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Making a Case for Rock Cartwright

While sitting in the press room the other day working on some stuff, I heard Barry Svrluga say, "Wow, a lot of these people really want Rock gone." When my guy from Duke talks, I listen, so I turned to my right to find out what Barry was talking about.

Sure enough, Barry was reading some comments on the Insider - most of which were bashing Cartwright. From what we could gather, some fans would want anyone (Anthony Alridge, Dominique Dorsey, Marcus Mason, Marcus Welby ... ) other than Cartwright in the third running back slot.

People were going on and on about Cartwright, which really surprised us. Cartwright is not the fastest guy in the world, but he's a standout on special teams. He finished fourth in the NFC in kickoff return yards (1,307) and sixth in return average (25.6) last season. He is a leader on teams and one of the people coach Danny Smith relies on most. Every successful team has a guy like Rock Cartwright on its roster.


"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

For what it's worth.

By Jason Reid  |  September 2, 2009; 3:00 PM ET
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Comments

Gotta keep Rock.

Posted by: johntaylor2 | September 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

This is the First time I've cared enough to be first... Rock is the only dependable thing abou the Skins... Jeez

Posted by: JHvet1 | September 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

4th? shoulda been first...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I shoulda been too.... dang.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think we saw shades of things to come in last weeks game. Good Defense, improved offense and some major SJK stuff on Teams.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Dik, this goes back to the earlier discussion about "straight tard" or rejoicing in people's death or misfortune immediately thereafter. Its not about being "PC" but about simple courtesy and respect for other humans. Now get a hair cut and shave ... and while you're at it, change your race ... and your gender (wait, bad example).


Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 1:18 PM

And it's about dcsween's monopoly on determining what can and can't be posted when and by whom. When it comes to "courtesy and respect for others" there's no greater judge than dcsween. Of course, he can set the guidelines but he's not obligated to follow them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Those other guys aren't proven in the NFL. And we don't need Devin Thomas returning kicks and getting hurt.

Posted by: johntaylor2 | September 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

People saying no to Rock are crazy.

- Mason can't tackle
- Aldridge and Dorsey would get slaughtered if touched...

good points from Coach Smith

Posted by: carsonspence | September 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I hear Indy is going to replace Peyton with Tyler Thigpen because they feel the Manning just isn't mobile enough and is getting up in years anyway...

Just kidding. But you watch, somebody here will pick that up and repeat it elsewhere.

The idea is to make the team better THIS season, not next. And the old guys are often the way. George Allen knew it; so does Belichick.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I am for keeping Rock if we can release Betts.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

...now i would entertain offers on Betts to see what could be had in return e.g. OLine, CB, LB

would rather give up Betts spot than Cartwright's AND i'm a huge fan of Ladell.

Posted by: carsonspence | September 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Again leave the FO moves to the professionals. Leave the beer swilling, beer induced urinating, DirecTV purchasing, Snyder bashing, Portis/Cooley/Moss/Orakpo mancrushing, Romo hating, Eli taunting, Andy Reid mocking and player cursing to the fans.

Posted by: lavararrington | September 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I had this posted on the previous post but I will post it here again. I have the Skins winning at least 10 games. Maybe more. See what you guys think.

at NY Giants - L
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - L
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - L
at Atlanta - L
Denver - W
at Dallas - L
at Philadelphia - W
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - W
Dallas - W
at San Diego - L


Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I would want to trade Betts for O Line help & used one of the 3 for a scat back on gadget downs.

Hey - what about ARE as the scat back?! jk...kinda...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Sween is all class TE, so your dig was straigh.....whoops I am going to try to refrain from that phrase.

But sween def lives by his own code. Also if you had read, you would have seen that he was sensitive to an insult that struck close to an ailment his own son has....but yeah what an a-hole....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Again leave the FO moves to the professionals. Leave the beer swilling, beer induced urinating, DirecTV purchasing, Snyder bashing, Portis/Cooley/Moss/Orakpo mancrushing, Romo hating, Eli taunting, Andy Reid mocking and player cursing to the fans.

Posted by: lavararrington | September 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Did you vote yes or no for keeping Rock?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Rock's a great guy, but I live and die by the following when it comes to sports:

"Love the jersey, not the player"

Each guy on the roster knows there's a tipping point where his once needed skills suddenly make him unnecessary once there are other guys on the roster who can perform them.

Rock is weighing the roster down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Didja know Peyton Manning only average 1.1 yards per carry last season?

The guy's obviously past it. Cut him.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

This new radio station has been talking about Redskins Scalping Faux Pas for like 5/6 hours now. Can we move forward? talk about tomm game and final 53?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse


Isn't that the station with BMitch and LaVar?

I'm waiting for the debut of the Antonio Pierce & Derrick Frost show featuring Charley Casserly...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a lot of these people really want Rock gone, but a lot of people really do want to see some serious rushing yards on offense.

It's really what makes fans say really stupid things like Portis really sucks, which he doesn't of course, it just really seems like it sometimes, because the running game isn't really running is it? Really.

I really, really hope the WCO succeeds, but gosh darn it I grew up watching the Skins beat people with the power running game. So that's all I really have to say really, except I really hope we win some games this year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It's because the avg football fan doesn't understand who's valuable on special teams and who's not. Rock is critical to our special teams, end of story.

Posted by: tonytroese | September 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I wish it was Betts on the bubble...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh & Sween, I get where you're coming from. I have ultimate respect for life, love & all peoples. But that respect includes humor - especially non-pc humor. It's not meant as an actual insult. (I actually like JlaC quite a bit.) But as a means of community. If we can all be taken down a peg, then we're all more human, more alike, than unlike.

Except in your case [ :-| . see? I did it again...

It's like a Don Rickles thing, not a Dice Clay thing.

Don Rickles says "You SJK"
Dice Clay says "SJK You"

... does that make sense?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's my beef with Rock:

What does he give us as an RB?

I understand what he gives us as a lockerroom guy.

I know what he gives us on special teams.

But last year when Betts went down, we had to go out and waste a roster spot on Shaun Alexander - SHAUN ALEXANDER - to be a backup RB.

What does that say about Rock's capacity to be an RB in this offense?

In today's league you need to use your backup RBs alot (injury, platoon, spells). If your 3rd RB isn't a guy you are gonna trust to play the RB position, then there is a problem.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a lot of these people really want Rock gone, but a lot of people really do want to see some serious rushing yards on offense.

I don't see that happening this year or any year until they upgrade the offensive line and Portis retires.

My gut feeling is its going to be short passes to set up the big play and the run.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

but yeah what an a-hole....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:14 PM

I can read what's posted and I can form my own opinion. Not really important whether you or dcsweeny agrees with me or not. But, keep bringing your girlie-slap name calling. Wouldn't be a cl post without it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Arrrgh - we're still arguing the 3rd string RB?!??!!

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bljejbj.

bjkf.

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I wish it was Betts on the bubble...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009

All four may be on the bubble next year. They need to get younger. As does the OL.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

that girlie slap line is so lame....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rock


wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.....Boo freakin hoo!

Rock had his contract VOIDED and became a FREE AGENT 2 years ago. Vinny sat and waited for Rock to come crawling back for the same Vet Min deal he offered initially.


Someone tell me if I am misinformed or what?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Rock may "play four positions" but he only plays 1 well. And since our special teams have been anything but special for years now how much faith does anybody have in what Danny Smith thinks at this point? Rock is consistent on kick returns and part of consistently bad coverage units. Dorsey, Aldridge, DT, or Betts (who returned kicks for several years early in his career) all can replace rock on KRs and keeping Mason or Aldridge or both on the roster who may actually contribute on offense and give defenses one more thing to prepare for (something Rock doesn't do) is well worth it IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, & Jury...

sssoooooooo similar.

good pics.

I have:

at NY Giants - W
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - L
at Carolina - L
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - L
at Atlanta - L
Denver - W
at Dallas - W
at Philadelphia - W
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - L
NY Giants - L
Dallas - W
at San Diego - W

Make the playoffs.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I really think we need a change of pace back. I also think we really need Rock Cartwright for special teams. The easy solution is to go thin at linebacker and keep one more running back. In the end, we're not going to be that thin at any position because we have a bunch of guys that play multiple positions. So FO, make it easy, and keep one less linebacker. Even if that means draft picks Cody Glenn/Robert Henson don't make the team.

Posted by: brian58 | September 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Peri,
Yeah. I certainly agree, but I think that's the motivation behind all the anti-Rock sentiments.

Many people would like to know that there is a so-called franchise RB in-the-making on the roster waiting to take the reigns from Portis.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

beep beep. unless you're Periculum

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009

Sheesh the dearth of intelligent life forms here. Must a signal form the Rovers on Mars.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr, here is my take:

at NY Giants - W
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - L
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - W
at Atlanta - W
Denver - W
at Dallas - L
at Philadelphia - L
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - W
Dallas - W
at San Diego - L


12-4 and top of NFC East
anything less would be incivilized

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

periculum is either B.Mitch or Riggins

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr, here is my take:

at NY Giants - W
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - L
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - W
at Atlanta - W
Denver - W
at Dallas - L
at Philadelphia - L
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - W
Dallas - W
at San Diego - L


12-4 and top of NFC East
anything less would be uncivilized

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Rock is weighing the roster down."

I thought that was Mike Williams.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Alridge has one other angle. Shanahan.

Its not like the Cutler thing ... but if Vinny keeps the guy Shanahan recommended, the odds improve that Shanahan keeps Vinny in 2010.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

That being said, my thing was we needed 4 RBs (excluding Sellers). So, either put Mason or Aldridge on the team...

Just don't let Rock play offense if the game is still competitive.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

OK back to steve's requested fantasy blogga scouting report:

Talent Evaluator:

"If your league scores for number of posts you may want to add TE late in drafts. We can't say the quality will be high, but as an injury or bi-week replacement he could be a difference maker. If your league scores for humor value than he has potential to put up points in short bursts, but he also relies to heavily on the zinger with a low percentage of scoring with these. Achilles Heel: A uncurable misanthrope with little humility. Strength: A decent wordsmith and a long memory."

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Rock's good return stats speak for themselves. And you don't cut a team leader and intelligent player like him just so you can add the latest undersized speed back who beat up on 3rd stringers in pre season to be our THIRD STRING back.

People who want Rock gone probably like The Danny's philosophy of building a team as if it were fantasy football.

That management style also speaks for itself.

Posted by: smutsboy | September 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

periculum is either B.Mitch or Riggins

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009

Must be the special education classes on vacation this week.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

that girlie slap line is so lame....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:23 PM

lame? Oooh, another stinging girlie slap from cl.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Someone tell me if I am misinformed or what?

Posted by: 4thFloor

I don't think you're misinformed, so you must be 'what'

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The problem is not Rock...he does exactly what your 3rd RB should do which is to excell on Special Teams. The problem is Betts! He is just a dumbed down version of Portis that offers nothing new to the table. An ideal backup RB should offer a change of pace. I want Alridge on this team...he adds the change of pace back that is missing more then anyone else in camp.

Posted by: celts32 | September 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

- Aldridge and Dorsey would get slaughtered if touched...

Posted by: carsonspence | September 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Alridge (note spelling) is bigger than Darren Sproles -- and that guy seems to survive just fine in the NFL. No offense, but I'll trust Zorn & Shanahan's expert take on the guy over your first glance from your couch at home

Keep 5 RBs:
1. Portis (feature back, Pro-Bowler)
2. Betts (3rd Down Back)
3. Alridge (change of pace back, lots of 4th quarter carries when Defense is tired -- possible PR)
4. Cartwright (special teams ace)
5. Sellers (blocking FB)

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum is either B.Mitch or Riggins

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009

Must be the special education classes on vacation this week.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Would certainly explain the amount of time you have to post on here about 1)how the redskins are terrible 2)how portis is terrible 3)how not resigning Shawn Springs was a terrible off-season move.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

can Rock be kep as a special teams player only (assigned as 4th RB) to allow Mason in?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

can we bring back Joe Jacoby to play OL?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

if there's room for 5 RBs (Sellers the 5th) I'm all for keeping Rock. But if it comes down to keeping Rock or Mason/Alridge then bye bye Rock IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I have mentioned letting Rock go but only because they don't run the ball with him. Betts doesn't seem to cut it at all so I'd rather lose them both and start fresh. But I'd keep Rock over Betts. Betts had a few great games, a couple of those we lost also thanks to his fumbles. But lately he doesn't seem to pick up the yards when the matter and he is no faster or stronger than Portis. Lets see something different this year

Posted by: funbot | September 2, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

12-4 and top of NFC East
anything less would be uncivilized

Posted by: peaceful2008

You have us beating the Giants twice. I will take that anytime. Hopefully we can kick the Cowgirls butt twice too.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree trade Betts for whatever you can get for him and keep Rock and two out of the Mason, Aldridge, Dorsey group to replace him. (Preference to Mason and Aldridge)

Posted by: Veretax | September 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

If I were Zorn, I'd put turn off the injury setting, place all my guys with 95 speed or higher on the kick off teams and press L2 a lot when those other guys come at me.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

My solution was get rid of Wynn for a 4th RB. To me Rock is nearing the end of his career as is Betts. We need 2 new change of Pace RB's next year, a bruiser and burner would be great.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"I'd offer the alternative. This is his 3rd preseason with the team, and he hasn't locked up a spot on the roster. Why? Because of special teams.
That's the 'task' at which he's failed...that 'task' is his ticket to the 53, and he's yet to punch that ticket.

Posted by: 4-12"

That's fair. The resolution to this is relatively simple, though. Ladell Betts, who isn't and hasn't been playing much anyway, has performed all of Rock Cartwright's duties in the past. If Mason shifts to Betts' role as primarily a back-up runner, and Betts shifts to Rock's role as a special teamer (with the ability to run), you're not losing much, if anything at all in the special teams game, while upgrading in the running game.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think other teams are afraid of Rock running with the ball. Same thing with Betts.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | September 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I would cut Rob Jackson, and Probably Wyn too. I think we could get buy with fewer D-Line at the moment.

Posted by: Veretax | September 2, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

JReid: "When my guy from Duke talks, I listen..."

Here's where you went wrong. I want Rock gone even more now.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm a fan of the fantasy blogga scouting report. So far your evaluation is spot on.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

12-4? When you get done, pass it my way & let me get a hit. I'll trade you for some Doritos, you're gonna want some soon, trust me.I think 10-6 is doable if we improve on turnovers & stay pretty healthy.

As far as Rock, you can't go by last year's stats since this year the wedge is gone. Speed & shiftiness will get yards. Does that describe Rock? No, it doesn't. Aldridge, Dorsey, DT11, all probably will do better on kick returns than Rock this year.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I like having Rock on the team, but if it comes down to Rock or Alridge... I'm going Alridge all the way...

Rock always get caught from behind on kick returns... we need a guy who is a threat to take it back to the HOUSE... Rock is not...

Alridge MUST make this team... We need a big play threat... period.

(and stop calling him ALDRIDGE people... it's ALRIDGE.... seriously, learn the roster)

Posted by: BossmanJunior | September 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Would certainly explain the amount of time you have to post on here about 1)how the redskins are terrible 2)how portis is terrible 3)how not resigning Shawn Springs was a terrible off-season move.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009


Here's the fifty cents your mom wouldn't give you kid. Go buy yourself a popsicle.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

veratax. i agree. let's go thinner at d-line since orakpo and wilson play both. this allows us to have more packages on offense since we can keep a variety of backs on the roster.

Posted by: brian58 | September 2, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

LH,

did u watch that hbo doc about duke v unc bb? good stuff.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

C'mon guys, can't you be a lil more honest and just admit that Rock is one of the biggest sources of info to Redskins Insider?

It doesn't take a genius to see JLC and you all go to bat for him every year and over inflate his contributions

Posted by: right3 | September 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

C'mon guys, can't you be a lil more honest and just admit that Rock is one of the biggest sources of info to Redskins Insider?

It doesn't take a genius to see JLC and you all go to bat for him every year and over inflate his contributions

Posted by: right3 | September 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Vinny was on 980 today. While I only caught the end of it, he was quite emphatic that there would be no need to add depth at OL from other teams' cuts. He specifically praised BMW and Rhinehart. I was surprised that he so strongly emphasized that the OL was strong, and deep.

Posted by: zornskins2 | September 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

CL, definitely.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

By the way, that wasn't much of a case JReid. All you noted was that Rock plays 4 different special teams positions, 3 of which were part of bad units. He's a solid kickoff return man, which is a position notorious for rapid turnover, even with the best in the business.

I love Rock for all the things he's done with this squad over his tenure, but just like James Thrash, there comes a time when clear upgrades are staring you in the face. If this team can absorb the losses of Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, and Khary Campbell, it can sure as hell afford to lose Rock Cartwright.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

tanks mack1...i taking requests.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Also, not sure what to make of this but he did refer to the possibility of a 5th RB at least indirectly. He was talking about how to make the team, and said somethiing like when we are looking at a guy to be the 5th WR, or the 4th or 5th RB, special teams are critical etc. Doesn't sound like Mason to me.

Posted by: zornskins2 | September 2, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

NFC north, not NFC East, might be best division in the NFL - Peter King

Dude is a joke. He's got the Skins at 6-10 this year.

So a division that has the worst team in the history of the league, a team that goes winless, now is a power division on par w/ the NFC East!?

King is laughable.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 2, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's the fifty cents your mom wouldn't give you kid. Go buy yourself a popsicle.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Hold on to it, I have a feeling you need it more than I do.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Some one send an email to JReid telling him he is in Terp COuntry and hyping the Dukies will quickly get him on JLaC status with most hamsters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

UNC = Half-way decent state-supported higher education for people who got couldn't get into Duke

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Bring on the national football writers dire predictions...Skins always seem to exceed expectations when everyone says we suck....and than siht the bed when they ride our jock....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Skins always seem to exceed expectations when everyone says we suck.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:09 PM

Is this true? A lot of people say it up here. My impression is that everyone has been saying that we suck since before Dan Snyder bought the company, and that they've been right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr, here is my take:

at NY Giants - W
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - W
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - W
at Atlanta - W
Denver - W
at Dallas - W
at Philadelphia - W
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - W
Dallas - W
at San Diego - W

16-0 Seriously.. You all need to stop drinking the kool aid.. 9-7 would be a miricle!


Posted by: slimbo-Rice | September 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Rock Cartwright = Jason Reid

Not a real playmaker but dependable so you keep him around.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Some one send an email to JReid telling him he is in Terp COuntry and hyping the Dukies will quickly get him on JLaC status with most hamsters.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 4:08 PM

Ooops!

Duke=Good, expensive private education for people who couldn't get into Maryland.

(Don't want to get on 4th's bad side as he's one of the few friends I have left on the blog. I think.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

for the 2nd year in a row Zornskins fills his FF team with a bunch iggles, jints and cowpukes. How he lives with himself -- I just don't know

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I got no problems with you te....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Skins always seem to exceed expectations when everyone says we suck.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:09 PM

Is this true? A lot of people say it up here. My impression is that everyone has been saying that we suck since before Dan Snyder bought the company, and that they've been right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

We haven't sucked, but we also haven't been consistently good either. Winning a few big games here and there, squeaking in to the playoffs now and then does not equal exceeding expectations ever for a team that consistently signs the biggest names, has the highest payroll, and the biggest stadium revenue and fan support in the league. No team under the Snyder era has "exceeded expectations" when your on the list with the Chiefs as the only team in the last 19 years to not at least make their league championship game you're in bad straights.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

P1funk...I'm with you and the mothership on the Rock thing. People are like OMG..He's the king of ST. Whatev, dude. Our ST's blow. Can't wait to see this dude and Danny Smith gone.

Posted by: bostskin | September 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Reid is a West Coast guy and probably hasn't yet learned all the nuances of East Coast rivalries. How else could you explain his careless mention of Duke up here?

Guess he'll have to learn the hard way that you'd better "slurp the turtle" or whatever the appropriate/inappropriate term is.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think it is a good thing that this year the Redskins are talking about having to make tough decisions about cutting players who might contribute on other teams... Haven't had that recently where we were talking about cutting NFL players.

I think that if we put Chase on the PS there's a chance that a QB poor team will sign him. Same with a couple of the DL guys. And I'm not sure that it wouldn't happen with one of the RB's...

I don't know what to say about Rock. I have been a BIG defender of his and his contribution at kick return. Always North/South and always putting us in good starting position. And Coach Smith is prob right, that we don't realize what else he does well on the other "teams". So from that standpoint, he's prob a lock for make it.

Before I read that, I wouldn't have been surprised if he had not made the squad in favor of someone who could add at the RB position too (my vote is for Dorsey -- we NEED a good punt returner).

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr, here is my take:

at NY Giants - W
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - W
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - L
at Atlanta - W
Denver - W
at Dallas - W
at Philadelphia - W
New Orleans - L
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - L
Dallas - L
at San Diego - L

Here's my take.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

t_e, for what it's worth, you can count me among your blog friends, though I sometimes scratch my head about ya... and I must admit that's not too much of an hono(u)r given the very few people up here whose commentations I don't enjoy reading.

So you got 4th (maybe), Beantown Greg, and me... I guess that's somethin'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Weak. Laughing at a kid who gets decapitated at Six Flags and calling me the blog police for calling you on it (again). Am I the only one who remembers this? I'll skip on that fantasy blogger pickup b/c that long memory is selective.

I agree with the point about Mason as a S-teams tackler and, with the loss of K. Campbell and Thrash, special teams coverage (formerly a strong point) is looking way week.

Most chillng thing about JReid's post is that they are actually reading down here. Peeps complained about how JLC never read the comments (not that I blame him), but its downright horrifying that someone is paying attention.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate with the indirect slap to the Terps! Fear the Turtle.....

Anyway, while I did not atend the Univ MD College Park, I did go to 2 sister Schools and graduated from one of them (Bowie State). So, I guess I am a Terp Fan by default....

TE - We're still good...The only way to survive up here for more than a year is either grow thick skin or become as cynical as those you argue with.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that ... Maryland is top ranked for business types who want to be Entrepreneurs. Techno-geek land way over Duke.

It didn't used to be that way. Of course no one wanted to let out that UM was Internet 'R Us. Look what happened when they let the cat out of the bag?

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure the Redskins need to have consistent success on the field in order to earn the respect of the beg timey media peeps who promulgate predictions... but since I don't think the team has earned that respect, I don't sweat it that the team doesn't get respect in the form of positive predictions. (Except from Theismann.)

This is a local issue... nobody should really care about the preseason rankings except as a possible -- possible -- motivational device for the team itself. The chip on the shoulder, nobody believed in us, such as.

preseason rankings/predictions = power rankings

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I say you definitely keep Rock, and keep Marcus Mason as well. Rock is a beast on kick returns.

Posted by: azinat1 | September 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Reid, west coaster? Oh, yeah ... Cal Poly SLO thinks they are the top Engineering college ... they don't even have a decent library ... sigh ...

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

My impression is that everyone has been saying that we suck since before Dan Snyder bought the company, and that they've been right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 4:12 PM

Actually, we were JUST turning the corner with MY 90s REDSKINS. Norv finally started to churn out wins and we were the favorites of the Newspapers and TV shows. It went downhill with the signing of Dion and no one else. I was fine with Carrier, Centers, BSmith, and such as.....But Dion kilt us cap wise and some mo ish.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

power rankings are awesome.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see rock and betts gone and replaced by younger, faster talent.

I'm also strongly against paying betts and todd collins a couple mil a year to suck. Both of these players are riding short term success for long-term job security, despite both being terrible at what they are paid to do.

Posted by: ecale25 | September 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

*Blah*

I don't get Reid and his steady moaning and pissin' for Cartwright, I just really don't.

And F Danny Smith. The only reason he wants to keep Rock around is to make his special teams look better this year, which f-ing sucks right now anyway. I can't wait until he's no longer coaching special teams.. HE f-ing sucks!

I think I get it. Cartwright is one of Reid's locker room sources, and Danny Smith must be in jeopardy of losing his job this year so he wants to keep a special team stalwart (smh @ the notion) like Rock Cartwright around.

I can admit, Rock as of today, is a better special teams player than Mason. But Cartwright is too damn one dimensional for people to be crying over.

When the wedge was made illegal, Rock's career was finished... I can't for the life of me understand this constant pity-party for this guy... he tested the free agent and NOT ONE TEAM MADE AN OFFER TO HIM!!! NOT F-ING ONE!!!

Do you understand this Jason Reid and Danny Smith??? NOT ONE!!! So, tell us, what is it really that makes you cream for the Rock?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Devin Thomas sliding down on the WR depth chart hurts Rocks chances of making the team.

I would rather have Thomas return kicks and add another threat to our ground game.

The fact that there is a poll about keeping Rock is bad news for Rock, no matter how we vote.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Blogga scouting report:

Dcsween:

"Solid first round pick. Consistent scorer who tends to allow reason and logic dominate his posts. Good wit and funny use of references. We have noticed a slight change in his approach over the last year. He used to be above the fray and instead relied on humor to defuse tense exchanges. Now however he seems more willing to engage and muck it up with posters he obviously has grown tired of. We will see if this becomes a negative or positive in his scoring potential.
Achilies Heel: Could be a bit oversensitive to unsensitive language. Secret Weapon: The use of esoteric references that sends most posters scrambling for wikipedia"

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Devin Thomas sliding down on the WR depth chart

Um...after the pats game I'm not sure that this was a reality any longer....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Why cant we have Rock And Alridge??? Probably cant have Alridge and Mason though...

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

if there's room for 5 RBs (Sellers the 5th) I'm all for keeping Rock. But if it comes down to keeping Rock or Mason/Alridge then bye bye Rock IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 3:36 PM

This is the part where I get stuck about the "vision" for the team. I'm with Bugel that you run to win the game, you pass to score points ... that the NFC East is a rushing division. What I don't get is the idea of installing some version of a West Coast offense ... and why the RB decision-making wouldn't be driven by the RB's ability to catch, hang onto, and get YAC ... which means that Betts stays ... and the other 4 remain question marks at best.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Shock.

Your surprise shows how out of touch you mediots are with the pulse of the average Skins fan.

It's a shame you didn't bother to actually address any of the cogent arguments against keeping Rock that myself and several others have made here.

This is part of a recent pattern of articles you have trawled out basically as PR pieces for Rock. I don't get the agenda. Shouldn't you guys just worry about reporting and leave the cheerleading for the agents?

Rock is a swell guy, team player, great heart, rah rah rah. It's not heresy to suggest there are RB's on our roster who could help the team more, special teams or otherwise.

I almost wish they would cut the guy just to see you two stew in your baffled misery.

Posted by: McMetal | September 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 4th, doggone it, if we'd only given Norv seven more years we would have been golden... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

power rankings are awesome.

Posted by: psps23

By power rankings, you mean top ten lists...of cornerbacks with bad hands and calf injuries.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Time for a chuckle? Give this a look see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu8N2-bN1Gc&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Blogga scouting report:

ReDMV:

"We are suggesting this as a maverick first round pick. Is he risky? Of course, but the potential upside is huge. No one scraps like Red. He swears like a longshoreman and has no shame in adding family to insults. All appraoches score high. However he can tend to flame out and be reduced to babble if frothed up enough. Our stat guy say that his quantity to quality ratio is very high. Achilles Heel: tendency to let false bravado and machismo dominate some posts. Secret Weapon: Insightful football mind that calls situations as he sees them with no pro/anti Skins bias."

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they should draft Bryce Harper to play on the OL.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. American Rock Cartwrights are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, special teams like such as, uh, Marcus Mason and, uh, the Iraq, and Anthony Alridge everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our 3rd running backs over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help Dominick Dorsey and should help the Iraq, and the Ladell Betts, and the Asian countries, and the Aussie rules football, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | September 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Requests? How about Red CL. I'm looking for character guys to fill out an All- Aggressive Team.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"It's a shame you didn't bother to actually address any of the cogent arguments against keeping Rock that myself and several others have made here."

I probably missed those too.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

mack1, look at the speed of that turn around!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Cogent arguments? Please. I spit on your cogent arguments. Give me a poorly thought out, emotion laden screed any day.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if everyone starts posting in bold it will make the discussion that much smarter. Whoever posted at least the Fire Zorn guy gives us video. Nice.

Why can't Rock be the 4th RB kept. We keep all these extra LB's who are never gonna play at LB specifically for teams. He is important on teams and should be one of the 53, he doesn't need to carry the football ever.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm a fan of the fantasy blogga scouting report. So far your evaluation is spot on.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 3:54 PM

I was fearing mine more than anything (thanks for going easy on me, cL) ... I was thinking something like "Many scouts projecting early first round based on past flashes of brilliance, but dropping like a stone on many boards due to tired and predictable responses and late-career touchiness, non-football non-jibba jabba political posts, and large gaps in time with no posting at all (indicating he's letting "work" interfere with his blogging). Also, fast approaching a career total in posts after which many posters not named Eric Dickerson fade quickly."

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

" personally believe that U.S. American Rock Cartwrights are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, special teams like such as, uh, Marcus Mason and, uh, the Iraq, and Anthony Alridge everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our 3rd running backs over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help Dominick Dorsey and should help the Iraq, and the Ladell Betts, and the Asian countries, and the Aussie rules football, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.
Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina"

You forgot world peace.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Blogga scouting report:

BeantownGreg1:

Annoyingly redundant with the wait and see and show me the link talk. Never critical of Ashburn on or off the field, denies the decade of suckage and believes we are always wait and see from a championship.
Achilles heel: we've all been waiting and seeing for too long that the people in charge of our beloved team are incompetent and shouldn't even be in charge of a 7-eleven much less an NFL franchise.
Secret Weapon: made a bad bet Betts vs. Bradshaw and will be gone from the blog after this season....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Cogent arguments? Please. I spit on your cogent arguments. Give me a poorly thought out, emotion laden screed any day.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM |

You've come to the right place then.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

16-0 Seriously.. You all need to stop drinking the kool aid.. 9-7 would be a miricle!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice

So I picked 10. One more than you. Why is this a miracle? Who else in the NFC is better? I only see the Giants, Chicago and Minnesota probably better than us. NFC West and South doesn’t scare me. Atlanta is going to have a down year. And please don’t mention the Saints, no defense. I am not sure where I stand Green Bay. I am not totally sold on Aaron Rodgers yet. He did have a good year but let see what he does this year.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Cogent arguments? Please. I spit on your cogent arguments. Give me a poorly thought out, emotion laden screed any day.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM

Hence the high fantasy value of RedDMV.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

zj, wow....just wow.....

nicely done...ocd much....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Impressive CL.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Uh, fellas, I believe we're using "heel of Achilles" now, per the RI style guide.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Funny at the Duke comment, but you guys do realize that people in multiple states read this blog? I'm in West Virginia as it happens LOL

Posted by: Veretax | September 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

which Fantasy Blogga scouting report was better BG, mine or jacky-z?

(i ofcourse, think mine)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

So I picked 10. One more than you. Why is this a miracle? Who else in the NFC is better? I only see the Giants, Chicago and Minnesota probably better than us. NFC West and South doesn’t scare me. Atlanta is going to have a down year. And please don’t mention the Saints, no defense. I am not sure where I stand Green Bay. I am not totally sold on Aaron Rodgers yet. He did have a good year but let see what he does this year.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The Cardinals and Philly went to the NFC Championship, the Panthers are really strong, the Saints are always dangerous, Atlanta should be nasty this year, if Hasselback is healthy the Seahawks could be good too, 9-7 would be a great season for us.

at NY Giants - L
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - L
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - W
at Atlanta - L
Denver - W
at Dallas - L
at Philadelphia - L
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - L
Dallas - W
at San Diego - L

9-7

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

You people are kidding me right?cut Rock Cartwright?don't you guys realize he's the second coming of the almighty LEIGH TORRENCE,and our team will be damned if we don't keep him??

Posted by: jumbo5383 | September 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I love the way Rock Cartwright plays.

Danny Smith has a point, but it's f'ing miniscule, if you know what I mean. 4 positions? Gimme a break.

If Rock is on the roster to return kicks, he'd better be spectacular. His average of 25.6 yards/return was middle of the league. Compare him to Leon Washington of the Jets.
total returns Rock 51 Leon 48
Average Yards Rock 25.6 Leon 25.6
returns over 40 Rock 4 Leon 6
TD's Rock 0 Leon 1

But, here's the difference:
Rushes / YPC / TD: Rock 5 /2.8 / 0 Leon 76 / 5.9 / 6
Receptions / YPC: Rock 1 / -7 / 0 Leon 47 / 7.6 / 2

So, Leon and Rock returned just as many kicks, but Leon produced a total of 9 TD's while Rock produced a bagel.

What I'm trying to say here (besides "Leon" as much as possible) is that as a specialist, Rock is average, and doesn't contribute during the other 58 plays the team makes during a game.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Annoyingly redundant with the wait and see"

Yeah, because with both Kelly, and Thomas playing much better so far this year, this wait and see approach that I spoke of...turns out that was the right approach.....


"show me the link talk"
Yeah, because far be it for a stand up guy like yourself to come up here and lie through your teeth......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

... Atlanta is going to have a down year. And please don’t mention the Saints, no defense. I am not sure where I stand Green Bay. I am not totally sold on Aaron Rodgers yet. He did have a good year but let see what he does this year.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 4:47 PM

Saints bad defense is yesterday's news. Old calendar. Fear the Moobs of Grilliams. What changed (for the worse) in Atlanta? Also, yesterday on si.com (espn.com? nfl.com?), someone was breaking down the Packers and finding no flaws ... suggesting a sneak attack.

[Seriously, I only pay attention to other teams for FF and gambling purposes. I am totally a Skins guy. Weirdly, however, my blood is only red. That burgundy and gold bleeding that everybody does ... is that because they separate the platelets or something?]

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

which Fantasy Blogga scouting report was better BG, mine or jacky-z?

(i ofcourse, think mine)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

obviously yours, mine was made in complete jest, except for the bad bet of course.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Annoyingly redundant with the wait and see"

Yeah, because with both Kelly, and Thomas playing much better so far this year, this wait and see approach that I spoke of...turns out that was the right approach.....


"show me the link talk"
Yeah, because far be it for a stand up guy like yourself to come up here and lie through your teeth......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Expressing opinion or saying you've read something and not having the time to scour the net and provide some jerk with a link doesn't mean you're lying, people can be wrong and not liars, and people can be right and linkless....it happens....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

which Fantasy Blogga scouting report was better BG, mine or jacky-z?

(i ofcourse, think mine)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:51 PM

Its like Renaldo Wynn said a few years ago (before he got cut), its never as bad as it looks when you lose and its never as good as it looks when you win. Even the crappiest guy on the roster STILL made it to the roster of an NFL team. You take the good, you take the bad. Its all about timing. For these reasons, I vote the cL review.

[On actual read of what's going on in football (rather than posting per se), I do agree with zJack alot and I think I have him higher on my board than the "experts". I think this is his third year and it takes a while for a poster to hit his stride. I think its going to be a big year for him fantasy points-wise.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Never said that couldn't happen, but like I said zj, you're such a stand up guy that I'd like a little proof, a little concrete evidence of what you claim....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Vinny seems to like Aldridge, I say keep Rock. Our special teams already look kinda iffy without Thrash and Khary Campbell. Imagine what they would look like without Rock also. The coaches have shown they don't trust Rock as a running back, so just bite the bullet and keep Rock and Aldridge. Mason should not make the team, he's the same style back as Portis and Betts. Get rid of Betts if their is any trade value.

Posted by: meepres | September 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Blogga Scouting Report:

Storylines we are following in 2009

Beantown Greg vs zjfr2:

"Wow has the heat been turned up on this battle. Two bloggas enter one blogga leaves. These two have been long locked in an idealogical struggle that has left both bloodied and bruised. Both suffer from an almost obsessive need to continually argue the same point that its almost admirable....almost. About the bet, our view is that BG might have painted himself into a maroon and black corner here, but thats why they play the games.

Whoever wins(loses) our bookmakers give zero point zero odds that either leaves the blog. Jacky-z has threatened to leave many times only to return, and well RI is the only website BG's work will allow him to access."

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Thanks for remembering the style guide. Oh, if only others were like you.

Incidentally, where is the PDX?

Posted by: bostskin | September 2, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

He finished fourth in the NFC in kickoff return yards (1,307)

By Jason Reid | September 2, 2009; 3:00 PM ET

Jason Reid, why do you keep mentioning this statistic as if it means anything? Total yardage on kickoffs has much, much more to do with number of scores a team defense gives up (and thus, more kickoffs) and whether or not your team has 2 kick returners or one. Please stop mentioning this as some credit to Cartwright. It's beyond silly.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

haha, pretty accurate cl...nice work...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's my predictions for the first half:

NY Giants - How would I know?
St. Louis - Not a clue.
at Detroit - Who d'ya think I am, Karnak the Magnificent?
Tampa Bay - We win this one. Or not.
at Carolina - Clearly, win or lose.
Kansas City - I don't even know where Kansas City is. Didn't they move to Sacramento?
Philadelphia - I'm pretty sure we might possibly beat these guys.

There you go. So stop harassing me for predictions.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I am going to Vegas this weekend. I want to put money on 2 sleeper teams to make the Super Bowl. Like Arizona did last year. What teams would you guys pick?

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

dpc2003, your comparison of Rock to Leon reminds me of when JLC compared Portis to that other guy on the Jets (their main guy last year ... brain farating on his name right now). Not sure why I remember that or why I bring it up ... maybe another shot of joe would be in order ... back in a sec.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

nice post samson...i hate the preseason w/l thing...so dumb.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

thejury:

saints
texans

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Good point Barno1, same goes with the average / return. Yes, it was 6th in the NFC, but a lot of guys were within a yard or 2 of 25.6.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

So I picked 10. One more than you. Why is this a miracle? Who else in the NFC is better? I only see the Giants, Chicago and Minnesota probably better than us. NFC West and South doesn’t scare me. Atlanta is going to have a down year. And please don’t mention the Saints, no defense. I am not sure where I stand Green Bay. I am not totally sold on Aaron Rodgers yet. He did have a good year but let see what he does this year.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

New Orleans has made over their defense this year. They should be very good. Green Bay had a lot of injuries and Aaron Rodgers is for real. They will be good. The Vikings will be good too. Outside of those 3 I think anyone in our division could be good. I'm with you on Atlanta having a down year. They really didn't play anyone last year. Carolina has some injuries already. Tampa is rebuilding. The entire NFC west sucks. Detroit is not good. I don't think the Bears will be that good either. Looking at out schedule I think we go 11-5.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Laughing at a kid who gets decapitated at Six Flags and calling me the blog police for calling you on it (again). Am I the only one who remembers this?

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 4:22 PM

I never laughed at that kid. As I said, yesterday, I think you misremember it, and you can't seem to let go of your mismemory. You've brought it up gratuitously a couple of times lately. What, exactly did I write that in your mind constituted laughing at him or ridiculing him? Tell me because I'm not conceding your allegation.

Yesterday we had a guy up here literally laughing (HA HA were his words) at a player who had just broken his foot on his second day of practice. And he said the guy deserved to break his foot because he was "greedy." You were fine with that, but thought it was another opportunity to whack me because I had "ridiculed" the Six Flags kid. You're wrong, and unlike the poster yesterday I didn't laugh at the kid, and I didn't say he deserved it.

So, yeah, I think you're setting yourself up as the blog police -- telling people what's in bounds, what's out of bounds, and you seem to think that only you know. If I call a guy laughing at a man who broke his foot, well you tell me I have no standing because you think I laughed at a kid 16 months ago.

You used to represent -- accurately, I think -- that "I'm a lover, not a fighter" but I don't think you could claim that anymore the way you've been elbowing people for not posting according to the standards you think they should observe.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

[pressing F5, waiting for cL's barno report]

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I am going to Vegas this weekend. I want to put money on 2 sleeper teams to make the Super Bowl. Like Arizona did last year. What teams would you guys pick?

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Skins
Jets

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 5:07 PM

Short and sweet. I admire a man who says what he thinks and chooses his words carefully. You are an inspiration to all of us. Periculum, did you see this?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

cL, on Betts v Bradshaw, the payout is that the poster stops ... which I figure means that the name stops, not the actual fingers on the other end of the keyboard. Anyway, except in the case of injury, I see a return of "Greg(boston)" ... or maybe LawrenceGreg ... or LowellGreg ... or BrocktonGreg ... or some such

IN THE EVENT OF INJURY, however, could be the emergence of FatherofJacksKids.

Nobody posts up here because they have a choice of whether to post or not. Just that damb back monkey whispering "hey, what are they talking about up there?"

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

t_e, where did you go to school?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

What teams would you guys pick?

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with Cleveland Vs Robots from outer space.

Posted by: bostskin | September 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I would hate to see my fantasy blogga review. "Warming the bench again this year it's..., right wing vitriol..., etc. etc."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

sween, looks like your trojan horse is still screwing with the A.I.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

the author of the washing post story on redskins tickets was just interviewed on Washington Post Live and he said point blank that Jason La Confora was the person that presented the story to them.

Posted by: WhySoSerious | September 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

t_e, where did you go to school?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 5:12 PM

He's a Wrambling Wreck

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

which Fantasy Blogga scouting report was better BG, mine or jacky-z?

(i ofcourse, think mine)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 4:51 PM |

I think ALL of yours are pretty deft, cl.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, yes, good, I must have misremembered, sorry, I'm dropping it, will never mention it again.

[Typed like a fantasy blogger draft prospect watching his stock plummet b/c of the stick up his tunnel.]

On another topic, anybody else notice that every time you hit F5, the "Keep Rock" numbers keep going up and up?

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Sleeper teams to make the SB?

Chicago
Baltimore

Chicago has the easiest schedule in the league based on 2008 records. PGH has the 29th hardest, but this year I think the Ravens get by them in the playoffs.

BTW, I think Peter "Dumbazz" King's "NFC North rules" comment is designed to take advantage of this year's schedule. Chicago, GB, and MN play the 3 easiest schedules...


Posted by: dpc2003 | September 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Blogga Scouting Report:

Barno:

"The definition of a late rounder flier, especially as a handcuff to those owners with Nate in the PDX. Its important to have bloggas on your roster who do only one thing well. With Barno, its bash the WaPo. He will vulture points away from others who seek a sense of balance instead of singular vision. Most JLC h8ters cooled their jets during the dark days of ST#21'S death, but not Barno who hammered away like a bull shark on a chum line.

Barno has actually shot up our power rankings due to the fact that he is actually on 1/3 as annoying as the fake Barno.

Heel of Achilles: He rarely engages but instead drive by posts. In the olden days these would have been letters to the editor. This leaves him unable to score comeback points. Secret Weapon: This guy wields hypocrisy like a double edged battle axe.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

bostskin, hail to the washed up old English major. Here's to us and those like us... damned few left. Er, something along those lines.

PDX = Portland, OR. I've stuck with this dopey handle since way back in 2006 when I started posting comments up here.

There are a lot of our peeps in Boston. That's a city begging for a blog meet-up, I tell ya. If only my travels brought me out that way...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

PFT has a really long entry about the whole Redskins ticket "scandal". Too long to post here, but take a look when you get a minute.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Disclaimer: The rantings of RI lunatics expressed in this publication do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or beliefs of the Washington NFL fan base as a whole.

Seriously, Rock can (and Thrash could) tackle. He's been money.

Does the WaPo really think the comments here represent the views of readers accurately? Really?

Posted by: WorstSeat | September 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Rock is a true redskin. But, we need an explosive back behind Betts. I think they've depended on certain players to long and it's time to move on. He's no Brian Mitchell. He was explosive no matter where he played. I love having Rock but we need someone explosive that can break a game open with one play. One great return in a game can change the momentum. We need someone with speed, great vision, and elusive. This isn't a shot at rock.

Posted by: thetruth4real | September 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people die because they are stupid or do stupid things.

How I lived this long, considering some of the stupid things I did when I was young. I think there is a VA State Trooper still looking for that black Vette that went by him on the inner loop of the beltway right after the Tysons exit at 150mph. I could barely make out the cherry light coming on his big Chrysler.

My wife gets on me when I chuckle when someone gets hurt or dies doing something stupid, but as I say... I'm laughing at the ability of humans to do stupid things which seems infinite and unending.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

They say the Universe is infinite and bounded, but stupidity extends forever.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Or I could have remembered it correctly but it happened during the pre-registration period when ripping off handles (with malicious intent) happened during one of the internal blog wars. Searching back, I see that a ton of the fake Nate (and real Nate freak outs) had been removed. Regardless, my bad. Sorry.

p.s. I'm personally believe that U.S. Americans should be real relieved that Andre Smith was not available when the Skins draft slot came up. I am, such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

He's a Wrambling Wreck

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 5:14 PM

scamp's right. But I also served a few years at Lung Cancer U. in Durham, NC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Each guy on the roster knows there's a tipping point where his once needed skills suddenly make him unnecessary once there are other guys on the roster who can perform them."

In addition Portis, Betts, and Rock are each in their 8th NFL season. Portis came on the trade for Bailey. It would be better to phase in at least one running back this year if there is no plan to keep a 4th RB.

Posted by: fwroy | September 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

the author of the washing post story on redskins tickets was just interviewed on Washington Post Live and he said point blank that Jason La Confora was the person that presented the story to them.

Posted by: WhySoSerious | September 2, 2009 5:13 PM |

Jasno had been working on this story since last year. This was going to be his big blast at the FO right before the season started

Unfortunately, he got a new job and had to turnover story to someone

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I'm raising my hand along with sween in the memory, however erroneous or unfair to you it may be, that you were to some degree or other making fun of a kid who got decapitated at Six Flags. Maybe it wasn't make fun of the kid but instead talking about how dumb he must have been to put himself at such risk by climbing a fence or whatever it was. I seem to recall you were winding up "The Truth" in the process, and you sort of reveled in it... it wasn't just one thing you posted, it kind of went on and on for a few days... again, this is just my memory of the thing. I remember thinking it was in poor taste, but I remember not being able to suss out whether you were serious or were just winding up The Truth or someone else.

None of us are blameless up here, and I'm pointing my middle finger at myself as I type this (which is not easy given my already limited typing skills)... but my memory aligns with sween on this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Each guy on the roster knows there's a tipping point where his once needed skills suddenly make him unnecessary once there are other guys on the roster who can perform them."

In addition Portis, Betts, and Cartwright are all in their 8th NFL season. It would be better to phase in at least one new running back this season rather than to replace all three at the same time.

Posted by: fwroy | September 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

t_e, did you obtain degree from dook?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

*Blah*

I don't get Reid and his steady moaning and pissin' for Cartwright, I just really don't.

REDDMV

What I dont' get is any sportswriter giving any weight whatsoever to what you think. Or I think, or any one of the bozos on this board offering advice on who should stay and who should go thinks.

Not a one of us straps it up, or has any idea what it's really like on the field or in the locker room. We don't know the dynamic of the team or the value of players whose value can't be codified by stats.

The fact that so many here pretend they do is a further indictment of us/them and the Posties who give us/them credence.

Posted by: TheCork | September 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm laughing at the ability of humans to do stupid things which seems infinite and unending.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 2, 2009 5:21 PM |

Especially when you are posting on RI.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

p.s. I'm personally believe that U.S. Americans should be real relieved that Andre Smith was not available when the Skins draft slot came up. I am, such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:23 PM

Agree to agree. I remember when all the buzz up here was about how we hoped Andre Smith "slipped" to us. Are the Bengals cursed, or do they do it on purpose?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

we should win the 1st game vs the giants , if we win that game, i think the Skins win the division, our whole schedule will set up so nicely if we win that 1st one, f the giants, i dont see why we can't take that one down, a division road win, a steal, a momentum builder and right from the first game we let the division and the conference know, this is a different year, the Redskins year...... hopefully

Posted by: retroskins14 | September 2, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think Peter "Dumbazz" King's ...

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 2, 2009 5:17 PM |

The guy in the A&W commercials?

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

t_e, did you obtain degree from dook?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 5:28 PM

Back in the day when everything was a lot easier than it is now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

... None of us are blameless up here, ...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 5:28 PM

In my mind, Cindy can do no wrong. Could be that I'm partial to a woman who knows her football such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

*Blah*

I don't get Reid and his steady moaning and pissin' for Cartwright, I just really don't.

And F Danny Smith. The only reason he wants to keep Rock around is to make his special teams look better this year, which f-ing sucks right now anyway. I can't wait until he's no longer coaching special teams.. HE f-ing sucks!

I think I get it. Cartwright is one of Reid's locker room sources, and Danny Smith must be in jeopardy of losing his job this year so he wants to keep a special team stalwart (smh @ the notion) like Rock Cartwright around.

I can admit, Rock as of today, is a better special teams player than Mason. But Cartwright is too damn one dimensional for people to be crying over.

When the wedge was made illegal, Rock's career was finished... I can't for the life of me understand this constant pity-party for this guy... he tested the free agent and NOT ONE TEAM MADE AN OFFER TO HIM!!! NOT F-ING ONE!!!

Do you understand this Jason Reid and Danny Smith??? NOT ONE!!! So, tell us, what is it really that makes you cream for the Rock?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse


THANK YOU, RED!

I thought Danny Smith's comments about Mason the other day were dispicable. I understand that Smith is trying to stick up for his guy Rock, but you don't have to throw someone else under the bus to do so; especially a young unestablished guy like Mason who has been working his tail off to make a team.

Danny Smith fields a kicker who can't kick; a punt-returner who can't return punts; and a coverage unit that doesn't cover...and he's gonna take cheap shots at some kid trying to make the team???

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's my beef with Rock:

What does he give us as an RB?

I understand what he gives us as a lockerroom guy.

I know what he gives us on special teams.

But last year when Betts went down, we had to go out and waste a roster spot on Shaun Alexander - SHAUN ALEXANDER - to be a backup RB.

What does that say about Rock's capacity to be an RB in this offense?

In today's league you need to use your backup RBs alot (injury, platoon, spells). If your 3rd RB isn't a guy you are gonna trust to play the RB position, then there is a problem.


Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree, p1funk. My thoughts are not that we need to get rid of Rock. I think that a fast RB/punt returner is more important. I would add Alridge, Dorsey OR Mason, and would not add Rock, Wynn OR Yoder. We need a change of pace RB like Sproles or Westbrook, and Rock is not that player. Someone who can come in and take it to the house later in the game.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

They say the Universe is infinite and bounded, but stupidity extends forever.

Posted by: dpc2003

I ain't not rocket surgeon nor quantum physicist but 'splain to me Lucy how the Universe can both be infinite and bounded?

The stupidity part I got no argument with.

Posted by: TheCork | September 2, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Now I remember. You graduated from Tech in the '60s or something like that?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

yeah the 1860s....SNAP!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

p.s. I'm personally believe that U.S. Americans should be real relieved that Andre Smith was not available when the Skins draft slot came up. I am, such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:23 PM

Agree to agree. I remember when all the buzz up here was about how we hoped Andre Smith "slipped" to us. Are the Bengals cursed, or do they do it on purpose?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse


Um, agree to disagree with your agreement.

I bet Andre Smith on a broken foot would still give us more at RT than Mike Williams or Jeremy Bridges.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought Thomas looked good returning kicks and Mason looked good running the ball. This made me think that Rock might be in trouble, because of his age. But, if you want to beat the champ you gotta knock him out...right? It's tough to cut a guy who is a reliable, consistent veteran.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I bet Andre Smith on a broken foot would still give us more at RT than Mike Williams or Jeremy Bridges.

Posted by: p1funk

neither of these guys are our RT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 2, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok, my mistook -- the Universe is finite but unbounded, not the other way around. Been a long day.

Stupidity still extends forever.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 2, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

p.s. I'm personally believe that U.S. Americans should be real relieved that Andre Smith was not available when the Skins draft slot came up. I am, such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:23 PM |

"U.S. Americans". Is that like "D.C. Redskins"? Anywho, there were a lot of turdball posters on this blog who were panting for the FO to take Smith, man boobs and all, in spite of all the bad kharma that was hanging over him like an angry rain cloud. No one will fess up to it though. Wait, maybe the turdball from Tampa will. Hooray!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"When my guy from Duke talks, I listen,"

Really?

Cuz when a guy from Duke tries to talk to me, I usually smack him in the face and remind him that in Maryland he needs permission first to open his pie-hole.

Mayor, you are from the West Coast, so we'll give you a mulligan; but in the future, if you want to stay legit here in the DC area, don't give props to Duke...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a VA State Trooper still looking for that black Vette that went by him on the inner loop of the beltway right after the Tysons exit at 150mph. I could barely make out the cherry light coming on his big Chrysler.


Posted by: noonefromtampa


I guess I'm smarter than you because I eased off the gas in my 427/390 1968 'vette as it was gliding past 130, and never got to see how it might have done in fourth gear. Yes, liquor was involved.

Posted by: TheCork | September 2, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

And F Danny Smith. The only reason he wants to keep Rock around is to make his special teams look better this year, which f-ing sucks right now anyway. I can't wait until he's no longer coaching special teams.. HE f-ing sucks!

Posted by: RedDMV

Thank you Red! I posted a "fire Smith, keep Mason" post a few days ago to the same effect. Danny Smith needs to keep his mouth shut. A few days ago he was claiming that Mason's pass protection was the issue. WTF is Danny Smith doing commenting about pass pro? Skins special teams have sucked since St. Joe came back, and Danny Smith has been the architect of that suckfest.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I bet Andre Smith on a broken foot would still give us more at RT than Mike Williams or Jeremy Bridges.

Posted by: p1funk

neither of these guys are our RT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 2, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse


Wait til Week 5 when Samuels needs his knee drained and Heyer gets moved to LT...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I bet Andre Smith on a broken foot would still give us more at RT than Mike Williams or Jeremy Bridges.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 5:41 PM

Guy on a broken foot isn't going to give much the first part of this season. My attention span right now is one game long ... and its gonna be in the Meadowlands.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

TE, Sween, glad you could work it out. The Six Flags thing was a horrible tragedy & not funny in any respect. I'm the guy you referred to yesterday laughing at Andre Smith's broken foot. For the record I'm a big Andre Smith fan. He was an awesome OT last year for Alabama & was sorely missed by me and every other Tide fan in the Sugar Bowl. I was not laughing at his actual injury or the pain he might be suffering. What I found ironic or funny was that he was sitting at home getting fatter by the day(showed up at 364) holding out for more money and maybe that extra burden his feet were carrying would not have been there had he reported to camp earlier & worked out with his teammates.

Its just not funny when you have to explain it so perhaps the humor was only in my head and didn't transfer well to the blog. For that I'm sorry. Humor, snarkiness, etc is not an exact science and this is still the preseason. I just need more reps with the first team blog so I can be up to game speed by week one.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

whaddup funk! i think rock and betts should be under a lil pressure to perform this year or they're gone next year. i like mason. dorsey and alridge, i need to see more of and 1 preseason gm left might not be enough.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

... Skins special teams have sucked since St. Joe came back, ...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 5:47 PM

Maybe suckage in kicking and punting (and punt returns), but not in coverage and relative field position. Skins are been pretty good on that.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Wait til Week 5 when Samuels needs his knee drained and Heyer gets moved to LT...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Its like we have a crystal ball and everyone else dreams otherwise....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't have any feelings about the future upsides/downsides of Andre Smith, but having your first draft picks hurt just sucks. It would almost be like if two out of three pass catchers you traded your first round pick to get had pulled hamstrings or bad knees or some such. Man, that would suck.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

seems like the blog is getting a little cranky these days, the ticket thing from this morning is overblown, rock will make the team despite some us wanting him to go. I downloaded the i-tunes season pass for the skins today and they had the 2008- a new dawn recap of 2008. it was so hard to watch knowing that if we beat the rams and bengals we would have been in the playoffs.

I think sween makes a good point above all attention is going towards the giants, hopefully they don't start #72 for skipping his meeting and haynesworth crushes eli's shoulder.

Posted by: stivic | September 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, seems like Orakpo is turning out to be OK.

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I made the case earlier this week that Rock should be cut...

* Thomas can assume all his special team duties and appears to be better at kickoff returns.

* Rock will be 30 this December.

* He has a 2yr contract and only a 200k release fee.

* Cartwright brings nothing to the table as a #3 RB. He has limited speed. I'd rather have a change-of-pace speed back or big, power back in that position.

* Special teams sucked last year and almost all the specialists have been cut. (Thrash, K. Campbell, Plackemier, etc...)

I'd prefer to see Aldridge or Mason as the #3RB and 10 OL (given the recent injury history and age of the linemen)...

Posted by: siris | September 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I ain't not rocket surgeon nor quantum physicist but 'splain to me Lucy how the Universe can both be infinite and bounded?

Posted by: TheCork | September 2, 2009 5:37 PM |

You'd have to be conversant with string theory for me to be able to explain it to you.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

whaddup funk! i think rock and betts should be under a lil pressure to perform this year or they're gone next year. i like mason. dorsey and alridge, i need to see more of and 1 preseason gm left might not be enough.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Yup. I think Betts is pretty well-established (for better or worse) b/c of his contract.

Rock, on the other hand, is hearing footsteps...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Time for a chuckle? Give this a look see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu8N2-bN1Gc&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"U.S. Americans". Is that like "D.C. Redskins"? Anywho, there were a lot of turdball posters on this blog who were panting for the FO to take Smith, man boobs and all, in spite of all the bad kharma that was hanging over him like an angry rain cloud. No one will fess up to it though. Wait, maybe the turdball from Tampa will. Hooray!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse


I'm happy to acknowledge that I wanted us to draft a tackle in the first round be it Andre Smith or anyone of the other guys.

Not sure what sin I need to 'fess up about.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I also wanted oline and Oher was the guy available that I wanted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I would still take Andre Smith right now.

Maybe w/ his broken foot, we can trade for him on the cheap...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

i think rock and betts should be under a lil pressure to perform this year or they're gone next year. i like mason. dorsey and alridge, i need to see more of and 1 preseason gm left might not be enough.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 2, 2009 5:55 PM |

Betts and Cartwright are not very good and peeps are delusional if they think that things get any better when you sub in Alridge, Dorsey or Mason. Portis has reached that point where age is going to start showing - less speed, less stamina, etc. His best years are behind him. The passing game is going to have to pick up the slack in the offense created by the downward-trending running game.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I would still take Andre Smith right now.

Maybe w/ his broken foot, we can trade for him on the cheap...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM |

Uh, he just signed a contract that is not "cheap"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

YOUR ALL SHEEP!!!!
ROCK SUKS

Posted by: gre28man72 | September 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I also wanted oline and Oher was the guy available that I wanted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:10 PM |

It looks like he is starting for the Ravens but he isn't making anyone forget Jonathon Ogden either.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Chia Obama makes the statement "I'm proud to be an American..."

Wow, just wow!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What's the case for keeping Danny Smith? There hasn't been anything special about his special teams.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I would still take Andre Smith right now.

Maybe w/ his broken foot, we can trade for him on the cheap...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM |

Uh, he just signed a contract that is not "cheap"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse


Of course I meant what we'd have to give up for him in a trade.

If you follow the sentiments of BlackBagOps, the fact that he has a broken foot and "bad karma" means the Bengals should apparently by eager to get rid of him...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I can appreciate having Rock Cartwright, but he's not more than a one dimensional back. There are other, while unproven backs on the roster right now who can do what he can do as a running back AND do it better; the question is can they contribute to special teams to the degree that Cartwright can?

This is a tough decision - Dorsey is more than his equal based upon his track record on special teams and to me we lose nothing with him replacing Rock as a running back. While I like Marcus Mason, he isn't a special teams guy - though the Redskins should be doing everything they can to develop him on the practice squad to replace Cartwright. He simply has more upside as a running back than Cartwright.

So - do you keep a guy solely because of his special teams play and his non-factor status elsewhere? I'd suggest that we have other options on the team such as wide receivers who are as good as him and have demonstrated this in preseason.

Yet, I value his heart and his attitude and durability. I hate that we have to tie up this slot just for him when he isn't that good anywhere else. But, he is more durable than the fragile twins on wide receiver and he has a track record with us that Dorsey doesn't have. While my head tells me get rid of Cartwright, my heart values his contributions in the past and I hope that he can do something more than take a roster spot for his one dimension - the coaches need to develop him as a hidden weapon of some sort. So, with reservations, I say keep him.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 2, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

If you follow the sentiments of BlackBagOps, the fact that he has a broken foot and "bad karma" means the Bengals should apparently by eager to get rid of him...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 6:19 PM |

Gotcha, but we don't have the cap room to fit him even if we could pick him up for a song and a dance. Or a jaunty tune...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 2, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"It looks like he is starting for the Ravens but he isn't making anyone forget Jonathon Ogden either.

Posted by: BlackBagOps

Yeah b/c he is starting at RT not LT....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Blogga Scouting Report:

Barno:

"The definition of a late rounder flier, especially as a handcuff to those owners with Nate in the PDX. Its important to have bloggas on your roster who do only one thing well. With Barno, its bash the WaPo. He will vulture points away from others who seek a sense of balance instead of singular vision. Most JLC h8ters cooled their jets during the dark days of ST#21'S death, but not Barno who hammered away like a bull shark on a chum line.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"Most JLC h8ters cooled their jets during the dark days of ST#21'S death, but not Barno who hammered away like a bull shark on a chum line."

It is beyond classless to invoke Sean Taylor's death to use in an attack against me. Please show me the exact comments where I "hammered away" at JLC during the dark days of Taylor's death?

I recall questioning why the Post kept mentioning Taylor missing a rookie symposium as if it had anything to do with his death. And I recall criticizing Wilbon, along with scores of other WaPost readers, for jumping to conclusions about Taylor's death. But invoking Taylor's death to use in an attack against me is truly a new low for you Chrislarry.

Do me a favor guy, find me at any Redskins game this season. I wear the #47 jersey with CAPTAINCHAOS written on the back. IF you see me, come up and introduce yourself as Chrislarry from the blog.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

So we can share a laugh and a brew?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"It looks like he is starting for the Ravens but he isn't making anyone forget Jonathon Ogden either.

Posted by: BlackBagOps

Yeah b/c he is starting at RT not LT....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 6:24 PM |

Yeah because he couldn't hack it at LT ... . See the idea is that if he were the Ravens best OL then they would put him at LT and if he were a really good LT peeps would start saying "Jonathon who?"

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

What's the case for keeping Danny Smith? There hasn't been anything special about his special teams.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 2, 2009 6:18 PM

I glad someone else realizes where the problem lies.

Posted by: gre28man72 | September 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

What I found ironic or funny was that he was sitting at home getting fatter by the day(showed up at 364) holding out for more money and maybe that extra burden his feet were carrying would not have been there had he reported to camp earlier & worked out with his teammates.

Its just not funny when you have to explain it so perhaps the humor was only in my head and didn't transfer well to the blog. For that I'm sorry. Humor, snarkiness, etc is not an exact science and this is still the preseason. I just need more reps with the first team blog so I can be up to game speed by week one.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2009 5:54 PM

That's gracious and gracefully put. I was out of line and I apologize. I've been critical of the PC police, but I put on one of their stars. I'm no better at it than the sorcerer's apprentice is at fetching water.

There was something about Smith's contract on PFT yesterday. They were saying that the contract heavily favored the Bengals -- that he lost by sitting out. Further, there's a weight clause in his contract. For each game he's over 350, he loses money.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/01/andre-smith-contract-hinges-half-his-salary-to-weight/

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

So we can share a laugh and a brew?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 6:29 PM

Oooh, I wanna be there too! Big group hug!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

With training camp winding down, I’ve come back to give you my annual appraisal of performances here on Redskins Insider. I can’t rate all of you because too many are nebbishes with no personalities to speak of, but these bloggers stand out:

Most valuable player: dcsween
Least valuable player: periculum
Most improved: Red DMV
Most outside the box: (tie) MistaMoe, vicc
Most inappropriately medicated: Frak
Crankiest (in the good way): TheCork
Crankiest (in the bad way): zfjr2
Stupidest: RedSkinHead
Most patronizing know-it-all: learnedhand1
Most tarded: skinsneedaGM
Most retarded: chrislarry
Most cloyingly self-righteous: jm220
Most unwilling/unable to learn: (tie) brownwood, psps23
Most avuncular: JohnDinHouston
Most religious: JesusFreakKaren
Most self-referential: peoplearestupid1
Biggest nit picker: talent_evaluator
Most poorly named: GreatOne1
Most unhinged: (tie) FIREJIMZORN, Barno1, sportsguru
Worst record: 4-12
Best friend: 4thFloor
Most humorless: zcezcest
Worst speller: Alex35332 (since Jasno left)
Most out to lunch: TheTruth11
Most out-of-the-blue: NateinthePDX
Most liked: CindyBoren
Thinnest skin: scampbell1975
Most bonus points: beantowngreg
Whiniest: leevi98
Least to offer: BlackBagOps/LittleGreenBag/BaggerVance/etc.

Posted by: FirstTimePoster | August 25, 2009 6:22 AM |

I am truly humbled that my modest postings would "stand out" enough that they would catch someone's eye and I would get on their list. As good as the list is there is one more entry that would improve it immensely:

Nuttier than a squirrel turd: FirstTimePoster

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

All the people who want Rock gone are the morons who think fantasy football is the only way to count a players worth. There's a reason Rock is the captain.

Posted by: SeanTay77 | September 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Ya, it's a little cranky up here today.

I'd say I enjoy TE's posts except for three reasons: he's a dookie, he doesn't want my charity anyway, and I'm afraid he'd start pimping me for bromance.

But I'll think it out loud anyway. I also think I hope for 12-4, but know it ain't likely. 10-6 and playoffs, with or without betts or mason, don't really care.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

All the people who want Rock gone are the morons who think fantasy football is the only way to count a players worth. There's a reason Rock is the captain.

Posted by: SeanTay77

Hey genius Rock has never been on a fantasy roster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 2, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

We need all new set of running backs. Get rid of all of them. Same old crap every year. CP breaks down. blah blah blah. I have been hearing that since he got here.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Well first things first why not keep 4 running backs and get rid players who actually aren't showing anything or who havent proved themselves. For example Mike Williams, yes he did lose a tremendous amount of weight but last time i checked this is football and not some weight loss competetion. He has been injured for most of the preseason and we already have our problems with an O-line that can stay healthy for 16 games so I dont think we should add to the problem. we also should release betts who to me is the most boring predictable back ive seen thus far. He doesn't show any burst of speed,he doesnt know how to make defenders miss, and last but not least he cant hold onto the ball in crunch time situations. I would love to see Marcus Mason in his place. He has proven himself, has speed and power, and i believe he would make an excellent backup for Portis. Now lets sit back and think! Portis/Mason/Aldrige/Cartwright now that will worry defenses across the league. but Portis/Betts/Cartwright(who really doesnt play RB in a game) who will that scare? U pick!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 2, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah because he couldn't hack it at LT ... . See the idea is that if he were the Ravens best OL then they would put him at LT and if he were a really good LT peeps would start saying "Jonathon who?"

Posted by: BlackBagOps | September 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I think they always intended to use him at RT b/c they are so high on Gaither, that MD kid. Either way pretty hard to judge before real season. If they both work out...Gaither/Oher you can say the Ravens will be pretty set at OT. But yeah considering Ogden is potentially HOF...no one is forgetting him anytime soon.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I honestly thought Danny Smith would be shown the door after last season, and while I thought it would be a mild surprise, I just didn't think the other Danny would sit on his hands after the slide from 6-2 to out of the playoffs...

I also had this notion that Buges might retire after last season, which would have been a bigger surprise... but he had that tough personal situation last year, Gibbs and the other Space Cowboys were gone, etc.

So I was 0-fer on coaching staff change predictions. I'm not too good at the prediction business. That's why I'm sticking with my prediction of 8-8 for the Skins. Because I hope I'm just as wrong on this as on everything else... but wrong in the Skins' favor.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr, here is my take:

at NY Giants - W
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - W
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - L
at Atlanta - W
Denver - W
at Dallas - W
at Philadelphia - W
New Orleans - L
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - L
Dallas - L
at San Diego - L

Here's my take.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I like it. Well, the fan in me does anyway. I notice you've circumvented the ole 7-1 kiss of death by extending it to 10-1 before the slide, thus still ensuring playoffs. Tricksy.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Barno making a veiled threat up here... now that comes as a real surprise, dunnit?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd keep Rock, but I'd also keep Alridge or Mason. 4 RBs, 1 FB, 5 WR, 9 OL, 3 TE, 3 QB = 25 Offensive Players

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | September 2, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you used to be a Barno fan...I came back after an offseason, and bam, you're anti-Barno to the core. I'm wondering if the fake Barno that was on here before p*ssed you off or what.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I've posted this once before but on a day like today, I think it's worth a re-post. Please withhold comments until you've actually read it.

This is for anyone out there that has any opinion on Daniel Snyder. This is a must read folks:

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Freakin Cowgirls. At least we are second and have 3 out of 4 teams from the NFC East.


NEW YORK – How 'bout them Cowboys? They're No. 1 in something even before the NFL season begins: total value.

The Cowboys are worth $1.65 billion, the most of any U.S.-based sports franchise, according to Forbes magazine's annual rankings. Only Manchester United of the English Premier League is worth more worldwide, $1.87 billion.

The Cowboys lead the rankings for the third straight year and are worth $100 million more than the runner-up Washington Redskins. New England is third at $1.361 billion, followed by the New York Giants ($1.183 billion) and Jets ($1.170 billion).

In all, 19 teams are worth at least $1 billion, with the biggest gainer in Forbes' rankings the Patriots, Chargers, Bills and Buccaneers, each at 3 percent.

Oakland has the least value, not even reaching half of Dallas' worth. The Raiders are worth $797 million, down 7 percent from the previous year.

Eight teams saw their value decline in this year's rankings, and six had no change. Along with the Raiders, who had the biggest drop, Detroit, which comes off the first 0-16 season in NFL history, fell 6 percent; Indianapolis went down 5 percent; Miami dropped 3 percent; Seattle and St. Louis each fell 2 percent.

Washington has the most revenues, $345 million, followed by New England at $302 million. At the bottom in revenues is Detroit with 206.

The league average remains at $1.042 billion.

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

cl, is a fool for his breakdown...

p1 & Kenbeatrizz, Danny Smith is an assbag. Throwing Mason under the bus added to his weak azz coaching job Special Teams, this dude has shot up the chart on my "eat s*** and suck it list".

cork, I could give a damn about what Reid OR you think about what I have to say. I'm not here for that but you obviously are, Cork. I said it from day one: I come here to pass the day, and blog it up with some Redskins fans.

And occasionally I like to put my size 12 up the bungholes of idiots. It looks like you're trying to get it as well.

With that, I want to say that I think t_e is an okay dude. I, like dcsween also remember when he cracked on the kid getting his dome axed at six flags. I thought it wasn't cool at all, and gave an opinion on it for what it's worth. But that s*** is in the past. When I first came here I was slaughtered by the "old regs" from back then, and now I blog it up with most.

Everyone is different up here and add there own flavor it the blog. Different dimensions make for good suspension, and I think that's why I continue to post up here... 2 years and counting it's been fun and I hope all of you continue.

All of you are some cool azz ma'f***as... for real.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 2, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Ya, it's a little cranky up here today.

The team has to get ready for the regular season, and so do the hamsters.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 2, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Easy Barno. You're an admirable irritant when you're up on your high horse complaining about the content of the website you're on everyday. Don't go internet tough guy on us; it doesn't become you.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain to me rationally why the Eagles and Giants are definitively better than the Redskins?

It amazes me why the Eagles get so much of a pass when they haven't won a super bowl. They went 9-6-1 last season.

I'm listening!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 2, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, get a couple of draft picks, save a ton of money(God knows the Danny needs it)keeps Rock and one of the young guys. Possibly even jettison Betts and keep a couple of the young guys.

Posted by: raca1234 | September 2, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought Thomas looked good returning kicks and Mason looked good running the ball. This made me think that Rock might be in trouble, because of his age. But, if you want to beat the champ you gotta knock him out...right? It's tough to cut a guy who is a reliable, consistent veteran.

Posted by: pabrian2003

My thoughts as well. Rock doesn't lose his job on a split decision. Beat him solidly or not at all.

Of course, if Rock's injured and can't go full speed, that lowers the bar for the other guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Although i cant deny the body of work that rock has built with the skins I think its time for new blood, not to mention adding a much needed dimension which clearly rock cant provide...I think Aldrige really can make an impact if hes given that third RB spot, and if anyones concerned about KR, Devin Thomas didnt look too bad taking em back against the pats...just sayin

Posted by: wafflez72 | September 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I question my own memories, and the RI comment archives have apparently been erased so I can't cite anything specific... but I remember a dude who used to post as "Barno" up here whose comments used to rub me the wrong way. Self-righteous, strident, anti-Jason La Canfora, anti-Washington Post, repetitive, pompous, oblivious, humorless, Redskin-fannier-than-thou... I guess in a lot of ways like me and just about everyone else who posts up here. But for some reason I have an allergic reaction to the moniker to this day. Just as a lot of people probably have an allergic reaction to my own. Sorry, dude. That's just how it is.

Every time I think I've turned over a new leaf I find it's like the same old leaf... that's life on the internets.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"Different dimensions make for good suspension"

Posted by: RedDMV | September 2, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Words to live by.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

A lot of posters have us losing to the Chargers the last game.

Mark Moseley from ESPN NFCEast Blog offered this idea:

The Chargers will have the AFCWest wrapped up by week, what?, 12?

We might be lucky enough to catch a Chargers team looking to rest their impact players for the playoffs. I think we will beat them.

Posted by: Vicc | September 2, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Good link, Barno. Long read, and read it I did.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 2, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd say I enjoy TE's posts except for three reasons: he's a dookie, he doesn't want my charity anyway, and I'm afraid he'd start pimping me for bromance.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 6:45 PM

FWIW, I went on a fellowship. My parents didn't pay my way. I'm not like the dookies you are thinking of.

And, what's wrong with your charity? Don't be down on yourself. I'm sure it's as good as any charity out there. So, load up the truck.

Posted by: FirstTimePoster | September 2, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain to me rationally why the Eagles and Giants are definitively better than the Redskins?

It amazes me why the Eagles get so much of a pass when they haven't won a super bowl. They went 9-6-1 last season.

I'm listening!

Posted by: rickyroge

The jints crushed the Skins twice last year and had the best record in the NFC. Not so hard to figure out that one. Yes, plax left for SingSing or some similar address, but osi is back.

The iggles had something 12 draft picks plus several young players on the upswing. Plus they added talent high level on the OL (andrews and peters). At first blush, it looked really promising. Better OL, improving WRs, the westbrook you want on your team and a great/innovative defense.

But, Jim Johnson passed, their MLB went down and Dawkins left town. That's a lot of valuable guys that won't be there. Plus I recall a couple other injuries of note. If philly had come out of camp only missing Dawkins, they'd have been a terror. But it hasn't turned out that way and while they will be good, I'm guessing they aren't the top team that people thought they might be 3-4 months ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr,

take Redskins and the Jets as your sleepers.....

I also personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so becasue our education, such as South Africa and the Iraq is going to help South Africa and the Asian countries enjoy watching the Redskins kick some NFC East Arse. (Caitlin Upton Esq.)

12-4

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I've posted this once before but on a day like today, I think it's worth a re-post. Please withhold comments until you've actually read it.

This is for anyone out there that has any opinion on Daniel Snyder. This is a must read folks:

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Good link, Barno. Long read, and read it I did.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 2, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Glad you liked it and good to know someone read it.

If only every Skins fan would read it, there would be a different vibe in this community about the man.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the REDSKINS have 52 players and wait for final cuts before taking or trading for a back-up tackle that's solid.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 2, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I question my own memories, and the RI comment archives have apparently been erased so I can't cite anything specific... but I remember a dude who used to post as "Barno" up here whose comments used to rub me the wrong way. Self-righteous, strident, anti-Jason La Canfora, anti-Washington Post, repetitive, pompous, oblivious, humorless, Redskin-fannier-than-thou... I guess in a lot of ways like me and just about everyone else who posts up here. But for some reason I have an allergic reaction to the moniker to this day. Just as a lot of people probably have an allergic reaction to my own. Sorry, dude. That's just how it is.

Every time I think I've turned over a new leaf I find it's like the same old leaf... that's life on the internets.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that was me. But I remember a few blog originals who were either non barno haters, neutral, or dare i say, fans). You, dcsween, and a few others. Is PDiddy still around here?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV:

Tell it like it is brother.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Vicc:

I would never worry about a team coached by NORV TURNER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

talent-evaluator, I believe attended Downtown Elementary School and was then recruited to work in a sweat shop in China.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am a JLaC -hater and JC-hater-hater as well.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

talent-evaluator, I believe attended Downtown Elementary School and was then recruited to work in a sweat shop in China.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 8:44 PM

Hey, it's a sweat shop not the Army. You aren't recruited, you're Shanghaied. But thanks for getting the word out. Now send help.

Posted by: FirstTimePoster | September 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

As for the "tough guy" and veiled threat comments, child please. That guy has been making ridiculous claims about me for years on here, and the Sean Taylor comment was not only way out of line but completely untrue. I said introduce yourself to me at the game, that is not a threat. I might give him the verbal lashing of a lifetime, but what else am I gonna do--knock him out and get thrown out of the game and/or get arrested? For making asinine comments on a blog? No, I don't think so.

Barno doesn't make internet threats (but Barno does speak in 3rd person, occasionally, which is almost as bad).

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

t_E = FirstTimePoster?

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Listen all, anyone who sees CAPTAINCHAOS on the back of a 47 jersey at skins games, feel free to come and say whats up...especially if you want to discuss or debate topics such as JLC, Dan Snyder, JC, politics, the simpsons, and/or rock hits from the 80s. But fair warning, Barno is usually armed with a bullhorn during tailgates.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

This team plays the "loyalty" card too much.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM

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Jon Jansen, he begs to differ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

@Barno1,

That was the article about Snyder that he approved. Jaffe wrote some more alphabets later about him that weren't as flattering ...

I found those and posted the link and the verbage a while back.

He is not to be trusted dude.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Jon Jansen is a poster over-the-hill-d00d-who-cost-us-games for playing the loyalty card too much.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Snyder story:

I was working on a case with an attorney who lived down the street from Snyder. He said that Snyder was having a birthday party for his kid and hired circus performers to come to the party. A few hours after this attorney watched the performers arrive, his doorbell rang. He opened it to find several of them on his doorstep begging to use the bathroom. "Why don't you use his bathroom?" he asked. "He won't let us in the house" they replied. He let them in to use his bathroom. As they left, one remarked to him, "Thanks so much. We're sorry to impose, but your neighbor's a jerk".

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

t_E = FirstTimePoster?

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

I don't think so. If I were FTP, I would have given myself something better than nitpickiest pain in the ass.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Mason, or Aldridge over Betts, and we keep Rock.

[wishful thinking]

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

skins go 11-5. down year for the eagles. cowboys stink. giants wildcard

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, Barno. Again, memory fails. Maybe the person who elicited that allergic reaction was the impostor Barno.

I'm overly sensitive about this, but in a forum like this what you say is often secondary to how you say it. And I've found that most of the comments attributed to a Barno rub me the wrong way, even when I agree with them on some level. So by that measure, I'm not a Barno fan. Not that you do or should give a crap.

P Diddy is around, I think he "lurks" and occasionally posts. He reported that he met someone identified as Barno at the Seattle playoff game meetup... I had already left for the evening and didn't have the pleasure.

I'm glad you clarified that you didn't intend to make a veiled threat up there in your 6:25pm comment, because it sure read like a veiled threat. But maybe I subconsciously misinterpreted it. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Snyder story:

I was working on a case with an attorney who lived down the street from Snyder. He said that Snyder was having a birthday party for his kid and hired circus performers to come to the party. A few hours after this attorney watched the performers arrive, his doorbell rang. He opened it to find several of them on his doorstep begging to use the bathroom. "Why don't you use his bathroom?" he asked. "He won't let us in the house" they replied. He let them in to use his bathroom. As they left, one remarked to him, "Thanks so much. We're sorry to impose, but your neighbor's a jerk".

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Chances of this story being true... 1 in infinity

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

That Barno character sure is funny.

Jeeesh...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Ah! RI is as it should be; long timers showing up, posts flamed, everyone touchy as all get out as the season approachs.


All is well.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy is around, I think he "lurks" and occasionally posts. He reported that he met someone identified as Barno at the Seattle playoff game meetup... I had already left for the evening and didn't have the pleasure.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

yup, that was me. Diddy was a stand up guy that night.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Chia, I'm with you on liking Betts as a surprise candidate for a pink slip at cutdown time, with Portis-Mason-Aldridge-Rock at RB. Though I think it's unlikely.

I'm with thunder on Jansen/loyalty. I think he got paid very well by this team for a few years longer than his play merited. And I say that as a guy who loved Jansen and will never forget the two broken thumbs etc.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The Jurrr,

take Redskins and the Jets as your sleepers.....

I also personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so becasue our education, such as South Africa and the Iraq is going to help South Africa and the Asian countries enjoy watching the Redskins kick some NFC East Arse. (Caitlin Upton Esq.)

12-4

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 8:33 PM |
clone

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Ah! RI is as it should be; long timers showing up, posts flamed, everyone touchy as all get out as the season approachs.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 9:10 PM

Everyone's jumpy because we don't know whether we'll be on the roster -- or what positions we'll play -- come Saturday. We're just using these last few days to make an impression or two.

Guys like me who have used up our practice squad eligibility have our backs against the wall as the blog tries to get younger. I don't think they can let me go because the cap hit would be too large with all the guaranteed money.

So, yeah. You want a piece of me?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

t_e - you gotta play to win

give 110%

leave it all on the field

and especially

BYGO

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Portis and Betts aren't going anywhere (at least that is what the salary cap experts are telling us - Portis shouldn't be going anywhere regardless of the cap situation). Rock, I think it's time you go, but if we can find a way to keep 4 RB's than keep Rock for all the reasons stated above, although I think he will struggle on kickoff returns this year with the new rules. The question is Mason, Alridge or Dorsey. I would say Dorsey is the first out. Between Mason and Alridge I would have to go with Alridge. I think Mason is an upgrade in the running game over Betts at the number two spot (not that he will get that opportunity), but only a slight upgrade. Alridge, on the other hand, gives us more than a slight upgrade as a third down back with the big play potential that is the perfect fit for the WCO. I know they say Betts will be the third down back. If Alridge stays, there is no way they don't find a way to get him on the field. If Mason stays, he doesn't see the field becasue he doesn't offer the coaches something different. He's just another runner who is not Portis and maybe better than Betts (is better than Betts), but with less experience which coaches always go back to. Anyway, that's how I see it.

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, okay, we can agree on THAT, Barno. P Diddy was the host with the most that evening. And I do miss him from the ongoing conversation up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Barno, if you knew this guy, you wouldn't doubt the veracity of it for a minute.

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Barno, if you knew this guy, you wouldn't doubt the veracity of it for a minute.

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Well it's just extremely, extremely hard to believe that a man who is so incredibly generous and thoughtful, who clearly cares about people, would do something like that.

Snyder has his faults, don't get me wrong. And he is terrible at PR. But he is nothing remotely like the evil characture of him that so many fans believe him to be.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Diddy was a stand up guy that night.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 9:11 PM

Weren't the two Jasons there that night? Were they stand up guys, too, or did they sit down or maybe slouch a little?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

That was many years ago (10?). I'm not so sure I would let circus freaks in my house either!

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

That was many years ago (10?). I'm not so sure I would let circus freaks in my house either!

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:36 PM

Nowadays he gets Portis in drag to entertain his kids.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Barno that 3 year old fluff piece changes nothing. Even if you don't think the guy is a dik, and I do, the team is 76-84 with him in the big seat. He's terrible for the team. That said, I don't blame him not wanting circus performers in his house. I wouldn't let them in either. F-ing jugglers.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

And the freakin' fire eaters; man, when they throw up; it's hell on the drywall.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I understand Keith Olbermann named Periculum today's "worst person in the world". Is this true?

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe suckage in kicking and punting (and punt returns), but not in coverage and relative field position. Skins are been pretty good on that.

Posted by: dcsween

That's still like 3/4 suckage, which is a lot of suckage.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

F-ing jugglers.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 9:41 PM

What's so bad about jugglers? Isn't that what the big girls wear to cover their jugs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I understand Keith Olbermann named Periculum today's "worst person in the world". Is this true?

Posted by: CTSkins

I very rarely agree with Olbermann, but he may be on to something here.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

What's so bad about jugglers? Isn't that what the big girls wear to cover their jugs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 10:01 PM

That would be my hands.

Posted by: CTSkins | September 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

72redskin

"This team plays the "loyalty" card too much."


They sure do.

And there are some players--past and present--who probably feel the team plays the loyalty card with high-priced free agent vets while stiffing low round drafted guys who work their way up from the starting roles.

Evidence?: the alleged beef Anthony Montegomery has with management over the Prince Al signing.

At the end of last season, I bet both Monty and K Golston probably felt more time on the field will equal a payday.

But then,Prince Al gets signed, they will get fewer snaps in'09, and lose the time on the field that would validate their argument for a big re-up payday.

But that's why you play hard: the player loyal to free agency will always have a supporter and fan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I think I started the cut Roc chat last week... it's not that I don't like Roc or think he's effective but the Skins normally keep people 1 year too long... We need to make a move on a younger/quicker back that can be used this year. I think what we potentially lose in the locker room and on the field, we hopefully gain on the field w/ a youngster.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans should, uh, like, um, F*ck it. I got nada. Periculum makes me look like a genius though. Maybe I can get into Dook. That's in my home state, right?

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | September 2, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know the vegas odds for Redskins winning the sb this year?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Weren't the two Jasons there that night? Were they stand up guys, too, or did they sit down or maybe slouch a little?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

JLC and Wise were there that night, but they left before we got there. I've met and talked to Wise many times. Great guy and one of the best writers at the Post. JLC...not so much.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Fun day up here today.

Posted by: farstriker | September 2, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

sarah palin channels ms South Carolina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2QbhsT5BF8

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

so long as the mood is upbeat, check out ms South carolina with a lightsaber around 1:10 mark and at the end of this weezer vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muP9eH2p2PI

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 2, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

MsTeen South Carolina? Vicc is that yOU?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama channels ms south carolina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY&feature=related

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe the U.S. American Redskins Insider, uh, blogga ratings by the chrislarry are, uh, funny, like such as.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | September 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I also personally believe the U.S. American Barno1 has his tighty whiteys in a bunch, and needs a map to find the roses, so he can stop and smell them.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | September 2, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd say I enjoy TE's posts except for three reasons: he's a dookie, he doesn't want my charity anyway, and I'm afraid he'd start pimping me for bromance.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 6:45 PM

FWIW, I went on a fellowship. My parents didn't pay my way. I'm not like the dookies you are thinking of.

And, what's wrong with your charity? Don't be down on yourself. I'm sure it's as good as any charity out there. So, load up the truck.

Posted by: FirstTimePoster | September 2, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd say I enjoy TE's posts except for three reasons: he's a dookie, he doesn't want my charity anyway, and I'm afraid he'd start pimping me for bromance.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 6:45 PM

FWIW, I went on a fellowship. My parents didn't pay my way. I'm not like the dookies you are thinking of.

And, what's wrong with your charity? Don't be down on yourself. I'm sure it's as good as any charity out there. So, load up the truck.

Posted by: FirstTimePoster | September 2, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong as far as you're concerned, I wasn't talking to you. What do you know of what I was thinking of?

So don't worry about it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

lol. Just cranky.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Friendo.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

RomoLongBalls you were talking to him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

As far as I am concerned, when Rock botched the fumble recovery on a kickoff last season that would have given the Redskins red zone field position, it was a tremendous mistake that revealed to me that for a so called special teams "leader" he does not understand the fine details of how to do special teams work. I hope he is still losing sleep over that play, because I am. I can't say if he deserves a spot or not, but I'd sure like to see a speedster have a chance.

As for Mr. Betts, for all his yardage he has had some major fumbles that I hope haunt him, too. I'll never forget the one against the Rams in his break-out season.

On the bright side, thanks to the stars for giving us Cooley. He is a true hero of this generation. His record scoring against the Dallas Cowboys is the brightest spot we've got. Moss' TDs against Dallas were sweet too. Yeah, I can handle being 8-8 as long as we beat the pants off Dallas.

Posted by: DCguru | September 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

redskins get nooooooooooooooooo love from NFLN. Don't rerun the game until saturday, so those of us not in DC are out to lunch as far as predicting cuts.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, get a couple of draft picks, save a ton of money ...

Posted by: raca1234 | September 2, 2009 7:46 PM

The size of Portis' contract makes him untradeable. The way to save a ton of money is to switch to GEICO.

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Barno, I really meant no harm. I was doing the silly fantasy blogga scouting reports all day after an earlier post. If you took offense I apologize, that really wasn't my intention honestly.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 3, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has his faults, don't get me wrong. And he is terrible at PR. But he is nothing remotely like the evil characture of him that so many fans believe him to be.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 9:33 PM

Barno, do you actually KNOW the guy? I have a story like CTskins from a close friend who used to work for him, but I wouldn't drop it up here. If you can't say something nice about a person and such and such ...

Also, I'm definitely not a barno hater, probably not neutral, and probably no more a barno fan than I am of any of the other addicts I hang out with up here (which varies on my mood and the day, not the posters). But it has been a 4 year dream of mine to meet Chris Cooley, get his autograph on a DVD of Heavy Metal Garage, and argue whether a f***ing WHAM! song should be the basis for awarding it to ANYBODY!

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Maybe suckage in kicking and punting (and punt returns), but not in coverage and relative field position. Skins are been pretty good on that.

Posted by: dcsween

That's still like 3/4 suckage, which is a lot of suckage.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 10:00 PM

Agreed. The weighted averages on sucktation really conspire against a special teams coach.

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

UnSJKin'believable Barno, I can't wait to hear your defense of this practice.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 3, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, I think a lot of Suisham's mid/late season sucktastic performance could be pinned a lot on some bad holding by Plackemeier. Even worse holder than Brooks Durant. I'm not so worried about Suisham like lots of peepage up here.

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Well it's just extremely, extremely hard to believe that a man who is so incredibly generous and thoughtful, who clearly cares about people, would do something like that.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 9:33 PM

This was the part I meant to clip. Do you actually know the guy? Or is this based on what you read in the Washingtonian, the response to the Sean Taylor tragedy, and other stuff in the public eye?

Posted by: dcsween | September 3, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question for ya, sween, you special teams maven: if you had to choose, would you prefer to have a great punter and a mediocre kicker, or a mediocre punter and a great kicker?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 3, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Ah, jeez, here I go again with the fantasy league commishabingus...

I need to fill one slot in the RI fantasy league drafting tonight (Thursday) 10pm Eastern/7 Pacific... completely forgot about it after sween jumped into the other league.

Drop me a line at nateinthepdx at gmail if you want in. First come, first served. Anybody is welcome.

No money at stake, just bragging rights, etc.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 3, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Learned Hand, let me take a crack at that:

"Yet another egregious hit piece by this completely biased liberal rag, another entry in the litany of slanderous garbage that has constituted this shameful vendetta.

"The Redskins are first and foremost a business, and here they are behaving rationally in the market, and that is all that matters. To suggest otherwise is absurd and unreasonable. Profit matters above any other consideration.

"This piece artfully elides the customers' responsibility to make good on the season ticket contracts they signed, because the Post desperately wants the reader to believe the TEAM is at fault, not the deadbeat customers who broke their contracts.

"And by the way, every corporation is entitled to have a complete deuche of a lawyer like this Mr. Donovan do its bidding. The Redskins and their fan base should be proud that this man is on the job, working night and day to protect the franchise and its precious bottom line.

"I suspect the invisible hand of Jason La Canfora was behind this article somehow...

"In conclusion, Daniel Snyder is the greatest! My Redskins are never wrong! Anyone who maligns Snyder or the Skins on any subject is not a real fan! And cancel your subscription to this fish wrapper!"

How'd I do?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 3, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

redskins get nooooooooooooooooo love from NFLN. Don't rerun the game until saturday, so those of us not in DC are out to lunch as far as predicting cuts.

Posted by: TheCork | September 3, 2009 12:01 AM


Cork, NFLN isn't the only game in town for preseason, at least not with DirecTV. I added the sports pack today and will be getting Skins/Jags live in HD on Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic.

Not a "neener-neener," just an FYI.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 3, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

UnSJKin'believable Barno, I can't wait to hear your defense of this practice.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 3, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Cancel your subscriptions to the Washington Post. That's first and foremost. Theire slant never ends. The venom that drips from their ink each time they pen a hit-piece, it's sickening. They decided a while ago to drop these non stories and create pseudo controversies the week before the season starts...and readers should ask why. Why has this paper has been unfairly attacking Dan Snyder and the Redskins for years?

The Redskins, as well as many other professional sports franchises, have had to fight in court to collect debts for years. You sign a contract, you are expected to fulfill that contract. Just as with any other business deal.

There's a reason I don't have the multi thousand dollar loge seats, because I don't want to sign a multi-year contract that I can't guarantee I'll want or be able to pay for years down the road. People who make the mistake of doing so and then try to back out, then they blame the Redskins for coming to collect the debt? It's absurd. I'm sorry but I feel no sympathy for these people. These are the same types of folks who destroyed the housing market. These people buy more than they can afford and then figure the magic money fairy would come and save them.

You aren't sure you can pay for the premium seats 5 years from now?

THEN DON'T SIGN THE F'ING CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simple as that.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 2:50 AM | Report abuse

So I did pretty well, then. (patting self on back)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 3, 2009 3:00 AM | Report abuse

I am still around. I read, but don't comment. Sadly, I used to be retired and now I'm back at work doing a day job, shepherding a couple of companies as my night jobs, and spinning up a non-profit to address the "unwed young mother" issue that has torn apart our cities for far too long. So, what's left of my life means that my RI time competes with my Facebook time, and I love Facebook too much (apart from dumb people who don't know how to use it: you know who you are).

Plus, I'm convinced that a 34 year old man can compete with 19 year olds in a snowboarding competition, and training as close to full-time as possible for the upcoming season also detracts from RI time.

Nevertheless, yeah, I'm reading. I'm also reading with amusement at the completely unhinged remarks of certain folks. Then again, I'm also campaigning door-to-door in my spare time for real health care reform, so I'm used to nonsense from dumb people at this point.

Posted by: PDiddy | September 3, 2009 3:26 AM | Report abuse

There's a reason I don't have the multi thousand dollar loge seats, because I don't want to sign a multi-year contract that I can't guarantee I'll want or be able to pay for years down the road. People who make the mistake of doing so and then try to back out, then they blame the Redskins for coming to collect the debt? It's absurd. I'm sorry but I feel no sympathy for these people. These are the same types of folks who destroyed the housing market. These people buy more than they can afford and then figure the magic money fairy would come and save them.

You aren't sure you can pay for the premium seats 5 years from now?

THEN DON'T SIGN THE F'ING CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simple as that.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 2:50 AM


Wow...just wow.

I'm not sure if it's hit you in your mother's basement, but for those of us out there earning a living there's something called a recession going on. And it's pretty bad. Rich, poor, middle class...just about everyone is affected right now. And some stuff that I could afford in 2003 or 2004 I can't afford today. I've taken two pay cuts and am lucky to have a job at all, especially in the ever-dying field of broadcasting. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person in that situation.

So for someone to say they can't afford to pay thousands of dollars for friggin' football tickets in today's economic climate isn't uncommon or "absurd" as you claim.

And if you've ever worked in retail or sales, you should know that the #1 rule is the customer is ALWAYS right. And while you don't necessarily have to take a total loss, the team should at an absolute minimum do something to alleviate the financial burden on the ticketholders in question. It's not like they're gonna lose money there; somebody else will come in and buy the tickets.

So if the current economic crisis hasn't hit you, consider yourself blessed. But don't think that because it didn't hit you it isn't affecting scores of other people.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Good post, Brownwood.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Okay,

who will look better tonight?

Colt or Chase

Aldridge or Dorsey

Kelly or Thomas

Suisham or Rayner

Final score prediction,

Skins 24 Jags 20

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 3, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Good post, Brownwood.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 6:19 AM


Never thought I'd see this day...

Thanks?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 3, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Enough with the reference to where Svrluga went to College...that elitist b.s. may be important in the WPOST newroom, but doesn't mean a thing out here. We will listen to Svrluga's opinions because of their merit, not where the h*ll he attended college. Cheers!

Posted by: MPNangle | September 3, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

So for someone to say they can't afford to pay thousands of dollars for friggin' football tickets in today's economic climate isn't uncommon or "absurd" as you claim.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 3, 2009 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Nice straw man. This comment is so patently dishonest that it's pretty hard to take the rest of what you said seriously. Please point to the comment where I said it's absurd to say they can't afford thousands of dollars for football tickets. What I said was it is absurd that they sign the contracts if they can't afford them.

It never ceases to amaze me how badly people will misrepresent their opponent's position just to win an argument.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 3, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Rock is better than Betts. He gains more yards, is more versatile and is a gamer. Does anyone remember back in Spurrier's last year when Rock was the feature back for a few games and rushed for over 100 yards a few times, I believe? Cut Betts, keep Aldridge and Dorsey, make Rock number 2. Running game will get better.

Posted by: jmurray019 | September 3, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith's position should be evaluated as well. I think he is one of the most over-rated position coaches on the Redskins. What is so hard about lining up and running down the field, whether in kickoff or returns and either tackling or blocking someone? Isn't that football 101? If Rock plays "four" positions, then why is he only being paid the Veteran Minimum! The Redskin's special team has never been very "special" under the watch of Danny Smith. Finally, I like Rock and hope they keep him for this year, but not because of what Danny Smith said but because Rock brings a good veteran leadership like what Brian Mitchell used to bring.

Posted by: JohnWWW | September 3, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm one of the ones who thinks Rock's time is up. He's keeping us from adding a 3rd RB that can actually contribute to this anemic offense. He's far more valuable in coverage than he is on returns, especially since the wedge rule has been changed. Meaning we're keeping a guy thats too slow, small and not a particularly good blocker. Betts is also more marginal than this staff would have you believe, he's awful at the goalline, is no where near the pass blocker the coaches would have us believe he's turned into overnight. To hear reports he morphed into CP as a blocker this offseason lmao..minus his hands he doesnt offer much more than Rock at RB. We need a true change of pace back on this roster and neither Betts or Cartwright are it. Mason is a harder runner than the ever tip toeing betts and can actually get more than 1 yard at the goal line, Aldridge gives us the speed we lack and could easily replace Betts as a real 3rd down back with hands...there's no need to keep propping these guys up and making them to be anything more than average. Out with the old and in with the new is what I say. Devin can return Kicks b/c he's not ready for the number 2 role and El can be explosive in the slot. Aldridge replaces Betts as a real 3rd down back and if Danny cant find a couple of guys just as slow but as smart as Rock then he needs a new gig too.

Posted by: ezdoesit74 | September 3, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Rock makes the cut, but what's all this talk about 3 running backs? With Mason and Alridge available to us right now, I think we need either 4 or 5 running backs (not counting Sellers). We can do that if we don't keep Yoder (which I don't have a problem with).

Posted by: kseandoyle | September 3, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I've always loved Rock, but there comes a time where you have to look at a position, like running back, and realize that we need more depth there. Rock and Betts just aren't as dynamic as the running back groups that are out there right now. You've got to have a one, two, three punch at that position, not just a one and a half punch. That position is going to make a much bigger impact on an over all game than the kickoff coverage, kickoff return, punt coverage, and punt return positions combined. If Rock is our 3rd string guy, then why is he only used once a game, if that? There are teams that give their 3rd RB 5 carries or more per game. All that tells me is that Rock isn't on the same level as those other guys. If he was able to show the coaches something in practice I think we'd see them try harder to use him in games. It's time to give a guy like Aldridge or Mason a chance to produce for this offense. I don't think that necessarily means cutting Rock, but if they don't carry 5 RB's this year, then I think next year Rock may have to battle for a spot on this team.

Posted by: umdhick | September 3, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and enough pointing out that your partner there is from Duke. You're damaging his credibility each time you mention that.

Posted by: umdhick | September 3, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

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