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Play-Calling Isn't the Only Problem

The loss of Randy Thomas is another blow to an offensive line that has struggled to start the season. It was highly unlikely that Thomas, who underwent neck and knee surgeries in the offseason, would make it through the season. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel expressed concern about Thomas in the preseason after he experienced knee pain, and Coach Jim Zorn acknowledged that Thomas would have to take it easy at times during the week. And then Thomas suffers a season-ending torn right triceps against the Rams.

Right tackle Stephon Heyer has performed poorly in pass protection at key moments in the first two games and been ineffective in run blocking, league sources said, and center Casey Rabach was not especially effective in the running game against the Rams. Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels still is the team's best lineman, but how long will his knee hold up? Second-year guard Chad Rinehart showed promise at times in the preseason, and will move into the starting lineup in place of Thomas, but he has never played in a regular-season game.

"It just a tough situation right now," quarterback Jason Campbell said. "To lose the experience a guy like Randy brings ... you definitely don't want to lose that. Rinehart is a young guy, he showed some good things, and we have confidence in everybody we put out there. But Randy is a big loss."

In their internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins identified the offensive line as their main deficiency. Thomas sat out most of the 2007 season because of a left triceps injury and was slowed by neck and knee problems in 2008. But the Redskins would have taken a $9.6 million salary-cap hit if they released him, so that wasn't an option.

In the offseason, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth received $41 million guaranteed and cornerback DeAngelo Hall almost $23 million guaranteed. In the biggest addition for the offensive line, the Redskins signed tackle Mike Williams, who hasn't played in a regular-season game since 2005.

Is it Zorn's fault the people in charge of player personnel have not appropriately addressed an offensive line clearly in need of help? I don't think it can be overstated what a bad job management has done constructing and replenishing the offensive line.

Anyone who reads the Insider, or the print edition of our sports section, knows we've written a lot about the Redskins' draft philosophy. Jason La Canfora and I combined on a long story in the previous offseason in which we compared the Redskins' approach to that of others teams.

Under owner Daniel Snyder, our reporting showed the Redskins have not built their line through the drafts as others have. Is the Redskins' approach successful? Well, judge for yourselves: They've failed to qualify for the playoffs in seven of Snyder's 10 seasons as owner.

As I wrote in another recent post, the Redskins haven't been a consistent offensive force since the days of Joe Gibbs 1.0. Former play-caller Al Saunders directed a big-time offense while with the Kansas City Chiefs, but he came to Washington and couldn't get it done. Regardless what you think of Saunders, that's just a fact.

I'm not saying Zorn does not deserve some of the blame for the Redskins' current problems on offense. I disagree with his reasoning for attempting that end-around option pass on the second play of the season in the opener against the New York Giants and the halfback-option pass against the St. Louis Rams.

But is it Zorn's fault that wide receiver Devin Thomas and fullback Mike Sellers couldn't come up with catches in the end zone early against the Rams? Is it his fault he's working with a roster that doesn't have nearly the amount of talent as some of the people in the big offices at Redskins Park seem to believe? I mean, really, what's the expectation level around here with the way they've constructed the team?

Gibbs won three Super Bowls in his first stint with Washington. The best he could do under Snyder was a 10-victory season and one playoff win in 2005. Gibbs also went 9-7 in 2007 and qualified for the playoffs, but the Redskins were 6-10 under him in 2004 and 5-11 in 2006.

From what people around here often tell me, there never has been a better coach in any sport than Gibbs, and the Redskins weren't that good despite all his football knowledge and Snyder's money. Washington hasn't won as many as 11 games since it went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl under Gibbs after the 1991 season.

My point is, this has not been an elite franchise in a long, long time, and that's not Zorn's fault. As for Zorn's spread offense and play-calling, well, that is on him.

By Jason Reid  |  September 22, 2009; 10:30 AM ET
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Comments

FIRST to say there are MANY problems this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Watch out for dem Lions. They think they're going to win this week...

http://www.freep.com/article/20090922/SPORTS01/909220338/1049/rss14

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Something wrong with a trend I see though..all the debbie downers here at RI are openly liberals? And though I don't vote and support Anarchy, I've noticed throughout my life that although conservatives have their issues, it's always the liberals that preach doom, like you!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc

Uh-huh. And Conservatives bring about the doom Liberals preach about, or did you sleep through the eight years of the Bush Administration?

Yeah I know I hate discussing politics on a board dedicated to curing the deeom of the Redskins, but he started it!

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

FACT: Good teams build from the line up.

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Our insider thinks Mike Williams was a bigger addition than Dockery. God help us.

Posted by: themantoyou | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

No some of this is on Zorn. Sorry play calling. Not coming up with simple plays to use the talent of the WR. Yes, the line is a big problme but in no way does Zorn get a pass. One more thing. The hate on Heyer I am not understanding. JC hasn't been sack more than twice if I am not mistaken and the fumble during the G Men game came from the other side of line.

Posted by: jm220 | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

What they're saying about us:

Before the season, I picked the Lions' losing streak to end at home against the Redskins -- 28-24 was the score -- and I'm sticking to it this week. Jim Zorn's offense has one touchdown in two games. And the Redskins were booed off the field Sunday after a 9-7 win over St. Louis.

-Jon Niyo, The Detroit News

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Our insider thinks Mike Williams was a bigger addition than Dockery. God help us.

Posted by: themantoyou

Forgot about that point thanks for brining that up as well.

Posted by: jm220 | September 22, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

After looking at the still-pictures from Danny Smith's solo tackle of Jim Zorn, I think we've found our new head coach:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/breaking_down_jim_zorns_failed.html

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And though I don't vote and support Anarchy...

POSTED BY: Vicc

You're kinda like Robert Henson, who's never played a down in the NFL, criticizing Fans. When you don't vote you lose your right to criticize the political views of those who do.

And you SUPPORT Anarchy? Like all the other anarchists? Let me know when you next meeting is? Are there dues in your anarchist world? If someone breaks into your home at 3 AM, do you call an Anarchist instead of a cop?

Seriously, Anarchy Dude, thanks for a good laugh this morning!

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

A 19 game home losing streak does have to end, at some point?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The problem with this organization is the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with any organization - it starts at the top.

If your leader is inept, your organization is inept.

Not only is danny inept, he:

1. is greedy beyond description - see ticket sales issues and prices at FedEx Field
2. is foolish -he signs any bright shiny player he can and fails to ponder why other teams do not do the same
3. refuses to take advice that he doesn't want to hear - it's not like he has to re-invent the wheel to have a good team but that is what he tries to do!
4. has world class arrogance - do I really have to provide examples?

Posted by: oldnova | September 22, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

After several years as a redskins fan, I finalized realized something: The redskins are a mediocre team. If you use that as your starting point, you won't be shocked that they could only score 3 FGs against the Rams. Or that their o-line, at the start of the season, was just 1 injury away from having Mike Williams starting. Sure our owner and management talk a big game but if you look critically at ALL aspects of the Redskins organization, you'll find that there's absolutely nothing first-class about them. So why are we shocked that we spent over $140 million to improve the #4 ranked defense and only added 1 serviceable o-line man when everybody (including us) knew our problem was o-line? Why are people shocked when the Redskins can't properly organize parking and moving people in and out of the stadium? When have the redskins done anything that was the envy of the league?

Posted by: tundey | September 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Lets not forget the first time for Gibbs he had a GM, the second time for Gibbs he tried to be the GM.

So his record the second time around is on him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Our insider thinks Mike Williams was a bigger addition than Dockery. God help us.

Posted by: themantoyou | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

BMW *is* a bigger addition than Dockery. About four hundred pounds bigger.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Apparently Randy Thomas was also the most vocal locker room leader.

Being injured shouldn't affect this aspect of his game.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I call this the "Proof that Ceratto is a bad GM"

Given: Only teams with solid O-lines win the Superbowl.

1. The skins have an incomplete O-line with no depth and recurring health problems
2. VC has been here for 10 years
3. It takes 2-3 years of focused effort to rebuild a solid o-line.
4. VC has not fixed the O-line problem within 10 years

Therefore: VC cannot identify the "given", or VC does not know how to acquire a talented o-line, or VC does not want to win the superbowl, In any of those cases, VC is a bad GM.

Proven. Fire him.

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"If someone breaks into your home at 3 AM"

Someone dies...plain and simple, and it aint gonna be me......

I think that its being reported that Sims, the Lions LB is out for this game, which is a good thing. Need to get the toss sweep/stretch plays going this week....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You're kinda like Robert Henson, who's never played a down in the NFL, criticizing Fans. When you don't vote you lose your right to criticize the political views of those who do.

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 10:42 AM |

Two points:

Henson only criticized those fans who work at McDonalds. Those of us who deliver pizzas, he likes.

On RI you have a right to criticize anything. Exhibit A: TheCork.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 22, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs 1.0 was successful because he had The Hogs. Every one else has since failed because they all were given The Hams. Lets get some new Hogs.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | September 22, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Is today save Jim Zorn's job day?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

call this the "Proof that Ceratto is a bad GM"

Given: Only teams with solid O-lines win the Superbowl.

1. The skins have an incomplete O-line with no depth and recurring health problems
2. VC has been here for 10 years
3. It takes 2-3 years of focused effort to rebuild a solid o-line.
4. VC has not fixed the O-line problem within 10 years

Therefore: VC cannot identify the "given", or VC does not know how to acquire a talented o-line, or VC does not want to win the superbowl, In any of those cases, VC is a bad GM.

Proven. Fire him.

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 10:45 AM |

The Steelers won the SB last year ask big Ben how good there O-Line is, he was sacked more than JC.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I mean, really, what's the expectation level around here with the way they've constructed the team?

By Jason Reid

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In case you haven't noticed, the exception level is set at zero.

I support Jim Zen, but he seems all together out of touch.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow Jason Reid. You act as if Washington is the only team with lack of depth and questionable health on the O-line. It's football dude. But instead of beating this dead horse again (o-line) you should compare the Redskins with other NFL teams. How many touchdowns did Tom Brady throw last week. Please if you are to question anything ask "what offensive adjustments are being made to address our weaknesses?" Predictability loses games.

Posted by: katiebabe461 | September 22, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Enough kill the messenger, wow. Yeah JLC, the mayor, insert writer X are the reason its been a long 16 seasons.

Repost:

"thanks, BG. just a note...my reply wasnt suppossed to be snarky, just a little my eyes layer to the stat sheet...

I am in nice guy mode, this blog is too mean lately!

Posted by: chrislarry

Posted by: chrislarry | September 22, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Why, again, did the skins select Fred Davis, Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly in the second round of the 2008 draft? Was Jim Zorn not the head ball coach? Was he not the guy who defended the selection of FD because his offense relies heavily on two TE sets? And, why, if you have any faith in your scouting department, do you select 2 WRs? The head coach cannot be free from blame for these selections unless there are facts that allow us to conclude that he plays absolutely no role in selecting personnel.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 22, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather a dissertation on your Trojans. Did we cover that yet?

Posted by: AdamCr | September 22, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I have reread the post by Jason Reid.

and it's a giant heap of rhetorical rubbish.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Plaxico Burress Sentenced to Prison

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 22, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Where is Jason LaCanfora when you need him most?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

cl, no worries....

agreed about predictability katie, come out in the spread, run the no huddle the whole first half, roll JC out of the pocket, do something that the lions wont be expecting. Not sure who their CB's are, but there should be passing yards to be had on Sunday.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

It's Zorn's job to find a way to maximize what talent they do have.

In his 18 games they've moved the ball well between the 20's. So the O-Line seems to work fine . . . until the redzone when play calling is the key to touchdowns.

And . . . if you've got a suspect O-line why do you dial up run after run instead of being more creative?

The Redskins have the tools. Zorn has to find the magic to cross the 20 and score with the tools he has at hand.

Posted by: kmag1 | September 22, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

my knees are sweet and I play indoors, so there aren't any bikini's about.

Posted by: kost52 | September 22, 2009 10:44 AM

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Nuff said.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Detroit has a terrible secondary and a rookie QB, not to mention they don't know how to win. The skins can pass the ball. Our receivers will have a big day on that fast turf. Stop cryin and just be happy we got a chance to compile some wins against a soft early schedule to build some confidence. I think after all the hooplah and sh*t talking Zorn has heard this week, he has no choice but to bust out some more aggressive pass calls in the red zone.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 22, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

It's execution. That's the problem.

Wes Welker or Reggie Wayne catch the passes that Mike Sellers and Devin Thomas dropped. Sonny Jurgenson says he wouldn't have called a particular red zone play, but he forgets that if he were the QB, the coach probably wouldn't have, either.

Randy Thomas was an injury waiting to happen. He's an inspirational leader, but Rinehart or Montgomery bring energy and good health. Folks here have been pushing for a younger line -- well, it's getting younger by the day.

We knew going into the season that the line would be a little better at pass blocking and a little worse at blocking for the run. That was the idea -- protect Jason so he could throw downfield. The running game would benefit because of the improved air game.

Works OK in theory. But you have to execute.

Remember how enthused everyone was about Marko Mitchell? That's because he caught the ball in the end zone. Maybe it's time to activate him.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Betts: Man that dog just can't hunt. I still like Mason, but he fizzled in his few reps.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 22, 2009 10:33 AM

Amazingly botched spelling of the word "benefitting" aside, I have no idea why you'd say this when Betts had a huge screen play that set up one of the team's few scores. Three yards per rush isn't awe-inspiring, but it ain't awful either. Especially when the dude got only 4 carries.

Betts is probably done here for a variety of reasons...Sunday's performance ain't one of 'em.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Before the season, I picked the Lions' losing streak to end at home against the Redskins -- 28-24 was the score -- and I'm sticking to it this week. Jim Zorn's offense has one touchdown in two games. And the Redskins were booed off the field Sunday after a 9-7 win over St. Louis.

-Jon Niyo, The Detroit News

Posted by: Chia_Pet


Wow, talk about a Pollyanna, chia. This Jon Niyo guy thinks the Redskins will score three touchdowns, Sunday!

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers won the SB last year ask big Ben how good there O-Line is, he was sacked more than JC.

Posted by: Flounder21

Fair enough, I guess they're the exception to the rule. I guess I'd have to modify it to say "and without the #1 defense". But then maybe that's what VC was going for when he neglected the offense this year. I still think you go with the rule rather than the exception.

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Oh, DeAngelo Hall is supposed to be on ESPN First Take (and last in the ratings) in a few mins...I'll let you all know particulars when he comes on.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2734185&id=529092333

Here is my take on what we learned from the game.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think that its being reported that Sims, the Lions LB is out for this game, which is a good thing. Need to get the toss sweep/stretch plays going this week....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

Agreed beantown, was wondering where the stretch plays were this season? There has to be some OL out there that we can at least try out, why all of a sudden is the FO not wanting to spend money on talent or even capable bodies?? I am all for giving Rinehart an opportunity, still scratching my head, why he was inactive and BMW was active?

I for one, hope Zorn works out as well as JC, but I do think we need an OC - what about Holmgren or another individual being an Offensive consultant, dont teams do that, sometimes...I think someone else in here mentioned that at one point.

Posted by: mhartz1 | September 22, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I am in nice guy mode, this blog is too mean lately!

Posted by: chrislarry

Blame it on you and RedDMV......

Let's worry about not losing to the Lions. our next 4 games are against oppennents without a win this year.....Wow....

@Greg - That's always the plan.....But it has to be executed (3am - whose not coming out alive)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Reid,

Give your NFL sources a rest, unless you can tell us that they have watched film of every play Heyer has had then there info is a useless as ours.

Heyer has played well, but to admit that means you and your buddy JLC would be wrong.

JLC is gone stop talking about him in every post you make, if you want to ride his jock call him or something.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I rewatched the game last night and realized it was more the players fault than anything else. Execution was terrible. CP26 was a beast, but the plan, IMO, seems to be save CP26 until the 2nf half of the season.........

If we fail in execution this week, we lose to the rams.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Cant spell lions with out L

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

It's execution. That's the problem.

Posted by: Samson 151


Reminds me of the old coach who was asked after a bad loss:

QUESTION: "What do you think about your team's execution?"

ANSWER: "I'd be in favor of it."

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

4th, laser sight my friend...

I'm curious if JZ would entertain input from Holmgren....if the opportunity presented itself...if ownership approached jz, and put this out there, brought Holmgren in on a short term basis to help JZ get the offense running, what the reaction would be......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

WAIT ONE MINUTE. WAIT WAIT WAIT...

I actually just read this post, and the Oline is being blamed??!!? OMFG. Seriously. The Oline?

They and CP have been the ONLY bright spot so far in this season on the offense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I say we run left.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

BG,

I think he would have a fit, and cry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"In the biggest addition for the offensive line, the Redskins signed tackle Mike Williams, who hasn't played in a regular-season game since 2005.
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Wouldn't that be Dockery? He does start, you know....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Let's worry about not losing to the Lions.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 10:59 AM

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No.

Let's worry.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

flound, I don't know what to think, I think JZ and Holmgren have a good relationship, I don't know how JZ could turn 'help' down however....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

We barely beat Detroit last year when we were playing well. Needed a punt return for TD to seal that up. If we end their losing streak that cements us as a bottom 5 team in this league along with them Cleveland, St. Louis, etc. I am half expecting it.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it can be overstated what a bad job management has done constructing and replenishing the offensive line.

--JASON REID, RI

I haven't seen a turnabout like this since Rick let Ilsa go at the end of Casablanca.

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Sorry 4th, but I think I misread your "let's worry about NOT losing to the Lions."

This means we should not worry about not winning, or that we should not worry about losing?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

WAIT ONE MINUTE. WAIT WAIT WAIT...

I actually just read this post, and the Oline is being blamed??!!? OMFG. Seriously. The Oline?

They and CP have been the ONLY bright spot so far in this season on the offense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:06 AM |

4th,

If they don't blame the o-line then the two Jason's can't brag about there big report early last year.

They also can't blame everything on Vinny unless this is mostly the o-Lines fault.

Of love how he mentions Gibss couldn't win the second time around, and hints that it is Vinny's fault. He leaves out the part where Gibbs was the GM not Vinny.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Cant spell lions with out L

Posted by: alex35332

Can't spell Washington without sh*t on :(

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

repost:

My impersenation of Jim Zorn as a child


Mr & Mrs. Zorn: Jim we need to talk, your english teacher called and said you received an F on your english paper, how could this happen?

Jim Zorn: Well when I wrote it I wrote it to get an A

Mr.& Mrs. Zorn: But you didnt get an A

Jim Zorn: Yeah, but when I wrote it that was the intention.

Mr. & Mrs. Zorn: Well what do you think happened?

Jim Zorn: I dont know but I am going to review the paper and see where the teacher went wrong in the grading.

Mr. & Mrs. Zorn: What do you mean the teacher are you going to review your paper for your mistakes

Jim Zorn: Why would I do that, I told you when I wrotet it I wrote it to recieve an A so there must have been some missed execution on the teachers part in grading.

Mr. & Mrs Zorn: WHAT

Jim Zorn: here's what I do know there is still some positives that can be taken out of this F paper, First I spelled my name right. Second I got the date right, and turned it in on time, and I even turned it in on colored paper so it would stick out to the teacher.

Mr. & Mrs Zorn: Jim go to your room

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"They and CP have been the ONLY bright spot so far in this season on the offense."

What bright spot has CP been? His 4 YPC, 70 yards per game, and 0 TDs?

I know you don't like JC, but be real here...if JC has been underwhelming, then CP has DEFINITELY been underwhelming. Especially in the red zone.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

[confused]

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ Great One

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Good post. Can't be repeated enough.

Posted by: rfjh1 | September 22, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I am not worried about the Lions for a different reason. Of the NFL's 32 teams I have them on my list of teams most likely to move to another city in 20 years thanks to the death of the economy in Detroit.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Great One. You've earned your handle with that one.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

And I thought Jim Zen was crapping the bed on purpose.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Using Reid's logic, Jim Zorn can never be held accountable. Neither can any other HC that Danny brings in.

I forgot Jim Zorn is the only HC in the league with a bad offensive line and management.

It all makes sense. Jim Zorn shouldn't adjust his play calling to his players strengths or what is working. He should call the plays he wants and then blame players for not executing them if things go badly.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't these questions asked when it comes to Campbell????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He ultimately gets the credit for things he can't control.

I mean it was so funny to watch Tom Brady lose and for commentators to come up with so many creative excuses. This is the GREAT Tom Brady. He brought them from behind against the Bills!!!! Yeah right.
The Bills gave him that game and no Welker and pressure showed he ain't so great when he has ONLY the time every other QB has or less.

The skins NEVER should have selected Zorn.
Plenty of talent out there and they picked this guy. It should be an insult to the integrity of coaching considering his lack of experience in that area. I'm not talking just African Americans. I'm talking about all the coaches who were passed over for this guy.

If you replace Zorn who will control what people can't blame him for????? The same person???? So... then... maybe... you need a new owner. And more Native American freindly at that by changing the name. ;)

Posted by: bbg_isback | September 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Better that Randy goes down now actually . . . should give Chad or Montgomery crucial experience in the 1st half of the season.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What bright spot has CP been? His 4 YPC, 70 yards per game, and 0 TDs?

I know you don't like JC, but be real here...if JC has been underwhelming, then CP has DEFINITELY been underwhelming. Especially in the red zone.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yea I guess it is Portis' fault that Zorn is taking his touches away to rest him for the second half of the year.

It is hard for Portis to score when MM is getting carries inside the 10 or when Zorn calls for him to through a pass instead of run the ball.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

ChiaPet - I am now confused. I meant it's time to focus on Detriot and not breaking their 19-game losing streak....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Iposted it yesterday,

sit CP for a game and watch what he does the nest three weeks. He was doing nothing a couple years ago and BMitch called him out and he was a beast after that. Give Betts and Mason a shot and see what kind of spark you get.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Sorry 4th.

Agreed.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

sit CP for a game and watch what he does the nest three weeks....

Post of the day...just awesome....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

What bright spot has CP been? His 4 YPC, 70 yards per game, and 0 TDs?

I know you don't like JC, but be real here...if JC has been underwhelming, then CP has DEFINITELY been underwhelming. Especially in the red zone.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2009 11:12 AM

The difference is JC touches the ball every play. CP only touches the ball when his # is called. And rewatching the Rams game yesterday, CP and the line did their thing when it was time to run. And the OLine kept JC clean and time to throw and run.

Calling sweeps inside the 10 yrd line is strictly Zorn's fault. The should have been running some gut/down/dive plays. Mano a MAno (or whateves).

MMason missed the hole his 1st 2 carries. But, he was prob nervous. And BEtts sucks (@ getting handoffs).

JC didn't lose the game for us and I thought I saw improvement over the 1st game......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Today: JReid - Offensive line is a huge problem.

Sunday: Rinehart or Montgomery holds their own, performs well.

Monday: JReid - Lions pass rush was awful, does not praise Rinehart or Montgomery.

JReid - your sh*t gets old...just like JLC.

Posted by: atkinsoncd | September 22, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

It is hard for Portis to score when MM is getting carries inside the 10 or when Zorn calls for him to through a pass instead of run the ball.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What are you talking about they called 10/15 runs in inside the red zone last game, and he is only averaging 3-4 carries less a game (12-16 yards)

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers' O-line is actually very good - Roethlisberger admits that the sacks are generally on him as a result of spending so much time in the pocket looking for a receiver and protection can only last so long. It was mentioned during the NBC kickoff broadcast that routinely apologizes to the line for making them look bad.

We should be so lucky!

Posted by: skipper7 | September 22, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

FACT: Despite what many here may believe, lots of "good" teams are having offensive line problems this year (see: Steelers & Patriots).

That said, the Redskins DO need take more chances with their draft picks (Which entails keeping their picks) on o-line though.

Posted by: Jason10 | September 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

What are you talking about they called 10/15 runs in inside the red zone last game, and he is only averaging 3-4 carries less a game (12-16 yards)

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm wrong but I remember Marcus Mason getting 2 consecutive carries inside or at the 10 yd line. Someone was complaining about Portis having 0 td's I was only stating that it's hard to score from the sideline or when your # isn't called.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"JC didn't lose the game for us and I thought I saw improvement over the 1st game......

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Good to see you acknowledging this. The ball is moving for both of them between the 20s. In the red zone, both of them are being subject to poor playcalling. That should work itself out (hopefully).

All is not doom and gloom, despite what the vocal crowd on RI want you to believe.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"The Steelers won the SB last year ask big Ben how good there O-Line is, he was sacked more than JC."

Half of the sacks Big Ben takes are on him. He's admitted it...just how he plays, he'll make some big plays and he'll take some sacks.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 22, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I've said it before and will repeat it one more time, the way the Redskins are going to be competitive is to lock Snider and Cerato in their offices and hire a General Manager, someone that can recognize talent and ability. Look at the Giants defensive line...we can't even pronounce the name of some of their linemen who came from Troy. We don't even know where Troy is. Often times the big names are big busts. Get a GM.
We have one living 10 miles from Ashburn, Charlie Casserly. How about Mike Holmgren.
Get rid of Zorn. On monday morning he points out what they should have done during the game. Can't he see what's happening live or must he look at film to know?
GET RID OF PORTIS.

Posted by: jokar21438 | September 22, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo basically said Henson is an idiot rookie and doesn't know what he's talking about. Says Skins fans are some of the best and that the players need to give the fans something to cheer about. The clown interviewing him gave him a chance to throw Zorn under the bus and he didn't. Otherwise, it's pretty much all the normal canned stuff players say to the media.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

All is not doom and gloom...

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2009 11:32 AM

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Gloom and doom.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Every team has weaknesses. Gotta go to the strengths of your players. If Reinhart is better run blocker, use him to pull and put Fred Davis or Mike Sellers in to help him pass block. Or run some screen passes to keep defenses from teeing off.

The Mayor keeps harping that there have been no draft picks on the O-line, but Reinhard was a 3rd rounder last year. Now is the time to see if he was worth it. Hopefully he will step up.

I think Zorn has not figured out what this offense is good at yet.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 22, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Is it Zorn's fault the people in charge of player personnel have not appropriately addressed an offensive line clearly in need of help? I don't think it can be overstated what a bad job management has done constructing and replenishing the offensive line."

Is it his fault? No. But if your job and career and scheme depended upon having a line capable of executing your gameplan, AND you have an aging and injury prone line, then it is certainly on the Coach to DEMAND that the position be addressed, instead of what he did this off-season which is turn a blind eye and repeat "This year we will stay healthy". And here we are......

Posted by: keino83 | September 22, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the team will forge an identity in opposition to its own fan base - mabye the booing could act as a surrogate for the leadership vacuum.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hall's coverage skills are suspect, but in every interview I've seen, he has been nothing short of contrite.

Respect...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Mason had 3 runs one inside the skins 20, 2 in the mid field according to NFL.com, posted above.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I think DC hasn't lost to the Lions since the 1960's.

From stat man Boswell yesterday, " One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent.

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower. " Todd Collins career % is 3.4 on 651 attempts; 4.8 in 2007. Funny how Saunders' O worked when he played as it probably would w/ Zorn's. Spare me the career backup stuff because Soupy will probably be a backup for the rest of his career after this season. DC needs a right now guy. There are older QB's that have won Super Bowls so give the ageism a rest too.

HTTR

Posted by: Realness1 | September 22, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

JReid..
I have to disagree with you here..mayor..
Its very much Zorn's fault that the Skins are in this OLine predicament. He was on board during the Draft Days of the last two years.... So, unless he has sold his soul so completely to Snyder that he is no more than a shill of a Head Coach, he should of stepped up and demanded some OLine Quality Drafts, or Trades.
On tha same note... where has Buges been on Draft Day the last 3 years?? How could he sit at home and watch Vinny run after more worthless picks and ignore rebuilding the Hogs?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 22, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I think DC hasn't lost to the Lions since the 1960's.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 22, 2009 11:40 AM

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Jinx.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 22, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs was the GM he did not draft to many o-lineman either. Gibbs could have rebuilt the Hogs he was here for 4 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Mason had 3 runs one inside the skins 20, 2 in the mid field according to NFL.com, posted above.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

My apologies to Marcus Mason. I didn't know NFL.com broke down the carries by field position.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Please help. What did I miss?

At the end of the game, the Rams went for it on 4th down from the 4 yard line and threw an incomplete pass. When the Redskins got the ball, the line of scrimmage was the 9 yard line. How did we lose 5 yards so quick?

Re Henson's Twits: For a team that sues its season ticket holders who can't pay up, I don't see a problem when fans who paid big money to see a game boo the home team when they suck.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 22, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm just so mad that mason got carries....dangit...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

My apologies to Marcus Mason. I didn't know NFL.com broke down the carries by field position.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I think that its relatively new. Great data especially when you get to the end of the year and are trying to figure out what happened, or went wrong or right. They don't break it down by game I don't think but its cool to get info.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It's called kneeling on the ball you lose about 2 yards a pop.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If someone breaks into your home at 3 AM, do you call an Anarchist instead of a cop?

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 10:42 AM

If someone breaks into my home at 3AM I'm not calling the police, I'm calling the coroner.

Posted by: ecale25 | September 22, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs was the GM he did not draft to many o-lineman either. Gibbs could have rebuilt the Hogs he was here for 4 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:45 AM

6 years ago(Gibbs 2.0 1st season), The Oline were in their late 20s and had high cap values back then. Rabach was signed as a high price free agent in 2005. And dockery was a serviceable 3rd round pick who jetted for the money........

SO, he couldn't really do anything at the time. The Redskins actually were frequently name as having one of the best OLines.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers' O-line is actually very good - Roethlisberger admits that the sacks are generally on him as a result of spending so much time in the pocket looking for a receiver and protection can only last so long. It was mentioned during the NBC kickoff broadcast that routinely apologizes to the line for making them look bad.

We should be so lucky!

Posted by: skipper7 | September 22, 2009 11:28 AM


Whoa there Skipper...let's not get crazy here. Ben is at fault for a lot of his sacks, but he's alsosupposed to say that, he loses that huddle the first time he even sounds like he's throwing that line under the bus. Truth is, that line is average at best. To say it's "very good" is nothing short of delusional.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

It was first down from the 9. We didn't kneel down yet but we were five yards back from where the line of scrimmage was when the Rams hiked the ball on 4th down.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Please help. What did I miss?

At the end of the game, the Rams went for it on 4th down from the 4 yard line and threw an incomplete pass. When the Redskins got the ball, the line of scrimmage was the 9 yard line. How did we lose 5 yards so quick?

Re Henson's Twits: For a team that sues its season ticket holders who can't pay up, I don't see a problem when fans who paid big money to see a game boo the home team when they suck.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 22, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092008/2009/REG2/rams@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

See: (1:32) PENALTY on WAS-17-J.Campbell, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at SL 4 - No Play.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

its been obvious for a long time that the ownership is to blame for the redskins failure and complete lack of future. The only solution is a boycott. he'll never leave until this particular venture is unprofitable. it's the only measure of control we have

Posted by: batigol85 | September 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

brown,

for once we agree.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

As a diehard fan it pains me to see my fellow redskin fans, speak with such disgust and angst towards the team. I too feel your pain, I too want to see more out of the team. Before the season started i picked the skins to go 12-4 and win the NFC East, but now i realize that was new season excitement, reality has set in and my beloved skins will not dissappoint witha 7-9 record. My expectations have dropped and i nolonger get frustrated because i can recognize what is about to unfold this season. So to all my fellow redskin fans lose HOPE, cheer for the positive plays and expect the failed ones. This is not a winning organization and nothing is going to change this season. I'm more curious about what happens at the end of the season.....

Posted by: russelljharris | September 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm just so mad that mason got carries....dangit...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm not mad that mason got carries. I was only defending Portis because he was being called underwhelming based on his numbers.

When the plan is to rest him his numbers will go down if he is losing 4-5 touches per game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

We could have and should have gotten Jared Gaither from Maryland with a fifth round pick in the Supplemental Draft back in 2007. Look at all the draft picks we have made since than that didn't even make our team. He had all the potential in the world coming out early. Now he's a starter with the Ravens at tackle. He's only 6'9 340 pounds and only 23 years young. We need to build our offensive line like the Ravens have. And no I'm not a Ravens fan. Our management dosen't seem to want to draft offensive lineman early in the draft.

Posted by: mole | September 22, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

pps, I was kidding...it ruined my arguement against mason....red will understand...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

mole, what's Stephon Heyer??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

pps, I was kidding...it ruined my arguement against mason....red will understand...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

got it...understood you were joking..just thought u were calling out my posts cuz some of them today have been anti-MM.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Alex.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I think DC hasn't lost to the Lions since the 1960's.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 22, 2009 11:40 AM


Completely untrue. They've NEVER lost to the Lions IN WASHINGTON. In Detroit, the Skins lost there in 1999 and 2000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Beggs the question,
How does one get a delay of game from the kneel down formation?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm just so mad that mason got carries....dangit...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 11:47 AM

It's so unfair after you'd perfected your rap. You probably had it programmed into your computer: CTRL ALT F4. But next time he runs it he'll probably get stuffed for a three yard loss and you can come back with "Mason and I have the same number of net yards in the NFL." Plan B: "Mason has only carried X more times than I have." That will work up to about 10 or 15 carries.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

brown,

for once we agree.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 11:52 AM


C'mon Flound, weren't you the one that hates beer too? We agreed on that!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to all those who wrote in to the Post to voice their concerns about the offensive comments posted by Peaceful2008. I don't think we'll be seeing him on here again.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Flound, weren't you the one that hates beer too? We agreed on that!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 12:01 PM |

My bad you are correct, beer is nasty Southern Comfort is good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to all those who wrote in to the Post to voice their concerns about the offensive comments posted by Peaceful2008. I don't think we'll be seeing him on here again.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 22, 2009 12:01 PM

Wasn't he the same guy who was posting as FIREJIMZORN?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 22, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Another point on bad coaching: There was a post a little bit ago about how Zorn and Blanch hate using rookies. They don't trust them and they'd rather sit them out a year.

I see good teams using their rookies, I've seen it for YEARS. Many teams don't draft rooks to be backups that will eventually be starters when your tired old vets have had enough, instead they use their rookies. Look around the league and you'll see a lot of rookies (WR especially) really contributing strongly to their team. The Giants and Indy are two standouts, and how bout the Bills o-line with two rookie guards starting.

This team needs to trust it's youth and get them involved, stop leaning on injured veterans if they aren't performing.

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about a Pollyanna, chia. This Jon Niyo guy thinks the Redskins will score three touchdowns, Sunday!

Posted by: TheCork
________________________

Sure...

Hunter the Punter gets his 2nd of the season by rolling right and then throwing - across his body, mind you - a laser spiral to the left corner of the endzone, hitting a wide-open DT between the numbers.

The defense get the other 2 TD's off batted balls.

I can see it, yeah.

This offense is so impotent it'll need a full case of the little blue pills just to run out of the tunnel at the start of the game.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 22, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to all those who wrote in to the Post to voice their concerns about the offensive comments posted by Peaceful2008. I don't think we'll be seeing him on here again.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 22, 2009 12:01 PM

Wasn't he the same guy who was posting as FIREJIMZORN?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 22, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

That I don't know. I don't read the comments very often but the Peaceful2008 guy went way over the line with racial comments and hoping for comas and terminal cancer for certain Redskins. Enough was enough, he had to go.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

But instead of beating this dead horse again (o-line) you should compare the Redskins with other NFL teams. How many touchdowns did Tom Brady throw last week....

Posted by: katiebabe461 | September 22, 2009 10:48 AM

This comparison is pretty favorable for the Skins. Brady threw 0 TDs and 1 INT.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 22, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

You disappeared him? Look at you!

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 22, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I think DC hasn't lost to the Lions since the 1960's.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 22, 2009 11:40 AM


Completely untrue. They've NEVER lost to the Lions IN WASHINGTON. In Detroit, the Skins lost there in 1999 and 2000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 11:58 AM

Thanks. Twice in 40 years?

Posted by: Realness1 | September 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Does team management read these awfully intelligent and meaningful posts? All of you posters are super smart with a prodigious assemblage of ideas, all of which should be used by the Redskins. If they did use your ideas, the team would be 16-0 after the season and all of you should receive 2 free season tickets for 20 years plus 1000 scratchers each. But here folks is the best idea of all of youse ideas. If we're hurting on the O-line and Lorenzo Alexander has filled in there from time to time, then use the guy full time on the O-line because we have enough good D linesmen. It's Super Bowl time, baby.

Posted by: getitritegov | September 22, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

How long before BMW supplants Heyer at RT? I think that is the unspoken plan.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 22, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 22, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Completely untrue. They've NEVER lost to the Lions IN WASHINGTON. In Detroit, the Skins lost there in 1999 and 2000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2009 11:58 AM

I remember Stephan Davis being responsible for one of those losses.

And a late 4th QTR deep pass in the other...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Blog has a good article about how Zorn was mathematically correct in going for it twice.

Think about it - particularly the second time. It's very simple - ask yourself, if you were a RAMS fan - what would you rather have had us done? If I'm a Rams fan, I'm hoping we kick the FG, and give us a chance to likely start out at least at our own 30 yard line and go down 70 yards for the score.

Even if we went for it and missed, they STILL have to go 70 yards, but THEN have to kick a field goal to win.

AND, if we converted it, the game is over right there.

Zorn was correct in my book.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 22, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

How is it we get a whole post titled "Playcalling isnt the only problem" that repeats the same old arguments blaming Snyder for the ills of the franchise over the past 10 years, and only touches on Zorns playcalling, when we havent had a post about how bad Zorn's playcalling is.

Yes, Randy Thomas is out now and we don't know how well his replacement will perform. Yes, we didnt sign any stud O-linemen in the offseason... but the O-line has performed very very well so far this year in pass protection. So, as far as i can see, we have not yet seen any glaring problems with our o-line. The vast majority of the problems with our team right now have to do with Zorn's horrible playcalling. Yet, because Jason Reid likes Zorn's openness in interviews and press conferences, he minimizes Zorns defficiencies and points the finger elsewhere.

What a load of crap. I'd sure love it if Reid spent as much time analyzing what Zorn's doing as he does regurgitating old criticisms of Snyder and Cerrato. Right now, as far as 2008 and 2009 are concerned, the only problem I have with Cerrato and Snyder is that they hired Zorn. Other than that, ive been very pleased with our drafts and free agent acquisitions.

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | September 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You make good points JR about the core issues surrounding the Snyder run Skins. I too was shocked they did not draft an O-lineman. They did get a great player at the top but somewhere in that draft an O-lineman was necessary. But I don't think it's in the Snyder playbook to take the blame for this team. As for JZ, true Redskin fans should desperately want Zorn to succeed because replacing him would set us back several years until a replacement could establish their system. I really believe that Z man needs to hand the play calling over to someone else (I know he won't) so he can manage the whole game, he could still provide input, but we shouldn't need the animation of Danny Smith on the sideline to get his head into the moment. JZ will lose the confidence of his team if that stuff continues. He takes the play calling too personal and it gets in the way of him being effective. When he says stuff like, "My Play was a good one because we practiced it" well that is a window into his ego/pysche on the subject. Game situations (say Red Zone) often are the determining factor in good play calling and if you get lost in the moment, chances are "My Play" is not going to be very effective. As pointed out in the article, even HOF coach Joe Gibbs brought in Al Saunders to call the games!

Posted by: bakerjd | September 22, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow, recycled and inaccurate material here - did JLaC ghost write this blog post?

"In their internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins identified the offensive line as their main deficiency."

Really? This is the first I've heard of this! Srsly, this horse is now just bleached bones in the Gobi desert. So dead, from all the beating. Got nothing else again, Reid/JLaC? Or is JLaC now your "league source"? Suddenly making more sense, this post is.

"In the biggest addition for the offensive line, the Redskins signed tackle Mike Williams."

And this is just inaccurate. The biggest addition for the offensive line was clearly Dockery, (unless Reid/LaCanCan is making a joke about BMW weight), who seems to be doing fine.

And finally, how many sacks has Heyer given again?

Posted by: hithere1 | September 22, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Blog has a good article about how Zorn was mathematically correct in going for it twice.

Think about it - particularly the second time. It's very simple - ask yourself, if you were a RAMS fan - what would you rather have had us done? If I'm a Rams fan, I'm hoping we kick the FG, and give us a chance to likely start out at least at our own 30 yard line and go down 70 yards for the score.

Even if we went for it and missed, they STILL have to go 70 yards, but THEN have to kick a field goal to win.

AND, if we converted it, the game is over right there.

Zorn was correct in my book.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 22, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the decision to go for it. I think going for it was the right thing to do. I was just baffled by the actual play call.

I mean, 4th and half a yard and they run wide left towards the sideline? Why not a QB sneak? JC17 is huge guy. Why not take advantage of that?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I am not worried about the Lions for a different reason. Of the NFL's 32 teams I have them on my list of teams most likely to move to another city in 20 years thanks to the death of the economy in Detroit.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 11:15 AM |

Oh, I think that the Los Angeles Jaguars has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: tigerjag3330 | September 22, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Our insider thinks Mike Williams was a bigger addition than Dockery. God help us.

Posted by: themantoyou | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, he clearly used to be bigger.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 22, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

From the Times, apolgies to CL:

* Zorn contended he'll feel comfortable running Portis to the right side even without RG Randy Thomas.

"I’m not going to try and put into my mind that I can only go left now," he said. "Here’s why: The right side of the line, when you’re running left, they’re just as important. It’s all about them working together as a unit, not necessarily the side you’re running."

* Zorn should consider using WR Santana Moss more in the slot. He got man coverage in that situation against the Rams. When wide man Devin Thomas ran off his corner, that left Moss one-on-one and Campbell found him for the catch.

* On one blitz, the Redskins rushed seven players, including all three linebackers. But St. Louis kept eight players in protection.

*The Redskins went empty backfield on just three plays.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Gotta give Jason Reid some credit. This is a gutsy post. I'm not saying it is likely to happen, but if Rhino goes out there and pancakes a few guys on Sunday this post is going to look kind of stupid.

LaCa's style was to wait for something to go wrong and then post about how he saw it coming.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the decision to go for it. I think going for it was the right thing to do. I was just baffled by the actual play call.

I mean, 4th and half a yard and they run wide left towards the sideline? Why not a QB sneak? JC17 is huge guy. Why not take advantage of that?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I would have rather they run it straight ahead with Portis. I don't think Jason runs the sneak very well.

I had no problem with him going for it there. I wish this team was more aggressive overall and I think going for it there shows confidence and aggression.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 22, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Johnnyryde - I agree, that playcall, like most of them Sunday, was bad.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 22, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Blog has a good article about how Zorn was mathematically correct in going for it twice.

Think about it - particularly the second time. It's very simple - ask yourself, if you were a RAMS fan - what would you rather have had us done? If I'm a Rams fan, I'm hoping we kick the FG, and give us a chance to likely start out at least at our own 30 yard line and go down 70 yards for the score.

Even if we went for it and missed, they STILL have to go 70 yards, but THEN have to kick a field goal to win.

AND, if we converted it, the game is over right there.

Zorn was correct in my book.

Posted by: Rypien11

I was also in agreement with both of those decisions. We had a tired Ram defense at the 20 yard line, getting 1 yard was a high probability event, and a 1st down there goes a long way towards a win.

I do wonder if Zorn makes this call because a) he has limited confidence in Suisham or b) he's thinking if he is going to get fired, he's at least going down fighting.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I think Heyer's been impressive in pass blocking. Haven't noticed us keeping tight ends in as much.

Heyer isn't violent enough on run blocking. Buges needs to get through to him on that.

We should air it out against the Lions, get the next few teams worried about the pass, and then we'll see the o-line start to maul people when we run.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

On the 4th and 1 at the 3, I think I would have passed the ball. The play clock stops anyway if you don't make it and we struggled to run in that area. If Campbell didn't like what he saw, he could still make a play with his legs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Going for it perhaps is not the problem...but that point is debatable. I think going for the win right there is a good call especially since if you kick a field goal, they get a KO to at least the 20. If you miss the 4th play, they are backed up against their own goal line and you unleash the D. As we did.

What is inexcusable in my mind is the choice of play once you have determined to cowgirl up and go for it. Weak call that the Rams had sniffed out and overloaded.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Zcezce - good thinking about passing... I wonder why - WHY - we don't EVER run a bootleg. WE have a mobile QB who passes well on the run, and a good bootleg option in Cooley and/or Moss. A naked bootleg would have killed them there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I think this is one of the weeks when Shawn Springs -- if he was healthy -- will be missed. Calvin Johnson is a nasty matchup.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

that's right! That is why I am so bothered when fans start blaming Portis, Campbell, Randle El, 11, 12, & 86, & Zorn too.

Then the fans booooo a victory?

Support the players and coaches!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to break your mold, but I'm a conservative, and I'm nervous as heck this season.

Posted by: Veretax | September 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

We knew going into the season that the line would be a little better at pass blocking and a little worse at blocking for the run. That was the idea -- protect Jason so he could throw downfield. The running game would benefit because of the improved air game.

Works OK in theory. But you have to execute.

Remember how enthused everyone was about Marko Mitchell? That's because he caught the ball in the end zone. Maybe it's time to activate him.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse
Right on, Samson. Our OL is weaker at run blocking, yet JZ continues to call runs inside 10 where D is compact. And when he does pass, its from CP(not our best passer) or to Sellers(not known for his hands). They should put MK and MM split wide, put CP and Betts on the wings in backfield for blocking/screens, and go shotgun with JC(his strength).

Didn't we go through with early Gibbs 2.0. It's about execution and attitude near the goal line.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think Heyer's been impressive in pass blocking. Haven't noticed us keeping tight ends in as much.

Heyer isn't violent enough on run blocking. Buges needs to get through to him on that.

We should air it out against the Lions, get the next few teams worried about the pass, and then we'll see the o-line start to maul people when we run.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I think we could do some interesting things with BMW. He's a good run blocker but can't pass protect. Maybe bring him in in short yardage situations. Obviously, you're going to telegraph that you're running but maybe you use it to misdirect to. I do agree with the passing. JC is looking really good. Throw the hell out of the ball in the red zone. Why let him get you all the way down there and take the ball away from him? Keep the tall guys in and let the boy throw. I'd keep Portis or Betts in the backfield and Moss in the slot. Put two tall guys in at WR. You can bunch them or spread them. Let Moss play underneath and let the tall guys try to make a play in the corner. Moss needs space to work.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 22, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Should have gone qb sneak there. Or let BMW carry the ball.

Posted by: brian58 | September 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Agree Zeke...that would have been the time for some trickery. Play action dive left, with sprint to the right pylon with receiver (Davis?) running to the back pylon. The entire play uses more time, too.

Of course, JC has a bum foot at this point and that may have limited any play involving a lot of JC running.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The way I see it is that last year the Skins would have definitely lost that game. Even when they looked miserable, they found a way to win. I am not drinking the kool-aid, but I figure it is a tiny silver lining.

Posted by: moosepod | September 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Jason: three years ago, you and JLC were saying much the same thing about their D-Line, complaining they failed to sign a free agent and were relying on unproven draft picks Golston and A. Montgomery at DT. Those two guys turned out to be pretty good for lower round draft choices, and the defense did pretty well. In light of that example, let's give Rinehart and W. Montgomery a chance before we bury Vinny on this one. And please have a little humility to admit you have been wrong before and the Skins have been right, otherwise you are going to go down the same failed path as JLC, who violated about every rule of journalism in the book.

Posted by: Madalex | September 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

No some of this is on Zorn. Sorry play calling. Not coming up with simple plays to use the talent of the WR. Yes, the line is a big problme but in no way does Zorn get a pass. One more thing. The hate on Heyer I am not understanding. JC hasn't been sack more than twice if I am not mistaken and the fumble during the G Men game came from the other side of line.

Posted by: jm220 | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse
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JM220, I agree totally on the play calling. However Heyer is not an NFL starting tackle, yet. His leverage is horrible, and splits are at times are to narrow, which causes him to be late when the DE stunts. Watch those arms start reaching at the point of attack. He also has a tendency to lack at getting the proper depth down when, as we say, "forming his side of the wall", or The Pocket.

Ok, now for the run blocking, he's pretty much the last man off the snap. Which for the life of me, I just don't get. Most tackles are usually chomping at the bit to get off right at the snap so that they can get a jump on their man. There are times when I've seen JC about to hand the ball off and Heyer is just coming out of his stance. His hand placement against the Giants' DE's were too low and narrow. Granted those DE's are beasts, but you want to give yourself at least a shot. As soon as that ball is snapped you want those hands collar bone to collar bone, and you punch the dude in front of you to knock him off balance. I don't care what team you play, you get those hands in the lower chest or stomach, you're going to get beat every time. Which is why his whiffs a lot.

Now, those were simple technique issues that I've noticed from watching him on TV. I've also noticed that Portis and JC are starting to get a little tired of his miscues. I noticed both kind of yelling at him on two different plays against the Rams. Heyer does have good size and a nice burst and the times when he puts his technique and leverage together, he's very good at his position. But, let's face it, there was a reason why he wasn't drafted, most NFL tackles have most of this stuff down by now, and they consistently put it all together play after play. However, I've noticed a lot of progress since he first played, so I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I just wish for now he was a backup and not a starter. The silver lining is that he's on the right side and JC can see when that side of the pocket breaks down, unlike the left or his blind side. Imagine if Brunell was still our QB :-).

Posted by: clark202 | September 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, recycled and inaccurate material here - did JLaC ghost write this blog post?

"In their internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins identified the offensive line as their main deficiency."

Really? This is the first I've heard of this! Srsly, this horse is now just bleached bones in the Gobi desert. So dead, from all the beating. Got nothing else again, Reid/JLaC? Or is JLaC now your "league source"? Suddenly making more sense, this post is.

Posted by: hithere1 | September 22, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm always down for a good knock on JLC and have myself compared Reid at times to him. However, in this particular instance, you are just plain wrong hithere1. It has been reported on numerous occasions that the Redskins brass identified our O line in the off season as our biggest deficiency and number one reason we fell apart last year. This is old news. Sorry if you missed it when this was reported months ago, but don't take it out on Reid.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

put Los on Calvin, and roll horton over the top to help out, but IMPERATIVE that pressure gets put on Stafford. Can't let him sit back and not be under duress....need to put some points up early, so they become 1-dimensional...

if they lose, dealer will NEVER, EVER let us forget this....friggin lions fan...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

One of the problems with the gadget/trick plans is that they take up practice time that could be used for more fundamental plays. Less trick plays and maybe the Redskins wouldn't make all those errors in the red-zone.

Posted by: bill61 | September 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I think we miss Springs every game, his health was always a ?, but when he played.... He played!

I hated the end around vs. The Giants and I think that play lost the game ( I didnt feel that at that moment, but after the game was over I felt that way. And, after I re-watched it too) BUT I didnt have any problem with the play calling vs. The Rams.

When Jackson ran for 58 yards we had a 3 man D line, not sure if it was an audible or just a well timed run up the middle, but we got caught in the wrong package there.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This is a "trap" game that everyone expects the Skins to lose because of the perception that the Lions are way overdue(ya think?) Skins need to score as soon as they get the ball if the Lions win the coin flip to start the game then the Skins need to score a touchdown on their opening drive and then blitz the hell out of Stafford on the Lion's first possesion.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

looks like we have a liar on the team: This is from the redskins website.

Question: Seriously, how long do we have to wait for a goal line fade pass?

-- Kenneth G.

Gary: Jim Zorn said he called the goal-line fade on Sunday against the Rams, but Jason Campbell saw something as the play developed and threw another direction. This is a key red zone play in Jim Zorn’s playbook. Keep looking for it.


Now this is funny because after the game both campbell and kelly said that the fade was not called and here you have zorn saying he called it but jc checked out of it.

Who do you believe JC and MK12 or Zorn?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 22, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Well maybe, REID, But at this point in his head-coaching career, ZORN doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb in the coaching firmament either.

In regard to the 0-line, the REDSKINS got one solid back-up out of the cattle-call this off-season along the offensive line in WIL MONTGOMERY. DOCKERY is solid at LG. RABACH is average at best, but with a stellar RG looks good enough for the NFL. THOMAS is down for the count career-wise, and HEYER just doesn't measure up. Never has, never will. I mean JOE JACOBY he ain't. And he's SAMUELS' back-up? Whoa.

The emergency sirens are blaring full-blast at REDSKINS park as the staff scrambles to find decent o-line play. I said it from the git-go. They won't find it with what they currently have.

First they'll try RINEHART. I just don't think he's got what it takes. IF that fails, I would plug in MIKE WILLIAMS if there's any possibility that he can play RG, and see how that goes. If that doesn't pan out plan C would be rookie ED WILLIAMS whom I like. I think he's got a future in the NFL, but he'll just have to play his way into the position. Should take two seasons more or less.

I feel for JOE BUGEL who should have earned enough respect from this organization to have some quality linemen to work with. What's a man to do. Just sayin'.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 22, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I watched the Giants game twice and the rams game once. It seems like when we try to get fancy or go for big plays we fail and when we keep it simple we r fine.

K. I.S.S.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

You nailed it. The offensive line has been the problem since Snyder got here. There is no way to evaluate Jason, Portis or the receivers. We do not have the blocking. Chad Reinhart must be Vinny's cousin. He is not an NFL starter. Vinny talks about improvement. He is a third round draft choice. Brady was a sixth. We have no personnel decisions. We need an offensive line. Dan Snyder named Vinny a EVP and gave him total authority. He is responsible for not having a team that can run the ball. He is responsible for not being able to pass because of pressure. Redskins could not block the worst team in the NFL. The Rams looked like the Giants on Defense because the same offensive line could not block them. I ask everyone to write Dump Vinny in every email. DUMP VINNY.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | September 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I heard dan synder eats his wife's d0uche

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So, Jason Reid, are you still high on the three wasted 2d round picks of 2008? The draft mismanagement by Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinnie is exactly what many of us who wanted them to take fat boys with those picks and many other wasted picks have been complaining about. A combined five catches for about 40 yards isn't really worth three 2d round picks. Maybe if they had taken some OLinemen with those picks, Campbell would have time to throw and Portis room to run it really really wouldn't matter who caught the passes. The single least important position on the team may well be WR. Ones you can get off waiver wires are every bit as good or better than all but Moss and Randel El. Obsessive focus on the Fantasy League positions are what has dug this hole for the Skins.

Zorn? Well, do you know of a better coach who is actually willing to work for Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinnie? I don't. To improve on Zorn, they'll have to cede both coach and GM jobs to a Stranahan or Cowher, or whoever. No one better than Zorn will tie his fate to the drafts of a couple of amateurs with a track record of near-constant idiocy.

Posted by: dolph924 | September 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

RUN A BOOTLEG
RUN A BOOTLEG
RUN A BOOTLEG
RUN A BOOTLEG
RUN A BOOTLEG.

That is all.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

For all you folks that don't beleive the line is valuable look at all the OL and DL in the NFC East to start. The point is the OL and DL make other aspects of your team better. The Giants don't have the best skill people, but the lines make them the better team!

1) Who has the best offensive line? NY Giants
2) Who has the best defensive line? NY Giants.
2) Who has the best rushing attack in the division? Giants
3) Who has the best running back(s)? Dallas
4) Who has the best Quarterback? Philadelphia?
5) Who has the best receivers? Toss up, Giants might lead a little.
6) Who has the best LBs? Giants
7) Who has the best DBs? Washington (had to give us one)
8) Who's the best team in the division until proven otherwise: NY Giants

Posted by: oknow1 | September 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Heyer has had a couple of run bys where his man has forced JC to flush early.

In one notable example against the Rams, JC was forced into an awaiting sack(I think JC actually made a play and got rid of the ball, ie JC bailed out Heyer). After the play I was actually impressed that JC barked at Heyer and let him know that playing Ole was not particularly appropriate while playing RT, LOL

As to BMW, I think the geniuses have envisioned him as the guy at RT once he regains game shape from losing all the weight, and proves he still has the foot speed to dance with his man in pass pro.

The weight loss along with the attendant initial loss of strength and stamina as well as the nagging injuries that are part off the process of working off the rust are what the staff is waiting for him to overcome.

Heyer is the Redskins in microcosm... you see the potential, and he is just good enough to give you hope and then really, really piss you off when he craps the bed on some random key play to tear your heart out.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

While I pretty much agree with everything you wrote Jason, but does Redskin nation have to have a referendum on the front office after every game? It used to only be after a loss, now close wins, and probably soon any big wins. The Skins front office has had a mediocre strategy under Snyder, we all know that, can we fans just watch a few games.

Posted by: cabraman | September 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

While I pretty much agree with everything you wrote Jason, but does Redskin nation have to have a referendum on the front office after every game? It used to only be after a loss, now close wins, and probably soon any big wins. The Skins front office has had a mediocre strategy under Snyder, we all know that, can we fans just watch a few games.

Posted by: cabraman | September 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

hellownew,

Your an idiot the o-Line blocked very well against the Rams JC had all day to throw.

Thats probably Peri, changing his name to get someone to talk to him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 22, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I have been reading this thread for a long time. I really do not post that often but I am thoroughly convinced that we will win Sunday. The Skins never really blow people out. Weather we play good teams or bad teams we just always play close games. I really think we have a good chance at a 10 plus point victory. Detroit will not be able to run, and we will force a rookie QB into making mistakes. After all the critisism Zorn has been hearing, he has to open things up in the Red Zone and I believe he will. I think we will see Marko and Malcolm in there. Fred Davis too. Our schedule can't be any better. If we just focus on minimizing mistakes and not take this team lightly and just go out and dominate like we are capable of doing, we will have an enjoyable game to watch. All that being said, if we play another nailbiter, well then become a Ravens fan.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 22, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The CORK:

Your 10:17 a.m.: Politics = NO. Even though I think "......sleep through the eight years of the BUSH administration....." is too mild a rebuke.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 22, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The trouble with the Redskins starts with Danny and Vinny. We've had awful offense for several years now, excellent defense. So what do we do in the off season? Spend about $200 Million upgrading the defense, adn 1/10 that on the offense. Our additions to the O-line. Well Derrick was a gift, and he is better than most guards in the league. But what else do we bring to prop up a very very old O-line that is mediocre at best? Let's see - some 400 pound dude who hasn't played in 3 years, and 2 undrafted free agents out of that football powerhouse, the University of Maryland?? What, does Danny have to pay travel expenses for undrafted free agents, and nobody at American University or Georgetown met the incredibly low standard we set? Like, Stephon Heyer was such a gem in the rough we needed to mine that vein again?? I gave up my seasons tickets 2 years ago. Sunday I was traveling in the area, and had to switch to all THREE of Danny's micro-stations to try and follow the game as I drove across the Metro area. What BS. I'm about to dump this team for my health.

Posted by: humbleandfree | September 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to all those who wrote in to the Post to voice their concerns about the offensive comments posted by Peaceful2008. I don't think we'll be seeing him on here again.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 22, 2009 12:01 PM

Good work Barno. That guy was garbage. So that makes it twice now that we've agreed this season. Is that a good omen or bad?

Posted by: mack1 | September 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"From stat man Boswell yesterday, " One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent."

Interesting stat. But really, how much impact does it have on a team's success?

We know, for instance, that you don't need a 'great' QB to succeed in the playoffs or even to win a Super Bowl. We know also that some offenses rely heavily on the QB to throw TD passes while others don't. Your team can do well in the postseason without ripping passes into the end zone. What's required is another way to score.

And then there's the dark side of the TD pass: the painful interception. Stats geeks suggest that too many INTs hurt a team about as much as a lot of TD passes can help. Are the 'great' QBs as exemplary with respect to interceptions as they are with touchdown throws?

The three 'great' active QBs are Peyton, Tom, and Brett. Manning's INT % is 2.8; Brady's is 2.3, and Brett's is 3.3.

But the real problem IMO with Boz's claim is it's infected with 'winner's bias'. He compares Campbell with the greats and concludes, reasonably enough, that Campbell isn't great. To which I ask: so what? Most of the QBs in the playoffs aren't great, either. Ben Roethlisberger has thrown 103 TDs, but he's also tossed 72 interceptions. Is he a great QB? Good enough to win two titles, at least.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see where Heyer has been bad in Pass Pro. Campbell has had plenty of time to throw. Im not worried about losing thomas, rinehart has to play sometime.

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 22, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

does anybody have shar pourdanesh's email add?

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 22, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Campbells INT percentage, by the way, is a flat 2.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

In the offseason, I discussed at length how the Skins were aging and that large portions of the roster would turnover in a 2 year period. I looked at the top 30 positions and concluded somewhere between 13 and 19 guys would change.

Well, we are 2 games into this year and a lot has happened.

By the end of game 2, in part due to injuries, we had gotten noticeably younger at:

RT (Heyer for Jansen)
RG (Rinehart/Wil for Thomas)
LG (Dockery for Kendall)
WR (Kelly for Thrash)
LB (Orakpo for Washington)
CB (Tryon for Smoot/Springs)

6-7 spots have turned over thru just game 2.

The only spots where we are older by more than 1 year are DE (Daniels) and DT (Albert).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It all seems to come back around to (my cousin) Vinny. Dan, time to step up and find a new man to run your front office.

Posted by: csr99 | September 22, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

z, I'd like to see DT step in for Rock on KR's, thats another opportunity to get younger....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

sh*t is depressing, i take so much crap from ravens fans, even little punk baltimore city kids.

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If someone breaks into your home at 3 AM, do you call an Anarchist instead of a cop?

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 10:42 AM

If someone breaks into my home at 3AM I'm not calling the police, I'm calling the coroner.

Posted by: ecale25


Yeah that kind of macho crud always turns out well for everyone not named Eastwood. You should be a screenwriter.

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

DT for rock def

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 22, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

does anybody have shar pourdanesh's email add?

Posted by: drewkinnear

What? You'd seriously consider him when Mo Elewanibi is fit, rested and ready to pick up where he left off?

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"the Redskins have not built their line through the drafts as others have."
-Jason Reid

Really? Seems like most of our line come from our drafts:

LT- Samuels: redskins draft pick
LG- Dockery: redskins draft pick
C- Raeback: free agent
RG- Rienhart: redskins draft pick
RT- Heyer: redskins draft pick (well, undrafted pick up, but that's like an 8th round draft pick)

No disagreeing with your opinion of our O-line, Jason, but you need to use the correct facts to support your opinion.

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 22, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder doesn't fire Vinny by the end of the season, the league should seize the team from him and banish him to one of his failed Six Flags parks.

Posted by: drischord | September 22, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

We knew going into the season that the line would be a little better at pass blocking and a little worse at blocking for the run. That was the idea -- protect Jason so he could throw downfield. The running game would benefit because of the improved air game.

Works OK in theory. But you have to execute.

Posted by: Freddiefritz

Well put. ANOTHER thing they have to do is make an opponent respect the threat of getting hurt with the run, bfor Jason to be able to throw downfield . Haven't done it. Don't have the hosses.

Posted by: TheCork | September 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

LT- Samuels: redskins draft pick
LG- Dockery: redskins draft pick
C- Raeback: free agent
RG- Rienhart: redskins draft pick
RT- Heyer: redskins draft pick (well, undrafted pick up, but that's like an 8th round draft pick)

No disagreeing with your opinion of our O-line, Jason, but you need to use the correct facts to support your opinion.

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 22, 2009 1:24 PM

Speaking of facts, you got yours wrong.

LT- Samuels: redskins draft pick
LG- Dockery: free agent (It's what happens when you draft them and then let them go and then resign them)
C- Raeback: free agent
RG- Rienhart: redskins draft pick
RT- Heyer: undrafted free agent (Kind of hard to be a draft pick when no one drafts you)

Posted by: mack1 | September 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So who do we add with other extra roster spot? Is there a practice squad RB, we can grab out there? Somebody has to have some more speed than Mason.

Posted by: brian58 | September 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

almost time to see if williams can unseat heyer at rte. tackle. heyer's run blocking is suspect and this is his 3rd year in the league,maybe in a couple of wks try williams if his pass protection has improved. he did drive people off the line in the run game during pre-season. either step up or sit down..

Posted by: wathu19 | September 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

From the Times talking about the JZ radio show:

On job security impacted by Detroit game): "I won’t even answer that question. I’m trying to get ready for Detroit. I’m not worried about my job."

And now starting with the beginning of the segment. ...

*(On if the win felt like a win): "Absolutely. When I looked at that scoreboard at the end of the game, we were ahead. I know when I walked off that field, there were other symptons going on as far as our lack of production in the red zone and things like that and those are things we have to attend to. It’s hard to be depressed after a game you win. Our players worked so hard all week long to do everything. There were a lot of things that contributed to the win. I don’t care if it was 6-0, it was a win .Do we have things to work on? Absolutely."

*(On offense outside the red zone): "I was very excited how we executed the plan, we just ran into some problems in the red zone, either with the call – me calling the halfback pass on third down instead of first down, I would probably change that. As far as how we got down there, we passed and ran. They tightened their defense up and stopped our run. It wasn’t as productive as it was in the middle of the field.

*(On predictable red zone play calling): "I don’t believe I have [become predictable]. You can imagine every week there’s a different defense that is to be faced and there is a different plan. I don’t have the same list of plays on our game plan as I did the week before, especially the week before when things get tight, the field gets shortened, the decisions come quicker. If people would have been what we were trying to do and how we were stopped, it was explained to me by just watching the video."

*(On Devin Thomas on kickoff returns): "I think we’re going to stay with that plan. Rock is our kickoff returner and our starter but I would like to get Devin in the game for a change of pace much like we did with Santana Moss on punt returns. It does create a different feel for these guys. It’s got to bother Rock because he wants to be in there every minute. Devin’s doing a pretty good job with that.

*(On second fourth-down call late in game): "I had three timeouts so I wanted to use one there and take a breath and think about the situation. We felt like we could get the first down and picked out what I felt was the best play, running right behind Chris Samuels. What happened on the line of scrimmage, our offensive line decided to block it out a little more instead of more downhill and it strung the play out. It was a very frustrating play to watch because had we blocked it differently – and it’s their choice – it might have been a different outcome. If I was to look back on that call, I would call the same play."


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

meant to include, good to hear about DT on KOR instead of Rock, I like that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

You only say they were bad calls because they didn't work.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"For all you folks that don't beleive the line is valuable look at all the OL and DL in the NFC East to start. The point is the OL and DL make other aspects of your team better. The Giants don't have the best skill people, but the lines make them the better team!"

I don't know if you noticed, but Philly spanked the Giants last year. And it was because they were missing a WR.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn....can you make adjustments during a game or do you just continue to go with work is not working and make an adjustment "next week"? Case in point: Each time that the skins were in the redzone, you ran on 1st and/or 2nd down with very little results. After 2 or 3 times of repeating the same scenario, why not adjust your game plan and throw on 1st down in the redzone. Don't wait until the next game to make an adjustment.

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

What a savaging, you D-bags at the Post didn't wait long to pull out the long knives did you?

I expect to read that kind of one-sided garbage from posters, but not from the team beat reporter.

Nothing makes you guys happy. When we went outside the team to sign a replacement for Daniels, we were panicking and not developing our depth. Now that we are looking to replace Thomas with an internal guy all you can harp about is his lack of experience. Were you saying the same thing about Mark Sanchez? Quit crying because the kid hasn't been in a game yet. That has little bearing on how he can be expected to perform.

Posted by: McMetal | September 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't mind seeing BMW at right guard. Wonder if we could run right if he bulldozes a few people.

Posted by: brian58 | September 22, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Think I'll have to put together a highlight reel of all of Zorn's gaffes (on the field and in post-game conferences) with Journey's "Don't Stop Believin' " playing in the background.

Posted by: pgugino | September 22, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If someone breaks into my home at 3AM I'm not calling the police, I'm calling the coroner.

Posted by: ecale25
______________________

Maybe your widow can, but I don't see you doing it. Not without a lot of Red Bull.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 22, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Line line line.

Seems like we been talking about this all off-season, too.

Hey Mayor, can you research the validity of the report that it was Zorn who told Snyderratto that we didn't need to go after O Linemen in the draft?

Even though there's a dearth of reporting on this (confirmation nor denial) and of Zoron's level of support for Soup, due to Coarch's behavior and statements I'm now fairly firmly convinced that he bears MORE responsibility for these problems than you're calling for.

It's not just the abyssmal play calling, it's the team & staff building too. Look at the fresh new kickers in our own division. They're newbs? How 'come they're not with us? or were even scouted by us.

Soooo sick of the FO & staff's arrogance.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

LT- Samuels: redskins draft pick
LG- Dockery: redskins draft pick
C- Raeback: free agent
RG- Rienhart: redskins draft pick
RT- Heyer: redskins draft pick (well, undrafted pick up, but that's like an 8th round draft pick)

No disagreeing with your opinion of our O-line, Jason, but you need to use the correct facts to support your opinion.

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 22, 2009 1:24 PM

Speaking of facts, you got yours wrong.

LT- Samuels: redskins draft pick
LG- Dockery: free agent (It's what happens when you draft them and then let them go and then resign them)
C- Raeback: free agent
RG- Rienhart: redskins draft pick
RT- Heyer: undrafted free agent (Kind of hard to be a draft pick when no one drafts you)

Posted by: mack1 | September 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse


3rd time's the charm....
It's Rabach, not Raeback. Rinehart, not Rienhart.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

You only say they were bad calls because they didn't work.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

No people say they are bad calls because everyone in the universe knows the redskins are going to run to the left in the red zone and that zorn does not trust JC17.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder doesn't fire Vinny by the end of the season, the league should seize the team from him and banish him to one of his failed Six Flags parks.

Posted by: drischord | September 22, 2009 1:26 PM |

That would only happen if there was no more revenue sharing. Snyder is a cash cow for other teams.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are an 8-8 team until they improve the offensive line. The blueprint especially in the NFC East is to have strong/dominant offensive and defensive lines. This isn't the AFC West.

Posted by: fj8152001 | September 22, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"As for Zorn's spread offense and play-calling, well, that is on him."

___________________________________________

What spread offense? In the red zone I see them lining up in tight formations and running into the line. Where is this so called spread offense?

Posted by: wstclair | September 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"No people say they are bad calls because everyone in the universe knows the redskins are going to run to the left in the red zone and that zorn does not trust JC17. Posted by: alex35332"

It occurs to me that if it's obvious to us fans what Zorn should do, it's equally obvious to the opposing d-coordinator. Who would then stop it.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The funniest of all the funny things on this thread is the Detroit writer who predicted the Lions would win 28-24. I don't know if there's anyone in the DC media -- let alone the team's fan base -- who thinks the Skins are capable of scoring 24 points!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

when the team plays the lions this week, fake the handoff going left, have JC roll out to the right, cooley blocks initially, then goes out for a pass, running a slant into the end zone.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"No people say they are bad calls because everyone in the universe knows the redskins are going to run to the left in the red zone and that zorn does not trust JC17. Posted by: alex35332"

It occurs to me that if it's obvious to us fans what Zorn should do, it's equally obvious to the opposing d-coordinator. Who would then stop it.

Posted by: Samson151

So you're saying that Zorn is using double-reverse psychology and thus doing the most transparent thing possible. The man's diabolical. He's almost TOO smart.

Posted by: REXskins | September 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Heh.

http://tinyurl.com/meknqm

(Safe for work.)

Posted by: freakzilla | September 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

You only say they were bad calls because they didn't work.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

No people say they are bad calls because everyone in the universe knows the redskins are going to run to the left in the red zone and that zorn does not trust JC17.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

We have some inherent flaws in our offense that make it tough to play in the redzone. Moss and Randle el are short. They need seperation in order to make a play. They can't out jump a CB. The red zone is crowded so there is little room for them to make plays. Our TEs are slow and take some time to get off the line. They can be easily covered by LBs and there's no threat of them beating us deep so no cushion is needed. The defense can play right on top of us and not have to worry about the back of the end zone. We are no threat to make a play back there. This is why we can't run or throw to a guy underneath. We have no one drawing the defense to the back of the end zone. This is why we are so angry about MK12 and LL being on the bench. No, they may not get open on a fade but they will at least draw some coverage away from the line of scrimmage. Without them we are stuck running into a crowd or trying to make a play to some well covered receivers underneath.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Which much forlorn, I am no longer torn.
His errors we've born, his welcome mat is worn, time to say goodbye to Zorn.

Posted by: chopin224 | September 22, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"No people say they are bad calls because everyone in the universe knows the redskins are going to run to the left in the red zone and that zorn does not trust JC17.

Posted by: alex35332"

Oh how I long for the days when everyone knew we were running left and it didn't matter 'cause they couldn't stop it anyway. Our players should be embarrased just as much as Zorn.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Some observations --

Defense: the Rams made 50% of their 3rd downs, even better percentage than the GiAnts. Blache must be very concerned about this. For the second straight game, the defense generated a turnover (actually 2, one of which was overturned by penalty). This is much better than last year, so kudos there.

I expect fewer blitzes against the Lie-Ons, more mixed coverages.

Offense: JC hit 8 different receivers, and none of them could get it in the end zone. Honestly, the big problem here is that the Skins are not getting YAC, at least not into the end zone. Campbell had 1 TD pass dropped (that one "drop" by Thomas was a really tough ball.).

The Rams dared Zorn to run deep patterns, walking both safties up and trying to drop one deep at the snap. Campbell had time to throw, but most of the patterns seemed short. Zorn has to man up and run those corners/posts. JC has to look off the safety. And then let Kelley or Thomas make a play on the ball. Air it out baby.

Lack of big plays.

The good news: Spags wanted this win. I'm convinced he game-planned it since April, trying to find an early win to get his players on board. Despite his knowing the offense, and the personnel, and the Rams playing the Redskins tough last year, Skins won. Too bad Spags, you knob-polishing ex-GiAnt.

More good news: The Lie-Ons have given up 72 points in 2 games. They're vulnerable, if JZ has the cojones to take risks with the pass, they can be blown out.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

when the team plays the lions this week, fake the handoff going left, have JC roll out to the right, cooley blocks initially, then goes out for a pass, running a slant into the end zone.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I have no clue how long Reinheart and Heyer could hold the right side of the line up for said play. But my gut says not much. Heyer had a play last week where he did not even touch a defender coming after JC.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

How Did That "Party Pass" Work Out For Everyone?

By Dashiell Bennett, 12:05 PM on Tue Sep 22 2009, 20,078 views

All you haterz out there who predicted that selling 30,000 standing room tickets for Cowboy games would turn their new stadium into a lawless Thunderdome? Yeah, you were completely right.

Roughly 29,999 of the 30,000 people who paid $29 to wander around Cowboys Stadium on Sunday night were left disappointed by the fact that crowded concourses, blocked access, and long bathroom lines meant they paid $29 for standing room tickets to a TV. Those were the lucky ones. Many folks didn't even get inside, because they were under the mistaken impression that a "ticket" gives you access to an event and not just access to the "plazas outside the party decks" which are not actually inside the stadium. Fine print!

As this video helpfully demonstrates, the vast majority of Party Pass holders only got a view of the other Party Pass holders. And naturally, the swarm of Texas-sized asses clogging the entrances, concourses, concessions and seats belonging to actual ticket holders created such chaos that the fire department gave up trying to control them and officially declared jungle law.

There was one fan who defended the passes to the Dallas Morning News—all you had to do was show up 5 hours early!—but another poo-pooed his theory and eloquently put things into perspective for all the angry Cowboy backers.

"Absolute Disaster. That's it. Concession lines were way too long, bathrooms were overcrowded, it reminded me of the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina.

Without all the death and rape, of course!

Fortunately I was with three other guys that are 6'4" 250 lbs. so we were able to push our way through crowds. I talked to countless people who got there hours ahead of kickoff only to be bullied out of the way with no view of the field.

Interesting. Were these the same people bullied by your friends or are we talking about a different group of pushy jerks?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Our TEs are slow and take some time to get off the line. They can be easily covered by LBs and there's no threat of them beating us deep so no cushion is needed.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 22, 2009 2:16 PM |

A) tell Cooley he can be easily covered by a linebacker. What a stupid comment you made there.

B)When you say, "there's no threat of them beating us deep," you are referring to the Steelers? The Eagles maybe? Us? You have slipped up and given yourself away maybe?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

HEre is the seen @ Dallas CowGirl's Stadium:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTyWGgr-z8&feature=player_embedded

There's going to be alot of fighting down there between Redskins and 'Girls fans when they play.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

al, the defenders first step is to the right, following the play action, you then just ride them into the wash....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Number of snaps played -- only guys who played 10 or more snaps included. CAPS means the player didn't play much (or at all) for us in 2008. Meaning these are the changes from 2008.


Carter 50
ALBERT 42
Golston 31
DANIELS 29
Griffin 26

Fletcher 53
ORAKPO 48
Rocky 46

Rogers 53
Landry 53
Hall 53
Horton 48
TRYON 29
DOUGHTY 10

Portis 45
Sellers 33
Betts 19

Cooley 69
Davis 22

Moss 67,
KELLY 44
Randle El 32
Thomas 17


HEYER
MONTGOMERY
Thomas
Rabach
DOCKERY
Samuels

Campbell

There are 30 guys who played double digit snaps on O or D.

You can judge for yourself if you think these are upgrades, but there is no question that this team has made some noticeable changes, in most cases, getting younger.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The funniest of all the funny things on this thread is the Detroit writer who predicted the Lions would win 28-24. I don't know if there's anyone in the DC media -- let alone the team's fan base -- who thinks the Skins are capable of scoring 24 points!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 22, 2009 2:13 PM

You've got that right, Nate. This team will be 13-3 if it can figure out how to score 24 points on the regular.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of facts, you got yours wrong.

LT- Samuels: redskins draft pick
LG- Dockery: free agent (It's what happens when you draft them and then let them go and then resign them)
C- Raeback: free agent
RG- Rienhart: redskins draft pick
RT- Heyer: undrafted free agent (Kind of hard to be a draft pick when no one drafts you)

Posted by: mack1 | September 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse


3rd time's the charm....
It's Rabach, not Raeback. Rinehart, not Rienhart.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I cut and paste. Not that i wouldn't have spelled it wrong myself.

Posted by: mack1 | September 22, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

You've got that right, Nate. This team will be 13-3 if it can figure out how to score 24 points on the regular.
Posted by: Alan4 | September 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I may be wrong but didn't only 1 team put 25+ points up against the skins last year? we score 24 ppg that season and your looking at 15-1.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

What were the comments early on in Pre season about not going out and acquiring talented offensive linemen? Lapdog Handpuppet Cerrato has to either stop humping Dannyboy's leg or grow some balls and do what he is supposed to do aside from being a yes man to Dannyboy.
Anybody even someone with a shoe sized IQ knows to win football games one must control the line of scrimmage. At best I had them at 7-9, but after the loss coming up this week against Detroit, I am re accessing that to 6-10.

Posted by: Sideswiped | September 22, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

How about we outsource our offense to the Saints?

It's a simple and clean solution, Dan has the money, New Orleans can use the influx of cash.

Win, Win.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 22, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

So who do we add with other extra roster spot? Is there a practice squad RB, we can grab out there? Somebody has to have some more speed than Mason.

Posted by: brian58 | September 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse
Usually when they lose an OL, they add an OL.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 22, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

While Zorn shouldn't be completely left blameless, I think the players are as much if not more to blame for the inability for this team to score. Dropped passes, missed assignments, poor blocking etc. are not Zorn's fault. This team thinks they have talent but I haven't seen much to prove it.

Also, this post wouldn't be complete with my usual Vinny/Danny crucifying. It's like the blind leading the blind. None of this crap is going to change as long as the embarrassment that is FedEx field is filled and the merchandise keeps selling.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 22, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

All right, Reid's post, and bemoaning the O-line is full 'tard. Do you hear? DUMB.

The line gave up 1 sack. JC had time to throw the ball.

Portis had almost 4 y/c (not good, but decent), and with a few more touches would have gotten 100 yards.

Blaming this one on the line? WTF?!?

Sellers drops a TD. Thomas doesn't make a tough TD. They make those plays and it's 17-6 instead of 9-6. The ref doesn't flag 98 for roughing and the Skins have the ball on the 15 in the first quarter. Moss doesn't fumble and they've got another possession inside the 20.

The point is, there were opportunities. It's not like JC was running for his life. It's not like Portis was getting stuffed as in the GiAnts game.

This one is NOT ON THE O-LINE. Not on the QB, who made great plays with his legs, din't throw a pick, hit 8 recievers and took 1 sack.

Mostly, it's missed opportunities, combined with, yes, play-calling. I would have liked to have seen JC run the boot that he did in the preseason, if it wasn't there he could score with his legs.

P/O

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

A) tell Cooley he can be easily covered by a linebacker. What a stupid comment you made there.

B)When you say, "there's no threat of them beating us deep," you are referring to the Steelers? The Eagles maybe? Us? You have slipped up and given yourself away maybe?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

That comment wouldn't be so stupid if Cooley was easily covered by a linebacker all day sunday in the red zone. You can say it's stupid all you want but it's true. Cooley needs space underneath to get open. He doesn't have that in the red zone. That's why we can't score down there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 22, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Its been awhile since ive been here... can't say i've missed the gloom and negativity but hey at this point we deserve it. talent... liked you quote in the washington post the other day... solid quote. Why can't we be positive? Ever. I mean i understand we suck and have terrible owners, a coach who probably isn't ready and a team that has more holes than it doesn't... but still can't we just say something positive? We moved the ball this game... unlike the Giants game. D kinda stopped people... i know its the rams but progress is progress... maybe we'll learn and improve. (Sorry this is all i have left,I'm rapidly losing faith in this organization and this team, and this is pretty much my last ditch effort to try and stay a fan... but im losing it rather quickly...).

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | September 22, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dpc2003

good post, dpc

The OL has been adequate. Great? No. Terrible? No. The OL has done its job well enough for this offense to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This is the heartbreaker...

This team will be 13-3 if it can figure out how to score 24 points on the regular.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 22, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

That comment wouldn't be so stupid if Cooley was easily covered by a linebacker all day sunday in the red zone. You can say it's stupid all you want but it's true. Cooley needs space underneath to get open. He doesn't have that in the red zone. That's why we can't score down there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 22, 2009 2:39 PM

Cooley is seen as the ONLY red zone threat therefor he is usually double covered by a linebacker AND a safety in the endzone. Your comment is stupid because in the same sentence you say covered by a linebacker so no chance of beating us deep. You don't go deep in the redzone. Nice try on the backtrack though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey, they won! Beat a team they lost to last year.

They moved the ball up and down the field at will, just not into the end zone.

The defense generated a turnover, and held the Rams to 1 TD.

The Rams coach knew the Redskins from his time as the GiAnts def. coordinator, needed this game BAD, had all year to game plan against JZ, and the Skins still put up 300+ yards on him.

The Redskins were a couple of plays away from a 2 TD win. Next week, they make the plays.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Words of wisdom from Don Banks at SI:

"Look at the Cardinals of last December, and then again in January. Look at the 2008 Jets at 8-3, coming off huge wins at New England and Tennessee in mid-to-late November. Look at the 10-0 Titans of a year ago, and the Dolphins going from 0-2 to 11-5, and the Chargers dead in the water (not really) at 4-8. Wasn't Donovan McNabb benched and the end of an era at hand for the 5-5-1 Eagles at one point last season? Weren't Tampa Bay and Denver shoo-ins for the playoffs into December, and didn't Jon Gruden and Mike Shanahan being on hand mean they couldn't possibly miss the postseason?"

Posted by: Samson151 | September 22, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The line has been ok in pass coverage. Pretty bad in the running game. I'm not sayin' it's all their fault necessarily.

And now they're a vet down. Concern is not only warranted, but demanded.

That said, I do think they should stand pat, unless someone convincing shows up on the wire.

How 'bout Long down in Miamuh? Pancake city!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 22, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

sounds like they have issues with using the personel right. But i cant believe that they didnt know that they would have issuesd along the OL prior to the season. That's a clear indicatin that Cerrato, needs to go. NEARLY EVERY sports outlet in DC said that Thomas would not play the season or that the OL would have injuries...it's inneveitable, especially when all the starters are 30+. Not hatin on age, but even normal people get more injureis after 30, so you have to have so younger or more quality depth and they did nothing to address it.

as far as the wideouts, they are just not getting the recievers in the game. If the receivers are struggling then make SPECIFIC plays (screens, clear outs, simple out/in, slants) that would get them involved. the more a receiver touches the ball, the more he'll get confident....the bears do it with hester, browns with cribs, etc.

If you keep hittin Thomas for those 5yrd outs, Davis across the midde for 10 yards curls/slants, etc...either the saftey is going to come down, the Free safety will drift to help out on the other wide out, or eventually eveyone is going to get single coverage and then Moss/Cooley/El, will gegt over the top.....BUT NOBODY WILL COVER THEM IF YOU DONT THROW TO THEM..

Posted by: impervious99 | September 22, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Zce.

BTW, who stepped in for Thomas during the game? Did I miss the part where he gave up 8 sacks? What's that.. there was only 1 sack? Oh.

Look, they won. Ugly, but they won.

Now let's focus on the Lie-Ons. Doormats of the century.

First play, line up with 2 TE, Sellers, and CP. Split out both TE, move Sellers to H-Back, and lets' just see if a LB can cover Cooley one on one. Heck, look first for Davis running a fly pattern. Bet he'll be open.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks forgot "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Posted by: Moose33 | September 22, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

From that same Don Banks article:

" I'm going out on a short limb here and predicting this is the week the Lions finally win. I say the 19-game losing streak ends Sunday, when Detroit is home against Washington. Obviously the Redskins are offensively challenged and defensively strong. But I just get the feeling the Lions are about to get a breakout type game on offense from the likes of quarterback Matthew Stafford, receiver Calvin Johnson, tight end Brandon Pettigrew and running back Kevin Smith.

A win and the Lions will avoid claiming sole possession of the league's second longest losing streak in history, at 20 games. Get the champagne on ice, Detroit."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/09/22/week2/index.html?eref=T1

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

keep Zorn, Improve OL, bring in a new RB, sign Crabtree. Kick DC's A$$ to make defense work

Posted by: Skins2 | September 22, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

anyone catch the first play of the game last night, Manning audibles to a pass, 80 yards TD....JC needs the ability to audibilize out of plays, based on what the defense is showing him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

leave him alone, he's on a roll.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 22, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Imperv, I have news for you. The Rams played a lot of man against the Redskins with a single safety deep. A lot. Most of the time the safety was very shallow at the snap.

That was Spags daring JZ to go deep.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Portis acts like MANGO from snl.

Posted by: tttyler | September 22, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Lots of bulletin board material for the Skins this week.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 22, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

ah, but if he audibles, Zoron will bench him....

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 22, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

on the Portis pass play, I have to say this among the worst calls I have ever seen.

The play itself is designed to trick a defense into thinking its a run. The DBs bite and the result is a WR or TE that is wide open.

For the most part, you NEED the TE or WR to be wide open, for 2 reasons. First, few guys that throw the option pass are good at throwing the football (ARE is an exception). Second, even QBs are significantly less accurate while throwing on the run.

So you have a poor passer throwing in a manner that results in limited accuracy. This is why you need the receiver to be wide open.

Well, wide open rarely happens at the goal line. Throwing at the goal line usually a 'thread it in there' type of pass, since the DBs don't need to worry abut getting beat deep.

On some occasions, a misdirection results in a wide open receiver. Sometimes a guy fakes on blocking down and then catches a pass. These scenarios are more typical when the ball is at the 1 yard line and defenses need to overplay the run.

However, running the option to the right meant that the defense flowed its players to the same side. From around the 5 yard line on 3rd down, a pass isn't a surprise call. In fact, its the more likely call. So the DBs will be playing coverage first.

What happened is no surprise. Portis would have had to thread the needle to throw a TD pass. And that was never going to happen.

A really terrible call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 22, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Like they don't have enough, freak? From their own coach...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 22, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I will call for a lions win every week till it happens... got to be right eventually.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'll go one better. I'll tell you the score of the game TODAY!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 22, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Zce, I don't know...

Portis is 6-3 in his career on that play, 3 TD's. It works half the time, which is a pretty good average in the NFL. They usually try it around the 15. Maybe running it from the 5 was an issue.

All moot, Montgomery was holding on the play anyway.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Zce, I don't know...

Portis is 3-6 in his career on that play, 3 TD's. It works half the time, which is a pretty good average in the NFL. They usually try it around the 15. Maybe running it from the 5 was an issue.

All moot, Montgomery was holding on the play anyway.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Great One-- Just read your post on Jimmy's F paper--Hilarious.

Posted by: bostskin | September 22, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Zce, I don't know...

Portis is 6-3 in his career on that play, 3 TD's. It works half the time, which is a pretty good average in the NFL. They usually try it around the 15. Maybe running it from the 5 was an issue.

All moot, Montgomery was holding on the play anyway.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 22, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse
Still it was a stupid call on 3rd down. That's a play that should be called on 1st down.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"In their internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins identified the offensive line as their main deficiency."

I agree. It's not Zorn's fault if the front office fails to get him the O-line help he needs. And how do they help the team? By signing some solid guys who can help stabilize several positions? Oh no... they sign one guy, a very good guy in Tennessee) to a huge contract at let the other spots languish.

I wonder if the front office is more enamored with marketing (i.e., selling tickets) than building a good football team.

Looks like next year we'll need 3-4 OL, 1-2 CBs, 1 QB, 1-2 LBs, 1 RB, 1 FS (so Landry can move back to SS), and 1-2 DL.

Posted by: GiveMeTheBall | September 22, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You only say they were bad calls because they didn't work.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

No people say they are bad calls because everyone in the universe knows the redskins are going to run to the left in the red zone and that zorn does not trust JC17.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

We have some inherent flaws in our offense that make it tough to play in the redzone. Moss and Randle el are short. They need seperation in order to make a play. They can't out jump a CB. The red zone is crowded so there is little room for them to make plays. Our TEs are slow and take some time to get off the line. They can be easily covered by LBs and there's no threat of them beating us deep so no cushion is needed. The defense can play right on top of us and not have to worry about the back of the end zone. We are no threat to make a play back there. This is why we can't run or throw to a guy underneath. We have no one drawing the defense to the back of the end zone. This is why we are so angry about MK12 and LL being on the bench. No, they may not get open on a fade but they will at least draw some coverage away from the line of scrimmage. Without them we are stuck running into a crowd or trying to make a play to some well covered receivers underneath.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

All we had to do was a two tight end set with an hb dive...The way we've been reaching the redzone, clinton portis should have 3-5 tds by now...AM I RIGHT?

Posted by: BMACattack | September 22, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

We are lucky we have a
defense. We have a chance against the Lions if we can score 21 points.

Posted by: jmy999 | September 22, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

That's the best post you've written since you took over. Good job Mayor! You can't get blood out of a turnip or a championship out of a dud!

Posted by: wardt30 | September 22, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me like Jason Reid and everyone else has 'experience' building a championship caliber football team, hiring personnel, and hiring coaches. I say you all put your money together and buy the Redskins from Snyder, so you can tear it down and run it into the ground. Please....until any of you truly gain the experience of what it takes to scout, draft, and develop players, stop trying to be so-called "experts" in what the Redskins need to do. I don't see JR or JLC up for any Pulitzers recently, so perhaps they could be better served sharpening their skills.

Indeed the Redskins are not an elite team, but if they were, then all you 'experts' wouldn't have anything to write or blog about. Get a life already.

GO SKINS!!!!

Posted by: marcarutledge@yahoo.com | September 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I think Vinny and Danny have just finally learned about building through the draft, but here's the problem: You can't turn that around in one season.

It takes time to build through the draft. They've started, but we won't see the results for a couple more years.

I don't know why they chose to do d-line this year, but you've got to start somewhere. And they went with Orakpo because he was hands-down the best guy available. Good choice there.

Posted by: lordtwang | September 22, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Though it's not much, and I'm not meaning to nitpick, I think most folks would agree that adding Dockery back to the mix was the most significant OL upgrade in the offseason - NOT signing BMW away from Duke University's Obesity Clinic.

Also, Saunders' offense looked GREAT at the end of 2007 with Collins under Center. That is a fact. With Brunell (done) and Campbell (inexperienced) running that O in 06 and in early 2007, it did not look special.

But consider how Gibbs put the restrictor plates on Saunders as the team approached scoring territory. I don't think Al really got a chance to run his system until after Taylor's death when Joe had to focus on the big picture for the team and not get too bogged down with game planning / play calling. Once given his guy under Center, that offense looked great - and was the main reason I was befuddled when the team selected an Offensive rather than Defensive head coach going into last season. What a mistake that hire (Zorn) is turning out to be. I would have preferred we go with Schwartz (now coaching the Lions) who has D.C. / Skins' roots but is now calling the shots in the Motor City.

Thoughts?

Posted by: knk4jack | September 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree with that post more. Nice job!

Posted by: DaveWeiss | September 22, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget to so'called building a line through the draft, you must do two things. Keep ur draft picks and stop giving them away for the likes of J.Taylor, Duckett and brandon Lioyd. Thats six pretty high picks(except 6th rounder in Taylor trade) we should have still had to waist on players who did nothing for us-NOTHING! Second, when you have picks, you must know what the hell you are doing and that is the bigger problem. Zorn's play calling has been horrible and how do you expect Jason to develop if you are trying to trick people near the endzone. Zorn claims that they were running wide all day so it was a good play call. B.S. They hadn't run wide right all year so now that reasoning is void. And let's say us being the mediocre team that we are and that Vinny and the little man behind the curtain built, they decide to fire Zorn because let's face it, he is in over his head. NO OTHER QUILFIED AND BIG NAME COACH WILL WORK FOR SYNDER. We will never get a Cowher, Shannahan or Holmgrem unless Synder agrees to let them run the franchise as they see fit and even then, it would be hard to sell this unstable front office to a real, stable coaching candidate. What was the very first thing Marty did when he got the job. HE FIRED VINNY..anything less and no good coach even thinks about coming here, much less take Synder's "confederate " money. But there is good news......Jim Fassel is still available...JEEZE, what a joke we are.

Posted by: klangley69 | September 22, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Right, those years with Charley Casserly and John Kent Cooke were great. Charley brought us Michael Westbrook, Heath Shuler, Reggie Brooks, Andre Johnson, Tydus Winans, Sterling Palmer, Greg Jones, Kenard Lang, Stephen Alexander, Leslie Shepherd, the great 1998 season start of 0-7, Marc Boutte, and a 5-year run of the lowest ranked run defense in NFL history during the 90's. I guess we can blame Snyder for that too. The trading of draft picks was Gibbs' choice...not Snyder. 2004, 2006 and 2007 draft deficiencies all belong to Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: tramellcanady | September 23, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Until Daniel Snyder understands that Vinnie Cerrato is the root cause of the ineptitude in Washington, it's difficult to predict when the Skins will be a noteworthy team. Marty Schottenheimer had the right idea when he was hired and he fired Cerrato but Daniel got rid of him after only 1 season. To make us look more pathetic, Marty gets hired by the Spano family in San Diego and he turns them into a perennial AFC West powerhouse. Then Snyder rehires Cerrato! As someone mentioned, we're not building from the lines (offensive and defensive) the way most successful teams are and the win/loss record over the past few years has shown. People are doubting Jason Campbell but I believe if he had an offensive line to effectively protect him, he'd outshine the likes of Tom Brady. The proof is in the production of Clinton Portis. He's such a dynamic running back but the play-calling always goes to the left because the right side is too weak. For Portis to start last season as the leading rusher in the league and end up in 4th place is disappointing. The o-line needs to get together and make a commitment to get Portis no less than 150-200 yds per game. Unfortunately, they play with more estrogen than a group of women at a book reading club.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | September 23, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

"Our insider thinks Mike Williams was a bigger addition than Dockery. God help us.

Posted by: themantoyou | September 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse "

Aint this the truth

Posted by: adubya | September 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

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