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Mounting injuries are taking a toll

After listening to Coach Jim Zorn discuss the team's numerous injuries during his news conference Monday at Redskins Park, I'm beginning to wonder whether the Redskins will be able to practice properly if they lose anyone else. Zorn said the Redskins plan to sign a running back and possibly add another safety (likely a core special-teams player) because top back Clinton Portis (concussion) could be sidelined indefinitely and strong safety Chris Horton (toe) might go on the season-ending injured-reserve list.

But signing guys off the street or from another team's practice squad in Week 10 is not the same thing as having the people who have gone through your offseason program, training camp and preseason. And the thing is, if free agents still are available at this point of the season, they're still available for a reason.

Just in case fans wonder whether the Redskins are truly upset about their injury problems and being 2-6 with a four-game losing streak, they are, players said.

"Losing can be contagious. You can see it," rookie defensive end/strong-side linebacker Brian Orakpo said. "We've been losing week after week after week. It's not good. We've got to find a way to turn it around.

"It's not a mindset because throughout the week we're very optimistic about our gameplan. Everybody's upbeat regardless of what happened the week prior. But then when we come out Sundays, it seems like we just can't get it going. We can't get it going on all cylinders."

With all the injuries, poor depth and overall lack of talent, I think it's entirely possible that the Redskins go winless in their final eight games and I've said that for some time now during television and radio appearances. But that doesn't mean the players are giving up.

"It's your job," defensive lineman Phillip Daniels said. "If you're a Redskin and you love your job, you love playing football, you have no problem pushing through to the end. We have a second half to the season here. If we've got to put eight [victories] together here, or whatever we need to do, we gotta do that. That's what we gotta do. It'll take everybody."

By Jason Reid and Rick Maese  |  November 10, 2009; 10:30 AM ET
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OH NO! BG can you please go on record as saying ...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 10, 2009 9:41 AM

Mid season check in:

Ladell Betts (WAS): 26 carries, 91 yards, 3.5 average yards/carry, 1 TD

Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG): 103 carries, 515 yards, 5.0 average yards/carry, 4 TDs

Also, 4th Floor, I completely agree with your take down in the previous thread about the selective bash facts in The Mayor's post (comparing the current situations of Levi Jones/Kyle DeVan, and the lack of love for Heyer). The Mayor has gone JLaC on us in only a few short months.

Here's what happened: The Skins went into Deep Shabingus mode because they lost in Week One and just got deeper and deeper into a swagger deficit.

Here's what I think: The Mayor smelled blood in the water and started going for the easy media bash meme rather than the honest dissection regarding the swagger deficit.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

heh heh, he said "mounting"

Playing without swagger, playing 'safe', playing with a losing attitude ... cause injuries. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"But signing guys off the street or from another team's practice squad in Week 10 is not the same thing as having the people who have gone through your offseason program, training camp and preseason."

Didn't stop them from hiring New Sherm.

Posted by: simpleton1 | November 10, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

isn't there a safety on the redskins practice squad, he seemed like a pretty sure tackler in the pre-season, played at OK, or something like that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, in receiving and hands:

Betts: 16 catches, 117 yards, 10.8 avg yards per catch

Bradshaw: 10 catches, 96 yards, 9,6 avg yards per catch

Betts: no fumbles

Bradshaw: 2 fumbles, one lost

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

This is what happens when guys play "high". They are out of control(Dirty Landry) and they get taken out by players with momentum!!! It all started at CLUB MED TRAINING CAMP!! It is really sad to see a true winning franchise turned into the BROWNS!!! A real Owner, with a real GM, with a real coach would have made them "earn it"!! The last real coach we had here was Marty. Gibbs 2.0 bought into the hype.... example Brunell, JC, TJ Duckett!!!!! OMG!!! Where were the 2.0 HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Joe! You should have known!!!!!!

Posted by: baggfull | November 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Bean, remember a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about coaching and I said hold on a second before calling McDaniels a "great" coach....well now they're only one game up on the Chargers and have been soundly beat two weeks in a row.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

sween, for what it's worth, even with his low number of touches so far, Betts leads the team in "plays when a dude made me really nervous he was going to fumble." And that includes JC.

It's not a matter of if Betts is going to fumble, it's a matter of when.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Betts did pretty good on sunday behind those bums. Due to a bit more quickness, I think he will continue to impress behind any other/new bums Vinny puts in front of him.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 10, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

zj, I don't recall that specifically, but I still think McDaniels is gonna be good. He's got a good team there...they've got some talent, and he's utilizing it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What's the deal with Cooley? I thought he was supposed to see his doctor yesterday and from that visit we were going to find out if he was going to come back this season...

Horton is out, but wasn't Doughty injured in that game as well? What's his status?

What's Heyer's injury status?

Westbrook?

How about a little more real reporting?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"We have a second half to the season here. If we've got to put eight [victories] together here, or whatever we need to do, we gotta do that. That's what we gotta do. It'll take everybody."

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Dude, if this team could put together eight minutes of consistently good football it would be amazing.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but at this point it's like using a squirt gun to put out a fire in your apartment while the owners are trying to burn down the building.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | November 10, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Dont we have some safeties already on roster and we had RB too...why wasnt it important to get an OL when we lost half the original starters, this is so stupid, over and over again. Zorn is a retarded puppet that they just leave out there to get hammered by the media and the fans, yet he isnt doing much to help himself either. I just cant believe this franchise anymore, stupidity and complacency has taken full root into this organization, whether or not he knows football, Snyder seems to know business and this a very poor ran business at this point.

Worst part of it all...i just got a letter that I had finally been selected for season tickets. SHould be F'N ecstatic, but I just cant get there, need a little help from my friends...lil green bag and jack daniels where are you?

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday to any Devil Dogs out there. Semper Fidelis!

Posted by: Devo2 | November 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

1. Nate, in my postgame (which everyone hates b/c I only bother trying to find things to be optimistic about), Betts got my biggest kudo (also Yoder, the invisible touchdown machine who sports a Yohawk, and Marko Mitchell, who got the first down on his first NFL game pass). I way prefer Betts to Portis right now. I'm actually OK putting Portis on IR because I'm in writeoff mode for any possibility of a post-season and now only interested in good games.

2. zJack, not sure whether it was Bean or me, but I was pimping the Broncos as being better than the Ravens and that the only team standing between the Broncos and the Super Bowl is the Patriots. McDaniel is Belichek Jr., but more importantly, Nolan is an aggressive blitzer. Orton can manage a game. That game just got away from them last night because Nolan didn't plan for Pittsburgh to show up with a running game. Pittsburgh needed a win way more (coming off two losses and a game back behind Cinci) and Denver, well, didn't need to be a hungry. Notwithstanding last night's result, I'm still saying the Broncos are right-rated (not over-rated).

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm just looking forward to seeing D'Anthony again this week when Heyer tweaks his knee. That guy is just fun to watch, each time he's on the field you get to see every possible way to miss a block as well as multiple penalties, its great.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

JReid is going 'All In' on us going winless.....

I'm betting we win atleast 3 games......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Broncos and the Super Bowl is the Patriots.

the colts, might have something to say about this, but they have recently been DECIMATED by injuries....I think Sanders is just too small and plays too hard..his body is just breaking down....

agreed on betts over portis right now....maybe CP will rediscover what it means to be in football shape and to appreciate football, if he gets the rest of the year to only watch the games....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

DCSween, I agree with you on both points. I have never understood the issues with Yoder and why they continue to forget about the guy. He had TD's last year and everyone hated the guy, I thought he blocked better than Fred Davis, yet it is impossible to get on the field to make plays. Once again, he has become a has been, b/c he was not hand chosen by VC or Zorn...we all have beeen calling for Betts, Mitchell and have not seen crap, until we had too and then what happens, they make plays...I just dont get it????

I almost wonder what is wrong with Rinehart or Henson or any other player that we draft that doesnt get to play, why dont they get to play??? This is killing me, this is not like we are a Corp that you have to wait in the wings and earn the corner office...sports are all about production, if you can produce or produce, you should get to play, but if we cant get them on the field to see what they can offer and we are losing anyways, why not PLAY these kids to see what we have...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

It's not so much injuries are mounting as it is the lack of pre-season commitment and conditioning are simply continuing to take their toll.

Recall that some felt that CP26 didn't need no stinking practices, preseason games or early season games because they wanted to save his legs for later on in the season. So here we are, but where's CP26? Oh yeah, he's up there in the big jacuzzi in Dan's office.

While AH92 signed a record contract with obscene amounts of guaranteed money, he couldn't be bothered to show up in anywhere near game condition -- and drew numerous guffaws for looking like a beached whale sucking wind on those few early occasions he did play -- and is only just lately starting to live up to his hype. And where's he now? Oh yeah, sitting in the big jacuzzi too.

And so it goes on down the line... (whoops, what line?)

Spent the better part of pre-season trying to decide who would be the third string quarterback, despite having no qualified first or second stringer.

Spent the better part of the early season trying to gel the team and get it used to playing together and maybe even win a few easy games against the league patsies. But instead were exposed for being the frauds they are.

Dumbed down a play book to the point where its now written in red and blue crayolas.. and still our so called QB doesn't know how to read it... or execute it... or much of anything else for that matter...

And from the few bright sparks in this otherwise lost season?

"Losing can be contagious. You can see it," rookie defensive end/strong-side linebacker Brian Orakpo said.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

F Reid and the "I told you I was right" high horse he rode in on.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Off topic here, but has anyone seen Drew Bennett on ESPN First Take? Dude just HAS to be gay...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn said the Redskins plan to sign a running back and possibly add another safety (likely a core special-teams player)"


Can we refer to the new dudes this way..."Today, the Washington Redskins signed RB Quinton Ganther and Core Special-Teams Player Micheal Wolgenheimer to the active roster..."

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The Broncos are a very good team....and they are at best 6th in their conference....

you can argue about the order but teams definitely better than them:

Pats
Pitt
Indy
Bmore (worse record but just crushed them two weeks ago so hard to argue)
Cincy (had them beat week one at Denver except for a crazy fluke last second tipped ball)

Teams that are as good or may be better:
Chargers - LT back healthy has made them better
Houston

Teams that could give them a game:
Jets
Dolphins
Jags

I'm sorry, Denver is good, it helps getting the Browns and Raiders early and I still think they make the playoffs since they'll get us, the Raiders, and the Chiefs twice so at the very least they should get to 10 wins but they are a second tier team in their conference.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

JReid is going 'All In' on us going winless.....

I'm betting we win atleast 3 games......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:05 AM

4th, are you betting at least 3 MORE wins, or 3 wins TOTAL?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Which 3 games do you have us winnning?

Posted by: smutsboy | November 10, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

F Reid and the "I told you I was right" high horse he rode in on.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

haha. Yeah, damn that reporter for seeing our problems coming, then reporting on the results of these problems!

Posted by: smutsboy | November 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The skins should bring in some local Pop Warner coaches to teach the basic fundamentals of tackling. It's obvious that either the coaches are stressing it or some players don't give a damn. So it's time to get back to the "Pop Warner" basics. Next week's lesson will be "blocking" taught by George Starke and Russ Grimm.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 10, 2009 10:45 AM

Here is an article I read last week regarding tackling:


Instead, defensive players are taught not to tackle. They get right up to the ball carrier and hit the brakes, just missing him or giving him a little bump.

Make full contact, and coaches and teammates get upset. Pittsburgh's Hines Ward threw a fit last year when he felt safety Anthony Smith hit receiver Willie Reid during a drill. The Steelers have a tackling dummy named Big Bertha, but that's about as physical as it gets on most training camp days.

Sure, that keeps everybody healthy, but some Sundays can look pretty ragged. Many players get a chance to tackle at full speed only during exhibition games. It shows once the regular season begins.

"It shows a whole bunch," Redskins safeties coach Steve Jackson said. "That's one of the fundamental skills. A lot of people don't tackle now because of the salary cap. You lose a guy because of a tackling drill, you're the dumbest guy on the planet."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iuW4sOrhnZHOe9Krm-c9595G0ZFgD9BO8L1O0

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm betting we win atleast 3 games......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse


Is this the same 4th that predicted 15-1? I say we win 1 game tops...and I doubt it will be against the Raiders.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

4th, are you betting at least 3 MORE wins, or 3 wins TOTAL?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 11:14 AM

3 more.

* Denver (AKA the Campbell Revenge Game)
* @ Dallas
* Giants

I also think they have a great chance @Philly.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

M-I-C-K-E-Y-M-O-U-S-E

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 10, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I say we win 1 game tops...and I doubt it will be against the Raiders.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 11:24 AM


It won't be. I never had that pegged as a win, even when we thought this team would be respectable. Heading out west against a team that this delusional team thinks is inferior...little to no chance of a Redskins win there.

I would, however, buy a win against Dallas at FedEx. Probably wishful thinking, but that's about the only game I could see them winning.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised if the Skins don't win another game this season. Hell-oooo... friggin' Levi Jones is going to start at left tackle this Sunday. It's week nine, and we are screwed.

"Portis into the line again for no gain... Campbell hit and he fumbles again...another dropped pass for Devin Thomas, oh my." Getcha popcorn ready.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 10, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"plays when a dude made me really nervous he was going to fumble."

They've only been tracking this a couple of years, now, so there isn't really a trend defined yet...Betts may, in fact, lead the league in this category.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 10, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Yes 15-1 was based on blind faith optimisim and thinking we had an offense who played offense for us, not the other team....

This is the forgotten season, which means no more blind faith for this team....it'll be back the day after the season is over (Which could be after the SB, technically speaking)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

3 more.

* Denver (AKA the Campbell Revenge Game)
* @ Dallas
* Giants

I also think they have a great chance @Philly.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:28 AM

Ok, so by "betting," are you willing to, well, "bet?" Like, for real? Because I'll gladly take the "they'll win fewer than 3 games the rest of the season," and the corresponding bottle of Remy that we're about to "bet"....

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

New Cerratto game plan to save his job;

1) Sign Johnson.

2) Sign Vick after season ends, thought
being that with Vick it eliminates the
need for quality offensive line.

3) Draft High Profile strong safety!

PROBLEMS SOLVED

Posted by: Spanglerg | November 10, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Injuries....pffffffft. So what? If anything, the old blood is out and what new guys we have will be forced to play - given our staff out and out refuses to let the young guys in when the season is clearly lost, I guess injuries are the only way.

Sure does look like MM belonged inactive or riding the pine all this time....right.

...and someone tell me why we need another RB? We have ENOUGH RB'S ONE THE ROSTER, geez.

Now, I don't root for injuries, ever. But if Cartwright gets hurt, does that mean someone with some explosion will return kicks? How about ARE?

I can handle the losing - that is a given at this point. I can't handle taking advantage of the "what do we have to lose" situation we are in.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 10, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Just listened to Tracee Hamilton on Kornheiser's show, anyone else want to slap that chick, IDIOT...

Talking about how these players only work 16 days a year and have 7 months off a year and they need a halftime speech and how pathetic that they need a half time speech. Retarded.

I coach lacrosse in high school and give my kids a half time speech each game, are they pathetic cuz they need to be redirected and given some coaching???

Said she was happy the skins were on a bye, cuz then she could watch non bad football. I HATE HER, OFFICIALLY.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn said the Redskins plan to sign a running back and possibly add another safety (likely a core special-teams player)"

Can we refer to the new dudes this way..."Today, the Washington Redskins signed RB Quinton Ganther and Core Special-Teams Player Micheal Wolgenheimer to the active roster..."

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 11:12 AM

Bright idea #1. Elevate Lendy Holmes from the practice squad. He did this weird thing in the pre-season that kind of stood out at me ... he FINISHED tackles.

zJack, the thing about Browns/Raiders and the Broncos wins ... its about timing and swagger surplus ... its about confidence building and team building. I'm not denying that there are other solid postseason teams in the AFC, but I think the Broncos D stacks up more than plenty againt Peyton Manning (though there was a little bit of pantsing of the Denver secondary by the Steelers receivers last night). I also agree that LT back in San Diego means a little less attention to their receivers, but LT the rushing machine = Clinton Portis the rushing machine = an old calendar. Houston is way over-rated (if you could only see how many weekly picks 4th Floor is coughing up in hopes that the Texans will surprise everybody ... but they just haven't done it yet). Jets/Jags/Miami? Maybe Miami or NYJ, but only one of those two is going to a wild card. AFC East is just tougher than AFC West. We will be talking about the Doncos more as they face the rest of the NFC East, but Norv has still been reliably Norv (wowzy, wowzy, woo, woo) and I say that San Diego no longer has a reserved spot in the post season (maybe wild card) and the true Belichek Jr. has some creative offensive stuff, plus an aggressive DC in Nolan. Denver is the AFC mirror of New Orleans.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I can see us sneaking a win against Dallas or Philly. That's about it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Blaming this year and this OL on injuries is a joke. Samuels and Thomas are nice players, but are 32 and 33, past their primes, and are more likely to suffer major injuries than younger players. It's the job of the "GM" [sic] to foresee such injuries and build some depth into the roster. But it's hard to do that when you have no cap space and no youth due to a decade of hare-brained decision making.

Posted by: jksesq1 | November 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

can handle the losing - that is a given at this point. I can't handle taking advantage of the "what do we have to lose" situation we are in.
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I can't handle NOT taking advantage...I need an edit button, badly.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Deal, if we include the point spread......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Ladell Betts (WAS): 26 carries, 91 yards, 3.5 average yards/carry, 1 TD

Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG): 103 carries, 515 yards, 5.0 average yards/carry, 4 TDs"

Yea, but you'll be singing a different tune when Betts gets his first 400 yard, 4 TD game of the season on Sunday.

Posted by: psps23 | November 10, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

dc, Lendy Holmes, thats who I was thinking of....yeah, elevate that cat...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Ok.....a fifth of Remy saying the Skins win atleast 3 games total out of the last 8 games of the season......I'll take that deal

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention this thought....

Time to promote Andre Woodson up from the P Sqaud....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Said she was happy the skins were on a bye, cuz then she could watch non bad football. I HATE HER, OFFICIALLY.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

And her triple CHIN!!!! F that walrus!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yahoo Sports is saying that Betts too has a sprained ankle, but is expected to start if Portis does not. So now Betts will be even slower. Hey I got my wish and saw #84 Marko Mitchell out there. He runs a nice slant. Big, tall target for Campbell. Seems to have sticky hands too. Hopefully he will play more against Denver.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Ok - forgive me, but I haven't read any comments.. or the blog post for that matter.

All I had to read was the title and I'm already tasting bile...

This is not about depth. We had ALL our starters and the EXACT same problems were there. This is about mis-management, poor coaching and lack of skill at critical points.

We have two wins against some of the worst teams this league has to offer. We did that with all the starters pretty much.

Can we stop trying to focus blame somewhere besides where the blame actually lies??

We DO have a playoff quality team here. Watching the playoffs. On TV. Again.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

the true Belichek Jr. has some creative offensive stuff, plus an aggressive DC in Nolan. Denver is the AFC mirror of New Orleans.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

lol.....that's all got, that statement right there is just hilarious.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see the Broncos crumble, just like we did last season.

Coaches start out strong when oppposing coaches have no film on there team, and then they get some film and it's all over.

If they prove me wrong, then who cares, it's the AFC

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Denver is the AFC mirror of New Orleans."

I'd agree only if you combined Shanahan's offense with McDaniels' (aka Nolan's) defense. Take the best of both worlds, and you've got New Orleans.

Posted by: psps23 | November 10, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@dcsween

The Steelers were not coming off of two losses, in fact they have won 5 straight. They also are tied with the Bengals heading into their game this weekend (at Heinz).
The Broncos lost that game last night because their offense was anemic and the defense wore down (two weeks in a row). They still should win 11 games based on their schedule, could be enough to win the west...

Posted by: bigdaddymark | November 10, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Channeling my inner Vinny C:

Why activate a promising young safety from our practice squad when Troy Vincent and Stanley Richard are sitting out there for the taking?

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

da sheriff...hahahahaha...

Danny Copeland maybe?? Raphel Cherry? Barry Wilburn??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Betts sucks at pass protection this season, straight up SUCKS.

I don't dislike the guy or the player, but he had 21 rushing yds through 7 games, sucks in pass protection, and is 30 years old.

He's a decent back up to Portis, that's it. Suddenly, Cartwright comes in to spell Betts. Why wasn't Betts coming in to spell Portis.

Hunter Smith is the greatest FA acquisition in the history of sport, kudos dan vin snyd-rrato

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

4th- I only do "point spreads" when it's for coffee [or, more precisely, Coffee Flats].

But for this...."a fifth of Remy saying the Skins win at least 3 games total out of the last 8 games of the season"....You're on!

Skins finish with my blog handle, or worse, Remy's on you. They go 5-11 or better, Remy's on me.

Cyberspace shake on it.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I dont know about anyone else, but Marko looked pretty good out there, in the right light he looked like Moss - the good one, tall quick and sure handed...I know it was only 2 catches, but I am sold!

Why do we even let ARE on the field if we have Marko and then others that can return punts...

Oh Yeah, I hate Tracee Hamilton - HATE, go write about the Browns you massive Moose

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

We DO have a playoff quality team here. Watching the playoffs. On TV. Again.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

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That is the mindset that keeps getting us into trouble. We may have THOUGHT we had playoff quality team, but we don't - not even close.

We are what are record says we are. (sorry Bill, stole it)

...and our record says we stink.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 10, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

{shooken}

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Denver is the AFC mirror of New Orleans."

I'd agree only if you combined Shanahan's offense with McDaniels' (aka Nolan's) defense. Take the best of both worlds, and you've got New Orleans.

Posted by: psps23 | November 10, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@dcsween

The Steelers were not coming off of two losses, in fact they have won 5 straight. They also are tied with the Bengals heading into their game this weekend (at Heinz).
The Broncos lost that game last night because their offense was anemic and the defense wore down (two weeks in a row). They still should win 11 games based on their schedule, could be enough to win the west...

Posted by: bigdaddymark | November 10, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Denver is a good team, but two weeks in a row they have been exposed against good defenses. Plz stop pretending they even resemble New Orleans or a championship caliber team. They don't run the ball well and they have an average QB who is just a game manager. Their defense is aggressive but undersized both Baltimore and Pitt showed if you commit to running the ball they wear down and get gashed in the second half. Thanks to their division they will make the playoffs but their time there will be short especially if they have to go on the road.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

pab, "but he had 21 rushing yds through 7 games"

how many carries was he given during those 7 games??

Like many guys on this team, they should have been utilized MUCH, MUCH sooner...

its not that hard to figure out.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Betts lack of production going into the Falcons game was on zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Channeling my inner Vinny C:

Why activate a promising young safety from our practice squad when Troy Vincent and Stanley Richard are sitting out there for the taking?

Posted by: Original_etrod
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Man, if you have an inner Vinny I would head for the nearest church for an exorcism. That is not funny. Of all the people to be possessed by, I can think of no one worse than Vinny. Pretty soon you'll be trading your Lexus for a twenty year old Honda Civic. Next you'll be a million dollar house in a run down neighborhood. Then you'll start dating ugly chicks saying they've "got the potential to be starters". And then there's the whole urge to kiss a billionaire's butt thing that I really don't want to get into. See a priest. Now.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

So all the speculation of who our next coach will be seemed to disappear. Any rejuvenated thoughts on who that might be? Or any strong desrires for a partcular guy?

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

So I should break up with my 340lb (down from 405) downtown Detroit real estate agent girlfried because she's too big to fit in my '89 civic?

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we can move Lorenzo Alexander over to the offensive side of the ball to play guard? He seems like a terrific athlete that could pick up the system and technique. We have such good depth on the defensive line...maybe we could move him over. Just a thought...

Posted by: pmiller33 | November 10, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"That means Washington will have a guy charged with protecting quarterback Jason Campbell's blind side who was unemployed and looking for work at this time a month ago."

You are suggesting that somehow this is unusual?

(INSERT sarcasm)

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 8:58 AM |

Jesus you dumbnuts. You quoting R Maese, not J Reid. You should not be posting here now. Should be in developmental ed class with other sweathogs. Tell Kotter I say Hi.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

So all the speculation of who our next coach will be seemed to disappear. Any rejuvenated thoughts on who that might be? Or any strong desrires for a partcular guy?

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 12:04 PM

I've been thinking about it and I'm going with someone completely out there.


Mike Sherman - GM/HC experience in the NFL. Has been successful at both the college and pro level. Has a creative mind in designing and implementing a power rushing attack. The only draw back is I think he really likes it at Texas A&M.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

curz, agreed, but its also not that simply stated either. I think you could make a convincing argument that had the team been using betts, in perhaps a 50/50 split in carries with Portis, their running game would be much more viable than it is right now....which also trickles into making the passing game more effective, etc....this was all on JZ as well as Stump...they didn't properly use the guys they had, despite JZ contention to the contrary before the season, stating that reducing Portis's carries was a priority...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

FedorEm, last time there was a search for a HC the Skins went about it backwards. My hope and the only way to turn this thing around is to hire a President of Football Operations to run the Redskins. That person should hire the GM who would then hire a Head Coach and work said HC to hire the rest of the staff. No other way.

Outside of Ron Wolfe and Parcels, who is there that can get our team back respectability? That should be the conversation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sherman - GM/HC experience in the NFL. Has been successful at both the college and pro level. Has a creative mind in designing and implementing a power rushing attack. The only draw back is I think he really likes it at Texas A&M.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 12:13 PM |

Dude on proverbial "hotty seat" at A&M and you wants him for next Skins coach? Sheesh.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

greg, from what I can tell, zorn makes the decisions on who is active and my guess on who plays. as you said, betts should have been used more...randle el should not be returning punts...miss use of the young guys on the roster...these are all on zorn.

as the hc, he is the one responsible for the game plan and who is used on that game plan. the fault clearly lies with zorn on betts production imo.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

who is there that can get our team back respectability? That should be the conversation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 12:15 PM

Gibbs 3.0! We just can't let the man live out his final years!!


Gibbs 3.0 President of Football Ops

One of PArcells relatives for GM

Grimm HC

Zampese OC

Gray DC

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Outside of Ron Wolfe and Parcels, who is there that can get our team back respectability? That should be the conversation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised that Danny himself doesnt come down and Coach the team. I am starting to think the only reason he doesnt is because of the NFL's rules that he would have to be accessible to the Media.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

And F all those other QBs y'all been naming so far, save for Bradford....

Ryan Mallet is the real deal...He may not come out this year though, trying to improve his draft stock....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th, who's Zampese? Name sounds familiar but I can't place it at the moment.

Like the other choices though!

Posted by: AppleScience | November 10, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

So I should break up with my 340lb (down from 405) downtown Detroit real estate agent girlfried because she's too big to fit in my '89 civic?

Posted by: Original_etrod
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Dude, forget about calling Father Merrin. You need Constantine.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all you're thoughts on the GM/HC topic. That is really all I am waiting for, and yes I do agree that we need a GM FIRST, then let HIM hire the HC. Then let the HC hire his guys. Then let the GM build the roster starting with the O line. We all know we can't fix it 1 year, but the O line has to be fixed ASAP or at least addressed first. If we suffer in the secondary next year so be it. I'd rather lose 35-31 then 31-14.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Outside of Ron Wolfe and Parcels, who is there that can get our team back respectability? That should be the conversation.

Posted by: Curzon417

Wilbon made his suggestion ... Polian from Indy. I like it, too.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

More from Bill Barnwell on what the numbers say about Jason Campbell:

"Campbell had average interception rates of 2.9 percent and 2.6 percent during his first two years as a pro, but last year, he threw picks on a league-low 1.2 percent of his throws."

"This year, he's at 3.5 percent through eight games, and it's seen as a sign of his poor performance. We'll discuss Campbell's half-season later on in Quick Reads, but there's no reason to believe that Campbell has experienced some dramatic decline in his decision-making or isn't cut out to be an NFL quarterback. (The difference between a rate of 3.5 percent and 2.9 percent, over a full-season, is three interceptions.) His interception rate has just regressed to the mean."

"When you've got three hours of talk radio to fill or a bar argument to win, speculating wildly and groping for any fact on the wild ride to the conclusion is the name of the game. Maybe that will never change. But if actually want to reconcile what's happening on the field with reality -- and be right in advance instead of after the fact -- have a little patience."

Patience? Naw -- anything but that.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 10, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Didn't like Hamilton's column, but I did like what I heard in it from Brian Orakpo regarding celebrating after getting a sack.

From the article: [Brian Orakpo had two sacks Sunday; he has 5 1/2 for the season and is having a great year. I didn't see any dancing or posing from him.

"I'm holding back," the rookie said. "It's like getting a home run when you're down 10-3. There's no point celebrating when you're down." ]

Posted by: AppleScience | November 10, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

FF Update

Week 9 is done and what a crazy weekend it was in the Peeps league.

When the dust cleared on Tuesday morning, all 3 leaders had lost. The 3 way tie at the top had turned into a 4 way tie at the top. Once again, BYE week issues and injuries played a big part.

The marquee matchup was Redcoat's league leading Fins against my Futaleufu Swimmers. It was wet and wild, as the league's two top scoring teams provided the two top scores of the week. Each team had an RB go huge (C Johnson and D Williams) and plenty of double digit scorers. It was a nailbiter, coming down to the last quarter of play. When mcnabb misfired late, the Futa (6-3) held on to eke out a 118-112 win over Fins (6-3). Both teams are now part of the 4-way logjam at the top of the league. It is worth mentioning that Fins had 1 player on a bye week ... Adrian Peterson.

Another leader that went down were the Buffaloes (6-3) to Alex's Zombie Hord (5-4) with a final of 88-73. The Seahawk defense played key role for Alex in the win.

Monday night determined the outcome of several matches. Nate (3-6) and Tampa (5-4) entered the night tied, but Tampa had 2 players going, so the outcome was never really in doubt, with Tampa winning 68-59.

There were 2 contests headed into Monday night, with each team playing one player. 4-12 (3-6) and Future Winners (4-5) were separated by 2 points and the first place Jackalopes trailed the Steers by 3. A third contest had Skulls (3-6) leading by 7 over the East Coast Shaft, but only the Shaft (4-5) had a player going in Monday's game.

A TD pass from Big Ben to Mike Wallace with 7 minutes to go brought two teams, Shaft and Future, from behind and into a 2 point lead.

The Shaft opened it up from there for an 83-76 win, while Future held on by the narrowest of margins to win, 92-91.

The Jackalopes (6-3) held close for a while, but a Hines Ward TD put the game out of reach, with the Steers (3-6) winning 82-67. Ward and Turner combined for 48 points to lead the Steers.

The entire league is bunched within 3 games of each other, with 4 games to play before the playoffs. Parity rules and a wild finish is pretty much assured!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Micheal Wolgenheimer looks like the kind of guy who could lead the team back to respectability, then that bama go and steal you in the mouf. Such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 10, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse


The Hamsters rocked the wheel this week.

The Ham Stweengs (4-5) and the league leading Trippin' Billies (7-2) went at it in a key game for both teams. Stweengs had a 27 point lead going into Monday night, courtesy of a huge game from da Bears Greg Olson. But, the Billies had 3 players going on Monday that averaged a combined 25 points per game. By the time the 4th quarter rolled around, the Billies had pulled within 5. But at the 2 minute warning, the Billies still trailed by 2. And in a dramatic twist, the Steelers, instead of running out the clock in the final minute, threw a meaningless TD pass to Hines Ward that put the Billies into the win column, 100-95.

The Coproliths (and I know what that means now and wish I didn't) motored out to a 111-86 win over the Kookaid Kids (2-7). Copro (5-4), the leagues top scoring team, had a combined 54 points from Chris Johnson and Randy Moss.

58 proved a lucky number twice this week, unlucky once. Butz (2-7) took care of the Realskins (5-4) by a final of 58-38. Ray Rice led Butz with 18.

58 also proved enough for Zornskins (6-3), as he topped cL's F Bombers (4-5) in a close one, 58-53. 23 of Zorny's points came in the Sunday night game, just enough to decide a contest that came down to the final minutes of play.

58 wasn't enough, however, for Alpa Chino (3-6). The Cal Salmon (7-2) overcame bye week issues with RBs to win, 109-58. The WR trio of Larry Fitzgerald, Vincent Jackson and Donald Driver did the heavy lifting, combining for 55 points and helping keep the Salmon tied with the Billies at the top of the standings.

E Funk's All Stars (5-4) topped Dealer 114-82. E Funk was strong top to bottom, led by Michael Turner's 35 points. E Funk even had one of the top QB to WR combos of the week, Cassel to Chambers (42 points!), on his bench.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Mallet is the real deal...He may not come out this year though, trying to improve his draft stock....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 12:32 PM |

Why you like the dude? Booted out by Rich-Rod, QB for a SEC team that at bottom of standings. Must be somebody better than that.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Betts did pretty good on sunday behind those bums."

No one ever said Betts was bad.

And he does allow Sherm to dail up a wider variety of running plays and screens.

But does he have the speed to get the occasional 'breakaway' run NFL teams get by with today?

That's the new question: does a slow, grinding running game work in the skins' favor?

Actually, given the teams' inept passing game: yes.

'Nuther question: if Betts-Cartwright is a nice mix, is paying Portis money to leave advantageous?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"I'm holding back," the rookie said. "It's like getting a home run when you're down 10-3. There's no point celebrating when you're down." ]

Posted by: AppleScience | November 10, 2009 12:41 PM

Weird how the rookie gets it, but our vets don't.

F any player on this team that celebrates when the overall play is terrible.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Dude on proverbial "hotty seat" at A&M and you wants him for next Skins coach? Sheesh.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:23 PM

Yeah I do. That's even better if the Aggies administration wants to let him go. Um why don't you check out his pro coaching record. Why don't you check out the players he has drafted. He's a qualified, good coach Pinky Dinky.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

This whole situation is embarssing and frankly a joke! The best thing to happen to the Skins would be to lose every game and fall into the #1 pick. Hopefully, someone will fall in love with a player at the top of the board and pull a Mike Ditka, trade us their entire draft and two offensive linemen for CP(contract/attitude), DH(attitude/contract) and the 1st round pick. Oh by the way stand in the rain with you right index finger pointed at a 90 degree angle because it would take lighting to strke for us to get out of this. This is a 5 year process at best because there are so few good pieces to work with.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | November 10, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Will Ganther see the field? If Rock is backup RB, maybe Devin Thomas will return kicks. It seems when we get punted to, they are never returnable. Never those line drive gift punts that get returned for TD's. Or maybe ARE just sucks at returning. Yeah I think thats it. He's been reduced to a 3rd down possession receiver. That is the only time he should be on the field.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

'dail'?

We meant 'dial'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Ken Zampese is the son of Ernie Zampese (learned Air Coryell at the foot of Coryell since the 60s and was an asst here in Gibbs 2.0 1st year).

Ken is the QB Coach @ Cincy currently....He's coached @ USC, Miami in college...GB, Philly, Rams (with Saunders),and Cincy in the Pros. He's time is now for OC....BUT DON'T ELEVATE HIM TO HC....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Why you like the dude? Booted out by Rich-Rod, QB for a SEC team that at bottom of standings. Must be somebody better than that.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it either. He's just another immobile rocket arm QB. He won't work here any better than JC. I'd rather have Colt McCoy(for the right price) or Christian Ponder (assuming he heals properly and has a good senior year).

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I do. That's even better if the Aggies administration wants to let him go. Um why don't you check out his pro coaching record. Why don't you check out the players he has drafted. He's a qualified, good coach Pinky Dinky.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 12:47 PM |

You delusional. Dude one step away from plank and Danny snatches him from jaws of defeat to annoint him next Skins HC. Fans would march on Park with pitchforks and torches.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Why you like the dude? Booted out by Rich-Rod, QB for a SEC team that at bottom of standings. Must be somebody better than that.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 12:43 PM

He wasn't booted...It was more mutual...MAllet doesn't fit the Rich Rod Spread...Mallet is slowww...6'7" will do that....but he has a rocket arm (that was for the owner and Vinny)...He's smart...Cutler's team had horrible records in college....He's starting to get hot since he had to take the year off for transferring...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'd really hate for some newly signed players to dilute the incredible level of talent that we have assembled. Could anyone do a worse job at RB, OL, or in the secondary than what we have already seen so far this year?

"But signing guys off the street or from another team's practice squad in Week 10 is not the same thing as having the people who have gone through your offseason program, training camp and preseason."

Posted by: james808d | November 10, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

im all for mallet if we can get him in the second round. take a tackle in the first. big arm and can take a beating. you dont have to be fast, just know your surroundings. look at big ben. just moves with the pocket.

Posted by: brian58 | November 10, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

seems a lot has been posted about LL late hit on Ryan and the following scrum.

What hasn't been looked it is how the Skins responded. It was 21-3 when that play occurred.

Really well. The Skins d got in Ryan's grill in a big way. Ryan got called for grounding under heat. Lorenzo hit Ryan hard a play later and got called for a bogus roughing penalty. Ryan got sacked a couple plays after that.

The drive got ATL a FG, mostly because of the 30 yards in penalties.

The Skins started the 2nd half with a TD drive. Followed by an ATL 3 and out. Followed by another Skins TD drive.

It was 24-17 with a well rested defense.

Then they forgot how to tackle ...


My conclusion, if the guys get mad enough and play hard, they can be very good. But they don't keep that edge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Ken is the QB Coach @ Cincy currently....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 12:52 PM |

You have right team, wrong HC. Brian Kelly, Cincy's HC, would be infinitely better choice than Russ Grimm. All of Cincy's flashy O is brainchild of Brian.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Mallet is the real deal...He may not come out this year though, trying to improve his draft stock....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Why you like the dude? Booted out by Rich-Rod, QB for a SEC team that at bottom of standings. Must be somebody better than that.

Posted by: MrPink


He wasn't booted...It was more mutual...MAllet doesn't fit the Rich Rod Spread...Mallet is slowww...6'7" will do that....but he has a rocket arm (that was for the owner and Vinny)...He's smart...Cutler's team had horrible records in college....He's starting to get hot since he had to take the year off for transferring...

Posted by: 4thFloor


Of course him being at Michigan would have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

One more thought, isn't it to a player's advantage to have skipped our offseason program and training camp? Seeing how the SKins get worse game by game and year by year, the less time a player has spent on this roster the better.

"But signing guys off the street or from another team's practice squad in Week 10 is not the same thing as having the people who have gone through your offseason program, training camp and preseason."

Posted by: james808d | November 10, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not a head coach!
Vinny is not a gm!
playcalling was atrocious by Zorn on 4th down.
Zorn is not a meticulous QB coach (he never instructs the QB to try to draw the defense off sides). Zorn thinks it is normal for a QB to have to run for his life because he was famous for doing it when he played. Otherwise he would have demanded better OL depth/talent starting the season.
We made so many mental mistakes, it was a miracle that we came within 7 points of tying the game in the 2nd half.
Why would you even consider having different play callers for pass and run plays?
Why isn't JC in the shotgun more, calling his own plays, rolling out of the pocket more to atleast have a chance at not being sandwiched?
Why isn't Marko starting?
Why not go no huddle sometimes so the defense cannot adjust regularly?
Why does Blatche let Rogers play 12 yards off the WR? Is it so that he never has to worry about touching an interception and thus no chance to drop it (again)?
Was there anyone on the planet (other than the skins) that did not know Gonzales was going to get that initial TD pass. Carter merely tapped him on the shoulder instead of trying to bump the crap out of him off the line (doesn't Carter lift weights too?)
Don't worry folks, we will beat Denver at home because the air will be too thick for them!

Posted by: jenksredskins | November 10, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who actually thinks "swagger deficit" is even in the top 20 most salient reasons why the Redskins suck, is a full-on, unmitigated idiot. Plus, if you are one of these idiots, I have a rock that is gauranteed to keep tigers away, which I'm willing to sell you for $1 million*. Step right up.

*Not available for sale in India, parts of China, Siberia, Sri Lanka or anywhere tigers are known to roam free. Rock may not be taken onto the premises of zoos, wildlife refuges, Bush Gardens, Las Vegas shows, William Blake poem reinactments, Kelloggs promotional events, or any other event/location where tigers, or depictions of tigers, may be present.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | November 10, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

*Zorn was asked about rookie receiver Marko Mitchell, who came off the inactive list to make two catches at Atlanta.

"I trust the things we did with him and that’s why he was successful," Zorn said. "To play 50 palys and do the kinds of things the other guys have been working on, in my mind, he’s not quite there yet. He was on the field and he was productive in the things we asked him to do. He’s making his case stronger and stronger that he should be definitely active and involved in the offensive plays."

Reaction: Mitchell is a fan favorite because he has size and was impressive in the preseason. But he's not ready for prime time duty. The second half of the year should be for working him into the rotation so he can play a bigger role in 2010.

-- Ryan O'Halloran


just don't get zorn...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

This whole situation is embarssing and frankly a joke! The best thing to happen to the Skins would be to lose every game and fall into the #1 pick. Hopefully, someone will fall in love with a player at the top of the board and pull a Mike Ditka, trade us their entire draft and two offensive linemen for CP(contract/attitude), DH(attitude/contract) and the 1st round pick. Oh by the way stand in the rain with you right index finger pointed at a 90 degree angle because it would take lighting to strke for us to get out of this. This is a 5 year process at best because there are so few good pieces to work with.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | November 10, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse


First off, we could lose all of our reamaining games and still won't get the #1 pick. We beat Tampa and St. Louis. They both have 1 less win than we do. If they don't win at least 2 more games then they are #1, and #2. The Lions have to win another game otherwise they are #3. The chiefs will have to win another game or they are #4. The Browns may have to win 2 more games. That's 5 teams that are worse than us right now.

Secondly, I think we have a lot to work with. Most of our starters are under 30 and will be for a couple of years. I think we could fix this inside of 2 years if we are smart.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

@ Mr. Pink - He is QB coach for the Bengals, not the college team...And I don't think Snyder wants to go the college route...but I like the Bearcats offense...

@RedDMV - Shut Up. Michigan has produced many a QBs. Our best QB on our team right now and in the league are both from Michigan. MAllet doesn't play there anymore, but he is still legit. He is a terrible fit for the WCO, though, which I doubt we'll have next year (wishful thinking).......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Instead of signing players off the street, can we throw the coaches, GM and owner to the street?

Posted by: jmy999 | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

curz, that right there, is reason #1 why JZ needs to go...he still doesn't get it...he's DONE...get rid of him NOW...how can you be that arrogant, how can you be that BLIND, when you're team is this bad.....ufb..."I trust the things we did with him and that’s why he was successful," WHO SAYS THIS CRAP??????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Instead of signing players off the street, can we throw the coaches, GM and owner to the street?

Posted by: jmy999 | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM |

At rush hour.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

the question isn't whether we get the #1 overall pick, there is always plenty of talent in a draft. Its whether we draft wisely. Ryan Clady, one of the best young RTs in the league came out around #12 overall.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

This just in from Redskins Park:

Laron Landry was so upset after they arrived back at the park last night about the scuffle in Atlanta that he got in his Hummer and attempted to drive back to Atlanta to confront Head coach mike smith. He was pulled over in Pennsylvania this morning for speeding.

I guess Laron is staying true to himself he took the wrong angle to get to Atlanta and ended up in Pennsylvania trying to deliver a late hit.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 10, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

WHO SAYS THIS CRAP??????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 1:15 PM |

Calm down dude. Anything Z say now designed to be annoying. His way of giving finger before exit stage right.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Bean, Zorn isn't a good HC and the evidence was overwhelming a long time ago.

I also wonder why this dead horse is still in town.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is more from zorn:

*On Ladell Betts looking like he was running in a different gear than Clinton Portis.

"They're two different kinds of runners but Ladell certainly picked up some slack and really ran hard," Zorn said. "That’s been his reputation – to come in, get his legs moving and get what he can. He made some good run decisions and played hard. Everybody has known since before I got here that Ladell Betts is a quality back and has had some success as the running back when Clinton went down."

Reaction: No need at this point to say Betts will get a chance to take over the starting position if he continues to out-produce Portis.

- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"I trust the things we did with him and that’s why he was successful," WHO SAYS THIS CRAP??????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 1:15 PM |

BG you're right. What does that say about the lack of production for DT and MK? Were they not put in positions to succeed as well? If the answer is yes, then it speaks to the argument of having Mitchell on the field more. If the answer is no, then it speaks to the ineptness of the coaching staff.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"Ryan Mallet is the real deal..."


Not really.

He throws a nice deep ball, but he doesn't hit 'check down' guys when the play is not there deep.

I continue to believe that Jake Locker, Sam Bradford, and Colt McCoy are the picks of the quarterback litter.

The best college quarterback?: USC freshman Matt Barkley.

Hopefully, when he comes out in 2012, we won't need a quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

...but I like the Bearcats offense...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM |

How not to be impressed with what Kelly has done. Takes recruit scraps left by OSUs and Michs and builds into #5 ranked team.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Everybody has known since before I got here that Ladell Betts is a quality back and has had some success as the running back when Clinton went down

Apparently not even you take your own advice, because you categorically IGNORED him all year long. it took an injury to CP for you to give him ANYTHING in a game...thats called, idiocy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, try to take a deep breath and relax, dude. Season is over -- we're heading for 3-13 or so. No way in hell Zorn is back next year anyway. Hopefully Vinny is gone as well. I'm actually enjoying not having to get so amped up and stressed on Sunday's...

Posted by: mattylight | November 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

uncle on the Broncos, but I still say they make it to the post-season and don't get stopped on their way to the Super Bowl unless and until they meet the Pats.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Marko Mitchell is a fan favorite because he has size and was impressive in the preseason."


Marko is a fan favorite because when the ball comes near him, he snags it out of the air.

Short, tall, slow, fast: all we want is a wide receiver dude who will 'go get' the ball and make himself a terror while getting yards after the catch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@RedDMV - Shut Up. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM |

Heh, heh. You channeling Jay Leno.

Posted by: MrPink | November 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It is very hard to defend many players on this team especially the OL, however, when you look at the coaching on this team I have to wonder just how bad are our players.

They never look ready to play, even after having two weeks to prepare for the Falcons. Players are playing out of position (someone -dcsween?- mentioned Rinehardt was drafted to play left guard), young players not developing, the list goes on that shows that coaching is the biggest problem with this team.

The only positive I take out of having to sit through the zorn "era" is that Vinny is permanently attached to him and will be fired with zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to go on record as being strongly in favor of "hotty seats."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 10, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"...uncle on the Broncos..."

Isn't it funny how last year, we all chomped at the notion of playing the AFC West?

But the chargers beat the jints, the broncos beat the cowboys, and the chiefs beat us.

I guess you can't stand pat against the 'patsies' anymore.

Is the AFC West the best division in football, especially so now that the ravens/jets/giants/packers have slowed down in their respective divisions?

Maybe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Do we take QB or OT with our first round pick? Who are the guys we should be looking at? What do you think we will end up doing? More food for thought.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 10, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Moe....Don't start him right away...He's a 2nd/3rd rounder if he comes out this year (which I doubt). Let him sit for 1/2 years atleast. He'll get it....He has the smarts and the arm.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn always tries to take the credit for stuff and none of the blame.

anybody notice how we start the game slow and then we have sort of found a rhythym around the end of the 2nd quarter or begining of the 3rd quarter.

I bet we start the game slow because Zorn is still making the play call script and it takes at least 1 and half quarters to get through his script. after that The sherms takeover and the play calls are noticeably different. we were running the ball well left and righ and up the middle, bootlegs, hitting different receivers and the Zorn had to poke his nose in there on that failed 4th down and in the 2 minute offense.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 10, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

we trade our pick down and pick up two OL-men - let Jason stay as the QB next year; we might as well let HIM get massacred behind a less than average line, and either pick his replacement from the next draft or someone who is currently a second stringer for another NFL team.

Until the OL is resucitated, next year will be just as bad as this. There is NO point in drafting a crap-shoot QB in the first round (And ALL college QBS are crap-shoots)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 10, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

if they pick a qb, what will be different??

they might as well pick up Ramsey and puthim back there, because unless they address the OL, then its lather, rinse repeat...and we're back to 2004...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

we trade our pick down and pick up two OL-men - let Jason stay as the QB next year; we might as well let HIM get massacred behind a less than average line, and either pick his replacement from the next draft or someone who is currently a second stringer for another NFL team.

Until the OL is resucitated, next year will be just as bad as this. There is NO point in drafting a crap-shoot QB in the first round (And ALL college QBS are crap-shoots)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

pretty much agree with this approach -- though I wouldn't write-off Campbell under better management. Also, rookie OL are rarely that good out of the box, it takes a couple years to get good. Clady last year and Oher this year seem to be exceptions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

fair point zee - the two drives on Sunday boosted Campbell's stock up a wee bit in my mind

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

why hasn't someone asked jz, about why Marko hasn't been active all year, and why betts is just now getting carries??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If people can accept the fact that we're in for at least a couple of rebuilding years, then I think it makes sense to bring back JC17, or a veteran stop-gap type and start revamping the offensive line. Within the next few years, we also have other needs that will have to be met, such as:

1. a RB to replace Portis

2. Two linebackers -- one to replace Fletch when age finally catches up to him, and one to play OLB so Orakpo can return to being a DE

3. A safety so that LL can go back to his natural position, unless of course we get rid of him as well

4. Another cornerback in the event we cut loose Iron Hands Rogers

Posted by: mattylight | November 10, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn always tries to take the credit for stuff and none of the blame."

So you're saying the Z-man preaches medium while stewing in his own pot of pigskin hubris?

Fair enough.

Arrogance is a sin when compounded with a stubborn attitude.

And the greatest sin seems to be Zorn's strict adherence to WCO coaching principles born in the days of Walsh: that a player has to know all his assignments before playing.

The odd thing about this is that last year, Portis didn't seem know know blitz pick ups, but got to play.

Perhaps it's best that Marko, Davis, Thomas, and Kelly be given a sub-set of plays where they get to shine.

Getting the young'ns playing time is the only guaranteed way of assessing their abilities as we move on to 3-13.

Otherwise, it's stupid to just let them stew on the bench just because the coach is arrogant.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Work got in the way and submitted last post w/o finishing my point, which is:

IMO we are closer to fixing this team than what is shown on the field. I feel that a competent coach can have this team finish with a winning record and that everything does not need to be "blown up".

As tough as I've been on JC, if next year is uncapped I would keep him around and have him compete for the starting job next season. Play the best QB as well as best players at ALL positions.

Spend draft picks on OL, SLB, RB and perhaps another corner but coming out of the draft with a min of 2 (no more spelling out numbers for me!) OL.

Cut older players with high contracts and get good solid FAs to cover positions we do not have draft picks for.

The Skins, with a good GM and quality coaches are not that far away. And an uncapped year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I say trade Landry for a 2nd and a 5th round pick this year

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 10, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

@RedDMV - Shut Up. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 1:10 PM |

Heh, heh. You channeling Jay Leno.

Posted by: MrPink

More like Jim Calhoun from UConn.

Hey 4th, why don't you GET SOME FACTS and come back and see me... GET SOME FACTS and come back and see me, you crazy blind dumb optimistic bamaroid.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Rational minds seem to agree that we shouldn't draft a QB - so what do you want to bet, next April - and, picking 6th, the Redskins choose - "Colt McCoy/Sam Bradford/Tim Tebow"?

Mark my words

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 10, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"...the two drives on Sunday boosted Campbell's stock up a wee bit in my mind..."


They also make you think that the idea of keeping him around for another season or two isn't that bad of an idea.

Let'em take the lumps while we rebuild the line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

jd, not gonna happen....its just not...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"we trade our pick down and pick up two OL-men - let Jason stay as the QB next year; we might as well let HIM get massacred behind a less than average line, and either pick his replacement from the next draft or someone who is currently a second stringer for another NFL team."

Well, I've explained why I think the criticism of Campbell, while in some ways legit, is ultimately unfair and based on false assumptions. I've even provided some supporting evidence!!!

He's just not a bad QB. Not a great one, either, but to get one of those requires real luck. But who'd blame the guy for leaving Washington?

Or Larry Johnson for trying to sign with a playoff contender? He needs blockers, too.

The whole draft process is a crapshoot. But a couple observations:

1. If you're going to draft an OL in the first round, you're better off doing it in the first ten picks.

2. The more picks you have, the better your odds of getting a couple players in the later rounds who can help you right now.

3. There's usually one legitimately good NFL starting QB in the first round of a draft. Others may emerge later, after your GM has already been replaced. The effect of all the QB hype during the run-up to the draft is to obscure the really quality player and make it more likely you'll guess wrong.

4. You can pick up some good linemen in the later rounds or as free agents.

5. It's usually smarter to diversify your portfolio -- meaning spread your picks among different positions -- than load up in one area. But the more picks you have, the more risks you can take. You can even draft a punter.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

we trade our pick down and pick up two OL-men - let Jason stay as the QB next year; we might as well let HIM get massacred behind a less than average line, and either pick his replacement from the next draft or someone who is currently a second stringer for another NFL team.

Until the OL is resucitated, next year will be just as bad as this. There is NO point in drafting a crap-shoot QB in the first round (And ALL college QBS are crap-shoots)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston


I don't like Jason Campbell. I think he is inaccurate, overly risk adverse, and doesn't read defenses well. However, looking at the free agent market, unless Rosenfels hits the market there is zero talent that will be available and not even sure Rosenfels is an upgrade. However, I disagree with "trade down". We suck at evaluating mid-round talent, period. If we got more picks we'd take 37 linebackers, a tight end or two, and a punter. Stay where we are and get the best or the second best offensive tackle in the draft, and hopefully boom perennial starter for years at LT. We can sign a RG, a RT, and a backup tackle in free agency easily. Those are findable, a stud left tackle to start for a decade, not so much. Go tackle first round, QB second round, keep JC for a year while grooming the young guy and see what happens when you have an NFL caliber oline. Take a fast scatback type in the 4th and then go guard, tackle to finish.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Poor 'Skins...even us Cowboy fans are feeling sorry for them and their fans. Maybe this is the dark before the dawn?

Posted by: JCM-51 | November 10, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

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