards passing but like a lot of people say, statistics are for losers. The only statistic that counts are touchdowns and wins and he can't get either. I will be interested to see what the excuse of the week will be for him. Let's see, matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez are rookies, so they can't play well because they are in a "different system." Maybe Georgia ran the same system the Lions are running so he is familiar with it. Yeah, right. The defense is horrible. Did Laron Landry dissapear? Haven't heard too much about our #1 either. If the Lions can go 18 plays on one drive and 99 yards on another what do you think the Eagles are going to do? I think this team is too worried about their twitter accounts and not about football. If they think they got booed last week wait until Sunday. The only way Dannydummy is going to make changes is if he sees 40,000 empty seats in Landover. If I was a season ticket holder I would organize a boycott. Nice team you put together Vinnie, now you are stuck with an underachieving QB, a 38 year old QB who can probably play but won't get a chance, and a QB on IR. That is geat front office work. Sorry for all of the negativity, but I have been watching Redskin teams for the past 50 years and this one, so far, is the worst in terms of heart and soul. At least when they were losing back in the sixties they were more spirited, but that was a different day, a different athlete and a different league. This team has no passion.
There is time to regain the season but now we have to beat teams we are not supposed to beat. Maybe the plan was to get all the other teams overconfident, if that is it it is probably working.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | September 28, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Where is our Lavar pick 6 against the Panthers...b/c this team is that low...maybe lower.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 9:32 AM


Sorry to say CL, but it ain't coming.

Not this year. Not with this coach.

And certainly not with this group of players who are happier to be paid than to play solid football.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's see if we could come up with some solutions to the red zone problems, because clearly this FO, coaching staff, and players pay attention to what's put out in the media. That's why the team is in a funk. They are to sensitive to outside pressures. Here's one idea, if we have to run the stretch play at the goal line, let's put BMW in and take Cooley out. Clearly there is no play action play to counter the run, so whats the point in having Cooley in. Put BMW in, who by all accounts is on of the better run blockers on the team, and have him, Samuels, Dock, Sellers lead the way.

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, nothing has changed since my last post. Except...more of the same and worse. I have been giving Zorn and Campbell the benefit of a doubt- but, they keep looking worse with each game. Now the defense is degenerating to keep up with the non-existant offense. As I said the last time, this goes back to training camp. Zorn ran a pansey camp to preserve (maybe they should have been stuffed and mounted) his brittle stars (wait a minute, they have been stuffed and mounted). Now they are playing just like they trained. I recall watching the Green Bay/Chicago game after the Redskins loss to the Giants and if was obvious that both those teams were playing with at least 200% more effort than I saw from the Skins. The players say the fans know nothing about football. Well, it is now obvious that some of the players know very little about playing with intensity and desire. I think that the Snyder era has been a disaster for the Redskins. Unfortunately, you can't fire the owner. I strongly agree that the current management needs to be changed. Get a GM who knows football and personnel. Move Vinney fulltime to the radio station. What we have been watching since Snyder bought the team has not been Redskin football as we knew it.

I've ranted enough - just had to get it out of my system.

Posted by: oldskinsfan1 | September 28, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Facts:

(1) Nobody should be shocked because we're not that much better than the Lions. If we play them 10 times, I bet we only win 6 or 7.

(2) Most of the problems with this team are not Zorn's fault. They are Vinny's fault. They are personnel problems. Actually, I think Zorn and Buges have done an admirable job designing protections that allow our lackluster O-line to protect Campbell pretty well.

(3) The first personnel problem that needs to be addressed is the O-line, which needs an influx of young talent. We need two high round draft picks here this year.

(4) The most mysterious problem is actually our defense this year. Last year we were No. 1 in the NFL on third down. This year we are terrible. It can't be that Springs is gone because he was injured so much anyway. Corners need to play up more. I don't know what else.

(5) They should let Zorn complete the year and, barring a 4-12 finish, give him next year too while we retool the o-line, etc. I don't like the West Coast Offense, but Danny chose it and I know that it takes more than 2 seasons to start showing results. (see Green Bay, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.)

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 28, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey, at least we know what we got. A team that needs to be blown up and rebuilt from scratch with a new GM and head coach that know how to do things right. The problem is, now that we know this, we now have to hold our breath and see if our pathetic owner sees this too and finally understands what he needs to do. Back off and sign checks, not meddle in the football side of things.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 28, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

As a fan for over 30 years, I don't have any hope that meaningful changes will occur as a result of this embarrassing loss.

1. I was thinking that it would be good to go 1-15 so it would would spur the Snyder to make wholesale changes with the RIGHT people. Unfortunately, that will not happen, and nothing will change because Dan will do something to appease fans and perhaps fire Zorn, but it will not really solve the problems with this organization

2. We definitely need a proven GM but which decent GM will want to work for Snyder?

3. No self-respecting, and decent coach, will ever come here as long as Snyder is the owner, regardless of the money.

4. The only things we fans can do is to stop giving our hard-earned money to Snyder. If we can't force changes in the organization at least we can spend our money on more useful things.

Posted by: zimboy20 | September 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Will the 'skins win any NFC East game this year? It's gonna be a long season folks, go on over to the phone booth where the Caps play; everything is cheaper, it's more fun and they win.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | September 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

I just see too many play calls this year that make me say, “WTF?” I think there’s way too much emphasis on forcing deep throws. It’s about 1st downs, long drives to rest our defense while tiring theirs and more than 0 yards rushing in the 1st half.

Have you noticed how well we’ve moved the ball when Campbell is calling plays in the no huddle? I’d bet my life that it’s mostly because he takes what the defense gives him and probably doesn’t feel constrained to adhere to a play called by the head coach. Plus, we used to be great at running screen plays and short passes to the backs. (Remember the RAC yards by Portis against Chicago two years ago?) I don’t think we ran a single screen Sunday and the Detroit defense was begging for it! I truly believe that the play calling is vastly different from that which got us to 6-2 early last year.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Jansen is a cry baby bum this is his superbowl and he won. who cares what he says or what he is happy about he is irrelevant.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | September 28, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

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