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Kelly Will Get His Chance on Thursday

After warm-ups, Coach Jim Zorn decided to hold out Malcolm Kelly from the instrasquad scrimmage. With the Redskins scheduled to play the Ravens on Thursday, Zorn exercised caution with Kelly, who underwent microfracture knee surgery in the offseason and is competing with Devin Thomas to be the starting Z receiver, or flanker.

"Just kind of made a decision not to have me out there today, but I'll be ready" Thursday night, Kelly said. "That's what I've been waiting for."


By Jason Reid  |  August 8, 2009; 7:40 PM ET
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First to vote One Man Gang for Offense!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 8, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the calls for Alexander to switch to O line, I love Alexander's spirit, but at 6-1 275, I don't think he's big enough to play O-line. And it seems a long shot to "coach 'em up" in time.

Why don't we just go get real O-linemen instead? Levi Jones, Runyon, Pete Kendall. These guys weren't signed in the off season because they each have an issue (mostly age), so teams wanted to see what they had first before considering them, or if a major injury came their way.

Well, it's getting to be about that time...

I don't see any great reason to wait any longer on 3 undrafted free agents from the local college, some guy we signed off Denny's buffet line and another guy with "confidence problems."

Posted by: edvar | August 8, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I'll rephrase for you edvar... Lorenzo has played o line for this team in the past and has done an adequate job.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 8, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to scream that the sky is falling, but it ain't exactly all peaches and cream in the trenches. We absolutely need to start looking at who is available, for depth if no other reason. Every starter except for Dockerey has shown serious reason for concern already...and we're in FRIGGIN AUGUST. Thomas with knee pains, Samuels getting his drained...after 10 days of training camp?? This is not good.

I say bring in Runyan, Kendall and one more. If these knee issues are mucho ado about nothing (or very little), then we can always release them. Right now it appears that we are in need of some options.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 8, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I say bring in Runyan, Kendall and one more. If these knee issues are mucho ado about nothing (or very little), then we can always release them. Right now it appears that we are in need of some options.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 8, 2009 8:26 PM

I say forget Runyan and Kendall. 32 teams passed on them. What we want is some of the guys that the other 32 teams have in camp right now. We can either trade for them today or we can pick them up as the rosters are cut.

Either way, this really sucks. Offense is going to be nothing again this year. Another rebuilding year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 8, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

TE, aka Chicken Little, simmer down pal. All is not lost, far from it. We don't need the offense to be great. With an improved D that was already nasty, and 2nd yr in Zorn's offense, I still think we'll be fine. BUt this situation clearly needs to be addressed ASAP. My biggest concern is Cerrato saying that they weren't actively pursuing other options at O-line...I can only hope that's gamesmanship/disinformation but this is Vinny we're talkin about...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 8, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

LA can play some O guard, and we need him more at that position than we need him on D.

Re: LaCanfora Boulevard. Got a chance to watch J La on NFL Network today doing a canned list of his top 20 HOF picks. He was wearing a money pink tie and a face for radio. Watching him stumble through his segment, I can't help but think that Snyderatto secretly got him that gig to blunt his use of unnamed sources.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 8, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

BUt this situation clearly needs to be addressed ASAP.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 8, 2009 8:56 PM

No, this is where we disagree. Addressing it ASAP brings in guys who can't play anymore -- Runyon and Kendall. They're more banged up than the ones we've got. I'm for waiting to see who gets cut as teams solidify their rosters.

Vinnie took a big risk -- that he didn't need to draft anyone until next year -- and he lost. I agree the offense doesn't need to be "great" but it does need to put up more points than it did last year, and I don't see how that can happen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 8, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I have read that the Panthers have a shortage of defensive linemen, but have plenty on the o-side. Are they a trade possibility since we may have an extra defensive tackle...?

Posted by: mmck | August 8, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Are they a trade possibility since we may have an extra defensive tackle...?

Posted by: mmck | August 8, 2009 9:19 PM

Yes. We already got Bridges from them. Vinny has probably had a call or two from/to them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 8, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

This FO ignorance of ignoring the O-line will cost Zorn his job, which maybe has been the Macbeth backstab plan all along..Not that there's any reason to be cynical anymo..

Posted by: frak | August 8, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

T_E

Not buying the "32 teams passed on them" argument. By your reasoning, 32 teams passed on Heyer 7 times on draft weekend...

Most teams held off because these guys are older and not considered long term prospects, so it made more sense to see what the younger guys could do.

That's what we are doing as well, but our "younger guys" came straight out of the scrap heap and don't look very promising.

What kind of money is Levi Jones asking for? Runyon and Kendall can probably be had cheap with little or no signing bonuses to worry about. If they are good enough to start, play them, if the are good enough to play well, keep them for veteran depth. If they don't have it anymore. Cut them.

What's the big problem here? It's not like we are waiting for a bunch of first day draft picks to develop. These guys are table scraps.

Time for a move.

Posted by: edvar | August 8, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I'll rephrase for you edvar... Lorenzo has played o line for this team in the past and has done an adequate job.

Posted by: scampbell1975

_

OK, let's see what he can do.

Posted by: edvar | August 8, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Kendall would be....fine. Don't know anything about Jones. I just don't know if I could stomach Runyan on my team, it just doesn't seem right. Let's see what's there after the first round of cuts and whose on the bubble by the last round.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 8, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

BTW, T_E I'm not against your idea about seeing who the other teams let go as they size down. But there are no promises there. (not that Runyon would be considered a promise either for that matter...)

Posted by: edvar | August 8, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

edvar,

The last thing you want to do is to sign these guys now. Bring them into camp and they'd be worn out before opening day. That is the problem with them. They are mid-season replacements.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 8, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Runyan can be plugged in a do a good job. Plus, he never misses games. I think we are okay at guard, assuming Bridges is not hurt too bad, but we need an upgrade at Tackle. Maybe Heyer can do it, but I would be more comfortable with Heyer as the backup and then we can let Bridges and Thomas battle for the starting RG position.

Starters:
Samuels/Dockery/Rabach/Thomas/Runyan

Backups:
Heyer/Reinhart/Bridges

Posted by: Wemiss21 | August 8, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

TE,

semantics aside "ASAP", "with all due haste and dilligence", whatever - the fact is we cannot wait until the end of training camp to start addressing this situation. FO needs to be working the phones now, both for trade opportunities and talking to guys like Kendall

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 8, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The O-line is ineffective and/or falling apart again... I've got a solution: blame Campbell!

Posted by: Alan4 | August 8, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

T_E, I'm hearing you on that one.

Posted by: edvar | August 8, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Kendall does not help us. He cannot play Tackle and he is not a better guard then Dockery, Thomas, or Bridges.

We need a tackle.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | August 8, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I just think it's more a depth thing - if our best lineman is getting his knees drained before the first preseason game, he's probably going to need spelling during the season. If our best guard is "hurting" in the words of his coach, same thing. Samuels and Thomas are both on the wrong side of 30 and appear nowhere near a safe bet to finish a full season. Let's get some serviceable depth guys so we can keep them as fresh as possible going into Dec and hopefully Jan

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 8, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Samuels,Dockery,Rabach,Kendall,Heyer/Bridges.

Posted by: mark65 | August 8, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

With the Mike WIlliams Cinderella story in abeyance for the time being, I'm rooting for Kelly.

But it's hard to establish yourself as a go-to receiver when your QB is on his back or on his way to the hospital because the FO doesn't understand football.

The OLine will be a real issue all year. It was iffy to start with, and depended on getting some cohesiveness playing together in the pre-season. It hasn't gotten any to date with all the dings and owies old and small guys tend to suffer.

It won't get to achieve much cohesiveness against Ravens, Steelers or NE, it will just be trying to survive.

The trouble is OLmen don't sell jerseys. And The Dan is all about selling jerseys.

The OL will go into the season more like the line that ended 2008 than the one that started 2008. It may comet together if people stay healthy, but the question is, will that be too late.

Posted by: TheCork | August 8, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Not buying the "32 teams passed on them" argument. By your reasoning, 32 teams passed on Heyer 7 times on draft weekend...

Posted by: edvar | August 8, 2009 9:24 PM

By your reasoning you wouldn't draft anyone. Just wait and see who doesn't get drafted and pick from them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 8, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting the impression Randy Thomas'Knee's are failing him.Kendall could solve that issue.

Posted by: mark65 | August 8, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

By your reasoning, 32 teams passed on Heyer 7 times on draft weekend...

Isn't that more like "statement of fact"? I mean, compared to what passes for typing Up Here...

Posted by: daggar | August 8, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The O-line is ineffective and/or falling apart again... I've got a solution: blame Campbell!

Posted by: Alan4 | August 8, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse


-You're right..funny how you didn't mention: blame Clinton Portis; despite the fact that opposing defenses game planned for him wanting Soup to beat them.

The trouble is OLmen don't sell jerseys. And The Dan is all about selling jerseys.

Posted by: TheCork | August 8, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse


-The blame lies not with the suits for trying, but it's the sheep that keep on buying whatever is put in front of them.

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Bringing Kendall in to solve knee injury problems would be like bringing Vick in to solve "character" issues.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | August 8, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Just can't wait for Duke Robinson to get cut. We swoop in, get him for free, and bam -- problems solved...

Posted by: daggar | August 8, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

-The blame lies not with the suits for trying, but it's the sheep that keep on buying whatever is put in front of them.

Posted by: Vicc

BULLS***T!!..This damned ownership has been promising and sucking off the past for YEARS, the whole time its been in ownership. Skins fans loyalty has been RAPED for profits...Yeah, a full blown orchestrated boycott may be in order, management has been GROSSLY NEGLIGENT and EXPLOITATIVE, they're like NeoCons suckin' the Treasury dry, F*** THEM..heh

Posted by: frak | August 8, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wemiss,

Knees are shaky, but he had a point when he mentioned that he hadn't missed a game in 2 years. Kendall=solid depth and insurance.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 8, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

frak,

Great post. I guess Jay Z isn't the only proof that crime do pay!

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Scrimmage sounds like a BIG failure......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 8, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Offense is in big time trouble, AGAIN, Zorn, what, has he got a job lined up somewhere else as part of the plan, or didn't he have the cujones enough to stand up and DEMAND O-line upgrades?? My disconnect trigger-finger to this orchestrated charade is covered with mosquito-bites, NOBODY'S that ignorant..

Posted by: frak | August 8, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Offense is in big time trouble, AGAIN...

Posted by: frak | August 8, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse


Not CP26, AGAIN

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I can recall another player who has been managed as tenderly as Kelly has been...they are really handling him with kid gloves. I'm not saying it isn't warranted but that is going to be a real challenge keeping this guy healthy all year.

Posted by: McMetal | August 8, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone,
Good to be back with you...

a 2-6 second half in 2008
a horrible OL last season
a horrible OL this season too?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 8, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

-You're right..funny how you didn't mention: blame Clinton Portis; despite the fact that opposing defenses game planned for him wanting Soup to beat them.

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 9:51 PM

Portis only had 2 games over 80 yards during the 2-6 portion of the season, so feel free to blame him too (although his personal friendship with Snyder insulates him from FO scapegoating).

Blame Campbell and Zorn, Vicc, just like the FO will.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 8, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Alan4,

Portis' late season slide was due to him having a few nagging injuries. Not the O-line struggles. Honestly, I'm not a fan of blaming others for my problems even if it appears the situation warrants it.

Typical adolescent way of thinking/and typical political way of thinking too..it's always someone else fault.

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart is being judged (poorly again) for getting beat off the edge at Tackle. He is proven to not be a good option there.

That does NOT mean that he can be a real nasty beef head from the guard spot. Life isn't fair, and the NFL is even less fair. BUT, the guy has been working, and according to all the anecdotal reports I have seen, working well at guard all camp. He gets thrown to the wolves and under the bus because some 4th string "dude" named Burley pulled his clam, got cramps, and had to sit out.

Now, maybe a requirement is for all the Olinemen to be able to effectively play any line spot not named center, but it seems to me that he just may be worth a continued look at Guard. I would certainly rather roll the dice with him than Kendall for a broken down Thomas.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 8, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Zorn took him outta the Baltimore game. Giv Portis the ball 30+ times a game dammit.

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Scapegoating doesn't happen when people take responsibility for their own actions Alan4

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The worse the O-line, the harder it is on QB's and RB's, according to Malik's Law of the NFL Jungle..

Posted by: frak | August 8, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Enuf about Runyan and Jones. Runyan hasn't even been cleared to run yet and Jones's wheels haven't exactly been rolling well either.

From Friday's Philly Inquirer:

"A team source said the Eagles were not concerned about Andrews' back. Asked if the team was considering other options such as bringing in tackle Jon Runyan, the source said that was not likely considering the former Eagle's health.

Earlier this week, Runyan told WIP-AM (610) that his surgeon, James Andrews, has not permitted him to run on his reconstructed right knee. Runyan said he has an appointment with the surgeon soon, and if cleared, he will begin rehabilitation in the hopes of returning to an NFL team. Runyan, 35, said that he has been contacted by several teams, but that the Eagles remain his first choice."

And Levi Jones has been hampered the past three years by knee and leg injuries, and he's missed 18 games in that time. On top of that he wants starter money.

Moving on...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 8, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason: Could you please clarify the surgery performed on Malcolm Kelly this spring.... Both Kelly and the team are on record as stating the surgery was just a minor arthroscopic procedure to clean up his knee.

Posted by: siris | August 8, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Wasnt Kendall statistically the best O-lineman on the team last year?Am I right?

Posted by: mark65 | August 8, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Quality tackles, or semi-quality tackles, are worth their weight in gold in this NFL economy///We're fairly covered in the close-range guard position, but finding big men with lateral movement and big league strength for the always dangerous blind-side tackle slot ain't cheap (gov't should have seen this years ago)..Its gonna take a trade..

Posted by: frak | August 9, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

What was up when Orlando Pace was dangling out there, salary cap??

Posted by: frak | August 9, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

siris,

The procedure was listed on RI as microfracture surgery. ESPN 980 reported it as a "partial" microfracture surgery, though I'd never heard that one before.

http://www.cartilagehealth.com/acr.html

Scroll about half way down, listed under Marrow Stimulation Techniques

Or take the easy way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfracture_surgery

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 9, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

frak

"What was up when Orlando Pace was dangling out there, salary cap??"

The redskins' front office fronted on the idea of signing Orlando Pace as it felt he was old and oft-injured.

Imagine that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 9, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

This website says that chronic knees don't respond as well as acutely injured ones. Can whoever posted that his/her parents went to Auburn and described Kelly's injury history as "over reported" fill us in as to which type of knee Kelly has? Other than f*cked?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 9, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Can whoever posted that his/her parents went to Auburn and described Kelly's injury history as "over reported" fill us in as to which type of knee Kelly has? Other than f*cked?

Management is probably so embarrassed by its lack of research on him (and others), its going to drag him along in order to save the semblance of face...But, PROVE ME WRONG, y'all, I'll take the humiliation of a wrong, cynical opinion in exchange for productivity with longevity, yes, suh..

Posted by: frak | August 9, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, since you responded 3 times to my post, I'll assume I hit a nerve.

Is it Campbell's fault he remained healthy all season despite 38 sacks, or at least didn't blame "nagging injuries" for his 2nd half decline last season?

Let's just agree to disagree on what caused the coincidental dropoff in performance for the QB and RB positions in the second half of last year... and assume everyone is just crying wolf about the O-line's constant injuries and apparently dreadful performance thus far.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 9, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Is it Campbell's fault he remained healthy all season despite 38 sacks, or at least didn't blame "nagging injuries" for his 2nd half decline last season?

Posted by: Alan4 | August 9, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse


*Syntax Error*

No you didn't hit a nerve, I jus thought we were having a discussion. It's not even that dramatic.

Yes it's on Campbell to remain healthy. He conditions himself great.

If Campbell were healthy throughout the season, how could he blame injuries for his drop in production? Think about it, if Campbell had a few nagging injuries wouldn't he be less effective? Didn't injuries affect our O-line last year?

I can understand the idea that a better/healthy O-line could make life easier for Clinton and Jason, but ultimately an athlete should be defined by their own performance on the field.

Posted by: Vicc | August 9, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

did Campbell miss a single snap?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 9, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Good to see RedskinRay back on the blog

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 9, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Kendall does not help us. He cannot play Tackle and he is not a better guard then Dockery, Thomas, or Bridges.

We need a tackle.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | August 8, 2009 9:37 P
Kendall graded out much better than Dock last year

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 9, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

O-line struggles. Honestly, I'm not a fan of blaming others for my problems even if it appears the situation warrants it.

Typical adolescent way of thinking/and typical political way of thinking too..it's always someone else fault.

Posted by: Vicc | August 8, 2009 10:57 PM
You are correct, it is unprofessional to blame others for your own performance. That being said, there is absolutely no doubt that in football, the performance at skill positions on O are strongly inter-related. Sometimes, a QB's poor completion rate CAN be fairly blamed on half a dozen dropped balls or being knocked on his can every other play before he even has a chance to check all his options. Sometimes a RB's performance can be directly related to that of his O-line, good or bad, remember those holes Timmy Smith had in the Denver SB? I could have gained a couple of yards with those holes, and I'm 49 yo and 300 lbs! You don't think Earl Campbell would have played longer and been the all time leading rusher if he hadn't been hit over half the time before he even got to the line of scrimmage? Theres a difference between making excuses for a players performance, and stating the obvious.

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 9, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya kenboy1,

I agree with you and Timmy Smith benefited from his O-line; and Timmy Smith will never be mistaken for Emmitt Smith, LT or even a CP26.

It is very common for athletes to accept blame for a bad performance and give credit to teammates for great performances. That being said, some bloggers need to acknowledge the fact that Soup may not be as good as preconceived.

Posted by: Vicc | August 9, 2009 2:27 AM | Report abuse

This FO ignorance of ignoring the O-line will cost Zorn his job, which maybe has been the Macbeth backstab plan all along ...

Posted by: frak | August 8, 2009 9:23 PM |

For Z it is the get-out-of-DC plan. See below:

If no playoffs this year.. Zorny is back in Seattle as an Off Assistant.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 7, 2009 11:32 PM |

Which could work out well for the dude. Mora won't last long and Z will be well-placed to takeover as HC. His Skins years will have given him HC experience w/o the normal stigma that goes with being fired because everyone knows Snyder is meshuga. And Z ends up with the yob he really wanted all along anyway. Northwest rulz, hot steamy DC drulz.

Posted by: MrRed | August 8, 2009 9:11 AM |

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

From RI:

Redskins Announce a Record Crowd

... So imagine the surprise when the Skins' official news release listed the attendance as 29,000, "edging the previous training camp attendance record of 28,000 fans in 2008."

1. Who gives a shti about something like this?
2. Why is it even in the blog? A whole thread about "cooked" intrasquad attendence #s? Sheesh.
3. Is this a feeble attempt on the part of the FO to divert attention from the festering OL issues?
4. If it is, RI took the bait, at least for one thread.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Northwest rulz, hot steamy DC drulz.

Posted by: MrRed | August 8, 2009 9:11 AM |

Jaysus. Drooling and perspiring at the same time. That can dehydrate you real quick.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 4:32 AM | Report abuse

It hasn't exactly been smooth sailing for Conan since taking over the Tonight Show. His audience is down by 2M, a 40% drop. The spin doctors say it is a lot younger, which is more appealing to advertisers. Still. His monolgues sometimes have registered pretty high on the suckitude scale but he seems to be improving. This from a recent night:

"Former president Bill Clinton was able to negotiate the release of two American journalists who were being held captive by North Korea. Afterwards he went to a local massage parlor and arranged for his own release"

Leave it to one of the Clintons to come to the rescue of a struggling talk show host or comedian.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Scrimmage sounds like a BIG failure......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 8, 2009 10:06 PM

You would think that if all you went by was what you read on this blog. Jason did a Jasno yesterday blaming "the news" for his reporting. This is the way he began his post following the scrimmage:

"It seems all I do is write about the offensive line, so I was determined to focus on something other than that unit in today's intrasquad scrimmage at Redskins Park. Then starting right tackle Jeremy Bridges sprained his right ankle and, well, news trumps all."

So, "the news" was a sprained ankle! It wasn't Orakpo, Tryon, Bridges, Hall, Mason, Kelly, Campbell or any other player. And when "the news" is a sprained ankle then, by golly, scrimmage is a big failure. When there's a sprained ankle, Jason can't focus on anything else. (He actually did focus on something else -- he questioned the Redskins claim of a record crowd, as if that had anything to do with the scrimmage. That was more "news trumps all" reporting.)

I watched TV last night and they showed a lot of good plays by the offense. They mentioned that Orakpo was a beast. But I didn't get the feeling that the scrimmage was a big failure.

I do think we've got serious troubles on the O line. But there's a lot more going on in training camp and I hope that the Post can send someone out there to report it. There should be more balance and perspective than Jason gave us yesterday: sprained ankle and questionable crowd statistics -- the season's lost!

PS -- Since the scrimmage is the Redskins vs. the Redskins, I'm not sure what final score would constitute "a failure" and what is "a success."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Praise the Lord! Negativity's back!

This is what Maese wrote in today's print edition: "Campbell found his own comfortable cadence early in Saturday's scrimmage. Starting at the 35-yard line, he marched the offense into the red zone. But as they did more than 50 percent of the time last year -- better than only three other teams -- they failed to find the end zone, the day's initial drive dying at the 2-yard line."

Is this bad offense or good defense. If they'd scored, Maese would have put up numbers saying we have a questionable defense. Since we didn't score, he puts up "...better than only three other teams."

He doesn't even mention that there were a total of four TDs yesterday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

You're right TE. I wasat the swim park all day with the fam, so this is the only info I looked at.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 9, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

4th--The offense played the scrimmage without five starters, which Maese did report. Then he spun their drive ending on the two as "more of last year" blah blah. To me, this is agenda-driven reporting.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

There were some posts on this blog recently that discussed drafting for need and how the Skins should have been drafting OL because of their need for OL. Somebody brought up the Ravens and their genius GM who did not draft a WR in the 2009 draft even though there was an obvious need. In his defense, when the Ravens pick came up at the end of the 1st round all the really good WRs were gone. But anyway, someone posted that it was otay for the Ravens to have not drafted any WRs because most teams in need of good WRs got them through FA, not the draft. In refutation of this nutzoid idea I offer the following evidence: of the 8 WRs picked for the 2009 PB, the only one not drafted by their team was Welk. All the others were acquired through the draft by their team - Wayne, Fitz, Bold, White, Smith,and John.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

give me a break TE, next you are going to tell us you demand that JR show his birth certificate or that Maese was the key cog in a 9/11 inside job cover up or that Cindy is the author of the single bullet theory.....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 9, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

15,000 Lions fans showed up at Lions open practice? In the rain. Wow, that is impressive.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 9, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

15,000 Lions fans showed up at Lions open practice? In the rain. Wow, that is impressive.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 9, 2009 7:44 AM

That's what can happen when you add a Jon Jansen to your line up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

give me a break TE,

Posted by: chrislarry | August 9, 2009 7:42 AM

Yeah, if anyone up here deserves a break it's good ol' chrislarry.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

give me a break TE, next you are going to tell us you demand that JR show his birth certificate or that Maese was the key cog in a 9/11 inside job cover up or that Cindy is the author of the single bullet theory.....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 9, 2009 7:42 AM |

The RI staff wouldn't be complete w/o a moon landing denier, especially with all the buzz about the 40th anniv.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

So if Moss, Devin thomas and Malcolm Kelly were all sitting out just who did JC have to throw too that was NOT a rookie?

Posted by: Veretax | August 9, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

The RI staff wouldn't be complete w/o a moon landing denier, especially with all the buzz about the 40th anniv.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 8:07 AM

Have you ever licked one of the so-called moon rocks at the Air and Space Museum? They don't taste any different from the rocks you can get right here in Great Falls.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever licked one of the so-called moon rocks at the Air and Space Museum? They don't taste any different from the rocks you can get right here in Great Falls.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 8:14 AM |

Hey, forget about Great Falls. I've got two rocks right here in my pants that you can lick.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

What I got from the scrimmage was that the offensive line was still a little leaky. No surprise there. We hear about that every day of camp. Earth to Vinny: get an offensive tackle that can pass block.

I have seen Robbie Agnone and Marko Mitchell's names come up several times with big receptions. I think the team might have two keepers there. This might be the beginning of the end for Yoder. I think Devin Thomas will be the #2 receiver to start the year, with ARE in the slot. Kelly will be used sparingly as a short yardage receiver.

Chase Daniels seems to be a gamer and I think the team needs to make a decision on Collins pretty soon so Chase and Colt can get more reps in the preseason. It would be fair to Collins as well, giving him time to latch on to another team. Colt has played well enough to be the number two guy going into the season.

I hear Lorenzo Alexander's name mentioned quite a bit. I think shedding pounds in the offseason has really helped him. He's going to be good in the rotation at end and he has the flexibility of moving to defensive tackle as well. God, I love those brown baggers. I worry a little about the team becoming complacent with the defensive line because next to the offensive line, they look like superstars. They should be fine tuning rotations and matchups right now, but it is hard to deem what is most effective when everything works...

I hear Orakpo's name mentioned a lot in pass rushing but not so much on his ability to make plays as a linebacker. If I had to call it now, I see him starting the season as a situational pass rusher and someone else playing linebacker. Of course, for what Washington is paying him, Blache will have to really make his case if Orakpo is not on the field every down.

Tryon seems to have picked up his game a lot since last season. Barnes has shown he is the real deal. Unfortunately for both of these guys, Smoot came to camp this year in much better shape than last year. I see Smoot holidng on to his job at nickel. Still, I think both Barnes and Tryon stay and Westbrook will be the odd man out.

Kareem Moore is getting a lot of reps at free safety and has looked pretty good. I could see the team shifting Landry to strong safety, with Kareem filling his old free safety spot. What makes this difficult for Blache is Doughty and Horton are both looking really good at strong safety. Look for Blache to come up with more than a few Cobra packages to make use of as many of those safeties as he can.

When you ignore the offensive line, this is arguably the most talent the Redskins have had in quite a while. Unfortunately, the front office also ignored the offensive line and this will be a scab everybody picks at all season long. Let's hope someone emerges as a bonafide starter or the team trades for one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 9, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I've got two rocks right here in my pants that you can lick.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | August 9, 2009 8:21 AM

That's not how your wife tells it. She says the only rocks you've got are in your head.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

if Moore and Doughty are doing well, have we ever bteen so deep at Safety that we could possibly rotate the guys in to keep them fresh, and not just in the nickel situations?

Posted by: Veretax | August 9, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 9, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

While I"m sure Snyder will blame his current theme park misfortune on the economy, I must wonder about the similarities between how he's run that enterprise and the 'Skins. Throughout his tenure as 'Skins owner he's drafted/acquired players for short term results, without it seems a long-term plan for sustainable success. The only thing Magic Mountain appears to do every 2-3 years is add a new roller coaster, and of course raise their prices just for people to walk around, stand in lines for 30-40 minutes, and spend more money on overpriced food.

Two years ago we needed receivers, but DAMN drafting 3 of them (including TE Davis)? Given how well our defense appears, did we even need Heynesworth, at least for 100 million? All of the free agent picks of approaching-the-hill 'big name' players appears to have been to 'get us over the hump' for the immediate future, and EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM has failed miserably. If Snyder had stuck with Marty at least he would have built a winning structure in 3-5 years off of which the next coach could build, because eventually Marty's way wears out.

If Snyder were truly courageous he'd bring both Zorn, Bugel, and Campbell in his office and say, 'ok guys, Vinny and I have really 'f@#d up not taking care of our o-line as we should. We'll try to get who we can for the season, but we trust you'll do your best this season with what you have." Of course at this point he must realize that this team will be lucky to go 9-7, and that another 8-8 season is possible. Even if they draft some lineman next year, it won't be until 2010-11 before the real fruit will bear, so even next year they're looking at maybe 10-6, but more likely 9-7/8-8 again.

Sadly, Snyderrato has never shown this patience or courage, so we're back to this once proud franchise being only a few steps away from being the Browns, Lions, or Raiders. You could make a strong case right now that the Redskins FO is the worst in the league, and the team's performance has reflected that standing almost completely.

Posted by: pdfordiii | August 9, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Just curious -- how many of you folks actually watched that scrimmage yesterday?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 9, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

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