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Mitchell: 'Clinton could've worked harder'

Not many - if any - of Jim Zorn's assistants are expected to be around next season. We know now for sure that running backs coach Stump Mitchell won't be.

Mitchell, who has taken the head-coaching job at Southern University in Baton Rouge, La., had a lot to say today about Clinton Portis - and it's clear that this will be one of the toughest, most important and most pressing questions Mike Shanahan and his staff will face.

Mitchell gave Shanahan his final report on the 2009 running backs, and while he didn't reveal the report's details, he didn't mince words in a telephone conversation Monday afternoon.

Asked whether Portis would benefit from improved practice habits and better conditioning, Mitchell said, "that's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder."

"He's got to do that, and Dan" -- owner Daniel Snyder -- "has to understand that that's what has to be done. In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past, in order for them to be successful as a team."

Mitchell thinks Portis is still capable of being a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in the league, but only if he prepares like one.

By Jason Reid and Rick Maese  |  January 11, 2010; 2:46 PM ET
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I can imagine Shanny (Mr. No excuses) watching film w/ soup and soup tries to roll out the parade of excuses he's gotten from the media, fans, etc. "wahhh, it's not fair, it's someone else's fault that I can't read a D or throw the ball on time and win 35% of my over 50 starts. Call the wahhhmbulance!" Then this by DC: "The following quarterbacks have been released. Here is the list in alphabetical order: Campbell, Jason.... that is all...."

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"Mitchell thinks Portis is still capable of being a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in the league, but only if he prepares like one."


Well, if Shanny has the swag he is alleged to have, he'll throw down the gauntlet, and demand this out of Portis.

Poris might just excel in a reduced role where an expert playcaller uses him judiciously.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok, we have Captain Chaos. Captain Caveman. .... calling Captain Obvious.

The real story here is WHY he didn't do it up like he should... But we prolly already know dis too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Palmer, Young, Ryan, Cutler, Hasselback, Cassel, Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman

all QB's that didn't stat as well as JC, and aren't on the hot seat

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because most of them didn't build their stats up in garbage time and actually led there team to victories and were willing to throw the ball dowfield.

Posted by: ga8085

or maybe Campbell is just as good as those guys, but we, as fans, are emotionally unable to make reasoable analyses of our own players, because we were 4-12

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe most of that list is a bunch of question marks or older guys. Only Palmer and Hasselbeck on that list are established guys and there is no argument that both have had far more productive seasons in terms of stats and wins than JC ever has. The rest of the list is young guys, rookies, or guys in the first year of a new team. Young played half a season for a team that was 0-6 when he took over and he had twice the wins Campbell did. Ryan 2nd year guy who was hurt and missed multiple games, Cassel first year in a new system playing for the Chiefs (who beat us btw), Stafford/Sanchez/Freeman rookies who all missed games with injuries or because they weren't the day 1 starter, and there's no argument that Cutler had a bad year for sure but IMO you'd still be hard pressed to find any team that would rather have JC over Cutler.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

you think we sucked this year? start gettin rid of proven producers like Campbell and Portis and see what happens.

danny snyder 101, cut your best player after every season

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Those comments by Stump are a slam dunk!!

"DAN has to understand"

in you face Snyder. Stump just ripped your comfy, favor granting relationship with Portis.

I love it.

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Mitchell thinks Portis is still capable of being a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in the league, but only if he prepares like one.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And we finally have a coach with the authority and the ability to demand that of him or he will be benched or gone. Finally!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess they'd all rather just use the pick on a guy that has never played a down in the NFL...

Doubt it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Really? You doubt that?

Can you name an instance when a team traded a 2nd round pick for a 5-year veteran QB with a losing record who has never been to the playoffs or the Pro Bowl?

BTW - In case you haven't noticed, most teams use their draft picks on guys who have never played a down in the NFL...that is, of course, the point of the draft pick.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Evidently, Snyder was providing cover for Portis' lazy ways.

The first of many disclosures that will reveal just how "handcuffed" Jim Zorn was by management his whole tenure here.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 11, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2

so you'll make excuses for everyone but Campbell, because your emotionally attached to the redskins. my point was some bad teams aren't looking for a QB.

and we should be one of them considering the problems at O line, RB, DBs, STs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Is this REALLY news?

Yes and No.

The source shouldn't be trusted.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Jason Reid, did you bother to ask Mitchell about any other of the players who had a sub-par year?

Of course not.

What was his thoughts on how the playcalling/coaching was conducted?

What was his thoughts on an aging and deteriorated offensive line?


You know some topics OTHER than fuc_ing Rooney Rule or some lame ass stunt by you to show how many Portis' teammates or coaches don't like him.

I really don't get your 24/7/365 hate for Portis... you're acting like he and a group of midgets ran a train on your wife or something.

You're a transparent POS, Mayor.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Difference is, those QB's were still playing to win, not playing prevent defenses and down by a couple of scores. When it's crunch time, JC folds..

Pabrian: Stop throwing out that damn 10th in the league in percentage stat. What part of 80% of his throws were under 10 yds don't you understand? Gawd, its like trying to get through to a 2 yr old.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how much difference handcuffs make when you can't figure out how to get out of chinese fingercuffs.

...maps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Portis on LaVar's show this week: "Who Stump Mitchell? Some college coach thinks he knows how we do it in the pros? There's a reason he's in Southern and I'm a Redskin. When the owner wants to hear what Stump's got to say, the owner will be asking me what Stump think. I'm tight with the owner and I'm tight with the new coach. Stump's tight with the road out of town."

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"I can imagine Shanny (Mr. No excuses) watching film w/ soup and soup tries to roll out the parade of excuses he's gotten from the media, fans, etc."


To say that Jason Campbell is making excuses for his play by blaming the offensive line, injured running backs, wacky coaching changes, and forced play in systems that don't match his skill suggests none of those issues matter.

And they do.

I'd like for someone to pull up some examples of quarterbacks who recovered from being in bad situations early in there career.

I bet there aren't many.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Said a long time ago that I would have not started CP about every 4th game to give his body time to recover in season -- he's not a 16 game per year back.

Digging further, Portis had used the excuse that the wear and tear on his body of the course of the season was a reason he didn't practice as much. Perhaps if Portis plays less, he'll practice more and be more effective when he is on the field.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

we have Campbell, Collins, and Brennan

IMO we need to replace Collins and Brennan WAY MORE than Campbell

similarly, Portis, Betts, Carty, Ganther, Mason

IMO we need to replace Betts, and Carty NOT Portis - Ganther's cool, Mason = who cares

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse
TCollins is signed for $3.5 mill next year. IMO he is not worth that. JC can be tendered for about the same, but he is 10 yr. younger, has a stronger arm, is more mobile.

I agree that we keep CP, waive Betts & Rock. Betts will still be trying to recover from his surgery. We need to go younger and faster.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

It'll be interesting to see if Shanahan keeps Portis. I would imagine Snyder wants to keep him just to see Riggins' Redskin rushing record broken. Especially after all the Riggins backyard videos this season.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 11, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@RedDMV

Awful comment. Just awful. Resorting to namecalling, eh? Childish and petulant. That was just terrible. I think it makes obvious sense to ask the running backs coach to talk about the running backs, particularly Portis, whose status as a Redskin should be in question because of how he played and how he prepared.

Seriously, that was one of the more awful comments I've ever seen on this blog. And considering some of the folks who've posted here, past and present, that's saying something.

Posted by: CDon | January 11, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

you'd still be hard pressed to find any team that would rather have JC over Cutler.

Posted by: zjfr2

fine, but Cutler's not available

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

That would be funny league, that would show how much respect he has for coaches.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

this is as shocking a revelation, as Mark McGwire admitting to using steroids....I mean, you can knock me over with a feather right now....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Portis on LaVar's show this week: "Who Stump Mitchell? Some college coach thinks he knows how we do it in the pros? There's a reason he's in Southern and I'm a Redskin. When the owner wants to hear what Stump's got to say, the owner will be asking me what Stump think. I'm tight with the owner and I'm tight with the new coach. Stump's tight with the road out of town."

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:03 PM

Too articulate.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2

so you'll make excuses for everyone but Campbell, because your emotionally attached to the redskins. my point was some bad teams aren't looking for a QB.

and we should be one of them considering the problems at O line, RB, DBs, STs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, for the first 4 years of Campbell I was fine with the excuses. But after working with Gibbs, Saunders, and Zorn and having over 50 starts under his belt he still can't read defenses, throw an accurate pass that is beyond 5 yards or even keep track of down and distance (check to the run against the Giants week 1 and a throw away on 4th and 9 against the Cowgirls week 16). My excuses for JC are done. IF Shanny thinks he can get more from him I will trust Shanny's opinion and roll with it. But trying to defend anything about Campbell other than he is tough and kept getting up and trying is difficult for me.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree Moe I agree.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey League Sourse. You knoa how I know those weren't really Portis's words? They're still too comprehensible. If it was him you wouldn't be able to tell what the heck he was trying to say at all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"I can imagine Shanny (Mr. No excuses) watching film w/ soup and soup tries to roll out the parade of excuses he's gotten from the media, fans, etc."


To say that Jason Campbell is making excuses for his play by blaming the offensive line, injured running backs, wacky coaching changes, and forced play in systems that don't match his skill suggests none of those issues matter.

And they do.

I'd like for someone to pull up some examples of quarterbacks who recovered from being in bad situations early in there career.

I bet there aren't many.

Posted by: MistaMoe

actually, there are lots of them. Guys who were so-so and became good after age 30. Among the most famous in DC, Joe Theismann

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Difference is, those QB's were still playing to win, not playing prevent defenses and down by a couple of scores. When it's crunch time, JC folds..

Pabrian: Stop throwing out that damn 10th in the league in percentage stat. What part of 80% of his throws were under 10 yds don't you understand? Gawd, its like trying to get through to a 2 yr old.


Posted by: ga8085

i will stop throwing out stats, when people stop blaming Campbell for playing on a crappy team with a crappy system under crappy mgmt, with no Oline and no RB's

I don't think Campbell is a superstar but we have WAY BIGGER issues

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ha Diesel, we're on the same page.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree. It always seems like Campbell has problems reading defenses and making the right calls at the line. He rarely audibles, it seems, and that might be because he's not aware of what the defense is trying to do. That's my biggest concern about Campbell going forward.

Posted by: CDon | January 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If the QB has to be outside the lines or throwing towards a wr to avoid intentional grounding, then why is the common practice of spiking not intentional grounding?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Stop throwing out that damn 10th in the league in percentage stat. What part of 80% of his throws were under 10 yds don't you understand? Gawd, its like trying to get through to a 2 yr old."


It was my understanding the team didn't throw deep as much as there wasn't the protection you see from the teams that do.

Plus: Campbell just isn't a deep ball guy.

And there's nothing wrong with that unless you don't have the running game to confuse safety play.

He's a medium range, up the field thrower who might excel in a two-tight end power running system.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW - In case you haven't noticed, most teams use their draft picks on guys who have never played a down in the NFL...that is, of course, the point of the draft pick.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

thanks for that.

I didn't realize that was how draft picks were often used.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Rich Gannon, Stan Humphries, Trent Green -- all became good players after having pretty modest careers early on.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey League Sourse. You knoa how I know those weren't really Portis's words? They're still too comprehensible. If it was him you wouldn't be able to tell what the heck he was trying to say at all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 3:08 PM

I typed it out first in ebonics and then decided it's not worth the risk.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

This post right here is garbage!!!! HOT GARBAGE!

I can imagine Shanny (Mr. No excuses) watching film w/ soup and soup tries to roll out the parade of excuses he's gotten from the media, fans, etc. "wahhh, it's not fair, it's someone else's fault that I can't read a D or throw the ball on time and win 35% of my over 50 starts. Call the wahhhmbulance!" Then this by DC: "The following quarterbacks have been released. Here is the list in alphabetical order: Campbell, Jason.... that is all...."

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: onemikeclark | January 11, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My stance now is to have all defenses and no base set ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:43 PM

I was intrigued by that "Psycho Defense" that the Packers pulled out in the 4th quarter ... so is that some sort of NFL defense equivalent to the college "spread offense"? Seems like a risk on passing downs.

Also, why not trust "the source" (Stump Mitchell), the guy's position coach for two seasons, on his way out the door, with nothing to lose (or gain)?

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

actually, there are lots of them. Guys who were so-so and became good after age 30. Among the most famous in DC, Joe Theismann

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 3:09 PM

Remember the last guy that wore #17 in D.C.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

And if you don't think the Post/J Reid has anything against Portis....

,,,Why did they never post Jason Campbell's comments about CP and his interview on the John Thompson Show that happened the very next day???

http://www.espn980.com/audiovault/#

Why, because it differs from what was origianlly written by CP. They transcribed some things, but not others....

Start @ the JC17 interview @ the 3:30 mark....

Based on JC's comments, The Post needs to reneg on the whole interpratation of the interview.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

... why does it have to be midgets?

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 11, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Plus: Campbell just isn't a deep ball guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:10 PM

He used to be ... before Zorn "corrected" his throwing mechanics. When he started up here, esp. in the preseasons during the reign of Brunell, his deep balls were completely on the money and on a rope. [According to Moss, his deep balls are still too fast ... or some other excuse.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2

JC = 14th in yards, 12th in comps, 13th in att, 10th in comp%, 15th in avg per pass, 18th in TDs, 9th in ints, 11th in 1st dwns, 11th in 1st dwn %, 5th longest pass, 17th in 20+, 12th in 40+, 3RD MOST SACKED, 15th in Rating

GIVE THE GUY A LINE, A SYSTEM, AND A RUNNING GAME!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 3:00 PM |

Red - it seems youre just as much, if not more quick to vigorously DEFEND Portis - why? Its pretty obvious the guy is a "me"-first player which no one seems to want as a teammate. From coaches, to teammates, to position coaches, etc...

I don't think Reid is hating on Portis 24/7 - he's giving us info as he can get it. People are going to be interested in these exit interviews, and this is just one of them.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

yeh. I'm done w/ Soup's future. I don't have a problem letting him break the new line in, necessarily.

However, I wouldn't mind some stud QB comin' in and learnin' the ropes behind a re-vamped set of Hogs. And on THAT note, can we stop eschewing the 'Hogs' moniker. We're the only team that can own that persona. Let's run with it.

It all starts with believing. Then it's about getting your job DONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrzaTpIoAe0&aia=true#

sorry - needed some 'Canes love.. lol.

FOCUS!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

According to Moss, his deep balls are still too fast ... or some other excuse.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 3:16 PM

What do the girls at the club say about the speed of his deep balls? Too fast? Too slow? Just right?

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003 and PAskinsfan17,
Are you guys the same poster trying to double up the number of supporters for Campbell?

Look, Campbell had some highlights and some lowlights this season. I will grant you that he showed some real intestinal fortitude gutting it out with a swiss cheese o-line, but grant me that he has a real problem with his accuracy. I will grant you that he showed a spark when he responded to Portis' comments, but grant me that it is the most fired up he has been all season. He's got no fire and he has no accuracy, but he can lead by example and his accuracy is better on the short range stuff.

The team has to attempt to get something more out of this former first round pick than a "seeya!" at the end of the season. Maybe that means he QB's next season; maybe that means the Redskins finagle a draft pick for him. Surely, the o-line needs work before they worry about drafting a QB - or a RB, for that matter.

For the record, I would shut up about Campbell if, on the first day of OTA's (assuming he's still around), he walked up to Clinton Portis and punched him right in the face. I think that would set the tone for the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 3:07 PM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has always overthrown wide open WRs down field on deep passes. It wasn't something that Zorn screwed up.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 11, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, why not trust "the source" (Stump Mitchell), the guy's position coach for two seasons, on his way out the door, with nothing to lose (or gain)?


Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 3:13 PM

The source is JReid....He does alot of fishing.....And he never catches what he really wants, so he finds ways to strecth the truths and and conviently leaves out key parts of the story...(see post above)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I understand that, but that doesn't mean his 60 whatever completion percentage should be thrown forward as something to brag about. But even his short passes suck alot of times. On short curl routes, he waits too long to throw the ball, as the WR has already completed his route and is waiting for the ball.
Here's some QB's: Testeverde, Dilfer, Kramer..

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Cut that "me first" shinola about CPo.

You're forgetting the season ending shoulder injury in pre season a few years back. "Me First" folks (Receiver, The: Lloyd, Brandon) don't block like CPo.

The guy doesn't want to play for scrubs. You can chide him for that, but he will leave it on the field.

He comes from a team scenario. The "U" is a pretty tight fraternity. Multiple players on this squad will tell you, Skins are not a team now. It's a collection of mercinaries.

Now, can Shanny pull 'em together? I think so. I hope so.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Colt will start for Shanny.

Book That

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Reid is hating on Portis 24/7 - he's giving us info as he can get it. People are going to be interested in these exit interviews, and this is just one of them.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 3:18 PM

All this is is 3/4 sentences from a 20 - 30 minute conversation from a journalist who called trying to catch bass, but only found minnows....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Colt will start for Shanny.

Book That

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:23 PM
------------------------------------------
Oh, you had to say it, didn't you?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I think all the drama with Portis is behind us. Shanny's not too complicated on this stuff. A player either does exactly what he's told or he gets benched/cut/traded. (Crying to the owner, btw, is a serious infraction in a Shanny regime.)

On Campbell, I trust Shanny to do the right thing. It might be to keep JC, improve the OL, and see if JC can be coached-up. If so, consider keeping him; if not, trade him. Whatever, Shanny's too smart to devalue a player's market value by dissing him in public. Remember, Shanny's the one who fleeced us on 2 trades. He knows what he's doing.

Posted by: chris_zz | January 11, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

biggest problem = O line
2nd = FS
3rd = back up RB
4th = KR/PR
5th = back-up QB

IMO - anyone who is serviceable should be retained. because all of the unserviceable players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The simple fact is that we still have to argue about and make excuses for a guy after 50 starts says everything you need to know. I wouldn't even care about the winning % if I saw Campbell making accurate throws and plays when the opportunities present themselves. I can understand the loses playing behind this year's line with this years running backs. But the truth is other than one good game against New Orleans (in which he threw a crunch time pick 15 yards from game winning field goal range) he didn't have very many good games or even games where his positives outweighed his missed opportunities or mistakes. The home Philly game was a perfect example, he left at least 14 points and 100 yards on the field. The play that springs to mind is the slugo play where he pumped at Moss the corner bit, and Tanna was running all alone up the sideline but for some unknown reason, JC made the pump saw the guy bite and turned and checked down anyway. Jaws was killing him for it on air. Yes he had a bad oline, but he also missed a horrendous amount of throws and opportunities that there just are no excuses for. A 5th year starter, 50 game starter, shouldn't miss the throws he consistently misses and make the mistakes he consistently makes, and be incapable of reading defenses. Maybe Shanny can change him, but no offense to Shanny, I don't think he's that much better of a coach than Gibbs and Saunders that he can change JC that significantly, Zorn sure, but Campbell wasn't very good before Zorn got here, all Zorn did was fail and making him "the franchise QB" he was mandated to make him. IMO I won't be surprised at all when we draft a QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Portis would get in shape and live in the weight room if they paid him like a Pro Bowl RB.

Never mind, I just looked up Portis' 2009 salary...

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | January 11, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

biggest problem = O line
2nd = FS
3rd = back up RB
4th = KR/PR
5th = back-up QB

IMO - anyone who is serviceable should be retained. because all of the unserviceable players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Can't argue too much with that assessment, but I'd put OLB on that list as well.

I'm OK with keeping Campbell next year-- we're not going to win anyways--but I'd be equally OK with trading him if a good offer came through.

I just don't know how many good offers are coming through.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Put Colt behind some fatboys and a good young RB, then listen to the band play the fight song. If this team wants to get younger, start the young QB with his young recievers.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Hard to block your ass off for him after those comments..
Normally JC is a classy interview.. but, I think he got caught off guard.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

...and off tackle. and center, and from off the edge...

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

yeh. Soup is painful to watch. You can hear the "click" sound as he cocks to pass the ball.

I remember ONE game where he was actually getting his reads in, had time, made some throws. Was it Nwarlins?

Anyway, the week after? Back to 'bullet time' (ie: Matrix style slo-mo).

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse
I'll go one step further. When Theismann was killing him on the air because he failed to read a simple corner blitz. I mean, is that the line's fault?
I'll have no problem if JC comes back this year because of all the other needs, but enough with the excuses, he needs to improve his game. And I don't think Moss was dishing out an excuse. I've seen myself on several occassions where JC totally overthrows Moss. Ex. The 2008 Philly game, where Zorn was actually going for the jugular and JC overthrew Moss.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

photo on yahoo shows ARogers CLEARLY getting facemasked as the ball comes out....wow...sucks for them, and for the NFL...lousy way to lose a game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

look, there's 2 ways the skins can go into the future. they can take the short cut and draft a qb that may not be ready for a couple of years(expecially behind a non-existent ol), or they can build an ol that will run block and pass block for years to come. keeping jc for a couple of more years while you build a line makes more sense than throwing rookie raw meat to the wolves. we know jc will get back up, and if you build a good ol maybe he doesn't have to get up as much. ol first, rb 2nd, cp can stay, but at a much reduced role(if you can't take the hits you're in the wrong profession cp), and on d stop the crap with the prevent defense the whole game. it doesn't work when it's supposed to. and for the owner, he needs to take a step back and let the professionals he's hiring to run his team do just that. i know it's a fun toy, but you gotta know how to play with it, to not break it. step back danny and watch how it's done. in a few years maybe you can learn exactly how to play with it...then maybe you can even have some say on personnel decisions.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | January 11, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This thug will not work any harder. why should he---synder pays him millions for just showing up. He's more interested in the club scene and the ladies after practice.

Posted by: Socialistic | January 11, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

If soup had a negative 107 QB rating but led the team to the SB title, I would want him to continue to start.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Next year our Qb can only throw it 15-20 times a game if we want to win. Did anyone see Flacco's numbers against the Pats. I agree get the O-line ready for a run blocking parade next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"They're still too comprehensible. If it was him you wouldn't be able to tell what the heck he was trying to say at all."

This is why he's Snyder's confidante.

Posted by: AlohaFan | January 11, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"..actually, there are lots of them. Guys who were so-so and became good after age 30. Among the most famous in DC, Joe Theismann..."

"...Rich Gannon, Stan Humphries, Trent Green -- all became good players after having pretty modest careers early on..."

You've walked into the bear trap.

Of course it makes sense to consider the idea that a quarterback is more than just the sum total of his early years.

Kurt Warner is another guy who bounced around, played in multiple systems, then found his 'groove'.

Think of how Brad Johnson looked clumsy and awkward, then rocked in Minnesota, D.C., and Tampa Bay

The issue with Campbell is whether of not if Shanny sees him as worthy of extended patience or a caretaker who runs things as a drafted rookie learns.

Or: the team may deal Campbell away for another pick in rounds 1-4.

Either way, whatever happens with the guy will in some way be a benefit to the team.

And let us out of the trap St Joe set when he drafted a guy he soon fell out of love with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We're not the same person and we really don't even like JC that much. It's just that we already have JC. Getting a new QB requires the use of resources that we don't have. I've never met JC and I have no personal attachment to him. I just think he gives us the best chance to win and I still don't think we've seen his ceiling yet.

I don't like any of the QBs in this year's draft. I don't think any of them will ever be more than mediocre and what is the point in using a top draft pick replacing mediocre with mediocre?

None of the other free agents are really worth discussing. I could see bringing Troy Smith in as a backup with potential but other than that the free agent pool is more of a free agent puddle.

Pennington-Coming off his 3rd shoulder surgery. He'll be lucky if he can throw over the line of scrimmage.

Orton-Will probably be resigned anyway but he lacks arm strength and mobility. He would get killed here and be much worse than JC. He has simlar stats to JC even though he is playing behind one of the best lines in the league, has Brandon Marshall, and Knowshon Moreno.


I like the QBs in next year's draft better than the QBs in this year's draft. I'd much rather wait until next year and take Ponder or Devlin. I think they will be better QBs than any of this year's prospects. That being said, JC can stay in the meantime. He's already mediocre. He's only going to get better in his third year in this system. If you put a line in front of him and give him a running back we will be successful in the immediate future while still building for the long term. If our QB from next year's draft beats JC out in camp then who cares? We're only paying JC 3-4 million a year. At that point we would have driven JCs value up and will actually be able to get something for him in a trade. I really just don't see why we would get rid of him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

photo on yahoo shows ARogers CLEARLY getting facemasked as the ball comes out....wow...sucks for them, and for the NFL...lousy way to lose a game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

True. The Refs. were watching for possession of ball instead of Rodgers helmet.

Bet you're able to challenge something like that in the near future.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Portis has gotten away with too much too long. Snyder has allowed it. The only one we can dump is CP. Open the chute and let him go. Overpaid and underachieving.

Posted by: ridgely1 | January 11, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'ma let 4thFloor preach to the masses re: Reid vs. Portis. Since according to CDon, my comments are "awful" (you don't read much from me, do you?) I'm just going to fall back so he can school y'all on Reid and his crap antics.

But you're playing yourself, if you don't think that Jason Reid doesn't have a strong anti-Portis bias.

And Ryp, just fyi, I don't support Portis all the time. There are times that I wish that he'd shut up and just play. When he talks all it does is just fuel the haters with venom to spit at him.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to follow the Ravens model. Fix the O-line, then draft a young stud with speed and quickness to wreak havoc on defenses in the first half.
Then bring in Portis a la Magahee to wear down the defenses in the second half. This model will allow for any young QB you draft to grow up without taking alot of punishment along the way.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

yep, qb is the only problem, should draft one with every pick this april, then we should set jc's house on fire. thatll do it.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 11, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Put Colt behind some fatboys and a good young RB, then listen to the band play the fight song. If this team wants to get younger, start the young QB with his young recievers.


Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse
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This Cult of Colt thing has to stop. Maybe Campbell isn't the answer, but people, listen, there's a reason he was a 7th round pick (or was he a 6th rounder?): he's not a even close to being a legit starting NFL QB. He proved that last pre-season. He doesn't really have a strong or accurate enough arm and his decision making would be very suspect in a regular season game situation. Give him a couple more years at least and then maybe he should get a shot. But he's not the answer for 2011 or 2011, in my opinion.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 11, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Put Colt behind some fatboys and a good young RB, then listen to the band play the fight song. If this team wants to get younger, start the young QB with his young recievers.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:30 PM

I really don't get the love affair with Colt. He's shown bad footwork. He's some bad decision making on the field and off. He's injury prone. He might eventually become a good player, but now he looks like a backup. I wouldn't want to hinge the season on him. Get we a capable vet, a young stud in the draft (Skelkton), and Colt as the #2 or #3 QB.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Shameful day for baseball.

Steriods?

Again?

Why don't they just do like with football and look the other way.

'Cuz you know they do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

One of the Pouncey twins from Florida declared for the draft. The one who played center, si.com said projected 2nd rounder. The LB McClain from Bama also declared but no shock there as he will be going in the 1st.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 11, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis on LaVar's show this week: "Who Stump Mitchell? Some college coach thinks he knows how we do it in the pros? There's a reason he's in Southern and I'm a Redskin. When the owner wants to hear what Stump's got to say, the owner will be asking me what Stump think. I'm tight with the owner and I'm tight with the new coach. Stump's tight with the road out of town."

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:03 PM

Wait. Did he really say this? He thinks it's OK to be best friends with the owner and the HC? Doesn't he realize that it's not something that is looked highly upon? Get the one up on other players by becoming "friends" with management? Obtain this "friendship" so he doesn't have to practice? I really hope Coach Shanahan puts a boot in Portis's a##. That or he just kicks him to the curb so he can go play for the 'Fins.

Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

This thug will not work any harder. why should he---synder pays him millions for just showing up. He's more interested in the club scene and the ladies after practice.

Posted by: Socialistic | January 11, 2010 3:34 PM

Thug? You call this a thug? This sounds like common sense to me. It doesn't get much better than this.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"I like the QBs in next year's draft better than the QBs in this year's draft. I'd much rather wait until next year and take Ponder or Devlin"


Add Jake Locker or Ryan Mallett and that's a heck of a list to draft from.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

There is no point in blowing a very high draft choice on a QB. History shows that college
QB is maybe the most difficult of all the
positions to evaluate for success in the NFL.
Tony Romo is a case in point..undrafted coming out of school.
Portis will never regain the explosivness
needed to be a big time back at this point in his career. Gather..was a better back..behind a worse O line than Portis was
earlier in the season.
ADD TO THE LIST OF NEEDS ABOVE..TWO COVER TYPE CORNERS..ROGERS AND HALL PLAY SO SOFT
MY MOTHER COULD CATCH PASSES ON THEM.

With good drafting, and picking up some free agents..this team will need three years to really compete in the NFC East.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | January 11, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

bean, I'd much rather see Favre and Warner and have to hear about how "40 is the new 30", than to have to hear and watch stuff for two weeks about Katrina/"how they've finally made it to the super bowl" and the Dallas Cowboys.

If the latter plays out, I'm going into seclusion for the next three weeks.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Get we a capable vet.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 3:49 PM

Excuse the Caribbean in me....I meant to say

Get me a capable vet.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This Cult of Colt thing has to stop. Maybe Campbell isn't the answer, but people, listen, there's a reason he was a 7th round pick (or was he a 6th rounder?): he's not a even close to being a legit starting NFL QB. He proved that last pre-season. He doesn't really have a strong or accurate enough arm and his decision making would be very suspect in a regular season game situation. Give him a couple more years at least and then maybe he should get a shot. But he's not the answer for 2011 or 2011, in my opinion.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 11, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I really don't get the love affair with Colt. He's shown bad footwork. He's some bad decision making on the field and off. He's injury prone. He might eventually become a good player, but now he looks like a backup. I wouldn't want to hinge the season on him. Get we a capable vet, a young stud in the draft (Skelkton), and Colt as the #2 or #3 QB.

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The Cult of Colt is growing stronger, with members joining daily. One day you will join us as well.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

two words - "clean house". After all these near do wells are fired, shanahan can find some professional athletes that don't take their opportunities for granted. I'd rather support journeyman players that are motivated to work hard than primadonnas like the one's we've had for the past n years.

Posted by: DontGetIt | January 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Wait. Did he really say this?

Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 3:51 PM

Gosh, josh, this is what we call "a prediction." LaVar hasn't had his show yet this week. Tomorrow? Wednesday? Stay tuned and you'll say "Wow, that League-Source guy is a genius." (That will the the first time anyone's said that so you can take credit for the discovery).

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"One of the Pouncey twins from Florida declared for the draft. The one who played center,.."

The center was the best player on the gator offense this year.

Yes, I said that.

Note to Shanny: draft M Pouncey.

He'll start on day one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Moe, who got busted for 'roids?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Clinton has worked out in the past few years is his mouth.

Posted by: shoreterp1 | January 11, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Clinton has worked out in the past few years is his mouth.

Posted by: shoreterp1 | January 11, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

nevermind...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Add Jake Locker or Ryan Mallett and that's a heck of a list to draft from.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Stupid networks are pissing me off. I never get any Washington Huskies games. I've still never seen Locker play. Why wouldn't the at the time best QB prospect in the country be able to get a primetime game? I'm sure he'll get some primetime next year. He will be at the front of the QB class.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Plus Cooley seems to really like Colt.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

McGwire came clean on using roids....

which is akin to the sun coming clean on being bright, winter coming clean for being cold, and red coming clean for being a bama......tell us something we didn't already know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Shanny sent this guy packing in his prime, the clock is ticking.
On another note, Rex Grossman will be our QB in the fall coming here with Shanny Jr from Houston as a FA

Posted by: 3rings | January 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news...Mark McGwire finally admits to steroid use in the 90's. In other news, the sun rose in the east this morning. that is all.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Namath’s 19-year-old daughter has been arrested in South Florida.

Olivia Namath faces charges of possession of liquor by a person under 21 and two counts of possession of marijuana, including possession with the intent to sell. She has been released on bond.

According to the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office, a deputy smelled marijuana in a car driven by Namath during a traffic stop Sunday. Authorities found bags containing a green leafy substance that tested positive for marijuana in the car’s floor board and trunk. They also found a bottle of rum and beer bottles

Kyle Orton, I mean Joe Namath wasn't available for comment.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

On another note, Rex Grossman will be our QB in the fall coming here with Shanny Jr from Houston as a FA

Posted by: 3rings | January 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

That made me throw up a little bit

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

photo on yahoo shows ARogers CLEARLY getting facemasked as the ball comes out....wow...sucks for them, and for the NFL...lousy way to lose a game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse
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Every QB is entitled to the same beat down ours receives

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

biggest problem = O line
2nd = FS
3rd = back up RB
4th = KR/PR
5th = back-up QB

IMO - anyone who is serviceable should be retained. because all of the unserviceable players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:24 PM |

Biggest problem = whatever Shanny and BA says it is, and since you know as much about football as I do which = watching it on TV, why don't we let the Pros decide if they want to keep JC and CP.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

There are some veteran QB's in the league that know Shanny's offense well, he could bring one of them in if he decides to go with a young QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

OMFG!

McGwire used steroids? I mean who had a clue?

WHO KNEW?

Well, that's one down. Now in the on deck circle: Barry Bonds

This is funny though, him admitting it now, I guess that "The HOF doesn't define my career" garbage they try and shovel to the public is a bunch of bs. Dude came clean hoping that next go around he can get his votes up.


bean, suck my big toe.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Stupid networks are pissing me off. I never get any Washington Huskies games. I've still never seen Locker play. Why wouldn't the at the time best QB prospect in the country be able to get a primetime game? I'm sure he'll get some primetime next year. He will be at the front of the QB class.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

His reputation is much bigger than his game. He's a slightly smaller but faster version on Tebow.

Its hard for me to believe that many have seen him play based on some of the bloggas comments. He's an exceptional athlete who has bust written all over him as a QB. I mean the dude only completed 56% of his passes in a weak PAC 10.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

... red coming clean for being a bama......tell us something we didn't already know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 4:00 PM

I can't follow this. I thought that 4th was the bama?

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

There are some veteran QB's in the league that know Shanny's offense well, he could bring one of them in if he decides to go with a young QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:04 PM

Who are they, Flounder? We listed Patrick Ramsey and Rex Grossman. Who else ya got?

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

photo on yahoo shows ARogers CLEARLY getting facemasked as the ball comes out....wow...sucks for them, and for the NFL...lousy way to lose a game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

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Don't forget Larry Fitzgerald tackling Charles Woodson just before making his late-game TD reception.

And Cullen Jenkins getting held on that exact play.

Then Cullen Jenkins getting flagged for roughing the passer, even though he hit Warner cleanly just milliseconds after Warner released the ball.

I like watching Arizona play...but the Packers got brutally dismantled by the refs that game. Can't help but think of Tim Donaghy in this situation.

Posted by: psps23 | January 11, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Who are they, Flounder? We listed Patrick Ramsey and Rex Grossman. Who else ya got?

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 4:09 PM |

Sage Rosen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

This is funny though, him admitting it now, I guess that "The HOF doesn't define my career" garbage they try and shovel to the public is a bunch of bs. Dude came clean hoping that next go around he can get his votes up.


bean, suck my big toe.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 4:05 PM

He's the newly hired hitting coach for the cards. He had no choice but to come clean or he would be asked everyday on the job.

He was on the juice for a decade and took HGH.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

There are some veteran QB's in the league that know Shanny's offense well, he could bring one of them in if he decides to go with a young QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

You mean like Patrick Ramsey, Darryl Hackney, Bradley Van Pelt, Danny Kanell, Steve Buerlein, Jerrious Jackson or Jake Plummer?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

speaking of beat downs, loved the shellacking Baltimore put on the Pats. Seeing all the Tom Brady fans depressed almost makes living in CT in the winter worth it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 4:09 PM |

Sage Rosen.

Posted by: Flounder21

C'mon Flounder. No way! The same for Ramsey and Grossman.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

PA,

You crack me up you actually think you have a clue as to who would make a good pro QB. Have you watched any film on any of the QB's in this years draft or next.

If Shanny takes a QB with the 4th pick I think I'll trust that he thinks that QB is going to be a good pro.

Also I could probably gain 500 yards in Shanny offense so don't think we need to keep Portis to excel in the run game. A guy like Ganther or Aldridge will be 1000 yard rushers in Shanny's system easy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Wait. Did he really say this?

Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 3:51 PM

Gosh, josh, this is what we call "a prediction." LaVar hasn't had his show yet this week. Tomorrow? Wednesday? Stay tuned and you'll say "Wow, that League-Source guy is a genius." (That will the the first time anyone's said that so you can take credit for the discovery).

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Haha, yes, pardon my naivety. But we might as well say that he made this statement, because, well, he's going to. CP #26 or DeSean Jackson #10. Who talked more garbage and produced less? (DJ#10 did well in regular season, but he talked so much garbage before that Wild Card game in Dallas and he had what? 7 yds. receiving?)


Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to follow the Ravens model. Fix the O-line, then draft a young stud with speed and quickness to wreak havoc on defenses in the first half.
Then bring in Portis a la Magahee to wear down the defenses in the second half. This model will allow for any young QB you draft to grow up without taking alot of punishment along the way.


Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin that.

Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Flounder. No way! The same for Ramsey and Grossman.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 4:17 PM |

I'm not saying any of them are better then JC, I'm just saying if Shanny gets a pick for JC and lets him go he could use one of those guys for a year until the rookie is ready.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If there is an uncapped year next year, there is absolutely NO reason Portis should be on this team. He is a washed-up malcontent. Cutting him will prove whether or not things will actually change around here.

Posted by: cnoll | January 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to follow the Ravens model. Fix the O-line, then draft a young stud with speed and quickness to wreak havoc on defenses in the first half.
Then bring in Portis a la Magahee to wear down the defenses in the second half. This model will allow for any young QB you draft to grow up without taking alot of punishment along the way.


Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin that.

Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse
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Just a nugget for all the stat junkies out there... Flacco had a 10.0 rating yesterday. And yes, the decimal is in the right place.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

My stance now is to have all defenses and no base set ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:43 PM

I was intrigued by that "Psycho Defense" that the Packers pulled out in the 4th quarter ... so is that some sort of NFL defense equivalent to the college "spread offense"? Seems like a risk on passing downs.

Also, why not trust "the source" (Stump Mitchell), the guy's position coach for two seasons, on his way out the door, with nothing to lose (or gain)?


Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It sure was confusing, wasn't it? But I think it confused GB more than Kurt Warner. 29-33! Wow.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying any of them are better then JC, I'm just saying if Shanny gets a pick for JC and lets him go he could use one of those guys for a year until the rookie is ready.

Posted by: Flounder21

Based on the few comments Shanny has made, I think JC will be back. The thing with great coaches is they see the physical tools and believe they can get any player to perform at an acceptable level.

Also, I don't think Shanny came here to lose for a couple of years.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Regarding McWire's admission to using roids:

I have had a feeling that in the last few seasons there has been something new floating around in football like steroids. Maybe it is another version of growth hormone, or maybe some other thing, but it seems like it is not currently detectable. In that Washington - Baltimore game last year, it seemed like all of their guys were faster and stronger. It just seemed unnatural. Now the Jets, traditional doormats of the NFL, are suddenly playing physical football. What do you think? What drugs are we going to be hearing about in ten years, that the players were doing today?

BTW, does the league test for blood doping? If not, why wouldn't every player on every team start doing it at half time?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I like the QBs in next year's draft better than the QBs in this year's draft. I'd much rather wait until next year and take Ponder or Devlin. I think they will be better QBs than any of this year's prospects. That being said, JC can stay in the meantime. He's already mediocre. He's only going to get better in his third year in this system. If you put a line in front of him and give him a running back we will be successful in the immediate future while still building for the long term. If our QB from next year's draft beats JC out in camp then who cares? We're only paying JC 3-4 million a year. At that point we would have driven JCs value up and will actually be able to get something for him in a trade. I really just don't see why we would get rid of him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

PA, this is the kind of post from you I'm talking about, you go on and on like you have some authoritative knowledge that any QB is going to be a better pro than some other from this year. Come off it. There are now guarantees that any of them will or won't be good pros. If a HOF coach and a quality GM determine that a qb in this draft is a better option than JC I'll take their word over yours and your awesome position and analysis that this year's class which has two heisman trophy winners, three of the winning-est QBs in the history of college football, a QB who played in a pro style offense for a former coordinator of some of the best offenses in history (Clausen), and several other quality prospects. Forgive me if I think your opinion is worth the amount of money I paid to get it. I'll roll with whatever Shanny chooses.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

photo on yahoo shows ARogers CLEARLY getting facemasked as the ball comes out....wow...sucks for them, and for the NFL...lousy way to lose a game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 3:31 PM

Yes, does suck for them, but unfortunately, the photo evidence also CLEARLY shows the Packers won the coin toss and that Rodgers overthrew Jennings by a couple yards for the game winning TD when Jennings had a step or two on Rolle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

rsh, MLB doesn't have a test or test for HGH, so do with that what you will....

the jets have a number of guys, D-Brick, Mangold, etc, who were high round draft picks, so I'm not surprised at their progression....not to mention Thomas Jones.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Dont respect any coach that takes shots on the way out and couldnt say this about portis while he was here.


SUCKA

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 11, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

PA, this is the kind of post from you I'm talking about, you go on and on like you have some authoritative knowledge that any QB is going to be a better pro than some other from this year. Come off it. There are now guarantees that any of them will or won't be good pros. If a HOF coach and a quality GM determine that a qb in this draft is a better option than JC I'll take their word over yours and your awesome position and analysis that this year's class which has two heisman trophy winners, three of the winning-est QBs in the history of college football, a QB who played in a pro style offense for a former coordinator of some of the best offenses in history (Clausen), and several other quality prospects. Forgive me if I think your opinion is worth the amount of money I paid to get it. I'll roll with whatever Shanny chooses.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse


It's not exactly just my opinion. I read scouting reports, sportwriters analysis, and watch a ton of college football. If all you want is shanny's opinion then go post on Shanahan insider.com. This is a website for Skins fans to put up our opinions.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Based on the few comments Shanny has made, I think JC will be back. ...

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 4:26 PM

Based on the few comment he made, the only thing I think is that Shanahan is maintaining if not increasing Jason Campbell's value to everyone else around the league who might be listening (including Campbell's agent, who probably is just as unsure what to make of it as anyone else).

That said, all I got is agreement with zjfr2 and his [SJK]ing kids on the whatever/wait-and-see approach to the QB position.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't belive anyone is still debating about Jason Campbell.

He's a POS, the film shows it, and once Shanahan is done watching it he'll start to make serious plans for who his three QBs will be on opening day 2010.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I still mock mock drafts, but the sites are still interesting to see what other people notice about a particular player.

I like this one about the OT from Rutgers, whose name for whatever reason I forget almost as soon as I read it ... anyway, the run down on the guy doesn't make the guy sound like a fit just because they compare him to Chris Samuels (the same site compares Okung to D'Brickashaw Ferguson), but because of how they describe his run blocking.

http://www.newerascouting.com/12/anthony-davis-scouting-report/

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm feelin that.

Posted by: joshgrzymkowski | January 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

That's what she said. (sorry I couldn't resist.)

In regards to JC, it hasn't mattered who has coached him, he can't READ the D. He has had some of the best offensive minds coach him, (barring Zorn, but he is a decent QB coach) He merely has been the ONLY option. I am not saying he doesn't have talent, because clearly to get to this level, you have to, BUT, he isn't the long term plan. He just is the best we have had thus far.

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 11, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll roll with whatever Shanny chooses.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I bet someone once said this about Vinny Cerrato too.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Andrey Blatche?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I bet someone once said this about Vinny Cerrato too.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 4:46 PM |

Comparing Vinny to Shanny your joking right?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I really don't get the love affair with Colt. He's shown bad footwork. He's some bad decision making on the field and off. He's injury prone. He might eventually become a good player, but now he looks like a backup. I wouldn't want to hinge the season on him. Get we a capable vet, a young stud in the draft (Skelkton), and Colt as the #2 or #3 QB.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 3:49 PM


THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU...and who F'N cares if Cooley likes Colt, really.

Colt has looked atrocious, period.

Oh yeah, I think the Mayor is bush league, said it once, will say it again...his sources suck, always a day late with info and he is the most biased sports writer I have seen in a while, alot more than JLAC - at least he had better sources...Leigh F'n Torrence, baby.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse


It's not exactly just my opinion. I read scouting reports, sportwriters analysis, and watch a ton of college football. If all you want is shanny's opinion then go post on Shanahan insider.com. This is a website for Skins fans to put up our opinions.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 4:33 PM

I often agree with PA17, not necessarily about JC, but on college prospects.

My wife would agree that I spend more time following college football and keeping up with the potential prospects than a lot of scouts.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Plus Cooley seems to really like Colt.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse
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Then by all means, let's put him in the HOF right now. He's just not good enough for the prime time, yet, in my humble opinion. If he matures and works on his delivery, accuracy, and decision making, then maybe someday he'll deserve a shot. More likely, I think, is that he's a career backup. Okay, I'm done now.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 11, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Based on the few comments Shanny has made, I think JC will be back. ..."

While before I thought he was a gonner, I think JC will be back also unless someone gives him a long term deal the Skins do not weant to match.

Remember, someone else could always back load the contract and give him a larger signing bonus.

But yeah, I agree. He said nothing but good things about JC, while he has said some "iffy" things about Clinton.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 11, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU...and who F'N cares if Cooley likes Colt, really.

Colt has looked atrocious, period.

Oh yeah, I think the Mayor is bush league, said it once, will say it again...his sources suck, always a day late with info and he is the most biased sports writer I have seen in a while, alot more than JLAC - at least he had better sources...Leigh F'n Torrence, baby.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

And JC17 has looked Stellar, as will some make believe 1st rd savior. Colt will thrive if given the chance.

Don't H8 on H8

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The simple fact is that we still have to argue about and make excuses for a guy after 50 starts says everything you need to know. I wouldn't even care about the winning % if I saw Campbell making accurate throws and plays when the opportunities present themselves.
Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 3:25 PM

Exactly. Big Ben plays behind a sucky O line, holds the ball too long, had a middling rushing attack, had key people injured for long periods of time (Polamalu, Parker, Ward...) and yet playing one game less than Campbell managed to win 9 games, throw for 700 more yards, complete more passes and a higher percentage, get a 14 point better QB rating, 6 more TDs and 3 fewer picks and fumble less...while getting sacked 7 more times.

The Skins and Steelers had statistically comparable D's and similar offensive issues with regards to injuries, line play, etc. What those stats say is that BR makes plays and JC doesn't. Anybody who watches the two QBs can see that. But stats really can't tell you about making timely plays (when it counts) - something BR does really really well and something JC is horrible at. It is the difference between say a Danny White and a Troy Aikman or Roger Staubach.

If JC would show a glimmer of playmaking ability, I would say keep him. But he hasn't and while there may be nobody better out there, I vote to start looking.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Ladell Betts is a much better back than Portis - and Betts is a professional. There is no question in my mind this team is much better with Betts. Having said that, I would love to see them pick up Mark Ingram or Toby Gerhart in the draft. Both those guys will be stud RBs in the NFL for many years.

Posted by: AsstGM | January 11, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AsstGM | January 11, 2010 5:03 PM

Better bet that Betts never plays again and Ingram would be a great pick next year, barring injury during his Jr year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

http://www.newerascouting.com/12/anthony-davis-scouting-report/

Posted by: dcsween

I see why some folks have put him ahead of Okung. I hope its true.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Portis looked heavier and fatter at RB this year (Beginning). He looked slower and more winded.... it is maybe why he fell anytime somebody put a finger on him. I am sorry, you can't jsut turn it on on Sunday without preparing during the week and of course it was proven this year because he was horrible. Lets see what plays out but I do understadn the undrmining of "Mr Nice Guy" Jim Zorn. Watch, you make fun of him but if he goes to Chicago, do not be surprised if he succeeds as the OC

Posted by: rvanags | January 11, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Definition of an optimistic? Anyone who thinks that Campbell would prove he is a good QB.

LOL. 5 Years with coaches like Saunders, Gibbs, Zorn, etc., coaches that have a proven record with QBs and this man still acts like a young guy just out of high school. Flaco, Sanchez, to name a few, came into the league and on their first year have already won play-off game. Yes. They also had new coaches, new systems, blah, blah, blah.
It is time to send Campbell packing.

Posted by: hock1 | January 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

to see them pick up Mark Ingram or Toby Gerhart in the draft. Both those guys will be stud RBs in the NFL for many years.

Posted by: AsstGM | January 11, 2010 5:03 PM |

Ingram is not eligable for the draft until next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Watch, you make fun of him but if he goes to Chicago, do not be surprised if he succeeds as the OC

Posted by: rvanags | January 11, 2010 5:06 PM |

That was a nice bit of humer with my dinner thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

RE: Campbell -- he's not Peyton Manning but neither is he the biggest problem on this team by a long shot.

Which of these options do you Campbell-haters propose to improve the situation? None of them sound very good to me:
1) Spend our #4 pick on a rookie and start Todd Collins on an interim basis - too risky; the team has bigger needs for that #4 pick; there are no QB's in the draft this year that merit a #4 pick. Also, Collins is a journeyman for a reason.
2) Spend our #4 pick on a rookie and start Colt Brennan on an interim basis - see 1) above, plus, Colt Brennan does not have the size or mechanics to play in the NFL.
3) Trade draft picks for someone else's unwanted QB. - who? an old Donovan McNabb? Shaun Hill?
4) Sign an unwanted QB as a free agent.- again, who is out there that is going to improve this team? Vick (well, maybe). Derek Anderson? Garcia? Kerry Collins? Delhomme? Again, I'm just not seeing it. Quality QB's are not allowed to become free agents.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 11, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because most of them didn't build their stats up in garbage time and actually led there team to victories and were willing to throw the ball dowfield.

Yea um his stats wherent built on garbage time and you cant look at Campbell win/loss record because he didnt have team around him no run game oline or big playmakers. He wasnt able to throw down field because 1st protection broke down every time did 7 step drop 2nd coaches skailed the playbook down to help the offense line protect Campbell better with 3 step drops. Thats why plays where no more then 20 yds Qb needs time so recievers can run there routes and get open for Campbell to make the throw.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | January 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Watch, you make fun of him but if he goes to Chicago, do not be surprised if he succeeds as the OC

Posted by: rvanags | January 11, 2010 5:06 PM |

the only place i see him succeeding is in INDY.

Manning to Coach Z - You stand over there on the sidelines, put that pretty colored coded chart up to your face and say whatever you want. I will call the play and make you look good. Now sit down, I have to make a game plan for the next game.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Watch, you make fun of him but if he goes to Chicago, do not be surprised if he succeeds as the OC

Posted by: rvanags | January 11, 2010 5:06 PM |

That was a nice bit of humer with my dinner thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:15 PM

Lovie Smith should be fired right now instead of waiting until next offseason.

How could you compile a list of OC candidates and have Zorn on that list.

I’m not even sure he should be a candidate for the QB coach.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

stump mitchell was a running back for the cardinals when neil lomax was the QB and a good running back and kick returner similar to brian westbrook. I have mentioned this twice before when gibbs drafted campbell he said campbell was very accurate and was a deep down field passer..until that weak minded a-hole zorn came in and changed his mechanics similar to his non-athletic mediocre arm hippy(dippy) type qb. campbell should immediately drop this kind of idiotic so-called coaching from zorn and go back to the passing style that is natural for him. do any of you morons really think that the "great white hope colt brennan will start for this team next year? this punk would not last one game he is another weakling with no arm like jim (or ED does not matter)mcmahon one of the biggest frauds in the nfl.

Posted by: wathu19 | January 11, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

RE: Campbell -- he's not Peyton Manning but neither is he the biggest problem on this team by a long shot.

Which of these options do you Campbell-haters propose to improve the situation?

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 11, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse


How about this an an option:

Let the Shanahan's bring in a vet that they've worked with who already knows their
offense and use him as a place-warmer for a year or 2 while the rest of the team and a young QB develops.

This will save the Shanahan's the headache of having to teach our mediocre QB a brand new offense from scratch only to replace him a year later.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

JReid's plan is working....

....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Love the draft to look like this in the first 4 rounds.

Rd. 1 - Okung (OT)
Rd. 2 - Iupati (OG)
Rd. 3 - *Jarmon (DT)
Rd. 4 - LeFevour (QB)

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

After declining Redskins request last week, Denver granted Washington permission on Monday to interview Broncos RB coach Bobby Turner. how about yalll get on your job redskins insider always the last source but the closet source. SMH

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The Post's anti-Portis conspiracy has long been established. Don't believe his coach, teammates, statistics, his own mouth or your own ears and eyes. He's a productive back and a great teammate!

Posted by: mack1 | January 11, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Which of these options do you Campbell-haters propose to improve the situation?

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 11, 2010 5:16 PM |
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Why are they "Campbell-haters?" Because they disagree with you?

You confuse the issue. With Jason Campbell, it isn't about hating him, there is NOTHING to like.

He's garbage, period.

And I don't care if he's a fine humanitarian, an animal-lover, and helps old ladies cross the street.

As a QB, there is nothing THERE. He's a void. He's so frigging dumb his nickname should be "Moose."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

After declining Redskins request last week, Denver granted Washington permission on Monday to interview Broncos RB coach Bobby Turner. how about yalll get on your job redskins insider always the last source but the closet source. SMH

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 5:28 PM |

Where did you get this?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

After declining Redskins request last week, Denver granted Washington permission on Monday to interview Broncos RB coach Bobby Turner. how about yalll get on your job redskins insider always the last source but the closet source. SMH

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 5:28 PM |

Is this true?

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

There are 17 starting qb's with fewer yards than campbell joe flacco,Donavan McNabb,Carson Palmer,Matt Ryan,and Marc Sanchez just to name a few. he was 10th among starters in completion pecentage and threw 20 Td's behind the worst offensive line in the league with no true #1 wide reciever or a running game that posed a threat! Campbell is far from being the problem and the use of the number 4 overall pick on a qb would be down right stupid. The only way Campbell should leave is if a truely ELITE QB falls into our lap.

Posted by: hondaman579 | January 11, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 5:38 PM |

Thanks,

When it comes to Shanny nobody will scoop Schefter he is Shanny's buddy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Nice! I will take it. Such a good feeling about the direction we are headed.

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin


What makes you think JC is dumb? Furthermore who should be the qb next year if he is not.Since you seem to have all the answers im curious to hear who our new qb is going to be.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | January 11, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

LeFevour

Posted by: ChrisWoody | January 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin


What makes you think JC is dumb? Furthermore who should be the qb next year if he is not.Since you seem to have all the answers im curious to hear who our new qb is going to be.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | January 11, 2010 5:43 PM |

Shanny will make the choice, I think he is more qualified then all of us combined.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Interesting on the Bobby Turner thing. Wonder what kind of deal is in the works there. Will we be taking Brandon off of their hands with the coach for a bunch of picks and players? Only time will tell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm stunned by those who say that the Redskins have finally hired somebody with authority to make good decisions. Uh, how did this happen? The GENIUS is not Paul, the scales have not fallen from his eyes. This is the same guy only weeks ago banned signs that blasted his competence. So, how did he suddenly get religion? If you think Shanahan is going to save the Redskins you skipped drinking the Kool Aid, you snorted Kool Aid powder. Dream on!

Posted by: atidwell | January 11, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton downplays tensions between U.S., China"

Sounds like he's working pretty hard to me

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Scamp I doubt it, maybe JM realizes that when he is trying to hire coaches in the future, that being a d_ck and not letting coaches interview if they want to could come back to bite him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I think lots of QB's could go 5-11 in the NFL which would be better than soup this season including Colt or Collins.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it the coaches job to demand good work ethic from his players? Just saying. Portis may have a good season next year after all! I LOVE his work ethic on Sundays.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

WooHoo Koolaud powder. Let me tell you something atidwell, we are better off today than we were yesterday. I'd rather have Shanny than Zorn. YOU missed the big picture. This is about improvement.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Scamp I doubt it, maybe JM realizes that when he is trying to hire coaches in the future, that being a d_ck and not letting coaches interview if they want to could come back to bite him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:51 PM |

Could be but this team seems to have some close ties to the Broncos that go back a ways.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm stunned by those who say that the Redskins have finally hired somebody with authority to make good decisions. Uh, how did this happen? The GENIUS is not Paul, the scales have not fallen from his eyes. This is the same guy only weeks ago banned signs that blasted his competence. So, how did he suddenly get religion? If you think Shanahan is going to save the Redskins you skipped drinking the Kool Aid, you snorted Kool Aid powder. Dream on!

Posted by: atidwell | January 11, 2010 5:49 PM |

What the SJK are you talking about Shanny didn't ban anything he wasn't even here when that happened. Shanny is in full control, you sound like one of those dumb a$$ Dallas fans go kiss Romos a$$ like all your buddies he wins one playoff game and you guys have him in the HOF.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Interesting on the Bobby Turner thing. Wonder what kind of deal is in the works there. Will we be taking Brandon off of their hands with the coach for a bunch of picks and players? Only time will tell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 5:48 PM

Maybe McDaniels realized he'd rather have one of "his" guys than keep Turner. Knowshon Moreno certainly didn't produce like you'd expect the 12th pick (first RB) to.

Posted by: skinswest | January 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Scamp I doubt it, maybe JM realizes that when he is trying to hire coaches in the future, that being a d_ck and not letting coaches interview if they want to could come back to bite him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Not too mention what's the result of denying a request? You keep a disgruntled coach who missed out on an opportunity to make more money and go to an opportunity they wanted. That makes for a great working environment.

And to the guy who made the comment about Shanahan not being qualified to rebuild our franchise....who exactly do you think would have been a better option than Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

And yes, Reid is CLEARLY a Portis -hater. The Post needs to tell him to keep it objective.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

We already know that Stump. Maybe CP didnt want to play 4 u and Zorn head. All this talk bout CP when truth be told we need the guy. Ok, practice habits needs to change, but you can't blame the guy 4 acting the way he is acting.. he's been playing 4 a lame duck coaching staff for 2yrs now...

CP will be on this team nxt yr folks..WATCH!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | January 11, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The Turner story was just on PFT so JR will copy and paste it here next stay tuned to be beeped.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

wewbank1, remember all those times this season Reid made it look like Portis hit the hole incredibly slow?

Posted by: mack1 | January 11, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Asked for his initial impressions of Campbell, Shanahan replied: “Well, I am looking forward to working with him. I just love the way Jason handles himself. I'm looking forward to sitting down and talking to him, watching film and going through every play that he has had throughout his career.

“Hopefully the best years are ahead. That is a process that will take some time.”

Shanahan even suggested that he could tailor his offense toward Campbell’s skills.

“That’s part of coaching,” he said.

Point made. Any further arguments?

Posted by: abxinc | January 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey League Sourse. You knoa how I know those weren't really Portis's words? They're still too comprehensible. If it was him you wouldn't be able to tell what the heck he was trying to say at all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

- Dude its Source and Comprehendable. Portis is smarter than you.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

all of this talk about Campbell's accuracy has no real evidence to back it up!

he was 10th in comp% AND under tremendous pressure with NO rushing threat.

he hasn't been able to settle into a system OR get comfortable in a system OR in a pocket.

So, the logic is that the 10th most accurate QB is inaccurate???

please explain

if our line and RB's were good and we were getting turnovers from the D and we were still 4-12 then OK it's on Campbell

but that was not the case

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

biggest problem = O line
2nd = FS
3rd = back up RB
4th = KR/PR
5th = back-up QB

IMO - anyone who is serviceable should be retained. because all of the unserviceable players

Posted by: pabrian2003
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I'll buy OL is in most need of help.. but you think who the FS or KR/PR is a bigger problem than who the QB is?? QB is the most important player on the team.. he is the one guy we HAVE to upgrade if possible.. Look at the playoff teams.. except of Sanchez everyteam has a proven successful QB leading them.. That's the difference from being a consistant playoff team and a team that usally misses the playoffs. And if you want to bring up the handful of mediore QB's who have won a Super Bowl go ahead.. but they are few and far between. Campbell is not good enough period!!! Skins need to make a change at QB or they will never be successful...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The Turner story was just on PFT so JR will copy and paste it here next stay tuned to be beeped.

Posted by: Flounder21

Danny offered a 5th round pick for the right to interview the guy

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

- Dude its Source and Comprehendable. Portis is smarter than you.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:04 PM |

We have a new spell checker folks. Let's give him a hand, he just proved his superior intellect to all. What a doosh.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

So, the logic is that the 10th most accurate QB is inaccurate???
please explain


Posted by: pabrian2003
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He was accurate because he threw 80% of his passes 10 yards or less. No other QB threw that percentage of short passes. Therefore his accuracy is decieving.. Heck any OB accuracy would look great if they mostly threw those type passes...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Yea um his stats wherent built on garbage time and you cant look at Campbell win/loss record because he didnt have team around him no run game oline or big playmakers. Posted by: cjdwolfpack | January 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, umm, did you watch the games? JC's stats got significantly better when the game was out of hand and the prevent D was in. In atleast half the games, he ended up throwing a TD late in the 4th when the game was all but over, but earlier in the same games, couldn't do a thing.

Dude its Source and Comprehendable. Portis is smarter than you.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Arriving when the parties over huh? He was joking, dude.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Danny offered a 5th round pick for the right to interview the guy

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 6:09 PM

Luckily he offered it to Shanahan out of habit.

Posted by: skinswest | January 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

And yes, Reid is CLEARLY a Portis -hater. The Post needs to tell him to keep it objective.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 5:55 PM

Hey d-bag, in case you didn't notice, this is a blog. He can say whatever the he77 he wants, so why don't go back to porkin' your little sisters boyfriend while chocking yourself with your mothers discarded makeup sponges. (plagarism I know). Spell check that phukball.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

*choking*
spell checked it myself. Wouldn't want our resident grammar teacher to get his panties knotted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

So, the logic is that the 10th most accurate QB is inaccurate???
please explain


Posted by: pabrian2003
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He was accurate because he threw 80% of his passes 10 yards or less. No other QB threw that percentage of short passes. Therefore his accuracy is decieving.. Heck any OB accuracy would look great if they mostly threw those type passes...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad I didn't have to say, just ask Santanna if he thinks JC is accurate......

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

people are so good at criticizing players, but noone really has the answer of how you get better.

let's say Campbell, Portis, Rogers aren't part of the solution - hypothetically

who is - collins, too old, Brennan, 2 hip surgeries already, Ganther, Mason, Barnes, Tryon - c'mon man x 4

we all know we need a LT and RG and we have 5 picks or 6?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad I didn't have to say, just ask Santanna if he thinks JC is accurate......

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 6:17 PM |

You mean when he is making him jump out of his shoes to catch a pass, and hanging him out to get killed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad I didn't have to say, just ask Santanna if he thinks JC is accurate......

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 6:17 PM |

You mean when he is making him jump out of his shoes to catch a pass, and hanging him out to get killed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:19 PM |

Maybe Santana should invest in some lifts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

scampbell, hide behind your spellcheck and stay classy.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Lots of tweets on Romeo Crennel to Chiefs -- not done yet, but will be. Crennel will wind up on Kansas City's defensive staff in 2010.
36 minutes ago from web

From Schefter KC is building a very good staff, Pioli knows what he is doing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

ANY OF U GUYS OR GALS PLAY NBA 2K10

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

scampbell, hide behind your spellcheck and stay classy.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:21 PM

Last I checked no one asked for an English teacher so check out a$$hat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

scampbell, are you still "joking"? Noone else can tell.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

How about this an an option:
Let the Shanahan's bring in a vet that they've worked with who already knows their
offense and use him as a place-warmer for a year or 2 while the rest of the team and a young QB develops.This will save the Shanahan's the headache of having to teach our mediocre QB a brand new offense from scratch only to replace him a year later.
Posted by: p1funk
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Works for me. Get rid of Campbell there's no way he'll want to stay around for just one more year anyway... Give Colt a shot at starting but if not Collins bring in Pat Ramsey as backup.. he played 2 years under Shanahan so knows his system. Then draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th rounds to compete with Colt in future just in case...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if this was posted yet...


@Adam_Schefter After declining Redskins request last week, Denver granted Washington permission on Monday to interview Broncos RB coach Bobby Turner. about an hour

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Lots of tweets on Romeo Crennel to Chiefs -- not done yet, but will be. Crennel will wind up on Kansas City's defensive staff in 2010.
36 minutes ago from web

From Schefter KC is building a very good staff, Pioli knows what he is doing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:22 PM |

Yea he's hiring all the staff from that 1 Patriots Super Bowl win. Pioli, Weis, Crennel...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

@Adam_Schefter After declining Redskins request last week, Denver granted Washington permission on Monday to interview Broncos RB coach Bobby Turner. about an hour

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 6:25 PM |

Yes we put it up so expect a post from JR on it tomorrow.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Just heard on NFL network that Zimmer's contract with the Bengals isn't up until 6 days from now, so we probably won't hear anything about him until he's free to wander next week...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

By JEFF DICKERSON


CHICAGO -- Although University of Minnesota offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Jedd Fisch has been mentioned as a candidate to replace Ron Turner, ESPN.com NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert
“>suggested over the weekend that Fisch may ultimately end up in Washington with Mike Shanahan.


At only 33, Fisch certainly seems to have a very bright future in the NFL, but is he ready to be an offensive coordinator at this level in 2010? A better bet might be for Fisch to coach quarterbacks this year, and while his relationship with Jay Cutler would certainly make Chicago an appealing place, we're again faced with two major negatives surrounding any job with the Bears: security and money.


In Washington, or even Seattle for that matter, a newly hired assistant coach knows (1) his boss -- Shanahan, Pete Carroll -- will be around for the foreseeable future, and (2) those places pay more because of owners like Dan Synder and Paul Allen.


A prospective hire could probably look past those two roadblocks if it meant receiving a huge promotion such as offensive coordinator, but given what's at stake for Smith, would he hire somebody without previous NFL play calling experience? Every previous hire and decision by this head coach in the post-Super Bowl era would lead us to think 'no.’ So, if it comes down to being QB coach of the Bears or Redskins, what else do the Bears have to offer besides Cutler?

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Works for me. Get rid of Campbell there's no way he'll want to stay around for just one more year anyway... Give Colt a shot at starting but if not Collins bring in Pat Ramsey as backup.. he played 2 years under Shanahan so knows his system. Then draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th rounds to compete with Colt in future just in case...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse
_________

*** Sigh *** We've been over this Colt thing many times. He's not and probably won't ever be a quality starting NFL QB.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 11, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Just heard on NFL network that Zimmer's contract with the Bengals isn't up until 6 days from now, so we probably won't hear anything about him until he's free to wander next week...

Posted by: rot8tor_man

Was interested in the wild card game vs the NY Jets to see how Zimmer's defense would handle an NFC East style offense.

Bad news ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought the DC job here was promised to a certain charade player.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Basically, anyone that didnt see that Portis was a punk ON the field the last 3 years is a clown that needs to put some panties on and stop frontin like they know football.

Stump=Captain Obvious

Posted by: kreator6996 | January 11, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Just heard on NFL network that Zimmer's contract with the Bengals isn't up until 6 days from now, so we probably won't hear anything about him until he's free to wander next week...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Sure. They want him to do player reviews, just like our coaching staff did. Probably later in the week we will hear something.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

New poll. Who's better at "taking it there" - RedDMV or SCampell1975?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

*** Sigh *** We've been over this Colt thing many times. He's not and probably won't ever be a quality starting NFL QB.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 11, 2010 6:31 PM |

Either is JC and I doubt he will be.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I thought the DC job here was promised to a certain charade player.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 6:33 PM |

Don't believe all the crap you read, Danny would never make that promise there are plenty of guys he could have interviewed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

New poll. Who's better at "taking it there" - RedDMV or SCampell1975?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 6:35 PM |

We work on different levels and have unique styles. Red is more "street smart" while I'm just classless and dirty.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"I give 100%" on game day blah blah blah what does it matter if you have little to give on game day because you are partying and not practicing

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 11, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

He was accurate because he threw 80% of his passes 10 yards or less. No other QB threw that percentage of short passes. Therefore his accuracy is decieving.. Heck any OB accuracy would look great if they mostly threw those type passes...


Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 6:15 PM

27% of JC's completions are behind the line of scrimmage. Courtesy of the Fox broadcast.

He's mediocre at best and drafting a QB with the 4th overall pick would be foolish.

The skins aren't competitive in their division (0-6) because they have an OL comprised of guys that couldn't start for the Iowa Hawkeyes. This won't change unless they make a full commitment to address the OL via the draft rather 29+ yr unrestricted FAs or undrafted FAs.

1. OT Okung / OT Davis
2. OT Baluga / OT Black / OG Iupati

JC is not a top 15 QB in this league. However, wasting an early pick on his replacement would only assure that we will remain uncompetitive. In our division unless you can win in the trenches OL/DL then you have no chance and the skins are a distant 4th based on personnel.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

- Dude its Source and Comprehendable. Portis is smarter than you.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 6:04 PM |

We have a new spell checker folks. Let's give him a hand, he just proved his superior intellect to all. What a doosh.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 6:13 PM

scamp--I think this word "doosh" is also spelled wrong. You're having a bad day, aren't you? Of course, wewbank1 seems to have a bad day every day he posts here.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Why are they "Campbell-haters?" Because they disagree with you?

You confuse the issue. With Jason Campbell, it isn't about hating him, there is NOTHING to like.

He's garbage, period.

And I don't care if he's a fine humanitarian, an animal-lover, and helps old ladies cross the street.

As a QB, there is nothing THERE. He's a void. He's so frigging dumb his nickname should be "Moose."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse
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I don't love him, I think he's average...but the point made orginally remains. Using a #4 pick this year on a QB is a bad idea, and there isn't anyone in the bullpen that is any better, or has a long term future. So, hate him one more year, because we need to build a line so that the QB we should be drafting NEXT year can go out there without getting killed.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | January 11, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

One thing that'll be interesting to figure out about Shanahan is how he deals with attitude vs talent.

Most coaches make some accommodation for talent. Gibbs didn't care much for Gary Clark's act, but he loved Clark's talent -- and Clark had a brilliant career (as good as michael irvin).

Shanny will have to make decisions on attitude vs talent before some of these players play a down for him. Campbell is a perfect example. Gotta love his attitude, but will Shanahan see a guy who just doesn't have what he needs?

I'm guessing Shanahan thinks he can coach most guys up, so I'm guessing attitude matters more, especially in year 1 when he is trying to reset everything.

If its attitude first, Rogers and Portis will likely be gone, Campbell stays. Expect changes in how Albert and Hall go about their business. See if LaRon gets shopped.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

scamp--I think this word "doosh" is also spelled wrong. You're having a bad day, aren't you? Of course, wewbank1 seems to have a bad day every day he posts here.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 6:54 PM |

Ha, I wish they'd let you spell it right. Actually, I'm having a great day. I decided long ago not to work on Mondays and since I run my own business, I make it a rule. I just get tired of self important a holes with nothing of any substance to add coming up here and correcting peoples grammar and typing so they can feel smart. They don't get the fact that this is a blog and we type for speed and substance and accuracy (as far as typos and grammar are concerned) be d@mned.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

What makes you think JC is dumb? Furthermore who should be the qb next year if he is not.Since you seem to have all the answers im curious to hear who our new qb is going to be.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | January 11, 2010 5:43 PM |
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It doesn't matter who they replace him with, because he sucks (at QB); he fell out of the Stupid Tree and he hit every branch on the way down. He shtis the bed week in and week out over 50 starts.

If you have an unproductive employee, you don't sit on your azz wondering who you are going to replace him with, or fret about whether the replacement can do the job, because what does that matter? You already KNOW the guy you have now CAN'T do the job.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad that Stump said what everybody knows! Portis does not practice and then thinks that he should start! I say get rid of this cancer before he infects anymore players on this team! Get rid of him and that back stabber Jerry Gray who cannot teach his position players how to tackle! Time for change is NOW!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 11, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"He's mediocre at best and drafting a QB with the 4th overall pick would be foolish."

Agreed.

That's why it would not surprise me to see the Skins TRADE DOWN and get an extra pick or two.

The draft is top heavy with QB's and OL's. They seriously have to look at this. To be able to trade down a couple spots, get a 2nd round pick, and get a couple OL's in the draft would be nice.

Then you bring JC back for a year if you can get him and groom your line. Personally speaking I don't like any of the QB's in this years draft.

Last year you knew Sanchez was good and that's why the Skins tried to get him so bad.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 11, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The whole "bring back JC for a year" is a barely concealed plea by people who love the guy to death. I get it.

Bring him back for what? Name a QB on the current roster or in FA that is going to do worse than 4-12 next year.

They need to clean house, and they made a great start by dumping Vinny, and goofball Zorn. Next, get rid of the stench of losers like Campbell, Clinton Portis, Carlos Rogers.

The only way a culture change is going to take effect is to purge the whiny, self-absorbed, excuse-for-every-day-of-the-week players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The whole "bring back JC for a year" is a barely concealed plea by people who love the guy to death. I get it.

Bring him back for what? Name a QB on the current roster or in FA that is going to do worse than 4-12 next year.

They need to clean house, and they made a great start by dumping Vinny, and goofball Zorn. Next, get rid of the stench of losers like Campbell, Clinton Portis, Carlos Rogers.

The only way a culture change is going to take effect is to purge the whiny, self-absorbed, excuse-for-every-day-of-the-week players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 7:12 PM |

While I don't think that JC is whiny or self absorbed I don't believe he is the ling term answer for this team. We still need O line first though. It's the one thing I've been right on for 3 years now.

Also, could you add that waste Laron Landry to your list?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

If the QB has to be outside the lines or throwing towards a wr to avoid intentional grounding, then why is the common practice of spiking not intentional grounding?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

If the QB has to be outside the lines or throwing towards a wr to avoid intentional grounding, then why is the common practice of spiking not intentional grounding?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 7:22 PM |

1965,

I hope you are kidding or you must not watch much football.

Here is the official word on this from the rule book.

According to the NFL Digest of Rules, “Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.” Basically, the player knows no one is going to catch the ball when he throws it.

As for the spike, you will see the quarterback immediately throw the ball to the ground as soon as the play begins. He will do this to stop the game clock during the last two minutes of the game or the half. Once the game clock is stopped, he can then regroup with his team and hopefully be more prepared for the next play. In this situation, he is not spiking because of pressure from the defense or to prevent a loss of yardage.

If, however, he attempts to throw a forward pass or looks like he is trying to trick the defense, the officials will call intentional grounding. The quarterback must spike the ball immediately after the snap to avoid this call.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The coaches have been saying it - the main question is, Will Portis get it? If he does, and if he does start practicing, the Redskins should keep him because he is a top flight talent & he's one of the best blocking RBs in Football.

Its also deeply revealing that Mitchell pointed out that Danny Snyder has to understand that Portis has to work harder. He's clearly saying that Dan Snyder must stop getting between the coaches and the players. He's got to stop making certain players feel 'entitled' and 'privileged'.

Otherwise, all of the coaches Snyder hires will ultimately be undermined dooming the Skins to .500 or worse seasons.

Posted by: agupta1 | January 11, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Ha, I wish they'd let you spell it right. Actually, I'm having a great day. I decided long ago not to work on Mondays and since I run my own business, I make it a rule. I just get tired of self important a holes with nothing of any substance to add coming up here and correcting peoples grammar and typing so they can feel smart. They don't get the fact that this is a blog and we type for speed and substance and accuracy (as far as typos and grammar are concerned) be d@mned.

Posted by: scampbell1975

A little angry in 2010 huh? I also subscribe to work free (OK half day) Mondays.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of "if's" her but...

If we can trade back in the first and also pick-up a 2nd or 3rd rounder, I say do it.

If we can get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for JC-17, I say do it. When he was shopped last year, most teams had already made their plans, so it was difficult to get anything, perhaps this year will be different...

This draft seems to have A LOT of good tackles on the board. Trading back AND getting a 2nd or 3rd for Soup would give us a 1st, 2 - 2nds and a 3rd OR 3 - 2nd rounders.

With that, we can draft a top QB, RB and two tackles, and we haven't gotten to the 4th round yet.

Why do people think a new QB would "get killed" with that? Gotta be worth a try...

Posted by: edvar | January 11, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Stumpy, that is why you are going to some loser HBC school, and Clinton will be winning super bowls in DC next year.

Posted by: cr10 | January 11, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The only way a culture change is going to take effect is to purge the whiny, self-absorbed, excuse-for-every-day-of-the-week players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

Carlos and Portis fit that description. Campbell doesn't.

I do think Shanahan is going to change the culture in a very big way and very quickly. Might even be his biggest priority

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Last year you knew Sanchez was good and that's why the Skins tried to get him so bad.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

I think Sanchez will be an average QB in this league. The key to his success? Most of his OL are either 1st or 2nd round picks. That's the difference!

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse


Joe Gibbs won three super bowls with three different quarterbacks.All this success was while maintaining one of the best offensive lines in the league.
Although J.C. has never stood out as a great quarterback,I do wonder if better protection would have helped?
BTW,at 4 and 12,everybody's job will be on the line!

Posted by: sdavis4 | January 11, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for addresing the O-line first, through the draft and FA. They can still pick-up a QB and a RB in the later rounds too.

Start Colt or Collins or a FA next year, and depending on how that goes, draft a QB in the 1st round in 2011 (which is a year most people seem to think is better for QBs anyway).

But get the #17 car out of here. I've been watching it do laps for three years and I'm sick of looking at it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

A little angry in 2010 huh? I also subscribe to work free (OK half day) Mondays.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 7:33 PM

It's a great gig if you can swing it. I sometimes take Fridays off too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Soup as QB in 2010 - Looing dumbfounded, lets see, Moss is doubled, what next, oh yea theres the TE, oh no, hes got a LB and SS watching him, lets see, uh, uh, oh yea theres the RB, whats his name now, uh, uh, Clinton, oh, yea and throws it to CP a little high and wham there is a LB layed him out hitting him in the ribs. Back at huddle, CP to Soup - Dont throw to me anymore today. Soup to CP - hey dude i need the stats, so when i leave at the end of the season, someone, anyone please give me a try.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Last year you knew Sanchez was good and that's why the Skins tried to get him so bad.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

I think Sanchez will be an average QB in this league. The key to his success? Most of his OL are either 1st or 2nd round picks. That's the difference!

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

But we have to remember also, nobody was really talking about Sanchez at this time last yr. His stock really started heating up in late March/early April. Same thing could be said for some of these QB's coming out this year.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Stumpy, that is why you are going to some loser HBC school, and Clinton will be winning super bowls in DC next year.

Posted by: cr10 | January 11, 2010 7:34 PM |

I drink the koolaid man but you've done lost your mind.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Please, Please Shanny find an accurate, smart, able to walk and chew gum at the same time, QB and lets start 2010 as a growing season and then start working our way back to the top of the NFC EAST.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

But we have to remember also, nobody was really talking about Sanchez at this time last yr. His stock really started heating up in late March/early April. Same thing could be said for some of these QB's coming out this year.

Posted by: ga8085

Sanchez also had very good work outs at the combine.

Again, he played like garbage this year until 3 weeks ago when the Jets changed their offense a little. Big time O-line and a Top ranked defense will help even the most average of QBs.

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

My guess, and its only a guess, is that in year 1, Shanahan will reward effort over talent. Among other things, that means Campbell will get a shot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcwun | January 11, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm saying. Some of these QB's coming out this yr might look average, but by the time the combine finishes, they might be heralded as the next great thing. It's really too early to tell who might be what. But saying that, I'd still pass on Bradford, lol.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Since this turned from a CP discussion to a JC discussion, my 2 cents. I was at the SD game and saw JC with all the time in the world throw a hail mary out of bounds. Who does that? Nuf said. How many times have you seen him rushed (no o-line duh)but had the easy slant and even miss that. He had his chance. Period. If you ain't got time to throw you best have fast feet, which he doesn't. We'd be better off with Colt for God's sake and mark my words; Shanny will give Colt every chance in the world to win the job. Shanny's running game and two killer tight ends...I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | January 11, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Shanny will give Colt every chance in the world to win the job. Shanny's running game and two killer tight ends...I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | January 11, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse
I've been saying this all day and people seem to think I'm stupid. Colt for QB 2010, I'm with you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

"I was at the SD game..." - SoCalSkinsFan


Was that the same game a backup QB led his team from behind to a 4Qtr victory?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Just say "no" to quarterbacks in the first two rounds.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 11, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Alright.

If I tell ya beep beep

Will ya lemme be LAST?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

IMO Clausen, Pike, and Bradford are upgrades over Campbell with Bradford being a legit injury risk and not worth the #4 overall pick.

To satisfy PA's need to submit opinions that really don't matter until we see what Shanny thinks of JC and what he decides to do here would be my plan:

Sign:

1 FS
2 Corners (let stonehands move on)
2 LBs
1 Tackle
1 Guard
1 Sage Rosenfels
1 RB (fast willie, chester taylor, lendale white)

Cut or do not resign:
Campbell (IMO its just time, he doesn't really want to be here and he's just not that good but if Shanny thinks different so be it)
CR22
Portis
Betts
Rock
ARE
Smoot
Collins

re-sign:
Heyer
Levi
Rocky
Gholston
Monte
LoAlex
Mason
Ganther

Draft:
#1 Okung
#2 Pike, McCoy, Tebow
#4 RB
#5 Guard
#7 WR

With the new LBs transition to a 3-4. Okung at LT, Dock, Rabach, signed vet, Levi or signed vet. Let the signed RB compete for the starting job with Alridge (already been signed to a "futures contract" meaning he'll be in camp), Mason, Ganther, and the drafted RB. Let Rosenfels, Colt, and the drafted QB battle for the starting job.

As Allen and Shanny have stated, having true competition at every position is the key to success, and IMO CP and JC promote controversy not competition. And while JC was a 1st rounder and it sucks to let him go for nothing but at the same time he's proven he is average, we can get the same production without the controversy of having JC around, IMO its clean break time. But as I've stated many times, I trust Shanny and Allen and I'm happy with whatever they decide and will wait at least 3 years before I complain about anything. Their resumes and experience IMO have earned that for them.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

you forgot to say

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Have you all been over to PFT to see LT's new video. It's so embarassing it's funny:

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Have you all been over to PFT to see LT's new video. It's so embarassing it's funny:

Posted by: scampbell1975


`

Can you provide a link to your LAST post please?

Did you say PFT. Oh nevermind. You can't win this one scamp. I don't sleep.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

SoCalSkinsFan
I'll see you that Hail Mary out of bounds in the last game and raise you an overthrown Screen Pass to a wide open back that landed on the fly in the 5th row at FedEX in the Giants game... The Refs had to reverse an intentional grounding call after conferring and realizing Jason is just a really bad QB and the throw into the stands was not intentional.

Its mystifying these Jason lovers that accept 51 career starts with only 4 divisional wins, and no come from behind rallies, EVER.

Gibbs had Jason for 2 years and retired.. Do you think Gibbs would of left a playoff team if Jason really was the star Gibbs thought he was after convincing Dan to trade away the 2005 draft for his rights? Jason was drowning in a 0-5 losing streak before Collins bailed him out. Gibbs left 2 months later.. Legacy intact.
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SoCalSkinsFan wrote:
Since this turned from a CP discussion to a JC discussion, my 2 cents. I was at the SD game and saw JC with all the time in the world throw a hail mary out of bounds. Who does that? Nuf said. How many times have you seen him rushed (no o-line duh)but had the easy slant and even miss that. He had his chance. Period. If you ain't got time to throw you best have fast feet, which he doesn't. We'd be better off with Colt for God's sake and mark my words; Shanny will give Colt every chance in the world to win the job. Shanny's running game and two killer tight ends...I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | January 11, 2010 8:02 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Look left

Look right

Looks clear

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Shannahan needs to cut him because he is tight with the owner

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | January 11, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

LAST.

Do you hamsters see what I gotta put up with?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The whole "bring back JC for a year" is a barely concealed plea by people who love the guy to death. I get it.

Bring him back for what? Name a QB on the current roster or in FA that is going to do worse than 4-12 next year.

They need to clean house, and they made a great start by dumping Vinny, and goofball Zorn. Next, get rid of the stench of losers like Campbell, Clinton Portis, Carlos Rogers.

The only way a culture change is going to take effect is to purge the whiny, self-absorbed, excuse-for-every-day-of-the-week players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 7:12 PM |

While I don't think that JC is whiny or self absorbed I don't believe he is the ling term answer for this team. We still need O line first though. It's the one thing I've been right on for 3 years now.

Also, could you add that waste Laron Landry to your list?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I get it, but I don't get it. Let's see, you're going to cut CR22, LL, CP, JC, and you are going to play whom?

For CR22, you will play Tryon or KBarnes? For LL, you will play RDoughty, CHorton or KMoore. For CP, you play recovering LBetts, QGanther or MMason. For JC, you start TCollins or Colt.

I know you have 5 draft picks, but after #4 and #37, you are talking about someone who might add depth, but not be a starter. Get real. I know we can sign UFA's, and you might get a starter there. But you don't get rid of your best athletes, just because they lost this year. Put them in better schemes, coach them to tackle better. But don't release them, just because you were disappointed in their play this past year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

How many lurkers are there?

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Campbell does have poor mechanics,overthrows the ball and makes questionable reads. But if your O-line was made of swiss cheese and you did not have an opportunity to set your feet and survey the field because of constant pressure...you wouldn't have any Payton Manning like performances either. Look, Joe Gibbs drafted Campbell because he was a souped-up Mark Rypien. Rypien had success because he had talent around him and stability. Jason Campbell has neither. Give the guy the tools needed for success and then judge him...there's not a better option out there for next season.

Posted by: rob626lx | January 11, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Man December 17th was a great day.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | January 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Hanging Around,

They just keep

Hanging Around,

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

will stop throwing out stats, when people stop blaming Campbell for playing on a crappy team with a crappy system under crappy mgmt, with no Oline and no RB's

I don't think Campbell is a superstar but we have WAY BIGGER issues

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 11, 2010 3:09 PM

Amen Brother!
First all, Campbell doesnt make excuses, he makes ONE comment about getting being concerned about getting the hell beat out of him, and all of the sudden he's a whiner. You want a whiner? Bring in Cutler. Now there is a whiner. Campbell has handled himself with nothing but CLASS!!! Maybe you JC haters think you know better than the players, but even those who have concerns about some aspects of JC's play ALL (with the exception of CP) say that he is a good leader, tough as nails, works his butt off, and puts the team first. He has had four seasons, counting this one; he didn't play his first season. EVERY year, he has improved in EVERY measure of production,with the exception of interceptions, which increased this year. He increased his TDs, completion %, yards per pass, and overall QB rating. All of Cutlers stats went south this year, wonder why? All you need to know to understand the complete dysfunction JC has had to work with is to look at the Cardinals starting LT, doing a decent to good job of protecting one of the most imobile QB's in the league on one of the most prolific scoring teams in the league. Guess what? The geniuses running the Skins CUT him at the start of the year! You can point to many examples of JC showing his weaknesses, missing reads, over throwing open receivers. With the exception of the elites like Brees, Rivers, Manning, Brady, etc...you can do that with all of the winning QBs in the league. If JC was really doing that bad, I'm sorry, his stats would not be improving so much. When a coach actually has to completely eliminate any plays requiring deep drops by the QB because of a lack of O line protection, expecting the QB to win many games is like my son expecting my beagle to not grab his pizza when he leaves it on th edge of the coffee table. Did you notice what happened to Mr. Perfect, Tom Brady, when Welker was taken away and someone planted kryptonite under Moss's pillow and the other team actually put pressure on him? Jeeze, he made alot of bad plays and failed to hit alot of long TD passes. Go figure.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 11, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Your LAST post was terrific kenboy1.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't even bother whoever you are..

I'm committed

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

First is first. No doubt about it. Last is a journey, not a destination. What time you going to bed, Vicc?

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

After you sir...

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Amateurs.
You wanna earn last, you have to break out some haiku.
And have about seven months to spend.

Posted by: daggar | January 11, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

What up Vicc.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

What up Vicc.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Last post haiku game
Daggar's seven months start now
Victory assured

Posted by: 4-12 | January 11, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Wait

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Any1 else b4 I drop the sonic-boom?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Vic with extra "c"
Welcome to blog haiku war
Marathon, not sprint

Posted by: 4-12 | January 11, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I'll run this b1tch in flip flops

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Wait, for is it Worth your While.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

My analysis of the last 7 minutes of every blog thread in 2009 proves that 60% of the time Vicc wins the "LAST" game every time.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Does a 15 minute break solve the WaPo's 'comment submission error' ?

`

Shall i call upon my namesake 'vic1' ?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

vicc, a worthless last
you may have time and again
my haiku makes pure

Posted by: daggar | January 11, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

~~~Thinking~~~

You's guys and dolls are really serious about that haiku stuff--I think, cuz i dunno what one is--but all's i want is LAST.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

tango whiskey india tango sierra

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 11, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

AMEN Mitchell. Nothing more to say about Portis. Will he put in the work?

Posted by: PinotNoir | January 11, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

haiku is sublime
there is this thing called google
to help understand

Posted by: daggar | January 11, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

oh, i am sorry

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

i can't recognize patterns

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

nor do i want to.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

doh!

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

@pfunk

How about this an an option:

Let the Shanahan's bring in a vet that they've worked with who already knows their
offense and use him as a place-warmer for a year or 2 while the rest of the team and a young QB develops.

This will save the Shanahan's the headache of having to teach our mediocre QB a brand new offense from scratch only to replace him a year later.
==================================
Uh...pfunk....you do know who Shanahan's backup QB was his last two years in Denver? Patrick Frickin' Ramsey. In fact, the only three active NFL QB's who have played for Shanny are Ramsey, Gus Frerotte and Brian Griese. Maybe a 35-y.o. Griese is the answer. Now, which sure-fire star QB do you want us to take with our #4 pick, Claussen, Bradford?

I don't like your idea at all....

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 12, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

I meant, that they are the only three other than Cutler, obviously. God help us if coach tries to bring Cutler here.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 12, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, when you watch football do you even watch what the other players on the offense are doing? i find it almost comical how you comment about what campbell didn't do to win the game but anytime the coaching staff has to eliminate 7 step drops which are needed for down the field throw you know there's a problem with protection. campbell makes mistakes but considering he's gotta worry about who's gonna whoop his a-s-s next definitely crosses his mind. even when tom brady played his first few games this season he looked terrible because he was concerned about someone hitting his legs again and putting him out for another season. the difference between you and campbell is this: he can take a hit and still get back up. from your armchair sofa, if your remote falls and hits your pinky toe, i'm sure you'd call the paramedics quick. you probably never played a down of football in your life save madden. noone says you have to like any one particular player on a team but based on your various posts, you don't know shyt about the basics of football otherwise you'd know that the game is won by offense, defense and special teams. we didn't have much of an offense and that was partially campbell's fault, he could've tucked the ball and run on instinct, he could've read the defenses better, yes...but it was also the 5 guys in front of him not protecting him or opening holes for the running backs, it was portis not practicing w/ the o line to establish cohesion, it was the receivers not coming back on plays to catch the ball, it was the corners for not being able to make the game changing turnovers, it was landry for not wrapping tackles and playing SMART football, it was the corners not jamming the receivers to force the qb to hold the ball longer, it was the corners who gave more cushion than a fuqqin furniture store, it was randle else not being able to catch the ball w/ confidence and getting his a-s-s up the field and NOT running laterally, it was suisham not making chip shot fg's that would've won those close games for us. you can't name one game this season where campbell completely lost it for us without considering how other aspects of the offense, defense and special teams could've also stepped up to contribute. and you can't name one winning qb in the league that's lacking in one phase of the game. remember, the skins were dead last in the league in rushing 1st downs. also, there's no such thing as "garbage/crunch" time as you said. in the saints game, we were ahead so there's no reason for the saints d to play prevent on us. in fact, i can't think of any one game where a team played prevent on us. when campbell gets in a rhythm, he's show that he can play w/ the best of them. as an armchair qb, you're too dumb to observe even the obvious.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | January 12, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse

LAST!!!

Posted by: melovejen | January 12, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Nice Try Folks

Please Play Again

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 12, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

marathons take time
when will cindy shut this down?
perhaps in august

Posted by: daggar | January 12, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

To say that Jason Campbell is making excuses for his play by blaming the offensive line, injured running backs, wacky coaching changes, and forced play in systems that don't match his skill suggests none of those issues matter.

And they do.

I'd like for someone to pull up some examples of quarterbacks who recovered from being in bad situations early in there career.

I bet there aren't many.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Yeah, I'm a little late... but two obvious QB's come to mind immediately:

Doug Williams and Steve Young... both nothing to shout at in Tampa behind horrid OL's... don't give me the crap about Doug leading them to the NFC Championship game, that was the D, not the O!!!

Posted by: bschaef12 | January 12, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Man, why do you think the O line blocked better for the other backs than Portis? Why do you think Portis complained to Zorn about Seller's blocking (he knew Sellers was sending him a message - "you are not bigger than the team... you think you are? Bust through the defence on your own then....)? Why do you think JC blasted Portis? And whyy do you think Portis was not elected captain? BECAUSE he did not work as hard as the rest of the team and the team resented him. BECAUSE Snyder favoured him. I'm glad it finally came out publicly (although we all knew). Portis needs to man-up or get out. I doubt he can produce the way he did. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. As long as Snyder learns a lesson from this, it's all good. Time for a new start.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | January 12, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Lima
Alfa
Sierra
Tango

Foxtrot
Oscar
Romeo

November
Oscar
Whiskey

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

military code
does not make professional
haiku; try harder

Posted by: daggar | January 12, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

You're gonna get left behind. You are missing out on this fools gold:

"So NOT HAPPY about this. I've never been impressed with Haslett. And not impressed with our all white coaching staff."

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 12, 2010 9:54 PM


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Unfortunately, this is prolly a result of her upbringing--so damage is unrepairable!

I dunno what's more sad? That Fact^ or that she'll prolly raise her children the same way :(

And the vicious cycle continues...

LAST

Posted by: Vicc | January 12, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

back to work today
Guts out blogging to commence
six months 'til summer

Posted by: 4-12 | January 13, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

persistence is key
albatross around my neck
triumph - Vicc's torment

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

***I am we Todd did
I'm L to the ast.

***Your sofa king we Todd did
You do not have the skillz to

***Haiku;? we Todd did
be L to the ast.

Posted by: Vicc | January 16, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

to report abuse?
is incoherence a crime?
roll on, haiku wins

Posted by: daggar | January 16, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

vic with extra "c"
like daggar without his cload;
four and twelve, prescient

Posted by: 4-12 | January 16, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

prescience is good, but
predicting skins too easy
Zornification!

Posted by: daggar | January 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Zornification!?
intergooglewebnet says:
medium won't LAST

Posted by: 4-12 | January 18, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

zorn as a model
citizen of the zen world;
now, gone baby gone

Posted by: daggar | January 18, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

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