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Mike Williams may replace Edwin Williams

Rookie guard Edwin Williams struggled in his first start Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles and could be replaced this week by tackle-guard Mike Williams.

"I thought Edwin did okay," Coach Jim Zorn said. "Now, I've got a decision to make now that Mike Williams is coming back strong, so that's going to be a question mark during the week."

Mike Williams returned against Philadelphia after sitting out two games because of an ankle injury. It appears he still can drive block.

By Jason Reid  |  November 30, 2009; 4:36 PM ET
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Can you still say "first" on the blog this season? How about "last"?

Posted by: farstriker | November 30, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Typical. Don't let Edwin develop. BMW is hurt every other week so Edwin will be back. Geniuses.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 30, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

farstriker, I've been saying that since before the season started.

Unfortunately, whatever gains they have made in playing some of these new guys (depth potential there both on the line and skill positions) will likely be completely lost next season.

Unless Snyder somehow brings back Gibbs and he again hires the coaches (including the Head Coach), again. Then, I believe there would be enough continuity to make a run for the playoffs. Yes, I do believe they have sufficient talent to do that even if they losing JC17, Betts, Carlos Rogers, etc. Clearly Dan and Cerrato have to get into the Radio/TV/Entertainment business (where they belong) and out of the football operations business.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

you can't make this stuff up....I mean, just fail.....at EVERY turn....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I was willing to have Zorn back for continuity's sake but the 2 runs and 1 throw to 3rd row in the redzone was it for me. You have a chance to put the iggles down by 12 and you play for the field goal? Everyone @ Stinkon Field and the announcers knew thats what they were doing.
Same deal in Dallas, 15 secs and you don't take another shot at the endzone?
So:
Tentative play calling
+
Poor talent evaluation
+
Poor game/ clock management
+
Lack of preparation
+
Poor team attitude
+
Poor team management
= Fire Jim Zorn

Posted by: priceisright | November 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Zorn can't make up his mind. Its going to be another "battle" this week to see who gets to start. Even with healthy starters, Zorn refuses to let the line mesh or get the young guys playing time. How about putting Williams at RT for the rest of the season and be done with it? At least he'll run block better then Heyer.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

you can't make this stuff up....I mean, just fail.....at EVERY turn....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 30, 2009 4:52 PM

I can't make this stuff up. But YOU could. And then you'd say you found it on PFT.

Look this franchise hasn't gotten anything right since they let Pierce leave. You should know that by now after I've explained it to you 142 times.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

What I am saying is that the Snyderator has done so much damage to this franchise ... that there only hope is Gibbs. (St. Joe to you detractors.) Only he can bring the kind of instant respect, and the old feeling that fans need to have for the team back. Third time is the charm. Hopefully, as president and minority owner ala' Al Davis when he first started with the Raiduhs. Ostensibly, given the power by Snyder and the other minority owners, Gibbs could effectively "shield" the coaches and players from Snyder et al. While communicating his expectations ...


Ya got no other choice Dan. You've done this to yourself.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I was willing to have Zorn back for continuity's sake but the 2 runs and 1 throw to 3rd row in the redzone was it for me. You have a chance to put the iggles down by 12 and you play for the field goal? Everyone @ Stinkon Field and the announcers knew thats what they were doing.
Same deal in Dallas, 15 secs and you don't take another shot at the endzone?
So:
Tentative play calling
+
Poor talent evaluation
+
Poor game/ clock management
+
Lack of preparation
+
Poor team attitude
+
Poor team management
= Fire Jim Zorn

Posted by: priceisright | November 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has been saying this but its just difficult to pull the trigger when your LT is getting pounded on every other play by Cole. I hated the play calling there but damn i'm not sure what else they could do

Posted by: overzealous08 | November 30, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

but Sherm Lewis is showing him up right now. And Lewis has been out of the game for years.

Posted by: psps23 | November 30, 2009 4:38 PM


Which is why Vinny stays. Case Closed.

PLEASE FOOTBALL GODS....DO NOT LOT ZORN REPLACE EDWIN WILLIAMS WITH MIKE WILLIAMS.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Another who gives a crap. Neither of these guys belong in the NFL. Mike Williams has not played for a couple of years. No body called him in years and now Vinny wants him to play. Great idea. Edwin Williams is another player nobody wanted. Vinny is either the smartest executive in the NFL or the dumbest. Gee let me think. Dan Snyder is the dumbest. Why don't they go get a quality offensive line?

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | November 30, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Good, now let Edwin Williams replace Casey Rabach.

Start Lendy Holmes at Free Safety and move Laron back to strong safety.

Give Kevin Barnes some more playing time.

Give Marko Mitchell some more playing time.

Re-sign JC.

Draft 2 tackles in the first 2 rounds, 2 running backs in the 4th and 5th, and a kick return specialist in the 7th.

Sign Alex Boone off the Niners practice squad.

Stay away from free agents for the next couple of years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 30, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

there only hope is Gibbs. (St. Joe to you detractors.) Only he can bring the kind of instant respect, and the old feeling that fans need to have for the team back.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 4:55 PM

Gibbs has left the building. He's not coming back. Too much Green Kryptonite at Redskins Park. It was making him weak.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Without an offensive line you end up with most of your backfield on injured reserve before too long. Even someone like Spiller Moe. We are so very fortunate that Campbell is the athlete that he is. Otherwise, one could almost be certain that he would already be on season-ending IR along with the rest. Likely including Portoise.

Build the line. That is what the Redskins have been known for the last 30 years. The offensive line. Other than Bart Starr's plunge behind Kramer OL has never been as highly touted or celebrate as with this team. You can't have Redskins without that line Dan. Remember? Sheesh.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Great, another young guy that will not be developed because zorn knows better.

Why is it impossible to play the young guys and play to win at the same time? Of course I mean with this team.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has left the building. He's not coming back. Too much Green Kryptonite at Redskins Park. It was making him weak.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009

No one else is going to answer Dan's weak-from-self-inflicted-red-kryptonite plaintive cries for help. No one else at least no one worth anything. Buffalo won't find anyone ... but for the Redskins there is always Gibbs ... not as head coach ... as a "real" president with all the requisite power.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Which is why Vinny stays. Case Closed.

PLEASE FOOTBALL GODS....DO NOT LOT ZORN REPLACE EDWIN WILLIAMS WITH MIKE WILLIAMS.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Are you serious? Vinnie is the reason why Zorn's here in the first place!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Draft 2 tackles in the first 2 rounds, 2 running backs in the 4th and 5th, and a kick return specialist in the 7th.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 30, 2009 4:59 PM

Because there's so much magic in 4th and 5th round running backs? Even the Broncos got their running back in the first round. Here's the top ten running backs and their draft position:

Chris Johnson – 1 round
Steven Jackson – 1 round
Adrian Peterson – 1 round
DeAngelo Williams – 1 round
Maurice Jones-Drew – 2 round
Ryan Grant – Undrafted free agent
Thomas Jones – 1 round
Cedric Benson – 1 round
Michael Turner – 5 round
Ray Rice – 2 round

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I got no issue with BMW playing RG this week. 2009 was always going to be tough on him with the massive weight loss and multi-year layoff. But he has (had?) 1st round talent and likely has a better chance at being a good OL in 2010 than EW.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 30, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Newman, just bc people don't want a player doesn't make him a bad idea. That's kind of the point, finding those guys. Pats, Steelers, etc are good at it (Brady? Harrison?). Edwin looks like he may have ability, let's let him play and find out. You've already seen BMW and he may provide depth but he's also not young.

Now, as for vinny relying on these guys to produce from the outset, well that's why he's gotta go.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 30, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Stay away from free agents for the next couple of years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 30, 2009 4:59 PM

Sure, let's not use one of the three options available to get good players.

Skins only have a handful of picks, the players we have available to trade either won't get much value or are young and need to be kept, but you want to stay away from the only option that will improve the Skins.

This you must have learned from zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Why is it impossible to play the young guys and play to win at the same time? Of course I mean with this team.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009

Try looking at the IR list and you will see why. Its more about maintaining than winning. If they lose Campbell? How long before Collins goes kerplunk onto the IR? One game I bet. Then what? Then what? That line has to at least be competent ... and if they aren't someone gets hurt.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Great, another young guy that will not be developed because zorn knows better.

Why is it impossible to play the young guys and play to win at the same time? Of course I mean with this team.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 5:03 PM

Both of these guys are developmental projects. I realize there's a lot of Mike Williams hate up here, but personally I think it's likely that he's a better prospect for the Redskins than Edwin Williams. The only way to find out is to play him.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Because there's so much magic in 4th and 5th round running backs? Even the Broncos got their running back in the first round. Here's the top ten running backs and their draft position:

Ladell Betts, 2nd round. On IR may never play for the team again. Portoise multiple concussions. But lots of yards from scrimmage!

Doh, You need a line ... Sam Baker 1st round pick Atlanta Falcons look it up dude. That was the Redskins pick. Instead you have Larry, Curly and Moe.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

overzealous08- trust me, i definately was hopeful he could come back but no way now.
Jones should have had a TE (Yoder) or RB/FB help on that side.
I know injuries are a part of the equation but coaches get paid to figure out how to work with the personnel provided.
My thing is, I can stomach bad seasons. I can take rebuilding. I can't take a coach who won't play to win...

Posted by: priceisright | November 30, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

That line has to at least be competent ... and if they aren't someone gets hurt.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse
Yeah, cause they've been so competent with Mike Williams in there and JC has had sooo much time with Mike Williams protecting him. And if JC get's hurt are season is done! Oh wait..

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What got to me most in the Eagles game, was the last O play by the Skins. Campbell gets completely body slammed by the Eagles D lineman. And what does the team do. Look at him and mutter, "Wow, that must have hurt, you OK dude?". If this team had any heart, there should have been a fight right then and there.

Posted by: MDChelseaClub | November 30, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Are you serious? Vinnie is the reason why Zorn's here in the first place!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:05 PM

Yes. His players he has picked the last 2 years are developing. Zorn was only expected to be OC at the time Vinny chose him. He got elevated to HC by default. He failed more as a HC than the OC, because of his game management.

Vinny will get a do over with Shanahan at this rate. All thanks to Sherm Lewis. Because Lewis is proving this team has talent. And Zorn continues to F Up the game day management and starting line up...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If this team had any heart, there should have been a fight right then and there.

Posted by: MDChelseaClub | November 30, 2009 5:17 PM

It was a legal play. There was no flag thrown. The Redskins did not need a 15 year penalty. What the stupid line should be doing is stopping the guy from getting to JC, not fighting him because he did.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think it's likely that he's a better prospect for the Redskins than Edwin Williams. The only way to find out is to play him.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

And what are you basing that off of?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes. His players he has picked the last 2 years are developing. Zorn was only expected to be OC at the time Vinny chose him. He got elevated to HC by default. He failed more as a HC than the OC, because of his game management.

Vinny will get a do over with Shanahan at this rate. All thanks to Sherm Lewis. Because Lewis is proving this team has talent. And Zorn continues to F Up the game day management and starting line up...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Even though Kelly and Thomas have shown signs of life, we still don't know if their going to develop into quality starters. Vinnie virtually ignored the O line, and I tend to believe that Zorn wouldn't even of made a good O Coordinator. The man has no common sense..

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see:

1. Edwin Williams at RG one more game. That way big Mike can heal one more week and we can get a better look at Williams.

2. Barnes at CB instead of Carlos. If it were up to me, I'd cut Carlos to send a message - much like the Dolphins did last week. Hate his attitude!

3. Marko Mitchel on the field than ARE or Moss for that matter. Moss looks like he doesn't want to play anymore, so let him return punts full-time. ARE should not get back on the field unless someone gets hurt.

4. Edwin Williams at Center instead of Rabach when Mike Williams plays RG. If it doesn't work out, you can always send Rabach back in...

This isn't necessarily about who is better, but about the longterm development of some of our best young prospects. Time to play the youngins and get 'em some more combat time. You will be very happy next year that you did.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I am def not advocating Vinny to stay. But as I watch, I don't see change coming, save for a new HC & OC and maybe a new DC.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

And what are you basing that off of?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:21 PM

Draft position (first round vs. undrafted), experience (52 starts vs. 1), and coaches' comments -- they've had a lot more good things to say about Williams than Williams.

But I'm not claiming either is anything more than a project. With Mike, we probably need to find out this year whether he can do it. With Edwin, a rookie, we have time.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

But I'm not claiming either is anything more than a project. With Mike, we probably need to find out this year whether he can do it. With Edwin, a rookie, we have time.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't even pay attention to the coaches comments at this point. I mean, the fact the Heyer is still a starter makes them lose credibility. M. Williams has 52 starts, but how many at OG? I mean they were doing the same thing with Rinehart. He'd start a game or 2 then they would yank him out. I know they want to see if M. Williams is worth keeping, but it shouldn't be at Edwin's expense.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I think it's likely that he's a better prospect for the Redskins than Edwin Williams. The only way to find out is to play him.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:10 PM

I could buy this if you were a talent evaluator instead of a league source.

What is a league source anyway?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

2. Barnes at CB instead of Carlos. If it were up to me, I'd cut Carlos to send a message - much like the Dolphins did last week. Hate his attitude!

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 5:26 PM

"Send a message?" What message would that be? "We're even stupider than you thought we were"?

If we hang on to the guy we can get a draft pick for him in free agency. We cut him, we get nothing.

If you want to send a message to the team, then you make him inactive every Sunday, but you know? It really isn't going to make a difference.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Wait a gosh darn minute... who said Edwin Williams "struggled" in his starting debut? Dude was a monster, save for some expected false starts. Lordie, give the kid a break-- he showed more promise than Rinehart did! Let him gel, then move him to Center for goodness sakes.

Ugh.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 30, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What is a league source anyway?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 5:37 PM

Hey, it's the new go-to guy for the beat reporter. When Jasno wanted to quote someone without naming him it was "A talent evaluator said..." Jason Reid uses "A league source said..." I'm probably the most quoted guy on RI -- again -- now that I got my screen name re-aligned.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

...want to see if M. Williams is worth keeping, but it shouldn't be at Edwin's expense.
Well, I'd say we need to see if BMW is a possibility. I'd like to see EW get some reps, but it's unlikely at center right now because you have to have some continuity in order to evaluate anyone. Otherwise, you can just see how far each guy can push a sled. There are ten OL positions on the team, right now we have perhaps 3 "fixtures" (Dockery, Rabach, and Heyer). We can hope that we have some go/no go decisions on some of these other guys by the end of the year.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The message is that we're finally getting tough with the FO and won't put up with under performing players with bad attitudes. Perhaps it will send a wake-up call to guys like Portis that the winds of change are coming.

And what kind of draft pick do you think we'll get from a corner who keeps getting benched because he sucks so bad he's a liability to have on the field? Don't fall in love with the draft pick. Carlos is at best, common.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it's the new go-to guy for the beat reporter. When Jasno wanted to quote someone without naming him it was "A talent evaluator said..." Jason Reid uses "A league source said..." I'm probably the most quoted guy on RI -- again -- now that I got my screen name re-aligned.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:44 PM

Fine. You keep JReid up to date on all the happenings around the NFL and let the rest of us evaluate who should start where for our Skins.

Unless/until you re-align yourself again.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

4th string or 5th string?

that is a tough choice

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

We can hope that we have some go/no go decisions on some of these other guys by the end of the year.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 5:44 PM

I'd guess Edwin Williams is safe for next year because he's cheap and he's coming along. Mike Williams is a maybe. The biggest question mark is this guy Fanaica that they just grabbed from Philly. Be great to get him on the field for a few plays. Although, frankly, I bet Bugel can tell you what all these guys have got and who's worth keeping around.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

And what kind of draft pick do you think we'll get from a corner who keeps getting benched because he sucks so bad he's a liability to have on the field? Don't fall in love with the draft pick. Carlos is at best, common.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 5:47 PM

Agree to disagree.

'Los agent will put together a highlight reel and a story that will get him signed by another team for better than the vet min. He's had an attitude problem here, but he can contribute and he has an upside.

The other team would give up a 5th for him because they can't get anyone in the draft as good as he is in the 5th round.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

What got to me most in the Eagles game, was the last O play by the Skins. Campbell gets completely body slammed by the Eagles D lineman. And what does the team do. Look at him and mutter, "Wow, that must have hurt, you OK dude?". If this team had any heart, there should have been a fight right then and there.

Posted by: MDChelseaClub

YES, I wanted to see Zorn run out on the field and slam the ref, and then explain to him that it wasn't a penalty, the game was over get ejected. I didn't even think about the players, but you're right somebody should have 'freaked'!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

'Los agent will put together a highlight reel and a story that will get him signed by another team for better than the vet min.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 6:00 PM

Maybe. The other teams will have their own tape on him too. I bet they're gonna wonder why there aren't any picks on his highlight reel...

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This front office has 'hamstringed' itself so bad, I don't see much opportunity to rebuild or even hire a new coach.

only opportunity is to try an rebuild the O line.

I guess an uncapped year could create an opportunity, but are they willing to throw in the towel.... i doubt it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 30, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

BTW League, I'm not claiming Los isn't good enough to end up on someone's roster next year, I'm just saying I'd boot a guy with that kind of a BS attitude in the last year of his contract out the door, especially if he's a bust first rounder. Again, I think it puts the other guys on notice.

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"Here we go again. Zorn can't make up his mind."

He can't make up his mind because they both suck. :P

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 30, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What about the likelihood of Danny keeping Zorn as head coach, Greg B. as D coordinator & going after Charlie Weiss as Offensive coordinator? Danny continues to get to play GM but we have a legit offensive mind calling the shots.

Its sorta splashy & they might even draft that Claussen kid since he can handle getting hit in the face pretty well.

Posted by: will_ga | November 30, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"'Los agent will put together a highlight reel and a story that will get him signed by another team for better than the vet min."

I see him with the Ravens...seriously.

The guy can hit a ton and CAN cover....he just can't catch a ball to save his life.

I think he's a perfect fit with the Ravens.

Before you start beating the guy up I think you need to look at the d-coordinator. I'm not a fan of Blatche AT ALL. Dude leave GAPING holes on the field at all times and doesn't know when he has a great player Orakpo staring at him right in his face.

I for one think Rogers can play...he just needs some stick-em. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 30, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Weiss is not a WCO guy (I think), so why would you pair him with Zorn?

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

None of this matters. Until we have an owner with enough common sense to hire a real football person as GM (or Pres) these issues you are discussing will not make any long term difference.

Look at the teams who have built cultures of winning. You know who they are- I don't have to list them. It all starts with good management at the top. Which we have not had for a very very long time.

We have an owner who wants to win a trophy through Fantasy Football management. Doesn't work. Perhaps we've hit bottom and like an addict he'll be able to finally admit his weakness/ disease and take the steps required to re-cover (i.e. hire a top football guy who can re-shape the culture and fix the big issues at hand). I'm not holding my breath though.

In the meantime whether it's Williams or Williams is of little consequence. Whether Portis stays or goes means almost nothing. Whether Rogers can learn to catch a ball (or most likely not) won't change the picture.

Posted by: johnnyreds | November 30, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

None of this matters. Until we have an owner with enough common sense to hire a real football person as GM (or Pres) these issues you are discussing will not make any long term difference.

Look at the teams who have built cultures of winning. You know who they are- I don't have to list them. It all starts with good management at the top. Which we have not had for a very very long time.

We have an owner who wants to win a trophy through Fantasy Football management. Doesn't work. Perhaps we've hit bottom and like an addict he'll be able to finally admit his weakness/ disease and take the steps required to re-cover (i.e. hire a top football guy who can re-shape the culture and fix the big issues at hand). I'm not holding my breath though.

In the meantime whether it's Williams or Williams is of little consequence. Whether Portis stays or goes means almost nothing. Whether Rogers can learn to catch a ball (or most likely not) won't change the picture.

Posted by: johnnyreds | November 30, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's not like 7/10 won't be invited back, but everyone else has to earn their spot, and if Will Montgomery beats EW for the seat at the end of the bench, then hello practice squad.
Samuels - retires (hate to say it, but if I had to guess)
Thomas - retires (ditto)
Dockery - #1LG
Rabach - C (#1 or #2 - holding penalties)
Heyer - OT backup
Levi Jones - ? (he's been a decent pickup, but he'll want a real contract)
BMW - ?
Rhino - ?
EW - ?
Montgomery - ?
Batiste - ?
Faniaka - ? (too bad it's not Faneca)
Oldenburg - ? (drafted by the Patriots...)
"Danger" Will Robinson - ? (how can you not keep someone with that name)

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Until we have an owner with enough common sense to hire a real football person as GM (or Pres) these issues you are discussing will not make any long term difference.

Posted by: johnnyreds | November 30, 2009 6:23 PM

Got news for you. The "issues" we're discussing will never make a long term difference. It's a stupid game -- NFL football -- that we're talking about although the real subject of this blog is jibba jabba, not "issues." We're just passing time (or gas in the case of Mistamoe) waiting for the supper bell to ring.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

We're just passing time (or gas in the case of Mistamoe) waiting for the supper bell to ring.
I thought they just brought it to his cell and slid it through the door?

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Who coach's the O-line next year?I'm not sure Buge's comes back,i think he's done an excellent job with what he has had to work with. Edwin Williams did just fine on Sunday for the amount of time he had to prepare he may be a keeper that being said drafting O lineman is priority one for next year(ya think?).

Posted by: dargregmag | November 30, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I am not one to blame everything on Jason Campbell...BUT how much better could we be with a QB with a quicker release, quicker reads and is confident to throw into tight spaces.

Yes...our O-line is not good, but I see other NFL QB's make plays when the protection breaks down.

I'm not saying they are the second coming but it looks like Thomas/Kelly/Davis are hungry.


Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Typical. Don't let Edwin develop. BMW is hurt every other week so Edwin will be back. Geniuses.

Posted by: AdamCr

Letting Edwin develop would have the Zorn haters panties all in knots! They'd say he is getting JC killed etc... Can't win sometimes it seems. The answer seems to be most of the players on the rostwer are mediocre at best. Besides Fletcher, (long overdue IMO)who is a pro bowl player on this roster?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

GIBBS BACK??????? You've gotta be kiddin' me!!!!

Yes, we made two playoff appearances under Gibbs but here's his 2.0 resume as Team President

- Brandon Lloyd (gave him a new contract)...BUST
- Archuleta (became the richest player in the NFL)...BUST
- Gave a pick for T.J. Duckett...BUST
- inferior talent but good character (Thrash, ARE)
-played Brunell when he knew he was hurt
-gave up picks to move up to get Campbell when no one was gonna pick him when we did.
-gave the offense to Al Saunders but couldn't let him run it.
-coddled Clinton Portis

Gibbs was NEVER a talent evaluator...Why do you think Bobby Bethard was here?

Love ya' Joe, but no thanks!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I am not one to blame everything on Jason Campbell...BUT how much better could we be with a QB with a quicker release, quicker reads and is confident to throw into tight spaces.

Posted by: rickyroge

I just want a QB that won't get burned by his WR running a stop and go the way SMoss burned him.

OK, that's not all I want, but it's a place to start.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Letting Edwin develop would have the Zorn haters panties all in knots! They'd say he is getting JC killed etc...

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2009 6:49 PM

I am a Zorn the HC hater (not the person since I do not know him personally) and I would love to see E Williams continue to develop while starting at RG.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Jeeziz, now it looks like that viking female wife might have attacked El Tigre with a golf club ( Lord, the karma..) for zappin' that night club hostess (apparently a pattern of this possibly undercover Mata Hari to fool around with famous married dudes- the under the table blackmail market)..She probably smacked the sh*t out of him and he ran barefoot (he was) barely conscious to his car, and still enraged, she smashed the back window out with the golf club (good thing she didn't break the window of her emergency battleaxe and use that!), he wrecked and she pulled him out unconscious onto the street, maybe 9 ironning out a couple more problems on the way, before dialling 9-11..ah, love is a many splendored psychedelic nightmare..

Posted by: frak | November 30, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

- Brandon Lloyd (gave him a new contract)...BUST

NO Character. Even before he came to the SKINS. Clearly a Snyderator move. And don't tell US that Gibbs had complete control, because we now know better ... don't we or are you going to continue to be a a foolish RI blogger who, well, constantly gets fooled again, and again, and again!

- Archuleta (became the richest player in the NFL)...BUST
Doubtless brought to you by Danny and Vinny. Noting that Gibbs and Grilliams replaced him with Sean Taylor? That was a 1st rounder wasted on a safety wasn't it? Ask yourself, would the Snyderator waste anything on a safety? No.

- Gave a pick for T.J. Duckett...BUST
No way this is Gibbs. He never even used him!!! Again, the Snyderator in action.

played Brunell when he knew he was hurt
A better QB than what he had. He did bench him for Collins ... or have we forgotten?

-gave up picks to move up to get Campbell when no one was gonna pick him when we did.
-gave the offense to Al Saunders but couldn't let him run it.

Campbell is in the top 10 QB's list and he still has a lot of potential upside because of his athleticism. Doubtless, he would be on injured reserve by now with Colt otherwise ... or haven't you been watching?

-coddled Clinton Portis
Coddled? He sure looked more productive when Gibbs was in charge. And Gibbs was more than willing to throw Betts in there ... and Portoise knew it. The "coddling" again courtesy of the Snyderator


And people give me a hard time about Priest Holmes? GIBBS, YES GIBBs equals 2 playoff appearances in 4 years. Show me who else has done that that the Snyderator hired? Huh? I'm waiting? Idiots, what fools these bloggers be.

Posted by: periculum | November 30, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm re-watching this past Sunday's game. I noticed that in the shotgun formation, JC lined up four yards behind the center, similar to the pistol formation. I guess it helps in pass protection. It'll be interesting to see if they use the pistol at times during the last games.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

League-source

"We're just passing time (or gas in the case of Mistamoe) waiting for the supper bell to ring. I thought they just brought it to his cell and slid it through the door?"

I stop celebrating my 23rd wedding anniversary to check out the blog to see that once again, Brutus and his knife are at my back.

theCork has taken to throwing darts at me, and now my fellow partner in sarcastic crime, talent_evaluator/league-source has joined forces with him.

It's now batman and robin versus the nattering nabob of redskin negativism.

Can't a guy get a break?

I gots no friends in this blog.

I'd fart, but that would only drive folks farther away.

I cut back on the postin' and still get hit from behind more than a drunken sorority girl.

Mrsmoe and I celebrated the anniversary with Mr and Mrs Tiger Woods right up to where he suggested an after dinner drive through the neighborhood.

We came home to see that my daughter's stoner boyfriend had mistakenly smoked the christmas tree.

"Dude," he said. "How did the rastas get it into that little plastic bag?"

But I digress.

Don't I?

Always?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Besides Fletcher, (long overdue IMO)who is a pro bowl player on this roster?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

IMO, here's what every skins offensive player should do:
They need to sit Zorn, & both Smiths down and let them know that they are sick and tired of this conservative play calling. They are fed up with playing it safe. They have had it up to here with playing “not to lose”. Let the coaches know that they want to play a wide open offense, they want to take chances, and they want to attack the end zone. When it’s 3rd and 10, they don’t want any more fuc&%$# screen passes. When it’s 3rd and 11, they want the QB to throw the damn ball at least 12 yards down field. If it’s 3rd and one at the opponent’s 21 yard, they don’t want to kick any more fuc&%$# field goals. Let the coaches know that you want to play to win the mother fuc&%%$ game.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 30, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Besides Fletcher, (long overdue IMO)who is a pro bowl player on this roster?


Posted by: 1965skinsfan

Haynesworth and, if he finishes strong, maybe Andre Carter.

Posted by: dcwun | November 30, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks dc! how can i forget AH? AC, not so much too me.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

Since Gibbs seems to enjoy a "coat of armor" in your eyes and can do know wrong...

And since it's all Snyder and Vinny's fault...I guess if they ever win a Super Bowl they can take all the credit...cause they sure as hell take all the blame.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Besides Fletcher, (long overdue IMO)who is a pro bowl player on this roster?"

Sir, we have a team of accomplished players.

Consider:

Most Likely to Jump Offsides on 3rd and short-- Stephon Heyer

Best Sideline Fight--DeAngelo Hall v. the Falcons

The "He's Not Exactly Rick Upchurch" Punt Returner Award--Antawn Randle El

The "I Can't See Clearly Now" Stevie Wonder Concussion Award--Clinton Portis

The Couple that Can't Connect After Five Years Award--Jason Campbell/Santana Moss

Finally, team MVP--Hunter Smith.

Other than Andre Carter, he is indeed a Pro Bowler.

And that answers your question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

periculum-

Let me indulge two of your nonsensical points...

1) Brunell would not have been a starter on any other NFL team. HE COULD NOT THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD...and don't cite the Miracle in Dallas.

2) Campbell is not a top 10 QB...when was the last time he led us on a game-winning touchdown drive?

Down fu*k with me periculum...I can do this all night!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

IMO, here's what every skins offensive player should do:
They need to sit Zorn, & both Lewis' down and let them know that they are sick and tired of this conservative play calling. They are fed up with playing it safe. They have had it up to here with playing “not to lose”. Let the coaches know that they want to play a wide open offense, they want to take chances, and they want to attack the end zone. When it’s 3rd and 10, they don’t want any more fuc&%$# screen passes. When it’s 3rd and 11, they want the QB to throw the damn ball at least 12 yards down field. If it’s 3rd and one at the opponent’s 21 yard, they don’t want to kick any more fuc&%$# field goals. Let the coaches know that you want to play to win the mother fuc&%%$ game.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 30, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Jasno's "Lost Season" series went over Lloyd/Arch Deluxe/TurDuckett in pretty good detail. What I got out of it was that (a) the scouting package on Lloyd didn't mention the character issues, and Saunders really liked his fingertips; and (b) Arch Deluxe was a Grilliams wishlist item.
I give St. Joe a lot of credit -- the Spurrier experiment was straight disaster, and except for o-line the cupboard was bare. He fixed the defense in one season, and got to the playoffs twice in the next three years. That's a level of adequacy we haven't seen for the decade before or since.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

2) Campbell is not a top 10 QB...when was the last time he led us on a game-winning touchdown drive?

Posted by: rickyroge

Okay, so name 10 that are clearly better. And don't state the obvious of Manning, Brady, and Brees.

Posted by: dcwun | November 30, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so name 10 that are clearly better. And don't state the obvious of Manning, Brady, and Brees.

--

YEAH! Name 10 that are better - but don't include these three really good players. Name 10 OTHER guys!

HAHAHAHAHA....

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

That's awesome, see you take the top 10 running backs from this year and act as if that's even remotely close to a good sample size. Most of those backs are from a feature back system so obviously they are going to be higher draft picks. Now how about the backs in the multiple back systems?

Marion Barber 4th round
Brandon Jacobs 4th round
Ahmad Bradshaw 7th round
Pierre Thomas undrafted
Ryan Grant undrafted
Willie Parker undrafted
Tashard Choice 4th round
Tim Hightower 5th round
Justin Forsett 7th round
Michael Bush 4th round
Leon Washington 4th round
Mike Bell undrafted
Darren Sproles 4th round
Mwelde Moore 4th round
Michael Turner 5th round
Derrick Ward 7th Round
Earnest Graham undrafted
Chester Taylor 6th round
Rudi Johnson 4th round
Dominic Rhodes undrafted


This year is especially deep with power backs and small burners. These types of backs are built for the 2 back systems.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 30, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

10 QB better than Campbell (obvious ones not included):

Farve
Romo
LBM
Warner
Flacco
Rothlisberger
Ryan
McNabb
Orton(yes him)
Palmer

Posted by: bendersx6 | November 30, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rogers
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Tony Romo
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Ryan
Matt Hasselbeck
Kurt Warner
Phillip Rivers

All of these QB's are clearly better than Campbell. If you put any of those guys on this team, we'd be better than 3-8!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so name 10 that are clearly better. And don't state the obvious of Manning, Brady, and Brees.

Posted by: dcwun | November 30, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Rogers, Ryan, Flacco, Raplesburger, Mcnabb, Rivers, Favre, Romo, Schaub, and Palmer.
That was easy

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

KingPenn1, it's about time someone hit it right on the head, good job dude!

Posted by: pdsuter | November 30, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Vinny will get a do over with Shanahan at this rate. All thanks to Sherm Lewis. Because Lewis is proving this team has talent. And Zorn continues to F Up the game day management and starting line up...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse


The message from the Shanahan camp was that they are not interested in working with Vinny Cerrato at all.

What self-respecting head coach candidate would?

As long as Vinny is around we would NEVER land a head coach with the class and caliber of Mike Shanahan.

The only people willing to work in the Snerrato Big Tent are first-timers (a-la Jim Zorn) or out-of-work retreads desperate to get back into the game (Jim Fassel comes to mind).

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

KingPenn1, it's about time someone hit it right on the head, good job dude!

Posted by: pdsuter | November 30, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh a few more better tham JC:

Rivers
Rogers

Point is is it's a stupid distinction. JC is neither horrible or a franchise QB - he's just OK, that's it pure and simple. The Skins have so many glaring holes in their lineup on BOTH sides of the ball. You just need to bring in some good football people, evaluate what you have and start over from scratch, get way younger and consider it a 3 year project. This is much like Tampa Bay and KC are doing right now.

Posted by: bendersx6 | November 30, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so name 10 that are clearly better. And don't state the obvious of Manning, Brady, and Brees.

Posted by: dcwun | November 30, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse


Yeah!

Name 10 that are clearly better...oh, except you are not allowed to name any that are clearly better...

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Have you seen the other guys play that I named...

no fear
no hesitation
no slow reads

sure...they miss throws but look at what they do when protection breaks down.

So let me ask you this....are you saying that if any one of the QB's I named became available, you wouldn't want them?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rogers
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Tony Romo
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Ryan
Matt Hasselbeck
Kurt Warner
Phillip Rivers

All of these QB's are clearly better than Campbell. If you put any of those guys on this team, we'd be better than 3-8!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse


Shoot. At this point I would take Josh Freeman over JC17.

The kid has already shown me better ability to put a team on his shoulders and personally keep the team in the game and elevate the play of everyone around him despite playing with a bunch of crappy talent.

Things JC17 has failed to show me after 2-3 years.

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcwun | November 30, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

You set yourself up on that one, lol. Everybody got a piece of you.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

bender...

I like your plan, but fans have no patience for "getting younger". I would consider trading Cooley for Davis. Both are the same animal, but Davis is younger and a bit more athletic. Neither can block.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young, Matt Hasselbeck

Posted by: p1funk | November 30, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This year is especially deep with power backs and small burners. These types of backs are built for the 2 back systems.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 30, 2009 7:55 PM

That's terrific. The Redskins have always run a feature back system. Best they take a guy in the first or second round.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

So let me ask you this....are you saying that if any one of the QB's I named became available, you wouldn't want them?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 8:04 PM

If Elin Nordegren Woods became available, you wouldn't want her? Umm yeah! At least for a little while. But either case won't happen so what's your point? The type of QB's available this offseason aren't in the top 10 category, not even close

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Rebuild

Point #1

I would not necessariy draft an Olineman with a high pick. We need so much, either draft the best player available or trade back for more picks

Point #2

You need a stud LT, RT, and Guard. With so many third and 4th stringers starting, we may have some depth. I'd groom Williams to take Rabach's spot after next season.

Point #3

We need two quality RB's (speedster and power)

Point #4

Thomas/ Kelly/ Mitchell are keepers but we need an absolute SPEED DEMON to split time at PR and WR

Point #5

Only let Campbell go if your starter is clearly better and your backup is better.

Point #6

Get as many picks as you can!!!!

Point #7

We need shutdown corner.

Point #8

We need a MLB to eventually replace Fletcher

Point #9

We need a SLB and put Orakpo at DE full time.


Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

TWISI,

I would only let Campbell go if his replacement were clearly better. JC is merely average-no better- no worse!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Just hide the golf clubs.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Do you think that Gregg Williams will remember the 52-7 beat down that Belichick put on him in 2007?

Hope tonight is payback for Gregg. I'd like him to get ALL his payback tonight and be thinking charity when he comes to DC next Sunday. Our O will not know where the Tabasco sauce is coming from.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge then were are in agreement. To your 9 point list, I'd also add as point #10 a need for a DT ( a two down run stuffer at very least)that can fill in for when Haynesworth is hurt.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Naming guys you think are better = power rankings.
Name someone we can start next year, and i'll be interested.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams probably remembers, but recall that ST was out, Springs couldn't go, and Carlos went on IR in the first quarter.
There wasn't much of a lesson delivered that day.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I stop celebrating my 23rd wedding anniversary to check out the blog to see that once again, Brutus and his knife are at my back.

theCork has taken to throwing darts at me, and now my fellow partner in sarcastic crime, talent_evaluator/league-source has joined forces with him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 7:21 PM |

Did I say MistaMoe? Must have been a typo. I meant frak. Sorry about that, bud.

And happy anniversary! 23 -- wow. Me and the little woman did 24 a few weeks ago, but not with Tiger Wood. Some couple named the Salahis showed up and be bought them dinner.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

To think, I am not a hero, but I blog in the company of heroes.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Campbell would never have made that throw Bress just made.


Checkdown or a sack!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 30, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

To think, I am not a hero, but I blog in the company of heroes.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 8:42 PM

I can introduce you to the Salahis and you can dine with heros. If you pick up the tab, of course.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit it, but I know a real housewives of washigton finalist. Real nice lady, so you'll never see her onthe show.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh. Doesn't look like Gregg's gonna be getting his payback tonight. He's gonna be mad on Sunday.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Still early, but it feels like the Pats have brought guns to a knife fight.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I'll be so glad when JC goes somewhere else and takes that team to the playoffs and we get a QB who barely gets us to 7-9 with about twenty I N T'S then all of you will be happy.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 30, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I'll be so glad when JC goes somewhere else and takes that team to the playoffs and we get a QB who barely gets us to 7-9 with about twenty I N T'S then all of you will be happy.

Posted by: dargregmag

Any QB that gets the Skins to 7-9 would be an upgrade to JC who will be getting the Skins to 4-12 if the stars align once in the next five games.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 30, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Greggg really coached up McKenzie in the last 5 days. Or was that INT thanks to Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll be so glad when JC goes somewhere else and takes that team to the playoffs

Posted by: dargregmag | November 30, 2009 9:04 PM

What team are you thinking of? Montreal Alouettes? Las Vegas Locos?

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I'll be so glad when JC goes somewhere else and takes that team to the playoffs and we get a QB who barely gets us to 7-9 with about twenty I N T'S then all of you will be happy.

Posted by: dargregmag

I'll be glad when Zorn leaves and takes his fantasy football team to the playoffs..Then all of you will be happy

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

McKenzie has played 1.5 qtrs of football this year and already has more INTs than Los has in 11 games this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

paskinsfan17

Thanks for the running back info.

And you are indeed right about pairing a 'thumperback' with a 'burner'.

Good post.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

My advice for all of you is to drink. Heavily.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

McKenzie has played 1.5 qtrs of football this year and already has more INTs than Los has in 11 games this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 9:29 PM

Not a fair comparison. McKenzie didn't have to face a double move. That makes all the difference.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the pats had, they ain't got it tonite.

They don't have the running game to fall back on for one thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

They don't have the running game to fall back on for one thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 9:32 PM

They ran it down New Orleans' crawfish gumbo on the first drive. Not so much since.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Not a fair comparison. McKenzie didn't have to face a double move. That makes all the difference.

Posted by: League-Source

You're right. And the ball hit McKenzie in the hands which never happens to Los.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Talk about a blown coverage.

Looks like a linebacker wound up covering a wide receiver.

That didn't happen to the pats a few years ago.

They ain't what they used to be.

The saints are what the pats used to be.

Thing is, we play the saints next.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

You gotta cheer for the Saints in the hope of catching them in a trap game, right? I wouldn't want to catch them angry...

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, we play the saints next.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 9:40 PM

Yeah, but it will be on a short week, in our stadium, and they'll be overconfident because (1) they're undefeated; (2) point spread will convince them they've got it made; and (3) they've watched tapes of how we play. They're going to be looking past us.

It's not going to be easy but at least they won't come in here chaffing for a win like, oh, Kansas City.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Top FA Quarterbacks

Age as of 9/1/09. All free agents listed here are done so with an optimistic outlook that a new CBA will be agreed upon.

Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (26)
After leading the Broncos to a perfect start heading into the bye week, Orton has put himself in a great position for an extension in Denver. His numbers have improved across the board, posting a 100.1 QB Rating with only one interception through six games. If Orton continues to keep up his exceptional level of play, look for Denver begin talking with his agent to work on a lucrative extension. Should the signal caller make it to the end of the year without a new deal, he will enter free agency as the top quarterback available. The team needs to extend him so they and their fan base can finally put Jay Cutler in the past.

Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (27)
Campbell has been an enormous disappointment; in his make or break season, he hasn’t taken the big step forward to live up to his potential and has even seemingly regressed. He doesn’t push the ball downfield enough and has turned it over too much to be considered a legitimate game manager. Campbell has a 67.3 Quarterback Rating on 3rd downs which has led to an ineffective Redskins offense which has consequently converted only 29.1% on the money down. Campbell will likely not be retained by the Skins this offseason and will become an unrestricted free agency. I’ll be curious to see if any team tries to continue to develop him.

Chad Pennington, Miami Dolphins (33)
Pennington wasn’t finding the same success this year as he was in last year’s great campaign, even before suffering another season-ending injury. His shoulder injury luckily showed no damage to his rotator cuff which has already been operated on twice. He should be able to start throwing again in December or January, but is unlikely to be retained by the Dolphins where Chad Henne has played well enough to keep the team satisfied. Henne has the arm strength to stretch the defense and potentially develop a connection with Ted Ginn who has also been a moderate draft bust. A 33 year Chad Pennington coming off a third shoulder injury won’t garner much excitement in free agency, but may have the opportunity to compete for a one-year job on a needy team. Pennington doesn’t have age on his side, the arm strength, or the durability to be considered anything more than a stop-gap solution at this point in his career.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (26)
It’ll be interesting to see how a season behind Brett Favre will have changed Tarvaris Jackson. He looked like a player improving each season with the potential to finally turn the corner this year. Favre’s retirement decision will likely come down to the last moment again and will depend on he and his team’s play down the stretch of the season. If a new CBA isn’t agreed upon, Jackson will become a Restricted Free Agent in which Minnesota will most likely retain him. If not, his decision to stay or leave Minnesota could very well come down to how Favre’s decision turns out, or he could stick it out and go the Aaron Rodgers patience route.

Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (26)
Drafting Mark Sanchez spelled the end of Kellen Clemens’ future in New York. He was rather disappointing in his duty as a starter, making little progress. If Clemens is satisfied being a career back-up, he could decide to accept a small contract to play behind Sanchez. Perhaps he could get some more reps and another chance if Sanchez goes through some tough growing pains, but Clemens could be better off moving on and competing for a job on one of the less successful teams in the league. This is pure speculation, but Oakland seems like a potential landing spot where the Raiders can’t really afford to tie up another top-end contract to a quarterback.

Other Notable Free Agents:

Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (28)
David Carr, New York Giants (30)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (29)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (30)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (25) – Restricted FA
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (24) – Exclusive Rights FA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (25) – Restricted FA

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Note to Sean Payton:

Feel free to run it up on the Patriots.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Hope the Saints beat down the Pats tonight.

Looking at next weeks game, it's a good thing we have the top rated pass D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

drew brees is ridiculous......

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Looking at next weeks game, it's a good thing we have the top rated pass D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 9:56 PM

And an O that knows how to handle the blitz.

Posted by: League-Source | November 30, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Breez is too short to throw over his OL.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 30, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Drew Brees is ridiculous...."

He also has a nice stable of receivers who know how to run routes.

And I can't remember seeing too many dropped passes either.

And his center and guards are dynamite blockers as there's no pressure up in his face.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 30, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I see a 52-7 smack down Pats style happening next week. The good news in that is it might Danny over the edge with Zorn and Vinny.

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"Besides Fletcher, (long overdue IMO)who is a pro bowl player on this roster?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 30, 2009 6:49 PM"

The human touchdown machine Hunter Smith ;)

Posted by: ThinkingMan | November 30, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought suggested by PFT. It implied that Dennis Dixon could fetch a possible 2nd round pick for the Steelers if they were interested in moving him. Any takers if that was a possibility?

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

lol at BB getting the New England treatment by NO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Who is the head coach?
Let him choose the QB. I think JC is at/near the top of the available QBs, even if he has a track record that suggests a valiant but losing effort.
But if the WCO madness continues, then let him free and fit a WCO QB. Maybe McNabb will be available, and our receivers are used to having a QB that can't throw accurately.

Posted by: daggar | November 30, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Since the Skins are just about out of the playoff picture, I would not mind seeing an undefeated Saints team play against an undefeated Colts team in the SB.

Would love to see the Pats record fall and it is way past time for the Fins record to fall.

Again, only if the Skins are eliminated for post season contention.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Brees makes the game look pretty easy. Maybe it's the rum and coke, but this game is really enjoyable.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Brees is NUTS.

Posted by: keithrjackson | November 30, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Run the score up, please!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought suggested by PFT. It implied that Dennis Dixon could fetch a possible 2nd round pick for the Steelers if they were interested in moving him. Any takers if that was a possibility?

Posted by: TWISI | November 30, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

h-e-double hockey sticks no. So they draft a qb in the 5th(??), showcase him in a game where he's good but not great, and we reward them by turning him into a 2? No
thanks. He has a reconstructed knee too.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 30, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

There is hope. The Saints were once as sorry as the Skins are now. Who on the Skins current roster could start on the Saints? Maybe Hunter Smith. Snyder always makes the off season fun. This off season should be really fun - hopefully there is no cap.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

The Saints have an absolute smash mouth defense. Wow! Who is the DC that has put together such a brutal squad. He would make a great head coach. Smash mouth run based offense that sets up long bombs down field. Defense that blitzes from all angles and attacks relentlessly. I'm really impressed. Who is this guy?

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 30, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to get a feeling that even if we go 4 - 12 I think Cerrato is going to get on his hands and knees and service his master and talk him into giving him one more chance with an expected uncapped season, high draft picks to draft more WR's, and give Zorny another season to coach em up and turn this into something. God help us all.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 30, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

After watching the game tonight, should be an easy win for the Skins next week. No way Brees can play that good two weeks in a row.

Go Skins!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Hooo-boy. Do we have a game on our hands next week.

(Curzon, you slay me)

Posted by: edvar | November 30, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Drew Brees walked up to the Brady and P Manning table and said "Where's my chair?"

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

If there is a God in the heavens above the Saints are going to pound the Skins next week and hopefully lead to Cerrato and Zorn being shown the door and blowing this poor excuse for a franchise up. Change we can believe in!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 30, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

When you can fight like the Saints did tonight with a knife, you don't need no gun. 'specially when the other team forgets the bullets.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Not a fan of Florio but PFT usually has good post, but this one is funny. Especially since it's about the cheaters:

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Belichick says "uncle" to his new daddy

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 1, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

zorn should be fired today if he moves e. williams out of the line-up for m. williams put m. williams at rt and take heyer out of the line-up he is not worth a damm as a o-lineman. I would rather see e. williams at center next year and get rabach out of here the center of the o-line is always pushed back because rabach is too old, slow and weak. that last big hit on campbell in the eagles game was HEYER'S MAN does that IDIOT for a head coach know that? when campbell took that hit like many here have said NO ONE came to his defense on the field, the pusilanimous HC when they showed the camera shot on him had the expression on his face of F--k it did not happen to me"

Posted by: wathu19 | December 1, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

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