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Orakpo Avoids the 'Sucker Route'

Rookie defensive end/linebacker Brian Orakpo knows a "sucker route" when he sees one. At least that's what he tells linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti.

"Just not biting on everything, that's the toughest part," Orakpo said about playing in coverage. "You see stuff in front of you going on, but what K.O. calls it is a sucker route.

"There's something right behind you. Don't take that sucker route and try to bite it and [then] the quarterback throws it right over your back. You got to be aware."

He's had a solid start after missing the first day of training camp. In this morning's practice, he blew past offensive lineman Chris Samuels on one play. An outstanding career as a hand-down rush end at the University of Texas, Orakpo is undergoing a conversion process with the Skins. Washington plans to use Orakpo in a hybrid role, having him play strong-side linebacker on first and second down and rush the passer on third down from an end spot. Orakpo, however, had little experience as a linebacker in college. "In the Big 12, we pass so much, and they needed me to rush," Orakpo said.

And although Orakpo has impressed coaches with his ability to grasp things quickly, the Skins are putting a lot on his shoulders. The Skins, however, used many three-safety alignments last season, so Orakpo likely would not be on the field in those situations. But some coverage would be part of the job.

"When you get a rookie in general, you just start from the bottom floor as if they don't know anything," Olivadotti said. "Now, most guys come in with some sort of a base. But basically you start like it's brand new."

For the most part, playing linebacker is new to Orakpo.

Listed at 6 feet 4 and 260 pounds, Orakpo was among the nation's premiere pass rushers last season for the Longhorns. His unique blend of size, speed (he was consistently clocked in the 4.70-second range in the 40-yard dash at pre-draft workouts) and quickness elevated Orakpo to a top-15 pick.

The release of veteran strong-side, or SAM, linebacker Marcus Washington in February opened a hole in the Skins' linebacker corps. Washington had been injured and ineffective for most of the last two seasons with the team, but he was the only proven player at his position on the roster.

From scouting Orakpo and evaluating him at the combine, the Skins were convinced that he could fill Washington's former role. But Orakpo estimated he was involved in coverage on only about 15 percent of his total reps in college, so he knew he would need help.

"Basically starting from scratch, trying to do the best I can as far as [the] positions they gave me," Orakpo said. "When I'm lined up at SAM backer, I just got to get different keys, different reads, and put [in] a different mentality. And at defensive end, when it's time to rush, it's time to rush and get after it."

Orakpo also works with defensive line coach John Palermo, but sessions with Olivadotti have occupied most of his time. For Orakpo right now, it's all about his eyes, Olivadotti said.

"His eyes are going to be totally different," said Olivadotti, beginning his third season as linebackers coach and 10th on the staff. "These guys that have played linebacker have had expanded vision. His eyes are what you have to work on the most: This is what you look at and this is what it means. His eyes, and a defensive lineman's eyes in general, you have to re-teach them what to look at. When he's in space, what's he looking at?
The movement part of it, that's why we have him at linebacker.

"We thought the movement part of things was going to be something that he could do. He can move the way that we want him to move. Now, he just has to look at it and it's different. ..... He had six inches between him and the first guy he had to hit. Now, he has four or five yards. The approach footwork, the footwork once you're there, how you want to hit the guy, those are things that are inherent to playing linebacker that are new to him."

Orakpo expressed optimism about making a smooth transition.

"When I put my hand in the dirt, just do what I do best," he said. "You know [at] linebacker you have different keys, different reads, so I have to switch my whole mindset when I'm playing the two different positions.

"Defensive end is just straight down, make a play. Linebacker, you have to think a little bit more, and that's the difficulty about it. But so far, I'm getting better and better each and every day."

By Jason Reid  |  August 4, 2009; 12:00 PM ET
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Comments

why are they still practicing?? Why haven't they shut it down till 2010?? Heyer got injured...all hope is lost...abandoned ship....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 4, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I understand the season hasn't even started and that the preseason hasn't even started.....but Heyer hasn't had a track record of health, neither has Thomas or Samuels and Williams is at best a project. Bridges apparently can't play tackle nearly as well as guard but certainly can't play tackle and guard at the same time and Rhinehart is apparently the invisible man....we have cap room, I hope they are on the phone looking into some available lineman through signings or trades

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

if he can school Samuels already, he oughta be a full-time DE. Call Marcus W. back up and sign him--no one else has.

Posted by: pgugino | August 4, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? A couple days into camp and dang near the whole O line is banged up already? How are they going to get better or form a cohesive unit when half of them are sitting? Preseason is still a while away, they won't even make it till then.

Posted by: ga8085 | August 4, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo seems like the real deal, I really like what we are hearing about this guy. Hopefully Vinny got this one right and 98 will be a linchpin at the SAM for next 8 to 10 years and creating havoc for NFC East QBs for a long time.

Posted by: forever8-8 | August 4, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Lincoln, would you like a refill on your drink, or do you need to go now?

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

It's probably Pauly Shore.

Posted by: Samson151

Buuuuuuaaaaady

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 11:36 AM |

That was some flick, wasn't it. Remember the part with the "juice wease" where he puts his mouth under the spigot and mainlines the juice machine?

"Goddamnit you crazy road lizard if you wease the juice from my store one more time I will smack your face off of your face."

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

There are 5 weeks until the season starts.

Repeat, there are 5 weeks until the season starts.

Just got back from my Honeymoon in the Bahamas and it took about 3 days to read all of the posts. Finally caught up and it is like a soap opera. One day people are jacked up about the D, then the next the season is over. "Like sands through the hour glass, so are the Days of our Lives"

Yes, I know, it is sad that I know that saying.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 4, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Call Marcus W. back up and sign him--no one else has.

There is a reason no one has signed him, he's washed up. Orakpo will get plenty of chances from the SAM to rush the passer, he would not be a good everydown DE in the NFC East, he'd get run over at the line. Conversely he'll be a load running at RB's on first and second downs from 4-5 yards back.

Posted by: forever8-8 | August 4, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Roydell Williams "likely will not be able to run for three weeks" following pinky surgery.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 4, 2009 12:01 PM

I thought the same thing, but was afraid to ask..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 4, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, Snyder and Cerrato should all be embarassed at the shellacking the offensive line is taking- and maybe Blache should be canonized.

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

why are they still practicing?? Why haven't they shut it down till 2010?? Heyer got injured...all hope is lost...abandoned ship....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 12:06 PM

Try to stay with us, beans. Heyer's hurt. Williams is hurt, Thomas is hurt, Rogers is hurt, Haynesworth is hurt, Thrash is hurt, Thomas and Kelly are "resting," Davis & Leigh torrence remain MIA, and Fred Smoot overtrashed and is in intensive care with third degree burns on his tongue.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess, after the previous RI article about Haynesworth, the one where he said he wasn't worried about his knee, when I asked that a second source, perhaps an orthopedic surgeon be checked with, RI interpreted that to mean they should ask his coach, Jim Zorn.

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 9:01 PM |

If you wanted good medical advice about AH's knee Mr. Know-It-All you would go to an orthopedist, not an orthopedic surgeon. The orthopedists diagnose the problem and if they need a saw bones then they call in a surgeon to do the hack work.

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 4, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Try to stay with us, beans. Heyer's hurt. Williams is hurt, Thomas is hurt, Rogers is hurt, Haynesworth is hurt, Thrash is hurt, Thomas and Kelly are "resting," Davis & Leigh torrence remain MIA, and Fred Smoot overtrashed and is in intensive care with third degree burns on his tongue.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 12:16 PM

Good one, Cork. I think that we should cut Thrash, anyway. He's washed up. Can Smoot still play with the tongue issues? And Torrence -- how much is he being fined for not showing up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This one is for the Zorn/JC will be gone after this year. And the Mike Shanahan will be our Coach next year. Yesterday in Peter King's MMQB, this little piece caught my eye, if the rumors of Shanahan coming here prove to be true.

"Sunday, 3:25 p.m. (Steelers camp, Latrobe, Pa.) And now for something completely different -- Mike Shanahan on the sidelines of Pittsburgh Steelers training camp. The sight was so strange on Saturday that defensive player of the year James Harrison went over to coach Mike Tomlin early in practice and said something like, Hey, you aren't going to let the Broncos coach in to watch our practice, are you? News travels slowly up here, I guess.

Shanahan, traveling with his presumptive defensive coordinator of the future, Bob Slowik, will visit five teams for three or four days apiece this summer, the one year he'll be away from coaching. From here he goes to New England, Houston, Arizona and the University of Florida, where he'll get his first close look at Urban Meyer's spread."

Any theories? I have some hair brained ones, but I would like to see if there are any thoughts about this.

If he comes here and runs the his zone running plays will Portis be in heaven? Assuming Snyder already has his mind set.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 4, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

cork, exactly my point, there is no reason to even field a team in 2009. Forfeit all the games, go 0-16, get the first pick in the draft, and start fresh in 2010. I'm serious, why go through the hassle and heartache of losing all 16 games, while playing them...just forfeit them, rest up, and get healthy.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It's early: let's see what we got.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Thanks for the logical positivism, Moe, but remember Terrell Suggs' words when whats-his-name was installed out there, "You can't put that guy on me, somebody's going to get hurt!!"

"Jason, what's your insurance company??"
"New York Life, why??"

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

FOXBOROUGH -- Longtime Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan was a guest at this morning's training camp practice.

After the Patriots stretched, Bill Belichick called the players together and introduced Shanahan.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

why go through the hassle and heartache of losing all 16 games,

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 12:24 PM |

You don't understand the NFL do you? Does "beer sales" mean nothing to you? We should get a replacement team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

cork, exactly my point, there is no reason to even field a team in 2009. Forfeit all the games, go 0-16, get the first pick in the draft, and start fresh in 2010. I'm serious, why go through the hassle and heartache of losing all 16 games, while playing them...just forfeit them, rest up, and get healthy.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

Watch out, Snyder will have you neutered--think of all the money he'd lose by not playing the games...and what would he do with his time, flip burgers at Johnny R's?

Oh, update on injuries..Rabach is now hurt. Says so on redskins.Com so it HAS to be true.

They've turned snarky over there saying Haynesworth is practicing so worry about his knee was nonense. I feel better.

Now I get my Snark on Redskins.com and my Puff on RI.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- Maake Kemoeatu lasted fewer than 30 minutes in Carolina's first training camp practice Monday before tearing his right Achilles' tendon, leaving the Panthers in disarray at the position where they entered with the least depth.


They have O-line depth, we have Def Tackle depth. This could get interesting if injuries remain an issue

Posted by: Devo2 | August 4, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't get how some of you think worrying about a line that sucked last year, has looked sucky so far in preseason and now has 3 of the 5 members not practicing is no cause for concern what-so-ever. Nobody is saying we can't get to our usually around .500 record like we consistently do, but personally, I'd like to stop wasting top 5 defenses on crappy offenses and if you don't think that its a big deal that three fifths of our bad project of an offensive line isn't practicing together because of injury you don't know much about football.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

trade mason, and leigh torrence for Peppers.....championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't necessarily disagree with you fanatic1 but it just the beginning and it usually takes a body some adjustment to getting hammered on after months of non-contact drill work. Nothing seems serious yet, so we can look at this as a tryout of the depth players, let see who steps it up. Now in two to three weeks if we still have half the line not practicing then there will be some serious concern for cohesion.

Posted by: forever8-8 | August 4, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Now I get my Snark on Redskins.com and my Puff on RI.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 12:30 PM |

Cork, You get your snark at the Safeway. You eat Snarkies for breakfast, between meal snacks, and instead of vegetables. If you'd just buy high-fiber Snarkies, you wouldn't be so full of sh1t. You'll never be hungry for snark.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Just to set the record straight, dudes, the O-line did not suck for the ENTIRE year in 2008.

The early games they were doing very well, with the exception of the opener against the GiAnts. Later in the year, they got tired, wore down, and played poorly. Look at the graphic from Monday's post regarding CP's ypc in the first half and second half of the year. While the article was about him, it reflected line play more than his running.

CP did a manly job at the end of the year, some of the toughest running by a Redskins back ever (including Larry Brown and John Riggins).

Now, hopefully the O-line has gotten younger and won't wear down like they did last year. Let's not push the panic button just yet, it's early. The Redskins zone scheme requires a lot of teamwork and it takes time for linemen to develop that.

So just cycle down, hmmm?

What I really want to know is how's Colt Brennan doing trying to unseat TTodd CCollinnss? Is he going to be our #2 QB this year?

Or we could take the TE route, put the entire team on IR and hire a bunch of Arena League guys. Then, draft Taylor Mays in the first round, and SMASH the living poop out of every single Dallas Cowboy, every former Cowboy, and guys who even thought about becoming Cowboys.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

And Jessica Simpson

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"If you wanted good medical advice about AH's knee Mr. Know-It-All you would go to an orthopedist, not an orthopedic surgeon. The orthopedists diagnose the problem and if they need a saw bones then they call in a surgeon to do the hack work.

Posted by: EncinoMan"

Wow, just wow. I don't even know if this justifies a response. If this is actually a serious post...I'm speechless.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Those are incredibly life-like puppets of Kim Song-il and Clinton on the front page of the Post..Kim looks like he just fed some journalists to the sharks!!

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse


I guess, after the previous RI article about Haynesworth, the one where he said he wasn't worried about his knee, when I asked that a second source, perhaps an orthopedic surgeon be checked with, RI interpreted that to mean they should ask his coach, Jim Zorn.

Posted by: TheCork | August 3, 2009 9:01 PM |

If you wanted good medical advice about AH's knee Mr. Know-It-All you would go to an orthopedist, not an orthopedic surgeon. The orthopedists diagnose the problem and if they need a saw bones then they call in a surgeon to do the hack work.

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 4, 2009 12:21 PM

If you're going to call out someone else for what they said at least know what you're talking about first. Orthopedist is just another way of saying Orthopedic Surgeon. A very few choose not to practice surgery (and concentrate primarily on making orthopedics for specific parts of the body like the foot) but they're all classified under the same field. They're all "bone doctors" and all are trained to properly diagnose bone ailments.

http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00923/orthopedists.htm

Posted by: Med2 | August 4, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"If you wanted good medical advice about AH's knee Mr. Know-It-All you would go to an orthopedist, not an orthopedic surgeon. The orthopedists diagnose the problem and if they need a saw bones then they call in a surgeon to do the hack work.

Posted by: EncinoMan"

Wow, just wow. I don't even know if this justifies a response. If this is actually a serious post...I'm speechless.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 12:56 PM

I guess you had the same thoughts I did. :)

Posted by: Med2 | August 4, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The OL didn't just get tired late in the year -- four out of five of the starters were injured. They were either out, playing hurt, or could not practice...

...plus the offense was playing against top 10 defenses in almost every game.

In addition, the game day (in)active player decisions often left the line short if an injury occurred and there was very little quality OL depth.

Posted by: siris | August 4, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones needs to be signed asap!

Posted by: kellsz1 | August 4, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone takes their ideological sides constantly, RI is worse than congress! I mean really people mix it up a bit...live is technicolor not B&W. Obviously its early, and its also vary real concerns. Giant "Duh" there..

One solution is this: We are stacked at Dline and L. Alexander is looking up at some big behinds. Butt this dude is versatile, has played oline before and is buges type cat. Start the full transition now. The dude is a freakin football player, thats obvious to anyone who watches...lets get him there at guard!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at a starting OL compared to other positions, in terms of how physical it is.

There are roughly 1,000 plays in a season. A starting OL hits someone on most every play. The person they hit is likely to be at least 250lbs, and often 300lbs. So I'm introducing a new stat called "play-lbs of contact". During a full season, an OL will get about 250,000 "play-lbs" of contact.

A typical WR might catch 70 passes, and sometimes on the sideline, meaning they get hit 50-60 times, usually by someone who weighs 200lbs, often less. That's 10,000 "play-lbs" of contact. WRs also do some blocking and deal with chucks at the line, so that number is incomplete -- its probably closer to 25,000 play-lbs of contact, or 10% of what an OL gets.

We're all familiar with the RB rule of 370. A starting RB might get hit 300 times, and block (mostly chip) someone another 100-200 times. The RB might get around 100,000 "play-lbs" or contact, or 40% of an OL.

A DL is similar to an OL, except most teams rotate starters and leave them on the field for 2/3 to 3/4s of the plays. They get hit by 300lb OL guys. Say 650-700 total plays, or 200,000 "play-lbs", or 80% of an OL.

The amount of physical contact an offensive lineman gets is by far the most of any position.

The OL gets about 25% more "play-lbs" than any other position. Which is why offensive lineman get dinged up so much. Which is why you draft OL pretty much every year, so a flow of young players can step in when OL injuries take their toll.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

trade next years first, and 2nd round picks for Levi Jones, and the 1983 version of Mark May.....make it happen Vinny....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

we'd be OK if we only had Pierce. Right Greg?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

z, didn't need to be said, but yeah...we'd be more than ok....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Siris, you're right. Point was that old guys tend -- tend -- to get injured more often, and take more time to recover from injuries, than younger players.

By that time in the season, most of the NFL is not 100%. Playing those defenses didn't help much either. But I still go back to the CIN game: two crucial fumbles, questionable play calling, lousy OL play against a middling CIN defense, and the defense giving up 2 first quarter TD's.

All with a great chance to right the ship and get ready for a playoff run. They win there, go on to beat PHI, all of a sudden the Skins are 9-6 going into SF with a great shot at a Wildcard spot.

Which, if they got it, would have probably meant losing to the Giants again. Still, when JZ looks back at last year, he's got to take that game and figure out how to win those contests this year.

Got to.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Wait.. wait... you're hurting my head. You're saying an orthopedist is the same as an orthopedic surgeon? No way! Next you'll be telling me that the guy who did Scooby's voice was the same guy who did Astro's...

And as the day continues, the offensive line's suckosity meter continues to register in the red. Maybe the Redskins should just hire five Walmart greeters to ensure Mr. Campbell is properly introduced to Mr. Astroturf.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 4, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Try to stay with us, beans. Heyer's hurt. Williams is hurt, Thomas is hurt, Rogers is hurt, Haynesworth is hurt, Thrash is hurt, Thomas and Kelly are "resting," Davis & Leigh torrence remain MIA, and Fred Smoot overtrashed and is in intensive care with third degree burns on his tongue.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 12:16 PM

Good one, Cork. I think that we should cut Thrash, anyway. He's washed up. Can Smoot still play with the tongue issues? And Torrence -- how much is he being fined for not showing up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 12:23 PM


Thrash was released a month ago. Leigh Torrance was released in the middle of the 2008 season.

But seriously, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelley are 23 years old, why the hell do they have to "rest" so much!!! Lift a weight instead of getting more prison tats thuggish ruggish!

Posted by: SEJerome | August 4, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The OL play is roughly the difference between 7-9 and 12-4. The OL doesn't have to be great -- just play near its talent level all season -- and this team is a 12-4 team. But if it falls apart -- and there is clearly potential for that to happen -- we're staring at 7-9.

What are the implications? Pete Kendall on speed dial? Lorenzo Alexander switching sides? A trade?

No need to panic and wind up with another Jason Taylor situation, but I'm thinking all of the above possibilities are being considered, and probably more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, some of your analyses are very good, but that one is kind of ridiculous. There's a massive difference between a WR getting blindsided coming across the middle and an offensive tackle steering a defensive end around the pocket.

Attempting to analyze "play lbs of contact" normalized across all positions is pretty worthless.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The best indication of how physically demanding a position is to play is the average career.

Long careers = low impact,
short careers = high impact.

Without getting all messed up in actual facts, here's my guess arranged from low to high

Kickers
QB
DB
WR
TE
OL
DL
LB

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Re: Kim Jon-Ill and Bill CLinton,

They should have did this in Team America puppets. That would hae been funny as heck!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 4, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, some of your analyses are very good, but that one is kind of ridiculous. There's a massive difference between a WR getting blindsided coming across the middle and an offensive tackle steering a defensive end around the pocket.

Attempting to analyze "play lbs of contact" normalized across all positions is pretty worthless.

Posted by: psps23

What, a worthless stat? How dare I?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Attempting to analyze "play lbs of contact" normalized across all positions is pretty worthless."

At least doing it by basing it solely off of the opposing player's weight makes it worthless. Now, if you could somehow do the total impact a player absorbs...

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at a starting OL compared to other positions, in terms of how physical it is.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 1:07 PM

How long did researching that take?

Posted by: jpfree | August 4, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Thrash was released a month ago. Leigh Torrance was released in the middle of the 2008 season.

But seriously, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelley are 23 years old, why the hell do they have to "rest" so much!!! Lift a weight instead of getting more prison tats thuggish ruggish!

Posted by: SEJerome


Translation: I'm an ignorant d-bag bama. Why? Because I can't understand an obvious joke, and I categorize others based on the actions of the few.

With a name like SEJerome, you should know better. Especially the latter part of your post.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny was Carolina's GM, we could probably trade Anthony Montgomery or Golston for Jeff Otah. Right Tackle solved. Too bad we got the slow personnel guy who doesn't understand the concept of offensive line.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | August 4, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Thrash was released a month ago. Leigh Torrance was released in the middle of the 2008 season.

Posted by: SEJerome | August 4, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow, your an idiot..

Posted by: ga8085 | August 4, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

More inside view from my lil'Bro including pre-req Marko Mitchell love:

"O finished better..moved the ball nice on 11-11 drills...Marko caught around 11 balls, a TD on a fade and a long bomb. He then stayed after practice to work with Moss."

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"...if he (Orakpo) can school Samuels already, he oughta be a full-time DE. Call Marcus W. back up and sign him--no one else has...."

Just Say No to Marcus Washington!

The sand has run to the bottom of the hourglass of his career.

I'm more interested in how C Wilson--or HB Blades, mind you--plays slb than watching Marcus Washington over-celebrate at it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

and finally,
RB

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

I hated on for this the other day, but thanks for it today:


"O finished better..moved the ball nice on 11-11 drills...Marko caught around 11 balls, a TD on a fade and a long bomb."


Again: I got M Mitchell penciled as the fifth receiver.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Ha Moe, keep your hate...that last one wasn't twitter it was from my little brother who has gone to all the open camps and texts me his observations. You are both founding members of the Marko fan club.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

cl, thanks again for the updates, good stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

1st through 5th Receiver don't matter much when your O Line's second job is turnstile on the metro!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 4, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Again: I got M Mitchell penciled as the fifth receiver.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Yep, and Roydell Williams will quickly be on his way out.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

With all these line injuries I think the team needs to start running a long shotgun system Line the QB back behind the LOS about 15 yards so he can have time to pass.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"1st through 5th Receiver don't matter much when your O Line's second job is turnstile on the metro!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 4, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse "

It would matter to Marko!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, the famous West Coast Shotgun approach...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 4, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

no prob, BG. I value RI as a place that aggregates info so that peeps can one stop shop. So whether its my bro, my twitter feed or Cooley FB updates I like to throw them up here to chum the water. Appreciate when other do the same....croudsourcing redskins nation!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I just watched a YouTube of Cooley messing with Orakpo today (at the break in the training ... I love the speed of the Internet).

Orakpo's voice is even lower and more bass than Samuels. He sounds like that huge guy in "The Green Mile" who was afraid of mice.

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Correction, afraid of the dark. [I think he liked a mouse or some such.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

well dressed amani toomer is a chief.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Up until he busted his finger, I had Roydell Williams penciled in as the 5th receiver. I'm good with Marko Mitchell though, esp. b/c he's so damb tall (and fairly fast).

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at a starting OL compared to other positions, in terms of how physical it is.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 1:07 PM

How long did researching that take?

Posted by: jpfree

made it up as I went along ... :)


I still think the point has validity ... that OL are in contact with really big guys on every play -- so they do get dinged up a lot. Thing is, you can play OL with a broken hand (ask Joe Jacoby and the club he wore) or broken thumbs (ask Jansen).

Many injuries are not cumulative, but "event" oriented -- everything is fine -- then 1 unfortunate whack and you're done for the season. Last year, that happened to Samuels and Geisinger on our OL. 3 guys had the wear and tear kind of injuries, Jansen, Heyer and Thomas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Well now the only skin I am concern about is Cooley .For I have on my fanstasy team so he is the only Skin i care about the rest can well just go away for all I care

Posted by: joevick | August 4, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Calm down people...

If we would have drafted an O-lineman, you would have said we should have drafted a D-lineman.

How can you fault the Skins for DEVELOPING talent at RT? I thought ya'll said we spend to much on free agents. Now we are trying to develop young non high profile players but they still get ripped...

AMAZING!

Posted by: rickyroge | August 4, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

More Bryan Larry updates:

- Barnes sucks
- Kelly makes great catches
- Bridges will take Heyers spot
- How they are using Orakpo is real smart
- The LB we drafted Hensen will be the new fletcher

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

In my 1st ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES for the 2009 season, I had Roydell and LB Robert Henson as my surprise impact players.

One week later, the 1st can't run because of his pinky injury and the other is apparently holed up in an undisclosed location.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

More B-Law:

- Fred Davis lining up in slot
-Tryon getting lots of reps.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Whoa!!! ... a Robert Henson sighting CL, do tell!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"How can you fault the Skins for DEVELOPING talent at RT?"

We're developing 'talent' at RT? Who knew?

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Thrash was released a month ago. Leigh Torrance was released in the middle of the 2008 season.
Posted by: SEJerome
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Wow, your an idiot..
Posted by: ga8085
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I'm only posting this because Cork would have wanted it that way. ga8085, if you are going to call someone an idiot your spelling / grammar should be correct. It is you're, not your.

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

get this bl a sign-on, I like this cat.....he can be our guy on the ground..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

AMAZING!

Posted by: rickyroge | August 4, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

They had more then one draft pick. There was still some quality lineman available in the 3rd round.

Posted by: ga8085 | August 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

chris, is your bro' tweeting. he should be. and tell him thanks.

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Z: That was my brothers observation from camp, that he liked the way Henson looked....

BG: He is to young and hip for the blog...22....I will be his conduit. He did attend the shabingus last year. I was humiliated, he was like "You know these people"......

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

cl, good stuff, so you come from a long line of skins fans....yeah, 22, I don't even remember 22....we're probably too old/out of touch for him......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

D'Anthony Baptiste, Devin Clark and Will Montgomery.

How are these guys looking? Anyone?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 4, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Glad to know Tryon is getting reps. Either he will be utterly humiliated or will start to come around.

Me like the bL feed.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 4, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

're, 're, 're, 're, 're..Feel better?

Posted by: ga8085 | August 4, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Gaithersburg Gazette is reporting that the Skins are bringing in Leroy Jenkins to add depth to our injured offensive line.

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"You know these people"......


F your bro.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 4, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Hunter's going to be out of sight," Danny Smith said. "Hunter's a punter. It's been a long time since we had one of them. Wherever we say the ball is going, it's a pretty good chance that's where it's going to be. We stopped calling where the ball was going to be in the past because we didn't know, nor did the punter know."

by By Ryan O'Halloran THE WASHINGTON TIMES , The Washington Times

"It's been a long time since we had one of them".

What?? Wow..

Posted by: ga8085 | August 4, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Gaithersburg Gazette is reporting that the Skins are bringing in Leroy Jenkins to add depth to our injured offensive line.

Posted by: isnadd | August 4, 2009 2:40 PM

At least we know he isn't afraid to take the lead.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 4, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

1994-2000: Norv Turner (fired after 13th game of 2000)
2000: Terry Robiske (final 3 games)
2001: Marty Schottenheimer
2002-2003: Steve Spurrier
2004-2007: Joe Gibbs
2007-present: Jim Zorn

As I look at this list, I fear JZ is looking a little like Snyderatto's first love, the Ol' Ball Coach: a coach who disdains the importance of the O-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 4, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Funny story from B-Larry:

"I was waiting in line for Orakpo's autograph and this kid in front of me was getting his Smoot jersey signed. He then slapped Orakpo in the head! Orakp, in like the deepest voice ever, said "man how you going to slap my head" and then left. And I was next!"

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Calm down people...

If we would have drafted an O-lineman, you would have said we should have drafted a D-lineman."


Wrong!

Would have loved to see them spend #1 & 3 on O-line. It was desperately needed. Same as last year (Fred Davis instead of an O-lineman? C'mon. We have a pro bowl TE. And what ever happened to that 2 TE set we kept hearing about?)

So far, we have "upgraded" our line with Dockery, who openly sucked last year, Williams was signed off the buffet line at Denny's and Heyer, who went undrafted and couldn't beat out Jansen last year.

Whoopee!

That's what we're betting on?

Posted by: edvar | August 4, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

If you wanted good medical advice about AH's knee Mr. Know-It-All you would go to an orthopedist, not an orthopedic surgeon. The orthopedists diagnose the problem and if they need a saw bones then they call in a surgeon to do the hack work.

Posted by: EncinoMan

I love the smell of medical envy in the morning.

Funny hting about that. I went to a guy who did both, and he told me I needed some knee work. Then I went to another double dipper doc for a second opinion...he said I did not need surgery, just rest. That was twelve years ago and my knee is fine.

When I went back to my GP (also a surgeon, incidentally) he said the motto of the group the first doc worked for is "If we ain't cuttin' we aint' makin' money."

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

pretty sure CL's bruh was talkin' about the lame and geeked out bamas.

but if the the shoe...
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Gaithersburg Gazette is reporting that the Skins are bringing in Leroy Jenkins to add depth to our injured offensive line.

Posted by: isnadd

Leroy Jenkins? I thought he was doing a 20 year bid in Red Onion?

The names Leroy and Jenkins together just screams: I'M A BLACK DUDE!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

some randome dude just slapped Rak in the head.....nice....deserved a wedgie at least...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

LLllleeeeroooooooyyyyyy
ehJeeeeenkkkinnnnssss!

laugh every time I read/hear that.

& trudat, Cork!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 4, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Cork, You get your snark at the Safeway. You eat Snarkies for breakfast, between meal snacks, and instead of vegetables. If you'd just buy high-fiber Snarkies, you wouldn't be so full of sh1t. You'll never be hungry for snark.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 12:47 PM

Here's what makes T_E so durn entertaining...JUST when you think you have a handle on his personality, he readjusts his medication.

For those of you who wonder (and haven't you got something--ANYTHING--better to do with the precious time God gives you on Earth?), very little of what I post reflects the real me. I'm a writer and this is a workshop.

And it's more addictive than Oxy.

But then most of you know about hte addiction part.

Posted by: TheCork | August 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

cl or bl

Thanks for the hook up!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

sorry cork i'm still in denial.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 4, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Blog Title should now read:

Orakpo Avoids the 'Sucker Route', but not the "Sucka Slap"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

As I look at this list, I fear JZ is looking a little like Snyderatto's first love, the Ol' Ball Coach: a coach who disdains the importance of the O-line.

Posted by: Alan4


I think you give Zorn way too much credit in personnel decisions. And even if he did have that much say so, he wouldn't have co-signed on the release of Jansen. Financially, it would've been more cost effective to keep Jansen than Heyer.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Red, Leeeeroooy Jenkiiiiinnnns!!! is a white dude.

Look up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube.

CL, does BL play World of Warcraft?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 4, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

thecork/talent_evaluator

Y'all chill.

It's like you guys have bromance in reverse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If I was Raks, I would've gave him a nuggie, or indian burned the hell outta shorty's arm.

But then it would've been 'lawyer time' for Raks. Good thing he just bounced on them.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually look it up on Wiki, there is a article about Leeroy Jinkins on there.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that the Gaithersburg Gazette is reporting that the Skins are bringing in Chris Crocker to add depth to our injured offensive line.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I was humiliated, he was like "You know these people"......

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:32 PM

"Know them?!?! I spend eight hours a day on-line with these people! So in a word, no. I have no idea who any of these people are."

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

lh, I swear that was in the back of my mind.

No bs!

But nine times outta ten, that's a "broham".

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

red, no joke, getting slapped in the head, then dude expects an autograph....rak should have had the guy escorted out....only after giving him a wedgie, then a swirley in the porta-potty...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gaithersburg has a newspaper? And I thought print media was on its last breaths in its death throes. If G-burg is hanging in there, there may be room in this universe for the WaPo yet.

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

JC on the front cover of SI this week. Isn't there a jinx or something relating to SI front cover?

This week’s August 10, 2009, issue of Sports Illustrated, on newsstands tomorrow, features Washington Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell with the billing NFL Camps Open: Pressure Points And Pivotal Players.

SI senior NFL writers Peter King and Jim Trotter, who have visited various training camps from coast to coast, focus on five hot spots where the pressures of August will be acute. According to King and Trotter, Redskins QB Jason Campbell is perhaps the player facing the greatest scrutiny: “Despite appearances, though, Campbell might be under the harshest spotlight of any NFL player as training camps open across the country. In the off-season the Skins pursued Jay Cutler and showed interest in Mark Sanchez, and as the fifth-year quarterback walked onto the practice field the name of yet another available quarterback popped up. At least two fans were wearing Falcons number 7 jerseys, and behind a fence near the practice field a DC WANTS VICK sign waved in the crowd.”

Posted by: TWISI | August 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

It does show some natural ignorance on Zorn's part to think to rely on Heyer/Bridges/Williams over ol' Jansen, 2 of the three in the shop at the moment..Zorn and the 2009 'Skins a** depends on fortifying that slot, so obvious to us old fans on here, what part of "leak in the dam" don't the FO understand??

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that the Gaithersburg Gazette is reporting that the Skins are bringing in Chris Crocker to add depth to our injured offensive line.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:18 PM

The safety for the Bengals?

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

He did attend the shabingus last year. I was humiliated, he was like "You know these people"......

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:32 PM |

I was wondering what you were up to. The rest of us had better sense than to bring friends or relatives to that thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll try this again. These guys were all signed last December and all have starting experience in the league. No word at all on any ofthem. What gives?
D'Anthony Baptiste, Devin Clark and Will Montgomery.

How are these guys looking? Anyone?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
Its the name of the guy who did "Leave Brittny Spears Alone"

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's what makes T_E so durn entertaining...JUST when you think you have a handle on his personality, he readjusts his medication.

Posted by: TheCork

Best line I've seen up here in a long time!!! Reminds me of women I've dated ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

When they flood that injured RT with DeMarcus, Osi, blitzes, its going to be a replay of second half of 2008..They can't be that stupid, they must have a new player in mind..

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

He did attend the shabingus last year. I was humiliated, he was like "You know these people"......

Posted by: chrislarry | August 4, 2009 2:32 PM |

I was wondering what you were up to. The rest of us had better sense than to bring friends or relatives to that thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 3:28 PM

He11, I sent my doppelganger.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 4, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell might be under the harshest spotlight of any NFL player"

Not worried about Campbell under the spotlight, worried about him under justin tuck.

I'm afraid that the name of the guy thats gonna be doing most of blocking of justin tuck is .... Clinton Portis

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Other than the obvious, you'll be amazed at the stuff that goes on in a porta-pottys...

I don't care how bad I have to go, you couldn't pay me to handle my business in their. None of it.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

agreed, red. world is a man's urinal, pick a private spot, and do your business...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll try this again. These guys were all signed last December and all have starting experience in the league. No word at all on any ofthem. What gives?
D'Anthony Baptiste, Devin Clark and Will Montgomery.

How are these guys looking? Anyone?

I don't know how they are looking, but league experience and starting experience are very different:

Batiste - 4 gms played ever and 4 starts inactive the rest of his 4 seasons
Montegomery - 13 career games 6 starts in 4 seasons
Clark - 2 career games and no starts in 1 season

Not exactly quality depth.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not shedding tears for Jason Campbell.

He should have four games to show that he's improved from last year. If all he does is give that "more of the same" pedestrian crap, or worse, regress, then I'm joining the 'Bench Campbell Mob'.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

thanks fanantic

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I guess I've already accepted that our offense will probably suck again this year. So from now on I'm gonna put my hope in the defense and maybe we can still get by. I hate that I love the Redskins so much..this bs is getting old.

Posted by: scottmando | August 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Other than the obvious, you'll be amazed at the stuff that goes on in a porta-pottys...

I don't care how bad I have to go, you couldn't pay me to handle my business in their. None of it.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse
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Clearly you've never had Thai food.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

As a aside the 2 reporters held captive in North Korea have been pardoned by Kim Jong.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Are there even any viable OTs available in free agency? Is it just Runyan?

Also, Jasno in Ashburn today ...

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811a831d&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

They got some toilets in New Orleans that you wouldnt go in without a spacesuit..

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

As a aside the 2 reporters held captive in North Korea have been pardoned by Kim Jong.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:51 PM

We should send Bill Clinton to the owner's box to negotiate a pardon for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

So really, the Mike Williams story has to be a GREAT story for any of this to work, right?

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

So really, the Mike Williams story has to be a GREAT story for any of this to work, right?

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

It does show some natural ignorance on Zorn's part to think to rely on Heyer/Bridges/Williams over ol' Jansen, 2 of the three in the shop at the moment..

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse
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Are you kidding? Jansen could break any bone on his body on command. His injuries were nowhere near 'bruises and muscle strains'!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Clearly you've never had Thai food.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

So, a brotha can't eat a little Thai food, huh?

j/k...

There is one about two miles and change from where I live called SakulThai. I eat there often too, most of the time I get the Crispy Honey Roasted Duck.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding? Jansen could break any bone on his body on command. His injuries were nowhere near 'bruises and muscle strains'!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

on the pluss side Jansen would still play with broken bones. the man could lose both legs and still think he should be starting.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 4, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

No Sween. The Heyer story has to be a great story for this to work. MW is, and has always been, a back up in mgmt's eyes no matter what they have said publicly.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 4, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

As a aside the 2 reporters held captive in North Korea have been pardoned by Kim Jong.

You know Bill threatened to leave Hillary there.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

+1 on Thai food. Spicy but sweet.

And to alex, I agree that Jansen was a warrior, but so was that knight in Monty Python.

"I'll bite you to death!"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Are you kidding? Jansen could break any bone on his body on command. His injuries were nowhere near 'bruises and muscle strains'!

Posted by: mattsoundworld"
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Ok, even ol' Jansen was a setback. What I meant was the three alternatives are down to Bridges, not anywhere as solid as we need to be in the NFC East..Great if he proves me wrong , but FO shoulda seen this coming- Maybe if Rhinehart's thrown into the inferno he'll anneal into a hard steel..

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The hatred for Jasno followed him to NFL.com - the only comment at the bottom of his analysis.

gaudiomatt - Reminds me of the old times because its another report on the redskins coming from some loser who hates the redskins. Oh wait its you. We hate you dude glad your gone.
21 minutes ago

Posted by: ToddStinkston | August 4, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Ugh...

Hillary Clinton = NOT HOT!

I heard there were some pictures of her surfing the 'net with a bathing suit on. I just pray to god it wasn't a two-piece.

She needs to wear basketball shorts and a 4X white tee at the beach.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying, a quick signing of Kendall and Runyan would make this fan breath a little easier, I know we need to get younger/develop and all that, but not during the season when we are trying to win games....I doubt Clark, Montegomery, Batiste, Williams or any of those guys would be snatched off our practice squad and some starting experienced Vets from the NFC East would be nice insurance policies if Heyer/Bridges/Williams stay hurt or don't pan out like we hope. Plus having Kendall behind Thomas who gets hurt annually would be nice too....

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Plus having Kendall behind Thomas who gets hurt annually would be nice too....


how about if we see what Rhinhart, or Bridges, or MWilliams can do in that spot, in stead of signing a 36 year old guy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The Skins were right to let Jansen go. His supposed strength was being aggressive on run plays. You knew he was gonna get beat physically on pass plays, but he'd get the tough yards in the run game.

Until ...

a 4th and 1 vs the jints. The exact situation you're glad to have Jansen. But he failed to block either of the 2 guys that went right by him and they dropped Portis for a loss.

I watched the replay several times because I couldn't believe it. He was a turnstile. Didn't touch either guy. Not blocking anyone on a 4th down play run play .

Time for Jansen to move on.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, should I be panicking about the O line right now, or should I wait? Or is there something different I should be panicking about?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 4, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying, a quick signing of Kendall and Runyan would make this fan breath a little easier, I know we need to get younger/develop and all that, but not during the season when we are trying to win games.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 4:08 PM

Have you stopped to ask yourself why these gentlemen are still available? Even Jansen got a job as a back-up on a o-line so sorry the media in Detroit has suggested that the Lions not start Stafford so as to keep him healthy.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 4, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

*Stretching*

Coach!

Oooh Oooh Coach! Pick me!

Over here!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

We should send Bill Clinton to the owner's box to negotiate a pardon for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 3:54 PM

Who do you think got Jason Reid released from captivity -- from the portapotty where he was forced to film Redskins Unrestricted?

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That 36 year old guy played all 16 games for us last year and was arguably our best lineman except for about 10 seconds in the St. Louis game...

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

nate, please PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Please stop it now with the Runyan Creaming.

Runyan = Jansen

Kendall signing on as a RESERVE isn't a bad idea.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

fanatic, time to move on.....at some point in time you've gotta take the training wheels off the guys already on the roster.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Or is there something different I should be panicking about?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 4, 2009 4:12 PM

Oh, you definitely should start panicking about something. QUICK! PANIC!

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Red, I'm not suggesting Runyan is a good idea. I'm just panicking (following Nate's lead) and asking who OTHER THAN Runyan is available? Who are the Marcus Washington/Pete Kendall types out there (ready to be payed plenty, but not exactly ripe of a multi-year deal) that plays OT?

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

the o-line overall is in okay shape I think.

it's just the RT spot that has everyone with the bubble guts.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

fanatic, time to move on.....at some point in time you've gotta take the training wheels off the guys already on the roster.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

If those training wheels were on Duke Robinson or Loadholt or any of a slew of available lineman this draft I would agree.....when the training wheels are on guys like Batiste, Williams, Montegomery, and Clark I would think some veteran backups maybe not Runyan (started every game for a team that went to the NFC Championship) but Kendall or Levi Jones wouldn't hurt the cause....bring them in and let them compete for a training camp, if the young guys can play then fine, it won't cost much to cut those guys, if they can't play then you have vets with starting experience behind your vets with injury experience. Going young just for the sake of going young is a good way to get JC killed and have another bad offense, just ask Mr. Suggs.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this is Hall Of Fame weekend- Time Fries When You're Cooked Well-Done..footbaw thyme~!!~

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Please stop it now with the Runyan Creaming.

Runyan = Jansen

Kendall signing on as a RESERVE isn't a bad idea.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse
Still too early to bring in Kendall. He'll still be available in 3 weeks if we need someone. And I agree with Runyan. Used to be great and mean, but injuries have caught up to him.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

the o-line overall is in okay shape I think.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:22 PM

I have a bucket that overall is in okay shape except for a small leak in the bottom.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Hell, I dunno.

Pick your poison.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

fanatic, didn't loadholt drop like a rock in the draft??

whateves, not time to panic, lets see what these cats can do, before we go and make a move.....

recall the JTaylor trade from last year, you never want to have a knee-jerk reaction to an injury.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"...Fred Davis lining up in slot..."


He does run well.

Outside, he gets to move against a linebacker or safety in space.

We hate on Zorn for a percieved lack of creativity, but getting in some formations that allows Fred Davis to use his size and speed is a great idea.

Now if we could just put ARE in a shot gun wildcat formation......nawwww, he'd fair-catch the snap on 2nd down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

the o-line overall is in okay shape I think.

it's just the RT spot that has everyone with the bubble guts.

Posted by: RedDMV


Ummmmm, I think RT leads the way in most anxiety. Game vs justin tuck. But its not like the rest of the OL has been the picture of health.

Runyan and Kendall represent stop gaps. Runyan is coming off a surgery, so I don't know if he's physically ready to practice yet.

Still (and I repeat myself), the difference between an adequate OL that makes it thru the season intact and the potential disaster it could be --- is the difference between 12-4 and 7-9.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, should I be panicking about the O line right now, or should I wait? Or is there something different I should be panicking about?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 4, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

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I believe its actually time to start pancaking. I heard that for every pancake you eat, heyer will get a little less womanly hips.

So please, pancake away

Posted by: -swb | August 4, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Jasno checks in from Redskins training camp:

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811a831d&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I couldn't find any typos. He must have an editor as good a Cindy Boren.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Sore knees and strained muscles during camp aren't going to keep me up at night. As long as the MCLs and the ACLS are still with us we can stick the pin back in the grenade.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

it's just the RT spot that has everyone with the bubble guts.

Posted by: RedDMV

It was that Taco Bell for lunch that gave me the bubble guts. I feel bad for the dude sitting next to me.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 4, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The tackles are the rooks , the quarterback is the king..Portis is the queen..(nah, sike, heheheh)..But we gotta have two solid rooks. We got one..

Posted by: frak | August 4, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Edward Lee of the Baltimore Sun reports Ravens offensive tackle Adam Terry may miss the entire 2009 season due to lingering problems with his right knee.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 4, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmm t_e, makes a helluva lot a sense.

I'll rejoice the day Els is shipped outta here. He'll be the last reminder from the cluster f*** that was him, Archuleta, and Lloyd.

Or Floyd.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

fanatic, didn't loadholt drop like a rock in the draft??

whateves, not time to panic, lets see what these cats can do, before we go and make a move.....

recall the JTaylor trade from last year, you never want to have a knee-jerk reaction to an injury.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I or anyone else has said to go out and trade a 2nd and a 5th rounder for anybody.....I'm saying to bring in veteran help/insurance because of injuries which is something all teams do during training camps. With all of camp and preseason ahead the youngsters will still get plenty of reps and chances to show what they can do, but as injuries mount around the league what little quality is on the scrap heap (levi jones, Kendall, Runyan, etc.) may not be there in 3 weeks if we find out we need them. What's wrong with signing them now to small deals and seeing what happens. I'd feel a lot better about a line with Bridges, Jones, Kendall, Williams, Heyer, and Thomas than what we have right now, if one of the no-names emerges mores the better but just because the Taylor trade was a bad mistake doesn't mean we can't sign quality veteran depth just in case, that's not knee jerk at all, that's prudent.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 4, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

It was that Taco Bell for lunch that gave me the bubble guts. I feel bad for the dude sitting next to me.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

You must've tried the new burrito with the bacon bits and potatoes. I can't remember the name right now.

But you could get a courtesy cup of water from Taco Bell and still have the BGs.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, you definitely should start panicking about something. QUICK! PANIC!

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 4:18 PM

Can someone advise me on what is the most productive thing that we can do when we're in RI-Hamster-Panic-Mode?

1. Blame the front office
2. Talk about guys we didn't draft
3. Talk about guys who are washed up free agents
4. Talk about who we should trade for
5. Talk about next year's draft
6. Fight among ourselves
7. F ChRiS LaRRy
8. Ask Nate what beer he's drinking, Curzon what tequila he's drinking

I agree with the Obama guys who say you should never let a good panic go to waste, although I can't think of a legislative/bailout solution. So, how can we be most helpful and productive in this here panic?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

school'em, bean:


"...recall the JTaylor trade from last year, you never want to have a knee-jerk reaction to an injury..."



Banged up and injured are two totally different things.

And presently, the skins have some banged up players. That's what happens when guys 'hit' everyday.

Let's hope the team doesn't panic and trade away a pick to the lions for Jon Jansen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

The Jason writes: "The Skins, however, used many three-safety alignments last season, so Orakpo likely would not be on the field in those situations. "

Methinks the Skins used many 3-safety alignments because THEY HAD NO PASH RUSH. In many of the situations where Blache went 3 safeties last year, this year Orakpo will likely be on the field with his hand in the dirt, getting ready to play Dexter Manley to Tony Romo's Danny White. Say goodnight, Danny.


Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hmm t_e, makes a helluva lot a sense.

I'll rejoice the day Els is shipped outta here. He'll be the last reminder from the cluster f*** that was him, Archuleta, and Lloyd.

Or Floyd.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse
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I nominate the Redskins free agency acquisitions as the Worst in Decade.

Just started with Trung Candidate and went downhill, didn't it?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 4, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll roll with #6.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 4, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, those are not panic responses ... that is the basic bread and butter of RI. I think "panic" probably is #9.

How long does it take to get better from an MCL tear? Is that the bad one or is ACL the bad one? Mark Tauscher looks to be available, but he tore his MCL during Week 13 last season.

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The Jason writes: "The Skins, however, used many three-safety alignments last season, so Orakpo likely would not be on the field in those situations. "

Methinks the Skins used many 3-safety alignments because THEY HAD NO PASH RUSH. In many of the situations where Blache went 3 safeties last year, this year Orakpo will likely be on the field with his hand in the dirt, getting ready to play Dexter Manley to Tony Romo's Danny White. Say goodnight, Danny.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 4:44 PM

Jasno SHOULD have written "The Skins, however, used many three-safety alignments last season, BECAUSE Orakpo wasn't on the field."

Jasno is among those who don't think that Blache is smart enough adapt and utilize his players effectively.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

... getting ready to play Dexter Manley to Tony Romo's Danny White.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 4, 2009 4:44 PM

LaVar and Troy Aikman have a problem with assigning Romo to the Manley-White treatment.

Posted by: dcsween | August 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

1. Blame the front office
2. Talk about guys we didn't draft
3. Talk about guys who are washed up free agents
4. Talk about who we should trade for
5. Talk about next year's draft
6. Fight among ourselves

thats about as accurate as you could ask for....you could flip 2, and 3 up 1 spot each, and put 1, back at #3....

moe, yup, there is injured, and there is banged up.....lets get an actual diagnosis on Heyer before we do anything...kind of like how yesterday AH was being fitted for a prosthetic leg, yet today is able to practice......weird...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"....So, how can we be most helpful and productive in this here panic?"

Perspective is always better than panic.

Tons of dudes who post in this blog have played fudball on some level and know that August practices generate a lot of soreness, aches, and pains.

They also know that once the preseason gets going, the hitting gets cut back, and the numbers of banged up players reduces.

Let the skins' FO bring in more bodies to get beat up so Thomas, Heyer, et al can recover from their bruises.

But the team shouldn't panic.

That's the job of the dudes who post in this blog who lack perspective.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 4, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Personally, Nate, I think you should be panicking about the condition of the port-a-pottys at Ashburn, since at least one player has been spotted disdaining the jonny on the spot for the woods already.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 4, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
Is it a lack of perspective or just a lack of confidence in the front office? I don't think they need to panic either, but I don't think they have done enough due diligence in getting the best offensive tackles signed. It's like they've said, "Mediocre is good enough."

Good teams never bypass talent. When the Patriots brought in Randy Moss, I didn't know if he could still play but I thought they were set at receiver. Every year New England seems to find another receiver to add to their collection and every year they use the guy well. Why can't we be like that for offensive linemen? Why should the team settle for mediocre?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 4, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

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