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Kelly Says He's Ready to Go

With one remaining preseason game, second-year wide receiver Malcolm Kelly is right on track.

"You know, with just doing the things I wanted to do, I feel good about" the preseason, Kelly said. "My route running, just doing what I have to do to get ready for that season, I've done all that. Now, it's just about keeping it going."

Instead of sulking after his rookie season was ruined because of knee problems, he had offseason microfracture surgery and went to work with an admirable approach and attitude.

He routinely stays after practice for individual tutoring from wide receivers coach Stan Hixon and to hone his timing with quarterback Jason Campbell. Kelly has shown encouraging signs in preseason games, displaying the athleticism and receiving skills that prompted the Redskins to draft him despite the medical concerns about his knee. Will Kelly win the starting flanker spot?

I don't know. There's a lot that goes into these types of decisions, especially around here, but I expect Kelly to be a big contributor as long as his knee holds up.

"I'm doing what I can do" to keep his knee strong, Kelly said. "Doing my exercises and everything I can, and I'm always going to have to do that. But as far as who's going to start and all that, it's not up to me.

"I said I wasn't going to say anything about that, and I haven't. No talking. I just said, 'Wait 'til the games.' I feel good about what I've done, but I'm just going to keep on going. We'll see."

By Jason Reid  |  September 3, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
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Cancel your subscriptions to the Washington Post. That's first and foremost. Theire slant never ends. The venom that drips from their ink each time they pen a hit-piece, it's sickening. They decided a while ago to drop these non stories and create pseudo controversies the week before the season starts...and readers should ask why. Why has this paper has been unfairly attacking Dan Snyder and the Redskins for years?

The Redskins, as well as many other professional sports franchises, have had to fight in court to collect debts for years. You sign a contract, you are expected to fulfill that contract. Just as with any other business deal.

There's a reason I don't have the multi thousand dollar loge seats, because I don't want to sign a multi-year contract that I can't guarantee I'll want or be able to pay for years down the road. People who make the mistake of doing so and then try to back out, then they blame the Redskins for coming to collect the debt? It's absurd. I'm sorry but I feel no sympathy for these people. These are the same types of folks who destroyed the housing market. These people buy more than they can afford and then figure the magic money fairy would come and save them.

You aren't sure you can pay for the premium seats 5 years from now?

THEN DON'T SIGN THE F'ING CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simple as that.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

So for someone to say they can't afford to pay thousands of dollars for friggin' football tickets in today's economic climate isn't uncommon or "absurd" as you claim.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Nice straw man. This comment is so patently dishonest that it's pretty hard to take the rest of what you said seriously. Please point to the comment where I said it's absurd to say they can't afford thousands of dollars for football tickets. What I said was it is absurd that they sign the contracts if they might not be able to afford them years down the road.

It never ceases to amaze me how badly people will misrepresent their opponent's position just to win an argument.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Yawn, Barno. Yawn.

Hey, JReid-- if we keep RBs, who makes it? Mason or Alridge?

Wish it could be Portis, Mason, Cartwright, and Alridge, myself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | September 3, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me how badly people will misrepresent their opponent's position just to win an argument.


Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:06 AM

Sounds like a politician.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

T_E, this is work?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 3, 2009 9:53 AM

Maybe not for you, but it is for me. I count on the monthly check I'm getting from the Post for doing this. Fortunately, my pay is based on number of words, not their quality.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Read the WaPo article about the Redskins suing their fans this morning? I feel like I am looking at an abused wife who refuses to press charges against her husband – and I am looking in the mirror. Today marks the day I say “NO MORE MR. SNYDER - I AM NOT A PROSTITUTE! I HAVE A CONSCIENCE!” At least when a mortgage company forecloses on you, you can sell your home and pay the debt off. danny-boy will not allow you to sell your ticket contract to another party to pay off the debt. I have been a Redskins fan since 1972 – I was 9 years old. Growing up in NoVA I met a lot of Redskins over the years… Jack Pardee used to drive me to elementary school, Joe T lived down the street (Sherry was a great woman!), went to HS with Jurgensen’s kids…. In the 1980’s I was a bouncer at Manhattan’s and PJ Skidoos and met a lot of Redskins on a regular basis and a few became my friends – even introducing one to his future wife. My best friend’s family had season tickets and I went regularly including every single playoff game ever played in RFK. When I moved to London I stayed up late to watch the few games that were telecast over there. Now I am in Texas and used to buy Direct TVs Game Day… watching my team every time they played. For a long time I have shared my disdain with people for what little danny-boy has done to Mr. Cooke’s team. After this morning’s article about the team suing its fans, I CANNOT ETHICALLY JUSTIFY FEEDING THAT MAN’S POCKETS ANYMORE – AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE YOUR ETHICS ARE NOT FOR SALE! AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR and realize that you are supporting somebody whose ethics are exactly what you stand against – The Man beating down the little guy simply because he can. I BID GOODBYE TO MY BELOVED REDSKINS. I now know that not only is danny-boy an incredibly bad owner who screwed up one of sport’s greatest franchises, he is also an unethical, greedy man with an ego that is totally unjustified. LEADERSHIP STARTS AND STOPS AT THE TOP. I will return when a man of character leads this team. Teach your kids a life-lesson. Mean, greedy people should not reap their favor. Have them follow another team with an owner that is worthy of being called a leader.

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

T_E - Yeah, yeah, you did - I just keep forgetting - I'm double locking the doors at chez JohnD to be sure the Turk can't get in.

I rarely repost, but I'm really curious if I'm missing something.

I just read today's installment of the ticket saga, and regardless of what you think about the 'Skins actions: Why the heck are these people not going to court? Do they not understand the concept of a default judgement? At least show up and throw yourself on the mercy of the court. In Montgomery County, at least, I could see you getting you a sympathetic judge that might take a dim view of the team's actions.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey Barno1 - did you pay for your house in cash?

If not - STFU!!!!!

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I BID GOODBYE TO MY BELOVED REDSKINS.

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Leaving the Redskins because they wanted their contracts honored? What a pathetic joke of a fan you must have been.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"What I said was it is absurd that they sign the contracts if they might not be able to afford them years down the road."

I presume then, Barno, that either

A. Buy nothing using credit (and if so, good for you)

or

B. Have a crystal ball that allows you to see into the future whenever you engage in a business transaction that allows you to know if some form of personal downfall will occur and you act accordingly.


Either of those true?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Aldridge like 175 lbs.? And wasn't he hurt already for a majority of preseason?

That doesn't bode well for him. He looks like he has good athleticism, but you've got to be able to stay on the field. I'm not so sure with a guy that small who's already shown signs this early into his tenure that he has a difficult time staying healthy.

Give me Mason. He simply gets it done.

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

how do you get $$ from the post for this shti? Whar do I sign up? lmfao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Barno1 - did you pay for your house in cash?

If not - STFU!!!!!

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You're not really that stupid are you?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Aldridge like 175 lbs.? And wasn't he hurt already for a majority of preseason?

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM

He was 1 of 7, that's right 7, RB's on IR for the Broncos last year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Damn these new threads. From previous:

I take issue with the fact that the team does not give the tickets to customers who pay after being sued or having a judgment entered against them and does not credit judgments debtors when the team sells their tickets. They are unjustly enriching themselves with a double recovery. That is wrong no matter how you slice it.

Posted by: learnedhand1

It's not so simple as calling it "unjust enrichment". The Skins contract contains an acceleration clause (typical in most installment contracts), which permits the team to accelerate the full balance of the contract when there is a breach. When the team ends up going to court -- because, say, the deadbeat ticketholders ignored their collection letters -- they seek the full, accelerated balance. Those are the damages they are entitled to by contract and state law.

At the time they seek the judgment, they have no idea whether the tickets will be sold to a subsequent buyer or what the expenses will be to sell them. All they know is that they have the right to seek accelerated damages. It's the same thing a lender does if you default on your home loan. The team cannot wait and see whether they re-sell the tickets over the next 10 years on a long term contract. The statute of limitations on contracts is typically 3 years. (I'm not sure what state law applies. It's probably MD, but the contract could choose another venue such as VA.)

So, after obtaining judgment for the full amount, the team resells the tickets for, let's say, the same amount minus expenses. The money obtained for the resold tickets is credited against the full judgment, minus the team's administrative expenses (attorney's fees and costs, advertising and marketing, discounts, etc.) The same thing happens in a foreclosure situation. The foreclosure proceeds, which are typically less than the full balance of the loan, are applied against the outstanding debt. The creditor cannot collect twice. The team still has to use legal procedure to collect on the judgment, and during that process, it will have to credit proceeds received from resale against the judgment.

I have never been a season ticket holder, primarily for financial reasons. It's just a bad financial move. If I did sign a multi-year contract with the the Skins, I expect to honor it. I'm on the "buy Club Seats for less than face a week before the game" plan.

P.S. - I am not David Donovan.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Fantasy blogga scouting report:

scamp

"Our scouts are undecided here, mostly along idealogical lines. However everyone agrees that he is a consistent scorer with a high degree of football knowledge and well informed. He is a frequent poster so if your league scores for quantity he us a solid 3/4th rounder. Here is the rub however, he is hair trigger with the political who will take a relatively mild joke reference and start accusing anyone to the left of your average town hall kook as a mutant hybrid of Stalin, polpot, Harvey milk and Trotsky. Here at FBSR would like to see him maybe acknowlege that not everyone who has differing views should beheaded for treason. But we love passion here and he has that in red white blue burgundy and gold bussells.

Heel of Achielles: overreliance on homophobic insults.
Secret weapon: good comedy and music tastes proven by newsradio clips and knowledge of butthole surferes and GBV.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Leaving the Redskins because they wanted their contracts honored? What a pathetic joke of a fan you must have been.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Barno1 - there is what is legal and what is right. If a mortgage company has a ready and willing buyer for your home that you can no longer make payments on, they do not take you to court and sue you! They sell the house to the willing buyer.

I am comfortable with my eithics Barno1... I cry for anyone who gets taught life lessons by you... actually, this is bad business to...

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Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

LearnedHand - I agree with you, BUT 99.9% of everyone who has read this article or heard of it word of mouth, has the whole thing WRONG.

Everyone is flipping out about the Redskins suing fans, who have luxury suites. Not any offsets that may have gotten.......

That being said...I have not and don't care to read the paper. I have NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for anyone who thought they were rich enough they could purchase suites or club suites under a 10 year contract. Give me a F'ing break.

And for everyone to be all up in arms in is sooooo laughable.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Give me Mason. He simply gets it done.

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM


You didn't finish the sentence: "He simply gets it done"...in the preseason.

I've never seen so many people so thoroughly smitten with the 53rd man on the roster...or more appropriately the 54th guy who doesn't make the roster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

cL... absolutely hilarious...and just for the record, everybody is entitled to their opinion...even if it's wrong. Now OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey Barno1 - do you have credit? Because if you do, at some point in time you have signed a contract for future payments that you cannot guarantee. THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED CREDIT YOU BRAIN SURGEON!

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If a mortgage company has a ready and willing buyer for your home that you can no longer make payments on, they do not take you to court and sue you! They sell the house to the willing buyer.

Posted by: oldnova

Uh, no that's not how it works. The mortgage company forecloses on your interests in your home first. After they kick you out of your house, they credit the funds from a subsequent sale against any judgment amounts they have agains you. It's up to you, the homeowner, to find a buyer before the lender forecloses. Mortgage companies are not realtors.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

So back to the topic of KELLY,

here is my hope/predicton

1-Moss
2-Kelly
3-Thomas/Marko/ARE rotation

12-4, split with Cowgirls and Iggles, sweep the Gina's

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 3, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

KENBEATRIZZ -

"At the time they seek the judgment, they have no idea whether the tickets will be sold to a subsequent buyer or what the expenses will be to sell them. All they know is that they have the right to seek accelerated damages."

Not true - they have one of sport's longest waiting lists for season tickets.


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Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

A. Buy nothing using credit (and if so, good for you)

or

B. Have a crystal ball that allows you to see into the future whenever you engage in a business transaction that allows you to know if some form of personal downfall will occur and you act accordingly.


Either of those true?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

JohnD, usually we agree. But on this we are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum. There is nothing wrong with taking out a loan to pay for a house. More than 99.9% of home purchases are bought this way. The vast majority of them are done so by people who can afford to make the monthly payments. There is quite a big difference between this practice and signing a multi-year contract for multi-thousand dollar football tickets without being absolutely certain you will be able to afford them for the length of the term.

Yes the recession has hit many, many American very hard. It has obviously also hit businesses hard as well. But if everyone who's in worse financial shape now than they were a year ago was allowed to back out of all of their financial contracts, our entire financial system would collapse. You have to honor your debts.

And while I do disagree with the Redskins for re-selling the same tickets that they are collects debts on, and think that's really bad PR and not fair, etc...it IS in the contract. And if I'm signing a multi-year, multi-thousand dollar contract, I'm going to read the fine print.

Maybe it's just me.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Your jobs your credit.

Mason is averaging 3.48 yards in the preseason.

Who says these people can't sell their tix. They can list them on ebay or stubhub if they can't afford them and are locked in by a contract. It just takes a little bit of work. They may take some loss but its better than getting sued. Maybe they should receive a bail out too.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 3, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Whar do I sign up? lmfao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 3, 2009 10:15 AM

Dude, you're in tryouts right now for this season. Unfortunately, you play a position (Dik) where the roster is long. You're on the bubble at best and you may just be camp fodder. Good luck.

If you do get cut, you might get a call from the Eagles. They seem to have an unquenchable appetite for diks. They suck.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Uh, no that's not how it works. The mortgage company forecloses on your interests in your home first. After they kick you out of your house, they credit the funds from a subsequent sale against any judgment amounts they have agains you. It's up to you, the homeowner, to find a buyer before the lender forecloses. Mortgage companies are not realtors.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Uh, no you are wrong... I work in banking.... when we have a homeowner that we are about to foreclose on and they provide a willing buyer we stand aside... banks that go to court when a buyer is available enrich no one other than the lawyer AND harm their branding.

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Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Not true - they have one of sport's longest waiting lists for season tickets.

Posted by: oldnova

There's no waiting list for luxury seats --Club Level or suites. I can book them online right now. The so-called "waiting list" is for the cheap seats, preferably the $90 lower bowl seats.

If you're on the waiting list, you get calls, mail, etc. offering Club Level seats with an opportunity to move up the list. Most people take a pass on luxury seats due to cost.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Uh, no you are wrong... I work in banking.... when we have a homeowner that we are about to foreclose on and they provide a willing buyer we stand aside... banks that go to court when a buyer is available enrich no one other than the lawyer AND harm their branding.

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Posted by: oldnova


You prove my point. The HOMEOWNER finds the buyer, not the lender. The lender is not out there seeking buyers pre-foreclosure.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

There's no waiting list for luxury seats --Club Level or suites. I can book them online right now. The so-called "waiting list" is for the cheap seats, preferably the $90 lower bowl seats.

If you're on the waiting list, you get calls, mail, etc. offering Club Level seats with an opportunity to move up the list. Most people take a pass on luxury seats due to cost.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

WANNA BET! We gave up our luxury box because our firm could not justify the cost... when told of this we were asked by Redkin's ticket agents if we wanted to be put on the waiting list should our mind change in the future... all we had to do was cough up a "waiting List" deposit....


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Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Barno, I see your point, but I would like to presume that these people were rational actors, and made decisions that made sense based on their income history. I don't think it's fair to criticize them for making a poor decision, is all. The car salesmen comes to mind; he's made the same amount, year after year, and has no reason to expect otherwise.

All that being said, this is the reason I don't buy season tickets. Especially season tickets with a long term contract.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I buy everything with bonus points......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 3, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Barno,

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think you should look at the issue in such black and white terms. While I am sure there are definitely people who buy more than they can afford and don't think long-term financially, there are others who experience plain old bad luck.

During the economic downturn I know of several people who had good jobs and were let go -- not for anything they did or failed to do -- and it caused an enormous amount of pain and hardship for them. Anyway, I guess my point is this: without knowing each person's individual situation, it is probably best not to judge.

Just my opinion...

Posted by: mattylight | September 3, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey Greg - the web-site to redeem bonus points is offline. Got any ideas on what's wrong?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

WANNA BET! We gave up our luxury box because our firm could not justify the cost... when told of this we were asked by Redkin's ticket agents if we wanted to be put on the waiting list should our mind change in the future... all we had to do was cough up a "waiting List" deposit....

Posted by: oldnova

And you believe Redskins ticket agents?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Jeez I agree with the principal behind what you say but even I'm tired of reading the same ish you keep saying over and over again.


Yes personal responsibility is gone from the social agenda. Unfortunately it's true. Can we move on now?

P.S. I'm glad the Nats were nice enough to give a convicted felon ticket instead of At Risk Youths. Good call Nats.

Posted by: Gweez | September 3, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"You didn't finish the sentence: "He simply gets it done"...in the preseason."

Yea, and if he ever disappointed, in the preseason or in the regular season, you'd be hearing differently.

But he hasn't. Every time he's stepped out on the field, he's impressed. The only other player I can honestly say that about in the last 3 years with this team is Marko Mitchell.

But to hear the Mason bashers tell it, Marko Mitchell should probably be ditched in Jacksonville tonight as the rest of the team takes the flight home. I mean, you should never be thoroughly smitten with a guy that impresses in preseason.

Cut Mason and Mitchell. They've only been good in the preseason. They have no business making this roster.

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

You prove my point. The HOMEOWNER finds the buyer, not the lender. The lender is not out there seeking buyers pre-foreclosure.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The real point is that the home gets sold and the bank gets its money.

In this case the ticket holder is unable to sell his tickets to a third party. However the Redskins can sell their tickets to a third party.

It would be like the bank foreclosing, selling the home and keeping 100% of the proceeds with a long line of willing buyers for that home - and that ain't the way it works...

btw - banks routinely (off the record)notify real estate agents of possible foreclosures in hopes of finding a buyer so lawyers do not have to get involved...

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Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

OK...so the writer is on the Wise show now..coming back after the break...And he is further elaborating on the suing the fans deal.

He gave an example of this company owing the Redskins $171,000 because they defaulted. They had a lower in the proceedings who said the judgement had to be offset by any leasin of the space during their contract term, and the Redskins agreed. His judgement went from $171,000 to $70,000.

NOW, the ones who ignored the letters in the mail or didn't show up to the trail; the Redskins won the FULL judgement.

Makes sense? Yes indeedy. Even if you have a $15,000 judgment against you, why not pay a lwayer $1,000 - 2,000 to have the lawayer argue that the judgement be reduced by whatever leasebacks they earn? Or represent yourdself?

In conclusion...No News is No News....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

All that being said, this is the reason I don't buy season tickets. Especially season tickets with a long term contract.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. Same as me. Same as the thousands of other responsible ticket buyers who don't sign these contracts.

As for the story and the way this is being reporting, anyone can see that the Post has been holding onto these stories for months and months waiting to drop the PR bomb on the Redskins on the eve of the season opener. Presumably these cases were all public record and yet they are just reporting them now? The ticket situation from yesterday's story was resolved 7-8 months ago and again, it's just being reported now?

Readers should ask why.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Wish it could be Portis, Mason, Cartwright, and Alridge, myself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | September 3, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Second that, brother. Unfortunately, the team probably has too much money & time invested in Betts to cut him. Not to mention the talk earlier this offseason of him 'preparing like a starter' and giving him the 3rd Down Back role -- even though Portis is a much better 3rd down back (Football Outsiders).

But I too would like to see:
1. Portis (feature back)
2. Mason (primary backup, share series in first 3 QTRs)
3. Alridge (3rd down back, 4th QTR burner)
4. Rock (special teams)
5. Sellers (bulldozer)

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 3, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

This is a nice change of pace from the lack of football knowledge I usually see here...instead I'm getting the lack of contract law knowledge. It's good to see you people branching out!

Posted by: drfunknsoul | September 3, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I personally am not too upset about this whole story, maybe its my socialist upbringing or something. I think this has been a jerk move but I expect jerk moves by any corporation, I expect people to **** over each other for a buck.

Like they said in Futurama "I am an 80's guy, the fact that we are friends means that for $40 I will beat you over the head with a pool-cue until your retinas detach". I am more shocked that people are surprised that corporate greed= bankrupting 72 year old ladies.

The team is not there to be your friend, they are not the fireman or the police, they are not here to serve the interest of the community, maybe some teams act that way, but they have to turn a profit.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor is proof of intelligent life on this blog.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

cl--Love the blogga scouting reports. Clever, subtle, nuanced, insightful. Great work. Hat's off to ya. Hope someone is saving them on the wiki or on the facebook group.

Now, on scamp. How can you take points off for homophobic insults, then give him credit for knowledge of the butthole surfers?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Wow...PFT says there's a rumor floating around that the Giants could make a run at Brandon Marshall. I guess they just love their turd WRs there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins sue for the amount owed, then turn around and sell the tickets again, who gets the extra money? I think Snyder was hoping and planning this would happen to get paid twice for the same seat. Take up for him if you want to. Most of us hate the little twerp.

Posted by: larrypalma | September 3, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Barno1 - there is what is legal and what is right. If a mortgage company has a ready and willing buyer for your home that you can no longer make payments on, they do not take you to court and sue you! They sell the house to the willing buyer.

I am comfortable with my eithics Barno1... I cry for anyone who gets taught life lessons by you... actually, this is bad business to...

.

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:19 AM

Completely untrue about the mortgage companies. I know where you were going here, but mortgage companies routinely deny assumptions on loans. Also, they are under no obligations to bail a homeowner owner out. They like ever one else look at their bottom line to determine if it better to extend, forgive, or deny loan contracts. It's ALL business to them and the redskins front office. You may want to argue if it morally right, but ethically a business owner has the right to assume that their contracts will be honored.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And you believe Redskins ticket agents?


Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yes - they answer the phone and are agents of the Redskin ticket office. Who would you belive?

Apparently you believe them else you would not "know" what you claim to know about which seats are getting foreclosed on...

no offense but.... you seem like a young lawyer that finds ways to get people into a legal dispute rather than finding a solution that does not require billable hours... as someone who has been in business a long time I can tell you that the lawyer that gets most of my business is the one that undestands my business is banking and profits do not come from being litigious.

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

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I have started the RI Fantasy Review Wiki page. Your 1 stop shop for all RI fantasy reports. If I missed one please add it and if you have one throw it up there too.

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Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

There's lots of reasons why they are running this story now. First of all, it's not a "stop the presses" story. It isn't time sensitive, so they have time to work on it, get more quotes, etc. It's a back burner thing, one that a reporter might be working on over months, while he files several, more immediate stories.

That being said, it appears JLaC started working on the story, so it probably got dropped after he went to the NFL Network while they were figuring out who would do what. Once that happened, they picked it back up.

There isn't necessarily some nefarious attempt by the Post to make the Redskins look bad.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Ok...NEW NEWS...

The Writer whose PRIMARY NAME is on the paper, just said (I gotta STOP LAUGHING)...This article was started by Jason LaCanfora! Because he moved on from the Post, he handed this baton to the new writer dude! He complimented JLaC on his investigative journalism skills and said he should become a investigative journalist full time......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

cl--Love the blogga scouting reports. Clever, subtle, nuanced, insightful. Great work. Hat's off to ya. Hope someone is saving them on the wiki or on the facebook group.

Now, on scamp. How can you take points off for homophobic insults, then give him credit for knowledge of the butthole surfers?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 10:40 AM |

One step ahead of you there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey, JReid-- if we keep RBs, who makes it? Mason or Alridge?

Wish it could be Portis, Mason, Cartwright, and Alridge, myself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | September 3, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse
I don't think Betts is waived this year. I think Sins would have a $2mill cap hit. More likely Rock would be waived this year. So the lineup would be Portis, Betts for 3rd downs, Mason near goalline & to spell CP, ad Alridge for change-of-pace & punt returner.

I think it is a misnomer to call Rock a RB. He should only play ST's.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

no offense but.... you seem like a young lawyer that finds ways to get people into a legal dispute rather than finding a solution that does not require billable hours

Posted by: oldnova

No offense, but you seem like a retired government worker who never had to worry about his company making a profit in order to feed the family.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

NEW WIKI PAGE ALERT:

I have started the RI Fantasy Review Wiki page. Your 1 stop shop for all RI fantasy reports. If I missed one please add it and if you have one throw it up there too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:44 AM

Good. Now we can all go up there and edit that nasty stuff he said about us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

tsk tsk T_E!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

And you believe Redskins ticket agents?


Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:35 AM

Yes - they answer the phone and are agents of the Redskin ticket office. Who would you belive?

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:42 AM

When you sign the contract....That should have been the 1st thing you looked for.

Go ask LaVar!

Wow...Just Wow... On all you non-Contract reading people! I never read a whole contract, but I always, ALWAYS, look for specific stuff. Such as a $6 Million Doller Sigining Bonuses and Out clauses after 2 years of a 10yr locked in Club Seats Contract!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Completely untrue about the mortgage companies. I know where you were going here, but mortgage companies routinely deny assumptions on loans. Also, they are under no obligations to bail a homeowner owner out. They like ever one else look at their bottom line to determine if it better to extend, forgive, or deny loan contracts. It's ALL business to them and the redskins front office. You may want to argue if it morally right, but ethically a business owner has the right to assume that their contracts will be honored.

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I never spoke of a loan assumption... I said that a mortgage company will allow/encourage the homeowner to sell their home to avoide foreclosure proceedings.... cheaper than hiring a lwyer to go to court!


btw - I am live in a house that was purchase that exact way.... the bank was foreclosing (as was the IRS) and I stepped in and bought the home from the owner... at closing the bank and IRS got what they wanted and the owner got what was left...

In the case of tickets, the fans cannot sell "the asset" (tickets)... but the Redskins can and do...


at any rate... if I was worth over a BILLION dollars and had no trouble selling tickets, I would work on selling tickets and not work on suing fans... this is bad business and why I am hanging up my Redskins shoes until someone else owns the team...

Question.... everyone who thinks Mr. Cooke would have sued Redskin's fans raise your hand!

Because I can gurantee he would have simply called them a stupid/idiotic/foolish moron and moved on...

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

cL... absolutely hilarious...and just for the record, everybody is entitled to their opinion...even if it's wrong. Now OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse
Good stuff, cl and scamp

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

There isn't necessarily some nefarious attempt by the Post to make the Redskins look bad.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 10:44 AM

Not the Post....The original author...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I always, ALWAYS, look for specific stuff. Such as a $6 Million Doller Sigining Bonuses

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 10:52 AM

Has this worked for you? Have you ever found a $6 million signing bonus? If you say yes, I'm going to plow through a bunch of contracts that I signed too casually.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

cL... absolutely hilarious...and just for the record, everybody is entitled to their opinion...even if it's wrong. Now OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse
Good stuff, cl and scamp

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 10:53 AM

Thanks...uh, you're not a lefty too are you? If you are one of those panty waisted Hitler wannabe's then you ca go blow a truck stop tranny too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

(j/k of course, just trying to stay in character)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

No offense, but you seem like a retired government worker who never had to worry about his company making a profit in order to feed the family.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse


Yep - young lawyer....

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

NFL Coach interview template:

When asked about the team's performance in (enter win or loss here) yesterday vs (enter another team's name here) the coach said: "we did somethings right. we need to improve on some other things. Give credit to (enter other team's name here) they played their hearts out. Our players worked very hard all week in practice. It all comes down to us getting more points on the board than our opponents. It's all about the battle in the trenches. It just so happened that we (enter won or lost here). We are going to take it one game at a time and not dwell on this (enter win or loss here). Our focus right now is the upcoming game against (enter next week's opponent here) this Sunday.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 3, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse


NFL player interview template:

When asked about the pressure to perform well, (enter player name here) "I am not going to worry about all that stuff. I am going to take it one play at a time and do my best. It's all about practicing hard and trying to get better one play at a time"

When asked whether he is going to make the roster, (enter player name here) "It's all up to the coaches and the almighty Lord. It's all about us getting more points on the board than our opponents. Whoever wins the battle on the line of scrimmage. I am going to prepare as if I am going to play. If the coach calls my name, I am gonna be ready to contribute"

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 3, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Scamp
That RI Fantasy Review is a 10. Keep it up, give us a few new ones when you can, you have a talent!

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

byw - a lot of people here are making hay that the WP printed this now as opposed to printing it, let's say, in the Spring...

So when do ethics have a timetable?

Anyone's ethical reaction to this article should be the same be it printed in March or September.

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Scamp
That RI Fantasy Review is a 10. Keep it up, give us a few new ones when you can, you have a talent!

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:00 AM

I'm just the recorder, cL is responsible for the content, with a guest review by zjfr. Credit where it's due people. Anyone care to give one for the reviewer himself? cL is looking for some love.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"...Give me Mason. He simply gets it done..."

The thing about Mason is that I hear he's quite the builder.

And what he doesn't use gets put in a jar.

(INSERT bad pun groan to shouts of, "Put'em on the roster, ya morons!" and the image of Rodney "Bad Pun Moe" Dangerfield yanking his tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 3, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Wow...PFT says there's a rumor floating around that the Giants could make a run at Brandon Marshall. I guess they just love their turd WRs there...Posted by: brownwood26"

I've been waiting on this one. They drafted for the position, but apparently Nicks and Barden aren't ready. So they're back to Steve Smith and gang, none of whom are particularly tall. Eli, like Campbell, needs a tall receiver with great hands to bail him out of first down situations. If I remember correctly, the last TD pass he threw to a WR last season was to Toomer, against the Skins. That leaves four games at the end of the season where he didn't connect with a WR for a TD.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey Barno1 - did you pay for your house in cash?

If not - STFU!!!!!

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

WHAT A COMEBACK!!!!!! CLASSIC!!!!!

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 3, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

NFL Coach psychic thought reading:

We sucked man. Did you see that fumble by our primary receiver. WTF man. this guy gets paid 10 million dollars per season. The MF drops the ball like a hot potato on the goal line? Can you believe this $hi1? And the freagin QB, underthrows the wide open receiver in the end zone? You add that drop and the stupid fumble, that's 14 points man. And we lost by 1 point? Somebody has to beat the crap out of these tow bozo's. I cannot satnd this $hi!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 3, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Barno, and a few others on here fall into that category of people you can fool all the time.

Posted by: mack1 | September 3, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So when do ethics have a timetable?

Anyone's ethical reaction to this article should be the same be it printed in March or September.

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Can someone shout that to the Obama Administration when it comes to torture?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

NFL player psychic thought reading:

You know, it's bull&hi!, I have ben working my a&& off and the coach keeps playing that teacher pet (enter the other player's name here)
He has his head so up the coaches a&&, he has double vision. I mean I run much faster and catch much better. But you know what, it's all about who endears himself to the management. I am not going to suck a&& just to make this freaging team. Screw that

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 3, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Lots of you guys don't understand that the Premium seats in most cases cannot be sold because they are super expensive. 3 dream seats and purple parking $14,500. Who's going to pay that for the season???? Any takers??? I'll sell them for $10,000 right now. It's an impulse buy, I sort of regret buying these tickets 4 years ago, but will continue to pay my bills, and enjoy the experience of the games! Danny boy is a crook, but I love the Skins!

Keep Aldridge, he's cheap and will break a few for touchdowns this year for sure if he can get a few carries. The dude is fast. I saw some video clip earlier in camp where he was laying down, got up and won a race vs. some other Redskin unknown. Pretty impressive. You can't coach speed.

Posted by: meepres | September 3, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

My bad, I take back the credit for Scamp and heap all credit on the great Chris Larry.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | September 3, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I've been waiting on this one. They drafted for the position, but apparently Nicks and Barden aren't ready. So they're back to Steve Smith and gang, none of whom are particularly tall. Eli, like Campbell, needs a tall receiver with great hands to bail him out of first down situations. If I remember correctly, the last TD pass he threw to a WR last season was to Toomer, against the Skins. That leaves four games at the end of the season where he didn't connect with a WR for a TD.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I could see them going after Marshall to give Eli a big target. Minus his work with Plax, Eli's play isn't deserving of the contract he just signed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Barno, and a few others on here fall into that category of people you can fool all the time.

Posted by: mack1 | September 3, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

How was I fooled Mack?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, that's one point that's been kind of overlooked - these people bought some pretty expensive seats and signed a contract for them.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

couldn't any ticket plan holder just sell the tix "under the table" to a buyer that they found? there's no ID check for season tix holders at fed ex. maybe she'da took a loss but i'm sure u could unload skins season tix if u wanted to. sell'em to a friend, or a coupla games to a couple different friends. i dunno it seems like there are options.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

if you can't afford the tickets then don't sign the contract. the idea in this country (brought on by obama and the left wing nuts) is that bail-outs, free money, free health care, welfare, etc. should be the way of the land. its called capitalism. its called having some self-respect and a little bit of self-pride. if you sign a contract for tickets, for a house, for a car, pay what you owe! don't embarrass yourself and your family by walking away looking for a free ride

Posted by: mopp04 | September 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

(brought on by obama and the left wing nuts) is that bail-outs, free money, free health care, welfare, etc.
mopp04

Wow stupid! The bail out came before President Obama was in office. Welfare was way way before he became President.

Posted by: jm220 | September 3, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

mopp04 - that's just crap - no one's saying that these people did not out spend their means, but to jump from that to say that everyone thinks that they should get something for free is so overworked that it's become annoying.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 3, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Fantasy blogga scouting report:

scamp

"Our scouts are undecided here, mostly along idealogical lines. However everyone agrees that he is a consistent scorer with a high degree of football knowledge and well informed. He is a frequent poster so if your league scores for quantity he us a solid 3/4th rounder. Here is the rub however, he is hair trigger with the political who will take a relatively mild joke reference and start accusing anyone to the left of your average town hall kook as a mutant hybrid of Stalin, polpot, Harvey milk and Trotsky. Here at FBSR would like to see him maybe acknowlege that not everyone who has differing views should beheaded for treason. But we love passion here and he has that in red white blue burgundy and gold bussells.

Heel of Achielles: overreliance on homophobic insults.
Secret weapon: good comedy and music tastes proven by newsradio clips and knowledge of butthole surferes and GBV.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2009 10:19 AM

Sounds like about an 82 or so, yes?

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

if you can't afford the tickets then don't sign the contract. the idea in this country (brought on by obama and the left wing nuts) is that bail-outs, free money, free health care, welfare, etc. should be the way of the land. its called capitalism. its called having some self-respect and a little bit of self-pride. if you sign a contract for tickets, for a house, for a car, pay what you owe! don't embarrass yourself and your family by walking away looking for a free ride

Posted by: mopp04 | September 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I completely agree with this, however, reading the article, its kind of ridiculous that they don't get to keep the seats if they pay the juedgement and that if the team is able to re-sell the seats the proceeds of that sale doesn't reduce what the original person owes. If you work out a payment plan with the bank you keep your house, even if they foreclose and sell the house at auction whatever they get for the house reduces what you owe, the fact that the Skins are essentially foreclosing on the seats, reselling them and if they are able to resell them not reducing what the person owes by what they get for them is shady.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 3, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Lots of you guys don't understand that the Premium seats in most cases cannot be sold because they are super expensive. 3 dream seats and purple parking $14,500. Who's going to pay that for the season???? Any takers??? I'll sell them for $10,000 right now. It's an impulse buy, I sort of regret buying these tickets 4 years ago, but will continue to pay my bills, and enjoy the experience of the games! Danny boy is a crook, but I love the Skins!

Keep Aldridge, he's cheap and will break a few for touchdowns this year for sure if he can get a few carries. The dude is fast. I saw some video clip earlier in camp where he was laying down, got up and won a race vs. some other Redskin unknown. Pretty impressive. You can't coach speed.

Posted by: meepres | September 3, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You cannot legally sell the tickets or the contract to purchase them because the Redskins actually own the tickets... you just have a license to buy them...

Also - do you remember Trung Candidate? he was fast as greased lightening too...

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,
I think thats where it may be a crime on the teams behalf, I don't know the laws particularly. But to me it seems like if the team sues for breach of contract then you can counter sue for breach of contract and get the tickets after the fact cant you?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Yea, and if he ever disappointed, in the preseason or in the regular season, you'd be hearing differently.
But he hasn't. Every time he's stepped out on the field, he's impressed. The only other player I can honestly say that about in the last 3 years with this team is Marko Mitchell. But to hear the Mason bashers tell it, Marko Mitchell should probably be ditched in Jacksonville tonight as the rest of the team takes the flight home. I mean, you should never be thoroughly smitten with a guy that impresses in preseason.Posted by: psps23"

I'm trying to figure out what would cause someone to become 'smitten' with the guy. Not the numbers, surely. Looks like 25 attempts in the preseason, 3.5 per carry, long of 18 yards, 1 touchdown, 5 first downs (20%). The much disrespected Rock Cartwright got half as many carries, averaged 4.2 yards, long of 15 yards, 4 first downs (33%). Aldridge has only 9 carries, 5.4 per, a long of 15 and 3 first downs (also 33%).

Based on eyeballs, Marcus is a reasonably strong runner -- the sort who'd get picked up after a midseason injury to a backup RB. Is there something I'm not seeing?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

You cannot legally sell the tickets or the contract to purchase them because the Redskins actually own the tickets... you just have a license to buy them...

Also - do you remember Trung Candidate? he was fast as greased lightening too...

Who cares what you can legally do! If I can sell these bad boys , I will.

Posted by: meepres | September 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

if you can't afford the tickets then don't sign the contract. the idea in this country (brought on by obama and the left wing nuts) is that bail-outs, free money, free health care, welfare, etc. should be the way of the land. its called capitalism. its called having some self-respect and a little bit of self-pride. if you sign a contract for tickets, for a house, for a car, pay what you owe! don't embarrass yourself and your family by walking away looking for a free ride

Posted by: mopp04 | September 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse


People on both sides of the isle are guilty of this. There will always be people that want something for nothing. Could have left the political rant out of this post.

You could have said "People should be held responsible for the contracts they sign" and I would have agreed 100%.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

oldnova you still following the skins?

Posted by: TWISI | September 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

That whole article seems to have been written with the intent of making the Redskins FO look like a-holes. Unnecessary, in my opinion, because the Redskins FO doesn't need any help making themselves look like a-holes.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

How was I fooled Mack?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 11:15 AM

Here are your own words buddy:

"Well it's just extremely, extremely hard to believe that a man who is so incredibly generous and thoughtful, who clearly cares about people, would do something like that."

You come across as someone who's swallowed it and then some.

Posted by: mack1 | September 3, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

There's a consistent practice this team has followed during the Danny Years - they don't always keep the best talent on the team. Okay so all teams hit and miss when it comes to trades, drafting, signing free agents. Goes with the territory. But how many times can you ignore preseason/practice performance and not make the right move? Dannerato spends so much time on the sexy starter - the big name big money first teamer. But where this team falls short is second and third team talent - solid backups that can perform above and beyond from time-to-time and keep consistency. That's how the Steelers, the Patriots, the Giants, the Colts are all playoff teams year after year. It helps to have great coaching, a business plan/philosophy and this team really doesn't have one minus a good football man at the helm. As for Marcus Mason, I say keep him. He's shown that he has more burst, hits the line fast, gains positive yards, and he blocks better than any back on the current roster besides Sellers and Portis. Even George Allen had a philosophy called "The Future is Now". He had a great set of older mature proven veterans on the roster and was a consistent winner with it.

Posted by: BenThere | September 3, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I could see them going after Marshall to give Eli a big target. Minus his work with Plax, Eli's play isn't deserving of the contract he just signed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 11:13 AM


Even WITH Plax, Eli's play isn't deserving of the contract he just signed...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like about an 82 or so, yes?

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:22 AM |

If you wnna score 'em put 'em on the wiki:

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Fantasy+Reviews

ps: do I get extra credit for wiki additions? I have the last 3 pages.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

People on both sides of the isle are guilty of this. There will always be people that want something for nothing. Could have left the political rant out of this post.

You could have said "People should be held responsible for the contracts they sign" and I would have agreed 100%.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I agree 100%, I had to bite my tong and not blow up his 3rd grade level political rant.

I also agree that people should be held responsible for the contracts, but at the same time, any contract can be adjusted, and most are when circumstances change for one of the parties to do what is in the best interest of both sides. I don't think that happened.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like about an 82 or so, yes?

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:22 AM |

If you wnna score 'em put 'em on the wiki:

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Fantasy+Reviews

ps: do I get extra credit for wiki additions? I have the last 3 pages.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 11:32 AM

Would love to see them and score them, but alas, I'm blocked from viewing on my customer's network. I'll check it out tonight during the game.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

So how about Malcolm Kelly, good to hear he's healthy huh........I mean...not to change subjects or anything.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 3, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Based on eyeballs, Marcus is a reasonably strong runner -- the sort who'd get picked up after a midseason injury to a backup RB. Is there something I'm not seeing?


Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 11:25 AM


Yeah. Rock and Alridge aren't from the area. Not as warm and fuzzy a story.

Thank you for putting numbers to what my eyes have been telling me for 3 years now: Mason ain't all that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,
I think thats where it may be a crime on the teams behalf, I don't know the laws particularly. But to me it seems like if the team sues for breach of contract then you can counter sue for breach of contract and get the tickets after the fact cant you?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm no attorney but I sell businesses for a living so I review a ton of legal contracts and do business deals regularly. Its my general understanding that this scenario would be dictated by two things, the language in the contract saying what can happen in a default situation and the fact that the buyer breached the contract first. As long as the team is acting within the contractual language of what they state can happen in a default situation then no, they can't counter sue. But if their language was they can foreclose resell and they don't have to credit that to your bill that's pretty greedy....which is par for the course for Snyder.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 3, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

F this ticket issue. It's typical WaPo pandering to the angry mob. 4thFloor already made the point that the large judgments were against people who ignored collections and never showed up to court. If they had bothered to answer a letter or pick up the phone, they would have settled and never have gone to court in the first place.

Nova, I understand your point about settling, but if a ticketholder stiffs the team, ignores collection, doesn't show up to court after being served with process, they reap what they sow. They can argue for an offset when the team comes to collect post-judgment.

The Redskins are not a pro bono organization. The team was not created just to make you happy. The team is a business, its primary mission is to make money. The money it makes pays the bills, directly and indirectly, for thousands of local workers and small businesses. Think about it -- construction workers, concessionaires, ushers, trash collectors, advertisers, radio people, TV people, and such as...

It's not just about Dan Snyder sitting at his desk behind a stack of money and a pile of coke. The cashflow from season ticket proceeds pays the bills. If everyone could just walk away from those ticket obligations, the crap would just flow downhill from there.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

CORK EATS CROW

John Corcoran's shocking reassessment of Vinny Cerrato

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

So how about Malcolm Kelly, good to hear he's healthy huh........I mean...not to change subjects or anything.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 3, 2009 11:37 AM

VERY pleasant surprise so far. I guess this was the actual article we're commenting on, eh? he-he

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I am in 'I told you so' Mode about MK12 and the OLine.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 3, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Based on eyeballs, Marcus is a reasonably strong runner -- the sort who'd get picked up after a midseason injury to a backup RB. Is there something I'm not seeing?


Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse
What impressed me was in Pat's game, inside 5 yd line, MM lowered his head like a power runner and fought for yardage. In Pgh game, same situation, Betts turns t the side and is stuffed. 4th down, FG.

It's not about the numbers, it's about his vision and how he runs through the line.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Would love to see them and score them, but alas, I'm blocked from viewing on my customer's network. I'll check it out tonight during the game.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:36 AM |

It's high quality stuff but I believe I suffered in the rounds because of the inherent nature of the reviewer. All my positives outweighed the negative. cL didn't spend enough time or thought on 4th's or his own review so I would like to see an expansion here. There are some regulars here that have not been reviewed yet. Suggestions for reviews:
periculum
nateinthePDX
zjfr2
brownwood
alex35332
mack1
jm220
DikShuttle
psps23
TDawg1

There are many, many more. This is just a partial list. I, of course, realize that this is a daunting task so maybe cL could use some help.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

What impressed me was in Pat's game, inside 5 yd line, MM lowered his head like a power runner and fought for yardage. In Pgh game, same situation, Betts turns t the side and is stuffed. 4th down, FG.

It's not about the numbers, it's about his vision and how he runs through the line.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

As long as MM doesn't fumble at key moments, it is an upgrade over what Betts is bringing to the table.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

so let's count M. Mitchell as the 5th receiver, since Thrash was cut long ago.

Let's give Mason this one last chance to do somethign spectacular to make the team.

Let's commend Kelly and Thomas for showing a lot of improvement.

Let's root for the team, the players, and the coaches, not CRY about the owner.

Some rich corporate F is sueing some other rich corporate F, oh no, stop rooting for the players who play for the team that is owned by a rich corporate F.

old Nova if your looking for character you're going to need to travel to an alternate universe, so stop focusing on the owner and start rooting for the team that you love.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 3, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Final Questions to be ironed out tonight:

(1) Colt vs. Chase

Colt impressed a lot last preseason with his flashy performance, quality stats, and noticeable swagger on the field. This preseason, he's exemplified what a lot of his detractors have been claiming; that his penchant for forcing the big play will get him into trouble. Three games, three interceptions, and one TD later, he's fallen hard from the pedestal that his Cult placed him upon entering last season.

Chase Daniel, in his very limited work so far, has impressed. Nothing he has done has been overly complicated, but he seems to know his limits. Chase exhibited excellent mobility in and out of the pocket, has made good and safe plays, and has put the onus on his playmakers to be the guys carrying the offense (notably Marko Mitchell).

To me, it comes down to what type of QB this franchise wishes to groom. Colt likely has a better shot at becoming a starting QB sometime down the road (albeit still a very small shot...just better than Chase), while Chase you get the impression could be groomed to become a better quality reserve that can be relied upon to hold the fort for an injured starter (in the mold of Todd Collins). Brennan's potential is a little higher, but Chase is the guy you feel like you have a better idea of what you're getting.

In the end, the advantage will almost always go to potential. ADV: Colt

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It's not just about Dan Snyder sitting at his desk behind a stack of money and a pile of coke...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 11:39 AM


I think I speak for most of us here when I say that I'd have a much healthier respect for the man if I saw him snort a line of coke like Scarface...it would certainly provide a good explanation for the last 10 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I am still around. I read, but don't comment. Sadly, I used to be retired and now I'm back at work doing a day job, shepherding a couple of companies as my night jobs, and spinning up a non-profit to address the "unwed young mother" issue that has torn apart our cities for far too long.

Posted by: PDiddy | September 3, 2009 3:26 AM

Diddy, good for you for fighting the good fight towards less unwed young mothers. It's the number one domestic problem in this country in my opinion and has been for a couple decades. 7 out of 10 black children being born out of wedlock IS a problem. Half of Hispanic kids being born out of wedlock IS a problem. 2.5 out of 10 white kids being born out of wedlock IS a problem.

The Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy is a great non profit dedicated to this issue. What's the name of your group Diddy?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

(2) Mason vs. Aldridge vs. Dorsey vs. Cartwright

Several factors play into this battle. Experience, youth, athleticism, versatility, health, etc. Cartwright likely won't win over any hearts, as he's proven what he is and is not for this team over the years. His hope is for the rest of the candidates to under-impress.

Mason provides the most consistent runner out of the group. Shows great vision and burst, hits the hole with reckless abandon, and reads his blocks very well. Easily the best between-the-tackle runner of the group. He has the potential to be a major contributor on the ground, if given the chance. His faults lie in ST play and pass-protection, which are no small matters. His best shot at making the team is if the team deems it can replace Cartwight's production on ST elsewhere on the roster.

Aldridge and Dorsey seem to be one in the same. Both are small, quick backs with the potential to be very dangerous in the open field. Aldridge seems quicker and faster than Dorsey, while Dorsey seems better equipped to handle the rigors of an NFL season. If the team is truly looking for a change-of-pace back, these two are their best options. Aldridge and Dorsey will significantly improve their chances by breaking a big play at some point tonight, and show that they can add something that isn't currently on the roster.

Coaches generally favor what they know over what they don't, and for this reason Cartwright and Mason seem to be ahead at this point. Cartwright has been with this team seemingly forever, and Mason has consistently impressed over multiple preseasons with this squad. Dorsey has been solid if unspectacular, which isn't good for the role the team wishes him to play, and Aldridge simply hasn't had enough time to show his worth (though he did impress with his little time against the Pats). PUSH: Cartwright vs Mason, with Aldridge close behind.

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Lowlife Peter King predicts Redskins to go 6-10 in 2009!!

Peter, I am not going to wish terminal cancer on you, but I do hope that you become homeless and live on the streets soon you piece of crap

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 3, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

There are many, many more. This is just a partial list. I, of course, realize that this is a daunting task so maybe cL could use some help.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 11:46 AM

Yeah, you don't put out that kinda quality in a hurry. This could take some time. I haven't been around long enough to be much help, but I'm sure as f*** enjoying them.

cl: no pressure, but still waiting for my change-of-pace, scat-blogga suggestion.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Cancel your subscriptions to the Washington Post. That's first and foremost. Theire slant never ends. The venom that drips from their ink each time they pen a hit-piece, it's sickening. They decided a while ago to drop these non stories and create pseudo controversies the week before the season starts...and readers should ask why. Why has this paper has been unfairly attacking Dan Snyder and the Redskins for years?

POSTED BY: WACKO BARNO

Well this IS the paper that unfairly ran Dick Nixon out of town. They should shut up and learn their lesson and drain the venom out of their poisonous ink! Where are the puff pieces! Where is the love?

I for one will re-subscribe when see more war is good, big is better, Dan is God, all is well, what was so bad about Bush? stuff in their pages, which of course I won't because I took Barno's advice and cancelled my subscription. Or would have if I lived in DC.

Why? Because I always follow the advice of hysterical fanatics with an ax to grind.

Thanks for the laugh. Newspapers LOVE it when wild and crazy guys threaten to cancel subscriptions when they feel their ox is gored.

But you know, Barno, your silly email is causing LOTS of people to write in to RI, increasing their "hit" count, bringing in more money and profit for them.

So, may I suggest you not only cancel YOUR subscription to the Post, but cease and desist posting here. THAT will teach 'em a lesson they won't soon forget!!!

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Scamp I just did a review of CL and put it in there.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

What are you reviewing??? Just started following this chat.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 3, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

What impressed me was in Pat's game, inside 5 yd line, MM lowered his head like a power runner and fought for yardage. In Pgh game, same situation, Betts turns t the side and is stuffed. 4th down, FG.

It's not about the numbers, it's about his vision and how he runs through the line.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

As long as MM doesn't fumble at key moments, it is an upgrade over what Betts is bringing to the table.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

why are people so impressed with a 1 yd TD run. For 1 thing, in the reg season, that's Portis' TD. Portis as scored aabout as many TD's in his first 7 years as anyone in the history of the NFL. Also, Betts was running against the Steelers much better D, and hopefully that would have been Portis in the reg season.

Taking out Portis on 3rd downs and goalline situations is a horrible idea.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 3, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I think I speak for most of us here when I say that I'd have a much healthier respect for the man if I saw him snort a line of coke like Scarface...it would certainly provide a good explanation for the last 10 years.

Posted by: brownwood26

I would have loved to see him introduce Haynesworth by saying, "Say hello to MY LEETLE FRIEND!"

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

LEADERSHIP STARTS AND STOPS AT THE TOP. I will return when a man of character leads this team. Teach your kids a life-lesson. Mean, greedy people should not reap their favor. Have them follow another team with an owner that is worthy of being called a leader.

Posted by: oldnova |

Post of the day, post of the week, post of the year.

I salute you, oldnova.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Bean - I am in 'I told you so' Mode about MK12 and the OLine....."

4th agreed, personally I'm excited about MK, and DT, I think/hope they make big strides this year. JC and MK need to work on that fade pattern in the end zone however...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 3, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

What are you reviewing??? Just started following this chat.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 3, 2009 11:54 AM

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Fantasy+Reviews

and nice one alex

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

(Preface: I generally do pithy {hence the original "nots"} as opposed to long windery)


Fantasy blogga scouting report:

chRIs laRrY

"A clear cut first round pick, cL remains in the prime of his blogging career. Whether your league scores for quality or quantity, or a mix of both, cL is as dependable as they come. He is a combo of football knowledge, culture, music, food and drink. Ah yes, bacon-wrapped-beer rulz, tofu-veggie-wraps drool. Never one to shy away from a scrap, he'll take you on with a hearty, in your face, "F you," or "that's straight tard." NuaNCe is NOT his middle name.


Heel of Achilles: SnaRk IS his middle name.
Secret weapon: Ability to 'mad' argue with you, but make you still want to have a beer with him afterwards.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 3, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Brian!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 3, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

What are you reviewing??? Just started following this chat.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 3, 2009 11:54 AM

cl took this question:

Wonder if the players have a fantasy bloggers league?

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 2, 2009 10:19 AM

and ran with it, making some great scouting reports.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 3, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

chRIs laRrY

"A clear cut first round pick, cL remains in the prime of his blogging career. Whether your league scores for quality or quantity, or a mix of both, cL is as dependable as they come. He is a combo of football knowledge, culture, music, food and drink. Ah yes, bacon-wrapped-beer rulz, tofu-veggie-wraps drool. Never one to shy away from a scrap, he'll take you on with a hearty, in your face, "F you," or "that's straight tard." NuaNCe is NOT his middle name.


Heel of Achilles: SnaRk IS his middle name.
Secret weapon: Ability to 'mad' argue with you, but make you still want to have a beer with him afterwards.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 3, 2009 12:00 PM

Added to the wiki 4-12, thanks for the contribution. Now who wants to tackle Cork's?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy scouting report.

zjfr2:

Takes a pessimistic view of the team in most situations. A classic skeptic who while hoping for the best generally expects the worst from the Skins and has been too many times proven correct. Has a solid knowledge of the NFL as well as football in general and usually has logical opinions and analysis.
Achilles Heel: Jaded by the Redskins decade of ineptitude too often takes a negative view and has trouble finding hope in the decision makers in Ashburn. Also very easily riled up by BeantownGreg1 who is the hopeful ying to this poster's negative yang.
Secret Weapon: As the years, losses, bad decisions, and mediocrity mount up the evidence supporting this poster's critical view of the organization grows and grows. Sadly his opinion that the Redskins will never be anything above mediocre until Snyder legitimately turns over all football control to a capable football mind or sells the team may in fact be correct.


My self analysis....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 3, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

KenBeatriz I understand all of what you wrote in response to me. Did you read the article? They are re-selling the tickets or collecting on the judgment and are either not crediting it to the judgment debtors or giving them the tickets, respectively. The team has a duty to mitigate its damages. Donovan even said that if the gentleman paid he should have received his tickets. Also, in one case, the team allegedly committed fraud by checking a box on a contract after it had been signed.

In the case 4th cited, the 'Skins were still a bad actor. The team sought the full amount on the k even though they had already re-sold the business's tickets. It should not have come to the business having to pay a lawyer to defend itself against a claim for an amount to which the 'Skins knew they weren't entitled.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 3, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

dan synder = les grossman??


Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 3, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

why are people so impressed with a 1 yd TD run. For 1 thing, in the reg season, that's Portis' TD. Portis as scored aabout as many TD's in his first 7 years as anyone in the history of the NFL. Also, Betts was running against the Steelers much better D, and hopefully that would have been Portis in the reg season.

Taking out Portis on 3rd downs and goalline situations is a horrible idea.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 3, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Not as much about being impressed with Marcus Mason as it is about losing trust in Betts.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

CORK EATS CROW

John Corcoran's shocking reassessment of Vinny Cerrato

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 11:41 AM

First of all, great use of the word, "ensconced".

Second, how about we see what 2009 has to offer before eating crow or crowning Vinny?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder = Les Nessman?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 3, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Duly noted zjfr2

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 3, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

What I said was it is absurd that they sign the contracts if they might not be able to afford them years down the road.

Posted by: Barno1

Let me interpret what Barno really means. He means only psychics should sign contracts. If you cannot predict your economic future don't sign. I won't claim, but his comment implies that also goes for mortgages, car loans, student loans, and Michael Jackson, who signed a contract to perform 50 concerts and then violated it by having the audacity to die.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

As the years, losses, bad decisions, and mediocrity mount up the evidence supporting this poster's critical view of the organization grows and grows. Sadly his opinion that the Redskins will never be anything above mediocre until Snyder legitimately turns over all football control to a capable football mind or sells the team may in fact be correct.


I couldn't agree with that statement any more!!!!!!!!! Little Vinny has to go...but as long as he's a good golfing buddy. He'll be Danny's mouth piece.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 3, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

CORK EATS CROW

John Corcoran's shocking reassessment of Vinny Cerrato

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Well done, Corky. Yes, I've been slowly drawing this same conclusion. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel, or is it...

On an editing note, in the paragraph about Rinehart, you need to add "have" to OL "may more depth".

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 3, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

LEADERSHIP STARTS AND STOPS AT THE TOP. I will return when a man of character leads this team. Teach your kids a life-lesson. Mean, greedy people should not reap their favor. Have them follow another team with an owner that is worthy of being called a leader.

Posted by: oldnova |

Post of the day, post of the week, post of the year.

I salute you, oldnova.

Posted by: TheCork

And I bid you adieu oldnova. Perhaps you will enjoy rooting for the following teams(owners): Cowboys (Jerry Jones), Raiders (Al Davis), Cardinals (Bidwells), Cincinnati Bengals (Browns), Lions (Fords). True fans do not follow their team because of the owner. The Skins are my team, and Dan Snyder can't take them away from me...unless he's got a Mayflower truck.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 3, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Dude alex first posting should be on here. And yes FBSR needs multiple reviewers!

Scott DIk Shuttle is our suggestion for scat back. Review coming soon.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Can I say right now I would like to see us keep self analysis to a minimum.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

(3) Jackson vs. Wynn vs. Montgomery

This has become an intriguing and undervalued battle of camp. With Haynesworth, Griffin, Golston, Carter, Daniels, Alexander, Orakpo, Wilson, and Jarmon all undeniably making the team and seeing reps on the defensive line, there doesn't seem to be enough room to carry all 3 of the guys listed above. Montgomery was thought to be a roster lock, but reports of him coming to camp out of shape, unmotivated, and a little peeved at his demotion down the depth chart have certainly hurt his stock. His talent and potential outweighs that of the other two, but he's got to put it together in order to realize that potential...and the team knows it. So far, that isn't happening. Montgomery becomes expendable due to the versatility of Daniels and Alexander, both of whom can shift to the interior of the line.

Wynn was also thought of to be a lock, given the question mark surrounding Daniels' return from surgery and the implied thought that Jarmon wouldn't contribute, but both of those conditions have been adjusted with pleasant surprises. Both look better than previously advertised, and as a result, the need for reliance on an aging marginal player has diminished. I can't be sure, but I recollect that his number of snaps played with the first team defense decreased through each preseason game. This can't be a good sign for Wynn.

Jackson, originally thought to have his work severely cut out for him, given the drafting of Orakpo and Jarmon and the signing of Daniels and Wynn, has shown his presence this preseason on ST and the second team defense. He hasn't been flashy, but he always seems to be around the ball. The coaching staff really seem to be using him in a lot of different packages outside of the first team. His youth and friendly contract gives him a clear boost in the eyes of the coaches and management as well.

In this case, given the surprisingly good play this early on from unexpected sources like Daniels and Jarmon, you get the impression the team would rather lean on potential here. If Wynn isn't going to be seeing the field much with a healthy squad, he won't be making this roster. Wynn may end up being the guy they call midseason if a starter goes down. In a slight surprise, ADV: Montgomery and Jackson.

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will always be my team as well. Snyder will NEVER take them away from me. However, I won't be spending any of my coin them. I go to games when I'm given free tickets.

Snyder can't take the team away from any of us...but he can doom them to a lifetime of 7-9, 8-8, and 9-7 at best.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 3, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

As long as MM doesn't fumble at key moments, it is an upgrade over what Betts is bringing to the table.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 3, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse
That's a good point. I seem to recall MM might have fumbled once last preseason, but I don't think he' lost any this year. That's something that coaches would accumulate during practices that we wouldn't see.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 3, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: alex35332 | September 3, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Dan & Co. have "agents" posting to support their boss...I am also going to say goodbye to my beloved Skins 'till new ownership arrives. Dan--JUST SELL THE DAMN TEAM--NOW...No more ticket sales, no more Dan's team, ...Let's make it Fan's team and stop supporting anything Dan is involved in....

Posted by: chakboy | September 3, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It's time to shake up that backfield and infuse some youth. Keep Portis, Cartwright, Sellers, Mason, and Alridge. Sorry Betts, you're a decent back, but you're talent level doesn't make you indispensable. Mason can do everything you can, his blocking is coming around, and he's a helluva lot cheaper. Trade Betts to the Browns,Bengals, Lions or Seahawks for a fourth round pick. He can start for any one of those teams.

Posted by: jdwilliams | September 3, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

POSTED BY: WACKO BARNO

Well this IS the paper that unfairly ran Dick Nixon out of town. They should shut up and learn their lesson and drain the venom out of their poisonous ink! Where are the puff pieces! Where is the love?

I for one will re-subscribe when see more war is good, big is better, Dan is God, all is well, what was so bad about Bush? stuff in their pages, which of course I won't because I took Barno's advice and cancelled my subscription. Or would have if I lived in DC.

Why? Because I always follow the advice of hysterical fanatics with an ax to grind.

Thanks for the laugh. Newspapers LOVE it when wild and crazy guys threaten to cancel subscriptions when they feel their ox is gored.

But you know, Barno, your silly email is causing LOTS of people to write in to RI, increasing their "hit" count, bringing in more money and profit for them.

So, may I suggest you not only cancel YOUR subscription to the Post, but cease and desist posting here. THAT will teach 'em a lesson they won't soon forget!!!

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Listen geek, I'm not the one who thinks a post in a comment section is an "email." It's clear I'm arguing with someone with the IQ of a toaster, but no I do not think anyone will actually cancel their subscriptions because of this. And did I ask for puff pieces? Um, no.

It's easy to knock down an argument that I did not make. No, I am not asking for puff pieces, but I am asking for the Post to end their years long war with the Redskins front office. It has gone on for far too long, it's petty, unprofessional, and isn't good journalism. And there are writers and other employees at this very paper that recognize it and are sick and tired of it as well. Not to mention a lot of readers.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I personally don't care if our owner is a man of character. I'd rather he just help us win.

Since the DMV is a bit of a drive from Atlanta, the only ticket I paid for is the Sunday Ticket & it gives me a great view of the game. I'd also add that we haven't won a Super Bowl in a very long time yet are the second most valuable franchise and have the highest revenue. So my question is how can a franchise that has sadly defined mediocrity for so long still be so financially successful? Why are other teams who consistently win more than us not better off financially? Do we just have more fans who buy stuff & go to games?

Posted by: will_ga | September 3, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If you think the Post has acted professionally and objectively over the years since Snyder took over the team, you either don't read the paper much or you're simply out of your mind.

From the article I posted earlier:

Every sports franchise believes the hometown paper should be a bit of a cheerleader; every newspaper believes its job is to provide balanced coverage. But to say the Post and Snyder are at loggerheads is an understatement.

The Redskins embraced longtime Post reporter Mark Maske, who had covered the team for years, worked hard to develop sources in the organization, and played racquetball with Snyder. Relations soured when the Post assigned Nunyo Demasio to the beat. A pro-basketball reporter from the Seattle paper, Demasio developed sources among players, agents, and coaches who didn’t sing the Redskins tune. Stories about contract disputes and disaffected athletes started to appear in the sports pages.

When one of Snyder’s nannies sued the couple over a wage dispute, the Post gossip columnists found it delicious. “Evil,” he says.

A Post profile of Tanya Snyder dubbed her “the babe in the box,” as in owner’s box.

Then there was “treegate.”

Snyder wanted to clear trees from the hillside below his Potomac mansion that spilled down to the Potomac River and the C&O Canal, which is controlled by the National Park Service. Snyder’s lawyers negotiated for three years with NPS officials.

The talks resulted in a signed approval to cut the trees, and Park Service officials supervised the clearing. But when neighbors objected, the Post wrote stories casting Snyder as a cavalier landowner.

In fact, a 19-page report by the Department of the Interior inspector general said the Park Service “granted permission to Mr. Snyder to cut down native trees in 2004” and that “NPS failed to follow any of its established policies and procedures.”

Readers came away with the sense that Snyder had raped the forest.

to be continued...

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Barno1-years ago no one dared say anything abd about the Skins organization for fear they wouldn't be allowed close to the team. Now its one attack after another. A nice balance would be nice.

And I like toast in the mornings.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 3, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

More from the article:

In similar fashion, when the Redskins added some seats to FedEx Field that were partially obstructed by pillars, the team invited reporters and fans to sample the seats. Neither the Post nor the fans objected. The Redskins advertised the seats as they were. When “several” disgruntled fans protested to the Post, the paper covered it as another affront by a greedy owner.

The skirmish turned ugly in March 2005, when the team announced that it would not renew 279 general-admission season tickets the Post had owned since the 1950s. Redskins officials said Post employees were scalping the tickets, which can go for $4,000 each for prime Dallas Cowboys games. Swanson says police seized a parking pass belonging to Don Graham from a stadium scalper. Graham apologized in a handwritten note.

The Post claimed the seats were rewards for “newspaper-delivery people—and their families” who paid for the tickets themselves.

In the war of words, the Post drove home the image of an owner who didn’t care about nannies or trees or fans. Snyder’s side rarely got ou

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder = Les Nessman?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 3, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse


Les (Nessman) is the ludicrously incompetent news director of WKRP and has been with the station since 1954. Knowing next to nothing about sports, he makes several glaring errors, for example mispronouncing golfer Chi Chi Rodriguez's name as "Chy Chy Rod-ri-gweeze" and calling a swimming event "breast stroking."

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 3, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I hate stupid Fans!
That said aldridge i would keep that guy.
Outside of Portis, the rest are optional.
Why would you let a regular Joe sign a ten year contract?
The NFL did not see that as a problem waiting to happen?
NFL SUCKS!
IT'S BECOMING A FLAG BALL LEAGUE!
IT'S NOT THE LEAGUE I GREW UP WITH (ROZELL,BENNETT AND THE SQUIRE).
IT'S A JOKE! I FIND MYSELF TURNING THE CHANNELS THESE DAYS NOT THE SAME GAME.
SAME LEAGUE PENALIZE VICK FOR THE DOG ISSUE BUT DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE "REDSKINS" NAME? OH IT'S NOT AN ANIMAL MAYBE THAT'S YOUR OPINION BUT I PERFER HUMANS ANIMALS.

Posted by: shamken | September 3, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Not as much about being impressed with Marcus Mason as it is about losing trust in Betts.Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8"

That's the sense I get from reading these posts. It's not really that anyone thinks we have a replacement who represents an upgrade.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"John Corcoran's shocking reassessment of Vinny Cerrato..."Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009

I thought Corcoran was ridiculously premature in his initial assessment, and he's repeated the mistake.

Oh well, if something isn't working, for God's sake don't fix it...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"Takes a pessimistic view of the team in most situations. A classic skeptic who while hoping for the best generally expects the worst from the Skins and has been too many times proven correct"

A skeptic is someone who doubts, questions or disagrees with accepted beliefs or assertions. You would be a pessimist, I think. As far as the Skins, I think.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Tecnically , each ticket is single contract and I have never known Skins to breach yet. As long as they show up in home unis, even if they play bad, it is fait accompli for us Redskins faithful.

That said, they have to keep Steeler fan out of fed ex...

Posted by: ElYeah | September 3, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barno1 - did you pay for your house in cash?

If not - STFU!!!!!

Posted by: oldnova | September 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You're not really that stupid are you?

Posted by: Barno1


No, he isn't stupid. In fact he's quite eloquent. He asked a question. It's what journalists do.

Let me rephrase hs question. Did you sign a 30-year mortgage on your home? And if you did, how were you sure you would be financially solvent for the next 30 years to make your payments?

Again let me remind you that every time you post here, you help put money in the pockets of the Washington Post, the paper you want everyone to cancel subscriptions to.

To paraphrase the old chestnut, the WaPo can believe: "with enemies like you, who needs friends?"

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"It's not about the numbers, it's about his vision and how he runs through the line.Posted by: frediefritz"

An eyeball thing, then. You think Betts doesn't run hard. Fair enough. Entirely subjective, but then, that's fair, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

As to usage: I have a very flexible French English dictionary and am not afraid to, ladies, let the french drip off my tongue...

Posted by: ElYeah | September 3, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Readers should ask why.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how this is a shock. WP released it now when with a high amount of attention/interest is on the team, therefore driving up sales. Not because they want to stick it to the redskins and DB (danny boy aka DB) but because of money. If they published this in February it wouldn't get close the amount of attention it is getting currently.

Also, earlier you said the WP likes to stick it to all of the local sports teams. that couldn't be more wrong. WP has a VERY good relationship with the Caps and their owner Ted. And definitely do not have a bad relationship with the Wizards, although not as close with the Wiz.

Just because someone writes an article that puts you in a bad light doesn't mean they hate you, it could just mean that you weren't doing the right thing...

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 3, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"As long as MM doesn't fumble at key moments, it is an upgrade over what Betts is bringing to the table.Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8"

Hope you guys aren't tired of me repeating this, but Ladell ain't a fumbler. He's fumbled once a season for the past two years. Not much room for improvement.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 3, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think it is funny as hell that Barno is anti-Washington Post, but he spews his anti junk at the Washington Post. Laughable he is.

Posted by: mbuterba | September 3, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think it is funny as hell that Barno is anti-Washington Post, but he spews his anti junk at the Washington Post.

Posted by: mbuterba | September 3, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

That made absolutely zero sense

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Also, earlier you said the WP likes to stick it to all of the local sports teams. that couldn't be more wrong. WP has a VERY good relationship with the Caps and their owner Ted. And definitely do not have a bad relationship with the Wizards, although not as close with the Wiz.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 3, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about guy? I never said anything like this. In fact, I have said many times the exact opposite, that the Post treats the Redskins much worse than they do all the other professional sports franchises in this area.

Is it really that hard for people on here to debate someone without completely distorting their positions?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Has it been announced who will play first, Colt Brennan or Chase Daniel?

I think that both should be given a shot with the same O-Line/Skill positions players, as opposed to one playing with 2nd team and the other playing with 3rd team.

My opinion, if we see Daniel only with 3rd/4th team, the decision has already been made.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Let me rephrase hs question. Did you sign a 30-year mortgage on your home? And if you did, how were you sure you would be financially solvent for the next 30 years to make your payments?

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I am sure because if I lost my job I would do whatever it took to find another one and be able to pay my bills. And if I couldn't, then I would sell my house.

Apples and oranges my friend.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"You didn't finish the sentence: "He simply gets it done"...in the preseason."

Yea, and if he ever disappointed, in the preseason or in the regular season, you'd be hearing differently.

But he hasn't. Every time he's stepped out on the field, he's impressed. The only other player I can honestly say that about in the last 3 years with this team is Marko Mitchell.

But to hear the Mason bashers tell it, Marko Mitchell should probably be ditched in Jacksonville tonight as the rest of the team takes the flight home. I mean, you should never be thoroughly smitten with a guy that impresses in preseason.

Cut Mason and Mitchell. They've only been good in the preseason. They have no business making this roster.

Posted by: psps23 | September 3, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse
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Hey psps23 I'm not understanding you here. Sure they impress during the preseason, but its the only opportunity to play. I mean, truth be told that's how any rookie can make a squad right? Now if you're saying Mason doesn't cut it because he's been bounced around the league, never cracking the starting line-up I see where you're going.

However, I believe Mason has had bad luck, landing on teams where they've been pretty deep with RBs and he's been a numbers game casualty.

I guess the jury is still out on Mitchell. But in both players defense, even though it was preseason, both have played well against the opposition's regular season starters.

Posted by: clark202 | September 3, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

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