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Lewis expected to be named playcaller

Sherman Lewis, hired Oct. 6 as an offensive consultant, is expected to be given playcalling duties tomorrow, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.

Though Lewis, 67, hasn't coached since 2004, he's had three stints as an offensive coordinator in the NFL: Detroit (2002-04), Minnesota (2000-01) and Green Bay (1992-99).

Green Bay's offensive success made Lewis's name a popular one for head coaching jobs around the league, though he was never hired. One of the knocks against him at the time was that Lewis wasn't the primary play-caller for those offenses.

After Mike Holmgren left Green Bay for the head coaching job in Seattle, Lewis did take over play-calling duties for one season; Green Bay went 8-8 in 1999.

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Sherman Lewis's first 5 scripted plays:

B-7
I-9
N-44
G-28
O-81

Posted by: PDiddy | October 18, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Whoops. Screwed up there. There is no "O" on the Redskins. It's more like a "0".

Posted by: PDiddy | October 18, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I beat the Chiefs 48-7 on Madden. I'm free next Monday night if they need another set of eyes.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 18, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

the man who hasn't been in the league in 5 years, and was just brought out of retirement 2 weeks ago, is going to be running our offense.... I don't even know what to say about that.

Posted by: djnune03 | October 18, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

So, a new chapter of Redskins' mediocrity playbook. Are there doubts regarding the recent poll of the "team-in-disarray"? It's just a shame and humiliation for all fans.

Posted by: fnralch | October 18, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I beat the Chiefs 48-7 on Madden. I'm free next Monday night if they need another set of eyes.

Posted by: VegasJim

that's awesome

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 19, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Cool! Lewis calls the plays and we'll get the same results. I for one am glad to see this. When the results are the same for all the changes our dynamic duo can make, there will only be two things left to change. The dynamic duo themselves. Buh bye Dan and Vinny!

I really wonder if any of the minority owners of the Skins are gonna start asking for their money back.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 19, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

PFT: According to sources within the redskins organization Vinny will be fired at the end of the season

Posted by: thehogs1 | October 19, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Well, considering that Lewis might be interim OC after next week, I guess he might as well start calling the plays now.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 19, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

If Vinny Cerrato was George Patton in a previous life, we'd all be speaking German now.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

PFT: According to sources within the redskins organization Vinny will be fired at the end of the season

Posted by: thehogs1 | October 19, 2009 12:03 AM

Unless the "source" is Dan Snyder himself, I'm a bit dubious about this. I can't imagine Snyder spreading this type of info to anyone else in the organization at such an early point in the season.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 19, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

cant wait for the play calls...
"B-14, I-22, etc..."

and during no-huddle, he'll call out "Free Space," which of course, in bingo terminology, lets the QB call his own plays.

Posted by: kman2 | October 19, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato = Wormtongue. The spin starts here. Pray for Snyder. Vinny on O-Line:

Read this exchange between Larry Michael and Vinny.... ( Hard to believe he was really asking his boss these hard questions )

"Vinny you catch a lot [of heat] over the weeks in terms of the roster, where this team is," Michael began. "But take a look at the offensive line, this has your stamp on it today. You've got Mike Williams, a project that YOU picked up as the guy making the decisions on the team, he's the right tackle. Stephon Heyer is to the left. Will Montgomery, another Vinny Cerrato guy. Derrick Dockery, you brought him in this year. So this offensive line today has your stamp on it, doesn't it?"

"Yeah," Cerrato agreed, his voice literally cracking. "Well, it did with Chris Samuels in it, too. I mean, the same, you know, last week, Mike Williams was playing right guard, and Heyer was playing right tackle, and Samuels was playing left tackle, so that did too. So, you know, I don't see what that really matters, Larry."

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 18, 2009 8:32 PM

Wow. That's to be dealt w/ in 2010; dumping incompetent Vinny and an O line upgrade.

Hope for '09 Today! Collins (does read progressions), 60.1 rating: Soup, 46.1. Each played a half. Play the best player.... Practice with the starters. Zorn calls enough good pass plays, but the ball needs to get to the right spot; the execution has been sorely lacking. The team should be supported over and above the blind cult of personality. God Willing 15-4 this season. Win the next game!

HTTR, HV!

Collins (does read progressions), 60.1 rating: Soup, 46.1. Each played a half. Play the best player....

Posted by: Realness1 | October 19, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I guess we are firing zorn in phases?

Posted by: cancunlizzard | October 19, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Why in the world would you keep Zorn around if he's not calling the plays? That's the whole reason Snyder hired him in the first place. He wanted him to call the plays and manage the quarterbacks. It's like Snyder's trying to get Zorn to break up with him.

-Matt Mosley, espn

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

More from Mosley:

If Snyder's going to strip Zorn of his play-calling duties, he might as well go ahead and fire him. I hate that Zorn actually accepted this arrangement. It makes him look so weak. Snyder's already brought in a 67-year-old offensive consultant who's been on ice for five years.

Now Zorn looks like the ultimate lame duck. Perhaps Snyder and Cerrato thought that Zorn would resign once they stripped him of his play-calling duties. But it sounds like he's going to hang in there and keep taking punches.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

A sad situation.

Regardless of how one feels about Jim Zorn, the football coach, I feel great empathy for him as a human being.

Can't imagine having Cerrato as a boss.

Yuck!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

LMAO on the Larry Michael's interview. That pretty much sums up what the problem is here. The fact that Vinny is employed in football gives me hope that one day I can run the Skins.

For everyone who supports Campbell and thinks he can be a star I would love to see the world through your eyes. He has got to be one of the worst decision makers under center. Even if our OL was a Pro Bowler from tackle to tackle he would still be mediocre/bad. TC should get the start from here on out for nothing else but his field vision.

Posted by: murphyz | October 19, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Which still leaves a question unanswered since he was hired, "What is Sherman Smith's role?"

At least the Titans are sorry enough they would probably take him back.

Posted by: rooster75 | October 19, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Can't imagine having Cerrato as a boss

We're going to find you a nice windowsill in Potomac, and see what happens.

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

What got into Larry Michael's behind to ask a question like that?

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm sort of hoping Zorn sleeps on this decision tonight and then decides to resign. It just doesn't make any sense for Snyder to keep him around now that he's stripped of everything except his dignity -- and I'm afraid that's next.

-Matt Mosley

------------

My sentiments, EXACTLY.

I know PDiddy says Zorn can't resign, as he's contractually obligated, but money and contracts aside, I think Jim Zorn should walk away from this mess...

and join me on the widow sill watching my friends, the squirrels , gather nuts.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

zorn should just step down, he's going to be canned anyways after next monday night. vinny cerrato has to go also. skins should hire gruden as head coach and mike holmgren as GM.

Posted by: bazookajd | October 19, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I think Snyder is sitting back letting Vinny and Zorn run around with there heads cut off.. Vinny is looking desperate right now cause he knows his job is on the line too..

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 19, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

A sad situation.

Regardless of how one feels about Jim Zorn, the football coach, I feel great empathy for him as a human being.

Can't imagine having Cerrato as a boss.

Yuck!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Agreed.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

@ Chia_Pet - on the contrary if I was Zorn I would hold on until they fired me, thus securing the money Danny owes me and retire..

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Bee eye...en gee oh
Bee eye...en gee oh
Bee eye...en gee oh
And Sherman was his name oh!

Posted by: rooster75 | October 19, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

If they do fire Zorn after the Eagles game next Monday, Comcast sports ought to hire him to work as part of the post game show. Who better to give an insiders point of view on the team then a guy who was very recently an insider. Even better, they ought to get him into the post game press conferences and ask the tough questions of who ever is running this dumpster fire after he is dismissed.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Zorn seems like a nice guy. I would have had more respect for him if he would have told Vinny to shove his plan. Dude is in over his head and needs to find a way out without quitting.

JC is also a nice guy; class act. IMO JC is not football smart. Many times plays are made by QBs who look off their intended receiver and draw the safety away with a pump fake. I never see JC do this.

Watch Matt Ryan play QB. that is what a QB is supposed to look like and play like. Read the defense as you walk up to center. Think!

New GM, HC (and coaching staff hired by the new HC) and new QB and fix the OL. Get a RB and SLB and maybe another Corner.

With an uncapped year, even with the restriction imposed by the uncapped year, the Skins should be able to jettison off the old player debt and dead money and cut expensive vets that we have been unable to replace because of their cap $$.

The trick is to get one or two more early round picks via trade. My recommendation to be traded first is LL30. Tired of his football mentality. LL30 may get us a second round pick. Between the way RD and CH are playing, we need to draft a FS or get on through FA. But trade LL30 after this season.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

and retire..

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Indeed. There's no chance Zorn's going to be picked by another team. Although he's a nice guy, as we all know, he is no coach. And even not an OC.

Posted by: fnralch | October 19, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

True, Spear.

PDiddy points out the poetic justice of the Danny having to continue to write paychecks to Jim Zorn after he's back home recovering his sanity in Seattle.

In an alternate reality, where money ain't nothin', I would like to see Zorn man up and flip Snyder da double bird.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

If I was Zorn I'd change my signature phrase from "stay medium" to "stay employed".

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

This is a team with one or two stars and a bunch of guys. If you had a really good coach this is still a team that ranges from 6-10 to 9-7 year to year. Not a team one or two players away from a championship. So blame the coach all you want. But the core of the matter is the talent.

You fire Zorn (effectively what has happened without actually firing him) make Lewis your OC and Gray your interim HC. And you still have the same players and the same issues. You still have a defense that is likely to be sub-par against a good offensive team. (I mean, come on, TB had 68 yrds, 68 YRDS, of offense the week before they played the Redskins. How can you call a team that let TB have 200+ yrds the following week a good defense?) An offense that has been, well, offensive against weak, bottom of the barrel defenses and special teams that aren't so special.

This is a team that is 15 to 20 players away from being championship caliber. Not one or two. As long as Snyder keeps trying to be completely in charge of everything this will always be the case. The Redskins will not be able to attract a good GM and attract and keep a good HC. And they will always be several (or more) players away from being truly good.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 19, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

elkiii_2008,

I think you are preaching to the converted here. While Zorn is not the problem, and I feel for the man that press conference was brutal. He is also not the solution, if the clouds parted and Snyder took his hands off the football team and gave it over to a competent General Manager.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

It's nice of the Post to have this story...about an hour after Lindsay Czarniak of NBC4 tweeted the same info...

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | October 19, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

@ Chia_Pet - I'm not sure of how long G. Williams had left on his contract, but I'm pretty sure as his stout D on the unbeaten Saints continue on, he still receives a check from Redskins Park every two weeks.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Among Zorn's disappointments for me (poor scheme, bad play calling and bad clock management) the one that sticks out the most and should have been a red flag was that when Zorn was hired he did not have a playbook.

For someone who has been in football as long as he has, with plans on moving to an OC or HC position later, that he would have been putting together his playbook over the last several years.

Dan/Vin can be blamed for not doing their due diligence regarding Zorn's quals and hiring him regardless. However, Zorn took the position with eyes wide open, so he only has himself to blame for his situation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Bingo Caller, Play Caller...

Same thing, basically.

Sounds good.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Zorn has no manhood left. None.

Posted by: whughes1 | October 19, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Marko.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

@ Curzon417- If Dan and Vin called me tomorrow and offered me the head coaching job I would take it and I also don't have a playbook.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Unlikely... contracts are typically voided as soon as the contract-ee accepts another similar position in the league.

Clearly, Snyder wouldn't mind a do-over at this point. I don't know that Grilliams would ever be his choice, but NotZorn definitely would.

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

smells like a burned tire shortie

Posted by: pharrrrtt | October 19, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

He can't do any worse. And yet this move reeks of the same stench that accompanied the Bruce Smith signing: Snyder still can't resist acquiring guys 5 years past their prime.

Anyway, none of this will matter as long as Vinny gets to choose the roster.

FIRE that clown, Snyder! And if you refuse, then SELL THE TEAM!!

Posted by: drischord | October 19, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

ever seen a dog with worms? That's Redskins nation right now.

Posted by: pharrrrtt | October 19, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

However, Zorn took the position with eyes wide open, so he only has himself to blame for his situation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 12:49 AM

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Good dude, bad situation.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

If Cartwright is still the KR, ARE still the PR, Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly, not on the field with Moss, and no speed at the RB position, will it really matter who is calling the plays?

If Zorn still makes all the position calls on who plays where and the packages, will it really make a difference.

Does the play caller also determine who and what packages hit the field?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 19, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder,

So if Sherm can somehow call plays that will mask the worst offensive line in the league, the Skins will be ok? During training camp, when we kept hearing about how great the defensive line was did anyone think that it was more a function of how bad the O-line was? I feel bad for Zorn. He's not a guy to hate. I just can't believe that you and Cerrato would have sold him completely out. You knew the O-line was the issue going in. Why let your coach go down with this ship? At some point, you have to accept the fact that you as a fan are just a fan and you have no real football knowledge. Please Danny, look in the mirror and realize you are a jackass, hire competant people to run the team and stay the hell out of their way. We all win and we all can then be excited about Sundays. At what point do you realize that your role in football can't extend beyond writing checks and watching on Sundays. Please for the love of God and all Skins fans, just be a fan and leave the heavy lifting of turning this team into a legit team to experts. You have succeeded in one thing, you are great at assembling a laughingstock.

Posted by: JWPinCHI | October 19, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

This team is a complete dumpster fire!

Posted by: redryan400 | October 19, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

The_Spear, have you spent the last 10+ years coaching in the NFL with the goal of becoming a HC or OC?

If so, why do you not have a playbook ready for when the opportunity is there?

Zorn spent last offseason putting together his playbook. Once it was together he was the only one capable of teaching it to his players and coaches.

He was not ready to coach and Dan/Vin should have seen that or Zorn should have realized that he bit off more then he could chaw.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I was really rooting for JZ and JC to have a breakout season. But, all they did was break things.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | October 19, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

So Curzon, you've never made a poor decision in an attempt to improve your lot in life, took on more responsibility than you could handle, in the hopes you would grow into the position?

Blaming Zorn for accepting the job offer is waaaaay harsh, man.

He did what any confident, forward thinking person would have done and I respect him for it.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

It's not like Jim Zorn interviewed for a job as a heart surgeon, or an airline pilot.

No lives are at stake.

He went for it, and kudos!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Is it traditional to have the OC set the personnel and packages, or is it traditional for the HC to set offensive personnel and packages???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 19, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

You want to blame Zorn for taking his dream job? Really?

Let's face it, we got giddy with the 6-2 start, but as a head coach he has been tried, tested, and found wanting. Sometimes you have to dive in to find out how deep you can go. But this coaching search and selection process was shabingus from the word go. I'd admire Danny more for swallowing his pride and making the move midseason -- a frank admission of his incompetence as a coach evaluator -- even though I don't think it would help turn anything around (or keep it from sinking, more appropriately).

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Chia, I live in the real world where yes I have made plenty of bad choices. Just because someone was dumb enough to hire me for a position I am not ready for should not lead me to believe I can do the job just because I was picked. There is human error all over the decision to hire me and for me to accept the position.

I do not make excuses, nor do I place blame on others because of decisions I make/made. Taught my kids that. There is nothing wrong with realizing that you are in way over you head and need to get out soon before you're in too deep.

Oh, and I like Zorn the person, just not the HC/OC/QBC/play caller, etc., Zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Curzon417 - The blame in that is not Zorn, no it rests with guy who hired him to do the job not realizing he was not suited for it. Or, more likely, that Dan and Vin had burned every bridge they could find when Gibbs retired, Zorn was the least worst option and they hoped they could might exact the same results out of Zorn as the Eagles got from Reid.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

No, I do not blame Zorn for taking his dream job. But I also do not blame Dan/Vin for putting him in that position. Zorn made the decision to accept, so Zorn put Zorn in that position.

The sad part is that I am sure he was expecting to be working for professionals...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Is it traditional to have the OC set the personnel and packages, or is it traditional for the HC to set offensive personnel and packages???

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 19, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Depends on the setup of the organization. Apparently, some teams have a competent GM acquiring the talent, a competent HC to determine how best to use said talent, including hiring OC & DC that fit. This team does not believe that type of setup works.

Posted by: k_square | October 19, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

But I also do not blame Dan/Vin for putting him in that position.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 19, 2009 1:17 AM

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I don't get it.

It was their call to make (Snyder and Cerrato.)

They offered him the job and yes, he accepted.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

I have reached the threshold. I am humiliated. The skins are benched indefinitely. That is to say I am not a fan till further notice.

Posted by: chillsonic | October 19, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Sportscenter just showed the debacle today.

They finished the segment with the WaPo headline in Sports tomorrow morning: How Low Can You Go?

Posted by: k_square | October 19, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

chillsonic - I have rooted for this team for 25 years, through thick and thin I will support them until I leave this Earth. I feel the same way about the Caps. watching them succeed now feels a lot better because I was there during the lean years.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Makes as much sense and putting in a 36 year old QB with no mobility and a noddle arm with 36 seconds left in the 4th quarter.

Vinny is trying to save his job. Zorn is gone but if we go 4 wins Vinny is toast.

Snyder wants a new stadium and fans will not support him with the crap going on for 6 out of 10 years.


Oh yes watch the game JC haters. Or go look at oakland philly. You need time or a running game to be a winning QB in NFL. Only JC haters and Vinny do not know this.

Posted by: mul123 | October 19, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

The_Spear - I don't think it is possible to completely give them up for life. But I am despondent so I am going to take a broader view of the league and just enjoy football.

Posted by: chillsonic | October 19, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Snyder and Cerrato had the book on Zorn.

They knew exactly what they were signing up for with his inexperience as a play caller, and went for it anyway.

Then they go WR-TE-WR to help the man out even more, and now they drag him through the muck they created, tie him to a cross, and light it on fire.

Jeesh!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

but people will post "F Jim Zorn" all day long tomorrow.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

On another note. Rich Eisen of NFL network was talking about Tom Brady and the Pats tonight. He was saying that Brady's 5 touchdown passes in the 2nd quarter was a record and no one has ever done it. But I seem to remember a certain Doug Williams throwing 5 in the second quarter of super bowl 22. What the hell is Rich thinking? Or whoever does his research?

Posted by: chillsonic | October 19, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

REPOST:

I think that Zorn is still showing his arrogance. He must believe that he himself has the amswers to make this work.

He is underestimating why Sherman was hired. Danny hired Sherman IMO as a quick fix to get Zorn's WCO in the endzone.

If Zorn thinks Sherman was hired to quietly and methodically make reports/suggestions as he gets up to speed, then he is missings the point of this hire I think.

Why would Sherman need to get up to speed on the WCO? He is supposedly a WCO expert.

It is bull manure to say he has to learn the terminology.

If that is true, if the terminology is really that tough, then that might explain why the players/this offense ain't producing.

It is too damn complicated. Did Zorn come up with his own WCO terminlogy/plan?

You mean he is using an unestablished version that Sherman does not know?

If Zorn has installed a version of the WCO that Sherman has to learn, then that means that this version of the WCO has never been successful.

Are you folks getting this?

Sherman Lewis has to learn the Terminology of Zorn's WCO.

So we hire an inexperienced coach in Zorn who comes in and has to OJT as a coach and he installs his own version of the WCO that has never been proven.

So, now an expert in WCO's has to come in and figure Zorn's version out and hopefully make it work.

Why isn't Zorn using an established version? What has made this man think that his version that he himself has never been successful with will work.

Jason Campbell and the whole Offense needs to take Zorns butt and whip it roundly. Better yet, he should yes be fired and that WCO version that he has made up needs to be shreded.

Terminology. Gag me wit' a maggott.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 18, 2009 9:11 AM |

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 19, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

@ Chia_Pet -Which would make it so entertaining if 106.7 or someone else added Zorn to the list of disgruntled ex Redskins.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 19, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Uh, Chia, I'd say those morons made a Keystone Kops-level shabingus of the coach search and finally, desperate, took a look around to find the least objectionable option among the staff... and there stood Zorn.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

If I was Zorn, I'd tell Vinny and Little Danny to shove this franchise right up their respective a$$es. Even though he's clearly overmatched in any of his coaching capacities, the dude must have some pride. These two idiots need to be punched in the face in the worst way. If I was Zorn, I'd never let two incompetents like them treat me this way. Man up, Jim, and get the hell out of dodge. At least you can leave- all of us with the Redskins in our blood are stuck with Dan for the rest of our lives. This sucks elephant d*ck.

Posted by: sufferinskinsfan | October 19, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

True, Nate.

Sad too.

HTTR and HTTB

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

I feel the need to say this again: F Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and he entire Patriots family. That disgraceful 59-0 pummeling took me back to the 52-7 win over Gibbs.

I would suggest that the Pats should be ashamed of themselves, if I thought them capable of shame.

No class... may the football gods shower them with every possible misfortune.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I have noticed lots of die hard Skins fans on this post...great, I remember "the good old days" too. Why are we firing Zorn in stages? I like Zorn as a person, he seems great. I have watched the press conferences after the game but he seems like a psychologist with these guys, "we are doing great things, and improving every week" No this is unacceptable. We are losing, badly!!!! Taking Campbell out, was that a last ditch effort at job saving? We all know this season was years in the making with Snyder, all of his spending has got us nothing. Solid offensive line is where to start, then you can add a decent QB, and RB, and a monkey can do it if you have those positions filled. JC is a product of the sport? He has good numbers, and is smart enough to run offense, he needs an O-line, and sucks that he has to suffer for the lack of his owner, and lack of GM, and recruiting. I heard a fellow Skins fan today say that they hope we lose the rest of our games to get a shot at Tebow in the draft. Crazy. Come on guys lets do something!!!!!!

Posted by: jgitz000 | October 19, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Collins (does read progressions), 60.1 rating: Soup, 46.1. Each played a half. Play the best player....

Posted by: Realness1

Most of the difference came because Campbell threw a Hail Mary on the last play and it was picked. Still not sure why they didn't try the FG.

As for Zorn quitting -- why would he? His weekly paycheck now is probably better than what his annual paycheck will be next year.

Zorn, you're a good guy, should not have been a HC plus your mgmt didn't help you. Take as much of Danny's $$ as you can on your way out of town. Which means keep coaching until you get axed. It won't be long

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

I heard that the '76 Bucs are petitioning Roger Goodell to play one more game - against this 'Skins team. They think it's unfair that the Lions got to play them.

Posted by: josettes | October 19, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Even though DS and VC bought the groceries, JZ is the chef. As the the HC or head chef, JZ does not cook very well at all.

There is plenty of blame for DS & VC, but JZ has done a very poor job of using the groceries.

Zorn has stuck with the same old menus that everybody is familiar with.

He has not integrated any of the new skilled offensive groceries into his gameplan.

It is so said what DS & VC has concocted, but Jim Zorn also is largely responsible for serving up WCO with the improper ingredients.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 19, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

I heard a fellow Skins fan today say that they hope we lose the rest of our games to get a shot at Tebow in the draft.


Lets hope it wasn't danny.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Are ShermL and Zorn maybe friendly with Andy Reid? Like, maybe Reid will have pity on his friends and not run up the score on Monday?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Reid will be looking to win and score himself after today's debacle against da raiders.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

F Tim Tebow, F drafting Tim Tebow, F drafting glamour positions high for "plash" purposes when the dysfunction roster-wise starts at the O line...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, you reminded me, Kaneohe, the second part of my answer to Chia above was that the Raiders' win over the Eagles means that my plan to go see Redskins-Raiders is even dumber than it was yesterday...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 2:41 AM | Report abuse

LOL Nate.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

If they fire Vinny before the game, I would be more inclined to fly over.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Numerous people have been saying the man was wearing too many hats and the FO is just responding to this issue. Fortunately, all division teams who played lost today. The Giants were exposed, though they do have alot of injured players. We were not blown out when we played them and they may just continue to waffle in their secondary. The Eagles have just as bad an O line as we do, and the Cowgirls are the infamous Cowgirls. The Chiefs could have beaten Dallas last week if not for several missed tackles.
Personnel moves on the O line should have been done, and because we have such a weak scouting dept they cannot recognize talent. Given our situation, I still hope this can be turned around with JC at the helm. We need OL help in the worst way, which makes us not have a running game opening up the passing game.

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 19, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Kelly's eye, number 1.
Two little ducks (quack quack!), 22.
On it's own, number 7.
Two fat ladies, 88.
etc....

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | October 19, 2009 3:35 AM | Report abuse

You've smelt it, you've seen it before, you KNOW you don't want to touch it.

There's only one thing left to do when you're staring at something like this.

Flush it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 4:37 AM | Report abuse

How in the world can Zorn stay? It doesn't matter who is calling or creating plays. When you draw up plays for crappy talent, you get crappy plays. If there was a way to just call plays for bad teams that worked well, there would never be 4-12 teams.

Zorn may be the worst coach ever, but with THIS offense he was given, we will never know. This is 100% Vinny and Dan.

Posted by: 4seamed | October 19, 2009 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is pitiful. But,ultimate blame goes with Snyder and Cerrato. Mainly Snyder.Nobody could comepete with an O line that have so brazenly ignored.In their arrogance thinking their way was the best. Guess what? It's not.

Posted by: ridgely1 | October 19, 2009 6:01 AM | Report abuse

I would suggest that the Pats should be ashamed of themselves, if I thought them capable of shame.

No class... may the football gods shower them with every possible misfortune.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 1:44 AM

This is Nate's way of saying that the hopes Snyder sells the 'Skins and buys the Patriots. Next week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Again, all anybody needs to know is that Stephanie Heyer and Michelle Williams are the starting tackles. There are no plays that will work with that combo, how can Zorn take all the blame?

Posted by: 4seamed | October 19, 2009 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Again, all anybody needs to know is that Stephanie Heyer and Michelle Williams are the starting tackles. There are no plays that will work with that combo, how can Zorn take all the blame?

Posted by: 4seamed | October 19, 2009 6:14 AM |

78 yard run

JC misses wide open Devon Thomas for TD

JC misses wide open Santana Moss for TD

TC hit Santana Moss for 43 yard gain.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Let's take a break (well at least the guys) from all this angst.

http://www.doublex.com/section/life/defense-lingerie-football

Posted by: charley42 | October 19, 2009 6:29 AM | Report abuse

I think they should sign me as a play caller, I haven't lost a game on Madden. but I do like to punt a lot.

Posted by: kost52 | October 19, 2009 6:57 AM | Report abuse

At the game yesterday, did anyone notice the random Cryboys fans here and there. WTF are they doing at Skins/Chiefs? Clearly, all they wanted to do is taunt, taunt, taunt. How sad and pathetic are they? I mean, who have they beaten this year? We're losers because we're struggling to win. They're losers because they exist.

Posted by: HTTR | October 19, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

From PFT...PLEASE God:

Zorn, Cerrato's fates apparently are intertwined
Posted by Mike Florio on October 18, 2009 9:58 PM ET
Redskins fans, there might be signs of hope in D.C., after all.

We're hearing that there's a strong belief within the Redskins organization that the fates of coach Jim Zorn and V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato are tied together.

So if/when Zorn goes, Cerrato could be dumped, too. (There's a chance Zorn would go after the Eagles game next Monday, and that Cerrato wouldn't be fired until after the season ends.)

That might help explain why Zorn and Cerrato will decide tomorrow who'll call the plays for the rest of the year. And why Zorn didn't simply refuse to give up his play-calling function.

The next question becomes who'll call the plays?

If it's not Sherm Lewis, we're not sure who it will be. Mike Holmgren? Joe Gibbs? Dan Snyder?

That said, Zorn should have refused to give up his play-calling duties and forced his termination. Instead, he has now allowed himself to be systematically neutered over the past two weeks, with the addition of Lewis and now the surrender of one of Zorn's core functions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Snyder wanted Zorn to resign that way he doesn't have to fulfill the contract. If they can Zorn they are on the hook for the remaining salary etc.

Snyder is just being cheap and a jerk. Since Zorn is still head coach he should fix it so Shermie's headset doesn't work during the games! Ooops sorry Shermie I don't understand what the problem is. Yes we are working on it but I don't think B 4 is a play. And shouldn't you change you Depends! I can smell you from here.

Posted by: vaherder | October 19, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS!!!

Sign the petition to get rid of Snyder!
Redskins Petition
Source: www.mervisdiamond.com
and tell every Redskin fan you know to sign the petition.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 19, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS!!!

Sign the petition to get rid of Snyder!
Redskins Petition
Source: www.mervisdiamond.com
and tell every Redskin fan you know to sign the petition.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 19, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS!!!

Sign the petition to get rid of Snyder!
Redskins Petition
Source: www.mervisdiamond.com
and tell every Redskin fan you know to sign the petition.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 19, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS!!!

Sign the petition to get rid of Snyder!
Redskins Petition
Source: www.mervisdiamond.com
and tell every Redskin fan you know to sign the petition.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 19, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS!!!

Sign the petition to get rid of Snyder!
Redskins Petition
Source: www.mervisdiamond.com
and tell every Redskin fan you know to sign the petition.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 19, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't see any reasonable argument why they shouldn't just use the "ASK MADDEN" feature.

How much more ridiculous could it possibly get.

Posted by: carsonspence | October 19, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

What Cerrato and Snyder are doing to Zorn could be labeled as cruel and unusual. Vinny wouldn't give Zorn any more offensive line help. Zorn has basically been stripped of the thing he loves most about coaching and that is calling the plays. He had a consultant thrust upon him which, I agree with Casserly, is the kiss of death and now that consultant is taking his job piece by piece. I don't think Zorn is a good coach or play caller, and I agree that he needs to go, but why make this more embarassing for him by stringing this thing out?

Predictions of the day:

Sherman Smith will resign today.

Todd Collins will start against Philly.

The Redskins will beat Philly.

Zorn gets canned after the Philly game (this is less of a prediction than a foregone conclusion).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

At the game yesterday, did anyone notice the random Cryboys fans here and there. WTF are they doing at Skins/Chiefs? Clearly, all they wanted to do is taunt, taunt, taunt. How sad and pathetic are they? I mean, who have they beaten this year? We're losers because we're struggling to win. They're losers because they exist.

Posted by: HTTR | October 19, 2009 7:00 AM


Exactly...I've seen at least one a-hole Cowboys fan at every single Redskins home game I've ever been to. And I've never gone to a Redskins/Cowboys game. They have no life, no soul and no brains. Hell was created for those people.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

This just in to our news room. The Associated Press is reporting that Daniel Snyder is the new play caller for the Washington Redskins. Assisting Mr. Snyder in the passing game play calling is the recently appointed manager, Mr. Rockets, of the Johnny Rockets restaurant at Fedex Field. Replacing Mr. Rockets at the Fedex Field counter is Mr. Jim Zorn in charge of french fries but not burgers. Burgers will be handled by Mr. Joe Bugel.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 19, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Also reported by the AP is that Mr. Rockets was interviewed at Fedex last night at 7 pm and he blew away Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato in the interview.

This just in to our news room. The Associated Press is reporting that Daniel Snyder is the new play caller for the Washington Redskins. Assisting Mr. Snyder in the passing game play calling is the recently appointed manager, Mr. Rockets, of the Johnny Rockets restaurant at Fedex Field. Replacing Mr. Rockets at the Fedex Field counter is Mr. Jim Zorn in charge of french fries but not burgers. Burgers will be handled by Mr. Joe Bugel.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 19, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: getitritegov | October 19, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is no Gibbs but it ain't about Zorn (or Campbell for that matter)!

The OL has been a train wreck disaster for going on 4 years. Zorn didn't pick or sign those guys.

The News Kids on the Block drafted by the gurus can't play. Zorn didn't pick or sign those guys. IMAGINE how different this season could be had we spent those 3 high draft picks on O linemen?!

A.R.E. is a DOG (and has been ever since we paid him). Zorn didn't pick or sign that dog. Why do you think we used two draft picks to try and replace him?

You cannot call good plays if you don't have good talent to run em. PUT YOURSELF ON THAT SIDELINE LOOKING AT THAT PLASTIC COVERED SHEET - WHAT PLAY WOULD YOU PICK?!?!

Simple as that.

Posted by: kone | October 19, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

The consensus around the league as I read it:
1. Snyder is football stupid.
2. Cerrato is a horrible GM.
3. Zorn wasn't ready to be a HC.
4. Campbell might be salvageable.
5. OL is in bottom 5.
6. D is in top 5, a waste w/o a good offense.
7. Snyder will have to choose between getting a name coach and keeping Cerrato... none of the big boys will tolerate VC as GM.

Posted by: chris_zz | October 19, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

More PFT:

Sherm Lewis is the new Redskins play caller
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2009 7:09 AM ET
The wake of the Washington Redskins' embarrassing home loss to the previously 0-5 Chiefs became even more bizarre than anyone could have imagined.

Conventional wisdom was that, if the 'Skins got scalped by the Chiefs, coach Jim Zorn would load his personal effects into a box and make the slow, final walk to the parking lot.

But instead Zorn has agreed to a second public emasculation this month, giving up one of his main functions -- calling the plays on offense -- in order to keep his job.

With that news came the bizarre word that Zorn and executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato would be putting their heads together to decide on the new play-caller on Monday morning.

The development created a sense of drama where there should have been none. I mean, who was it going to be? Coach Janky Spanky?

Sherm Lewis was the obvious selection, primarily because there was no other alternative.

We're told that it is Lewis, and Rick Maese has reported the same thing.

And so a guy who made his name in Green Bay as an offensive coordinator who deferred the play-calling function to Mike Holmgren will now be charged with the task of saving the asses of Zorn and, as we're hearing it, Cerrato, too.

Good luck with all that.

The only remaining question is whether the new arrangement gets one week or longer to save Zorn's job.

And, given the current disarray, whether the Redskins will be able to win any more games this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Snyder does what he always does. Undermine the head Coach.

So who is the head coach of this team ?
Vinny ? Sherman ? Snyder ? Zorn ?

Posted by: dashriprock | October 19, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I just read the Mike Wise column, in which he talks with JC, and somewhat paints JC as the victim in all this...I don't get it. Now for the record, I realize that its not entirely on the qb, but did Wise watch these games??

I don't care who calls the plays to be honest, just do something, ANY-FRIGGIN-THING differently than how its been done the first 6 games.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Vinny better be careful, if he keeps taking duties away from Zorn and it still doesn't work, then who will be left to blame?

Posted by: cannontl | October 19, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

On another note. Rich Eisen of NFL network was talking about Tom Brady and the Pats tonight. He was saying that Brady's 5 touchdown passes in the 2nd quarter was a record and no one has ever done it. But I seem to remember a certain Doug Williams throwing 5 in the second quarter of super bowl 22. What the hell is Rich thinking? Or whoever does his research?

Posted by: chillsonic | October 19, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

um, doug williams threw 4 td passes in that quarter....you should check your research.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 19, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Vegas Jim - the freakin Bengals killed me again.

KC +6.5 (easiest game on board)
Pats - 9 (JUST made it)
Atl - 3 (really just made it)

Cinci - 4.5. Last time I bet them this year either way.


Is 35 points the record for any quarter?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I could easily see the Redskins not winning another game this season... Maybe the Raiders. We're relying on a retired bingo caller to give us the offensive edge here. If I were the defense, I'd be pretty ticked off right now. I'm thinking about becoming an Eagles fan. Help.

Posted by: Dorf | October 19, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins first bring in an offensive advisor. Then they take the play calling from the coach. If this week they announce Coach Zorn can front load his 401k, I'd be worried.

Posted by: Theoptimist | October 19, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Reposting this, but PFT is reporting that Cerrato's fate is linked to Zorn's and that Vinny is in serious danger of being fired at the end of this year...please let this be true...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/18/zorn-cerratos-fates-apparently-are-intertwined/

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Since Sherm hasn't called the plays for the Redskins in a game yet, I won't judge him.

He can't be any worse than Zorn, and perhaps he'll even install some new wrinkles this week for JC or TC, whichever one ends up starting.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Calm down people. This change is a good thing. Sherm is going to simplify things for the offense in an effort to get comfortable and master the basic plays of the offense.

In an effort to help players, he's going to switch to a letter/number-based combination (e.g., G-32, N-12, etc.)

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 19, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I keep reading how taking the play calling away from JZ is such a horrible move...I don't get it...have you seen the plays that the redskins have been running, have they NOT been scoring points?? I mean, they've had 2 games this year where they didn't score a TD AT ALL?? How can taking that job away from JZ be called a bad thing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Zorn probably needs to get fired to get paid everything he's owed. If he resigns, they probably don't have to pay him as much. Their trying to save money right now, he's trying to earn some. Can't fault him there. Really, most of this mess isn't his fault. He's a below average coach with an aging team with glaring holes in it.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 19, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic and embarassing for this organization...you have a coach who is nicer than hell with zero balls = zero respect, a Pseudo GM who has no idea what he is doing and really doesnt seem to care and then you have Snyder, who at some point is going to get tired of losing and looking bad on TV.

I would have thought that Snyder after hearing all of the TV personalities would be so irate with being embarassed he would do something to Vinny and Zorn, not doing anything is just as bad as letting all this crap happen.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 19, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What are everyone's thoughts on TC and JC17 now? My opinion is that JC is too rattled to play here with any consistency anymore. It would be the best thing for him to move on. He looks unsure of himself in the pocket due to the o-line, but even more than that is the lack of confidence in which he plays b/c he knows the FO isn't behind him, either.

TC by the way -- and he did get us 6 points -- didn't really look much better. Guy had happy feet going on in the pocket every play, and if he starts against Philly, I bet we see JC17 again pretty soon after Collins gets shelled 5-10 times...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I read the Wise column too. It's maudlin.

You'd think Jason Campbell was some third-world relief worker who was given the shaft while trying to feed starving children or something.

It's ridiculous. Sure Snyder is a jagoff -and Vinny too. But that doesn't excuse Campbell's mediocrity after 5 years.

All of us either have had - or currently have - knucklehead bosses. No one writes columns for us wringing their hands over the fact that we're being held back or oppressed or under-appreciated in some way.

Wise needs a vacation, and a reality check.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking about becoming an Eagles fan. Help.

Posted by: Dorf | October 19, 2009 8:43 AM


You need it if you're considering that.

A buddy of mine just quit the Eagles on the heels of that embarrassing loss to Oakland. That team is on the downturn anyway.

You should jump on the Houston Texans bandwagon. They hate the Cowboys as much as Redskins fans do and have a good young up and coming team. Just a suggestion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

There are six teams in the NFL that have worse records that the Redskins (Rams, Lions, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Browns and Titans. The 'skins have lost to two of the six. They also lost to the pathetic Panthers. Therefore they are either the third, forth or fifth worst team in the league. Unless they are working on some grand strategy to maximize draft position, they suck. No, I don't mean they are just bad; they are way beyond that. The SUCK! They are an embarassment. Anyone with the slightest amount of profession pride in themselves doesn't play as badly as they do. ONe hundred yards against the Chiefs? You have to be kidding me!

I like Zorn as much as anyone, but it is clear that for whatever reason, he just is isn't delivering. Neither are some pretty highly paid members of the team. Let's get rid of the dead wood (Zorn and the coaching staff), players who don't produce (e.g., M. Kelly, D. Thomas), and start rebuilding now. The longer we wait, the longer it will be before things improve.

Oh, and before we start, let's get rid of Vinnie. The height of hypocrisy was for Vinnie, who built this train wreck, telling Zorn he can't call play! On what basis is Vinnie telling anyone anything?

PT

Posted by: Obamasux | October 19, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

well Campbell haters got to see what Collins can do...nothing.

and Portis haters got to see what Portis can do 15 for 109.

I love when they take Portis out on 3rd and Betts misses his block and there is a sack, that's brilliant

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1,
I agree. People are putting Sherm Lewis down because he was semi-retired, but this guy was pretty good in his day and I think he still has something left - I don't care if he was calling BINGO or sitting in the park all day watching the pretty girls go by. AND, as you say, how could things get any worse offensively? Unlike many that post on RI, I think the play-calling has been the major problem. You can blame Vinny for the offensive line depth, but every coach has to game plan around weaknesses and Zorn has done a poor job of that.

BTW - A lot of max protection yesterday but they still found Cooley in the passing game, so why couldn't that have happened last week? Wasn't that the excuse Zorn used for not getting Cooley the ball?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

It speaks volumes that a guy calling bingo for the last five years, and who has been with the team for 10 days, is now going to be the offensive coordinator. Clearly we've got a real crack team of offensive minds on the sideline.

Posted by: james808d | October 19, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we got to see what Collins can do. After almost 2 years of not playing and not taking snaps with the first team in practice, he moved the Redskins in position to get 6 points in the second half.

That's still 6 points more than JC was able to muster after taking all the first-team snaps in practice and playing all the games going back to last season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

well Campbell haters got to see what Collins can do...nothing.

How about if he gets first team reps this week, and we judge him on a game after a full week of practice?? I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna save the season, but to judge him after coming off the bench for 1/2 a game seems...premature, don't you think...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

and Portis haters got to see what Portis can do 15 for 109.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry pab, CP is washed up. Yes he made one nice run through a hole the size of Clevland with Sellars out in front the whole way but there were way too many open holes that he couldn't get to quick enough yesterday. Just because he's the best we've got doesn't mean he's good.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Ooops. I inadvertently deleted a paragraph from the above post.

Compare the Redskins to the Steelers. You don't have to be a coach or a football expert to see that the Steelers play with intensity. Every play they hit hard and run hard. EVERY PLAY. Their receivers get open and Rothlisberger throws completions. In comparison, many of the Redskins are simply going through the motions. That is why they are loosers. The offense is so bad, I can't figure out why the defense even shows up.

Posted by: Obamasux | October 19, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I keep reading how taking the play calling away from JZ is such a horrible move...I don't get it...have you seen the plays that the redskins have been running, have they NOT been scoring points?? I mean, they've had 2 games this year where they didn't score a TD AT ALL?? How can taking that job away from JZ be called a bad thing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 8:52 AM

My issue is that Sherm Lewis is going to call the plays. He's been here for allof two weeks. I don't think he'll know the personnel that well. In addition, will the players follow his lead? I'm guessing they will because they are professionals, but it's still an issue. It should've been Sherm Smith or Chris Medits, someone that has experience with working with the team and who understands the offensive lingo. I'm hoping for the best because anything was better than what we had.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

pabrian2003,
I disagree with you pabrian. Collins hit the deep pass that Campbell couldn't. He had to dump off some passes because of the pass rush, but I think he did better than Campbell. Campbell was playing in a telephone booth yesterday. He wasn't stepping into his passes and the ball was sailing all over the place. This happens to some QB's that are hearing footsteps. I think Sherm Lewis will go with Collins next week. Watch.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we got to see what Collins can do. After almost 2 years of not playing and not taking snaps with the first team in practice, he moved the Redskins in position to get 6 points in the second half.

That's still 6 points more than JC was able to muster after taking all the first-team snaps in practice and playing all the games going back to last season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 |

Give me a break. He threw ONE good pass and that was it. That got us 3 points. The other 3 points came from Portis. The rest of the way, he was just as bad.

And the 'first team' argument is just baseless... you have no idea if he got reps with the other guys in practice.

Bottom line is, neither one is going to help us win this year. Todd won't do any better than Jason and that showed yesterday.

There is nothing that can be done before this year is through to make us better.
NOTHING.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure Collins will do much better next week when the opposing team has a week to prepare for him.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

...none of the big boys will tolerate VC as GM.

Posted by: chris_zz | October 19, 2009 8:11 AM

Nice assessment of the debacle that is, was, and probably will continue to be our beloved but systematically destroyed franchise.

Posted by: will_ga | October 19, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, I'm big behind JC as much as anyone but how can you say he did nothing? They got into the red zone twice; in the first half we didn't sniff it. The protection was pretty awful late in the game; Tom Brady would've been helpless on those last couple drives to do anything.

I'm not sure how to parse the blame out here, but it's pretty clear that 17 deserves a goos amount. Regardless, if we don't get some better protection and play calling, the guy under cetner is somewhat elementary. How about drafting O-linemen with our first 2 picks, signing a good f/a fullback (Sellers is about finished), and getting a coach who can manage a game, inspire the troops and not be so damn predictable in this game planning?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

twis, as opposed to JZ who has been here for 22 games, and still doesn't seem to know the personell that well. I mean, its not like they could suck less on offense, right?? I mean, lets say they score 9 points against the eagles, thats a 50% increase in productivity.

ryp, all I said was give him first team reps all week, and lets see how he does versus the eagles...I mean, what could that hurt..right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

well Campbell haters got to see what Collins can do...nothing.

How about if he gets first team reps this week, and we judge him on a game after a full week of practice?? I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna save the season, but to judge him after coming off the bench for 1/2 a game seems...premature, don't you think...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

No, not really. I know we're all pissed off about the game, but can we be objective for a minute? Collins had for the most part nowhere to throw, checked down to Betts in the flat about 5 times, took a safety, and after his first series (I'm not including Portis long run) TC couldn't move the ball at all.

My point is what it has always been: the QB is not the main problem. Play-calling, the offensive line, the WCO system we use, etc. are why we are struggling. Philly is going to tee off on whoever starts on Monday night. They just got embarrassed by the Raiders. It's gonna be ugly...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

And the 'first team' argument is just baseless... you have no idea if he got reps with the other guys in practice.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM |
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Sure I do. He said so himself in the post game presser.

But it's OK. I really dig your optimism, almost as much as the fact that you give Jason Campbell 21 games and decide he sucks in Zorn's system, but only give Todd Collins 30 minutes off the bench to decide he too sucks in Zorn's system.

You're an intellectual dynamo.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

notor, I think you need to go back and re-read my posts?? You might have me confused with someone else?? I never said that JC did nothing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Maybe its just a twist of fait. But with the fallout of the skins and the slow rise of the Nationals. I think I am switching to baseball being my number one sport...

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

and Portis haters got to see what Portis can do 15 for 109.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry pab, CP is washed up. Yes he made one nice run through a hole the size of Clevland with Sellars out in front the whole way but there were way too many open holes that he couldn't get to quick enough yesterday. Just because he's the best we've got doesn't mean he's good.

Posted by: Original_etrod

To do what CP does behind arguably the worst O-line in the NFL, how can you possibly say he's not even "good". That's absolute nonsense. He's still the best player we have on offense, by a wide margin.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure Collins will do much better next week when the opposing team has a week to prepare for him.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

O but collins put up 6 points!!! Didn't you see him rip off that run down the sideline to set up the field goal? O wait, that was portis. Collins is terrible. At least JC can run and throw deep.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Beantown, meant to direct that at pabrian...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

How about if he gets first team reps this week, and we judge him on a game after a full week of practice?? I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna save the season, but to judge him after coming off the bench for 1/2 a game seems...premature, don't you think...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:10 AM

Behind this line, and given the state of the running game, the QB has to be able to make plays with his legs with some regularity to keep the offense's flow. I don't see Collins doing that. Plus, when defense's game plan Collins, they'll take away the short passes and force him to beat them over the top. Collin's will have to hold onto the ball longer and with Heyer on Collin's blindside, God help him.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"At least JC can run and throw deep"

Where, and when did this happen?? Do you have proof?? Are you talking about the ball to DT where JC lead him right out of bounds??

Ok, so this is what I don't get about this offense. They go deep to DT, and JC leads him out of bounds, but then THEY NEVER TRY IT AGAIN. The only players who get more than 1 ball thrown in their direction are Cooley, and Moss, NO ONE ELSE gets a 2nd pass thrown to them. That absolutely mistifies me....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least the stadium will be packed Monday night....with Iggle fans.

At this point, the only satisfaction I get from watching the games is watching Cerrato's career go down the drain (hopefully).

Of course that means nothing if Dan hires another yes-man.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 19, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

But it's OK. I really dig your optimism, almost as much as the fact that you give Jason Campbell 21 games and decide he sucks in Zorn's system, but only give Todd Collins 30 minutes off the bench to decide he too sucks in Zorn's system.

You're an intellectual dynamo.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

As intellectually dynamic as thinking a 38 year old QB who somehow has been a backup his whole life will lead us to victory?

I'm sure its just been the system keeping him down for 12 years...he's really a gem just waiting to be discovered.

I really hope you get your wish, I really do. Cause either 1. He is going to get killed by our matador O-line and the fact that he has no mobility, so JC will be back in anyway, or 2. He'll play the rest of the season and we'll go 4-12 anyway.

If you think Todd is the answer or any significant difference, then you haven't been watching this season.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

well Campbell haters got to see what Collins can do...nothing.

and Portis haters got to see what Portis can do 15 for 109.

I love when they take Portis out on 3rd and Betts misses his block and there is a sack, that's brilliant

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

__________________

Collins was able to do one thing that Campbell couldn't. Hit Moss down field.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins (mis)management run the team like every move is the final play of a game your trailing.

Hurl the ball down field and hope for the best.

Zorn blows. Instead of just admitting that you created the Corny Zorny monster and canning him, you make an absolute joke of the whole thing with this constant drama...

Maybe Sherm Lewis is the key...yeah thats it! That will save the season! Look out gang here comes the hail mary!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

BTW- I disagree we are one of the worst 5 teams in the NFL. Yes, we are not good. But any team with a top 5 defense is not horrible. Bad offense + good defense = mediocre.

Splitting hairs, next up - the atom.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

to be fair to sherm lewis, it was a west coast bingo parlor he was calling at. the first 15 balls were scripted.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | October 19, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

And Clinton isn't washed up yet, but he's on the downside of his career. He has no breakaway speed, doesn't break enough tackle, has an attitude problem.

He HAS to score on that big run. When you have one of the best blocking FB in front of you in a 2 on 1, elite (even good) RBs will cut back and find six there.

Other than the big run (which we'll call an outlier), he averaged 2 yards on 14 carries. Granted, thats also the lines problem, but lets not let one big play distort the fact that our running game is subpar.

If I could get a draft pick for Clinton, I'd do it.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I haven't come to gloat, just to offer sympathy. I watched from the latter part of the 3rd quarter onwards hoping things would get better, but man, that was ugly.

As far as I can understand it seems like the blocking performance was characterized by The Todd's 4th quarter fumble, when Heyer and Sellers had one guy to block on the blind side and he just ran straight by both of them without even having to break stride.

If I was Bugel, I'd have them doing about 1,000 extra reps on the back of that - it was absolutely pitiful.

I feel your pain. You guys must be close to where I was during our 1-15 season. You have to turn to gallows humo(u)r just to be able to watch at all....

Sorry.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 19, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

So who will call plays once Matlock comes on?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

ryp, easy there fella, no one is claiming that todd is the answer, but how about giving him a chance, before we write him off?? Turns out he DID NOT get first team reps in practice, so I mean, lets let him get those reps, and see how he does...no one is claiming he's been kept down, just give it more than 30 minutes of football...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I don't mind at all if Collins plays next week. I just don't think it will make a difference. You're right, can't be worse on offense.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I am taking a Greg like stance and saying...Let's see who they pick. I don't believe it's Sherm Lewis.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Man we're sh*tty. FU Snyder with a capital F. We need the 90,000 brown bag game. Come on now people, let's do this thing.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 19, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Boomer Eaison said something interesting today on his WFAN show in NYC,

He said that he talked with Snyder after the coaching search and said they ultimately passed on Fassell b/c they didn't think they could "work with him" after all the success he had in NY. WHAT? Its obvious that they need someone that they feel will take their wacky directions no questions asked. Its like they know they are retarted and need to hire sonme one that is ok with that. I think that is why they passed on the uber-obvious choice of Grillimas as well.

At this point I hope Florio is right and that Snyder views Zorn as Cerrato's Little Big Horn and hen just wipes the whole thing clean this offseason.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are like Africa. Some parts look good, but really it's a mess. All the people in the world can be brought in to help, but it the end it's still too dysfunctional.

I don't see either situation getting better.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | October 19, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts on a number of things:

Zorn's Demotion: I agree we need to try something different, so I don't argue with this move. But I don't think it's going to help one iota. I think in order for the Offense to improve behind our new o-line, we're going to need a litany of new plays designed around our talent (or lack thereof). And we don't really have time to create, teach, and practice those by next week. It's possible we'll see something new after the bye week - fingers crossed.

Campbell benching: I don't expect Collins to do any better than Campbell. I think benching Campbell was a stupid idea, because of what he did in Tampa Bay. If the guy you've tied your future to is a 2nd half comeback potential kind of guy, you don't bench him after a bad first half. That's just idiotic. What would have happened against TB if he had benched Campbell? Does anyone want to bet Collins would have come in and did just as well? Now Zorn has alienated Campbell, this must really have been a last ditch panic decision.

Which QB starts next Week: I think this is going to be Sherman Lewis' decision. I think he'll go with Campbell, and I think he should. I think from a scientific standpoint, JC should be in there as a control. I want to see if Lewis can really call the plays better. If he did, and Collins was in there, than how will we know which change was the spark? Also, if Lewis is a WCO Guru, I have to imagine he wants someone with a cannon rather than a noodle. He'd be limiting his own play selection if he put Collins in there.

On an organizational note, this season is a bust and everyone knows it. They aught to let Campbell play for his future, because Collins is a career backup and that's plain to see. After stringing him along all year, I think they owe it to the guy to let him show other teams he deserves a spot, at least as a backup.

Game day chanting: Where was the SELL THE TEAM chant? Come on guys... they can't hear me from Indy so the responsibility falls to you!

-REX

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

If you think Todd is the answer or any significant difference, then you haven't been watching this season.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

No point in arguing this, Ryp. He's convinced JC17 is an awful QB. But what annoys me to no end is the fact that in all of the discussion about Campbell, people ignore the fact that:

1. He has no offensive line -- Heyer, BMW, and Rinehart / Will Montgomery have no business starting in this league. Period.

2. This is his second season in Zorn's system. Not even getting into the question of whether or not the system suits him, or suits the rest of our personnel, and how much we can really open things up with a porous O-Line.

3. He knows no one in the FO has any confidence in him. People who think this shouldn't affect him haven't ever played competitive sports at a high level.

That being said, JC should be playing better, no doubt. But the "he's been in the league 5 years" argument rings hollow -- he's had 3 different systems to learn during that span. The "immediate results" mentality is a combination of Dan Snyder like thinking and thinking everyone should be like Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan, who are exceptions to the rule...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I just started reading these comments and I really think most of you guys are delusional.

Zorn is not a lost golden lab puppy dog.

Stop feeling sorry for him and his $9mil he earned over 3 years. Chalk this up as learning lesson for all and keep it moving.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I thought all hope was lost then:

Portis made a 78 yard run
Sanchez threw 5 ints
Cutler proved to be the worst red zone QB
the Raiders beat the Eagles
Collins looked like an old white Campbell

there are football Gods, and I thank them

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse


Collins was able to do one thing that Campbell couldn't. Hit Moss down field.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

In a similar situation Campbell hit Moss for a 59 yard TD, so your wrong

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

To do what CP does behind arguably the worst O-line in the NFL, how can you possibly say he's not even "good". That's absolute nonsense. He's still the best player we have on offense, by a wide margin.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse


What exactly did he 'do' yesterday? With the exception of one play, one in which every member of the team actually did their job right, he broke a long run.

Take that away and he had 14 carries for 31 yards.

I've been a CP fan for a long time but he's not the same back that he once was. And the fact that he is the best player we have on offense is not a good thing at all.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Good post to the gods there guy.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"there are football Gods, and I thank them"

pretty sihty godz....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TC is the "answer" at all. Not long -term.

But I think they should let him play a few games and see what he can do, not write him off as "bad as JC" after one half.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rogers threw for 350 plus behind that line....ugh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

well Campbell haters got to see what Collins can do...nothing.

and Portis haters got to see what Portis can do 15 for 109.

I love when they take Portis out on 3rd and Betts misses his block and there is a sack, that's brilliant

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Collins never got any snaps this year, even in the preseason. Even without snaps, he was better than Campbell.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Punish the Monkey....and let the organ grinder go.

Posted by: edvar | October 19, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Collins was able to do one thing that Campbell couldn't. Hit Moss down field.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 9:29 AM

But he didn't get them into the end zone. He had three red zone passes in one drive and still failed to get them in the end zone. Isn't that what we're talking about? I hope the new play caller helps, but the play calling in the red zone, and on third downs have been as much a part of the issues in scoring this season than the QB.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I really wonder if any of the minority owners of the Skins are gonna start asking for their money back.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 19, 2009 12:03 AM | Report


Nah...they are making a nice return on the investment..Snyder doesn't know squat about winning football games but he makes money.

Posted by: scottmando | October 19, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...............

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 19, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

On another note. Rich Eisen of NFL network was talking about Tom Brady and the Pats tonight. He was saying that Brady's 5 touchdown passes in the 2nd quarter was a record and no one has ever done it. But I seem to remember a certain Doug Williams throwing 5 in the second quarter of super bowl 22. What the hell is Rich thinking? Or whoever does his research?

Posted by: chillsonic | October 19, 2009 1:37 AM

Wrong, son. Though the Redskins scored 35 points in that quarter, Williams threw for four of those touchdowns (and in the entire game, as a matter of fact). Timmy Smith ran for one of those second quarter touchdowns (the third one).

Do your research boy! Get that sh*t out of here!

Posted by: hithere1 | October 19, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Collins made 1 good throw and then started hitting his check downs and getting sacked just like Campbell

The reason people feel bad for Zorn is that it's Vinny's fault or Danny or snyd-rrato

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Man we're sh*tty. FU Snyder with a capital F. We need the 90,000 brown bag game. Come on now people, let's do this thing.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 19, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse


If we want to send a message that Dan Snyder will get loud and clear we need a 90,000 empty seat game.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

and the slow rise of the Nationals. I think I am switching to baseball being my number one sport...

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Admittingly, I only keep up with the Nationals when they play the Braves & I know that Strassburg will help some but I thought they were a terrible team? Did they get better & start winning?

Posted by: will_ga | October 19, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is clearly out of his depth. Everybody on the team who's contributing is pre-Zorn. The young guys from 08 and 09 drafts are not (with the exception of 98), and while VC did pick them, I don't remember anybody in the league saying that the Skins drafted somebody that should not be playing in the NFL. Some disagreement about draft standing, or whether the player fit the need. But nobody says that they shouldn't be there at all.

So -- NFL caliber talent, not contributing. That goes on the coaching staff. Offense not executing: that goes on the coaching staff. The offense is getting worse with every week, starting from the Rams game OF LAST YEAR. That goes on the coaching staff.

JZ tried to do way too much: QB coach, OC, head coach, and chief de-motivator. About the only job he did well was de-motivating. Stay medium?!? WTF is that?

Yes he's a nice guy. But not smart enough to realize that he should have quit last year during the offseason.

Remember the scene in Magnum Force when Lt. Briggs (Hal Holbrook) drives away from Lt. Callahan in that wrecked sedan? With the bomb in the back seat?

Sedan = Redskins
Zorn = Holbrook

So who's Lt. Callahan? Sherm Smith?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Collins never got any snaps this year, even in the preseason. Even without snaps, he was better than Campbell.

Posted by: getitritegov

Collins played in pre season and looked about like he did yesterday, don't make up stories

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else see Eli Manning yell at Ahman Bradshaw and hit him on the back twice after Bradshaw went the wrong way on a blitz pick-up?

I didn't think Eli had it in him.

What it made me think was: Why didn't someone (JC or TC or even CP) get in Heyer's face and/or shove him yesterday and tell him to get his head out of his butt and block Vrabel.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

all the years of bad drafting, bad f/a signings, bad coaches, all have finally come home to roost. you could see the look on fat alberts face after the detroit game, it said it all. what a train wreck.
i don't even get mad anymore, i'm numb to it all.

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | October 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Some non-team related notes.
1. Seriously we have the crummiest looking field in the country, I know it was raining and sloppy out there but it also looked like the team put down some new sod 30 minutes before the game. Maybe we should switch to astroturf.

2. Anyone notice that Zorn was wearing Maroon and Black? Either he was trying to change the team colors or he was joining the "blackout" of the team to show how much he hates the front office.

3. I missed some robots, I don't know why people like CBS's broadcast over Fox, they are about the same.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

the only laugh i got yesterday was when thomas made that catch out of bounds, michael got all excited like he had finally done something......and jurgensen said the ball needed to be thrown in the field of play.....lmao

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | October 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

One thing that came to mind yesterday while watching all this unfold was how great a leader Joe Gibbs really is. I think even I underestimated him in his second go around here. He dealt with all the s*** that goes on around here and got us to the playoffs twice in four seasons. And now look what's happening. The whole organization is crumbling not even 2 years after he decided to walk away...amazing, IMO...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so this is what I don't get about this offense. They go deep to DT, and JC leads him out of bounds, but then THEY NEVER TRY IT AGAIN. The only players who get more than 1 ball thrown in their direction are Cooley, and Moss, NO ONE ELSE gets a 2nd pass thrown to them. That absolutely mistifies me....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

A lot of that is play calling. I think we need to take a lot more chances. We need to play like the Steelers. Run, run, throw 50 yards downfield. This is what we're saying by playing to our strengths instead of weakenesses. We know Campbell has a slow release and slow read progression. If we know that then why do we keep trying this WCO BS? It's stupid. Campbell has a cannon attached to his shoulder. Bring in Marko Mitchell and DThomas. Put Moss in the slot and pound the ball then unleash the dragon. If we hit 3 of these a game that's 21 points. Who cares if we throw picks. We we're going 3 and out anyway and with deep ball pick they're not getting great field position. At least make it entertaining.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

How can you have a top 5 defense and still not be good??

NO O LINE

Vinny and Danny strike again, Gibbs couldn't crack this front office why should we think anyone else will be able too.

as long as Vinny's the guy noone will succeed here.

not only has Sherm L been out of coaching for 5 years he wasn't even the play caller when he was coach

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

If we want to send a message that Dan Snyder will get loud and clear we need a 90,000 empty seat game.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Well yesterday looked like a good start. Looked half empty at kick-off.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I say hire Doc Walker as your GM..Dude gets it.. He put it best last night when he said to Run the ball behind BMW and play smash mouth physical football...no more of this cute fancy stuff...hit em in the mouth. Cuz at the end of the day its still a violent sport and that man still has to beat your man at the line..so line em up and let em hit each other and stop all the cute crap

Posted by: scottmando | October 19, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I still think the Skins should sign Garcia. At least he can run a WCO...

Posted by: siris | October 19, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

how can one analyze QB play and play selection behind this O line??

unfairly

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Well yesterday looked like a good start. Looked half empty at kick-off."

People have to get nice and liquored up before watching that mess. Can't afford to get drunk enough inside the stadium.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 19, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Since Sherm hasn't called the plays for the Redskins in a game yet, I won't judge him.

He can't be any worse than Zorn, and perhaps he'll even install some new wrinkles this week for JC or TC, whichever one ends up starting.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully he'll start by letting the qb call audibles.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 19, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Right on PA -- F* the WCO! Play Stillers/Ravens football. Zorn calls 3 consecutive passes from the 10 after CP's run. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

You just ripped off 78 yards, they're tired, line up and stuff it down their throat. Either run exactly the same play again, or run misdirection from the same formation.

It's a mystery to me that a guy who played QB for all those years, and who spent so much time coaching on the offensive side of the ball, has absolutely no feel for playcalling. None.

And when Fred Davis is running all over the field by himself, doesn't tell the QB to throw him the GD football. If Davis doesn't catch it, that's a different problem.

Zorn also doesn't seem to adapt -- when guys are uncovered, he seems to assume that the defense will fix that on the next play. Instead, they've figured out that JZ won't get him the ball, so they can double Moss and Cooley. J! F! C!!!

The offense isn't as bad as they look. Nobody is that bad.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

So, if Sherm Lewis is now calling plays, what does OC Sherm Smith do with his time?

Posted by: kingbonehead | October 19, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is undoubtably gone soon but we will still suck with this FO...that being said, a change needed to be made as far as playcalling and I dont know that Sherm will do better but you cant do much worse can you?

Posted by: scottmando | October 19, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

how can one analyze QB play and play selection behind this O line??

unfairly

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:57 AM |

pab,

Blaming everything on the o-Line is stupid JC had plenty of time yesterday, the two TD passes he missed he was protected. He was sacked once and hit only once the entire halve.

TC also had time the 3 missed passes after portis run he had great protection.

I'm not saying the o-Line is good, but they wern't the reason we lost the game yesterday.

There were QB's yesterday who were getting killed, and were still able to put up big points Flacco being one of them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I guess we are going back to the conventional wisdom that a West Coast offense has problems in the muck and gray of the east.
Short quick passes with a wet nasty ball. FAIL.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Does the following conversation sound like it was taped inside the walls of Redskins Park recently?

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 19, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

@chris larry....

Snyder and Cerrato didn't pick Fassel because of the uproar across Redskins Nation that he would be the next HC. Him, Snyder, and Cerrato got along well.

Then Fassel blamed the bloggers on the JT Show because he said, he already had a foot in the Redskins HC door and approved of Zorn as the OC.

Also, we can't blame Vinny for this. We all were on a wait-n-see mode with Zorn and We all gave him the benefit of the doubt, even after the 'MArron and Black' comment.

Did you see that great catch DT11 made in the 1st half? That was a GREAT LAYING OUT YOUR BODY CATCH.

Too bad JC17 couldn't throw it IN BOUNDS!!

I call B.S. on the Vinny firing, unless Snyder thinks he has to pull this card out now in order to pull the fans back in.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

dpc, agreed on the playcalling there after the big run by portis, you stick betts/mason in there with fresh legs, and you catch the defense tired, run no huddle to tire them out even more. its the little things that this coaching staff doesn't get....

did I see that the Chiefs fired their WR coach either over the weekend, or something like that?? Why aren't we doing things like that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Example of BAD PLAYCALLING BY ZORN : 3rd QTR in the Red Zone, 2nd down from the 10. Zorn calls for the fade pattern to Randel El..Randel El??? isnt that supposed to go to a tall receiver?? and the worst part about the call is that its a TIMING pattern....now, if TC has been practicing with the 2s and ARE has been with the 1s...How in the HELL are they gonna have a timing pattern down???

Posted by: scottmando | October 19, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Too bad JC17 couldn't throw it IN BOUNDS!!"

It was a shame. But give him more shots down the field.

I was sitting in the endzone and the wind carried that ball 10 yards to the right at least. I can't really fault them for not connecting on the 1st attempt.

Don't abandon the long-ball.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Did you see that great catch DT11 made in the 1st half? That was a GREAT LAYING OUT YOUR BODY CATCH"

4th, this is what I'm talking about. So DT make that catch albiet oob, and then they never run a play for him again the rest of the game....its blows my mind...same thing with Moss, catches a 42 yard pass, then......bupkus....Davis 12 yards and a first down....nada afterwards....

Lather
Rinse
Repeat
Redskins football, doing the same dumb things since 2007....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I was simply passing along what Boomer said as a tidbit. Although I really am not buying anything you are selling, you spin more than "the media" does. Which is admirable as a better fan than the rest of us...

And we better hope Snyder cans Vinny. Snyder, while I detest him, is the owner and I have to deal. So I have to root for Snyder to change his ways, which is at least is percentage wise more likely to happen then him selling. So in my skins obsessed delusion that means that he is must be close to canning him. I see Vinny taking the play calling away but not firing him as a hail mary move to save his own "WCO Offense is the way to go" power play post Gibbs. It is widely reported/known that Vinny has wanted WCO move for a long time.

So if/since this is blowing up bad....empty stadiums, cheap tix, bad press, fans turning back, laughing stock of league...then maybe Snyder gets it and says..."wow one obvious move is open to me to try to nurse the goose that lays golden eggs back to life"

How about this 4th, let me have my "lesser" fan delusions and I will let you have your "true fan" delusion that Heyer is good.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Example of BAD PLAYCALLING BY ZORN : 3rd QTR in the Red Zone, 2nd down from the 10. Zorn calls for the fade pattern to Randel El..Randel El??? isnt that supposed to go to a tall receiver?? and the worst part about the call is that its a TIMING pattern....now, if TC has been practicing with the 2s and ARE has been with the 1s...How in the HELL are they gonna have a timing pattern down???

Posted by: scottmando | October 19, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The thing that makes me so mad is that Marko Mitchell fights for balls and he's on the bench. He is a tall guy that gets position on defenders. He is the only one that should be getting the fade routes. Until we figure that out we will be stuck kicking field goals. You have to throw into coverage in the red zone. It's imperative to have a guy that can fight for the ball.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If one watched every game I would bet every coach makes a handfull of questionable calls every week.

QB's throw bad passes every game every week

RB's fumble occasionally.

PLayers get hurt in every game every week

But, for a GM to ignore his O line for ~5years, that you won't see happening on any other team.

forgot to metion saints dominated the Giants, :-)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

As a parent, I'm thrilled to hear that the Skins will have Sherri Lewis as a play caller!

I am soooo looking forward to seeing Lambchop and Hushpuppie with their own little headsets.

Finally, family entertainment that's almost as good as a trip to Six Flags. Thanks, Uncle Danny!!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 19, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

catching the end of the bills jets game, the bills have 3 rookies starting on their OL.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

If one watched every game I would bet every coach makes a handfull of questionable calls every week.

"QB's throw bad passes every game every week

RB's fumble occasionally.

PLayers get hurt in every game every week

But, for a GM to ignore his O line for ~5years, that you won't see happening on any other team."

B-I-N-G-O

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 19, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

cL,

It wasn't really directed @ you...But @ Boomer, on of my favorite Non-Redskins growing up when young.

No deal on the last part.

I am willing to see Vinny let go. But, I am at a point where I refuse to believe it until it happens. How I 'heart' to go back to Air Coryell and any descendants of it. (Norv will be available in the offseason....I kid, I kid....)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Lets look for laughs. Some of my faves from yesterday:

- Zorn attempting to ask for instant replay about who got fumble recovery underneath 8 player pile-up. And the refs being like "Bro you sure?"

- Waste of uniform Fred Davis peacocking and chest bumping like a fool after he bumbled for a first down as the 3rd check down.

- Laron Landry missleing himself at guy who already was hit and missed catch, thus taking himself out of position for huge INT.

- AH, who did play well, doing his usual fish flop. Dude has the theatrics down.

- Heyer's best play of the season...a tackle on a turnover.

- Losing a game to the leg of Mr. Irrelavent.

- Add yours here.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Thought on Jim Zorn.

He will be a coach again, for the UFL's expansion teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Just as bad as Dan and Vinny hiring Zorn as HC is Zorn hiring his good buddy and yes man Sherm S. as his OC. Neither guy had experience at their current position. And Stump his other yes man as RB assistant-head coach. Our offensive coaching staff is not very good. with the exception of Buges who doing what he can giving the players he has. Unlike our Defense where we have experience coaches at all positions even an ex-DC (Gray) coaching the corners. I think Zorn deserves all he's getting now because he brought his friends in for a payday from Danny without an regard for their qualifications. And no regard for the Redskins and their fans. Zorn arrogance has cost this team and has set the skins back a few years. I think they realize this and that why they hired Sherm L. Had Zorn not let his ego control his thinking he would have seek an experience OC to help him from the start. He could have gotten a recommendation from Holdgrem. Just as an example Tomlinson in Pitts. a new coach was a DC. He didn't try to get his friend paid he stuck with LeBeau as DC and we all know what Pitts. D is like he also has a experience OC. So Zorn has a lot to answer for as far as the offense not being good. You can't blame Dan for everything.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

it seemed windy, we defered the toss, punts were wobbling, and passes we're floating

in fairness that Campbell to moss pass did hit Moss in the hands, would've been a tough grab, but he did appear to get both hands on the ball, not uncatchable.

asside from Collins 1 downfield pass, no one was open for him either

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

With less then 20 seconds to be a hero, Todd Collins starts to run with the ball in his end zone rather than try and pass it.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else get the feeling Zorn thinks that the red flag is like magic fairy dust that allows coaches to get their way once a game?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

@Alex - The UFL is looking for Offensive Minded Coaches.....Zorn wouldn't be a good fit.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So when you want to blame Portis...Blame Stump
So when you want to blame Campbell...Blame Zorn
So when you want to blame the lack of red-zone scoring...Blame Sherm S.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Yes, actually you can blame Dan for everything. Jim Zorn is not qualified to be a coach in the NFL. Vinny Cerrato is not an experienced GM, and is not qualified to make personnel decisions. That's enough to turn a good franchise into a loser.

Posted by: dhenken1 | October 19, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I dont comment much on the board however, I just want to point out if it hasnt been said yet, that Vinny and Snyder's original intent was for Jim Zorn to be our offensive Cordinator, yet it is the same people who are stripping him of this duty of calling plays. These are the two men who told Joe Gibbs Zorn is going to be a good head coach one day.

Posted by: LoyalOpposition1 | October 19, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

- Add yours here.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM

CBS breaking away to show us the Ravens game.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

In a similar situation Campbell hit Moss for a 59 yard TD, so your wrong

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse
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Not really. Almost identical pattern in the first half and Campbell throws a poor pass at Moss' feet. An accurate throw and it might have been a TD. He's rarely hit those open WRs deep throughout his career. There have been instances where Moss has beaten his man by 5 yards or more and Campbell overthrows him by 15.

Campbell has terrible down field accuracy and touch, even when he does have time to throw. Not anything you can blame that on other than Campbell.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

From the Bog:

Then there was Mary Stevens from D.C., a season-ticket holder for 15 years who tried starting a "Sell the Team" chant on her way out.
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Sweet! Someone did try that chant after all! Too bad it didn't catch on.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yes, actually you can blame Dan for everything. Jim Zorn is not qualified to be a coach in the NFL. Vinny Cerrato is not an experienced GM, and is not qualified to make personnel decisions. That's enough to turn a good franchise into a loser.

Are you say Zorn is not qualified because he wasn't a coordinator? Well look at these recently hires who weren't coordinators.

Mike Smith..ATL..defense line or something
The guy in B'more..a special teams coach.
Fat dude in Miami...an O-line coach.
And I sure there's more I just can't think of them now...What make a person qualified to be a HC?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Then there was Mary Stevens from D.C., a season-ticket holder for 15 years who tried starting a "Sell the Team" chant on her way out.
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Sweet! Someone did try that chant after all! Too bad it didn't catch on.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 10:35 AM

Yeah, because that really would have motivated Dan Snyder to put up the "For Sale By Owner" sign.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Snyder and Cerrato didn't pick Fassel because of the uproar across Redskins Nation that he would be the next HC. Him, Snyder, and Cerrato got along well.

Then Fassel blamed the bloggers on the JT Show because he said, he already had a foot in the Redskins HC door and approved of Zorn as the OC.

Also, we can't blame Vinny for this. We all were on a wait-n-see mode with Zorn and We all gave him the benefit of the doubt, even after the 'MArron and Black' comment.

Did you see that great catch DT11 made in the 1st half? That was a GREAT LAYING OUT YOUR BODY CATCH.

Too bad JC17 couldn't throw it IN BOUNDS!!

I call B.S. on the Vinny firing, unless Snyder thinks he has to pull this card out now in order to pull the fans back in.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:04 AM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wow. Just...wow.

Ok, you don't agree with the idea of firing Vinny. Fine.

But let me ask you this: if it really was a result of listening to the media that led Ceratto and Snyder to NOT hire the coach of their choice, what does this say about the FO management structure of this team? In my opinion, an excellent GM with a strong belief about what they think is best for the team is not going to allow coaching decisions to be based on the opinion of bloggers.

And so...what then is the "BS" you are calling about the idea of firing Vinny Ceratto? Do you think Ceratto is a first rate (i.e. excellent, i.e. one of the best in his field) GM?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 19, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

And I sure there's more I just can't think of them now...What make a person qualified to be a HC?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

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In the case of Snyder, I think he tried to make that kind of hire with Zorn. He needs to either hire a GM to hire the next coach or play it safe by hiring a guy you know's a good coach because they have the Superbowl rings to prove it. Fortunately there are plenty of those available right now.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Sweet! Someone did try that chant after all! Too bad it didn't catch on."

I was there and the mood was apathetic. Which, in the end, might be worse than starting chants.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 19, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else get the feeling Zorn thinks that the red flag is like magic fairy dust that allows coaches to get their way once a game?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:27 AM

You're being atypically charitable, CL. I don't think the man has a clue. It started with "Maroon and black" and that was the high point.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Why Sherm Lewis and not Sherm Smith who has been involved since last season and has not had the opportunity?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 19, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The way Zorn was hired was strange to say the least, BUT his job of calling plays and leading the team has been AWFUL! You look at the defense after Blache came out and said what he did. EVERY week you see young players making plays, guys improving and developing, and the biggest thing, CHANGING YOUR SCHEME AND PACKAGES TO HELP THE PLAYERS PLAY AT THEIR BEST!! This orginzation is rotten from the top down, but the failure of the offensive coaches to improve and or change is what's the most troubling.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | October 19, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

On another note. Rich Eisen of NFL network was talking about Tom Brady and the Pats tonight. He was saying that Brady's 5 touchdown passes in the 2nd quarter was a record and no one has ever done it. But I seem to remember a certain Doug Williams throwing 5 in the second quarter of super bowl 22. What the hell is Rich thinking? Or whoever does his research?

Posted by: chillsonic | October 19, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Nope Timmy Smith ran for 1 of the 5 TD's in that quarter in the Superbowl.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | October 19, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

- Add yours here.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM

Dirty 30 completely whiffing on a kill shot on Larry Johnson in the 3rd/4th quarter. He just ran through shot as LJ kept trucking by.

Presumably he's trying to burnish his highlight real for when he looks for a trade?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 19, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Why Sherm Lewis and not Sherm Smith who has been involved since last season and has not had the opportunity?

Posted by: pennstate1 |

What? Sherm S has been a part of this fiasco from the start. he's in on every meeting/offensive planning sessions what ever. So to say he hasn't had a chance is ridiculous. If he's there as an OC then he should be coordinating things and this offense is un-coordinated. I'm sure when the game plan is put together he puts his two cents in and him being such good friends with Zorn I'm sure he speaks his mind. ShermS. is not going to make things any better or he would have been giving play call duties already.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

FIRE SALE!!! Trade deadline looming, make us an offer! No reasonable offer refused.

We should go into the draft with 10-15 picks.

Posted by: fzone | October 19, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Lets take a step back for a sec...As a now long suffering O's fan, the last thing you want for an owner is a penny pinching, meddler...Peter Angelos has killed that franchise..There is hope for Snyder, if he can only become what Cooke was, an owner that wrote the checks for a quality GM and coach. Lets face facts..Cerrato is the guy that built the roster, made no picks on the O-Line the past two yrs...I predict that Cerrato will be gone after this season, and Snyder will see the errors of his ways...Keep the faith..I knows its hard...But this well maybe what we need to save this team...Dont wish for a new owner because you might get someone who talks of leaving town or puts a Detriot like product on the field every yr...There is a young Bobby Beathard out there..Hell maybe even bring Bobby in to run the search

Posted by: Jatchi8577 | October 19, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

He needs to either hire a GM to hire the next coach or play it safe by hiring a guy you know's a good coach because they have the Superbowl rings to prove it.
Posted by: dfbovey

I agree with the GM part but he should be very careful with the SB coach part. Some of these guys win with OPP (other peoples players)....
Chuckie..I hear a lot of people wanting him...he's down wit OPP
Holgrem...just don't like him...he wishes he could get OPP.
Shananhan...he's OPP
Cowher...He'd be good but we would have to be patient and these Skin fans are not patient.
Dungy..would be the best because he has built TWO CHAMPIONS..although Chuckie took all the credit for ONE..patient need hear also.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Collins never got any snaps this year, even in the preseason. Even without snaps, he was better than Campbell.

Posted by: getitritegov

Collins played in pre season and looked about like he did yesterday, don't make up stories

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

You're right. I stand corrected about Collins in the preseason. But, 13 completions out of 20 passes in the preaseason for games against the Steelers and Ravens, in my opinion, does not qualify as enough reps. Not practicing with the first team day after day since this summer also does not qualify as enough quality reps. Campbell should be better is all I'm saying.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato needs go. He made the choice to hire a WCO coach even though he knew we didnt have WCO personnel. We were not in a rebuilding mode at the time this hire was made, we were a playoff team. I for one would welcome Joe Gibbs as team president, look at his track record, every thing he has done has been successful, first stint as NFL coach, NASCAR, and even his second stint as coach. Now I know alot of you will bash me for saying his second stint was sucessful, but look at the state of this franchise when he took over, it was chaos, but in his second season we went to the playoffs, sure he wasnt as a good a coach the second time around but he was smart enough to surround himself with the right people. IF and I know its just wishful thinking but IF he was given the team presidents job I do believe he would fix things. The man is smart enough to hire the right people for the right jobs and to let them do their jobs. Think about it, the only stability this franchise has had over the past ten years was when he came back, and if the powers that be had listened to him and stuck with the program he had started we wouuld probably be winning right now. Cerrato needs to go. He was given his chance when Gibbs retired, and it didnt work. Hopefully Snyder realizes this and Cerrato will be gone after this season. The man is not an idiot, anyone who is a self made millionair like him at his age is not an idiot, so hopefully he will make the nessasary changes. I think even he realizes now that the only way he will keep the fans is by getting rid of Cerrato. The owner wants to win, we all know that, but he needs to get someone who will save him from himself. There is only one person at this point that can do that. Gibbs. If he would take the job. I dont think Joe Gibbs would be a good GM but I think he would be an outstanding President who could assemble an awesome front office. With Gibbs in place to save Snyder from himself I believe we could get a good GM and a Good HC. I believe the only way we can get anyone credible to come to DC is by hiring Gibbs as the team president.

Posted by: hudginsc | October 19, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Teams have figured this out about the offense: 1) Mike Sellers is another offensive lineman and defenses can ignore him in the running game or passing game, 2) when Betts is in the backfield, the play is a pass, 3) play bump and run coverage on the wide receivers because Campbell can't hit the deep pass, 4) man to man coverage is good enough for any wide receiver not named Moss or Cooley because Campbell won't throw to them, 5) line up three pass rushers over a tackle and 9 times out of 10 it will result in a sack, 6) on first down, key on Portis, 7) on 3rd and long play 3 deep zone and Campbell will always bite on the underneath guy short of the first down.

This is enough info for any defense to shut Washington down. If silly old arm chair QB RedSkinHead can figure this out, I have to believe every defensive coordinator in the league knows this as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11, Too bad about that parlay. Let's see what the oddsmakers come up with this week. Last weeks Chiefs +6.5 stood out like a sore thumb on the board.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, that is not right. I agree that Zorn ought to be offered the opportunity to step down. This situation is obviously an owner-orchestrated coup and it gets ugly from here. Jim should resign and refuse to be involved in this public humiliation. If they let Todd Collins call the plays, whether he played or not, they'd be in a better position. Someone just off the street? That is a sign of complete disrespect. Zorn may not be a good offensive coordinator but he had potential to be a good Head Coach. I hope he realizes he stands a much better chance of winning, like Schottenheimer and Turner, elsewhere.

Man, it is going to get ugly quick. Just ask Terry Robiskie.

Posted by: DaktariImpossible | October 19, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

People seem to forget that the Redskins had intact a fully healthy veteran offensive line in 2007 when they went on a run with Collins. Portis passed the 100+ yard mark (I believe) in each of those games which set up a lot of play action passes. A QB with mobility is a NECESSITY given the current state of the O-Line. Collins is not the answer and is the most immobile QB in the league. If he starts next week against Philly, he gets knocked out in the 1st half and we'll be down to only JC.

Give JC a chance to start with a new person calling the plays that hopefully can mix it up. If the stinks up the joint, then bring Collins in to give the team a spark. I don't see the Redskins scoring few, if any, points against Philly regardless of the QB.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 19, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

who cares if it's Sherm Lewis, Sherm Smith, or Sherman Douglas calling the plays..either way it's 2-14. I plan on doing something more productive with my time other than watching this trainwreck play itself out. thanks Mr. Snyder for a wasted season.

Posted by: ralston21 | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty simple.

Jason Campbell as good or bad as he may be is our best quarterback. So play him. Drew Brees, Brady, Manning, etc would look pedestrian with the talent we have on offense. That being said, Campbell would have to play on the Ravens circa 2004(?) to be a championship caliber QB, which is to say he's not.

Clinton Portis has been washed up for about as long as the offensive line has been. I guess his questionable work habits have finally caught up to him and shortened his career. Funny, I've never seen pieces done on Clinton Portis' grueling off season workouts to be the best ala LT in San Diego. I would trade him for a draft pick or two in a heartbeat if there were actually any takers, which there isn't.

How many bad contracts can one team have on the roster? Portis, Samuels, Landry, Dockery, Albert, Carter, Hall, the three receivers from last years draft (a dollar is too much for those guys), Randle El and on and on.

Might be easier to list who actually deserves their paycheck. Doughty, Moss - maybe, Cooley, Fletcher, Orakpo, Daniels - for having a warrior mentality at least, Horton. That's about it.

Sad from top to bottom and classless to boot!

Have we hit rock bottom yet? I don't think so.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If life were fair Coach Zorn would resign and the whole coaching staff would resign in protest leaving "The Danny[PATCH SNYDER] TO APPOINT Cerrato as Head Coach to couch-em Up. Lets then see what Cerrato can do with the Product he and Snyder have put on the field??

Zorn never had a chance.The personnel are not there to install a west coast offence. The young receivers are in a word "dumb" cannot learn the plays and if they did they can't execute them. We got a big mouth primi-donna at running back who is friend of OWNER who should be benched unless he can practice during the week and be told to shut his f-en mouth. Campbell has no spark[leadership] and does not excite his team or the fans and has had enough time to develop--admitted his development has been under trying circumstances.

The Skins have been on a downward spiral since Danny[Patch]Snyder bought them and became his own GENERAL MANAGER. Year after year he PATCH"s the team with over the hill stars whose former teams are glad to part with. They come with bad attitudes are out of shape[Hanesworth] sucking oxygen every other play on the side lines. They take Snyder's money and go into retirement.Snyder is star obsessed likes to play the big man around his Star Flunkies [Tom "has been" Cruise etc. etc.

If and until Redskin ticket holder's Boycott by giving up their tickets we cannot expect to take back our team from the worst owner who has ever been an NFL OWNER. This guy makes Al Davis look good.

We can continue to suffer at the hands of this awful owner or we can fight back. IF YOU FAIL TO FIGHT BACK YOU DERSERVE WHAT YOU GOT.

Posted by: duckyjimpond | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ALL TICKET HOLDERS FOR THE NEXT HOME GAME SHOULD STAY HOME AND SEND A MESSAGE TO snyder. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR B.S. AND WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE ANYMORE.

STOP MEDDLING IN PERSONELL DECISIONS A SUBJECT WHICH YOU HAVE ABSOULUTLY NO TALENT FOR AND HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER AND FIRE THAT AWFUL minny vinny cerrato. And by the way snyder do us all a favor and SELL our team to a responsible new owner and for gods sake stay out of all sports. Find a different kind of toy to play with you don't belong in sports.

Posted by: duckyjimpond | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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