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Preparing to Face Josh Johnson

Second-year quarterback Josh Johnson was named the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' starter this week, so the Redskins don't have a lot of tape on him.

Without a big "book" on Johnson, the Redskins faced an interesting situation this week as they prepared to play Tampa Bay on Sunday at FedEx Field. And Johnson is fast, having been clocked at 4.53 in the 40-yard dash, so defensive coordinator Greg Blache had a lot of work to do.

"It's difficult - particularly with a guy who has the athleticism that Josh has," Blache said. "We went back and saw his 39 plays that he played in the preseason, the snaps that he had last week [against the New York Giants]. We know that in college he was very effective running the football. We wouldn't be surprised if we saw what you guys call 'wildcat', we call 'zip-series,' out of him.

"We expect to see him to try to pull the ball down and try and run on third downs like the quarterback did last week. They were successful on the one run, pulling it down and running for 21 yards on the third and 13. We expect to see him moving around a little bit. Our guys just have to be ready to go out and play, do what they have to do, and see what they get from it."

Defensive backs encounter more challenges when they face quarterbacks as mobile as Johnson, cornerback Carlos Rogers said.

"When you're in man coverage it's always an issue when you have a mobile quarterback," he said "You better get him on the ground because everybody is running with their backs turned. Last week, we had third and 13, we had a man to man. The quarterback saw it, had an open field, and pulled it down to run with it. If you don't make the play at the line of scrimmage you're going to have a big play.

"It's a juggling act. That's why I say you have to be ready to not be afraid to roll the dice from situation to situation - play some zone, play some man, do some different things. I can't worry about giving up a play. I have to worry about making a play. That's where I can help them, and that my plan to help them a little bit more."

By Jason Reid  |  October 2, 2009; 2:45 PM ET
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Comments

the day we're afraid of a rookie QB whose never won an NFL game is the day ... oh wait

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Josh Johnson" sounds like a plastic action figure with a cartoon series on Nickelodeon designed to market said action figure.

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Time to Prove the Portis doubters wrong....

He is the only known comodity on offense. Everyone's playing 8 in da box.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Redskins history is to make first game quarterbacks look like Hall of Fame material.

This isn't going to be pretty.

Thank goodness NASCAR will be on when the 'Skins get behind - I know I won't miss anything watching NASCAR at that point.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

His 'Curious George' soundtrack is really touching.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Blache's emphasis on coverage last game gave a less mobile QB ample time to run, which he did on at least one play--for 17 yards! If he pulls that same BS this game, watch out.

Posted by: pgugino | October 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

And Sellers ain't blocking right.

And the playcalling is horrendous.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

ahhh, the Double G Turtle Shell....

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Redskins should play the Cobra package a lot to give them a little more speed on the field. I got a feeling that the QB will be scrambling a lot.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

JC is the 9th rated QB in the NFL so far according to espn.com...

9 Jason Campbell, QB WAS 67.6% 793 3 td's 2 int's sacked: 5.0 rating: 92.5 264 yrds per game...

can't blame him.

look at his yr by yr stats...every yr he has improved...
and with such a "bad" offensive line, howcome he isn't being sacked as much as GB's Aaron Rodgers ....12 times!!

Posted by: lszovati | October 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I said it yesterday. Get rid of Poris. He doesn't scare any team. No speed, can't make quick cuts. Get something for him now while we can. Same old crap every year. "I can't practice because I am banged up". Dude, every starting running back is banged up. NO PRACTICE, NO PLAY!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheJury | October 2, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Heard a stat on the radio that caught me off guard.

Check out the Red Zone stats for the Patriots. Seems like we are not the only team having trouble down there.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

lszovati - The stats lie when it comes to Campbell.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

right - Portis is the problem w/ the running game... got it.

\:-|

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

this is pathetic. "Preparing for JOSH JOHNSON?" Please.

Posted by: brian58 | October 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, Greg Williams had a great game plan to contain Vick when we played Atlanta. I don't think Vick did much. Blache needs to watch that film and see what our defense did.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Relax, Redskins will win big.
by 30 or more.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Portis is a perfect model for the Skins problems...

he's old, beat up, overpayed, and definitely underworked.

He has no burst, no escapability, and no ability to change directions when he has to. And as soon as he gets hit, he's out like the fat kid in dodgeball.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

stats are for geeks and FF players. When all is said and done, the only stats that matter are the ones about wins and losses.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

and was the 4th best RB in the league last year. Are we really having this discussion again?

No RB in the league is going anywhere when the D knows exactly whats coming.

Sorry, you're just wrong.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Man people have short memories. Portis has been our main bright spot for the last several years on offense. That being said his act this year is getting old and tired very quickly. He has to suit up and play with the same heart he used to or that 150-200 yard day he keeps talking about is never gonna happen.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

lszovati - The stats lie when it comes to Campbell.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

No, they don't. We are moving the ball. In fact we are 7th in yards per drive. Red zone play calling is what's killing his TD numbers. He is playing really good football right now. You guys blame him for us not scoring when all Zorn does is run left in the red zone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Seriously. "Preparing to Face Josh Johnson"???

It's almost as if the Redskins were the Oakland Raiders or something. Sure, they both have an incompetent owner, a laughingstock front office, a track record of dubious draft picks, and prima donna stars who won't practice or play. But as far as I can tell, the Raiders have never actually sued any of their fans, their stadium is close to their downtown core and public transportation, and there's a legitimate chance that their owner will have to sell the team within the next few years.

The Redskins are not the Raiders.

The Redskins are worse.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is actively undermining Portis, IMO. There is plenty of evidence to this.

As long as the coaches are working against players there will be no progress. Stompy said it too, yesterday.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Portis is a perfect model for the Skins problems...

he's old, beat up, overpayed, and definitely underworked.

He has no burst, no escapability, and no ability to change directions when he has to. And as soon as he gets hit, he's out like the fat kid in dodgeball.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:20 PM

100% in agreement with you.

Posted by: TheJury | October 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It should be noted that all Zorn can do is run left. There are no linemen who can run block in the NFL on the right. Which, as it turns out, was the same exact problem last year. And the year before.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17, peeps on here are calling out, portis, the ol, the D, the cb, the lbs, the dl, the wrs, zorn and JC.

He is part of the problem here. Mark Brunnel had some pretty stats, but he also did not win. QB is part of the problem with this team.

Biggest problem is this team is not a team. Stats can be made to say many things, but the only important stat is W/L stats. Nothing else matters.

This "team" needs to win. Period. Nothing else matters.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

PAsf17 - Do you even get the games? Cuz if you saw what I saw, you'd be saying what I man....

If you can't score, it don't matter...

Scoring is what drives the game. If we scored just 1 TD more, we'd won a WHOLE lot more games....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

No RB in the league is going anywhere when the D knows exactly whats coming.

Sorry, you're just wrong.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Adrian Peterson would disagree. I have seen several RBs see the hole they were supposed to go through close up and adjust to make something of the busted play.

Portis just runs into the pile and walks away looking disgusted.

I love Portis, but I think he needs a break. He was the face of the franchise for a long time and probably still is. But he just seems off, there is no spark in him that can be seen.

We need BMitch to call him out again and get some juices flowing. I hope that he can come back and be productive again.

He just seems sad lately

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

pdid, they ran 4 plays to the right against detroit, and gained something like 30 plus yards....I just think they need to be more consistent with it.....

I want MK, and DT to get their first receiving TD's this weekend....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

G'day fellow fans of the greatest team in the history of the world! The posts alluding to Portis being part of the problem are correct. Portis is not our answer at running back, he's just not. It's nothing personal, but running backs get banged up quicker than other positions...and CP has been doing this for a number of years. The truth is, is that he has lost a step or two. Bottom line, there are ALOT of changes that need to be made with our team, from the top on down. I am a fan now, then, and forever...NO other team is fit to even carry our jocks!! HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!!!

Posted by: httr20081 | October 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Then why did Zorn say their OL was fine in the offseason. He is either a moron or has no balls to stand up to Snyderatto and tell them what he needs to succeed. Someone put it up here, they only ran 4 times to the right how do they know they can't if they don't try. Get Dockery to pull right, do some misdirection. Something, anything but the same old worthless plays with the same results.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

When you're in man coverage it's always an issue when you have a mobile quarterback," he said "You better get him on the ground because everybody is running with their backs turned. Last week, we had third and 13, we had a man to man. The quarterback saw it, had an open field, and pulled it down to run with it. If you don't make the play at the line of scrimmage you're going to have a big play.

This is why they should tell Campbell to pull the ball down and run a little more often…..teams are not real scared of his arm at this point.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

portis was the only bright sppot but we over used him and in my opinion is borderline useless. Campbell is the only one that is moving the team offensively

Posted by: mudman220 | October 2, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Rookie QB = Blitz
Put 8,9 guys up stop the run
Blitz him when he tries to throw
Not rocket science when a rookie QB involved

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 2, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

this is pathetic. "Preparing for JOSH JOHNSON?" Please.

Posted by: brian58 | October 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse
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Haha, what? So...they shouldn't prepare to face the opposing quarterback? No wonder they've been playing poorly...all that preparing to face the other team stuff apparently isn't necessary.

Posted by: -swb | October 2, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Heard a stat on the radio that caught me off guard.
Check out the Red Zone stats for the Patriots. Seems like we are not the only team having trouble down there.
Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:14 PM
I’ve been watching them closely, as I have Brady as my FF QB…..he has really not regained his touch yet. In the pre-season against the skins he looked like he had it all back, but in the reg season thus far he is simply not hitting on the accurate throws we are used to seeing from him. He is just flat out throwing 7-10 bad balls per game to guys that are wide open. And not just in the red zone…..of course the pats are 2-1 despite their “troubles”…

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 2, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

This is gonna be another nail biting, down to the wire game. Flip a coin to see who will win. 13-12 final.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 2, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The same people that are sticking to Portis were probably the same ones bashing Gibbs for sticking to Brunell.

Its as obvious with Portis as it was with Brunell...the sex is over, now we are just cuddling. Thats not going to get it done.

Loyalty is hugely important, but so are the playoffs. Get Portis healthy and productive or get him gone.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

lszovati - The stats lie when it comes to Campbell.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

No, they don't. We are moving the ball. In fact we are 7th in yards per drive. Red zone play calling is what's killing his TD numbers. He is playing really good football right now. You guys blame him for us not scoring when all Zorn does is run left in the red zone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

4th,
Ignore this guy. He's got his head so far up Campbell's butt he can see Zorn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17, peeps on here are calling out, portis, the ol, the D, the cb, the lbs, the dl, the wrs, zorn and JC.

He is part of the problem here. Mark Brunnel had some pretty stats, but he also did not win. QB is part of the problem with this team.

Biggest problem is this team is not a team. Stats can be made to say many things, but the only important stat is W/L stats. Nothing else matters.

This "team" needs to win. Period. Nothing else matters.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Stats can be used to get a good idea of what the biggest problem is. If you analyze the stats and watch the games you see 2 major problems.

1. We can't stop teams on third down. This is the biggeest problem by far. Our offense is only getting the ball 9 times a game. Compare that with the Jets getting the ball about 13 times a game. Do you think we would score more points with 4 more possesions a game? I certianly do. This is the defenses fault not Campbell's.

2. The red zone play calling is horrible. If you just look at the score then you have no idea that we only passed the ball 4 times in the redzone against the Rams. 1 of those passes was by Portis. So how is this Campbell's fault? This is Jim Zorn's fault.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo gave the pats there first win. They shoould have the same records as us.

But like my ma said

"If ifs and buts were cherries and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

lszovati - The stats lie when it comes to Campbell.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

No, they don't. We are moving the ball. In fact we are 7th in yards per drive. Red zone play calling is what's killing his TD numbers. He is playing really good football right now. You guys blame him for us not scoring when all Zorn does is run left in the red zone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

I like Campbell but I'll admit his stats exceed his performance. On the other hand, I'm not buying that a guy who is rated in the 10 passing the ball is a major problem. Especially since he also is 3rd among QBs in running the ball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

4th,
Ignore this guy. He's got his head so far up Campbell's butt he can see Zorn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 2, 2009 3:40 PM

Dude, why are you blaming Campbell for the problems? He is the only bright spot on offense. I not a big fan of him but start looking at other people who haven't done their jobs. If our defense backs are our major problem. Seems like every QB is completing a pass against us. They are playing 10 yards off the line. Blame them before Campbell.

Posted by: TheJury | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is actively undermining Portis, IMO. There is plenty of evidence to this.

As long as the coaches are working against players there will be no progress. Stompy said it too, yesterday.

Posted by: DikShuttle

For example...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, this is the bent you're taking? Whateves.

As I've been saying SINCE PRESEASON, this is an active attempt by the HC to run Portis out of town. CPo has no choice but to take the hits and not mouth off. This is payback from last year.

If you guys want to put up pics of the magical holes he was supposed to run through (a la the Soup pics from X-Ream-Skinz), then maybe I'll change my tune, but I have not seen it.

I'll agree with some (only some) conditioning comments - but that again lies on the coaches. And starting the season with a demotion (seriously?! Really?! Betts, Mason & Aldridge??!! At least Soup doesn't have Cutler or Sanchez on the same squad... and those guys actually ARE better...) is no way to reward your star player... a real O Line is

...and you KNOW my opinion on THAT... yep, Zoron. Never shoulda smelled that sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

4th,
Ignore this guy. He's got his head so far up Campbell's butt he can see Zorn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

No, I just put blame where it belongs. You just want to fire the coach and cut the quarterback everytime we start to lose. You know, since that worked out so well for us the last 17 years in a row. Maybe we should try actually fixing the problems instead of just getting a new QB and hiring a new coach every 2 years. It's attitudes like yours that gets us stuck in mediocrity. Let me guess, draft Sam Bradford and hire Bill Cowher. That'll fix it. That'll fix it real good!!!

Richie Petitbon
Norv Turner
Terry Robiskie
Marty Schottenheimer
Steve Spurrier
Joe Gibbs 2.0
Jim Zorn

Rich Gannon
Cary Conklin
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Sage Rosenfels
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell.


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

How do we continue to favored by a TD against winless teams? We were 6 1/2 point favs vs Detroit and were 7 point favs this week? I don't get it?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

And when there's two minutes left in the 4th and Josh is kneeling to seal the Buc's win, Kanye West will come out in the middle of Fedex Field and say: "yo Ima let you finish but the loss last week was the worst of all time."

Posted by: pgugino | October 2, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

It should be noted that all Zorn can do is run left. There are no linemen who can run block in the NFL on the right.

At some point ... hopefully soon ... BMW will have enough reps to see if he can play at an NFL level again. That plus inserting Rhino, and perhaps Montgomery at center could be the catalyst for an overnight turnaround and a rebirth of this offense. Its really the only hope at this point.

Now you have a pertty young Raven's-like line that could start scoring 34 points a game. Chris Samuels would be the oldest lineman but one that is far and away better than Matt Birks of the Ravens.

Posted by: periculum | October 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is actively undermining Portis, IMO. There is plenty of evidence to this.

As long as the coaches are working against players there will be no progress. Stompy said it too, yesterday.

Posted by: DikShuttle

For example...

Posted by: CheyenneWY

I guess you could see it as undermining that Zorn isn't issuing fawning praise a la Joe Gibbs. St. Joe would have said, "He's fighting his guts out there. He's super-smart on pass protection. Just a courageous effort. I wouldn't want any other running back in the league on my team."

I've been in the tank for CP26 for years, but if he's not productive, you gotta sit the man. If he's hurt, doesn't practice and doesn't produce in games, what else does owe the guy? His pockets already be straight.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 |

The offense cannot stay on the field nor can they score points. Teams are stacking the box to stop the run and JC is not making them pay. He can't read the D before the snap, continues to lock on to receivers, never, EVER, pump fakes to draw safeties away from the wr he wants to throw to and has no pocket presence.

JC is definitely part of the problem. Period. Deny all you want, but it's true.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

ds, help me understand where you're coming from with this, because you're not making sense:

"As I've been saying SINCE PRESEASON, this is an active attempt by the HC to run Portis out of town. CPo has no choice but to take the hits and not mouth off. This is payback from last year"

what did Zorn do?? How is zorn trying to run him out of town? Was it these quotes:


He's paid attention, and he's trying to get it right," Zorn said of Portis. "I mean, he's as frustrated as anybody. I'm putting words in his mouth, but I don't mean to.

"I'll just tell you that he's had a good attitude out here, and he's really tried to work in the training room all week to get up to speed again. And it is getting better."

He loves to play and he gets himself ready to play. I want to play him. Period. That's what I'm going to do. But I also want to be smart in how we deal with him."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Relax, Redskins will win big.
by 30 or more.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

jmy999 - Have you watched this team play? If we win by 30+ I'll print this post and eat it.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | October 2, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Time to prove the Portis doubters wrong ...

He is the only known commodity on offense. Everyone's playing 8 in the box ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 2:53 PM

As a result of this comment, and based on his performance in Detroit, plus the end result achieved by Chad Ochocinco, Santana Moss is changing his name to Santana Choppedliver.

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I blame myself.

I will volunteer to go under the bus for RI.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"And starting the season with a demotion "

you're out of your mind...this is straight crazy talk....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I like Campbell but I'll admit his stats exceed his performance. On the other hand, I'm not buying that a guy who is rated in the 10 passing the ball is a major problem. Especially since he also is 3rd among QBs in running the ball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you. The thing is you are supposed to get what you give. Campbell isn't that great. He isn't supposed to be though. He was projected as a mid 2nd rounder. He was projected to be a mediocre starting quarterback. We knew that when we drafted him. We dumped all of our money and draft picks into the defense. The defense should be dominant. Our defense is top 5 talent but it's performing at bottom half levels. That's the biggest issue with this team. We are not getting what we paid for. Now we are blaming our quarterback for not being Peyton Manning. It's stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Sween - Santana can thank Portis wit the defenders worrying about him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

peri -- Our OL is young. Samuels and Rabach both turned 32 recently, which is up there but not ancient by OL standards.

The rest of the OL is Heyer, Rinehart and Dockery -- is pretty young.

Of course, 'young and talented' is different than 'young'. Its the 'talented' part that is the issue.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Santana Choppedliver

The 'skins are chopped liver with a side of small potatoes.

Wake me up next off-season.

And congrats beans, you've joined 4th on the "DMV Most Wanted/Hated" list. I will make a trip up to 'Bahstin' and fling 'chowdah' all over your friggin house buddy.

Mixed with chopped scrapple.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"The thing is you are supposed to get what you give. Campbell isn't that great. He isn't supposed to be though. He was projected as a mid 2nd rounder. He was projected to be a mediocre starting quarterback. We knew that when we drafted him."

--------------------

He is still a mediocre QB and you want to keep him? His first year (although not a complete year) he was awful. Saying he is improving every year based on his "numbers" is IMO not saying much because he had nowhere else to go. He is not playing lights out football. He is playing Mark Brunnel football.

Not good enough.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

We need a power back to break up that D-line like a high school kegger.

It will be intersting to see if Zorn sits Portis. I would be welling to bet that with Portis out, the running improves, opens up the passing game, and the Skins win by at least 20

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

We need a power back to break up that D-line like a high school kegger.

It will be intersting to see if Zorn sits Portis. I would be welling to bet that with Portis out, the running improves, opens up the passing game, and the Skins win by at least 20

If I am wrong NYSkinsfan will print this post and eat it. (Now thats being thrown under the bus)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Leftwich got benched b/c he was supposed to be the play action "game manager" in a rush first offense. Didn't quite work out that way, so at 0-3, the team has decided its a "rebuilding year" and starting the QB they just drafted. Pre-draft reports about the former UC-San Diego QB discusses his outstanding athleticism and how "raw" a talent he is. Good thing its his first game as a starter (worked out so well for us last time we played with Buccs in Gradkowski's first game as a starter ... not). Healthy Cadillac and the Skins run defense. Its going to be tough to get the Skins D off the field. Secondary has to play the run (and man on receivers).

I'm sure the Sports Junkies' completely original idea of handing out 10,000 paper bags with eye holes will help sustain team morale. Just b/c I haven't btiched about it on this thread, I'm going to repeat that I'm currently holding Skins "fans" in lower esteem than I hold real estate agents and insurance companies. [Though I'll still take Skins "fans" over The Owner.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Campbell to the Raiders???

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The recent "Vehicular F" episode of "Curb Your E" is LMAO funny. Especially the scene where Sharon Lawrence, Sipowicz's old flame, adminsters a Larry beatdown because he told her he saw her giving her husband a blow job.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | October 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

As someone's whose pretty much only option to watch the 'Skins is either to trek up to Jerry Jones Stadium or watch from my coach, I understand the whole booing thing from two weeks ago, but it's a little too early to get all into the "Aint's" mode with the bags and stuff. That's just the Sports Junkies trying to jump on a bandwagon. If this team still looks as bad in 8 games, you have a different situation, but we've been a .500 team (or close) for the past 10 years, not a .333 team.

Bags ain't necessary yet.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is hearing rumors of a possible swap of quarterbacks, with an possible trade of qb's, with Jason Campbell and a First round pick in 2010 going to the Oakland Raiders, in exchange for Jamarcus Russell. Holding up the trade at this point is Campbell getting a new contract from the Raiders"

Are you friggin kidding me.....!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

You know something we don't, Cheyenne?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

He is still a mediocre QB and you want to keep him? His first year (although not a complete year) he was awful. Saying he is improving every year based on his "numbers" is IMO not saying much because he had nowhere else to go. He is not playing lights out football. He is playing Mark Brunnel football.

Not good enough.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just get Peyton Manning then? Let's get Tom Brady too. Screw it, let's get a couple of unicorns and magic fairies while were at it. There's no such thing as a salary cap or limited number of draft picks in your crazy world. The truth is that we invested a late first round draft pick into a mid second rounder projected to be a mediocre QB and now we're mad that he's a mediocre QB. We put 4 out of 5 of our first round picks and a quarter billion dollars in free agency into our defense but it's cool if it's mediocre. Let's get mad at the offense we largly neglected for the last 5 years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I blame myself.

I will volunteer to go under the bus for RI.....


Posted by: 4thFloor | October 2, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

You're hedging your bets. Everyone knows that the RI bus is the short one and the safest place to be is right in front of it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Nope,

I was thinking if there was a team that would value JC17 as a starter and that was the first name that came to mind

Beantown,

Im not falling for it this week buddy

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

not sure what you're talking about.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just get Peyton Manning then? Let's get Tom Brady too. Screw it, let's get a couple of unicorns and magic fairies while were at it. There's no such thing as a salary cap or limited number of draft picks in your crazy world. The truth is that we invested a late first round draft pick into a mid second rounder projected to be a mediocre QB and now we're mad that he's a mediocre QB. We put 4 out of 5 of our first round picks and a quarter billion dollars in free agency into our defense but it's cool if it's mediocre. Let's get mad at the offense we largly neglected for the last 5 years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

That's what you got? How the D is playing is no excuse for poor QB play. Or poor play by the offense. The offense needs to be able to score. This offense cannot. Blame Zorn, JC, CP, WRs or the OL. The offense is NOT holding up their end of this.

Can the D play better? yes. Should they play better? yes. But that does not excuse the poor play by the offense. And who leads the offense? the QB. And JC right now to me is a taller right handed version of Mark Brunnel. Not a good QB.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Would someone tell fat Al that HE can stop lying down for the bus now?

Posted by: pgugino | October 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

link, please...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Here are the top 10 running backs of 2008.

Adrian Peterson, 363 1760
Michael Turner, 376 1699
DeAngelo Williams, 273 1515
Clinton Portis, 342 1487
Thomas Jones, 290 1312
Steve Slaton, 268 1282
Matt Forte, 316 1238
Chris Johnson, 251 1228
Ryan Grant, 312 1203
LaDainian Tomlinson, 292 1110

DeAngelo Williams - had 69 less carries then Portis but had but had 28 more yards.

Portis - had 52 more carries then Thomas Jones but only had 30 more yards.

Portis longest run was 31 yards. Lowest of the top 10. Next was Tomlinson with 45.

All this tells me is Portis needs a lot more carries to get his yards. He is not hitting the holes. He looks like a very old 28 year old.

Posted by: TheJury | October 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

curz, I'm not that technically proficient....i wish I could....I'm pissed about this trade....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Between Campbell and Betts that is going to make it hard on the offense.

No way this deal goes down.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

greg, here are the latest headlines and I can't find it....

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Portis misses practice all week

Last Updated 4:31 PM, October 2, 2009 ET

* Polamalu ruled out, Tomlinson probable for Sunday night
* Bills lose another starting tackle
* Jets down two corners for Saints
* Texans' Hill contracts swine flu
* Smith not quite on same page as Schwartz
* Hixon out, Bradshaw probable for Giants
* Packers legends have issues with Favre in Minny
* Brandon Jacobs has unwavering belief in Brandon Jacobs
* Parker unlikely to play Sunday night
* Is Vinny Cerrato's problem really public relations?

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

thats really weird curz....where do you think it went??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Bad teams worried about what the opponents can do to them. Great teams dictate their will to the opponent. Every week, the skins seem to be worried about what their opponents will do. They should acknowledge the skills of the opponent but they need to start playing with a confidence that all that matters is what the skins have to do to WIN the game. Stop thinking and playing "not to lose".

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I saw it but i can get it to link

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

* Bills lose another starting tackle
* Jets down two corners for Saints

Couple things based on these headlines:

1. Send them Mike Williams for a 2nd round pick

2. Brees is gonna throw for 4hundy on Sunday

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

checking the raiders site now greg. will get back to you...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Sports Junkies' completely original idea of handing out 10,000 paper bags with eye holes will help sustain team morale. Just b/c I haven't btiched about it on this thread, I'm going to repeat that I'm currently holding Skins "fans" in lower esteem than I hold real estate agents and insurance companies. [Though I'll still take Skins "fans" over The Owner.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse


Yeah that sounds like a couple of guys who are really rooting for this team.and any fan that does something so stupid should get harrased by the other fans...


And Beantowngreg1,many man on his blog that can spell technically proficient can surely enable a link,so we ain't buying it..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

That's what you got? How the D is playing is no excuse for poor QB play. Or poor play by the offense. The offense needs to be able to score. This offense cannot. Blame Zorn, JC, CP, WRs or the OL. The offense is NOT holding up their end of this.

Can the D play better? yes. Should they play better? yes. But that does not excuse the poor play by the offense. And who leads the offense? the QB. And JC right now to me is a taller right handed version of Mark Brunnel. Not a good QB.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What, we blew all our money on the defense. That is a perfect reason for poor offensive play. That's how we built our team. We built it defense first. Our defense is supposed to give us oppurtunities and good field position to make up for the crappy offense. Right now we only get the ball 9 times a game. We should be getting it 13 times a game. How pitiful is it that our offense is ranked higher than our defense? We get plenty of yards on offense. Then when we get to the red zone zorn decides to run left every play and we don't score. Somehow you blame that on JC too. Our defense is ranked 15th right now and it should be top 5. Who is it again that's not holding up their end of the stick?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Preparing to Face Josh Johnson"

Positive thinking from the double enterdre-o-rama.

From urbandictionary.com:

"Face"

Interjection commonly used after a person has been insulted, disgraced, or humiliated. Derived from the phrase "in your face."

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

agree 100% pennstate1.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

He has no burst, no escapability, and no ability to change directions when he has to. And as soon as he gets hit, he's out like the fat kid in dodgeball.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

you're expecting all of that from a guy who's hit or dodging tacklers in the backfield. don't let AP and Chris Johnson get you fooled. 60yd td runs aren't happening every week in the nfl and if so it's the same 2or 3 guys (Sproles,Johnson,Peterson). all of them have better offensive lines. portis has to be able to get into the open field, and that is a function of o-line blocking no matter how much moves and burst you have. why do you think we haven't seen any big runs from "All The Way" Alridge in preseason or any of the other backs during the season.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

No worries about Portis. Just put him on the bench for my FF team - which of course means that he will have a career day.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"Face"

1. Interjection commonly used after a person has been insulted, disgraced, or humiliated. Derived from the phrase "in your face."

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse


2. etrod's least favorite member of the A-Team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17

Does not matter how many times the D get's the offense the ball, the offense is not going to score.

If this offense can't beat the Lions with nine offensive possessions, then that is on the offense. The D has carried the O for too many years. Time for the O to pull their own weight.

Paint it any way you want to, the offense sucks and JC is part of the reason why.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Bucs have given up 91 points in 3 games, so that's right at 30 per game.

What are the odds the Redskins could keep that average going?

I'd estimate it at just about 100-1.

But hey, that's just me being totally cynical.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH from Mike Florio at pft ...

"The Redskins have a complicated relationship with the local media ..."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/02/is-vinny-cerratos-problem-really-public-relations/#comments

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Does not matter how many times the D get's the offense the ball, the offense is not going to score.

If this offense can't beat the Lions with nine offensive possessions, then that is on the offense. The D has carried the O for too many years. Time for the O to pull their own weight.

Paint it any way you want to, the offense sucks and JC is part of the reason why.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

You will never understand return on investment so I will stop wasting my time explaining it to you. Keep blaming JC and when he's gone you can blame the next poor sap. I've been watching the blame game for 17 years. It's getting old.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

While I'm at it, wtf is going on with the Redskins D if they're burned by one rookie last week and are worried about getting burned by another rookie this week.
I think I'm gonna barf.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

You will never understand return on investment so I will stop wasting my time explaining it to you. Keep blaming JC and when he's gone you can blame the next poor sap. I've been watching the blame game for 17 years. It's getting old.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 |

Return on investment. So we have given JC three years and we only given AH three games. Your explanation is wrong, so it's better that you stop now.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

on Campbell to the Raiders ... it wouldn't shock me if that's where he wound up.

Beantown's faux rumor aside, Russell is a failure (no, he won't be coming here in trade). If the Skins struggle as many are now predicting, Campbell can be gotten for a reasonable price.

Davis would overpay us in draft picks and underpay the QB in salary. Russell is incredibly inaccurate, Campbell is completing 2/3 of his passes. The Raiders have fast WRs, Davis loves the deep throw and Campbell has a very strong arm.

Plus, Davis is delusional, and its wise to trade with the delusional.

So would I be surprised to see Campbell as a Raider. Nope. Though I think FA after this year is much more likely than via trade.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is hearing rumors of a possible swap of quarterbacks, with an possible trade of qb's, with Jason Campbell and a First round pick in 2010 going to the Oakland Raiders, in exchange for Jamarcus Russell. Holding up the trade at this point is Campbell getting a new contract from the Raiders"
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This would be a new low for Danny and Vinny. Really.

Contrary to what many posters think, the problem isn't just the qb, he's the scapegoat.

The problem is the offense as a whole. Poor running game. Bad play calling. Receivers dropping sure touchdowns. Horrible run blocking. Silly mistakes.

Its easy to blame one guy, but c'mon, football is a team game. And contrary to Dan Snyder's vision, continuity breeds success.

The whole is the sum of its parts.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Let me just say that I attempted the "short stack" of two pumpkin pancakes AKA man-cakes at that nearby café and couldn't finish them. I got maybe one and a third pancake consumed, then I had to throw in the towel. Not a towel, really, but a paper napkin.

As I staggered back to the office, my belly bloated, I tried to think up a metaphor for the Redskins involving those pancakes. Something about, say, enjoying something delicious, but getting so much of it I just had to stop... I didn't come up with anything along those lines that has to do with the Skins' season thus far.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 2, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

wow, Curzon is in a mood today. What's going on there? You try extorting money from Dave Letterman or something?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I didn't come up with anything along those lines that has to do with the Skins' season thus far.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 2, 2009 5:10 PM

Watching the Redskins this year is like eating a shortstack: you want to throw in the paper napkin when you're only 2/3 of the way into it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

All this tells me is Portis needs a lot more carries to get his yards. He is not hitting the holes. He looks like a very old 28 year old.

Posted by: TheJury
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An RB assessment completely ignoring O-line capability (not to mention TE and WR blocking)? Hmm. I think the algorithm for this evaluation may have more variables than only the RB.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

What kind of value would JC17 command from a team like the Raiders? Any chance at a 1st rounder?

And if he is traded does, that begin the Colt Brennan era with dependable Collins as the back up?

All the theory aside, I still want Campbell to succeed and be a Skin for a long time

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

beepers creepers

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Our Defense better start making plays. I don't care what QB we're up against if you don't pressure the QB he will pick you apart all day long. D-Line step up, Blache - dial up some blitzes, everyone - learn ow to tackle. Nothing will change if our D can't get off the field and teams like the Lions can eat up entire quarters driving 99 yards for a score. How is our O supposed to get in a rythm if they are never on the field? How are we supposed to establish an identity if we are always having to score just to tie the game? Defense please show up and earn your paycheck.

Posted by: ljhartnett24 | October 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I think they should bring back Joe Gibbs so he can sleep in the office all week and prepare for this kid Johnson, man. He scares me. Running and throwing and whatnot. He'll have a new line of sneakers after this game.

Posted by: josettes | October 3, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

All talk of these details is a waste of time: until Snyder either sells the team or adopts a completely different attitude toward running it, there is no hope for the Redskins and fans like us.

Posted by: AWeiss3 | October 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

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