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Offensive line gives Redskins a lift and a bit of life

With Levi Jones making his first start at left tackle for the Redskins and Chad Rinehart back at right guard, Washington's offensive line was surprisingly effective in Sunday's 27-17 victory over the Denver Broncos.

Clinton Portis was sidelined after suffering a concussion in a Week 9 loss to the Atlanta Falcons, so the Redskins relied on hard-working backups Ladell Betts (114 yards, one touchdown, 4.4-yard average) and Rock Cartwright (41 yards, 4.6-yard average). The Redskins rushed for a season-high 174 yards and the patchwork offensive line provided excellent protection by its standards this season as quarterback Jason Campbell was sacked only three times after having been pummeled in Washington's previous two games.

"All the guys really did a great job," Campbell said of the offensive line. "It always starts upfront, and everything we did today as an offense was because those guys really got it going.

"They stayed on their blocks and gave Ladell and Rock some good running lanes. They gave me the time I really needed to go through my progressions and find guys to make plays."

I was curious to see how things would work with another reconfigured line against Denver. Players said Jones was solid and Rinehart wasn't bad in his return from exile after he struggled often in an earlier two-game audition to replace Randy Thomas.

It appeared Stephon Heyer, who moved from left tackle to right, continued to struggle in pass protection in the first half, prompting Campbell to step up in the pocket several times and disrupt his rhythm and the timing on a few plays. Someone on the coaching staff must have noticed, because Heyer's technique seemed to improve in the second half and Campbell stayed in place more after settling into his drop.

What does it all mean? Well, despite the offensive line's best performance of the season in the victory, the Redskins still have major talent and depth issues with that unit.

Coach Jim Zorn wisely has reduced the number of seven-step drops and long-developing patterns in the game plan each week, going with more slants and providing Campbell with other quick options. I fully expect Zorn to continue that trend as he installs the game plan for this week's encounter with the Dallas Cowboys at the new Cowboys Stadium.

The NFC East-leading Cowboys (6-3) and Redskins (3-6) are tied for seventh in the league with 24 sacks, and the Redskins have given up 30 sacks (Campbell has been sacked 28 times). Dallas quarterback Tony Romo has been sacked 22 times.

Washington coaches have made adjustments in an effort to reduce the number of times Campbell is hit and Betts and Cartwright the last two weeks have displayed a burst Portis usually did not in his previous 16 games as the primary back. That's a formula that should help the offense continue to be productive in the final seven games. I'm not predicting a playoff run, but at least the group now appears to have a bit of life.

"It was good to see our line really step up the way they did," Campbell said. "With those guys doing what they did and Ladell and Rock running the way they've been running, you have to like what we're doing."

By Jason Reid  |  November 16, 2009; 10:40 AM ET
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(In the Over-Rated basketball type Chant)

Carlos Rooogers....

Carlos Rooogers....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

pab, you're missing the point, los doesn't want to be hear, and doesn't care...read his quotes about being benched, he's not a team player....he's a lousy player, with a lousy attitude, and he's taking up a spot that he doesn't deserve.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

exactly, he is a bad guy, bad player, and bad teammate. He was throwing everyone from the owner to the trainer under the bus earlier when the losing streak started and now he isn't even able to own up to his mistakes or show any improvement or that he even cares, he's had a terrible season and been getting beat over and over again. He made Bethel Johnson look like Calvin earlier in the year and he's just been getting abused all year. Dhall may tackle like a girl but at least he can cover and catch, he has made more game changing picks in 10 games than Rogers has in his career.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS
Supreme Court declines to take Redskins' naming case

As expected, the Supreme Court of the United States has decided not to hear the suit that would force the Washington Redskins to change the team's name as per the wishes of various Native American Civil Rights Groups.

"We have better things to watch," Judge Clarence Thomas is quoted as saying while flipping through a set of unmarked dvds labeled with triple X's.

The White House declined to comment on the issue as with the president in China, there was no one around to make outrageous and empty promises.

Rush Limbaugh is said to be considering purchasing the redskin team as its racially offense name is in-keeping with his true feelings about people of any color.

"I want this team to fail," Limbaugh shouted to his masses of DittoHeads.

Obviously, Mr. Lmbaugh hasn't seen too many redskin games this season.

The team has failed quite admirably without his influence.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Coach Jim Zorn wisely has reduced the number of seven-step drops and long-developing patterns in the game plan each week, going with more slants and providing Campbell with other quick options.

JReid

Yeah, Zorn decided. I call BS on this. Sherman Lewis is more responsible based on the plays he is calling then Zorn is.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

even with all the extra time, Campbell was still really inaccurate on both long and short passes. However, with all the bad, he deserves some credit for making some nice plays while on the move.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 16, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

So, um, [not looking at zJack], I'm backing off my earlier degree of certainty about the Bronco's post season chances -- but I still say they have a shot at a wild card spot.

NFL sites gives its game ball to Ladell Betts, who totally had a great game. My offensive game ball goes, however, to Rock F'in Cartwright for some CRUCIAL first down carries and a 4.6 yard average (9 carries for 41 yards ... that is better that Betts was behind Portis), including a 17 yarder.

Defensive game ball goes to Lozo for his first half "executions" (1st quarter) punching the ball out of Buckhalter and setting up Doughty's fumble recovery (huge momentum shifter) and (2nd quarter) completely de-cleating LaMont Jordan on a kick off return (massive ignition of the home team crowd after the Skins had just tied it up).

Honorable mentions: Invisible touchdown machine (Todd Yoder) and Hunter the Passer. Prediction: defensive rookie of the week ... Orakpo ... the sack from lining up a MLB was lovely mayhem unbound.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tc2003 | November 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Campbell is still suck on timing routes. And still places the ball somewhat poorly on touch passes, with one very noteable exception on Sunday.

I'm not giving him a franchise tag. But still, credit for soldiering on and getting a w! That's two more than the worst teams in this league.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

even with all the extra time, Campbell was still really inaccurate on both long and short passes. However, with all the bad, he deserves some credit for making some nice plays while on the move.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 16, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The one thing I wish JC could do is connect on that deep ball...if we can sustain a semblance of a running game and be able to go deep every now and then it would really disrupt what defenses are trying to do against us, but I bet teams are willing to take their chances letting Santana get free deep b/c they don't think Campbell can make the throw...

Posted by: mattylight | November 16, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Coach Jim Zorn wisely has reduced the number of seven-step drops and long-developing patterns in the game plan each week, going with more slants and providing Campbell with other quick options.

JReid

Yeah, Zorn decided. I call BS on this. Sherman Lewis is more responsible based on the plays he is calling then Zorn is.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 10:49 AM

I call BS on both of you ... dcsween called this after about Week Four. On three step drops, Campbell can hit it. On five step drops, if the first guy isn't there, there is no time to re-set so the defense hits him. On seven step drops, the pocket has collapsed so he can only throw out of the pocket. The couple of times he stepped into the pocket yesterday, it collapsed (except for the time he got the grounding penalty).

Line was way better, but mostly b/c the play calling was less predictable, esp. that Betts (unlike Portis) got them set up to a lot more third and short yardage situations. Betts had jets after the second level.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

even with all the extra time, Campbell was still really inaccurate on both long and short passes. However, with all the bad, he deserves some credit for making some nice plays while on the move.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 16, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I said it last night, I've said it for two seasons:

and Campbell is still not without blame, he's not the worst QB in the league, I'd love him as a backup, but he is horribly inaccurate....he's just not good enough. He seems like an amazing person and great guy, somebody you'd love to have watch your kids or date your daughter, but he's not good enough as a franchise qb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 15, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Just catching up.....

I LOVE Haynesworth's mother's attutude. She prob got tired of the Washington Media (Shout out to 4-12) just like I had....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins gave him more of a chance than the Jets and Ravens did, and those organizations had more of a need at the position at the time." bwood

Wrong. The Jets had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington, one may have been injured I can't remember, and the Ravens had McClain and McGahee, and they were grooming a draft pick with Ray Rice, who just so happens to be tearing it up right now.

And Mason never went through a training camp with either of those teams. To expect him to come in and just take a dude's spot likely isn't going to happen.

Mason was cut from the Redskins once Randy Thomas went down for the season. He became expendable so they could get depth at other positions. He wasn't brought back because they wanted "a change of pace back" from Portis, which he isn't. But you know what, neither is Betts nor Cartwright.

So there. You pride yourself on knowing it all, so how about you go get your facts straight?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

wasn't going to bring it up sween.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Jets jettison Ahmad Carroll
Posted by Mike Florio on November 16, 2009 10:51 AM ET
The New York Jets have announced that the team has parted ways with cornerback Ahmad Carroll.

A first-round pick of the Packers in 2004, Carroll signed with the Jets as a free agent in 2008. Last year, he appeared in 16 games with no starts. This season, he played in six of nine games with no starts.

Carroll, who made 30 special-teams tackles in 22 games, had been inactive the past two weeks.

If Carroll clears waivers, he'll become an unrestricted free agent.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

go get him for depth and set CR22 inactive for a week or two.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"...Campbell...sucks on timing routes. And still places the ball somewhat poorly on touch passes, with one very noteable exception on Sunday..."

The real question is how does a guy with his arm strength lack the ability to throw the deep ball accurately and regularly?

If Campbell Chad Pennington's touch coupled with his arm strength, he'd be Tom Brady or Philip Rivers.

Right now, he's a guy who still looks like he's just not all together.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 16, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I just can't believe I get 6 free toppings on my Papa John's pizza today!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 16, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

(In the Over-Rated basketball type Chant)

Carlos Rooogers....

Carlos Rooogers....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 10:44 AM

Have they cut this bozo yet? Wow, just wow. Go read his quotes in the 'Carlos got benched' thread if you haven't yet. Cut him. Send the message...See ya. He's not gonna be here next year anyway...let's see what the rookie Barnes can do.

[Full disclosure...missed the game up until the play before Hunter the Punter went all QB on us. Way too nice of a day not to go to the park with my kid. (Cue the "you're not a real fan" crowd)].

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Catching some more.....HOw can someone be glad their wrong....*cough* JReid *cough*.....We predict things in hopes we are right, not wrong....so predicting us to not win a game wasn't a joke....it was his, JReid's, true assesement....Looks like he knows nothing about the NFC East....It ain't USC football....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you can say Campbell is inaccurate, if that were the case he would have a worse completion %.

He has a limited spectrum of throws which he is good at. He is great at the dumps, short stuff, the come back stuff. Obviously his favorite targets are TE's and guys out of the back field.

Campbell is the kind of guy who you need to play to his strengths.

If you made a list of the type of passes there are in the NFL, and lets just say there are 15 or so. Campbell is good at 8 of the 15.

Now McNabb would be a more inaccurate QB, he is very capable of making any type of pass, but he also has a tendency to completely miss a barn, throws at guys feet and stuff like that. He misses on completely random plays.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

jc missing moss on that pass, brings up what Moss said about JC, earlier this year, about how JC STILL doesn't know Moss....5 years in, and its still a mystery.....sigh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

>>>Coach Jim Zorn wisely has reduced the number of seven-step drops and long-developing patterns in the game plan each week, going with more slants and providing Campbell with other quick options. I fully expect Zorn to continue that trend as he installs the game plan for this week's encounter with the Dallas Cowboys at the new Cowboys Stadium.


If we look at what is DIFFERENT in the Redskins offensive approach.... it ain't Zorn. ShLewis is making a difference, and its a good one.

PS Damn, dude... gave up 55 at home to the smart kids??? Thats gotta sting. Are you a duck like Key now? He disowned the "men" of Troy on ESPN, LMAO.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, tricky, eh Moe?

I wonder if it's eyesight. Does he wear contacts? You'd be surprised how often that gets overlooked.

I have good eyesight in both eyes individually, but depending on which day you catch me they focus at different intervals.

Failing that, I would think oh, about 30 days of 'catch' with the pertinent receivers could help. And maybe some Snyder/Cruise/Dyanetics based meditation excorcises could help.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I have been on JC's case all year. I just don't think he is an NFL QB, but I will not say anything bad about his play yesterday execpt for his overthrowing a wide open Santana, and missing Yoder wide open over the middle, throwing it away and getting the grounding call. Fortunately Hunter Smith bailed him out on the fake punt. Other than that I thought he played a lot better than he has. Did anyone else notice the difference in quickness between Betts and Portis? keep resting CP, we don't want you to rush yourself. All in all it was a great day, Skins win and Romo throws a late pick to seal the Cowchips fate.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | November 16, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

As nice as the win was, as nice as it was to watch the team have success in the running game, we still have a long way to go. Campbell can't hit on deep balls, we still need a young RB (Betts is 30 Rock is 31) Levi was a good pickup, but we still need to draft 2 Tackles. I think we go 5-11 maybe 6-10. I hope we get a shot to grab one of the elite tackles in the first round. If not take the best RB we can.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 16, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Other good news about that game ... Fletcher only had ONE tackle (remember that if the MLB needs to make too many tackles, its a bad sign for the line) ... and Moss actually caught two of the four throws that hit his hands.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Just wanted to say that I was wrong all along... Dan Snyder is a wonderful owner, Vinny Cerrato is totally underrated as a GM, no changes are needed at Redskins Park. Ha Ha! (Actually I am very happy for the players!)

Posted by: 1of9000 | November 16, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

So what is it, either the Sherm Lewis hire was either a good hire or it isn't.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 9:58 AM


Bad hire considering the circumstances. Just being better than Zorn is hardly a good standard...there's nowhere to go but up if that's the only measuring stick you're using.

And what I said was, "Pretty pitiful that it took pulling a 67 year-old coach out of retirement to get this team to use its 2nd rounders from last year and to play to the strengths of the players on the roster." I don't see where you would think I said Sherm was a good hire in that remark.


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 10:19 AM

But Brownwood, just being better than Zorn might be all it takes to make this a successfull Team.

How quickly we forget that this Redskin Team was never considered to be as bad as Zorn has coached it.

Our Defense was and still is one of the best in the League. It is just that Zorn has done such a bad job on the Offensive side, it has made us look terrible.

However, the simple hire of the Bingo Caller, and a lot of you and I'm not accusing you of this, disrepected Sherman Lewis, essentially took control of the Offense away from Zorn.

If Zorn dosen't screw it up, The Bingo Caller could save his job.

Getting Sherman Lewis, whomever idea it was might turn out to be a stroke of genius, especially if they do not allow Zorn to make major decisions with the offense, like putting Portis back as the starter.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

ZardsFan1 & zjfr2,
I think Campbell has become less accurate on deep passes since Zorn started coaching him. Zorn made changes to his mechanics that required him to throw the ball an entirely different way: staying lower in his stance, shortening his release (debatable is this really took, but sometimes you can see him pull it in), and things like that. Any time you monkey with the mechanics of a QB, you take a risk of removing a key component of their mechanics that got them there in the first place. I think a little of this has happened to Campbell.

I'll say this as well. I think the coaches have chopped up the playbook for certain players in certain situations, meaning everybody doesn't practice the same plays. This could mean that some of the receivers are not actually practicing with Campbell during the week. This could affect timing and rapport. I am not opposed to what they are doing, because they seem to be getting a lot more accomplished on offense - probably through getting the young receivers more reps in practice, and I am not making excuses for Campbell, but I am just trying to rationalize what I am seeing on the field.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

For those who missed the quotes from 10 thumbs...:

"I was done for the game," Rogers said afterward. "I don't know if it's for the year, or what."

"I gave up the first one," Rogers said. "It was a double-move. After that I didn't play no more. After that, it was on whoever it was. I really didn't pay attention."

"It's nothing new to me," Rogers said. "Anything that happens around here ain't nothing new to me. I went through it last year. I was benched after the first half of the season I had. ... "I didn't really worry about it, and I'm not really going to think about it. I ain't even going to think about no future here."


send him home TODAY....can't win with losers like this...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

By the way Brownwood26, nice breakdown of my post a few blogs back.

I think you unwittingly put more value to the points being made without realizing that you really were not in disagreance. Damn good breakdown.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I just can't believe I get 6 free toppings on my Papa John's pizza today!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 16, 2009 11:11 AM

Double cheese, quadruple onions please.

Accuracy is a two way street. If a ball hits Santana Moss in the hands, he has an obligation to bring the ball in. Uncaught catchable passes are not strikes against the QB's accuracy. Moss has had a problem with pulling in balls that touch his hands all season.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

But Brownwood, just being better than Zorn might be all it takes to make this a successfull Team.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 10:54 AM


Not true.

Gibbs 2.0 is better than Zorn. Marty is better than Zorn. Hell, even Norv is better than Zorn. And none of those guys had any sustained success here.

Zorn is bad, everyone but Zorn knows that. But Sherm is a band-aid on a gunshot wound. This team needs to be rebuilt and only then will REAL change come.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Dallas loss was the dessert I needed.

Sorry Mrs. Shuttle! hehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

jc missing moss on that pass, brings up what Moss said about JC, earlier this year, about how JC STILL doesn't know Moss....5 years in, and its still a mystery.....sigh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:15 AM

What happened? Was Santana open deep, and JC overthrew/underthrew/checked down again?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I really don't know how anyone could have neglected to comment/giggle like a child on Andre Carter's comment from a few posts back, talking about Orakpo: "I think he had 1 1/2 and I had 1 1/2," Carter said. "I always tell him, 'Man you need to stop jumping on my sack,' and he always says the same thing."


Teehee.

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 16, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Wrong. The Jets had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington, one may have been injured I can't remember..

You pride yourself on knowing it all, so how about you go get your facts straight?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 11:07 AM


Wow, Red. On that note, I'll let you quit while you're behind.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

JC 9 of 9 193 yrds in the Second Half.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 16, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

He has a limited spectrum of throws which he is good at. He is great at the dumps, short stuff, the come back stuff. Obviously his favorite targets are TE's and guys out of the back field.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

don't know if you watched yesterday but he missed a wide open Fred Davis 3 times, threw one swing pass that Betts made an incredible finger tip catch on and another that he couldn't get too, missed a wide open Moss for 6, missed moss on a slant for an easy first down, threw behind a wide open Kelly who made the catch, missed a wide open Yoder for a TD, made a wide open Yoder have to make a diving catch for the TD. Campbell isn't accurate, period, he makes our receivers work way harder then they should, he week in and week out misses basic throws.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Tough weekend for JReid. USC gets 55 hung on them. 55! Stanford put a dm Mutombo on you fools!!!

Then the skins win in the face of his 20-10 prediction.

It is a huge indictment on Vinny that he took so long to get Levi in here, and bad on the coaching staff that it took a Mike Williams injury to get him on the field. Still need to make structural changes to the FO and draft a lineman Round 1, but maybe our personnel situation isn't as bad as feared.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I didn't get to watch, and I didn't even pay attention to the game yesterday. Played in an online tourney and did not to bad, cashed.

Anyway, how much time did ARE get on offense yesterday? What was the punt return mix? Did Marko get on the field? Make any plays? TIA.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm certainly not going to defend CR22's post-pull statements, but he was only one half to blame for that Marshall TD ... the other one was on Hall (and, to a less extent, Landry). Jerry Gray needs to figure out how to re-gruntled Rogers mentally ... hopefully, one in-game suspension will get Rogers re-focused. Smoot did, however, have a huge game. Kareem Moore also stepped up nicely.

"Execution" happens when a few guys grab the momentum at the right time (see Lozo, Cartwright yesterday) ... its called swagger ... good begets better ... and injuries get avoided.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

More catching up.....Re: This Post...

"What does it all mean? Well, despite the offensive line's best performance of the season in the victory, the Redskins still have major talent and depth issues with that unit.
"

But then we read....

"I'm not predicting a playoff run, but at least the group now appears to have a bit of life.
"

How can we have 'life' with this 'talent'?? LMFAO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What bothers me, beaner, is that he and Soup were teammates. Does he also have weird attitude porblems? I have been somewhat confused by Soup's reaction to criticism.

I don't think Ronnie Brown has been trouble in Miamuh. How about Cadillac? Has he been head-casey at all?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 16, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm very tired of seeing Campbell overthrow Santana Moss when he's beaten his man by 3-5 yards. He only hits on 1 of every ten of those. Frustrating to watch.

Posted by: dfbovey | November 16, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Good game for the skins. They controlled the line of scrimmage and wore the Broncos out in the second half.

Campbell is a hard QB to pin down in terms of performance. He made some very nice plays where the pocket was collapsing and he had to improvise, and had some very accurate passes...but he also missed some big plays, namely the Moss overthrow and the Yoder pattern down the middle of the field that was a sure TD. Overall, if you give him some time, you can win some games with him...can you compete for a SuperBowl? I just don't know...

Portis showed me something by rooting on his team like a fanatic. At least he really cares about the team winning...which is more than I can say for Rogers, who apparently has his bags packed. I say, don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out, "double move".

Landry needs to wake up. Why would he bite on an underneath route when Marshall is running a streak right his way? He's their playmaker - GET ON HIM. Just dumb. Get it together, 30.

Betts is the right guy for this offense right now. No dancing, just straight into the holes. This O-line isn't good enough to hold blocks while a RB picks his way, so it is a good fit. Portis needs to sit in the interest of chemistry. If he is as emphatic a teammate as he appeared on the sideline, he'll get that.

Haynesworth just makes everyone around him better. I'll deal with the lay downs, and on field injury drama.

Orakpo just gets better and better - as does McIntosh.

The Redskins would have won this game, Orton or no Orton. They controlled the clock in the second half by running the football, and Orton can't control that. Also, aside from two passes that..ahem...even a punter could hit, how consistent were the Broncos on O? If anything, McDaniels should have run it more, Moreno can play.


Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 16, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

there's a guy named fred and he's got a pair of slacks... ouhhh, fred's got slacks! really quite sharp, but they're tight around the waist-- ouhh, fred's got slacks on the boulevard

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Coach Jim Zorn wisely has reduced the number of seven-step drops and long-developing patterns in the game plan each week, going with more slants and providing Campbell with other quick options. I fully expect Zorn to continue that trend as he installs the game plan for this week's encounter with the Dallas Cowboys at the new Cowboys Stadium.

Mr. Mayor, I don't know how you are attributing all these changes in the offense to Zorn. Dosen't the play call also have a lot to do with this.

Is Lewis play calling during practice, or does he just play call in the booth on Sunday?

My sense is he works on play calling during practice with the O-Team and all these changes comes directly as a result of it.

I guess you have to give the credit to the HC, since he is the head coach.

Or, am I just flat out in left field on this.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm certainly not going to defend CR22's post-pull statements, but he was only one half to blame for that Marshall TD

dc, he got double moved, and stopped...he just stopped, while BM ran down the field...

Hall got beat as well, but Hall makes interceptions....Rogers gets beat, and makes excuses....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Campbell missed a wide open free running Yoder for another 6 when he got called for Intentional Grounding. Yoder was all alone, and JC didn't even look his way. If he hits that one and the one to Moss we got 41. JC17 is a liability at the postion and we will never be as good as we could be with him in there. The sad thing is I don't think we can do any better in th offseason. One more year of him I am sad to say. Maybe if the line is upgraded he could prove to be better but thats a big if.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 16, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Mistyped that: Marshall TD #1 ==> Rogers, Marshall TD #2 ==> Hall.

Also, welcome to RB Quinton Ganther. Though stuffed on his first Skins' carry, he busted for 18 yards on his first Skins' reception. Ganther = roster spot locked. [btw, did I mention that I'm OK with Portis to IR?]

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

fred's slacks is a winner

Posted by: TDawg1 | November 16, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

[Full disclosure...missed the game up until the play before Hunter the Punter went all QB on us. Way too nice of a day not to go to the park with my kid. (Cue the "you're not a real fan" crowd)].

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 11:11 AM

I missed the whole the game save for the final 2 mins when we kicked a field goal....So you KNOW I am not a real fan!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

[Rogers] got double moved, and stopped ... he just stopped, ....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:32 AM

... which is why he got pulled from the game.

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

the play where lo-alex caused the fumble, 30 missed a tackle....I mean, its getting to the point now where its almost laughable...

Up here, Mondays after pats games, they have TBrady on the radio, and he has gone on record at how when they watch film after a game, win or lose, BBelicheck tears stuff up when it comes to mistakes, Brady says guys get 'mf'ed' by the coach...

when the team watches film, and they see carlos suck week, after week, does anyone on the coaching staff light this guy up??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

[Full disclosure...missed the game up until the play before Hunter the Punter went all QB on us. Way too nice of a day not to go to the park with my kid. (Cue the "you're not a real fan" crowd)].

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 11:11 AM

I missed the whole the game save for the final 2 mins when we kicked a field goal ... So you KNOW I am not a real fan!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:33 AM

Good thing there are people to "phone it in" when the wives have us "taken out of the game."

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Good news for Orakpo against Dallas: their starting right tackle is out. Time for Orakpo to crank up the sack machine. Maybe they will let him play in the dirt the entire game... Who wants to see Romo get dusted?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 16, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

... which is why he got pulled from the game.

dc read his quotes...not enough, he needs to get cut today...time to move on, he's mailing it in, lets get Barnes some reps, and lets get Tryon more time...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

jc missing moss on that pass, brings up what Moss said about JC, earlier this year, about how JC STILL doesn't know Moss....5 years in, and its still a mystery.....sigh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:15 AM


Here's hoping that this game makes 1 of the 4 NFLN Replay Games......My idiot a$$ for got to record the game......But it has to be one of the best 4 games....

Redskins/Broncos
Jags/Jets
NE/Colts
Cincy/Steelers ??? (Maybe but was snooze)

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

They might play Philly/SD. Just a wag...but my cable company is too f'ing lame to have NFLN.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Ya full disclosure, I was stuck up in Philly for a few family things.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 16, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Campbell missed a wide open free running Yoder for another 6 when he got called for Intentional Grounding. Yoder was all alone, and JC didn't even look his way.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 16, 2009 11:32 AM

That's the thing. JC only looked to the right on that play all the while pumping the ball. All it would have taken was a peak to the left and he would have seen that Yoder was wide open all the way to the goal line. JC lacks vision.

JC, like Brunell before him can make the short throws- places the ball in a catchable position- although it would be nice to see him hit receiver in stride on those throws. Because they both relied heavily on those short throws, their completion % looks good.

On medium and long throws JC is inaccurate. Could be the changes to his mechanics, but either way, he is leaving points on the field.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey bwood, how about instead of being a jerk-off wannabe wise ass, why don't you try proving where I'm wrong?

But that just isn't in you, I guess.

How about I just quit before I spas out? I already don't like where this is heading. You're beginning to piss me off. I can tolerate arguing, but a condescending d-bag jackass, well that's a whole 'nother thing...

***Now I think he said the red ones make me drowsy, and the blue ones are day strength or something like that...***

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Actually the second BM TD could have been on the Saftey, DH never moved with him like he had the deep coverage. I would have to know more before pinning that on Hall.

But Rogers got burnt on a double move as usual.

ARE is a flat out bum on punt returns he should not be back there ever again.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 16, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

psp, usually carries the torch for Rogers....wonder what his thoughts on this are??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Good thing there are people to "phone it in" when the wives have us "taken out of the game."

Posted by: dcsween | November 16, 2009 11:37 AM


Yes....Thanks for the call! It was a very pleasent surprise (Hunter QB pass opposite end....looked exactly like you explained it on TV)...

I know I am known as a DHall defender, but I have to say that 2nd TD (I saw on the CBS Post Game Show) pass was on FS Smooooot who bite on the underneath TE crossing pattern. I couldn't tell, though, what DHall's responsibilty was, but it appeared he was playing a way where he knew he had 'over the top' coverage help.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, on the second BM TD, LL gambled that the play was going to a receiver (rb?) going across the middle. Hall looked like he was relying on LL to protect the deep pass. Was a bad decision on LL because if he would have stayed back, then most likely a pass to BM or the underneath guy keep both receivers in front of him. Instead, BM blew by Hall and Smoot was left to chase from the other side of the field.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

or...What Flounder said...

But yeah, DHall appeared to NOT have deep coverage in on that 2nd BMarshall Pass. Watch Smoooot bite like he was Carlos Rogers on that play......

Speaking of Carlos Rogers.....well....I save it for later......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

4th, I thought it was on Smoot as well, but it was definitely LL who bit on the crossing route.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

That was Smoooot playing FS on that play....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

(In the Over-Rated basketball type Chant)

Carlos Rooogers....

Carlos Rooogers....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Where is he rated, exactly? Because people love to say a guy is "over-rated" because it sounds like they are saying something, but who exactly is doing this over-rating.

On Snyder's team a lot of guys are over paid, but that's Snyder's fault.

keep dogging the team all week after a victory, and you can't play on Sunday - don't practice don't play

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Curz....The showd it on the CBS post game....(I didn't see your 11:53 post before i posted a min later...)

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

we had the #1 RATED passing defense in the league going into the game, that's based on passing yards allowed (that is a statistic). Rodgers is a big part of that, you bums can throw him under the bus. Just put him on the list of guys that you throw under the bus

rodgers, campbell, portis, etc, etc.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Where is he rated, exactly? Because people love to say a guy is "over-rated" because it sounds like they are saying something, but who exactly is doing this over-rating.

On Snyder's team a lot of guys are over paid, but that's Snyder's fault.

keep dogging the team all week after a victory, and you can't play on Sunday - don't practice don't play

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 11:55 AM

You're correct. But, unfortunetly, I am not the best person to answer this question.

PSP.....calling PSP....

(All in jest PSP....All in jest)

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

For all the fans who missed the game Sunday, do yourselves a favor and miss the next game. As a matter of fact if they win the next game, just keep on missing them until they lose.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Red, arguing about a practice squad rb is beneath you. Go get yourself an old RE pa tape, crank it up, and relax.

Posted by: mack1 | November 16, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

win as a team lose as a team, everyone played well enough win.

anyone see peyton manning's horribly thrown interceptions? It's all a part of the game of football.

know it, love it, live it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

win as a team lose as a team, everyone played well enough win.

===============

Not Rogers. He played terrible and got benched. Then the rest of the team went out and won.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

anyone see the Patriots make that horrible 4th down decision? that's the best organization in the league making a bush league mistake, that's football

god bless america

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

pabrian, comparing Los inability to cover a receiver, to Peyton throwing an INT, is literally the dumbest thing ever on RI...congrats on setting the record....WOW...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Ganther had a nice catch and run also. The replay showed that Dawkins nearly got his helmet knocked off making the tackle. Nice to see someone laying the wood to that guy.

Posted by: skinswest | November 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

4th, I thought it was on Smoot as well, but it was definitely LL who bit on the crossing route.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was Doughty...doesn't matter. We have the #1 rated pass defense in the NFL so it's cool that we give up a 60 TD or 2 every week, right pabrian?

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

If truly a change in the mechanics has caused JC to be less accurate, that is truly a WTF for me.

If that is really true then both Zorn and Campbell need to be taken out back to the woodshed for a beatdown.

JC should know this and let the coach know so it can be corrected or viceversa.

They both are at fault, if it is the case and neither one has tried to correct it.

At the beginning when Zorn came in and it was widely reported how he was working with Campbell to get his mechanics in gear for the WCO.

Low and behold if it finally comes to fruition that Zorn did not WTF he was doing and he has made JC worse off mechanically than he actually was.

Gag me with a maggott.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

win as a team lose as a team, everyone played well enough win.

===============

Not Rogers. He played terrible and got benched. Then the rest of the team went out and won.

Posted by: Curzon417

He made a mistake he got benched and the TEAM overcame the mistake, someone else got burnt later, you can't bench everyone.

rodgers won the game just like anthony montgomery (who hasn't played a single snap all year) won the game.

If you don't get this, you don't get it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey I like debating up here about different things. People always think that I get ill for no reason, well when you're arguing with self-centered jag-offs, sometimes it brings out another side.

That bastard still never answered my questions anyway. Way to take the high road there, 2-6.

When you feel you're right, you wanna argue all the damn day. But let some one bring some substantial FACTS or reasoning to the argument that counters you bs, and you shut the f*** up and shell the f*** up.

Good for you.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Is pabrian really periculum caught in an alternate universe?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Naw Red....They didn't win because I wasn't watching.....Neva Eva...

I WAS THERE WHEN....

* (Watchiing) It was 12:45 am and WE were down by 13 against Dallas with under 5 mins left.

* At the game when Dallas drove in for the winning FG and Troy Vincent blocked that kick and ST21 zig zaged his way to put us in position to win with no time left

* (Watched) all 5/6 game winning streaks in '05 and '06 to get us in the playoffs.

* (Watched) In 1988 when we was down by 10 in the 1st QTR, and Doug Williams exploded in the 2nd and Timmy Smith ran through holes bigger than ones in Pop Warner.

Don't give me that B.S.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

4th, I thought it was on Smoot as well, but it was definitely LL who bit on the crossing route.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was Doughty...doesn't matter. We have the #1 rated pass defense in the NFL so it's cool that we give up a 60 TD or 2 every week, right pabrian?

Posted by: Original_etrod |

if we win then YES, give up 1,000 yards a week if you win. it's football there are great athlete's on both sides of the ball every game every play. either you love and understand the game or you don't

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey bwood, how about instead of being a jerk-off wannabe wise ass, why don't you try proving where I'm wrong?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 11:46 AM


Wow, do you punch your mother with that mouth?

And I have pointed out where you're wrong, you just don't like the answer.

So agree to disagree, dude. No need to blow out an artery over it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

jim "pumpkin puss" zorn did change the mechanics of campbell (wanting him to imitate a mediocre arm qb like he was)some-one also wrote the same thing. I mentioned this before and so did others. this is OVER-COACHING stop trying to change people into your likeness!! when gibbs drafted campbell he said he is a strong armed qb and very accurate(just read some of the old archives from 2005)credit goes to the offensive turn around to sherm lewis a real play caller, not a soft bumbling,weakling like "pumpkin puss". adjust to the personnel you have, let the young players earn their checks and grow, run downhill.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

bizarro-periculum

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

He made a mistake he got benched and the TEAM overcame the mistake, someone else got burnt later, you can't bench everyone.

rodgers won the game just like anthony montgomery (who hasn't played a single snap all year) won the game.

If you don't get this, you don't get it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:06 PM

When I am wrong, I step up and say it. Last night I posted that I was one calling to have Betts and Rock let go.

But this?? Whateves...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The OL played well, but did we not also see JC unload the ball finally under duress and quickly on that first drive, so it must be a combination of both.

It kills me that Theisman was still trying to give Cerrato kudos, made me sick.

Interested to see what Zorn has to say about the game during his presser.

Hail Skins! I want to hear if Rogers will be benched for the season or if Portis will go on the IR? I would not mind seeing what Barnes could do, NOW!

A win is a win and like everyone else here, it put a huge smile on my face and the first time I could go to Ruth Chris for a victory steak.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Dang...etrod threw a wrench in the game....I remember seeing the #7, I thought it was 27, but it could have very well been 37.....will check that out later...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

if we win then YES, give up 1,000 yards a week if you win. it's football there are great athlete's on both sides of the ball every game every play. either you love and understand the game or you don't

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

And you are aware that we are 3-6?

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

How about I just quit before I spas out? I already don't like where this is heading. You're beginning to piss me off. I can tolerate arguing, but a condescending d-bag jackass, well that's a whole 'nother thing...

-----

Gee, we are all cowering over your possible spas. Go ahead and let loose, Internet Tough Guy.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Beans, you gotta take whatever the dude pabrian says and just ignore it completely.

Sort of lost be with blaming JC backlash from the fans is because he's black, then called Jurgensen a racist.

Sorry, not putting a whole lotta stock in homie's words.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is the #1 ranked QB in the NFL in the statistic of 1st down %, Flacco has a chance to over take him tonight.

I'm going to go with screw flacco

we won everyone! let's enjoy it while we can.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

if we win then YES, give up 1,000 yards a week if you win. it's football there are great athlete's on both sides of the ball every game every play. either you love and understand the game or you don't

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

And you are aware that we are 3-6?

Posted by: Original_etrod

are you aware that we won yesterday or did you just see rodgers get burnt?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand coverages as much as others on here, but was D. Hall not responsible for that second TD to B. Marshall or was that a zone coverage that he was supposed to pass on to Moore or whomever? Not sure...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Boys, boys!

We won yesterday! How about we enjoy it, and then get back to the verbal sparring / abuse tomorrow?

Hip, Hip, Hooray!!!

Posted by: mattylight | November 16, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

i didn't call adolf a racist I just asked if anyone thought he wa a rcist, because he LOVED Frerotte and he doesn't like Campbell, and that doesn't add up

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Jeebus, it READS like an argument with my toddler SOUNDS.
[all caps in lieu of italics...by the way, how DOES one do italics on one of these internets machines?]

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about your trip down 'Skins memory lane, 4th.

Different season, different team, different karma...

Just go watch the PBA or some infomercials during the Redskins game until the lose.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

someone was responsible for that 2nd BM TD, and that guy didn't get benched, you can't bench everyone.

Horton got benched earlier in the year, as did Rhino a couple times, Campbell once, now Rodgers

it's part of the game

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

So JR, I guess your prediction of no more wins this season is now trash can worthy. I am thankful for that. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: dlong1 | November 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

i didn't call adolf a racist I just asked if anyone thought he wa a rcist, because he LOVED Frerotte and he doesn't like Campbell, and that doesn't add up

Posted by: pabrian2003


Congrats on harnessing your inner FOX News.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Ok,


It's DALLAS WEEK. So let's start things off right:


F DALLAS.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Jeebus, it READS like an argument with my toddler SOUNDS.
[all caps in lieu of italics...by the way, how DOES one do italics on one of these internets machines?]

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse


http://www.tizag.com/htmlT/htmlitalic.php

Most websites filter certain html tags so most of them will not work but the simple ones like bold, italics, and underline should work.

I'd be willing to bet the img tag and the anchor tag are filtered here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Trying to listen to the Zorn presser, but am getting no sound. Anyone out there listening? can you let us know what is being said? TIA.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I just love how so many fans are singing Hallelujah that the Redskins beat this years version of the 2008 Redskins. Go ahead and cheer you are digging your own graves. With every victory the Redskins luck into the likelihood that Snyder brushes off the bad season on injuries, retains Cerrato and more of the same ol same ol. If Orton doesn't go down the Redskins get smoked. Wow, we beat a team who's back up QB hadn't thrown a pass in 3 seasons. I wouldn't be too excited but hey if you want Cerrato and the gang for the foreseeable future more power to you. We just hosed our shot at a front office overhaul AND top draft pick. We just dropped 4 spots in the draft. Way to go stupid Redskins!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

zorn's press conference is on, sure doesnt sound like we won

if portis is healthy, sounds like he plans on starting/ playing him...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

[Full disclosure...missed the game up until the play before Hunter the Punter went all QB on us. Way too nice of a day not to go to the park with my kid. (Cue the "you're not a real fan" crowd)].

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 11:11 AM

I missed the whole the game save for the final 2 mins when we kicked a field goal....So you KNOW I am not a real fan!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 11:33 AM |

...and I've got a newborn just home Thursday so I stayed home to help the wifey so I only caught it online on NFL.com so of course I, too, am not a real fan. But the baby certainly is, check out his hospital pictures:

http://our365.com/NewbornPortraits/BabyDetail.aspx?birthid=f766d2c4-4f52-4e9b-922f-f36e163a96d9&babyid=5429b8a9-5c9d-4f5e-9a19-3dd0862fcefa

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 16, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Alright Red....Just call me at your moms house when the game is finished. We promise not to turn on any TVs during those 4 hours. Scouts honor.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

doesnt want portis not to play, b/c betts had such a great game, just b/c he got a concussion...Portis is an excellent runner and no reason to believe that he cant get through the line of scrimmage when he plays, he wont play if he doesnt practice all week...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

italics test

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

congrats scampbell1975!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

damn zorn...i wont use this push Portis to get back and play harder, i dont do that...retard

now talking about how he wants BMW back and to play.

like levi, he was aggressive, good pass protection, says Rino played well, but has not studied him that much (HELLO, what do you do)

he thought betts did great, but does not want Portis to lose his job, just b/c he got a concussion and Betts played well...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Portis has seen better days. May be time to take the ol boy behind the shed and put one between his eyes.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Congrats scampbell1975! Dude had all types of facial ezpressions on his 1st day!

I got one due basically at any time between now and next week....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 16, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

reading peebrain's comments are hilarious....its hard to imagine being as stupid a fan as that, Larry Michael even thinks he's silly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Link (new window)

open link in new window test

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey early congrats to you too 4th! They sure are a blessing. And he got his first win too!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

talking about Rogers game and he let someone behind him, but he is "not going to hold Blache's feet to the fire if Rogers is going to start or not, but that we have people behind him right now that played well." Praising smoot, talking about Rogers getting beat several times on the double move, had to make the move...Says, Rogers is not done with the Skins, they will discuss in players meetings and get him back on track, thought maybe Rogers needed a rest and reset and take a breather...I wish you could press's questions.

Complaining about JC, saying he missed several things, mainly the Moss overthrow, but felt he missed more than one pass, praising him, but tempered praise.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh hellz to the yeah. [To self]: Don't fear the computer...the computer is your friend>

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

now talking about how he wants BMW back and to play.

like levi, he was aggressive, good pass protection, says Rino played well, but has not studied him that much (HELLO, what do you do)

Laughable...absolutely laughable...how is Rhino supposed to develop when they keep pulling the rug out from under him....

sorry, you until a new coach gets in here, we have no idea if the 2008 class can play or not....this current coach is galactically stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

just love how so many fans are singing Hallelujah that the Redskins beat this years version of the 2008 Redskins. Go ahead and cheer you are digging your own graves. With every victory the Redskins luck into the likelihood that Snyder brushes off the bad season on injuries, retains Cerrato and more of the same ol same ol. If Orton doesn't go down the Redskins get smoked. Wow, we beat a team who's back up QB hadn't thrown a pass in 3 seasons. I wouldn't be too excited but hey if you want Cerrato and the gang for the foreseeable future more power to you. We just hosed our shot at a front office overhaul AND top draft pick. We just dropped 4 spots in the draft. Way to go stupid Redskins!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

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I don't know what's worse, a fan that roots for its team to lose or that the same fan actually gets his moronic comment put in the Washington Post.

If you think they would have been blown out because Kyle "Brady" Orton was in the game, it proves you have little knowledge of how the game works.

Tell me wise one, how will Kyle "Manning" Orton blow the Redskins away if he is on the field for 8-10 minutes for the second half? The Redskins ran the ball down Denver's throat, and held the ball most of both quarters. To boot, I doubt Kyle "Brees" Orton was going to get many other looks like he saw on the two BM plays, the only real plays the B's made all game.

Finally, please give it a rest with the "you are all fools" BS. Almost everyone here is aware the Redskins are not very good at this point. We are enjoying a rare win, and hoping to watch some football worth watching in the future. Rooting for them to lose means you might as well root for the Ravens. In addition, it is really stupid anyways - if they go 6-10, they'll draft around 10. If they go 4-12, they'll draft around 4-5. 10 is still high enough to get an outstanding player, without throwing TWICE the bonus money they would throw at the 4-5 spot.

So not only are you a major downer, your points are all wrong anyways.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

thanks mhartz1.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I know right...

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Alright Red....Just call me at your moms house when the game is finished. We promise not to turn on any TVs during those 4 hours. Scouts honor.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Oh, really cute, 4th. My pops might have something to say about that.

And I can't dial out from your Sister's house. So I'll hit you on the cell she hooked me up with.

Cool?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Clay felt congratulations on the new arrival scamp.

That's awesome... Boy or girl?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

OK, italics will take some practice.

beep beep

Posted by: 4-12 | November 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Cool, 4th!

We're expecting a baby girl in late December.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

quite welcome Curzon...def sounds that if Portis is healthy he is playing, which Talk Radio is basically saying that the team is going to be pissed...Theisman stated that lots of players, basically came out when Portis got hurt that he was the one holding this team back, with not practicing and really giving the OL issues, which is why he always runs into their backs and legs, cuz he is not used to the blocking scheme...interesting insight, Theisman hinted that it was London Fletcher that said it, OUCH.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

4-12, 4th, I didn't watch it either...didn't block off 3-4 hours two weeks in a row for the first time in 20 plus years and it felt good. Free at last!!!! plan to do the same next week especially if it's nice outside.

Btw...why is Chris simms still in the league??!? And who actually thought mike nolan was a good d coord? How does he keep getting gigs?

Lol at "double move..."

To suggest that this offensive adjustment is zorns is incompetence by this reporter

kanehoe, where do you play? Ps or ft? I'm on ps but thinking about switching to ft.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn just said in his Presser that Portis would not lose his job because of injury.

Well, uh, uh, what about performance, Zorn?

Is there any hope for this Man?

Can anybody justify his position?

I know it is common for players to retain there starting role upon returning from injury, but bbbuutt' but but, Clinton wasn't doing nothing.

Geez.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

At this point I'd rather root for the Ravens they know how to build a proven winner and have actually won a super Bowl in the last 10 years. The Skins have been doormats for 18 seasons give or take. Orton placed the balls perfectly to Marshall twice in the 1st half and could have continued to exploit that giant hole in the secondary. While the Redskins were twice caught pointing the finger at each other. Also with all the weak teams in the NFL this season when the Redskins finish at 4-12 (I can only realistically predict one more victory against the Raiders) that will probably drop us to anywhere from 10 - 12 and by then all the franchise changing players will be gone, oh and the money doesn't matter cuz next year will be uncapped and the deal can be front loaded for the one season and spread out at a reasonable amount over the remaining years of the deal.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Sherman are you from Texas by chance?

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

psp, usually carries the torch for Rogers....wonder what his thoughts on this are??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Psp has disappeared...along with CR22's career.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | November 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,
I'm on FT.
Kbay

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

JC is nothing more than a "Heath Shuler". Great in college but the pro game is just too much for him. Enough wasting time, he has no leadership and no "fire" and no vision of the field. Let Collins finish the season and get Colt Brennan ready for next year with a much better O Line. With a Rivers type QB, D Thomas & M Kelly would be doing great this year (similar to McNabb w his young guys) and the O would be putting up points. We reallisticly have been in every game this year and should have won them all ! Hell, if Jason does'nt fumble in the Giants game ?. . . I was at the Lions game and it was the most embarrassing Redskins fan moment ever ! All I could say was, at least we have the hottest cheerleaders in the league ! The Lions don't even have any, they use the local high school's girls. Anyway, yes we do need front office changes badly, but look arouind the league at what a great QB can do for a team, Brett ? Rivers ? Manning ? Brady ? McNabb ? Warner ? . . . all gunslingers ! That's what we need and have needed so badly for so so long ! Period ! Great teams rally around a great QB and the Redskins need one very badly !
Maybe Snyder should hire Tony Dungy as the GM and let him run all football operations and see what happens.

Posted by: royboyskinsfan1 | November 16, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Coach Jim Zorn wisely has reduced the number of seven-step drops and long-developing patterns in the game plan each week, going with more slants and providing Campbell with other quick options.

JReid

Yeah, Zorn decided. I call BS on this. Sherman Lewis is more responsible based on the plays he is calling then Zorn is.

Posted by: Curzon417


JReid is so full of sh!t it ridiculous...everyone knows that the offense has improved since the "New Set of Eyes" took over...Sherm L. installs the passing game plan each week, that was mention the day he took over.. JReid needs to quit his job so we can get someone who actually reports...Go back to SoCal JReid.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 16, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I like Campbell a lot. I don't think they should have been looking for a QB in the off season (should have maybe grabbed Garcia, though), and I hope he's here at a discounted rate next year, really.

But,

He's maddeningly inaccurate on easy stuff sometimes. Both TDs to Yoder show really what great hands and feet Yoder has. Campbell can get better on some of these throws though, with consistency of protection, repetition of plays, etc. He can get better at them.

But, I hear ya. Scary inaccurate at times for no reason.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 17, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

OH, and learn to slide, man.

C'mon. You're a Professional. Someone hire a baseball coach for a week to work with this guy.

It's really not that hard. Yeah, sometimes you "skin" your rear or your hip and get a raspberry which lingers for weeks, but it's really better than a concussion or fumble.

Slide, man!

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 17, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

As for Carlos, what is he thinking and who is giving him advice ? How much does he think a db is worth that can't cover anybody, can't catch a pic, and quits on his team ? Not too smart.

Posted by: royboyskinsfan1 | November 17, 2009 5:29 AM | Report abuse

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